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| Venemo | MohammadAG, android? srsly? | 00:28 |
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| trumee | Does N9/N950 support sip/google talk/skype video calls? | 00:28 |
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| alterego | trumee: not sure about video calls, we'll have to wait and see | 00:30 |
| trumee | alterego: couldnt find any info on voip capabilities of the phone | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, ignore that, I came to my senses | 00:32 |
| * trumee hopes that this bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388) is fixed in harmattan | 00:32 | |
| povbot | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 00:32 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 tri, Low, ---, janne.hietamaki, CLOS WONTFIX, Support blocked field for test results | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype is rather questionable | 00:33 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG :) | 00:34 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: questionable? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware skype is closed and highly proprietary, and been recently bought out by M$ | 00:34 |
| niala | oooh funny ctrl+wheel zoom text in qtcreator editor... | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | M$ maybe doesn't like to support meego | 00:35 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: sip/google talk video calls will be enough to keep me happy | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd bet some coins on SIP | 00:36 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: also badly need this, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 | 00:37 |
| povbot | Bug 3063: SIP Voice Mail message notification | 00:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 enh, High, 1.0.80.15, tomas.junnonen, VERI READYFORINTEGRATION, [FEA] Meego touch framework - Notification | 00:37 |
| Venemo | I have a stupid question. How can I upload a pic to appear next to my name on the MeeGo forum? I uploaded a profile picture to my account, but it doesn't appear in the forum. | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: that's indeed bad. But then otoh I've seen sipgate drop MWI support | 00:38 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i am running my own * server. MWI is essential | 00:38 |
| sumanah | DawnFoster: fyi I'm inputting my notes from your OSBridge talk at http://opensourcebridge.org/2011/wiki/Online_Community_Metrics:_Tips_and_Techniques_for_Measuring_Participation#Contributed_notes | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: seems providers adopt email notification and web frontends for MWI | 00:38 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: looks like not going to happen, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 | 00:39 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 8278 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Message Waiting indication for SIP | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: I'd like to see MWI support as well, just saying... | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | been a fair bit involved in twinlephone development, I'm not too excited about telepathy sofiasip or whatever it's called today | 00:41 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: yeah, twinklephone works great. | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the sip stack been designed by a contributor to relevant VoIP IETF RFCs it seems | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | on sip providers and their tech folks it's considered reference quality for the sip implementation | 00:44 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: other day i had a play with cSipSimple on android, it has nice functionality too. | 00:44 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: There are a few Freeswitch developers who have android phones, so sip works quite well on android | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, I see | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, twinklephone was a fallout of michel de boer evaluating certain aspects of sip server implementations | 00:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: he seems to have abandoned it now. Qt4 port was never made. | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt4 port is hard, the program logic is exploiting qt3 aspects that don't map to qt4 | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that'd be a complete rewrite of the GUI | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and michel *hates* gui development ;-) | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so twinkle is in a limbo state now | 00:50 |
| berndhs | hey the timing is right, skip Qt4 go to Qt5 in a few months | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm not feeling like doing that either | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: good call :-) | 00:51 |
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| w00t | learn Qt 4, and pretty much all of it will apply to Qt 5 | 00:53 |
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| w00t | the APIs aren't changing | 00:54 |
| w00t | (except in rare cases) | 00:54 |
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| berndhs | i can almost build qt5 | 00:54 |
| * w00t has a checkout on his laptop | 00:55 | |
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| w00t | I'm still basing patches on Qt 4.8 for the moment though, since that's what I've got stuff built against - and thankfully I'm pretty much the only one working in my area right now | 00:55 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what kind of GUI development is that? I might be able to help, | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: twinkle? | 01:00 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what is twinkle? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: twinklephone has a qt3 GUI, and the way qt3 is used makes it hard to port that to qt4 | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | www.twinklephone.com | 01:02 |
| berndhs | http://www.twinklephone.com/ | 01:02 |
| berndhs | its in fedora main repo | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: sth along mutex aiui | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | twinkle uses mutex to safe GUI actions, and on qt4 this results in deadlocks. Something like that | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: seems michel found a rather unusual way to weld the qt-based GUI to the core | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and this unusual way doesn't scale / port well to qt4 | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure if I got the bits together right, it's quite a few years ago since twinkle active development | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when exactly been Qt4 released? | 01:06 |
| w00t | ~6-7 years ago | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:07 |
| w00t | june 2005 | 01:07 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | well >>Version 1.4.2 has been released on February 25, 2009<< | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | of twinklephone | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's been it for twinkle I guess | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: if you're seriously interested in tackling that issue with qt4 and twinkle, you probably should read the ML archives at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp those of Michel deBoer | 01:12 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, it seems like the kind of GUI which you can click together in Qt Designer in a few minutes :) | 01:34 |
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| Venemo | good night | 01:36 |
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| * CosmoHill has had hicups for about 5 hours | 01:55 | |
| TSCHAKeee | take a deep breath | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | then slowly exhale | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | all of it out | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | all of it | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | to the breaking point | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | then slowly let air back in | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | back out, all of it | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | do it slowly. | 01:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | and concentrate on doing it slowly | 01:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | this will prevent the diaphragm spasms | 01:57 |
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| CosmoHill | hey they've gone | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | thanks TSCHAKeee :D | 02:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | no problem :) | 02:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're welcome :) | 02:01 |
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| crope | I installed CSSU to my N900 and no I have big problems with GPS... | 02:08 |
| crope | very hard to get fix | 02:08 |
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| BlueAidan | anyone know how to enable the crystalhd plugin in gstreamer? I've got it installed, but not sure what to put in the video section of gstreamer-properties | 02:10 |
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| niala | gnight | 02:20 |
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| Damion3 | night | 02:24 |
| Damion3 | not me btw | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG | crope, CSSU doesn't change GPS libs, or anything related to GPS | 02:36 |
