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| TheBootroo | i updated my proto of MobileUX-NG : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23148#post23148 | 00:03 |
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| TheBootroo | say what you think about it on the forum | 00:03 |
| TheBootroo | kthx | 00:03 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: http://s015.radikal.ru/i333/1106/b5/824757191ad8.png | 00:05 |
| wazd | Jaffa: see the difference? :) | 00:05 |
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| thebootroo_ | any feedback about my UX ? | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | what is the extra button on the W1 for? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | is that for taking pictures? | 00:15 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: ping | 00:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Apparently | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, well the license is quite clear | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | I had to read it a number of times for clarity | 00:19 |
| lcuk | that is why you do not see any Nokia fonts on recent x86 liqbase builds. I need official permission to use them | 00:19 |
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| wazd | thebootroo_: I can check it if you'll show it to me :) | 00:24 |
| julienf | pretty good meetup in Birmingham :) | 00:24 |
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| Jaffa | julienf: Cool | 00:25 |
| julienf | Jaffa: indeed :) | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | julienf: Good that your train's moving too. You can never be too certain with Virgin! ;-) | 00:25 |
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| thebootroo_ | wazd: just look in the forum subject for the adress of the gitorious repos, dl it and compile on your pc to toy a little with it : the topic is here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23148 | 00:27 |
| thebootroo_ | my gitorious is there https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng | 00:27 |
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| thebootroo_ | wazd: so ? | 00:30 |
| thebootroo_ | atm there is only the apps menu, but widgets panels and timeline will comme soon | 00:31 |
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| thebootroo_ | sry for deco / reco i'm on gprs connexion | 00:34 |
| julienf | gotta love Virgin train network sysadmin... | 00:34 |
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| julienf | thebootroo_: am on train wifi leeching away :D | 00:34 |
| thebootroo_ | wifi still better than GPRS | 00:35 |
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| Jaffa | julienf: Drops every 15 mins? | 00:40 |
| julienf | yes, because of the hack. Times out every 15mins :) | 00:40 |
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| DawnFoster | julienf: that's fun | 00:42 |
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| julienf | DawnFoster: it is :) | 00:42 |
| DawnFoster | julienf: keeps you on your toes | 00:42 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: yeah well.. I know better things to keep me on my toes :) | 00:42 |
| berndhs | yeah put the beer on the top shelf | 00:44 |
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| julienf | haha :D | 00:45 |
| julienf | I don't really drink beer.. | 00:45 |
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| berndhs | its good for you | 00:46 |
| thebootroo_ | beer is bleh | 00:47 |
| thebootroo_ | i don't like it too | 00:47 |
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| thebootroo_ | wazd: do you sucess in testing my stuff ? | 00:48 |
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| alterego | julienf: you naughty hacker you :P | 00:50 |
| julienf | alterego: me? :D | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: (For the IRC log) - there seems to be a case sensitivity issue with COBS. I've got home:jaffa and home:Jaffa | 00:53 |
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| odin_ | good to see you again julienf have a safe trip home, the UK train system fast, cheap and efficient huh :P | 01:03 |
| thebootroo_ | did someone tested my proposal for MeeGo Unified Mobile UX ? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 01:04 |
| julienf | thanks odin_ let's catch up soon :) | 01:04 |
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| thebootroo_ | what time is it in your country ? | 01:12 |
| thebootroo_ | here (in france) its 00:13 AM | 01:12 |
| julienf | 23:13 in the UK :) | 01:12 |
| julienf | where are you in france? | 01:13 |
| thebootroo_ | lyon | 01:13 |
| satellit_ | 3:12 PM Oregon | 01:13 |
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| berndhs | in my country it is 15:15, 16:15, 17:15, 18:15, 19:15 and 19:45 | 01:15 |
| thebootroo_ | berndhs: in your city though | 01:16 |
| berndhs | 18:16 | 01:16 |
| thebootroo_ | ok | 01:17 |
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| berndhs | but it keeps changing every minute | 01:17 |
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| npm | in qtcreator 2.2.1 in tools->options...->Maemo->Maemo device configurations->Add allows you to add a configuration for "meego" and "Test" w/ passwordless ssh login worls. But there's no way to launch app to remote meego device. Any clues or is this just missing/partial functionality? | 01:18 |
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| gabrbedd | 17:20 | 01:19 |
| julienf | balgarath: for you too? Annoying isn't it? | 01:19 |
| julienf | berndhs: for you too? Annoying isn't it? | 01:19 |
| berndhs | yeah, confusing even | 01:20 |
| gabrbedd | Time keeps on slippin slippin slippin | 01:21 |
| gabrbedd | Into the future... | 01:21 |
