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| thiago | Settings > About > what does it say? | 00:00 |
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| Damion3 | 25-3_PR_001 | 00:05 |
| Damion3 | well 10.2011. before that | 00:05 |
| eudago | How i get alternative n950? | 00:05 |
| thiago | that's the official release, not the devkit one | 00:05 |
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| thiago | Product Release | 00:05 |
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| Damion3 | so all locked down and useless? | 00:06 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: Woot. | 00:06 |
| Damion3 | Jaffa: hey | 00:06 |
| Jay_BEE | yo | 00:06 |
| thiago | Damion3: I don't know, I never used that one. I used the RD_001 image, which comes with a running sshd :-) | 00:07 |
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| Damion3 | I tried putting a .deb/.rpm on the fat drive and searching for it, I tried http downloading both, I get no way to install anything. not that I've been able to find a Terminal Emulator/shell for the thing anyway! | 00:08 |
| Damion3 | thiago: gah! | 00:08 |
| Damion3 | thiago: that sounds useful | 00:08 |
| berndhs | oh wow news say my provincial govt will cut spending 400%, I'll be rich | 00:08 |
| thiago | berndhs: they'll cut spending 400%? :-) | 00:09 |
| thiago | do journalists know math? | 00:09 |
| berndhs | apparently not | 00:09 |
| berndhs | but if it happens, its N9s and bacon for everyone | 00:10 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: They're Canadian... so... no. | 00:10 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: :-p | 00:10 |
| Damion3 | but can they bring back Peter Falk? :( | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: You should be able to go into settings and turn on "Allow installation of packages from untrusted sources" | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: That'll then let you install debs from the browser (according to qgil et al) | 00:12 |
| Damion3 | Jaffa: yes, that's what I assumed | 00:12 |
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| eudago | lol | 00:12 |
| Damion3 | also assuming it's .deb (rather than meego default of .rpm) but don't know what mime type it's looking for but I've had no suggess | 00:12 |
| Damion3 | success | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: It is .deb | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: I know the URL from http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3636 is installable and works | 00:13 |
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| eudago | someone calatanor spanish? | 00:15 |
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| javispedro | eudago: calatanor? | 00:16 |
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| Damion3 | oooh | 00:16 |
| eudago | catalan | 00:17 |
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| Damion3 | so it seems slightly happier with Content-Type: application/x-debian-package | 00:19 |
| eudago | good nith | 00:20 |
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| Damion3 | The icon is there but it doesn't start | 00:22 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 00:22 |
| Damion3 | but now I can install a .deb I can have a preinst script which dumps loads of stuff to the fat for extraction, and eventually run a netcat -e shell ... ;) | 00:23 |
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| Damion3 | the bigger problem is doing all this from an n900, I'm expecting RSI city in no time :( | 00:25 |
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| Jaffa | Damion3: Ah, yes. You can start it from a terminal or... | 00:30 |
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| Damion3 | does that actually work? | 00:32 |
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| Jaffa | Damion3: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/attitude_0_9_1_armel.deb | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: That should start from the icon now | 00:33 |
| Damion3 | do you have a terminal .deb ? | 00:33 |
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| Damion3 | Nice, it works! | 00:37 |
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| Aranel_Mobil | How can I try latest translations from Transifex on my Meego 1.2 netbook? | 00:41 |
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| Jaffa | Damion3: Woohoo! | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: Two people with N950s/N9s have now tried my app :-) | 00:43 |
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| Damion3 | yes, that's great :) Now, can you help me get a terminal? | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: If you turn on "Developer Mode", it should automatically appear (AFAICT) | 00:44 |
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| Damion3 | I see no option for that | 00:44 |
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| Damion3 | I might need what thiago suggests. an older .22-6 firmware | 00:45 |
| Damion3 | oh it's there | 00:46 |
| Damion3 | needs a download, bricktastic fun on the way | 00:46 |
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| Damion3 | hmm, the install of 9mb of data is taking a worrying length of time | 00:49 |
| Aranel_Mobil | How can I try latest translations from Transifex on my MeeGo 1.2 netbook? | 00:50 |
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| Damion3 | oooooh, wow this is hopeful | 00:51 |
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| Damion3 | and here I am! | 00:56 |
| Damion3 | Jaffa: you are my hero | 00:57 |
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| Jaffa | Damion3: What's it like SSHing/screening on the keyboard? | 00:57 |
| Damion3 | meh... can't say yet | 00:57 |
| Damion3 | still getting used to it | 00:57 |
| Damion3 | 85x22 :-/ | 00:58 |
| Damion3 | ctrl on the right, space in middle, fn and shift too close. It'll take a while | 00:59 |
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| Damion3 | this is very nice so far | 01:00 |
| Jaffa | N900 took me ages to get used to after N810 | 01:00 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: If you close the keyboard, do you get the VKB? What's that like with the terminal? | 01:01 |
| Damion3 | I've gone 9000 9110 9210 9500 9300 e90 n97 n900 | 01:01 |
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| Damion3 | vkb pops up. not bad | 01:02 |
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| niala | meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 don't work :/ | 01:13 |
| niala | ? | 01:13 |
| niala | cannot retrieve repository | 01:13 |
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| andre__ | niala, full error? | 01:18 |
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| niala | cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository | 01:20 |
| niala | try another mirror | 01:20 |
| niala | error 404 not found | 01:22 |
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| niala | installer from http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/getting-started-meego-v1.2-sdk-linux | 01:25 |
| niala | i mean, this is a bad publicity for meego no? | 01:27 |
| andre__ | I'd just call it a bug. | 01:28 |
| niala | error 404 is not a bug is a missing file | 01:28 |
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| andre__ | niala, yeah, and maybe that missing file IS this bug? | 01:29 |
