| rzr | hi any amiga maniacs around ? | 00:00 |
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| bash` | Stskeeps|holiday: how from meego? | 00:00 |
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| bash` | Stskeeps|holiday: the wifi is already off | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | bash`: ah.. emmc install? | 00:00 |
| CosmoHill | Goodwood festival of speed | 00:00 |
| niala | rzr, yes but 20year ago lol | 00:00 |
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| bash` | Stskeeps|holiday: yes | 00:00 |
| rzr | niala: i am trying to package a bleeding edge version of uae :) | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | bash`: on a device without woking usb? | 00:01 |
| berndhs | does anyone know what's holding up mic2 on fedora? | 00:01 |
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| bash` | Stskeeps|holiday: no no usb is working | 00:01 |
| bash` | but I don't know why meego isn't charging anymore | 00:01 |
| bash` | it was charging, but I used the wifi a bit and then battery went low | 00:02 |
| niala | Stskeeps|holiday, me usb broken. You now if I can play with meego with no usbcable? | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | bash`: may just be a bug, but in those cases i would boot into maemo | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | niala: i would say dont | 00:02 |
| bash` | I guess I cannot flash maemo with a low battery :( | 00:02 |
| niala | sad :( | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | bash`: get a nokia charger, it can push 500mA in | 00:03 |
| bash` | niala: AFAIK you need either usbnet or mass storage to install meego on emmc | 00:03 |
| bash` | Stskeeps|holiday: yes, the problem is 11pm here :) | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | bash`: reboot meego, start device, let it boot a bit, insert charger | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | gtg again | 00:05 |
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| bash` | bye, thanks | 00:05 |
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| Myrtti | now that I'd finally have time to blog about the MeeGo conference, I can barely remember my own name | 00:28 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 00:28 |
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| alterego | Heh | 00:37 |
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| Myrtti | yeah, I'm not sure if it's funny tho | 00:38 |
| Myrtti | I guess it is | 00:38 |
| Myrtti | in it's own way | 00:38 |
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| alterego | :) | 00:40 |
| alterego | Look at all the pics again, maybe some of the videos sessions etc | 00:40 |
| alterego | Jot down some notes and I'm sure it'll all come flooding back | 00:40 |
| aslani | hmm.. I know this might be a long shot, but I received a N950 this wednesday and suddenly it "stopped working" | 00:42 |
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| aslani | I was changing sim card on the device and powered it down | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Worrying. | 00:43 |
| aslani | and it started looping the powering on vibration | 00:43 |
| aslani | and never booted the harmattan | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Pressing and holding the poweroff button for 8s should turn it off. | 00:43 |
| aslani | 8 seconds? I'll try it now | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Not got one - this is generic advice - what happens if you plug it into a linux box - can you flash it? | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | You should recharge it first before trying anything. | 00:44 |
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| aslani | hmm well, the battery ran out at some point, so when I recharge it, it just keeps on looping powering on vibration | 00:45 |
| aslani | heh | 00:45 |
| aslani | but let's try the 8 seconds first | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's actually got to the point where it's shutting down - that's unlikely to help. | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Worth a shot though. | 00:47 |
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| aslani | yeah, that what I thought as wll | 00:47 |
| aslani | well | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd next wonder if it'll flash. | 00:47 |
| aslani | I'll need to try that, but probably not :( | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | You just turned it off - swapped SIM - and it never came back? | 00:48 |
| aslani | yep | 00:48 |
| aslani | and you know | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you reached a bootlooping state then your only chance is to alien recharge or get a fresh battery | 00:48 |
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| aslani | thing is, that it kind of sucks because "no warranty" policy | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Charge battery, yes - but that's going to be awkward. | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Where'd you get it - Helsinki meetup? | 00:49 |
| Elleo | have you tried removing the SIM that you swapped in to it? | 00:49 |
| aslani | in there, yeah | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, wait, this is N950?! | 00:49 |
| aslani | I did | 00:49 |
| aslani | yep | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea about N950 | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | This is speculation, based on it being similar to the n900, which seems likely. | 00:49 |
| aslani | heh, no problem | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc there's a --charge command option on flasher for 950 | 00:50 |
| aslani | well, I was thinking of opening the backside and removing the battery | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aslani: yeah, take out the SIM, we witnessed cases where contacts on SIM made relevant parts of the cmt stack segfault | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | On OM? | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, on #maemo | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900 | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:52 |
| aslani | DocScrutinizer: thanks, It's removed already, but maybe I'll blow some air into sim slot? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that won't probably change anything | 00:53 |
| * SpeedEvil idly wonders on ESD. | 00:53 | |
| aslani | hms | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | check flasher, it has a charging function | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | bootlooping won't charge battery | 00:54 |
| aslani | thanks, I'll try that | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 00:54 |
| aslani | hmm... any links to the flasher? heh. | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, sorry. It's inside the image for n950 | 00:56 |
| aslani | yeah it is | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't find the link | 00:56 |
| aslani | well, no worries | 00:56 |
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| aslani | I'll probably try to boot it without battery and see what happens | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing will happen | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it will not boot | 00:57 |
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| aslani | agh | 00:58 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders offering a n950 repair service. | 00:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it needs a kickstart push from battery to startup the hw, even while charger hooked up | 00:58 |
| aslani | heh | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when battery is depleted too much, you can't boot it anymore afaik | 00:59 |
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| aslani | ok, well that's at least somewhat usefull information | 01:00 |
| aslani | I thought that my battery was about full when this happened, but you never know | 01:00 |
| pabs3 | is there any trick to get it to charge, like there was on the FR? | 01:00 |
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| aslani | update on the situation: I just plugged it in to my desktop and charge light turned on, but it did no bootloop | 01:07 |
| aslani | I'll leave it there for 5 hours and see if that makes any difference | 01:07 |
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| migue83 | :) | 01:09 |
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| bash` | aslani: I'm in the same situation :) | 01:20 |