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| auke | in my $domain it is Thu Jun 23 22:23:24 UTC 2011 | 01:23 |
| npm | " svn checkout http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube " --> compile w/ qtcreator qmltube.pro then run qmltube-build-desktop/qmltube and tell me why video playing hickups at start, but if you force it a little past start on the scrollbar it works... | 01:24 |
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| npm | qt mobility issue (?)... also, why does it go into crazy flickering mode on tablet | 01:25 |
| npm | during video playback | 01:25 |
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| npm | otherwise it works pretty well. now to figure out whether i can mix qt components in there or just steal the video player layout and transparent scrollbar thingie from meego-app-video | 01:27 |
| npm | (note, unlike the stock qmltube 0.9.8, the version above is ifdef'd for generic linux (and meego) vs maemo) | 01:31 |
| npm | i guess some would call that a port | 01:31 |
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| npm | if you select a youtube video and click the play button, you get a window like http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube-playing-video.png ... you have to force playback by clicking ahead of 0'00 in scrollbar to make the video playback start. otherwise it always starts then stalls.... | 01:41 |
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| Elleo | does the version of qtcreator packaged in meego not support the design mode for qml? | 01:56 |
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| Elleo | I've got qtcreator running inside a meego chroot, and while I can write qml manually and have it run (including using meego widgets) the design mode remains greyed out | 01:57 |
| TheBootroo | which meego are you talking about ? | 01:57 |
| Elleo | 1.2 netbook edition | 01:57 |
| TheBootroo | what is qtcreator version ? | 01:57 |
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| Elleo | it has qtcreator 2.1, which normally would appear to ship with qml design support | 01:57 |
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| TheBootroo | yes it would | 01:58 |
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| TheBootroo | probablyy the plugin is disabled | 01:59 |
| Elleo | I checked through the plugins list | 01:59 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 01:59 |
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| Elleo | but couldn't see anything that seemed relevant, other than designer which was already enabled | 01:59 |
| TheBootroo | so no idea | 01:59 |
| Elleo | besides which everything was enabled other than the "Hello World" plugin | 01:59 |
| Elleo | I also installed the qtdesigner package, but that appears to just be for traditional QT ui stuff | 01:59 |
| Elleo | I guess I'll just try installing one of the qtcreator bundles from the nokia site | 02:00 |
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| TheBootroo | but imho, qml is not needed : look what i did using plain qt and css : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 02:00 |
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| Elleo | looks nice, but I just want to be able to make use of the meego ux components, rather than do much styling of stuff myself | 02:01 |
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| TheBootroo | i like doing all by myself, result fits more my idea | 02:04 |
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| Elleo | hur, the license agreement for the qtcreator installer bundle from nokia displays in some symbol based font: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/license.png | 02:06 |
| Elleo | perhaps I'm agreeing to only talk in moonspeak from now on | 02:07 |
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| berndhs | you're jsut agreeing to pay the shipping from Mars | 02:10 |
| Elleo | hmm, I guess it was left out for a reason, it just segfaults when I open the designer in 2.2 :/ | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Licence agreements from nokia are so fun! | 02:11 |
| * SpeedEvil has a bug or three on that. | 02:11 | |
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| mbuschman | Is anyone running Meego on Recent AMD hardware? | 02:34 |
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| mbuschman | or, the next, and probably slightly crazier question: Is it possible to build the Meego UIs themselves on another distribution like Gentoo? | 02:47 |
| mbuschman | Has anyone done anything like this? | 02:47 |
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| TSCHAKeee | mbuschman: go get the source code and have at it | 02:49 |
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| mbuschman | TSCHAKeee: Right. Is there any more organized means of downloading the source code other than checking out random bits from gitorious? | 02:49 |
| mbuschman | Is there any doc in existence on how to build this thing? | 02:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's all on the wiki, MeeGo is built by an Open Build system server, which builds the packages | 02:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | and meego-image-creator creates the OS images. | 02:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're going to have to roll your own stuff | 02:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | which...based on the questions you're asking.... | 02:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | you might not be up to the task. | 02:51 |