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| MohammadAG | and this isn't the right channel for that | 02:37 |
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| Damion3 | has anyone had issues with the wifi on the n950? | 02:53 |
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| Elleo | Damion3: I remember noticing a bug listed in the firmware notes about intermittent connectivity problems with wpa2 access points | 03:01 |
| Elleo | Damion3: I don't know if it's the same issue the n900 has (which can be solved by turning down the power saving settings for that connection) | 03:01 |
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| Damion3 | Elleo: I'll try, thanks | 03:07 |
| Damion3 | it's very intermittant | 03:07 |
| Elleo | yeah, so was the issue on the n900 | 03:07 |
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| Elleo | I don't know how you'd change those settings under Harmattan, but with Maemo it was a matter of doing something like Settings -> Connections -> Select the specific AP name -> Options -> Advanced -> Power and changing to 'medium' instead of 'maximum' power saving | 03:08 |
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| Elleo | the exact words in the release notes are: "WLAN data transfer may stall off and on with WPA2/AES encryption." | 03:09 |
| Elleo | unfortunately it doesn't give a bug number | 03:09 |
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| Damion3 | it seemed better yesterday | 03:11 |
| Damion3 | my ssh connection was really bad and I wondered it it lacks enough entropy | 03:11 |
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| Damion3 | hmm, after a reboot and also turning off power saving it's working | 03:23 |
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| Damion3 | there isn't an advanced power saving option in wifi settings (yet) | 03:24 |
| Damion3 | there is a general phone power saving | 03:24 |
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| Damion3 | I got ace-solitair (x86), the i386 binary X11 app working with qemu-i386 user mode | 03:25 |
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| Bruns | k | 03:37 |
| Termana | morning | 03:37 |
| Bruns | i need to figure out a way to put meego on my droid incredible | 03:37 |
| Bruns | because im about to rip my hair out of my skull | 03:38 |
| Bruns | ive rooted the droid multiple times and had to get it replaced because each time it was stolen or some shit, but now i cant root it. so i thought id give meego a shot | 03:38 |
| Bruns | has anyone tried putting it on an adroid? | 03:38 |
| Bruns | ternana: any suggestions? | 03:39 |
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| ShadowJK | can't root it? why | 04:03 |
| Damion3 | if you can root it you won't be able to get meego on it | 04:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Damion3, you mean if you can't | 04:11 |
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| Damion3 | yeah can't | 04:13 |
| Damion3 | weird, I remember the ' char | 04:13 |
| berndhs | even if you do, it's not going to helpw ith people stealing it | 04:14 |
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| Bruns | damion3 | 06:17 |
| Bruns | i rooted the phone | 06:17 |
| Bruns | now how do i get meego on it? | 06:18 |
| Ken-Young | Bruns, What kind of phone? | 06:18 |
| Bruns | incredible | 06:18 |
| Bruns | ken-young | 06:19 |
| Ken-Young | Bruns, Oh, sorry. I'm afraid I can't help you. | 06:21 |
| Bruns | awh :( | 06:21 |
| Bruns | ken-young: do you know if it has been done? | 06:21 |
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| Ken-Young | Bruns, No, I've never heard of that having been done. I'd be surprised if it had. | 06:46 |
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| thp | Bruns: on the meego wiki there are some porting efforts to other android devices documented. unfortunately, most were not successful because of missing drivers afaiui | 09:19 |
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| thp | Bruns: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 09:20 |
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| mcfrisk | Hello | 10:39 |
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| mcfrisk | How to rsync from meego.com repos? | 10:39 |
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| mcfrisk | I'm interested in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.3.20110607.2/repos/ | 10:39 |
| mcfrisk | but it's no longer available from rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors/meego/ | 10:39 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:44 |
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| lbt | morning Jaffa | 10:45 |
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| Termana | morning Jaffa and lbt | 10:48 |
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| slaine | Congrats on the n950 Jaffa and lbt | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | slaine: Thanks | 10:52 |
| slaine | Looking forward to seeing your porting progress :) | 10:52 |
| arfoll | anyone else getting "HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error" all the time on public OBS? | 10:53 |
| * alterego yawns | 10:54 | |
| Termana | morning slaine and alterego | 10:55 |
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| slaine | Morning Termana | 10:56 |
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| slaine | I think I should put some coffee on | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | arfoll: I noticed some problems *inside* the page (rendering X(HT)ML error pages) | 10:56 |
| * slaine yawns and stretches | 10:56 | |
| Jaffa | arfoll: X-Fade should be aware (*poke*) | 10:56 |
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| arfoll | Jaffa, thanks I was wondering wether my dodgy wifi was not the source | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | arfoll: That was at 22:00 UTC last night, so it might have fixed itself (and this is something different) or got worse. | 10:58 |
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| alterego | I could do with some coffee. | 10:58 |
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| * Jaffa was trying to flesh out http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS which was tricky with having to refresh each page | 10:58 | |
| * arfoll is failing every osc co, web interface seems to accept files every so often | 10:59 | |
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| Jaffa | arfoll: OK, it's definitely worse then, I didn't have any problems with ci's yesterday | 11:05 |
| lbt | Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 11:06 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Is it best practice to have package.tar.gz or package_version.tar.gz? The former seems easier to manage and there's the built-in version control, but everything seems to follow the latter... | 11:10 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: I suspect it depends if you're maintaining or developing | 11:11 |
| lbt | automation is easier without _version | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Let's assume developing | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Indeed. | 11:12 |
| lbt | I prefer without _version | 11:12 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: I didn't want to make mud2 <http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15> leave it off if that's a fatal faux-pas ;-) | 11:12 |
| lbt | interesting... | 11:13 |
| lbt | add : Upload ../project-build-mud/fremantle/ to the meego.com OBS | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Well, X-Fade's doing harmattan first. Once the meego.com OBS supports fremantle, absolutely :-) | 11:16 |
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| ZrZ | hi i think obs is wreck now | 11:16 |
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| lbt | so long as it's on the 'todo' list (for the roadmap) | 11:17 |
| ZrZ | it worked yesterday | 11:17 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Added it | 11:19 |
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| ZrZ | ok | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: AFAICT, if build.pub.meego.com gets Fremantle support, we would require two different packages (or projects) unless we can make two dscs which the different targets differentiate. | 11:20 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: we can do that | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Cool - so a <package>.fremantle.dsc and a <package>.harmattan.dsc? | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | lbt: That'd be good cos then mud2 can stick everything in the same place, which can be the osc checkout dir | 11:25 |
| lbt | yep | 11:25 |
| lbt | (on call so not 100% here) | 11:25 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Added note about that to a 'Roadmap' item on there. | 11:32 |
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| lbt | I think the OBS already has something to to that - not sure of the syntax | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | probably a prjconf could filter it. | 11:34 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: I am pretty sure there's a dsc selection filter based on target name or something | 11:40 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: also, you had a couple of Apps tasks for me for today/tomorrow | 11:41 |
| khertan | Morning | 11:41 |
| lbt | hi khertan | 11:41 |
| khertan | 'ning lbt | 11:42 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: X-Fade: BTW, is Spectacle something which would be done on OBS or ahead of uploading to produce the .spec file? | 11:43 |
| lbt | ahead | 11:44 |
| lbt | but you must upload the yaml if you used one | 11:44 |
| lbt | and we re-run specify to verify the yaml matches the spec | 11:44 |