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| bash` | nice to hear a desktop could "fix" it | 01:20 |
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| migue83 | sorry my english is bad , is first time i install meego | 01:22 |
| migue83 | how i can install virtualbox inside meego? | 01:22 |
| aslani | bash`: what did you do? | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | migue83: I'm pretty sure you can't | 01:22 |
| bash` | aslani: I've a n900 with meego in the eMMC | 01:22 |
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| aslani | right | 01:22 |
| migue83 | :( | 01:23 |
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| aslani | too bad, that n900 is a bit easier device to work on. | 01:23 |
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| bash` | aslani: do you know if something like this could charge it? http://www.amazon.com/IPAD-2USB-High-Power-Adapter-Compatible/dp/B001QVHO38 | 01:24 |
| aslani | let's see | 01:24 |
| migue83 | all perfect with meego only some software i need used with windows and i try know if i can install virtualbox or vmware | 01:24 |
| bash` | I don't want to buy a wall charger (I already have one, not here right now), tomorrow I'll buy something like that and see if that works | 01:25 |
| aslani | I'm not really sure if this really outputs more power via USB than my USB2 desktop machine? But I have seen similiar devices being used tho | 01:25 |
| aslani | yeah | 01:25 |
| aslani | I was just thinking about that | 01:25 |
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| TermanaDesire | morning | 02:41 |
| mlfoster | irc:///logicsbox.jf.intel.com:6665 | 02:42 |
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| aslani | another update to my situtation: flasher seems to be charging my N950 now, it did not work on my osX for some reason, but in win7 works fine | 03:25 |
| aslani | I'll let you know what happens when it's finished | 03:25 |
| jykae | use gnu/linux | 03:32 |
| aslani | well, I would but I got 0 native installations right now :) | 03:34 |
| aslani | only VMs | 03:34 |
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| aslani | Final update: flashing the device did work. It took a bit less than a hour | 04:02 |
| aslani | now I just need to reinput all of my settings etc... :( | 04:03 |
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| Elleo | my first harmattan app mostly works :) http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/librefm-meego.ogv | 04:05 |
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| MSM | Dada weatherman <3 | 04:06 |
| Elleo | :) | 04:06 |
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| amjad_ | teleca ppl here?? | 10:08 |
| tzorvas | is there any page with packages available for meego? | 10:11 |
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| dm8tbr | tzorvas: obs and cobs | 10:15 |
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| dm8tbr | https://build.meego.com/ https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 10:15 |
| tzorvas | dm8tbr: thanks :) | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | np | 10:17 |
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| tzorvas | hm... libreoffice is 31/35 broken :/ | 10:22 |
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| bash` | aslani: 'morning...then you charged it with the flasher?! | 10:39 |
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| dm8tbr | bash`: yes, flasher has an option to force charge the device to 10%, this is needed e.g. for flashing | 10:45 |
| bash` | dm8tbr: 2.5.2 has that too? | 10:46 |
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| dm8tbr | bash`afk: no idea, try and find out... | 11:12 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know anything about the meego rescue initrd? | 11:26 |
| jonwil | I am using it on a N900 | 11:26 |
| jonwil | and I cant type any of the symbols (i.e. the blue symbol button doesnt work) | 11:26 |
| jonwil | so no - or / | 11:26 |
| jonwil | which makes it hard to use :( | 11:27 |
| alterego | Are you holding it down? | 11:27 |
| jonwil | yes | 11:27 |
| alterego | holding blue key then pressing say 5 | 11:27 |
| jonwil | I am holding down the arrow key then pressing the F | 11:27 |
| alterego | Well, I doubt the keyboard is mapped proberly. | 11:28 |
| alterego | You could jus ti | 11:28 |
| jonwil | just what? | 11:28 |
| alterego | install meego cd on a micro sd? | 11:28 |
| alterego | ce .. | 11:28 |
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| jonwil | I am booting in the recovery console since my main flash filesystem wont boot | 11:28 |
| jonwil | if I can get characters to type, I can fix that problem | 11:28 |
| alterego | Sure, flash uboot and use meego ce to rescue | 11:29 |
| jonwil | how can I flash meegoce to a microsd without a working system? | 11:29 |
| alterego | You'll get fully working terminal and keyboard. | 11:29 |
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| alterego | jonwil: fair point | 11:29 |
| alterego | You don't have an adapter? | 11:29 |
| alterego | Orf | 11:29 |
| alterego | anyway to access the card outside of the N900 | 11:30 |
| jonwil | I have another phone that can read microsd as a mass storage device | 11:30 |
| jonwil | old motorola | 11:30 |
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| dm8tbr | you could write out the image to musd and then jumpstart the kernel from flasher | 11:30 |
| dm8tbr | or is it too big nowadays? | 11:30 |
| jonwil | well the first goal is to get a usable image onto my microsd | 11:31 |
| jonwil | using this motorola Z6 to do it | 11:31 |
| jonwil | Anyone who can tell me how to do that, please do | 11:32 |
| jonwil | ok, I can see the microsd as a mass storage device | 11:33 |
| jonwil | now how can I get a meego image onto it? | 11:33 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: you can plug in to uSD card into the N900, and use the usb mass storage from rescue initrd | 11:34 |
| alterego | jonwil: do you use linux? | 11:35 |
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| jonwil | yes | 11:35 |
| jonwil | I have a gentoo box | 11:35 |
| alterego | do you have meego ce image? | 11:35 |
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| jonwil | where do I get it from? | 11:36 |
| alterego | ang on | 11:36 |
| alterego | firstly make sure you know the device node for the microsd | 11:36 |
| jonwil | ok so I can see nokia N900 with usb storage | 11:37 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted#Download_image | 11:37 |
| alterego | Don't want you blitzing your phone | 11:37 |
| alterego | he wants the summer release idealy | 11:37 |
| jonwil | so I want which files? | 11:38 |
| jonwil | the mmcblk0p one? | 11:38 |
| alterego | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/archive/1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 11:38 |
| jonwil | and the vmlinuz I assume | 11:38 |
| alterego | No you don't need that kernel | 11:38 |
| jonwil | ok, downloading that image | 11:38 |
| alterego | you need the uboot kernel | 11:39 |
| jonwil | ok, what do I download? | 11:40 |
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| alterego | ang on | 11:40 |
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| jonwil | so using the -l option for flasher to load a kernel without flashing to phone is not an option? | 11:40 |
| alterego | do you know how to unpack debs? | 11:40 |
| jonwil | I can unpack deb yes | 11:40 |
| alterego | jonwil: it is, but you need to use the uboot kernel for that | 11:41 |
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| jonwil | ok, great | 11:41 |
| alterego | do you know how to unpack .debs on gentoo? | 11:42 |
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| jonwil | yes I can | 11:42 |
| jonwil | which deb do I need? | 11:42 |
| alterego | okay: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/u/uboot-pr13/uboot-pr13_1.0.2_armel.deb | 11:42 |
| alterego | unpack that and you get a fiasco | 11:43 |
| alterego | then use flash to unpack the fiasco and you get the kernel image | 11:43 |
| jonwil | ok, yep, I got the uboot-and-zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco file now | 11:43 |
| alterego | s/flash/flasher | 11:43 |
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| alterego | Have you wrote the micro sd yet? | 11:45 |
| jonwil | nope, still downloading the image | 11:45 |
| alterego | Okay, do you know the device node for the micro sd? | 11:45 |
| jonwil | whats the flasher command to unpack the fiasco file? | 11:46 |
