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| CosmoHill | how long is a PHD? | 01:23 |
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| berndhs | 60-600 pages, depends | 01:24 |
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| CosmoHill | I was thinking more like time | 01:24 |
| berndhs | 2-5 years after MSc usually | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | I went to the post graduation open day and he suggested that I did a PHD instead of a Masters | 01:24 |
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| CosmoHill | lets say I do 3 years for a PHD, that would triple my current student dept | 01:25 |
| berndhs | oh at least | 01:26 |
| berndhs | and you'll easily recoupe the investment by the time your 73 | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | it;s £3700 for next year, £9000 for the two following | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes - but you may not end up paying it back | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | a PHD would have to come out of my savings and I only have enough for the first year | 01:27 |
| berndhs | financially the fees and cost of living arent the major impact, it's the loss of income | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | well I have no job anyway and I live at home | 01:28 |
| berndhs | and you really have to count the loss of income at the tail end of the carreer | 01:28 |
| berndhs | so don't do it because of money :) | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | tbh I thought I'd just go down and see what masters they had and he suggested a PHD which kinda supriced me | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it cancels after 20 years | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | kinda like the idea of meeting pricks from high school and going "I'm a doctor and you live in a council flat" | 01:29 |
| Elleo | CosmoHill: a lot of UK universities aren't applying the same fee increases on postgrad causes as on undergrad ones | 01:30 |
| Elleo | also talk to people within whichever university you're interested in | 01:30 |
| Elleo | as there may be funding available | 01:30 |
| Elleo | e.g. as part of a wider project, or through an EPSRC grant | 01:30 |
| Elleo | s/causes/courses/ | 01:30 |
| berndhs | most PhD students get funding | 01:31 |
| Elleo | if you don't have funding then just about the only way to do one is part time | 01:31 |
| Elleo | or be super rich | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | (you can go straight to a PhD without a masters in the UK) | 01:31 |
| berndhs | right, and part time hardly ever works | 01:31 |
| berndhs | then you get married, have kids, and work and part time PhD,... | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | let's say I skip 1 and 2 | 01:33 |
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| berndhs | at my school the drop out rate was 75% for PhDs | 01:34 |
| berndhs | so I know I graduated in the top 1/4 :) | 01:34 |
| Elleo | hardly anyone drops out here, but the intake is pretty low | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | oo, btw, I hope to find out my degree classification on wednesday | 01:34 |
| Elleo | so everyone gets lots of time with supervisors/etc. | 01:34 |
| Elleo | rather than being lost in the crowd | 01:35 |
| berndhs | probably depends on the economy too, in good economic times/locations, drop out rate is higher | 01:35 |
| berndhs | but then, being dirt poor during the height of your physical health builds character :) | 01:36 |
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| berndhs | something isnt right, CPU usage 8% and load average is 5 | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | you should have bought a mac | 01:49 |
| berndhs | yeah it would be so pretty, i wouldnt care | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | the trick is not to put it on anything flammable when using flash | 01:50 |
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| berndhs | cpu temp only goes to 85C, flammable isnt an issue | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | I iron my bed with my powerbook | 01:52 |
| berndhs | this is a desktop, ironing with that is awkward | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | I threw a desktop on my bed once | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | it bounced... | 01:53 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:37 |
| berndhs | moin | 03:40 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 03:52 |
| berndhs | night Cosmo | 03:52 |
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| lcuk | alterego, is there a multiselect photo dialog in qt? | 13:25 |
| alterego | Nope | 13:25 |
| alterego | Like an Icon view? | 13:25 |
| lcuk | yeah, like the liqbase postcard select | 13:26 |
| alterego | I think there must be a QGridVidew | 13:26 |
| alterego | QGridView .. | 13:26 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100703_202453.liqpostcard_choose.scr.png | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | like that ^ | 13:27 |
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| * lcuk looking at qt application ideas | 13:28 | |
| alterego | lcuk: what you'd do is find a view class which does a grid view. | 13:31 |
| alterego | Then you'd create a thumbnail delegate | 13:31 |
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| alterego | and supply a thumbnail model to the view. | 13:31 |
| alterego | And it'd just work :) | 13:31 |
| alterego | This is quite easily doable in QML btw | 13:31 |