| lbt | (for CE, I guess we don't care for Apps) | 11:44 |
| lbt | OBS doesn't know about yaml | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | OK | 11:46 |
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| bkalinga | i opened settings in my tablet running inside Xephyr | 11:47 |
| bkalinga | now how can i close that | 11:48 |
| bkalinga | i want to navigate to Home screen but not finding a way to exit from this settings | 11:48 |
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| Jaffa | bkalinga: ExoPC? Tap the proximity sensor at the top-left | 11:51 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:54 |
| bkalinga | Jaffa: a tablet image running using Xephyr | 11:54 |
| bkalinga | meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.5.20110621.5.img | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | bkalinga: Oh yeah - sorry I saw Xephyr | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | bkalinga: Escape key? | 11:54 |
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| bkalinga | jaffa: that does not work | 11:55 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:37 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: morning | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | lardman: How's your home Internet going? | 12:50 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 12:51 |
| lardman | nothing at home still | 12:51 |
| lardman | 4th of July apparently | 12:51 |
| lardman | any news on devkits? | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | you're on the list i think | 12:52 |
| Termana | lardman, first round list released | 12:52 |
| hell | lardman: first round is over | 12:52 |
| hell | lardman: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia - search thru list | 12:53 |
| lardman | thanks hell | 12:54 |
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| lardman | yay, I'm on the list :) | 12:54 |
| ZrZ | i am not :( | 12:55 |
| ZrZ | will there be a 2d round ? | 12:56 |
| thiago | nor I | 12:56 |
| hell | ZrZ: about 400 people are not in list yet))) | 12:56 |
| hell | ZrZ: still in progress | 12:56 |
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| LunohoD | I'm not on the list too | 12:56 |
| vvaltone | "You will receive an email with instructions..." So... what do they have to sacrifice? | 12:56 |
| LunohoD | oh, wait. i did not submit my proposal... | 12:57 |
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| vvaltone | "Inorder to get your phone, you will have to buy a Windows 7 Phone" | 12:57 |
| Termana | thiago, hmm... aren't you a Nokia employee? | 12:57 |
| thiago | Termana: not anymore | 12:57 |
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| hell | LunohoD: there is a russian-ukrain drama in forum) http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24159&postcount=169 | 12:58 |
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| Termana | Why doesn't this surprise me? | 13:00 |
| LunohoD | hell: lulz | 13:01 |
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| Ans5i | yep | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | khertan: the definition of "sentence" is usually one line, not a long set of bullet points. Put the bullets on http://wiki.meego.com/User:Khertan or somewhere ;-) | 13:04 |
| khertan | Jaffa: oh ... sorry i think it was better for readeability | 13:08 |
| khertan | Add here one line of text ... <- indeed ... the n900 screen is too small :) | 13:09 |
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| vvaltone | Inline bullet points, ftw | 13:10 |
| khertan | Jaffa: refined | 13:12 |
| khertan | thx for notifying it me | 13:12 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: No probs - other people could copy and make the whole page harder to read. | 13:14 |
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| khertan | Jaffa: indeed ... even if i found it easiest to read ... it s a point of view .. i follow the rule :) | 13:17 |
| khertan | s/easiest/easier | 13:17 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: Not following the rules will get your name removed from The List ;-) | 13:18 |
| khertan | hi hi | 13:19 |
| khertan | no !!!!! my Willie Wonka's Golden Ticket !!!! | 13:19 |
| khertan | :) | 13:19 |
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| khertan | it s a micro sim, isn't it ? (i mean on the sim slot on n950 ?) | 13:20 |
| lardman | yeah I remember reading that | 13:21 |
| Termana | khertan, no | 13:21 |
| lardman | do the providers happily give out uSims? | 13:21 |
| Termana | not on the N950 | 13:21 |
| lardman | ah that's for the N9 then? | 13:21 |
| Termana | yes | 13:21 |
| vvaltone | a full sdcard on n950? | 13:21 |
| Termana | only miniSIM on the N950 (normal sim) | 13:21 |
| vvaltone | oh.. sims | 13:21 |
| vvaltone | lardman, perhaps that's the joke, then they say that they didn't see any registered on any mobile network | 13:22 |
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| Venemo | thiago, you quit? :O | 13:24 |
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| thiago | Venemo: yes | 13:36 |
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| Venemo | thiago, I'm a bit surprised, but I think I can understand why | 13:38 |
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| berndhs | thiago: going anywhere in particular ? | 13:44 |
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| thiago | Intel | 13:46 |
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| berndhs | good for Intel | 13:47 |
| mardy | thiago: congrats! I hope you'll continue working on Qt? | 13:47 |
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| thiago | mardy: yes | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | thiago, good luck in your new adventures at intel :) | 13:58 |
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| Venemo | thiago, then this is Intel's lucky day :) | 14:04 |
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| thiago | unfortunately pending my visa | 14:08 |
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| thiago | last time, it was one week delayed for me, 4 months for a friend | 14:09 |
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| w00t | thiago: ehh.. that hasn't been solved yet? | 14:09 |
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| thiago | w00t: no, unfortunately Intel doesn't have the backdoors that Nokia did | 14:11 |
| thiago | so I have to wait the regular amount of time | 14:11 |
| w00t | you'd better not get deported, i'll be so disappointed if i can't come visit you :-) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | thiago: relocating to the US then? | 14:12 |
| hell | thiago: you relocate? | 14:13 |
| hell | heh. | 14:13 |
| thiago | no, Norway visa | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | ah | 14:13 |
| thiago | it should be a simple update of my current visa, but it takes time | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey Stskeeps|holiday :-D | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | moo | 14:18 |
| hell | thiago: so, you waiting it outside EU? | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | khertan: lardman: N950 has standard SIM | 14:19 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: yep saw that, thanks | 14:19 |
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| thiago | hell: I'm in Norway | 14:22 |
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| MiskaX | thiago: great news! ;) | 14:23 |
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| omcfadde | thiago: visa/residence permit is never simple. I'm already starting to put aside some money for lawyer fees | 14:29 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer: thx for the info | 14:30 |
| omcfadde | easiest way is "here is the paperwork, here are my details, and here's a large heap of 100 euro bills. go to work!" | 14:30 |
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| thiago | omcfadde: that's taken care of | 14:32 |
| omcfadde | thiago: ah, nice :) | 14:32 |
| berndhs | bureaucratic paperwork needs to be properly aged | 14:32 |
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| omcfadde | berndhs: heh, maybe I should print my application on recycled newsprint or something ;) | 14:42 |
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| smoku | omcfadde: is it still worth it? | 14:49 |
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| omcfadde | smoku: not sure what you mean? still worth staying in Helsinki? absolutely! | 14:50 |
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| smoku | n.md. - I got an impression that you are talking about USA | 14:50 |
| smoku | ;-) | 14:50 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: my bh-214 works at least. | 14:51 |
| omcfadde | ah! yeah, I guess the process sucks everywhere :p | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | Hehe -EWINDOW :) | 14:51 |
| alterego | :D | 14:51 |
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| Glaxi | hi | 14:52 |
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| Venemo | bergie, if you are interested still, please look at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24198#post24198 :) | 15:02 |
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| TheBootroo | hello | 15:06 |
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| TheBootroo | did someone here already received a devkit email? or more : the device ? | 15:08 |
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| bergie | Venemo: replied | 15:14 |
| hell | hm. second round will add some more grey hair on my head) | 15:16 |
| hell | waiting is paain. | 15:16 |
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| Venemo | bergie, thank you :) | 15:18 |