| jonwil | ok, I got it | 11:46 |
| alterego | flasher -F *.fiasco -u | 11:46 |
| jonwil | I have a zImage file | 11:46 |
| alterego | Cool | 11:46 |
| jonwil | how do I find out what mount my microsd is? | 11:47 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: fdisk -l | 11:47 |
| alterego | bzcat /path/to/meego-ce*.bz2 | dd of=/dev/[micro sd node] bs=4096 | 11:47 |
| alterego | should either be /dev/sd[abcd] | 11:48 |
| alterego | or mmcblk[0123] | 11:48 |
| alterego | I usually use dmesg | 11:48 |
| alterego | after plugging it in. dmesg should say it's got a new driver | 11:48 |
| alterego | erm, drive | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:49 |
| hiemanshu | Jaffa: morning, the N950 bearer | 11:49 |
| alterego | Hey Jaffa | 11:49 |
| jonwil | ok, fdisk -l shows 3 drives, one is listed as 40.0gb, one is 20.0gb and one is 32.0gb | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | That's me :) | 11:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:50 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: and how big is the SD card? | 11:50 |
| jonwil | I dont know | 11:50 |
| alterego | :) | 11:50 |
| alterego | jonwil: just unplug the phone with the micro sd in it | 11:50 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: where have you plugged it in? | 11:50 |
| alterego | then plug it back in in mass storage mode, then run dmesg | 11:50 |
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| hiemanshu | its in the older phone or the N900? | 11:50 |
| alterego | You should see some output about mmcblk0 or sd something | 11:51 |
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| hiemanshu | alterego: well with the resuce image, he should be able to access the uSD on the N900 just fine | 11:51 |
| jonwil | n900 in rescue mode | 11:51 |
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| alterego | hiemanshu: he doesn't have a fully working keyboard though | 11:51 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: after plugging it in, you'll have to restart yes | 11:51 |
| jonwil | I can see the n900 disks | 11:51 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: sure, but he needs to run the resuce initrd, press u, and it connects the eMMC and SD card as mass storage | 11:51 |
| alterego | hiemanshu: okay, didn't know he could do that | 11:52 |
| alterego | hiemanshu: I've not used the rescue initrd | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: plug in the uSD card, close the back cover, and rerun the rescue initrd | 11:52 |
| jonwil | I have the microsd plugged in | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: ah, I use it for changing the default maemo layout | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | (disk layout) | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: back cover closed? | 11:53 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 11:53 |
| hiemanshu | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd#USB_storage_mode_.28U.29 this part specifically | 11:53 |
| alterego | Well, I'll never need to use it :P | 11:54 |
| hiemanshu | it helps when you do a stupid move like rm -rf * in the /opt directory, and cannot backup any other way :P | 11:54 |
| jonwil | ok, I have the flasher image and zimage on my gentoo box | 11:55 |
| jonwil | which I just had to reboot because of a GPU issue :) | 11:55 |
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| hiemanshu | hmmm ok, anyways, re-run the rescue initrd once, and you should be able to see the uSD card | 11:56 |
| jonwil | once that boots, I will be able to properly boot the N900 with the right command, then select the mass storage option | 11:56 |
| * hiemanshu has to run for a bit now | 11:56 | |
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| jonwil | ok, running dd now | 12:13 |
| jonwil | lets hope this works and I get a usable image | 12:14 |
| alterego | :) | 12:14 |
| alterego | What was the device name you're wrtiting to? | 12:15 |
| jonwil | dev/sdc is what it ended up being | 12:15 |
| alterego | Cool | 12:15 |
| jonwil | its still writing | 12:16 |
| jonwil | so lets hope this works | 12:16 |
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| jonwil | I couldn't get it to work with my N900 so I am using my old motorola z6 | 12:16 |
| jonwil | in the hope that works | 12:16 |
| jonwil | which it seems to be doing | 12:16 |
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| alterego | :) | 12:19 |
| jonwil | ok it seems like there is not enough space on my sdcard to fit the image | 12:19 |
| jonwil | :( | 12:19 |
| jonwil | fuck | 12:19 |
| alterego | balls | 12:19 |
| alterego | Is it a 2G? | 12:19 |
| alterego | Need at least 4G really :/ | 12:19 |
| jonwil | oh snap, its an old 1.0gb | 12:19 |
| alterego | Hah | 12:19 |
| alterego | scht :/ | 12:19 |
| alterego | Does the rescue initrd not have ssh server? | 12:20 |
| jonwil | I dont think it does | 12:20 |
| jonwil | But I think we could add it or any other needed commands somehow | 12:21 |
| jonwil | At least I hope so | 12:21 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: it has busybox | 12:22 |
| alterego | Is that all? :) | 12:22 |
| hiemanshu | I doubt there is a sshd though | 12:22 |
| alterego | Does it have netcat? :D | 12:22 |
| alterego | Just thinking how we can get you a remote shell .. | 12:23 |
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| jonwil | cant we just compile something and add it to the rescue filesystem? | 12:24 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: the de-installer has one with nc | 12:25 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: which reminds me | 12:25 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC should work too | 12:25 |
| hiemanshu | use the script there, it can install to uSD if available | 12:26 |
| hiemanshu | that initrd has usbnet and netcat auto starts | 12:26 |
| jonwil | so I can use that to flash smaller <1gb image to microsd? | 12:27 |
| hiemanshu | well no, if you how to use nc, you can use that thouh | 12:28 |
| hiemanshu | though* | 12:28 |
| jonwil | I think the solution is to get a binary for ssh or something that I can add to initrd.img-descue-blah | 12:29 |
| jonwil | Thats the only answer I can see | 12:29 |
| jonwil | or netcat | 12:29 |
| jonwil | or whatever program | 12:29 |
| jonwil | i.e. I need something (anything) that can either fit on a 1gb microsd or be loaded into ram | 12:31 |
| jonwil | and that has remote access somehow | 12:32 |
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| jonwil | any ideas how to do that would be much appreciated | 12:33 |
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| jonwil | wait no I got something now | 12:35 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: unpack the initrd, grab the .rpms built for the meego-ce, and put them in the initrd | 12:35 |
| hiemanshu | that should work | 12:35 |
| jonwil | unpacking the initrd is done how> | 12:36 |
| jonwil | ? | 12:36 |
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| hiemanshu | I am not sure what kind of initrd meego-ce uses | 12:36 |
| hiemanshu | maybe cpio or something | 12:36 |
| jonwil | file says its "linux compressed rom file system data" | 12:37 |
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| jonwil | where are the meego gurus when ya need em :P | 12:37 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: try zcat | 12:38 |
| hiemanshu | anyways I have to run to the airport now, out for a few hours | 12:38 |
| jonwil | zcat doesnt work | 12:38 |
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| jonwil | aha, need to compile my kernel with cramfs support | 12:39 |
| jonwil | then I can mount it and copy bits off | 12:40 |
| jonwil | and fix it | 12:40 |
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| jonwil | ok, good, all I need now is a usable sshd binary for the N900 | 12:51 |
| jonwil | for meego | 12:52 |
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| dm8tbr | jonwil: meego comes with sshd | 13:05 |
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| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/amiga# : p-uae is a portable #unix #amiga #emulator packaged for #meego and #debian distro, report prerelease tests | 13:10 |
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| moofree | only amiga makes it possible | 13:10 |
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| Ans5i | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/check-availability | 16:08 |