| andre__ | niala, so which components did you try to install? | 01:29 |
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| andre__ | plus works fine her, just tried. so probably different selection | 01:30 |
| niala | all and or handset or tablet | 01:31 |
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| niala | bug from my fedora15 maybe? | 01:37 |
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| niala | but error404 is nothing about operating system? | 01:37 |
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| niala | so i can't dev for meego on fedora15 ? | 01:41 |
| smoku | niala, meego changes repository layouts more often than a girl changes her skirts, so no wonder that SDK dated more than a month ago has dangling repos ;-) | 01:42 |
| niala | :) | 01:42 |
| smoku | niala, try going http://repo.meego.com/ or http://download.meego.com/ , find the repos you need and fix the URLs by hand | 01:42 |
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| Jay_BEE | yeah I believe there is a doc on meego wiki that documents the manual installation | 01:43 |
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| niala | yes there is i used it at start, but for user a simple script installer is more easy | 01:44 |
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| Jay_BEE | true, installer is definitely easier, especially when it works | 01:46 |
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| Jay_BEE | ;) | 01:46 |
| niala | what is the diff between meego-sdk and Qtsdk from nokia website ? | 01:46 |
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| Jay_BEE | newer Qt Mobility in Nokia's QtSDK and the UX components are are a couple | 01:49 |
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| niala | well thank you all, "Caprica" start on tv, see you later :). Sdk is for tomorrow | 01:53 |
| niala | good night | 01:53 |
| Jay_BEE | gn | 01:54 |
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| Damion3 | Jaffa: no way to cut and paste | 02:00 |
| Jaffa | Damion3: Long press? | 02:00 |
| Damion3 | nothing | 02:01 |
| Damion3 | fn up/down works as pgup/dn which is good. xkbset st -twokeys turns on sticky ctrl | 02:02 |
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| CosmoHill | there is a HTC for £40 | 02:17 |
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| Damion3 | Seen the alcatel devices for about that with android? | 02:19 |
| Damion3 | no way to bring up new terminal unless you're at a local shell | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | the HTC Smart runs on Brew | 02:21 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, fixed focus camera | 02:22 |
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| AndrewX192 | Hello, I have a question about QT Builder - I have QEMU running Maemo Harmattan, and QT creater is able to connect to the instance ("Test" works), but I cannot deploy my application because of a undescriptive "File Not Found" message. | 04:31 |
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| StevenLiu | hi Auke, are you here | 04:48 |
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| AndrewX192 | Wait, QT creater only works on 32bit *Nix? | 04:50 |
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| AndrewX192 | Can anyone assist me with QT Creater? | 05:33 |
| Jay_BEE | the MeeGo SDK is only validated on 32bit. I'm not sure of Nokia's Qt SDK. I suggest you visit #qt-creator | 05:36 |
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| Jay_BEE | there is also #meego-sdk | 05:39 |
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| npm | #fail :: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/meegotab-vkb-fail.png | 07:34 |
| npm | the screenlock that requires an init 3/init5 :-) | 07:35 |
| npm | i guess i humiliated the vkb into popping down so i can unlock the tablet | 07:35 |
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| zztr | i'm trying to load meego onto an old netbook and getting "grub loading stage1.5. grub loading, please wait... Error 17 _ | 08:48 |
| zztr | anyone encountered this? i can't find a solution | 08:49 |
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| dm8tbr | since when is meego using grub? | 08:49 |
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| zztr | hmm i know nothing of the boot process. i have ubuntu natty on my desktop, used unetbootin to create a bootable usb using the downloaded iso, plugged it in, and started it up | 08:50 |
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| zztr | maybe it's not even accessing the usb drive? | 08:51 |
| zztr | i've switched around everything i could find in the bios | 08:51 |
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| dm8tbr | why did you use unetbootin? | 08:52 |
| dm8tbr | the image can be directly written to a usb stick | 08:52 |
| zztr | because it's a tool to use | 08:52 |
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| zztr | ok... | 08:53 |
| zztr | like cat meego.iso >/dev/sdc1? | 08:53 |
| dm8tbr | more like dd if=meego.iso of=/dev/sdc | 08:53 |
| zztr | i'll give it a shot. never used dd... | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | you read this, right? https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 08:54 |
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| zztr | yeah, that page gives two options, downloading some random python script and doing a command that it warns you could overwrite your system hard disk. i'd used unetbootin before so i thought it would "just work" | 08:56 |
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| zztr | still getting error 17 | 09:01 |
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| zztr | oh hey, it worked this time | 09:06 |
| zztr | i left the usb mounted while i did dd | 09:07 |
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| zztr | "panic occurred" | 09:11 |
| zztr | it says to append a correct root= boot option... but where | 09:11 |
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| mcfrisk | Hello, obs question | 09:52 |
| mcfrisk | We imported a MeeGo snapshot to our obs to build against. | 09:53 |
| mcfrisk | Our own packages are available from the obs rpm repo, but the imported base line isn't. | 09:53 |
| mcfrisk | Where could I find the imported baseline, so I can point mic2 to it? | 09:54 |
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| mcfrisk | ok, by default /obs/imports are not available from obs repo like /obs/repos are.. | 10:03 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:05 |
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| mcfrisk | making obs imports visible in obs repo: ln -s /obs/imports/ /obs/repos/imports | 10:17 |
| mcfrisk | ... does that make sence? | 10:17 |
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| dm8tbr | mcfrisk: I'd love to help but I didn't have enough time to familiarize myself with out obs instance yet :/ | 10:30 |
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| dm8tbr | mcfrisk: you might want to 'accidentially' hilight lbt or X-Fade as they might be able to help. ... oops I just did! ;) | 10:31 |
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| Jay_BEE | re | 10:35 |
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| mcfrisk | dm8tbr, thanks | 10:37 |