| mbuschman | TSCHAKeee: I've seen the build server stuff, and all of that... and that's great, clearly there's a system in place... | 02:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | the concept of MeeGo was as such for an OEM, or an interested person to be able to assemble the system they needed without having to build the source. | 02:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | s/was/is/ | 02:53 |
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| infobot | TSCHAKeee meant: the concept of MeeGo is as such for an OEM, or an interested person to be able to assemble the system they needed without having to build the source. | 02:53 |
| satellit_ | mbuschman: I just tried to start Meego from working usb external Hd with hp amd turion x64x2 and it will not boot. also the USB installer from the a.s .img file will not start | 02:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | satellit_: you're missing SSSE3 most likely. | 02:53 |
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| satellit_ | that is what it said | 02:54 |
| mbuschman | TSCHAKeee: I'm sure if I wanted RPMs, I could get some built. As you said, I'll need to roll my own. | 02:54 |
| mbuschman | satellit_: My CPU has the required extensions, and it does boot the image, but ... I'm running radeon graphics, so X refuses to start... | 02:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | i would suggest studying the existing images and working backwards. | 02:54 |
| mbuschman | TSCHAKeee: Ouch. I was afraid you were going to say that. | 02:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yes, meego's x86 images are built with Intel GMA chips in mind. | 02:55 |
| mbuschman | Right. | 02:55 |
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| mbuschman | So, what kind of boot times are possible with Meego as-is? | 03:05 |
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| mbuschman | (my rationale for using gentoo is boot speed - right now, I'm at about 5.5 sec from poweron to UI) | 03:07 |
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| BlueAidan | so the openssl situation on 1.2 is not good | 04:00 |
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| BlueAidan | you can't install openssl-certs, as it depends on a script in openssl-perl, but that won't install correctly because of a missing perl package | 04:01 |
| BlueAidan | c_rehash isn't supplied by the openssl package | 04:01 |
| BlueAidan | but openssl-certs assumes it is | 04:02 |
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| BlueAidan | 1Problem: nothing provides perl(WWW::Curl::Easy) needed by openssl-perl-1.0.0c-2.4.i586 | 04:03 |
| BlueAidan | /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.sXFbXm: line 2: c_rehash: command not found | 04:04 |
| BlueAidan | warning: %post(openssl-certs-0.9.8h-27.12.noarch) scriptlet failed, exit status 127 | 04:04 |
| BlueAidan | http://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=openssl-certs.spec&package=openssl-certs&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss&srcmd5=e7a27797d3ab6772c6064f3a503efd90 | 04:07 |
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| BlueAidan | line 37 | 04:07 |
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| berndhs | BlueAidan: sound like a bug, I would file it | 04:14 |
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| roofboard | hi all! | 04:20 |
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| roofboard | has anybody had any luck adding repositories to meego or using an alternate package manager? | 04:21 |
| berndhs | adding repositories is easy with "zypper ar" | 04:22 |
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| roofboard | but i cannot find and .repo links to use | 04:25 |
| roofboard | itdoes that statement make sense? | 04:26 |
| berndhs | not really | 04:26 |
| berndhs | you know a repo that you want to add ? | 04:26 |
| roofboard | sure i want to get the full open suse repo | 04:27 |
| berndhs | adding repos from other distros isn't going to work very well | 04:27 |
| ali1234 | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem | 04:27 |
| berndhs | that's not the package manager, that's the content of the other repos | 04:27 |
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| roofboard | hi, it worked... i think well were are refreshing! hopefully i can now get a fricken system monitor | 04:45 |
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| roofboard | its so annoying not being able to see whom my processor hog then kill the app | 04:46 |
| roofboard | well, does anybody know if twitter is supposed to be supported natively by meego? | 04:47 |
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| roofboard | hey ive got an issue, the PackageKit will not close! | 04:58 |
| berndhs | my dogs are barking too much tonight | 05:01 |
| roofboard | so, i hate to be blunt here but there is no system monitor bundled with this os correct? | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | 'system monitor' ? | 05:02 |
| roofboard | you know... like a task manager | 05:02 |
| berndhs | there is one, i forget what its called | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | top? | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Which UX are you meaning? | 05:03 |
| roofboard | UX? | 05:03 |
| berndhs | netbook tablet handset ... | 05:03 |
| roofboard | netbook, | 05:03 |
| berndhs | UX is like a UI only more so | 05:03 |
| roofboard | i typed top into the terminal | 05:04 |
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| roofboard | now does it have a pretty gui component? | 05:04 |
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| roofboard | cause i am having one hell of a time getting the package manager to quit! | 05:06 |
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| berndhs | isn't it called gnome-system-monitor or something like that ? | 05:08 |