| lcuk | it is also quite complicated, I do not mind the technology but I think I will just use the standard system dialog | 13:33 |
| lcuk | it will be simpler :) | 13:33 |
| alterego | Neah, not complicated. | 13:34 |
| alterego | Oh, you want a dialog, what are you targetting? | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | alterego, nokia devices, n900 n8 n9 etc | 13:36 |
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| MSvB | Seems that in the latest MeeGo 1.2 repos there's no geography software. | 14:43 |
| MSvB | Neither marble nor a replacement is packaged and provided. | 14:44 |
| MSvB | I wonder how well Google Earth works on Atom, if it installs cleanly on MeeGo. | 14:45 |
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| javispedro | do you know if there's some blog post around that explains the differences between all the multitouch input protocols? | 15:47 |
| javispedro | I'm reading the kernel docs and they sait not to use the tracking id as a "slot" mechanism, which is exactly the way the Harmattan Qt treats it. | 15:48 |
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| thiago | harmattan uses an old kernel | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | we are working on a newer one for meego ce port though | 15:57 |
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| javispedro | can I safely assume that any such platform will also have XInput 2.1? | 15:58 |
| javispedro | *newer platform | 15:58 |
| thiago | no | 15:58 |
| thiago | it's not out yet | 15:58 |
| thiago | we'll switch to Wayland before | 15:58 |
| javispedro | hm. | 15:59 |
| thiago | XInput 2.1 is dead-on-arrival for me. It was supposed to be released with the January release of X.org to be relevant. | 15:59 |
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| javispedro | hm.. will start with the harmattan way for the time being. | 16:00 |
| javispedro | ta! | 16:01 |
| thiago | you're welcome | 16:01 |
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| CosmoHill | FYI, 10% off memory cards at play.com, cheaper cards to put MeeGo on :) | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | So, given that XInput2 has not "arrived on time", what is the alternative? | 16:23 |
| thiago | hacks | 16:23 |
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| thiago | harmattan uses a hacked XInput2.0, which is what we have in MeeGo 1.2 | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | So, is it bad? | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Given that it is still XInput2? | 16:24 |
| thiago | it works, it's what we could do in time | 16:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: from what I understand, XInput2.0 mostly just maps what the kernel outputs, and there are up to three kernel protocols (harmattan, official type a, official type b) | 16:26 |
| javispedro | while XInput2.1 tries to do a bit more work (it has beingtouch events, etc) | 16:26 |
| javispedro | *begintouch | 16:26 |
| thiago | XInput 2.0 was created for Multi-Pointer X | 16:26 |
| thiago | which didn't get much of an adoption. It doesn't support multiple touch points for the same pointer. | 16:27 |
| javispedro | I'd bet they wanted each touch to be a different pointer. | 16:29 |
| javispedro | but this was horribly hard frm the toolkit PoV | 16:29 |
| thiago | they wanted multiple mice and multiple keyboard | 16:29 |
| thiago | with multiple focus and active windows | 16:29 |
| * CosmoHill looks at the Blackberry 9105 | 16:31 | |
| javispedro | either way, the harmattan way doesn't look very bad. | 16:32 |
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| dyrvere | cool, pcie_aspm=force in the start commands do work. | 16:36 |
| dyrvere | §qaz | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | thiago, sounds complex | 16:45 |
| javispedro | hey lcuk | 16:50 |
| lcuk | hiya javispedro \o | 16:52 |
| javispedro | all right around? :) | 16:52 |
| javispedro | this reminds me I need to check all this xinput stuff on ideapad. | 16:53 |
| lcuk | javispedro, tiring! | 16:53 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I bet :) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the SDL stuff should be a nice and easy port | 16:55 |
| javispedro | well, I'm adding MT support to it. | 16:56 |
| lcuk | more complex then! | 16:56 |
| lcuk | how well do the apps seem to integrate? | 16:56 |
| javispedro | well, look good enough on sbox -- swipe works for example :) | 16:56 |
| lcuk | that is good | 16:57 |
| lcuk | when I have been sat down I have been looking around qt stuff | 16:57 |
| javispedro | can't wait to be able to do the booby test on a SDL app ;) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:57 |
| RST38h | with multitouch no doubt? | 17:01 |
| RST38h | and with tactile...feedback? | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | tactile feedback is planned =) | 17:05 |
| javispedro | but for now just different colors for each finger. | 17:05 |
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| npm | how many upgrades will the SSD's be able to do on the ExoPC within their 3hree year "lifespan" ? | 19:17 |
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| niala | hello.. I search tablet version, where is it? | 19:18 |
| niala | please | 19:18 |
| * npm begins to worry after upgrading yesterday, and then upgrading again today... hopes for kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.19 | 19:18 | |
| npm | niala: http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo | 19:18 |
| npm | is what i'm upgrading to | 19:18 |
| niala | thank you npm | 19:19 |