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| Venemo | brb | 15:19 |
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| MohammadAG | are there any examples for status menu applets? | 15:37 |
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| motafoca | anyone managed to compile the meego kernel? i downloaded it and have like 50 patches, but some dont apply, probably the order is wrong, how can i check the patching order? | 16:23 |
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| Termana | motafoca, are you manually applying the patches or using quilt? | 16:24 |
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| motafoca | manually applying | 16:25 |
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| motafoca | never trid quilt | 16:25 |
| motafoca | let me see | 16:25 |
| Termana | motafoca, use quilt or look in one of the files (can't remember it's exact name) and it will show you the patching order | 16:25 |
| motafoca | Termana, ok, just a sec :) | 16:27 |
| Termana | motafoca, kernel.spec I think | 16:27 |
| motafoca | Termana, i saw that, but how to use it? | 16:28 |
| gabrbedd | motofoca: You say you downloaded the meego kernel.... from where? The .src.rpm? | 16:29 |
| motafoca | yeah | 16:29 |
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| motafoca | but i extracted it using alien | 16:30 |
| motafoca | .src.rpm .. | 16:30 |
| motafoca | changed it to tgz | 16:30 |
| motafoca | then extracted | 16:30 |
| Termana | hmm, are you sure that one doesn't already have the patches applied? | 16:30 |
| motafoca | yes | 16:31 |
| gabrbedd | motafoca: Have you read this page? http://wiki.meego.com/Tips_on_compiling_and_packaging_kernels_in_MeeGo | 16:31 |
| motafoca | i applied the patch-2.6.31 | 16:31 |
| motafoca | it worked | 16:31 |
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| motafoca | but all the morestown stuf is missing | 16:31 |
| gabrbedd | motafoca: BTW, it's not uncommon for the .src.rpm package to have patches that it does not use. You'll need to consult the .spec file to see which ones are used (and in which order). | 16:32 |
| motafoca | gabrbedd, thanks for the link, i think it will solve it | 16:32 |
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| Termana | otherwise, to use the kernel.spec file in a manual fashion you just go through it and look for all the lines labelled "PatchNUM" with NUM being an incremented number from the first one like it and patch it in that order | 16:32 |
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| gabrbedd | Also, I think the .src.rpm includes a `series` file that makes using quilt MUCH easier. I think they also keep it in sync with the .spec. | 16:34 |
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| hesetys | n900 online help pag sems to be convertd to redirect to n9 add page.. "nice" product suppoet from nokia :( | 16:35 |
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| hesetys | s/add/ad/ | 16:35 |
| infobot | hesetys meant: n900 online help pag sems to be convertd to redirect to n9 ad page.. "nice" product suppoet from nokia :( | 16:35 |
| motafoca | Termana, yeah, worst case ill grep that spec and do a script :) | 16:38 |
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| motafoca | thanks | 16:39 |
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| gabrbedd | motafoca: grep -E "^(Patch|%patch)" kernel.spec | 16:43 |
| gabrbedd | The order is determined by the %patch lines | 16:44 |
| gabrbedd | The file names by the Patch lines | 16:44 |
| gabrbedd | they map PatchNNN ==> %patchNNN | 16:44 |
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| motafoca | yeah thans | 16:46 |
| motafoca | :) | 16:46 |
| motafoca | almost finished the script | 16:46 |
| motafoca | simple grep with cut did the job | 16:46 |
| motafoca | finishing the for | 16:47 |
| motafoca | worked | 16:47 |
| motafoca | done i guess | 16:47 |
| motafoca | patched | 16:48 |
| motafoca | ;) | 16:48 |
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| * ZrZ http://rzr.online.fr/q/gl#: neheglqt : NeHe #3D #OpenGl demos PorteD to #qt4 , plz test them on #MobilE #DevicE , FeedBack PatcheS WelcomE | 18:13 | |
| thiago | what's that? | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | broken shift button, for sure. | 18:14 |
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| Ans5i | ..but nehe is great. | 18:19 |
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| w00t | my hand hurts when I try write like that :-) | 18:21 |
| ZrZ | i just build a rpm for meego | 18:21 |
| Tuju | write? i've pain while reading. | 18:22 |
| ZrZ | :) | 18:22 |
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| andyross | (reading scrollback) you can write ... text? With your hands? Nonsense. | 19:10 |
| araujo | Hello guys, | 19:11 |
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| lcuk | andyross, try doing handwriting from your keyboard | 19:11 |
| lcuk | araujo, hi | 19:11 |
| lcuk | i heard about lmt | 19:11 |
| araujo | I notice they have just removed libmeegotouch, together with all meegotouch packages from Trunk now? | 19:11 |
| araujo | Do we have an announcement about that? | 19:12 |
| araujo | hi lcuk | 19:12 |
| lcuk | araujo, what effect does that actually have | 19:12 |
| lcuk | i just saw an email about it | 19:12 |
| jonnor | lcuk: where is the email? | 19:12 |
| * andyross noticed that too, and had to move a few packages into a 1.2:oss branch, which is probably where they should have been. | 19:12 | |
| frals | lcuk: it was the SR from meego-commits i assume lcuk? | 19:12 |
| araujo | lcuk, it'd be nice ot have an announcement in advance | 19:13 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-June/030779.html | 19:13 |
| lcuk | yes frals | 19:13 |
| andre__ | commits doesn't count. real mailing lists would be welcome. | 19:13 |
| frals | andre__: ha, thats not how things are done here ;-) | 19:13 |
| lcuk | and araujo agreed, but wasnt there quite some discussion over recent weeks? | 19:13 |
| jonnor | lcuk: for Maliit we have had LMT free packages in Trunk:Testing for some weeks now, but noone has integrated it yet | 19:13 |
| araujo | well... I received the commit email, of course, but that doesn't count as an announcement :P | 19:13 |
| lcuk | jonnor, is that what araujo is following on? | 19:13 |
| jonnor | lcuk: what do you mean? | 19:14 |
| andre__ | frals, yeah, it's meego :) | 19:14 |
| araujo | lcuk, discussion over recent weeks about what? | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'." | 19:14 |
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| araujo | we all know LMT would be soon removed, but I didn't know it was going to happen today like this.... | 19:14 |
| jonnor | no decision was annoucnced that lmt will be removed today, as I have seen | 19:14 |
| lcuk | araujo, chatter about libmeegotouch | 19:14 |
| frals | andre__: if you are lucky, some rabid person will send a mail to meego-dev "we decided to drop x, y and z. we are replacing it with a, b and c which needs a lot of work to come close in features" ;) | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | frals, being rabid at least shows some passion :P | 19:15 |
| lcuk | it takes energy to foam at the mouth | 19:15 |
| andyross | And related: do any OBS experts know why my personal MeeGo:1.2:oss branch repo hasn't published? Is there some magic I need to do to make the packages appear on download.meego.com? | 19:15 |
| frals | lcuk: ye :) | 19:15 |
| andre__ | I think I slowly lose confidence that MeeGo will get it right (=open). Might be just today though, a day with enough tension so far... | 19:15 |
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| araujo | and about the effects, well, right now there are many packages in OBS with unresolvable deps | 19:16 |
| lcuk | andre__, I am recently easing tension with football | 19:16 |
| araujo | andyross, did you enable the publish flags? | 19:16 |
| andyross | Heh, indeed. Magic. :) | 19:17 |
| andre__ | lcuk: damn, how productive. I just take lots of drugs and hit the streets with guns etc ;-) | 19:17 |
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| pierce | andyross: publish flags always throw me off :-) "wheres my damn package, it says it built successfully!" every single time | 19:19 |
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| tomeu | andre__: I think that's what he was referring with "football" :p | 19:19 |
| andre__ | :-D | 19:20 |
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| peterbjornx | i HATE nokia | 21:29 |
| peterbjornx | i sent my n900 in for repair and they give me the n8 | 21:30 |
| peterbjornx | what a sorry excuse for a smartphone | 21:30 |
| X-Fade | peterbjornx: And you join this channel, why? | 21:30 |
| peterbjornx | any chance on getting a stripped down maemo or meego on it? | 21:30 |
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| X-Fade | no | 21:30 |
| peterbjornx | why not | 21:31 |
| X-Fade | different cpu, basically lower power stuff all around. | 21:31 |
| peterbjornx | with stripped down i mean , kernel + GNU tools + Xorg + simple WM + deb packages | 21:31 |
| peterbjornx | *dpkg | 21:31 |
| X-Fade | And locked bootloader :) | 21:31 |
| peterbjornx | do they still do that | 21:32 |
| peterbjornx | now im srsly considering selling it and buying another N900 | 21:32 |
| CosmoHill | peterbjornx: phone them up and tell them you want a n900 | 21:32 |
| peterbjornx | i asked for one at the shop, they said, were sorry those aint made anymore, heres your N8 | 21:33 |
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| peterbjornx | be thankful for it cause you got a pricy new phone | 21:33 |
| peterbjornx | i then asked for my n900 back they said nokia destroyed it | 21:33 |