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| roofboard | so, is this thing built to integrate with twitter? | 05:40 |
| roofboard | that is, does meego netbook integrate with twitter? | 05:42 |
| roofboard | i also heard that it could run android apps? is that true? | 05:43 |
| roofboard | guess not. | 05:44 |
| b1tsh1ft | http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx | 05:45 |
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| Jay_BEE | lo | 05:48 |
| wmarone_ | roofboard: -meego- is not, Harmattan (as found on the N9) is | 05:50 |
| wmarone_ | and there is no word on whether or not the N9 can run Android apps | 05:50 |
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| b1tsh1ft | There has been quite a bit of speculation though: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/22/android-apps-for-meego-nokia-n9-with-myriads-alien-dalvik/ | 05:51 |
| wmarone_ | no reason it couldn't | 05:51 |
| wmarone_ | heck, they could put it up in Nokia's store | 05:51 |
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| Termana | morning | 07:07 |
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| berndhs | yes just barely 14 mins old | 07:14 |
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| Jay_BEE | yes, barely out the gate | 07:17 |
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| Jay_BEE | who tripped over the power cord? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't me | 08:52 |
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| sofar | it's those awful power adapter plugs! | 08:55 |
| Jay_BEE | heh. | 08:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 09:05 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 09:05 |
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| vgrade | morning | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | morn | 09:17 |
| TheBootroo | morning | 09:17 |
| TheBootroo | i didn't sleep last night to make my project go forward | 09:18 |
| TheBootroo | look there if you didn't yet : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had a nice chat with infobot ;-) | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and polished maemi wiki about N950 a bit | 09:19 |
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| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: good | 09:19 |
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| TheBootroo | N950 is THE best phone arounf tehre | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas.... *sigh* | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | wcdma pentaband | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | could really fly even in USA | 09:20 |
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| TheBootroo | goof | 09:20 |
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| TheBootroo | *good | 09:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh US nerds *need* portrait, so N9 is clearly for USA | 09:21 |
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| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: N950 does both potrait and | 09:21 |
| SpeedEvil | If anyone could dump related links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N950_Hardware_Misc would be welcome | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo | landscape | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (heard they always only have one hand free, don't like to elaborate on that now) | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo | lol | 09:22 |
| Jay_BEE | ahh the latest pinetrail 1.2 build is looking nice on the exopc | 09:22 |
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| TheBootroo | ohter hand to keep a coke, a hamburger or touch some babe ass** | 09:22 |
| TheBootroo | i assume | 09:22 |
| * Jay_BEE chuckles | 09:23 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I dunno, just quoting other US users who seem to have a special notion about their co-citizens | 09:24 |
| TheBootroo | go there and look the last -1 post : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 09:24 |
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| achipa | Jaffa: ...pppppONG | 09:40 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: Can't remember why I pinged | 09:41 |
| Jaffa | So, good morning :) | 09:41 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: Ah, here's one - Qt SDK Harmattan targets still seem to put things under /opt: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3634&goto=newpost | 09:42 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i spent night in improving my proto for a new unified mobile UX for meego community, it's taking shape (look last -1 msg): http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 09:43 |
| TheBootroo | i want the opinion of some great personnality of meego | 09:44 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Ah, it looks like another Qt Creator "I'll pretend to abstract things for you, but watch out - I won't" | 09:44 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: I'll have a look when I get to work | 09:44 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: ok | 09:44 |
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| Jay_BEE | gah... manual timezone setting is b0rk3d | 09:48 |
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| bkalinga | http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ | 09:51 |
| bkalinga | where is this now | 09:51 |
| bkalinga | meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.ks refers to that | 09:52 |
| bkalinga | can some one point out where it has been archived | 09:52 |
| thiago_home | not sure we archive every single daily build | 09:54 |
| thiago_home | it's a lot of files | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | archive.meego.com maybe | 09:54 |