| npm | also http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/non-oss/MeeGo_1.2/MeeGo:1.2:non-oss.repo | 19:19 |
| npm | there's also a 1.2.0 with an update directory in the same hierarchy | 19:19 |
| npm | might be safer ? | 19:19 |
| npm | or may just more bugs :-) | 19:20 |
| npm | s/may/maybe | 19:20 |
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| npm | fyi -- upgrades go much faster if you init 3 ... something in the UX runs interrupts constantly | 19:21 |
| Elleo | niala: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview | 19:21 |
| niala | ok Elleo that's it thank you | 19:21 |
| npm | Elleo: that would give you a very sucky tablet UX | 19:22 |
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| npm | the one that needed to be upgraded from almost right away | 19:22 |
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| niala | what is mfld? mrst? | 19:23 |
| npm | because it suggests http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail | 19:23 |
| npm | different chips. you want "kernel adaptation pinetrail" on an typical atom | 19:23 |
| npm | ^^ niala | 19:24 |
| niala | in fact i have a netbook (atom) with touchscreen. I'va already install one version but I don't remember which version. | 19:24 |
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| npm | the pinetrail version gives you a later kernel with fewer bugs imho | 19:25 |
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| * npm misses gtkish goodness of meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.3-1.6.i586.rpm | 19:28 | |
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| hyde_ | hi, a question: does latest Meego play video files flawlessly? I mean, just creating the simplest possilbe QtMultimedia or Phonon-based video player, does it work properly, no playback problems? | 19:31 |
| thiago | depends on the video file and on the hardware | 19:32 |
| hyde_ | well, I guess I'll have to just install Meego on the device and try | 19:34 |
| npm | hyde_: http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/ works ok for most internet video, however sometimes it pauses, whereas with a wired connection it doesn't .... | 19:35 |
| niala | hyde_, by default (because of license) there is no mp3 divx and so | 19:35 |
| npm | see http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port | 19:35 |
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| npm | actually, i'd like to have somene try with a typical meego install and tell me how it fails due to missing codecs, etc. | 19:36 |
| niala | to have mp3 etc to work you must re-compil gstreamer et gstreamer-plugin | 19:40 |
| hyde_ | hmm, is there USB-bootable image suitable for all-in-one-type touch screen PC? | 19:41 |
| hyde_ | (also has USB ports so touch screen support irrelevant for testing) | 19:42 |
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| niala | hyde_, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 19:42 |
| berndhs | libzypp says it depends on Qt-3 | 19:43 |
| berndhs | 3 !! | 19:43 |
| niala | libzypp is a joker | 19:44 |
| npm | to have mp3/etc, you install from fedora :-) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem | 19:44 |
| berndhs | yea well, libzypp is needed for mic | 19:44 |
| berndhs | as in bug 19612 | 19:45 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19612 nor, Undecided, ---, jian-feng.ding, NEW, mic2 missing dependency python-zypp on fedora-15 repo | 19:45 |
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| npm | hyde_: per my experience porting qmltube, "the simplest possilbe QtMultimedia or Phonon-based video player" works properly if you use QGLWidget as wrapper... | 19:47 |
| npm | e.g. http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/main.cpp | 19:47 |
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| npm | ^^^ pls code-review this oh experts of qt-and-gl-ness | 19:48 |
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| hyde_ | npm, niala, thanks | 19:52 |
| hyde_ | just getting mic2, which I presume I need for using the .img file | 19:52 |
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| niala | to use .img file you only need 'dd' | 19:55 |
| hyde_ | ah | 19:56 |
| hyde_ | ha, found Intel android/robot figure USB stick, just perfect for testing Meego... plus I can rip out it's arms and legs one by one if it doesn't work ;-) | 19:57 |
| hyde_ | ...so, I'll be using mic2 to create my own .img, if I determine that Meego works for my purpose and want to create a custom image? | 19:58 |
| niala | hyde_, a tips like: dd if=/repertory/file.img of=/dev/usbxx | 20:00 |
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| niala | and then boot usb | 20:01 |
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| hyde_ | niala, yeah, I'm familiar with dd... :-). but a question: why did you link to 20110517, and not 20110607? | 20:04 |
| hyde_ | ie. is that later image known to be... less good, or just by random chance? | 20:04 |
| niala | euh... i don't know | 20:04 |
| niala | :) | 20:04 |
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| npm | and why not 0701... | 20:12 |
| npm | perhaps you prefer "vintage meego" ?? | 20:12 |
| berndhs | maybe he did it on 20110518 | 20:12 |
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| niala | hyde_, http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Versioning | 20:14 |
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| hyde_ | niala, cool. npm, there's no 0701, as far as I can find. | 20:19 |
| hyde_ | 0628 seems to be the newest | 20:19 |