| * SpeedEvil is somewhat concerned the UK isn't mentioned. | 16:08 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Huh? No france, germany, italy, but poland? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a rationale for that, along the line of online-shops closing for several countries | 16:09 |
| Jucato | where would be the place to ask questions regarding MeeGo CE? is there a specific channel? | 16:11 |
| Ans5i | SpeedEvil: i am glad that Finland is mentioned. | 16:11 |
| dm8tbr | Jucato: #meego-arm | 16:11 |
| Jucato | thanks | 16:12 |
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| amjad_ | SpeedEvil: Stskeeps is based in poland, that can be a pointer :) | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: As DocScrutinizer says, the online stores in the UK, France, Germany, Italy and US have all closed. | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: So it's very likely that the "check availability" is only referring to the nokia.com online stores. | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo Jaffa | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | moo o/ | 16:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: It'd be great if you did a proper analysis and find if the set of shops which has closed is the exact set of countries which are missing, though :) | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - I see. yeah - I just checked the UK store, and it's indeed closed. I wonder why. | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Amazon was cheaper, so the whole online shop probably a minus business | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moo | 16:17 |
| javispedro | moo. | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I liked the coupons for the n900 though :) | 16:17 |
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| dm8tbr | Bug 20531 has just been filed | 16:30 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20531 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, NEW, Allow usage of 'MeeGo' in the domain names formeego.com and formeego.org to focus community hw adapt | 16:30 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: ping! :) can I make you a couple of question about your Libre.fm client development? | 18:02 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: sure | 18:07 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: oh I just noticed you replied on your blog comments :) | 18:07 |
| Elleo | ah right, that was you :) | 18:08 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I'm the same person ;) I'll try to setup Harmattan SDK under Scratchbox then :) | 18:08 |
| Elleo | cool | 18:08 |
| Elleo | yeah, I didn't have much luck with qemu either | 18:08 |
| Elleo | couldn't get it to do anything other than software gl rendering | 18:08 |
| Elleo | which made everything pretty much unusable slow | 18:08 |
| Andy80 | yeah | 18:08 |
| Elleo | so doing everything natively makes life much easier for the most part | 18:09 |
| Andy80 | and using Desktop as target is almost impossible too... | 18:09 |
| Elleo | although it makes testing stuff like orientation changes more of a problem | 18:09 |
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| Andy80 | yeah but at the moment I don't need to test orientation stuff.... having a working UI and being able to test sound would be more than enough! | 18:12 |
| Elleo | yeah | 18:12 |
| Andy80 | are you using the visual designer or are you manually coding the UI? | 18:13 |
| Elleo | manually, couldn't get the designer to pick up on the harmattan qml plugin properly | 18:14 |
| Elleo | plus in the end I found it a bit easier to get stuff laying out in a more flowable way by doing it manually | 18:14 |
| alterego | Elleo: yeah, I don't like the qml designer. I do everything manually. | 18:15 |
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| [antenia84] | anyone have a google+ invitation? | 18:21 |
| RST38h | your email? | 18:21 |
| [antenia84] | RST38h, have you an invitation for me? | 18:21 |
| jonwil | ok, I cant get it to pick up usbnet | 18:22 |
| jonwil | when in meego | 18:22 |
| jonwil | ideas? | 18:22 |
| RST38h | ok, do not send your email, forget it. | 18:22 |
| * CosmoHill only just got the book of faces | 18:23 | |
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| jonwil | usb networking is hard to set up :( | 18:24 |
| jonwil | hard to get working | 18:24 |
| jonwil | so I have no usb, no wifi and no display backlight. Great. | 18:24 |
| jonwil | no usbnet | 18:25 |
| jonwil | someone must know how to get usbnet to work :( | 18:25 |
| RST38h | jonwil: I do think you should have figured by now that nobody here does =) | 18:25 |
| jonwil | ok, now I got something | 18:27 |
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| jonwil | I see "nokia N900 usb modem #2" | 18:27 |
| rbrito | Hi there. | 18:28 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: so I guess you still haven't got it working? :P | 18:28 |
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| rbrito | I am an almost complete newbie with an N900, but I am moderately experienced with a Unix system (well, I happen to have about 10 or 15 packages in Debian proper). | 18:29 |
| rbrito | I am having problems when I try to get a Meego image booting on my N900. | 18:29 |
| jonwil | still no closer to getting usbnet going which is the last step I need to fix my N900 | 18:29 |
| rbrito | I have done two things: I installed the uboot version for pr13 and it boots correctly with Maemo. | 18:30 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up | 18:30 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: and the phone should give itself 192.168.2.15 | 18:30 |
| jonwil | I cant get it to work on linux or windows | 18:31 |
| rbrito | Then, I picked a meego image and tried to write the bzip2'ed image to a 4GB microSD card on my notebook. | 18:31 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: did you try ifconfig? | 18:31 |
| hiemanshu | rbrito: umm, how do you write the image? | 18:31 |
| jonwil | ok, now ifconfig works | 18:31 |
| jonwil | and I have what appears to be usbnet | 18:31 |
| hiemanshu | jonwil: can you ping 192.168.2.15? | 18:32 |
| rbrito | Unfortunately, when I try to boot this microsd card on the N900, I get a kernel panic when with the kernel telling me that the root filesystem could not be found... | 18:32 |
| rbrito | hiemanshu: with a plain cat. | 18:32 |
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| hiemanshu | rbrito: can I have the exact command please? | 18:32 |
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| rbrito | bzip2 -d < the.bzip2 > /dev/mmc0devicethatIcan't remmeber (the whole device, not a partition). | 18:33 |
| Elleo | rbrito: you should probably dd it to the device | 18:33 |
| Elleo | not cat it | 18:33 |
| hiemanshu | rbrito: bzcat mmc.bz2 | dd of=/dev/mmcblkx | 18:33 |
| Elleo | bzcat yourimage.bz2 | dd bs=4096 of=/dev/mmc0p1 or what have you | 18:33 |
| hiemanshu | that is the command | 18:33 |
| rbrito | Elleo: care to elaborate a little bit more about it, aside from buffering that dd does? | 18:34 |
| hiemanshu | oh right, bs-2096 | 18:34 |
| hiemanshu | ugh, bs=4096 | 18:34 |
| rbrito | hiemanshu: OK, I will try dd. :-) Let's see if that changes things... | 18:34 |
| Elleo | rbrito: dd does a bitwise copy of the image, on to the device, rather than just copying the files contained within it onto the device | 18:35 |
| rbrito | Yes, 4KB for each block size... | 18:35 |
| hiemanshu | rbrito: it should, because dd != cat | 18:35 |
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| Elleo | s/files/contents of the files/ | 18:36 |
| infobot | Elleo meant: rbrito: dd does a bitwise copy of the image, on to the device, rather than just copying the contents of the files contained within it onto the device | 18:36 |
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| rbrito | Elleo: OK, I will try it, but aside from buffering and changes in chunks written, I can't see how things would change... | 18:36 |
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| rbrito | I can, BTW, mount the SD card on my notebook, where everything is recognized (partition table, boot partition, an ext4 partition)... | 18:37 |
| jonwil | ok, run the ifconfig command and usb0 appears | 18:37 |
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| rbrito | OK, writing it. Will send feedback so that we can see what happens. | 18:37 |
| jonwil | but I cant ping 192.168.2.15 | 18:37 |