| bonbinker | I comefrom china .please take care me ,thinks | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, i doubt explicit snapshots are archived beyond a month | 09:54 |
| achipa | Jaffa: there might be some template cruft from fremantle | 09:56 |
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| bkalinga | Hi I am stuck at a point after following steps from http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/developing-chroot-and-xephyr-linux-only to "Change root" into the MeeGo image | 09:59 |
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| bkalinga | i have Installed MeeGo Image Creator | 10:00 |
| bkalinga | but not getting how to create a .img | 10:00 |
| bkalinga | i understand i need to create a loop image using sudo mic-image-creator --config=default.ks --format=loop --cache=mycache | 10:02 |
| bkalinga | but i am not getting from where i ll get this default.ks | 10:02 |
| bkalinga | can someone please help me | 10:02 |
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| julienf | morning! :) | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:05 |
| thiago_home | morning julien | 10:05 |
| julienf | morning Stskeeps & thiago_home | 10:06 |
| julienf | way too early for me... :D | 10:06 |
| vgrade | morning | 10:06 |
| bonbinker | evening | 10:07 |
| Jay_BEE | evening | 10:08 |
| TheBootroo | morning here | 10:08 |
| bonbinker | sun dropping | 10:08 |
| TheBootroo | (9 AM ) | 10:08 |
| Jay_BEE | sun been gone for quite sometime here | 10:08 |
| Jay_BEE | lil' past midnight | 10:09 |
| bonbinker | raining Day is ending | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo | here in Lyon (france) the sun is rising since 5 AM and we already suffer of ~28°C at 9 AM what will it be this afternoon ? kind like 35°C ? damn too hot... | 10:09 |
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| bkalinga | Hi there can some one please point me to some default.ks file so that i can use mic-chroot: to get a MeeGo environment from a loop image for development | 10:12 |
| bkalinga | I am stuck from last night | 10:12 |
| bonbinker | my english is poor,but i can understant QT API document,dont't speaking englist, | 10:12 |
| julienf | TheBootroo: wow... that's definitely hot. I'm gonna be near Lyon next week | 10:13 |
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| TheBootroo | julienf: oh cool ! you will come seeing me ? | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | ^^^ | 10:14 |
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| bonbinker | I can't speak English very well | 10:14 |
| bonbinker | i can chinas english,ha ha ha ha ~~~~~ | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | bonbinker: what is you primary language ? | 10:14 |
| bonbinker | chinese | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 10:14 |
| thiago_home | TheBootroo: considering bonbinker said he/she's fron china, chinese is likely | 10:15 |
| TheBootroo | so i cant help you | 10:15 |
| TheBootroo | thiago_home: he posted durin i was typing the quesiton ;-) | 10:15 |
| julienf | TheBootroo: I would love to but I think my schedule is going to be really tight. If you've got a car, you can come to Bourg en Bresse :) | 10:15 |
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| julienf | bonbinker: spend some more time here and you'll learn :) google translate is your friend :D | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | on which occasion ? | 10:16 |
| bonbinker | you know ,chinese people (student )english is poor | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | i don't have a car :-( | 10:16 |
| thiago_home | Google translate seems to have invented "gorilla ice cream" | 10:16 |
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| bonbinker | NO i like meego, | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | bonbinker: usually, french people english is poor too, but it will not keep me from trying at elast | 10:17 |
| bonbinker | i am is Software Engineer | 10:17 |
| bonbinker | but english is bad | 10:17 |
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| TheBootroo | bonbinker: surprinsing, since SE needs to know english very well, at least technical one | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | gorilla ice cream been invented at Berlin Zoo afaik ;-) | 10:18 |
| bkalinga | any there around who knows how to prepare a .img file for mic-chroot | 10:18 |
| bkalinga | any one around there who knows how to prepare a .img file for mic-chroot | 10:19 |
| bonbinker | yes ,,but ,china educate is ^^^^^,,,NO have no way | 10:20 |
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| Jay_BEE | gn | 10:21 |
| bkalinga | Stskeeps: thiago_home: Do you have any idea for my problem | 10:24 |
| bonbinker | The Nokia N950 Developer Kit is available to qualifying Nokia Developer Launchpad members who have published apps to Ovi Store, or have started to develop their apps using Qt. If you wish to obtain one of these kits, please send your request to: nokia.developer.launchpad@nokia.com. The deadline for submitting requests is 31 July 2011. | 10:26 |
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| popo | hi | 10:34 |
| popo | is it able to install libqt-devel? | 10:36 |
| popo | on meego | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:36 |
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| popo | I'm not found in repository | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | called libqt4-devel i think | 10:37 |
| popo | ok thank you very much | 10:38 |
| popo | this library isn't found | 10:40 |
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| popo | also | 10:40 |
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| bkalinga | Stskeeps: do have any idea how to create .img file for chroot? | 10:41 |