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| hyde_ | ...also, just to make sure: the .imgs at repo.meego.com are something which boot to the OS from the USB stick, and not something which overwrite first hard disk to install a bootable image there? :-) | 20:22 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I was finally able to setup Scratchbox+QtCreator and run a simple Harmattan hello world :) | 20:22 |
| niala | hyde_, right | 20:23 |
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| hyde_ | (reading wiki), hmm, the mic2 wiki page shows how to create .usbimg image. Is that image different from the .img available for download, or same thing with different extension? | 20:25 |
| niala | same thing, .ks is to personnalise your image | 20:26 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: but I'm not able to run (but it compiles perfectly) your libre.fm client. I think the problem is that the compiled binary is copied in a different location then my test project... | 20:27 |
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| hyde_ | Andy80: is it dynamic library loading problem, plugin loading problem, qml loading problem, or something else? | 20:31 |
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| Andy80 | hyde_: QtCreator simply cannot find the executable inside Scratchbox. Anyway if I try to execute it from inside Scratchbox I have an error anyway: http://pastebin.com/85jNt1qD | 20:33 |
| Andy80 | hyde_: probably Elleo is using some particular configuration in QtCreator.... because creating a simple new project works. | 20:35 |
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| smoku | Where are the MeeGo Tablet UX packages in OBS? I would like to fork them, but I cannot find them. | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Trunk | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | or devel:ux | 20:38 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, Unable to find package 'meego-ux-appgrid' in project 'MeeGo:Trunk'. | 20:53 |
| Elleo | Andy80: I setup the run configuration to run ./src/librefm iirc | 20:54 |
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| Elleo | alternatively you can build it as a debian package and install it system wide with icon and such | 20:55 |
| smoku | found it in MeeGo.com Trunk | 20:55 |
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| smoku | why isn't it searchable in community OBS ui? | 20:55 |
| Elleo | although you may need to change the qml path in the source first | 20:55 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: using ./src/librefm works, thank you :) | 21:06 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: great :) | 21:13 |
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| Elleo | none of the new station stuff is done yet, so it's pretty much hardwired to just letting you listen to a few of my stations :P | 21:14 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: err.... just some coredump problems :P http://pastebin.com/2tvBpeQ7 | 21:15 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: but don't worry, it's growing well :) | 21:15 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: yeah, it doesn't yet deal with scenarios where it gets an empty list (where there isn't enough content, etc.) | 21:18 |
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| hyde_ | ok, it booted, now I just need to enable mouse pointer.. | 21:25 |
| hyde_ | any suggestions? | 21:25 |
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| hyde_ | quick googling showed it may not be as trivial as I thought, but maybe I just didn't find the right page | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: MeeGo.com: | 21:28 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: back from your vacation? | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: in .dk still but working from my dads for a little | 21:34 |
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| hyde_ | ...ok, continuing with stupid questions... how to restart X on Meego? (from command line as root, for instance) | 21:43 |
| thiago | hyde_: uxstart does that for you | 21:44 |
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| hyde_ | there's only uxlaunch (and uxterm, which probably has nothing to do with meego ux stuff...) | 21:45 |
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| hyde_ | ...which killed X, but hasn't yet restarted it | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | killall Xorg? | 21:47 |
| hyde_ | killall uxlaunch at least recovered situation | 21:48 |
| hyde_ | and I got my mouse cursor :-) | 21:48 |
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| hyde_ | next question: how do I get out of the browser? using mouse or keyboard, that is (tablet ux)... | 21:57 |
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| hyde_ | oh well, now it froze totally | 22:00 |
| hyde_ | (when opening browser options, after showing them) | 22:00 |
| hyde_ | ...the tablet ux is supposed to be basically usable, right? (I mean for the stuff it has software for, such as web browsing) | 22:03 |
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| hyde_ | hmm, one more thing. Is there a reason the image reseted system clock to some date in May? | 22:06 |
| hyde_ | ie. is it intentional, or bug-type "feature"? :-) | 22:06 |
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| Parslee | bug proble | 22:23 |
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| niala | hyde_, do you have a keyboard? | 22:26 |
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| hyde_ | niala: plugged both mouse and kb to standard usb hub | 23:03 |
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