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| Elleo | also, what image are you using? | 18:38 |
| Elleo | you did get an arm image, not an x86 image, right? | 18:38 |
| rbrito | Elleo: mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 18:40 |
| Elleo | yeah, that looks right | 18:40 |
| rbrito | That's an arm one... | 18:40 |
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| Andy80 | trying to run a compiled binary inside Scratchbox with Harmattan target I get this: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 18:45 |
| Andy80 | how can I fix it? | 18:45 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: are you using the x86 scratchbox? | 18:47 |
| Elleo | it sounds like you might be using the arm one | 18:47 |
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| Elleo | if you want to run stuff natively you should compile it in the x86 target | 18:47 |
| Elleo | than just switch to the arm target when you want to compile for the actual device | 18:47 |
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| Elleo | the hostname should show: sbox-HARMATTAN_X86 if you're in the right target | 18:48 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: yes I'm using the x86 one | 18:49 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: [sbox-HARMATTAN_X86: ~] > meego-run ./flickr | 18:49 |
| Elleo | not sure what's up then | 18:49 |
| Elleo | if you do "file flickr" what does it tell you? | 18:50 |
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| Andy80 | [sbox-HARMATTAN_X86: ~] > file flickr | 18:58 |
| Andy80 | flickr: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped | 18:58 |
| Andy80 | wtf... | 18:58 |
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| Andy80 | I compiled for x86 | 18:58 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: which target do you choose in QtCreator when you want to compile for x86? | 18:59 |
| Elleo | Andy80: ah, did you configure QtCreator to use the toolchain in scratchbox? I think I forgot to point you to that guide: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Getting_started_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Integrating_Qt_Creator_with_Scratchbox_in_Linux_environment | 19:01 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: I missed that part :) | 19:01 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I'll try it later then! Thanks for now ;) | 19:01 |
| Elleo | no worries | 19:01 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: your code looks quite good to understand :) I'll take it as guide to structure my app :) | 19:05 |
| Elleo | :) | 19:06 |
| Elleo | it's my first attempt at doing anything much with QT and QML so it might not be the perfect guide ;) | 19:06 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: right but.... I tried to follow official examples and they're a big caos of code.... Qt code mixed with QML... I really hate it. I prefer your way, separating the code in the servercomm and putting only UI stuff in .qml files | 19:07 |
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| Elleo | yeah, well I prefer having UI stuff as separate as possible, especially as I might want to have some different UI for tablet/desktop versions | 19:08 |
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| GAN900 | Ahaha | 19:19 |
| GAN900 | Anybody catch Quim's sad violin tweet? | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 19:20 |
| alterego | Yes :D | 19:21 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: exactly :) | 19:23 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: all the QtQuick/QML tutorials, lessons ecc... I followed did everything in QML | 19:23 |
| Andy80 | I remember for example a QML twitter client we tried to realize at MeeGo Conference.... it was using just qml :\ | 19:24 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: just a strange thing I noticed... why are you using Phonon and not QtMultimedia which is part of QtMobility? | 19:28 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: from reading the docs QtMultimedia appears to be aimed at lower level usage and recommends phonon for higher level use | 19:30 |
| Andy80 | uhm.... things have changed then :\ | 19:31 |
| Andy80 | when I developed LastGo (Last.fm client for Maemo) I used QtMultimedia, it was the suggested one | 19:31 |
| leinir | It sort of depends on who's around when you ask the question... | 19:34 |
| Andy80 | anyway... the usage is almost the same.... 1) set the source, 2) play :) | 19:35 |
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| Andy80 | I think the most difficoult (at lest for me) part will be creating a custom ListView in QML and fill it with data dinamically. But I really think is a very common task and I hope I'll find documentation, tutorials ecc... | 19:36 |
| maligor | well, I've done that | 19:37 |
| maligor | there's a sample I wrote for that | 19:37 |
| maligor | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-content/trees/master/sampleqml/meego-sample-content | 19:38 |
| maligor | the model that uses is from c++ | 19:38 |
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| maligor | I'm not actually sure if it's possible to make a model in qml | 19:38 |
| Andy80 | maligor: something like this http://library.developer.nokia.com/topic/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qt-components/images/example-flickr-listview.png to give you an example :) | 19:39 |
| maligor | well, the sample is quite similar actually | 19:40 |
| maligor | it has a image, title and text for the display model | 19:40 |
| maligor | the source model as I said, is c++ tho | 19:40 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, can't get you a link from TwimGo, apparently. | 19:41 |
| maligor | the QAbstractItemModel | 19:41 |
| maligor | Andy80, which bit of it is confusing you?-) | 19:41 |
| alterego | what is the nature of the model you're making? | 19:42 |
| Andy80 | maligor: which target do I have to use to run it? | 19:42 |
| alterego | You can populate a model using "append" function in js | 19:43 |
| alterego | I used it to create a json based model yesterday | 19:43 |
| maligor | Andy80, well, it's a part of the tablet images | 19:43 |
| Andy80 | maligor: oh... so I've to use the MeeGo SDK..... I was opening it with QtSDK | 19:43 |
| maligor | Andy80, the basic part is the "Delegate" and the ListView | 19:43 |
| maligor | line 157 in main.qml for listview | 19:44 |
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| maligor | the delegate is declared just below it | 19:45 |
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| maligor | and the delegate item itself is in the SampleItem.qml | 19:45 |
| maligor | Andy80, there's also examples of that in the qml docs actually | 19:46 |
| maligor | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/demos-declarative-twitter.html | 19:47 |
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| maligor | uses some xml parser model | 19:48 |
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| * TSCHAKeee is currently having to create a shitload of C++ glue classes | 19:50 | |
| TSCHAKeee | to ferry data to qml | 19:50 |
| maligor | I'd prefer writing everything in c++, and just the gui glue in qml ;P | 19:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | we all have what we prefer | 19:52 |
| Botsik | maligor: sounds like a reasonable approach, and is quite doable | 19:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | the difference is, what's reality? | 19:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | I can bitch and complain all i want, but I still have to do it | 19:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 19:53 |
| maligor | the reality is that there's people who bitch and complain that they want it in qml+javascript ;P | 19:53 |
| berndhs | if you don't believe it and its still there, it's probably reality | 19:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | and those people...are pussies. | 19:53 |
| maligor | I think of it a bit like python.. it's nice, but you don't want to do anything that affects performance in it ;P | 19:54 |
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| maligor | I know the new javascript engines are awesome tho | 19:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | they're getting better | 19:55 |
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| rbrito | Hi there, again. | 20:29 |