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| Jay_BEE | so I am attempting to execute a qml using meego-ux-components on a qemu netbook via qt creator and it fails with the error Meego.Components is not installed, so I ssh to the qemu emulator and attempt to install it via zypper which fails with the error "the package integrity check failed" | 10:39 |
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| Jay_BEE | hmm... perhaps I need to add a more appropriate repo... | 10:42 |
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| * Jay_BEE hears crickets | 10:53 | |
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| lbt | mcfrisk: #obs is a better place to ask. | 11:10 |
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| lbt | I'm not sure OBS publishes the imported repos... there's never an event to trigger a publish | 11:10 |
| lbt | just point MIC to the repo you used as the source | 11:11 |
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| lbt | in our case we'd copy the baseline to a special place on the repo server and point mic there | 11:12 |
| niala | hello meego. here it's holidays raining :/ | 11:12 |
| lbt | niala: good excuse to stay in and hack then ;) | 11:13 |
| niala | yup :) | 11:14 |
| niala | i haven't tortured meego since 3months :) | 11:14 |
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| lbt | niala: take it out into the hot sun and stake it to the ground for the ants... | 11:25 |
| lbt | I'm not sure OTS can run that test automatically yet.... | 11:26 |
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| alterego | lcuk: ping | 11:28 |
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| alterego | lbt: | 11:33 |
| alterego | lbt: boss is having a fit in #meego-arm | 11:33 |
| thiago | what's happening? | 11:35 |
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| hiemanshu | thiago: Build failure in * non-stop | 11:37 |
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| lcuk | alterego, yo | 11:40 |
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| alterego | lcuk: was there any company name, dhl, ups, whatever on you parcel? | 11:42 |
| alterego | I think mine is lost and I need to ring someone up about it :P | 11:42 |
| lcuk | royal mail special delivery | 11:43 |
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| alterego | Okay, thanks. | 11:43 |
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| alterego | lcuk: do you know what the sender name is? | 11:51 |
| alterego | Was it Nokia? | 11:51 |
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| ieatlint | i just came in and stole the package | 11:55 |
| lcuk | alterego, speak to alex | 11:55 |
| hell | gg | 11:55 |
| alterego | lcuk: can you pm me her email? | 11:55 |
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| aissen | how does Qt on MeeGo implement multitouch events ? (ux tablet) Does it get them directly from kernel ? Does it uses a patch Xorg with XI 2.1 support ? | 12:38 |
| lcuk | aissen, I heard it does | 12:39 |
| lcuk | but the technical details elude me right now | 12:39 |
| aissen | lcuk: digging through the code right now. Apparently it relies on qt.labs.gesture, a qml component. | 12:41 |
| thiago | aissen: hacked XInput 2.0 | 12:41 |
| thiago | so neither | 12:41 |
| aissen | thiago: ouch. Thanks | 12:41 |
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| thiago | the evdev driver in X was hacked to produce touch events in XInput 2.0. The driver is called mtev. | 12:42 |
| thiago | the events are delivered via XInput 2.0, but that's non-standard. It works only between Qt and this driver. | 12:42 |
| aissen | thanks thiago . will look into the code. | 12:42 |
| thiago | the proper solution (XInput 2.1) isn't ready yet. | 12:43 |
| Jay_BEE | I'm outta here...peace! | 12:43 |
| thiago | by the time it will be ready, we'll have switched away from X | 12:43 |
| aissen | thiago: how non standard ? how are pointers managed/instanciated ? | 12:43 |
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| aissen | thiago: so I've heard. | 12:43 |
| thiago | it uses evaluators in XInput2.0 to deliver the extra touch points. | 12:43 |
| thiago | the point is: the protocol between X and applications, where the extra touch points are located, how to find them, etc., isn't specified. | 12:44 |
| aissen | it is, in XI 2.1. | 12:44 |
| thiago | hence, "non-standard" | 12:44 |
| thiago | right, but we're using 2.0 | 12:45 |
| aissen | and ubuntu is shipping a 2.1-pre release in 11.04 | 12:45 |
| thiago | we're still using X.org 1.9 | 12:45 |
| aissen | so is ubuntu. | 12:45 |
| thiago | between a pre-release and another pre-release, we'll stick to the one we already have that is working | 12:45 |
| aissen | well, a with quite a load of patches, too ^^ | 12:46 |
| thiago | we would switch to 2.1 if it became ready in the August release of X.org | 12:46 |
| thiago | since it won't be, we'll stick to 2.0, then dump X | 12:46 |
| aissen | so the plan is to use wayland's input system next ? | 12:46 |
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| aissen | any pointer/docs about the protocol that will be implemented in wayland ? | 12:46 |
| lcuk | thiago, the ideapad produces an odd multitouch pattern on the input without any extra drivers | 12:46 |
| thiago | ask in #wayland | 12:46 |
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| niala | running meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 give me error404 | 13:03 |
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| niala | can the webmaster correct this link? | 13:10 |
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| andre__ | niala, it works for me. | 13:26 |
| andre__ | plus file a bug report with exact steps, please | 13:26 |
| andre__ | like what exactly you do, and when exactly it happens. | 13:26 |
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| alterego | lcuk: ping | 13:32 |
| lcuk | hey alterego | 13:33 |
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| alterego | I heard from Alex, your devicdes got rushed to you because of the baby, mine hasn't even been sent out yet ;) | 13:34 |
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| lcuk | heh \o/ | 13:34 |
| alterego | Apparently you just got the devs you requested, I was being sent a dev pack | 13:34 |
| niala | andre__, hi, seem to have dreamed that conversation that night ;-) | 13:35 |
| Venemo | alterego, what dev pack? | 13:35 |
| alterego | Anyway, so the guy sending it out is gonna get me a tracking number :) | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | yes alterego, makes for a great start, trying to find out where I will be focusing | 13:36 |
| alterego | Venemo: a Nokia N8 and a Qt book I believe. | 13:37 |
| Venemo | alterego, not bad, but why are you interested in an N8? | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, don't worry, he'll lose interest in a week :p | 13:37 |
| Venemo | :D | 13:37 |
| alterego | Mostly it's media capabilities, but also cross platform Qt development. | 13:38 |
| Venemo | mhm | 13:39 |
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| alterego | I've been wanting to target symbian w/ Columbus for ages. | 13:39 |
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| Venemo | I've successfully made Puzzle Master work on Symbian, but it was very non-fun :( | 13:39 |