| Mirv | that's unfortunately true, N900 isn't made any more. but N8 is indeed worth something... although not quite enough for a N9 pre-order where you could actually have MeeGo :) | 21:33 |
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| peterbjornx | how much will n9 cost when its in stores | 21:34 |
| peterbjornx | any guesses? | 21:34 |
| Mirv | depends if in $ or €, but I guess it's for example ca. 550€ at start | 21:34 |
| peterbjornx | well | 21:34 |
| thiago | probably as expensive as the N8 | 21:34 |
| thiago | possibly more | 21:34 |
| peterbjornx | and day-value of a N8 with 2 months of warranty | 21:34 |
| Mirv | N8 is a lot less expensive | 21:34 |
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| peterbjornx | they sell it for E500 there | 21:35 |
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| Mirv | anyway http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 <- CE is supposed to extend to N9 next | 21:35 |
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| Mirv | of course it needs people to do it, but starting obviously with packaging the harmattan kernel to MeeGo community OBS | 21:35 |
| peterbjornx | but, how much do you think a N8 will sell for on ebay | 21:36 |
| peterbjornx | its only got 2 months warranty and it didnt come with manuals and a box | 21:36 |
| pierce | peterbjornx: I'm seeing some for 412usd | 21:37 |
| pierce | some up to around 450 | 21:37 |
| peterbjornx | what'd be a better plan, go for a N9 and invest some 250 euros, buy a old N900 or keep the N8 | 21:38 |
| peterbjornx | would people care about the warranty? | 21:38 |
| pierce | N9 is going to change everything | 21:38 |
| pierce | better hold out for that | 21:38 |
| peterbjornx | how "open" will it be | 21:38 |
| Mirv | I'd say N9, not simply because it's the fanciest device, but because N900:s start to be rare and their USB connector is a bit shaky. keeping N8 you don't gain much (...if you're interested in MeeGo) | 21:38 |
| peterbjornx | just like n900? | 21:38 |
| peterbjornx | it was the usb connector why i sent it in for repairs | 21:39 |
| Mirv | peterbjornx: well the shipping firmware is a combination of proprietary and open stuff, but the MeeGo Community Edition for it will be ~99% open (ie. only drivers et cetera) | 21:39 |
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| peterbjornx | i was talking more about software restrictions | 21:40 |
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| Mirv | well you can root it and flash it AFAIK, ie. totally change the software - zero restrictions per se | 21:40 |
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| Mirv | and with the default software you can play around freely also in the system which is Harmattan based (deb packaging) | 21:41 |
| Mirv | for apps, you can target both the default people will be using and real MeeGo at the same time, since both have the same Qt for apps | 21:41 |
| peterbjornx | and, do you think i have any chance of selling it for a reasonable price with only 2 months of warranty and no box and manuals? | 21:41 |
| Mirv | I guess 2 months of warranty gives a lot more comfort to the buyer than 0 months | 21:42 |
| Mirv | so yes | 21:42 |
| peterbjornx | well i guess most on ebay have 1.5 years? | 21:42 |
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| peterbjornx | but the fact that this one is completely new will compensate i think | 21:43 |
| Mirv | well yes should help a lot as well | 21:43 |
| peterbjornx | i hate that i decided to send my n900 in | 21:43 |
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| Myrtti | ohai Mirv. | 21:44 |
| peterbjornx | was working on a manual "distro" in a flash partition that was based of maemo but with different shells and desktop env | 21:44 |
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| pierce | peterbjornx: so they wouldn't give it back to you? | 21:45 |
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| peterbjornx | nokia "destroyed" it | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | :@ | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | i lost my temper when the shop guy said that | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | is there any official indications on the N9 price yet? | 21:47 |
| peterbjornx | i dont want to end up selling my phone and not having enough money to buy it , as i probably wont have more than 200 euros to add to what i get for my N8 | 21:48 |
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| thiago | peterbjornx: check your local operators. They may have the price already. | 21:48 |
| thiago | peterbjornx: but expect it to be the N8 + some more money. | 21:49 |
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| Mirv | Myrtti: ohai! | 21:50 |
| w00t | DDP \o/ | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | w00t, \o/ | 21:51 |
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| CosmoHill | damn hicups, I keep getting them | 21:53 |
| Mirv | is this btw a known problem in the community OBS? "service daemon error: connect to store-vlan60.pub.in.meego.com:5152: Connection refused" | 21:53 |
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| X-Fade | Mirv: Hmm something needs kicking then. | 21:53 |
| peterbjornx | €465 voor de 16GB variant en €530 voor de 64GB variant. | 21:54 |
| peterbjornx | :O | 21:54 |
| peterbjornx | cheap | 21:54 |
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| Mirv | uu, cheaper than I thought. probably pricier here :P | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | nothing stops from buying abroad | 21:54 |
| peterbjornx | 660 dollars for the 16gig | 21:54 |
| peterbjornx | but thats 465 euros atm | 21:55 |
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| Myrtti | especially when the hardware solutions are the same and not limited to, for example, a certain hw keyboard layout | 21:55 |
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| X-Fade | peterbjornx: $ == Euro in these cases. | 21:55 |
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| peterbjornx | why? | 21:55 |
| timoph | that's how it usually is | 21:56 |
| X-Fade | That is always the case. With about any product. | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | of course, it doesn't stop Nokia from being an arsehole and limiting sw keyboard language versions to certain areas. | 21:56 |
| timoph | at least in .fi | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | or Swype. | 21:56 |
| timoph | and good evening :) | 21:56 |
| peterbjornx | well, im quoting 2 dutch e-magazines | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, add a plugin? | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | a plugin? | 21:56 |
| peterbjornx | or, modify the software to allow for diff languages | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | "modify swype" lol | 21:57 |
| peterbjornx | take some files from global images or UK images | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | let's see that happening | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | in a GAZILLION years | 21:57 |
| peterbjornx | probably all in config/data stores | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | sorry, I need to go wash my hair, sinuses and mind free from the hospice smell and despair | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, I was thinking Maliit | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, be well. :( | 21:58 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: I don't get Maliit | 21:59 |
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| Myrtti | ie. understand | 21:59 |
| Myrtti | I see the video on which the layout is being changed | 21:59 |
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| Myrtti | then I wonder how I can do that on my Exo, and stare at google search box for a while, before giving up | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikhas can probably illuminate if you can dig him up. | 22:00 |
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| Myrtti | aaanyway before I infect you all with my scepticism and tiredness, shower | 22:01 |
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| oilinki | I don't know if you agree, but here is my 2c http://www.sfonge.com/forum/topic/how-save-meego | 22:08 |
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| timoph | oilinki: what do you mean by "with nokia MeeGo will die"? | 22:10 |
| timoph | MeeGo != Nokia | 22:10 |
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| oilinki | timoph: nokia != meego can be true, but to meego really live it needs the end users | 22:11 |
| niala | blablabla | 22:11 |
| niala | m: meego need me :) | 22:12 |
| oilinki | and that needs an company with large customer base | 22:12 |
| timoph | intel isn't large enough? | 22:12 |
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| timoph | :) | 22:12 |
| oilinki | is it? | 22:12 |
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| thiago | and there are other companies too | 22:12 |
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| dm8tbr | intel is not in the devices business | 22:12 |
| timoph | yep | 22:12 |
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| oilinki | intel is an large company which makes products for other companies. | 22:13 |
| thiago | intel likes the device business very much as they're trying to sell to the device makres | 22:13 |
| oilinki | average user does not care which processor is in the device (actually does not have any idea of it) | 22:13 |
| thiago | right | 22:13 |
| thiago | that doesn't invalidate the argument though | 22:14 |
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| * gabrbedd steps in to #meego to find people beating dead horses. Then leaves. | 22:14 | |
| timoph | :D | 22:14 |
| oilinki | anyway. I just tried to find some solutions, how to get forward. | 22:14 |