| alterego | Why do you need a .img file for chrooting? | 10:42 |
| alterego | You just need the systems root directory structure. | 10:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bonbinker: MEH | 10:49 |
| bkalinga | alterego: "systems root directory structure " you mean sysroots/meego-tablet-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1-fs | 10:49 |
| alterego | Oh, you want to mount the image and chroot that? | 10:49 |
| bkalinga | alterego: i have installed MeeGo1.2 SDK | 10:50 |
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| bkalinga | yes i want to mount something (*.img) and chroot that | 10:50 |
| alterego | Never heard of anyone mounting a madde fs .. | 10:50 |
| alterego | It probably wont work | 10:50 |
| bkalinga | no i don't want to mount madde fs exactly | 10:51 |
| bkalinga | what people usually chroot? | 10:51 |
| bkalinga | i want to use chroot and Xephyr as my dev environment | 10:52 |
| bkalinga | how can i achieve that | 10:52 |
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| bkalinga | alterego: have a look at it http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/developing-chroot-and-xephyr-linux-only | 10:53 |
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| bkalinga | please look at "Change root" into the MeeGo image" section | 10:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bonbinker: where from? | 10:58 |
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| roofboard | hey what do you use as a application manager? | 12:03 |
| roofboard | aka system monitor or task manager | 12:04 |
| roofboard | i have meebo netbook edition and need some thing like tom but with a pretty gui | 12:05 |
| roofboard | imean something like top but with a gui | 12:07 |
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| roofboard | is anybody using yum with ubuntu? | 12:12 |
| roofboard | imean meego? | 12:12 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:12 |
| roofboard | lardman: have you tried using yum on meego? | 12:14 |
| lardman | nope, sorry | 12:15 |
| slaine | roofboard: it was removed in 1.1 | 12:16 |
| TheBootroo | what do you think about my Qt version for meego handset of the WP7 tile wall (enhanced indeed) http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/803017PageGadgets.png | 12:16 |
| TheBootroo | (colours can be changed through a CSS file | 12:16 |
| TheBootroo | i 'll make editing UI later | 12:17 |
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| roofboard | slane: thanks um.... why is their a reason for that? i am gettring really annoyed with how slow PackageKit is! | 12:20 |
| roofboard | egsh, i guess its dyslexia day! | 12:21 |
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| slaine | zypper is the new cmdline package management tool. | 12:22 |
| dm8tbr | TheBootroo: btw the concept behind the tile wall is that there are no frills, at all. | 12:22 |
| roofboard | cmd line is great... if you know what you want ; ) i was hoping to find me a less buggy gui! | 12:23 |
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| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: i don't try to copy WP7 wall which is hideous, i did a mashup between WP7 tiles, MAemo5 homescreen, Symbian gadgets and integrated into the style of my prototype | 12:25 |
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| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: i think you really can't get the same level as another product if we just try to copy-and-paste the more reallistically as possbile | 12:26 |
| TheBootroo | we need to differentiate and find our own identity, while taking best ideas regardless from where they are coming from | 12:26 |
| dm8tbr | TheBootroo: I do see the merit in making the UI more plain, less gradients, less bling, less 3d | 12:26 |
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| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: there is a limit | 12:27 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not arguing you should not experiment. I'm just saying that there was a conscious decision why MS went with the very plain UI and part of it was performance. | 12:27 |
| TheBootroo | i'm not for blingbling but the final thing has to be a minimum bordered, couloured (not one only bleh blue) and try to respect some spacing and centering rules, unlike the MS thing which has a lot a lost place on the right but one the left, which give the impression the screen is not centered on the device | 12:29 |
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| TheBootroo | i understand ms position , after Vista's fail, they xwanted to do the complete opposite, not eye cnady at all, but i think its too much, we need to find the right equilibre point : look at harmattan ! beautiful but non as charged as iOS or HTC Sense ! | 12:30 |
| TheBootroo | from my part i'll try later to focus on 4-5 soft colors, and smooth appeance : only two stops by gradient, to avoid 'big 3D toshop bumpy thing with 10 stops gradient' | 12:32 |
| TheBootroo | i will have to make more icons | 12:32 |
| TheBootroo | in the style of Faenza / humanity / tango / elementary : soft colors and pictographical, instead of glossy and photorealistic stuff of some OSes | 12:33 |
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| roofboard | has anybody heard of using yum in meego notebook? | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | use zypper instead | 12:43 |
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| Jaffa | TheBootroo: I think the gradients should be *very* subtle, and the transparency reduced. The labels at the bottom should use different colours for the different panels, and be unlabelled. I'd also make the icons really small and copy Nokia's swipe to move between them (like the N900 home screens) | 12:43 |