| vvaltone | using raw symbian apis? | 13:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:41 |
| Venemo | I used Qt | 13:41 |
| Venemo | but for some functionality, I needed to use native Symbian APIs yes | 13:41 |
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| Venemo | for example, Qt's file selection dialog is awful on Symbian | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, to be fair, file select dialogs are a bit wonky everywhere | 13:42 |
| Venemo | lcuk, well, the Maemo one at least looks like the native dialog | 13:43 |
| special | Qt uses the native dialog on supported platforms, I'm surprised symbian isn't one | 13:44 |
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| Venemo | also, I had to hack through how it displays my window | 13:49 |
| lcuk | Venemo, qt bug? | 13:51 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, well, at the end I could solve it by displaying my window in fullscreen and removing the titlebar and softkeys | 13:52 |
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| niala | ok i understood, I have fedora15, i suppose link "http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/{version}/..." is wrong for me. Only 12 13 14 is supported | 14:13 |
| niala | andre__, | 14:13 |
| andre__ | niala, bug report as I said | 14:14 |
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| niala | is not really a bug, is just not supported yet | 14:16 |
| niala | fedora15 too young | 14:16 |
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| BestiaH | hi! | 14:32 |
| BestiaH | I have installed the new release for neetbooks updated yesterday | 14:32 |
| BestiaH | It has't installation menu | 14:32 |
| BestiaH | t should be like this?? | 14:33 |
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| bkalinga | where can i set my lock-screen time out for tablet? | 15:01 |
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| bkalinga | i just wanted to increase screensaver time out value for my tablet qemu | 15:05 |
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| shauky | hi | 15:34 |
| shauky | help | 15:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 15:36 |
| shauky | no? | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | What are you looking for help with sha? | 15:36 |
| shauky | ah | 15:36 |
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| shauky | broadband usb on meego | 15:36 |
| shauky | any ideas? | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Not really. | 15:37 |
| shauky | yeah? too bad | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | You're trying to use usb with a netbook or something to get 3g connectivity? | 15:38 |
| shauky | on a fujitsu lifebook to get 3g yes | 15:38 |
| shauky | was wondering if there was a driver out there | 15:39 |
| shauky | to get it working | 15:39 |
| shauky | or at least a thread I could follow to see if there was any development | 15:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle, it should be similar to any desktop system - just requiring the right ppp setup and modem serial driver loaded. | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if there is a nice GUI for it though. | 15:41 |
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| BestiaH | Hi there!! | 15:43 |
| shauky | alright | 15:44 |
| shauky | thanks | 15:44 |
| BestiaH | I have one problem and I don't know who I have to ask for this | 15:44 |
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| BestiaH | It looks like every alternate release has no install menu | 15:45 |
| BestiaH | and when it is installed | 15:46 |
| BestiaH | it has a lot of problems | 15:46 |
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| BestiaH | why ? | 15:48 |
| BestiaH | Is there any way to solve it?? | 15:48 |
| slaine | BestiaH: what did you download ? | 15:48 |
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| BestiaH | the last release for netbooks | 15:49 |
| slaine | url | 15:49 |
| BestiaH | ok | 15:50 |
| slaine | I've downloaded and install 1.2 on a few machines, 0 issues | 15:50 |
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| slaine | All had a boot menu that let me choose to live boot or install | 15:50 |
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| slaine | none had serious issues after install | 15:50 |
| BestiaH | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ | 15:51 |
| BestiaH | actually it is successfully installed | 15:51 |
| BestiaH | but there is no installation menu | 15:51 |
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| BestiaH | the last week version (21/6) had installation menu | 15:52 |
| BestiaH | after install the first problem is that there is one icon missing | 15:53 |
| BestiaH | and when the applications are reopened from Zones desktop | 15:54 |
| BestiaH | the have very nasty behavior | 15:55 |
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| slaine | BestiaH: So you're not using releases, you're using nightlies ? | 16:06 |
| BestiaH | yep | 16:06 |
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| BestiaH | slaine: It happens to one nightlie yes and one nightlie no | 16:08 |
| slaine | Weird, never use nightlies | 16:09 |
| slaine | report a bug I guess | 16:09 |
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| BestiaH | slaine: Yes very weird... Ok, thanks for your help ;) | 16:10 |
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| BestiaH | I'll issue a bug | 16:11 |
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| * Jaffa tries to work out what the status of his package is on COBS after adding some build plans. Where do logs/statuses/queues appear? | 16:39 | |
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| gabrbedd | Jaffa: under each build target? | 16:40 |
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| Khertan | hiemanshu, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 <<<< grrrr | 16:40 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17034 nor, Undecided, ---, fboudra, RESO FIXED, [CE] Remove obsolete meegotouch-qt-style packages | 16:41 |
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| Jaffa | gabrbedd: OK, so I've turned on Ubuntu and MeeGo 1.2. On https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa I see MeeGo_Trunk_Standard and a phrase "excluded" | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | Ah, if I got to my home project I see a link against "excluded" | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | OK, cool. No spec file - expected that. | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | Khertan: my opinion is that if we fix the default setting thing, then we can readd the style | 16:43 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps|holiday, it s easy to fix | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | gabrbedd: Aha, adding Debian 6.0 now shows it up in the build status portlet. Something iffy about Ubuntu then (neither should actually build, but I want to check my mud2 script) | 16:45 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps|holiday, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20035 << explain how to | 16:45 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 20035 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, RESO INVALID, [CE] Plain Qt Apps are unthemed installing meegotouch-qt-style apply theme but crash with qml app | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | Is that the bug that makes me have to start all my Qt programs with `-style plastique` so that they won't crash? | 16:47 |