| pierce | oilinki: if you think that intel is just a processor factory you have been misinformed :-) | 22:14 |
| Purduecer | hey guys, sorry to bother you, but perhaps somebody can find a quick answer to my question | 22:14 |
| bdub | This post would be more correct if, instead of saying "MeeGo", it said "The people working on MeeGo at Nokia." | 22:15 |
| timoph | Purduecer: fire away | 22:15 |
| andre__ | Purduecer, don't ask to ask, just ask :) | 22:15 |
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| Purduecer | I just grabbed Meego 1.2 for netbooks and installed it on a USB drive | 22:15 |
| gabrbedd | How to save MeeGo?? CREATE. | 22:15 |
| Purduecer | trying to do some work in the meego terminal | 22:15 |
| Purduecer | but... bash claims it can't find man... | 22:15 |
| noobmonk3y | bash only likes women..... | 22:15 |
| Purduecer | and, I'm unsure what Meego uses for package installation | 22:15 |
| timoph | :D | 22:15 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 22:15 |
| Purduecer | since it's apparently not apt-get | 22:15 |
| thiago | Purduecer: zypper | 22:15 |
| timoph | Purduecer: zypper | 22:16 |
| * timoph is slow | 22:16 | |
| Purduecer | cool, thanks | 22:16 |
| Purduecer | and, no man in the Meego distro? | 22:16 |
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| oilinki | so.. you don't agree what I wrote? then how to get forward in better way? | 22:16 |
| Purduecer | just --help or something? | 22:16 |
| thiago | oilinki: MeeGo, the project, doesn't need "saving". It could very well use more development, more devices running it, more applications. | 22:17 |
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| thiago | oilinki: but it's not in danger of dying, hence no need for saving. | 22:17 |
| gabrbedd | Purduecer: MeeGo has `man` -- but it's not installed by default. I think it's just `sudo zypper install man` and you're good to go. | 22:17 |
| Purduecer | great, thanks everyone! | 22:17 |
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| Purduecer | *signs off* | 22:17 |
| pierce | gabrbedd: Purduecer you also need manpages | 22:17 |
| thiago | oilinki: so I don't agree with what you wrote at all. | 22:18 |
| oilinki | thiago: how come it's not in danger of dying? I mean in scale of (mobile) symbian, android etc | 22:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm odd question... do you have to be registered on this nokia launchpad thing to be eligable for the n950? | 22:18 |
| gabrbedd | pierce: IIRC, there's several man pages already there... just no way to view thim. (That is for MeeGo <= 1.2) | 22:18 |
| pierce | oilinki: your assumption is that meego is another flavor of the month linux fork, which is not true | 22:18 |
| thiago | oilinki: MeeGo tablets is growing fine. MeeGo IVI and STBs are doing very well. In fact, we own the IVI industry. | 22:18 |
| thiago | oilinki: so it's not in danger of dying. | 22:18 |
| thiago | oilinki: true, we're not seeing much in the mobile (handset) segment, but what we need there is someone to commit to shipping a MeeGo device. | 22:19 |
| oilinki | pierce: please explain | 22:19 |
| pierce | oilinki: meego is just linux, everything in meego gets upstreamed to every other distro | 22:19 |
| thiago | oilinki: meanwhile, we keep it alive in the Community Edition. | 22:19 |
| pierce | oilinki: it's owned by the linux foundation | 22:19 |
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| lbt | thiago: congrats : I hope the change makes no real difference :) | 22:20 |
| oilinki | what I think is that in the future (actually already) there is huge need for mobile and laptop integration. like google is already doing. | 22:20 |
| oilinki | if I see an picture on my laptop, I wish to see it on my mobile as well.. without thinking when changing the device. | 22:21 |
| oilinki | these are just simple things. | 22:21 |
| oilinki | and if there is no meego on mobile, the laptop (or PC if you wish), can not work out. | 22:22 |
| bdub | oilinki: You're not making the distinction between MeeGo as a project (which has a lot of different contributors from a lot of different companies who can use it in a lot of different ways), and Nokia's handset as a product. | 22:22 |
| pierce | oilinki: all of these projects are related, that's how open source works | 22:22 |
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| thiago | oilinki: agreed. Lots of people are working hard on the "multi-screen" demo | 22:23 |
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| oilinki | bdub: no I'm not. also the end users do not care. they just want things to go forward. Today the message is - there is no MeeGo. And that message is pretty bad. | 22:23 |
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| oilinki | today feels like everythin is hanging in the cloud. It could go anywhere.. but the real direction is missing. | 22:24 |
| dm8tbr | bdub: btw thanks for coming back quickly to my query on bug 13516 | 22:24 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" | 22:24 |
| oilinki | therefore what Nokia's way to hang.. and way, is the worst thing. Some new directions would be needed. | 22:24 |
| * timoph thinks this conversation is going nowhere | 22:25 | |
| pierce | timoph: it's good exercise | 22:26 |
| pierce | "this tredmill is going nowhere" <-- same thing! | 22:26 |
| * dm8tbr prefers the nature, more variety | 22:26 | |
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| oilinki | timoph: could be so.. but then again there should be an direction and future for the mobile part as well. | 22:27 |
| pierce | dm8tbr: but that's where the bears live | 22:27 |
| thiago | oilinki: also, don't forget that the MeeGo team inside Nokia will continue to exist, researching what more can be done and maybe plotting a comeback. | 22:27 |
| thiago | oilinki: it will be just much smaller. | 22:27 |
| dm8tbr | pierce: yes, they make you run faster, that's for bonus ;) | 22:27 |
| oilinki | thiago: What I'm afraid that Nokia's Meego Team is really, really small compared to the ex-symbian and current WP7 team. | 22:28 |
| bdub | oilinki: My point is that the article is very incorrect in the way it treats MeeGo. MeeGo is a workgroup of the Linux Foundation, not an OS by Nokia. | 22:28 |
| thiago | oilinki: it will be | 22:28 |
| thiago | oilinki: no need to keep 7000 people (the size of the Symbian team) | 22:28 |
| oilinki | bdub: in that way yes. but what really matters at the moment, is the support from nokia. | 22:29 |
| timoph | yeah. they have been pretty open with the stategy change :) | 22:29 |
| timoph | so no need to guess | 22:29 |
| oilinki | and if nokia is let to slowly kill it's meego team.. then there will not be real meego anymore | 22:29 |
| thiago | oilinki: you're again forgetting all the other companies and individuals | 22:29 |
| timoph | oilinki: you're still confusing meego and nokia | 22:29 |
| thiago | MeeGo does not depend on Nokia. Never has. | 22:29 |
| gabrbedd | oilinki: that's bullshit. | 22:29 |
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| thiago | if Nokia lets its team die off, we'll feel its loss, but MeeGo will survive | 22:30 |
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| oilinki | I still think that without an major mobile company backup, there is no real concept and therefore a lot less growth with meego | 22:31 |
| gabrbedd | oilinki: Right now, there's a boat load of code being dumped into meego from Intel's OSTC | 22:31 |
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| oilinki | that's put in pc way. but really. how to go forward? | 22:31 |
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| pierce | oilinki: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/MeeGo#Companies_supporting_project | 22:31 |
| thiago | oilinki: so without a mobile company, we can't have MeeGo IVI? Why? | 22:32 |
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| thiago | oilinki: explain to me why Nokia is needed to make STBs successful. | 22:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | oilinki: MeeGo spreads across more verticals than just Handset, bro. | 22:33 |
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| Jaffa | thiago: IVI and STBs result in a very different community and offering, though. | 22:33 |
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| Jaffa | thiago: No-one has ever made IVI and STBs which are accepting - or successful - for third party developers; let alone "hobbyist" developers. | 22:33 |
| thiago | Jaffa: that is probably true | 22:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | meego could serve as an example | 22:35 |
| oilinki | someone needs to explain IVI and STB for me. | 22:35 |
| thiago | oilinki: no. You need to research them on your own before writing your posts. | 22:35 |
| dm8tbr | oilinki: you need a trip to the meego wiki to look them up maybe | 22:35 |
| dm8tbr | :> | 22:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | oilinki: no, we don't. go read. IVI = In-Vehicle-Entertainment... STB = Set Top Box. | 22:36 |
| pierce | *meego high five* | 22:36 |
| thiago | In-Vehicle Infotainment, Set-Top Boxes | 22:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | oilinki: we do not appreciate people who thinks things are owed to them "just because" | 22:36 |
| oilinki | TSCHAKeee: thanks for the explanation | 22:37 |
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| oilinki | and thiago as well | 22:38 |
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| oilinki | I wish not so step on your feets. | 22:39 |
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| oilinki | and I do know that I do not hold the knowledge I should for coding. | 22:40 |
| thiago | you're welcome to help | 22:40 |