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| rbrito | Well, with dd or not writing to the SD card, when uboot loads the uImage, the kernel has mapped the internal memory at mmcblk0 and the SD card at mmcblk1, but it tries use mmcblk0p1 as the root partition, which fails. Is this a known/reported problem? | 20:33 |
| rbrito | I don't know if meego uses udev or if it uses a static /dev to tell it where to find things... | 20:34 |
| dm8tbr | device? | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | image? | 20:35 |
| rbrito | Oh, just to be sure, uboot *does* load the 2.6.37 kernel made by the adaptation team. | 20:35 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: meego 2011-07-01 (actually, the -06-23 image gives the same results). The device is a N900. | 20:36 |
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| dm8tbr | it works for everyone else, so there's likely something that you did differently | 20:38 |
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| rbrito | dm8tbr: Of course, that's possible. :-) | 20:38 |
| dm8tbr | you wrote to the raw device not to the first partition? | 20:39 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: Just to recap, I installed uboot pr13... | 20:39 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: sure. | 20:39 |
| dm8tbr | you have your back-cover on? | 20:39 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: I know a little bit about booting with Linux... :-) | 20:39 |
| rbrito | http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog/posts/running_grub2_on_powerpc_macs/ | 20:40 |
| rbrito | :-) | 20:40 |
| dm8tbr | I don't doubt that, but do you know how to make n900 boot a meego image? ;-p | 20:40 |
| rbrito | Just un'bzip2'ed and piped that to the block device corresponding to the SD card. | 20:40 |
| rbrito | The actual command: | 20:41 |
| dm8tbr | sounds fine | 20:41 |
| dm8tbr | and the n900 back cover is on? | 20:41 |
| rbrito | bzip2 -d < foo.img.bz2 > /dev/mmcblk0 (on my notebook). | 20:41 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: no, I left it off, because I still plan on fiddling with it, until it works... :-) | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | *badaching* | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | you won the zonk | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | please put the back cover on, reboot | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | ... | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | profit | 20:42 |
| timoph | :) | 20:42 |
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| timoph | yeah. it doesn't mount the card if the cover is off | 20:42 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: Done that already. :-) Maemo loads fine. Meego doesn't... | 20:43 |
| rbrito | OK, I will try that... Let's see if that's the thing... | 20:43 |
| maligor | what's with the back cover anyway? I looked at it and it only seemed to have a slight notch that pushes the sdcard? | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | there is a magnet | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | if you flip out the kickstand | 20:43 |
| timoph | it's under the stand | 20:43 |
| rbrito | OK, I will grab it. This is *weird*... | 20:44 |
| * timoph is slow and leaves the explaining to dm8tbr | 20:44 | |
| dm8tbr | it holds both the kickstand AND triggers something like a reed contact which affects the musd card | 20:44 |
| maligor | heh | 20:44 |
| maligor | daft | 20:44 |
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| berndhs | it is for your own safety I'm sure | 20:44 |
| maligor | so can you boot it with a small magnet? | 20:45 |
| rbrito | Just a second. I just attached the back cover... | 20:45 |
| dm8tbr | maligor: yes people do that | 20:45 |
| rbrito | Will tell you the outcome ASAP. | 20:45 |
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| rbrito | Hummm, it booted directly into maemo... And maemo just told me that "internal memory format not supported", which is really weird... | 20:47 |
| rbrito | Just a second. I will turn off this thing and report back... | 20:47 |
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| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=ARM%2FN900%2FGettingStarted&action=historysubmit&diff=43066&oldid=42190 ;) | 20:49 |
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| rbrito | Oh, shit. It did load Meego with the back cover put on... | 20:50 |
| maligor | heh | 20:50 |
| rbrito | This thing is counter-hacking... | 20:50 |
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| dm8tbr | rbrito: peel out the magnet, tape it onto the right spot... | 20:51 |
| maligor | what's the magnet for anyway? sdcard hotplug detection? | 20:51 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 20:51 |
| rbrito | Oh, this meego thing is slow to boot, right? | 20:51 |
| maligor | depends | 20:52 |
| dm8tbr | first boot takes longer | 20:52 |
| maligor | it's gotten faster recently | 20:52 |
| rbrito | Once it is running it seems to run at a moderate speed... | 20:52 |
| dm8tbr | also what class of card do you have? | 20:52 |
| maligor | but I've only used the tablet images | 20:52 |
| rbrito | dm8tbr: Not very speedy. That I can concede. | 20:52 |
| maligor | I used a class 10 at one point, it was decent | 20:53 |
| rbrito | Is there any way to use a kernel with a higher clock frequency? | 20:53 |
| rbrito | maligor: Not sure where I would get one class 10 sd card. | 20:53 |
| dm8tbr | class 6 is quite OK too | 20:54 |
| maligor | yeah, microsd class 10's seem incredibly hard to find | 20:54 |
| rbrito | BTW, has anybody here gotten an SD card that is bigger than 16GB to work with the n900? | 20:54 |
| rbrito | I guess that I may, perhaps, just be on my way to get another microsd card... | 20:55 |
| rbrito | Would an SD XC card work with this? | 20:55 |
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| rbrito | Does the phone work with meego? | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | on n900? yes | 20:59 |
| rbrito | I could connect with wifi, but it tells me that I have no signal. | 20:59 |
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| rbrito | Stskeeps|holiday: OK, I will try harder here, then. I have no problems with meego, though. | 20:59 |
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| bash` | hi all, my n900 keeps rebooting because battery is low and it doesn't charge. I haven't the wall charger here right now. I can access the terminal and run commands, is there something I can disable or start? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | #meego-arm is really better | 21:02 |
| the-boss | Stskeeps|holiday: Error: "meego-arm" is not a valid command. | 21:02 |
| rbrito | s/meego/maemo/ | 21:03 |
| infobot | rbrito meant: Stskeeps|holiday: OK, I will try harder here, then. I have no problems with maemo, though. | 21:03 |
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| rbrito | But I would prefer to use meego, if only for developing stuff. | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flatbat | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flatbatrecover | 21:05 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 21:05 |
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| rbrito | The meego user interface is not too intuitive, though... | 21:06 |
| MSvB | Having an insane time trying to use the MeeGo 1.2 SDK to develop on Linux... | 21:06 |
| rbrito | Just a second. I will be right back. | 21:07 |
| MSvB | Since I don't have a win32 computer lying around, I need to figure this out some other way. | 21:07 |
| MSvB | ...and it seems that Linux 64-bit is just a no show for developing MeeGo at all using the official SDK. | 21:07 |
| MSvB | Anyone here developing MeeGo software using the Qt libraries at all? | 21:08 |
| MSvB | The question is, what's to stop building in a rude way on a IA32 device running MeeGo 1.2 with no MeeGo SDK in sight. | 21:09 |
| MSvB | I assume it's no problem, and that's what I plan to try in order to solve this SDK problem. | 21:09 |
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| maligor | you can build on meego | 21:11 |
| maligor | quite often the target devices just are much slower than workstations | 21:11 |
| maligor | you can also use the images to create your own chroot | 21:12 |
| MSvB | Yea that's why we install the SDK on a workstation (Linux 64-bit Suse) and crosscompile. | 21:12 |
| MSvB | ...but like I said the SDK is pretty well defective at this time. | 21:12 |
| rbrito | Just one question that is not clear to me: why are some UI items prefixed with two exclamation points? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | lack of translation | 21:13 |