| thiago | probably | 16:47 |
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| gabrbedd | Jaffa: Just a wild-ass guess... but what did you put for `distro` in your changelog for Ubuntu? | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | gabrbedd: The default Qt Creator value of 'unstable' | 16:52 |
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| Jaffa | gabrbedd: But it doesn't show up as Excluded or Failed or anything like that. It's just not there on that target. However, since i have no plans to target Ubuntu 10.10 with build.pub.meego.com I'm not *too* worried since I've got one of the debian targets working | 16:54 |
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| gabrbedd | Jaffa: ok | 16:55 |
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| jedix | Has anyone successfully built the sgx blob? | 17:19 |
| jonwil | what sgx blob? | 17:20 |
| jedix | the sgx libraries for opengl, etc | 17:21 |
| jonwil | Aren't those closed source? | 17:22 |
| jedix | yes | 17:23 |
| jonwil | so why are you asking if someone has built them? | 17:23 |
| jedix | because some people have the source under agreements | 17:23 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 17:24 |
| khertan | http://web23.twitpic.com/img/333589920-4c57d026643e58fdf55b10d4af5ee2c1.4e0b36e8-scaled.png | 17:24 |
| khertan | ^ KhtEditor on Scratchbox Harmattan SDK | 17:24 |
| khertan | :) | 17:24 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: Nice. Monospace font next? :-) | 17:26 |
| khertan | Jaffa, just a setting preferences | 17:26 |
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| khertan | w8 i ll look if settings works :) | 17:26 |
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| khertan | Jaffa, how to close a window which haven't close button ? | 17:27 |
| khertan | :) | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | khertan: :) | 17:27 |
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| khertan | Jaffa, if i found how to close the windows prefs should be save | 17:29 |
| khertan | d | 17:29 |
| khertan | hum ... strange i cannot found anymore my application for the n9-devkit | 17:31 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: Erm, does it show up in the task switcher and can be closed there? | 17:32 |
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| khertan | Jaffa, if i can jump to the task switcher yes ... but didn't found how ;) | 17:32 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: Drag from the very edge of the Xephyr window | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | khertan: I can still see mine at https://meego.com/user/me/track | 17:33 |
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| khertan | Jaffa, see mine too after logout/login | 17:35 |
| khertan | :) | 17:35 |
| khertan | thx | 17:35 |
| khertan | for the direct link | 17:35 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: Obviously trying to prove my overall worthiness for all sorts of things :_) | 17:36 |
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| khertan | Jaffa, did you drag fast ? | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | khertan: No, slowly | 17:36 |
| khertan | from the top ... no result | 17:36 |
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| khertan | but using scroll mouse wheel create segfault | 17:38 |
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| Jaffa | OK, all. I had a tool which was a bit like spectacle (before it existed) called MUD (Maemo Unofficial Debs) back in the 770 days. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/. I'm now developing a script to make Qt Creator projects autobuilder (incl. OBS) friendly (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3694). The name 'mud2' is in my mind, but I need a new backronym. Thoughts? | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | It takes the qtc_packaging directory and produces various tarballs for use in OBS, handling a lot of the niggles vivainio's found and documented http://vivainio.github.com/vvdocprj/packaging.html | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | MeeGo Unobtusificated Distribution? | 17:39 |
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| berndhs | does it do 2 things? then you can say U = Unified,or Unification | 17:42 |
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| Jaffa | berndhs: Does debs & (will do) RPMs :) | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: So unified sounds spot on | 17:43 |
| berndhs | well, there you go | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | Ta muchly | 17:43 |
| khertan | lol 10 min to try to got the task switcher ... hihi ... | 17:44 |
| khertan | still not success | 17:44 |
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| campbieil | Wondering if anyone is coming to Intel's Meego event in London on Tuesday? | 18:01 |
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| hiemanshu | khertan: wow ok, maybe we should maitain it together | 18:06 |
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| Jaffa | campbieil: My brother is | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | campbieil: Trying to tempt him away from Android, and he loves the N9 | 18:06 |
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| campbieil | Jaffa: can't blame him for that! | 18:07 |
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| khertan | hiemanshu, yep i think | 18:08 |
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| hiemanshu | khertan: so with the trolltech.conf change and the setting of style I think we can avoid the raster bug right? | 18:09 |
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| khertan | hiemanshu, yep | 18:13 |
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| khertan | hiemanshu, as described in the bug i ve opened | 18:13 |
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| hiemanshu | gah, managing 40+ tabs isnt fun :/ | 18:14 |
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| CosmoHill | hiemanshu: number 27 wants your attention | 18:15 |
| hiemanshu | CosmoHill: hah, well that tab has about:config open :P | 18:17 |
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| hiemanshu | khertan: so I am telling on the bug report, that I'll help you maintain it | 18:18 |
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| CosmoHill | wtf, my mum hung a painting in my room whilst I was out | 18:44 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol | 18:44 |
| lcuk | is it artistically pleasing? | 18:45 |
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| CosmoHill | not my kinda thing | 18:45 |
| berndhs | check for surveillance equipment behind the painting, and in the fram | 18:45 |
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| CosmoHill | there betta not be any, it's above my bed | 18:46 |
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| CosmoHill | it's gonna be the first thing I see when I sit up >.< | 18:46 |
| berndhs | if it seems like the eyes are staring at you, they just might be :) | 18:46 |
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| CosmoHill | wait...I never had a picture hook there before | 19:01 |
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| Myrtti | surprise! | 19:03 |