| thiago | but you need to do your own research first | 22:40 |
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| oilinki | But at the same time I wish not to see Nokia (or other mobile companies) to let Meego go to the 'nice but useless bin' | 22:41 |
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| oilinki | So, how to do with Nokia? | 22:43 |
| thiago | I agree | 22:43 |
| oilinki | it has been the major company behind meego. even if it let it down. | 22:43 |
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| thiago | Nokia will continue to have a division which is the rightful heir of MeeGo | 22:43 |
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| thiago | it will be much smaller than it is today, but it will continue researching and experimenting with technologies | 22:44 |
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| thiago | Nokia wants to avoid being caught with its pants down again (like the iPhone was), so this unit may produce something interesting. We just don't know. | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | it is becoming as i suspected, an R&D tank. | 22:45 |
| thiago | then there's all the talk of "internet for the next billion" | 22:45 |
| oilinki | internet for the next billion is likely to be with s40 still | 22:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | if my spidey sense is correct, i suspect it may go like this, Meego division comes up with an idea, the Windows Phone division copies it and put it in consumer devices. but that's just speculation. | 22:46 |
| pierce | I want to see a MeeGo visor vertical :-D team up with vuzix or something | 22:46 |
| pierce | http://www.vuzix.com/ar/ | 22:47 |
| thiago | oilinki: Nokia has not revealed what that would be, so that's just speculation right now. | 22:47 |
| oilinki | here in thailand, the cheapest phones (checked today at the supermarket) are about 12 euros. | 22:47 |
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| thiago | oilinki: with or without a subscription plan? | 22:48 |
| oilinki | if nokia has to pay 5-7 euros to microsoft.. they can not beat that price | 22:48 |
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| thiago | microsoft is only the smartphone (high-end) segment | 22:48 |
| oilinki | thiago: yes. from the shelve. some nokia model, did not check it better. | 22:48 |
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| oilinki | previously there has been a long time an segment for 20-30 euros phones. with 100 euros you get an chinese copy of some phones with touch screen, tv, radio, wlan etc. etc. funny toys. | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | thiago, i think microsoft do something other than smartphones | 22:52 |
| lcuk | but I cannot quite put my finger on it | 22:53 |
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| timoph | lcuk: o/ | 22:53 |
| lcuk | oh hi timoph \o | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | congrats! :D | 22:53 |
| thiago | i | 22:53 |
| timoph | thanks. you too :) | 22:53 |
| thiago | hi | 22:53 |
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| MiskaX | kind of funny, when i joined nokia i was working on STBs | 22:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: congrats! :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | I have just been talking to mja_fin (meego guy from Manchester) who has a great qt multitouch game that he has tested on harmattan sdk but he hasn't been on the device program yet | 22:54 |
| lcuk | strange because of how active around meego forums he is! | 22:54 |
| timoph | lcuk: are the sources somewhere in public? | 22:55 |
| * timoph wants to try | 22:56 | |
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| lcuk | timoph, I think so, he spoke about OSS and gitorious last time we got together | 22:56 |
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| timoph | lcuk: do you remember the project's name? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | i just asked him | 22:58 |
| timoph | :) | 22:58 |
| lcuk | will let you know | 22:58 |
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| timoph | thanks | 22:58 |
| lcuk | timoph, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24311#post24311 | 22:59 |
| timoph | ah. that one | 22:59 |
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| timoph | I actually already tried it :) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | heh I didn't have a multitouch device to try it on | 23:00 |
| timoph | the lack of multitouch device made it a bit hard to play.. :) | 23:00 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:00 |
| lcuk | hence the n950 testing would be a good thing (TM) | 23:00 |
| timoph | :) | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | Nokia N8 is £400 or £300 for a refurbished one | 23:01 |
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| timoph | we need to make a flute out of it. sandst1 made a component already that gives you the amplitude when you blow into the microphone :) | 23:02 |
| lcuk | good stuff | 23:03 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, I have an N8 now actually | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | T9 phones seem to have vanished from the market :( | 23:03 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: You mean like Smule's Okarina? (iPhone app) | 23:03 |
| lcuk | first thing I want to try and do is add an extra tab to the swipe :) | 23:04 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: I think it's closed source .. :( | 23:06 |
| timoph | gabrbedd: yep | 23:07 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: how many fingers does the N9/N950 display support? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | javispedro, really | 23:08 |
| lcuk | http://projects.developer.nokia.com/MTCatchShake/browser | 23:08 |
| lcuk | the source is there | 23:08 |
| javispedro | oh, good. | 23:09 |
| timoph | gabrbedd: at least 10. dunno if there's any limit really. We tried but run out of screen space | 23:09 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: OMG! Sweet! | 23:09 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: With 3 fingers you can do a diatonic scale. With 4 or more you can do a chromatic scale. | 23:10 |
| timoph | :) | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | timoph, :P I did not think the SDK supported multitouch | 23:11 |
| timoph | lcuk: I had a little play time with it :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 23:11 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 23:12 |
| arnbak | is it possible to speed up the qemu emulated harmattan device, with qtsdk ? | 23:13 |
| javispedro | qemu seemingly supports multitouch | 23:13 |
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| arnbak | hardware acceleration is enabled | 23:14 |
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| thiago | gabrbedd: the N950 supports 10 fingers. | 23:14 |
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| thiago | gabrbedd: I tried the 11th touch point with my nose but didn't succeed. | 23:15 |
| berndhs | tablets should suport 20 fingers for 2-player games :) | 23:15 |
| thiago | I just hope no one took a picture of my trying that | 23:16 |
| smoku | thiago, which app do you use to test it? | 23:16 |
| thiago | berndhs: if two people have all their fingers on the tablet, who's holding it? | 23:16 |
| thiago | smoku: evtest | 23:16 |
| smoku | thiago, table? | 23:16 |
| berndhs | the table holds the tablet | 23:16 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: :-) | 23:16 |
| smoku | thiago, thanks. how does evtest report these? | 23:16 |
| BlueAidan | so does anyone have tips about actually using the crystalhd gstreamer plugin from the community repo? | 23:16 |
| w00t | thiago: rofl | 23:16 |
| thiago | smoku: it reports the touch ID | 23:16 |
| thiago | smoku: from 0 to 9. So 10 touchpoints. | 23:17 |
| smoku | oh. cool. need to try it then :) | 23:17 |
| gabrbedd | smoku: you can also test it with `hexdump -C /dev/input/inputN` | 23:17 |
| thiago | /dev/input/ts | 23:17 |
| thiago | but evtest decodes the stream for you | 23:17 |
| gabrbedd | smoku: When you go one-too-many it stops sending data. | 23:18 |
| smoku | gabrbedd, i would like something human friendly rather :D | 23:18 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: true... but sometimes it's not installed. :-) | 23:18 |
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| smoku | thiago, I guess touchscreen designers didn't think about the nose :( | 23:19 |
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| peterbjornx | n950, isnt that simply N9 or have i missed something | 23:24 |
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| thiago | peterbjornx: two different devices | 23:26 |
| thiago | similar, but not exactly the same | 23:26 |
| peterbjornx | will n950 be released too or is it released already | 23:27 |
| thiago | it's released already | 23:27 |
| peterbjornx | ok | 23:27 |
| peterbjornx | to customers too? | 23:27 |
| peterbjornx | or just to devs | 23:27 |
| thiago | just to devs | 23:28 |
| peterbjornx | any info on rtm date and pricing | 23:28 |
| thiago | price is 0 | 23:29 |
| thiago | you cannot buy it | 23:29 |
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| peterbjornx | it wont be released to customers :O | 23:29 |
| thiago | the n950 is only available as a devkit and you have to be given one by Nokia | 23:29 |
| peterbjornx | in the future too? | 23:29 |
| thiago | forever | 23:29 |
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| ali1234 | i am fairly certain that giving out the n950 as dev kit for the n9 is a bad idea and here is why | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | all those maemo guys who get one are going to port the same old stuff from maemo 5 | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | and it's all going to suck on the n9 without a keyboard :/ | 23:37 |