| MSvB | About MeeGo building, I'm thinking this could work: | 21:13 |
| MSvB | zypper install libqt-devel; cc mycode.c -lqt ... | 21:13 |
| MSvB | And away you go. | 21:13 |
| rbrito | Stskeeps|holiday: Any way that I can help with pt_br translations? I do recognize that the UI is not finished (and the strings can change), but I would like to contribute in an ongoing basis... | 21:14 |
| MSvB | My only hope is that the SDK (which is unusable) doesn't provide special widgets or components which are required. | 21:14 |
| rbrito | Stskeeps|holiday: any appropriate mailing list? | 21:14 |
| maligor | MSvB, I think you also need the qt development tools, which were in a different package | 21:14 |
| maligor | MSvB, no, it doesn't have anything special in it | 21:15 |
| maligor | what meego sdk are you referring to? | 21:15 |
| MSvB | maligor: Is that just your guess, or are you actually developing? | 21:15 |
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| MSvB | I mean the one you can download 'MeeGo 1.2 SDK' | 21:16 |
| MSvB | ...but after that failed to install (on four of my computer)... I tried other things as well. | 21:16 |
| maligor | I guess I'm a meego developer for the time being | 21:16 |
| MSvB | There are SDK packages for OpenSUSE, Ubuntu... online and that got further but is broken as well. | 21:16 |
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| maligor | and certainly a decent bit of experience writing apps for it now | 21:17 |
| MSvB | maligor: But are you developing using the 'MeeGo SDK', 'Qt SDK', or just hand building against the Qt libraries? | 21:17 |
| MSvB | ...or not using Qt at all? | 21:17 |
| maligor | well, any gui apps tend to use qml | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | meego sdk is centered around building against qt libs | 21:17 |
| MSvB | maligor: Okay, that's good. Then what you're doing is what I intend to do as well. | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | using meego toolchains and sysroot | 21:18 |
| MSvB | Stskeeps: Yeah that's all very clear. | 21:18 |
| maligor | last I tried, using qt widgets was a bit rough | 21:18 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps|holiday: go back to holidaying :P | 21:18 |
| rbrito | Humm, the meego UI is friendlier in many places, but I still can't place a call... :-) | 21:18 |
| rbrito | Oh, one thing: how does one cause the browser to zoom? | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | rbrito: file bug at bugs.meego.com | 21:19 |
| rbrito | Double tapping didn't work. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | hiemanshu: its raining, got nothing better to do | 21:19 |
| rbrito | Stskeeps|holiday: Thanks. | 21:19 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps|holiday: haha, enjoying the holidays? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | hiemanshu: yeah, but at same time looking forward to come hacking | 21:20 |
| rbrito | I was just planning on backporting patches from the -stable series of the kernel to 2.6.28, but you guys have done a great job with 2.6.37, from what I can see... | 21:20 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps|holiday: ah nice, well, I'll be around hacking with you too :D | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | rbrito: we even have 3.0.0 rc running | 21:21 |
| maligor | rbrito, but you'll soon be working on a hopelessly outdated kernel when 3.0 comes out ;P | 21:21 |
| maligor | linus should've just gone the emacs route and called it 6.29 | 21:21 |
| maligor | err.. 39 | 21:22 |
| rbrito | maligor: Well, at least if we preserve the binary interfaces, we could use a newer kernel with maemo... | 21:22 |
| berndhs | maybe linus is going the Mozilla route, 4.0 will be out in september | 21:22 |
| rbrito | maligor: that woud be 40. :-) | 21:22 |
| maligor | berndhs, but 6 is larger than 4 | 21:22 |
| berndhs | only for small values of 4 | 21:23 |
| rbrito | maligor: we had 2.6.39 released. The next step would be 40. :-) | 21:23 |
| rbrito | And the releases that Greg KH make would be 40.x | 21:24 |
| MSvB | 2.6.39 is pretty welcome to show up any time, it has important atheros driver changes I think. | 21:24 |
| rbrito | Actually, Linus would, according to that, release 40.0... | 21:24 |
| rbrito | MSvB: 2.6.39 was released for some time already... | 21:25 |
| maligor | heh, yes, version 40.0 would make it way superior to os's using 7 as a version number | 21:25 |
| maligor | or marketingname | 21:25 |
| rbrito | Sure. Linus doesn't actually care what the kernel version is, as long as it is increasing... | 21:26 |
| rbrito | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tag;h=8b0753a | 21:26 |
| MSvB | Yes 2.6.39 was released at kernel.org but it seems to not have been integrated by the distros yet. | 21:27 |
| MSvB | The various (sometimes adventurous) patches make kernel packaging pretty time consuming. | 21:27 |
| rbrito | MSvB: debian will be skipping it. We already have 3.0.0-rc's packaged... | 21:27 |
| maligor | debian has 2.6.39 also tho | 21:28 |
| MSvB | ...so at least I'm waiting for things to settle and see where 2.6.39 pops up. | 21:28 |
| MSvB | Okay, skip it. I just think it's a bummer that the kernel module for my NIC is flaky on every computer I'm using. | 21:29 |
| MSvB | ...because 2.6.39 (or >) has not been officially packaged and released yet. | 21:29 |
| MSvB | The problem I'm talking about is placing the ath9k in management mode and using it to create a ad-hoc network. | 21:30 |
| rbrito | MSvB: try linux-image-3.0.0-rc4-amd64 | 21:30 |
| rbrito | I am using it for some time now... | 21:31 |
| MSvB | ...acting like a WiFi AP server. | 21:31 |
| MSvB | rbrito: What repo? | 21:31 |
| rbrito | And it seems that the buildds already have -rc5 compiled.. | 21:31 |
| rbrito | MSvB: experimental. | 21:31 |
| rbrito | The official Debian mirrors... | 21:31 |
| MSvB | That doesn't help on MeeGo very much though. Those are debs. | 21:32 |
| MSvB | Maybe Fedora has something >= 2.6.39. | 21:33 |
| rbrito | MSvB: there's nothing to fear with experimental... It usually is used to test programs (sure), but many times it is used to not disturb transitions... | 21:33 |
| rbrito | And that's the case right now... | 21:33 |
| rbrito | MSvB: Converting a deb to an rpm isn't something too hard... | 21:33 |
| rbrito | In the worst case, you can just use the data.tar.gz that is contained.. | 21:34 |
| maligor | I wouldn't | 21:34 |
| rbrito | The package manager doesn't need to know what kernels you have. | 21:34 |
| maligor | you can setup a kernel for meego quite easily | 21:34 |
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| rbrito | maligor: sure, strictly speaking it is not something for the faint of the heart. | 21:34 |
| MSvB | Okay, packaging a alpha/beta kernel on a foreign OS, then converting with alien to RPM, then installing on MeeGo. | 21:34 |
| MSvB | That gives me a headache already before even trying... | 21:34 |
| MSvB | maligor: Yeah I've packaged kernels no problem, but its the massive quantity of patches that makes it a miserable task. | 21:35 |
| MSvB | ...I'd rather just be patient and use no ad-hoc for the time being. | 21:35 |
| jonwil | my phone finally works again. YAY. | 21:35 |
| jonwil | And I didnt loose anything on my emmc | 21:35 |
| jonwil | just my /opt | 21:35 |
| jonwil | and my rootfs | 21:35 |
| jonwil | and any settings stored on either | 21:35 |
| MSvB | jonwil: What did you do to fix it? | 21:36 |
| jonwil | which should be easy to restore tommorow | 21:36 |
| maligor | MSvB, what target are you looking at? mrst? | 21:36 |
| rbrito | jonwil: Can you use the phone ("the telephone" part of it)? | 21:36 |
| rbrito | I could not (yet). | 21:36 |
| jonwil | Thanks to finally getting usb networking working in meego, I was able to backup my NAND rootfs | 21:36 |
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| jonwil | so then I could reflash a combined FIASCO image | 21:36 |
| jonwil | and my phone now boots | 21:36 |
| MSvB | maligor: What do you mean, target? | 21:37 |
| MSvB | maligor: If you mean trying to use the SDK, the target is IA32. A netbook. | 21:37 |
| MSvB | maligor: I know, it's no problem building on the machin itself. | 21:37 |
| MSvB | maligor: I'd just rather use the MeeGo 1.2 SDK since it's the most official way to develop. | 21:38 |
| rbrito | jonwil: In the worst case, you could just use a wifi connection + usb to backup the box... | 21:38 |