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| Myrtti | they are conspiring to get you out the house by annoyance over crappy art | 19:03 |
| berndhs | it | 19:04 |
| berndhs | it's the antenna | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | I swapped it for the one she put in my bro's room | 19:04 |
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| hiemanshu | CosmoHill: Its a conspiracy! | 19:07 |
| hiemanshu | that works for everything :P | 19:07 |
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| berndhs | if there is no proof, that's just proof that the conspirators are really really good | 19:09 |
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| timoph | hiemanshu: No. The whole conspiracy is a cover up for something bigger :p | 19:09 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Dogs Playing Poker? | 19:09 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: The Scream? | 19:09 |
| hiemanshu | timoph: The Rapture? :P | 19:09 |
| hiemanshu | CosmoHill: more nokia made meego phones? | 19:09 |
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| beerock | hello all, new to the meego tablet ux. I think its great but Im lost a bit..... | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: "just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they;re not following you" | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | hiemanshu: I've owned two nokias, both died via cracked screen | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | and a bully nicked my keypad from one :( | 19:11 |
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| hiemanshu | hah | 19:11 |
| beerock | I wonder how to transfer movies,music, files to it. preferably from the sdcard. anyone care to point me to a "how to" | 19:12 |
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| pixelgeek1 | beerock: Ideally, you'd sync it with an application like DoubleTwist. Unfortunately, it's not bundled in the opensource image. | 19:19 |
| pixelgeek1 | So, your real option right now is to use terminal mode to mount the USB or SDCard and then cp the files over. | 19:20 |
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| pixelgeek1 | For transferring files from a USB or SD card - | 19:21 |
| pixelgeek1 | sudo mkdir /media/files | 19:21 |
| pixelgeek1 | sudo mount /dev/sd?? /media/files | 19:21 |
| pixelgeek1 | where ?? is the USB or SD card (you can find this out using 'sudo fdisk -l'), then use cp to copy from /media/files to the appropriate place on ~home/meego/Downloads. | 19:21 |
| pixelgeek1 | When done, | 19:21 |
| pixelgeek1 | sudo umount /media/files | 19:21 |
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| timoph | I though it mounted mass storages automatically. IMO it's a bug if it doesn't | 19:28 |
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| timoph | and if that really doesn't work I'd most likely use scp to copy the stuff | 19:29 |
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| gabrbedd | pixelgeek1: auke pointed to me yesterday that you can do `udisks --mount /dev/sd??` and it'll do most of that for you. | 19:31 |
| gabrbedd | Don't even need to sudo. | 19:31 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: Last I checked the MeeGo UX doesn't have a daemon to automatically mount devices that are plugged in. | 19:32 |
| pixelgeek1 | Ah - cool. The directions I posted were back from the start of the year. There's a lot that's changed in the last 6 months. | 19:32 |
| timoph | oh. it's a bug then :) | 19:32 |
| timoph | (or a missing FEA) | 19:32 |
| pixelgeek1 | I believe it's by design | 19:32 |
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| timoph | weird | 19:32 |
| pixelgeek1 | (Don't shoot the messenger) | 19:32 |
| alterego | Well, I've uploaded librxsupport, libcolumbus to gitorious, now for columbus-plugins :) | 19:32 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek1: Don't feel bad... I've been doing that up until 2 days ago. | 19:33 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 19:33 |
| * timoph holsters his sidearms :) | 19:33 | |
| gabrbedd | In fact, your instructions work on any linux distro, any time, any where. | 19:33 |
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| timoph | true | 19:33 |
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| hell | can't wait my looser e-mail from nokia) | 19:42 |
| timoph | I think you can withdraw your application :p | 19:43 |
| berndhs | Nokia hasn't gotten around to ignoring my requests | 19:43 |
| hell | timoph: :-) 0.01% is a chance toooooo | 19:44 |
| timoph | yep :) | 19:44 |
| timoph | so patience. the yes/no will come during the next few days | 19:45 |
| hell | but i think, there are so many good developers and so little n950... | 19:46 |
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| timoph | I'm spending my time waiting by packaging stuff for the community edition | 19:46 |
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| timoph | besides if I don't get it then I just need to wait for the n9 to be available | 19:47 |
| hell | n9 lacks a keys... | 19:47 |
| timoph | well yes but nothing that can be done to change that | 19:48 |
| timoph | just have to live with it or pick something else | 19:48 |
| hell | 3110, i want it new) | 19:48 |
| achipa | look at it from the bright side... you roughly have 50% chance of getting one | 19:49 |
| hell | or 6310i) | 19:49 |
| hell | achipa: maybe get and maybe not?)) | 19:49 |
| timoph | achipa: damn you. you just made monty python start singing in my head | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | *yawn* | 19:53 |
| RST38h | So,what's up? | 19:53 |
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| Myrtti | ceiling | 19:53 |
| timoph | sky | 19:53 |
| timoph | etc | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | ok | 19:54 |
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| timoph | so not much :) | 19:55 |
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| beerock | @ pixelgeek1 Thanks, this is what I thought needed to be done, but was not sure of the commands. I have been able to install udiskie and it worked for mounting but still couldn't figure out how to copy. I will try your instructions soon :D | 19:59 |
| beerock | sure wish someone would put together a "pretty" file manager | 20:00 |
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| javier_mobile | X-Fade: ping | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | timoph, I will happily let jussi send you my device if you are not selected. you are so much more efficient at the technical stuff \o | 20:54 |
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| pabs3 | timoph: its actually good security policy to not automount | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, does attitude work on symbian? | 21:07 |
| timoph | \o/ | 21:08 |
| * timoph will get one | 21:08 | |
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| lcuk | :D timoph | 21:08 |
| timoph | just noticed quim's tweet :) | 21:08 |
| alterego | timoph: :) | 21:09 |
| alterego | Me too! | 21:09 |
| timoph | cool | 21:09 |
| * alterego runs around, "I'm soooo happy" | 21:09 | |
| alterego | Anyway, back to work .. | 21:10 |
| * timoph waits to see if snake game builds | 21:11 | |
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| hell | timoph: congratulations! | 21:14 |