| smoku | sucky apps won't be accepted ;-) | 23:38 |
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| ali1234 | speaking of which, what is going to happen with "extras" on harmattan? | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | does it even have a name? | 23:40 |
| berndhs | the n950 is there to keep the old maemo crowd quiet for the next 6-12 months :) | 23:40 |
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| ali1234 | are they even going to have a community repo in it? | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | or they just going to have nokia store? | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | or is this stuff not known yet? | 23:41 |
| smoku | intel appup | 23:41 |
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| ali1234 | nothing else? | 23:41 |
| smoku | ovi store too I guess | 23:41 |
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| smoku | if they manage to get it working | 23:41 |
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| ali1234 | hmm | 23:42 |
| smoku | last time I tried uploading .deb to ovi, it barked on me, that .deb is no good, and I need to upload .deb | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | great | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | i've had similar experiences with just about every nokia service ever | 23:42 |
| berndhs | well that should teach you :) | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | it taught me not to bother with nokia "ecosystem" | 23:43 |
| smoku | and today they messaged me, that they are discontinuing ovi chat, and I need to download new app from website, that in turn informed me that my n900 is not supported | 23:43 |
| RST38h | ali: Dunno about other guys but my stuff is not going to suck =) | 23:43 |
| RST38h | ali: Got touch joystick, accelerator joystick, going to add multitouch and compass based controls=) | 23:44 |
| RST38h | smoku: Hehe | 23:44 |
| smoku | :) my stuff is also touch based. i still find using the keyboard awkward for anything more than sms and email | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | i never understood why i need a ovi chat account to talk to people on msn, jabber etc on a symbian phone | 23:44 |
| RST38h | Yea, kbd is kinda too slow | 23:45 |
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| Damion3 | I think people think there is money to be made in social and having your own ecosystem might help | 23:45 |
| smoku | ali1234, i did setup ovi chat just out of couriosity. never exchanged one message over it. but messaging me to upgrade and then informing that sorry, but we do not support you is kind of ironic. | 23:46 |
| Damion3 | google+1, ovi, etc | 23:46 |
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| smoku | and exemplary of the whole ovi ecosystem | 23:46 |
| Damion3 | I use gtalk via irssi and bitlbee in a screen session I ssh to from my n950 | 23:47 |
| smoku | Damion3, there is. you just need to do it right, not outsource it to some god forgotten dev centre | 23:47 |
| smoku | like nokia did with ovi | 23:47 |
| Damion3 | and before that n900 and e90 before, 9300...9500, 9210, 9110, 9000 | 23:48 |
| smoku | same session? :D | 23:48 |
| Damion3 | heh | 23:48 |
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| smoku | nice uptime you got there :) | 23:48 |
| Damion3 | I've had 4 year screen sessions | 23:48 |
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| peterbjornx | are there any plans for a Atom MeeGo phone? | 23:49 |
| Damion3 | there is a box at the bbc with about 13 years uptime or some such silly amount | 23:49 |
| smoku | LOL... | 23:49 |
| smoku | [22:45:25] twitter.com: OviPublish: Nokia Ovi Store success: TenPearls: 1.4m downloads globally- http://t.co/HR2FyEM | 23:49 |
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| Damion3 | peterbjornx: I hope so, don't know who'd do it though | 23:49 |
| smoku | 1.4m globally.... nice "success" :D | 23:49 |
| Damion3 | nokia have does intel compatible hones before | 23:50 |
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| Damion3 | the 9000 and 9110 could run command.com | 23:50 |
| peterbjornx | yh but was it really a PC command.com or some native file? | 23:50 |
| smoku | peterbjornx, intel for sure has plans. but not for the current atom generation. the upcoming one | 23:50 |
| Damion3 | peterbjornx: native | 23:50 |
| Damion3 | it supported INT 10h | 23:51 |
| RST38h | 1.4m is a lot | 23:51 |
| Damion3 | was 486 | 23:51 |
| peterbjornx | lol | 23:51 |
| peterbjornx | why was bochs so slow on n900 | 23:51 |
| peterbjornx | as ive had pc's with comparable specs performing better | 23:51 |
| RST38h | peter: you really have to ask? | 23:51 |
| Damion3 | it didn't have screen ram at b800:0000 but was quite pclike | 23:52 |
| smoku | RST38h, comparing to 500k android activations a DAY | 23:52 |
| Damion3 | x86 version of solitaire is quite fast in qemu (user) | 23:52 |
| peterbjornx | lol, so in theory you could've ported a windows os to it with custom vid drivers | 23:52 |
| peterbjornx | nt 3 or something | 23:52 |
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| Damion3 | peterbjornx: uh... not really enough ram/storage. it's os was GDOS | 23:53 |
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| Damion3 | this'll all be on wikipedia | 23:53 |
| RST38h | smoku: Do not compare to Android. | 23:53 |
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| RST38h | smoku: Besides, I doubt you would get 1.4m downloads in the Android app store | 23:53 |
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| smoku | RST38h, so, to which other competition should I compare to? :) | 23:53 |
| RST38h | smoku: Lots and lots of fecal matter there, very difficult to get your app seen | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | see that's what i don't get | 23:54 |
| RST38h | smoku: RiM:) | 23:54 |
| smoku | RST38h, that's one _very_ unfortunate name ;-) | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | 1.8M downloads is a success... they have 11 apps, so that's 160000 downloads per app | 23:54 |
| RST38h | smoku: yea, on many levels, I am afraid :) | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | but the most downloaded apps on maemo 5 extras have 200000 downloads | 23:54 |
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| RST38h | smoku: Anyway, I am planning to try putting some of my stuff on the Android app store | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | i don't understand how this can be the case when there is about 100x as many symbian phones | 23:55 |
| RST38h | smoku: Also going to put it into Meego app store (for free) | 23:55 |
| RST38h | smoku: So, we will see how well each goes, for the same app =) | 23:55 |
| smoku | RST38h, these are 1.4m downloads for the whole ovi store. globally. not for one app. | 23:55 |
| Damion3 | wanting/installing apps is surprisingly niche | 23:56 |
| RST38h | Ah, that is for the whole thing? | 23:56 |
| RST38h | Ok | 23:56 |
| ali1234 | Damion3: it used to be, but not any more | 23:56 |
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| Damion3 | but enough iphone ppl do it it seems popular | 23:56 |
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| smoku | or not. | 23:56 |
| ali1234 | Damion3: the average iphone user *buys* 6 apps per *month* | 23:56 |
| smoku | just googled TenPearls - it's a publisher | 23:56 |
| Damion3 | look at the gazillions of people wh don't care and just get on with tneir symbian phones | 23:56 |
| smoku | ok. for one publisher 1.4m downloads is a succes | 23:56 |
| RST38h | smoku: See? | 23:57 |
| peterbjornx | i dont get the whole app thing | 23:57 |
| * smoku gets under the table and barks | 23:57 | |
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| ali1234 | yes, the reason i use a symbian phone is because it is a good phone. i don't care about apps | 23:57 |
| Damion3 | peterbjornx: I use ssh and....um? | 23:57 |
| RST38h | don't need to get it, it is a religious thing. | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | the best thing about symbian is they put all the effort into making the phone and PIM functions actually work in a decent way | 23:57 |
| peterbjornx | isnt it a de-development, like worse than what was before it | 23:57 |
| RST38h | marketing people get it, on the faith level | 23:57 |
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| RST38h | de-de-what? | 23:57 |
| peterbjornx | why use a app for every newspaper if theres a RSS application | 23:58 |
| smoku | ali1234, you are basically required to give your credit card number to use the iPod/iPhone | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | i would never use one even if it was free | 23:58 |
| smoku | ali1234, so getting these users to click "buy for $1" and then regretting the desision is easy | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | os x is bad enough | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | but yeah, i can see where you're coming from | 23:58 |
| Damion3 | I'd like to like osx | 23:59 |
| peterbjornx | OSX isnt that bad | 23:59 |
| peterbjornx | but i prefer linux | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | supposed to be getting an android soon | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | never tried it before. tbh i don't expect to like it | 23:59 |
| Damion3 | been a hardcore terminal/x11 man for too many decades | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | even though i use google for everything pretty much | 23:59 |
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