| maligor | kernel-adaptation-pinetrail doesn't actually have many patches | 21:38 |
| maligor | mrst has a lot | 21:38 |
| MSvB | maligor: ...oh okay you're talking about patching the kernel. Sorry. | 21:38 |
| jonwil | in this case my issue was that meego had wifi issues | 21:38 |
| jonwil | so I had to get usbnet goingf | 21:38 |
| MSvB | jonwil: Which kept your phone from working? | 21:39 |
| jonwil | no, my phone is running maemo5 which stopped working. So I did some gparted fiddling and flashed meego to emmc | 21:39 |
| jonwil | which I could then boot with flasher -l and the relavent kernel | 21:39 |
| jonwil | but wifi didnt work in this meego instance | 21:39 |
| jonwil | but I was able to get usbnet going | 21:40 |
| MSvB | jonwil: Which phone is it? | 21:40 |
| jonwil | so I could backup my maemo rootfs | 21:40 |
| jonwil | n900 | 21:40 |
| jonwil | and then I was able to reflash that maemo image | 21:40 |
| jonwil | and get my phone to boot again | 21:40 |
| jonwil | anyhow its fixed' | 21:40 |
| MSvB | jonwil: Oh, glad you got it working again. | 21:40 |
| jonwil | so its all good | 21:40 |
| jonwil | my emmc is fine so I keep most of the settings | 21:40 |
| jonwil | just a few like the desktop background seem to have reset | 21:41 |
| jonwil | I have learnt that messing with /etc can be bad | 21:41 |
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| jonwil | and that you cant use a meego rescue initrd to mount the ubi NAND on a N900 | 21:42 |
| jonwil | and that meego-de isnt as polished as maemo is | 21:42 |
| jonwil | also its cool that I can do cool shit like that, if this was an iPhone or an Android handset I would have had no choice but to restore the whole thing | 21:43 |
| jonwil | and loose everything | 21:43 |
| maligor | it's meego ce now | 21:43 |
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| jonwil | ok, meego ce then | 21:44 |
| jonwil | but yeah the magic of open source and linux wins over closed proprietary crap | 21:44 |
| jonwil | Although the N900 has its share of proprietary crap... :P | 21:44 |
| MSvB | jonwil: What's not open, the GSM stack? | 21:45 |
| jonwil | even meego-ce-n900 cant function without proprietary crap | 21:45 |
| jonwil | like the GPU drivers | 21:45 |
| RST38h | jonwil: Have you noted you are the only one speaking? | 21:45 |
| jonwil | heh :P | 21:45 |
| MSvB | Oh right. | 21:45 |
| jonwil | anyhow, its nearly 3am so I need to collapse | 21:45 |
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| vitna | hy everyone | 21:47 |
| MSvB | vitna: Hello. | 21:47 |
| vitna | MSvB: Hello | 21:47 |
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| vitna | what say here | 21:50 |
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| MSvB | stskeeps: Did you say you knew more about the MeeGo SDK? | 21:55 |
| MSvB | stskeeps: ...still thinking about what the difference could be between building on [MeeGo|Qt] SDK. | 21:55 |
| MSvB | stskeeps: Leaving any emulation out of it, my guess is that everything would be the same. | 21:55 |
| MSvB | stskeeps: I mean, the targets have different names, but if the arch is IA32 in both cases, then there's no binary difference in what the two SDKs produce. | 21:55 |
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| MSvB | The IA32 target on MeeGo SDK is 'MeeGo' something or other, | 21:56 |
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| MSvB | while on the Qt SDK it would be 'Desktop' or something. | 21:56 |
| MSvB | Just maybe there's a differerent -O2 instead of -O3 or something minimial like that. | 21:56 |
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| MSvB | Hi Leinir. | 21:58 |
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| rbrito | Hummm... Just some questions here to you: I think that I will leave meego installed on my external mmc, but what is the recommended way to alternate the boot between meego and maemo? | 22:31 |
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| Elleo | rbrito: if you're using uboot you just type "run noloboot" for maemo or "run mmcboot" for meego (this is the default I think) | 22:36 |
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| rbrito | Elleo: do I necessarily have to open the keyboard for that? | 22:38 |
| Elleo | yes, you need to type the command | 22:38 |
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| rbrito | I like to avoid using "hardware parts" (especially moving ones) so that the hardware lasts a little bit longer. | 22:39 |
| rbrito | Elleo: thanks. | 22:39 |
| rbrito | I will try it right now and report back. | 22:39 |
| rbrito | How do I show/hide the virtual keyboard in meego? | 22:42 |
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| rbrito | It is not obvious and, sometimes, the keyboard gets in the way... :-( | 22:42 |
| jonnor | rbrito: if there is no input widget focused, the input method will not be shown. | 22:44 |
| Elleo | also if you open the hardware keyboard the software one will autohide | 22:44 |
| jonnor | assuming that your hw adaptation has a contextprovided for this | 22:45 |
| jonnor | and that you're not using a very recent weekly trunk image, where this functionality is temporarily disabled | 22:45 |
| rbrito | jonnor: well, I just opened a terminal and the virtual keyboard was automatically enabled... | 22:46 |
| rbrito | I am using the 2011-07-01 image. I don't know if that's recent enough... | 22:46 |
| rbrito | Not a daily image, though. | 22:46 |
| jonnor | rbrito: that is expected behavior. | 22:46 |
| jonnor | It is just that the terminal in the standard meego images sucks. | 22:47 |
| jonnor | (no input widget relocation) | 22:47 |
| jonnor | among other things | 22:47 |
| rbrito | I also got the same behaviour a few minutes ago when I was trying to test my wifi visiting google. | 22:47 |
| jonnor | what behavior? | 22:48 |
| rbrito | If I remember correctly, Google makes the search widget have focus automatically... Perhaps that's the reason? | 22:48 |
| rbrito | The behaviour = automatically opening the virtual keyboard. | 22:48 |
| jonnor | the one in N900 CE is good, but was unwanted in std Meego because it uses LMT | 22:48 |
| jonnor | rbrito: sounds likely. | 22:49 |
| rbrito | LMT? Not sure what that means... | 22:49 |
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| jonnor | Just an unfashionable toolkit built on top of Qt. | 22:49 |
| rbrito | jonnor: well, I have to play with this a little more. I happen to like Meego so far. | 22:49 |
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| rbrito | jonnor: Oh, right. I will learn a bit about programming with Qt... | 22:50 |
| rbrito | I think that I may port xpdf with a poppler backend to use Qt... | 22:51 |
| jonnor | rbrito: if you have issues specific to input methods / virtual keyboard, don't hesitate to visit us in #meego-inputmethods (after you've read the information available on wiki.meego.com/Maliit of course :) | 22:51 |
| rbrito | I have this project here: https://github.com/rbrito/xpdf-poppler | 22:51 |
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| MSvB | I just wen to #meego-inputmethods and there is nobody there. | 22:52 |
| rbrito | Nice to know, because many input methods don't take into account the two common keyboard layouts that we have here in Brazil: one is the "native" one (br abnt2) and another is "US intl". | 22:53 |
| berndhs | MSvB: they are waiting for you to read the Maliit stuff, they know :) | 22:53 |
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| MSvB | berndhs: Huh? I don't see anything about Mailiit, maybe my IRC client is defective? | 22:54 |
| rbrito | On a "regular" Linux distribution, it is a pain to tell that I *really* want the US intl layout with an accent (') + c to produce รง, instead of an accented slavic c. | 22:54 |
| rbrito | I think that I will post on planet.debian.org about this... | 22:54 |
| MSvB | Okay there seems to be exactly one person (besides me) in that room now, don't know whats wrong. | 22:54 |
| rbrito | Not only this, but this huge gotcha that you guys helped me to understand (the back cover of the n900 has to be attached for the SD card to be mounted---a stupid detail that many more experienced people would miss). | 22:55 |
| MSvB | Good night folks happy chatting. | 22:56 |
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| rbrito | Just registering myself at http://meego.com/ | 22:59 |
| rbrito | I hope to be able to help with some not so mature points... :-) | 22:59 |
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