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| * hiemanshu is getting one too :D | 21:15 | |
| petteri | hopefully well also see some results, like some nice opensource apps or something :) | 21:16 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: It does. Tested on N8 and C7 | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Let me stick the installer somewhere. | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/Attitude_installer_qt-4_7_3_symbian3.sis | 21:21 |
| hell | heh. Twice "Sergey Ivanov", interesting, what thinking third one | 21:21 |
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| rcg1 | meh und unser danone is nu auch weg | 21:33 |
| rcg1 | err.. | 21:33 |
| rcg1 | sorry.. wrong window | 21:33 |
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| smoku | how do I install tablet ui on meego? is there a pattern for it? | 22:11 |
| thiago | get the tablet UX image, run it | 22:12 |
| smoku | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/ only core ivi and netbook | 22:13 |
| thiago | start from the homepage, the pre-releases are there | 22:13 |
| timoph | smoku: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/ | 22:13 |
| timoph | try one of those | 22:14 |
| smoku | that's helpfull. thanks timoph | 22:15 |
| timoph | np | 22:15 |
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| smoku | @MeeGo Tablet and @MeeGo Tablet Applications - as per .ks, if anyone wonders | 22:16 |
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| peterbjornx | hello | 22:27 |
| peterbjornx | i've got a problem, my N900 died and the store wants to replace it, what phone is most likely to get a community MeeGo port? | 22:28 |
| thiago | N9 | 22:29 |
| peterbjornx | what if they wont let me wait with choosing a phone | 22:29 |
| peterbjornx | any current phones | 22:30 |
| berndhs | N900 | 22:30 |
| thiago | all of them very unlikely to get a CE | 22:30 |
| peterbjornx | read my message, my n900 is dead and they said i need to choose a new phone | 22:30 |
| peterbjornx | how much work is a port\ | 22:30 |
| thiago | choose another N900 | 22:30 |
| peterbjornx | i cant | 22:31 |
| peterbjornx | as those arent made anymore | 22:31 |
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| ali1234 | since unhelpful experts are being unhelpful i will answer your question :) | 22:31 |
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| ali1234 | a port is an extremely large amount of work and any meego phone requires 3d acceleration drivers which are never available | 22:32 |
| peterbjornx | i dont know how much you know about the internals of meego and android, is graphics driver from android portable toXorg? | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | there are already "ports" to a couple of HTC phones but they don't have 3d drivers so they are useless | 22:32 |
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| ali1234 | no | 22:32 |
| peterbjornx | how useless | 22:32 |
| peterbjornx | no UI? | 22:32 |
| berndhs | I would guess a port is maybe 6 to 18 man-months of work, if there are no unsurmountable problems | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | android uses different type of 3d drivers and they are NOT portable | 22:33 |
| ali1234 | that is the major problem for all ports to android phones | 22:33 |
| thiago | assuming you can get the drivers from the manufacturer | 22:33 |
| thiago | otherwise, the UI is just unbearably slow | 22:33 |
| ali1234 | the current ports have a UI but it runs in software 3d mode so it is incredibly slow and runs out the battery in about 8 seconds | 22:33 |
| peterbjornx | what if its a phone that uses a GPU very much alike the N900 powervr chip | 22:33 |
| dm8tbr | that might actually get easier with wayland. I hear wayland might be able to use android GLES drivers, but oh well softfloat vs hardfloat... | 22:34 |
| dm8tbr | c.f. bug 17570 | 22:34 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | wayland is more "framebuffery" so maybe | 22:34 |
| wmarone_ | lack of compatibility with glibc would be almost a big a problem, no? | 22:34 |
| dm8tbr | wmarone_: if they are linked against bionic, you're screwed | 22:35 |
| * dm8tbr never checked | 22:35 | |
| niala | hi another question about broken n900. My usb n900 is broken... can i install/boot meego with no usb plug? | 22:35 |
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| ssvb | thiago: does it have to use mesa software implementation? | 22:35 |
| peterbjornx | is it possible to try to resolder a N900 power socket manually | 22:35 |
| thiago | ssvb: it's preferable to use actual hardware acceleration, sure | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | you got the breaking off usb socket problem? | 22:36 |
| wmarone_ | peterbjornx: it is possible, but not easy by any means | 22:36 |
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| dm8tbr | niala: the only critical part is getting U-boot installed I guess | 22:36 |
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| ali1234 | that's a really common problem... i've heard of people fixing it themselves | 22:36 |
| dm8tbr | peterbjornx: I have never seen it, but it depends if traces were lifted off the pcb etc | 22:36 |
| peterbjornx | well | 22:36 |
| peterbjornx | from the looks of it pcb's fine | 22:37 |
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| dm8tbr | it should be possible in many cases if you have a fine smd iron and lots of enamel wire | 22:37 |
| peterbjornx | enamel? | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | not sure why you'd need enamel wire to fix that... | 22:37 |
| dm8tbr | very thin wire with a thin insulating coating | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | anyway it should be doable | 22:37 |
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| dm8tbr | ali1234: if you have to replace traces | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | ah ok | 22:38 |
| ssvb | thiago: too bad that there is no free software friendly 3d hardware for mobile devices yet | 22:38 |
| * dm8tbr has done such stuff | 22:38 | |
| ali1234 | nokia boards don't have *any* visible traces | 22:38 |
| dm8tbr | it's a royal pain but possible | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | really amazing to look at | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | never seen any other boards like them | 22:38 |
| dm8tbr | ah, multi-layer | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | all they have is the pads for the components and everything else is on the internal layers | 22:38 |
| dm8tbr | well, then you're likely screwed | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | not really | 22:39 |
| dm8tbr | you can try catch the via with the solder | 22:39 |
| dm8tbr | or hope that it comes out somewhere else | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | if it was a badly soldered connector to start with likely the pads are intact | 22:39 |
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| peterbjornx | it was | 22:40 |
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| peterbjornx | but how hard is it to solder it | 22:40 |
| dm8tbr | yes, if just connector and pcb separated then it's easy | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | if you need to ask it's probably too hard for you | 22:40 |
| peterbjornx | and is the n900 pcb easily overheated | 22:40 |
| dm8tbr | peterbjornx: fine SMD soldering iron, 5s | 22:40 |
| peterbjornx | well i usually only solder THT | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | but it's possible for any solder monkey with experience of this type of thing :) | 22:40 |
| dm8tbr | btw: are there any pictures of the n900 pcb with the usb connector? | 22:41 |
| peterbjornx | is the usb also connected to the test pads? | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | i think so | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | dm8tbr: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 22:42 |
| dm8tbr | :p | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | DocScrutinizer: your image? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: yes | 22:43 |
| ali1234 | just found it through google images | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: yes | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 22:43 |
| infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 22:43 |
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| peterbjornx | docscrutinizer: do you have a pinout for the test pads | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:44 |
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| peterbjornx | is it online or can you upload it for me? | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414&page=4 | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 actually | 22:46 |
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| ali1234 | oh wow so that whole topic is about broken usb connectors :) | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997818&postcount=9 | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | peterbjornx: btw you could ask for a 5800 and to keep the broken n900... they use same battery so you can charge it in the 5800 and then put it in the n900 :) | 22:48 |
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| peterbjornx | do you think they still have the n900? | 22:50 |
| peterbjornx | i was thinking about soldering some thin wires to test pads\ | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | soldering to the testpads is not really encouraged | 22:52 |
| peterbjornx | cause of the no-protection issues? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the thread above has links to instructions how to properly fix a broken USB | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: cause of general messup by doing that | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the wires are under the battery, and you have no proper way to route them anywhere | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also especially not to the original USB | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | let me toss you the other 2 links from my bookmarks | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, pics gone http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997818&postcount=9 | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=693493#post693493 | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 | 22:56 |
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| peterbjornx | thx | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ has 2 pics of a blank pcb | 22:58 |
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| ali1234 | how did you manage to get those? | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | china makes it possible | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you can get all the relevant 3 traces on components nearby inside the can next to USB | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure talk.maemo.org has pictures of reworks that did that | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 5..10mm wire x 3 | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | studying the schematics and component placement diagrams therein you can spot the right solder points | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | din't worry about ID pin, it's mostly useless on N900 | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GND is obvious, leaves 3 to fix | 23:10 |
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| Venemo | alterego, good news: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia -> see Results | 23:12 |
| Venemo | alterego, your name appears just below mine :) | 23:12 |
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| npm | yess! (thanks quim and nokia) | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 get the zip | 23:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | :( | 23:16 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, I see your name in the list as well :) | 23:21 |
| lcuk | yup | 23:21 |
| * lcuk will be testing cross platformness | 23:21 | |
| lcuk | I hope you can help Venemo :) | 23:21 |
| lcuk | your app is quite an inspiration | 23:21 |
| Venemo | lcuk, sure I can help :) | 23:21 |
| Venemo | thanks for the kind words :) | 23:22 |
| alterego | Venemo: :) yes it does :) | 23:22 |
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| Venemo | although MohammadAG should also recieve one | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | congrats Venemo, lcuk and alterego | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt I'm getting one now tbh | 23:24 |
| * frals will be testing cross lcukness | 23:24 | |
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| frals | btw MohammadAG, just out of curiousity, are you under-age? | 23:24 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, are we still talking liqbase or you're planning a new app? | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, liqbase remains - nothing will run as fast or smooth as it on my other devices | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope MohammadAG wasn't on the list just because they are sending a contract to him to hire him | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | frals, no, not in IL | 23:26 |
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| MohammadAG | and I already dealt with a DDP once | 23:26 |
| frals | ok, just checking | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually Nokia is rather late on hiring MohammadAG - should have done that 4 months ago | 23:27 |
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| frals | why would anyone want to join nokia at this point? | 23:27 |
| frals | especially if you are in to oss? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, fair point | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | Was just writing that | 23:28 |
| frals | (for the record, i cant imagine a better place to work than where i work atm) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why Nokia definitely is late on this :-D | 23:28 |
| frals | if only elop never happend... bah ;P | 23:28 |
| Venemo | lcuk :) | 23:31 |
| Venemo | :D | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, anyway, again, considering Android atm | 23:31 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG could punch elop | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I can see why | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | I'll wait for the final list | 23:34 |
| niala | good luck to you | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | thanks | 23:35 |
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