| slaine | roofboard: I answered that already | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Less text, in other words. Lose "Click here to lock the device" and "Change the profile" | 12:44 |
| roofboard | slane: well... i'm trying to install it right now, just waiting on an endless download, hopefully i dont crash my system | 12:45 |
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| slaine | roofboard: There's a pretty good zypper cheatsheet that I have to call up every so often as I'm more used to yum/apt | 12:47 |
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| roofboard | Slane: thanks for all the help man ive always been a ubuntu/debian person so this is like learning a whole new linux! | 12:48 |
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| bkalinga | Hi all i am creating my own image by taking .ks file from http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/images/meego-tablet-ia32-mfld/ now i see its trying to download http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/sample-media-0.4-2.1.i586.rpm which is a big file and idont not want this | 12:49 |
| bkalinga | how can configure so that MIC2 will exclude this | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | add -sample-media in %packages | 12:49 |
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| bkalinga | Stskeeps: thanks | 12:51 |
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| Arkenoi | every time i spot black n7 on the street my eyes are instinctively trying to pop out to look closer if that might be n950 | 12:55 |
| Arkenoi | e7 even | 12:55 |
| bkalinga | Stskeeps: .ks file does not contain the debug repo can i add it and installed selected packages using "individual pkgs" under %packages | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | bkalinga: yes | 12:55 |
| Arkenoi | they look quite similar from the distance | 12:55 |
| bkalinga | or it will install all the package contained in that repo? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:56 |
| bkalinga | how that being controlled ? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | package groups + packages you include + their dependancies are what's being dragged in | 12:56 |
| bkalinga | ok | 12:57 |
| bkalinga | repo --name=1.2-oss --baseurl=http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ --save --debuginfo --source --gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego | 12:57 |
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| bkalinga | is there in my .ks file | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | you really shouldn't use download.meego, use repo.meego.com | 12:57 |
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| bkalinga | --save --debuginfo means | 12:57 |
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| bkalinga | acually above link is invalid now i searched a bit and found a valid link @ http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ | 12:59 |
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| bkalinga | from next time i ll use repo.meego.com | 12:59 |
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| bkalinga | so when i change the repo url next time will my cache will be still valid | 13:00 |
| bkalinga | or everything will get downloaded again | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | will be downloaded, when you change repo url | 13:00 |
| bkalinga | --save --debuginfo means | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | means save it into /etc/zypp/repos.d/ | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | for use in image | 13:01 |
| bkalinga | that means debug info also getting downloaded | 13:01 |
| roofboard | man, with all the distros out there and stuff, you would imagine their would be a training program, like an online class where one could sign up for a free primer of instructor led linux! maybe when i have a million dollars to donate to the linux foundation! its annowing that my school only offers "boring microsoft bla" | 13:02 |
| Venemo | roofboard, I agree | 13:02 |
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| bkalinga | roofboard: did i make you annoying ? | 13:05 |
| roofboard | yah, full of spelling errors today! started zyban it makes ya a lil drowsy! | 13:06 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i'm not trying to do a swipe like UI, a opposite i would say i want a tap based UX and i will almost never put a button without legend. BUt for gradients yes they will be smoothed and colors goind pastel | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | TheBootroo: Keep in mind that handsets can have 16bit displays. So gradients are ugly there. | 13:11 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: the UI must be usable with one pulse and without multitouch | 13:11 |
| TheBootroo | X-Fade: 16 bit is crap and must disappear | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but you can't do anything about that ;) | 13:11 |
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| moofree | 16 bit is great! voodoo3 for life! :) | 13:12 |
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| TheBootroo | ok its food time here | 13:12 |
| TheBootroo | AFK i'll be back | 13:12 |
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| roofboard | umm make you annoying... umm well i pretty sure my friends are getting annoyed with me constantly showing them how much windows sucks! then them thinking "im lucky i dont have to learn all that in windows" | 13:15 |
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| CosmoHill | spam? | 13:17 |
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| roofboard | no just responce to a question earlier | 13:19 |
| roofboard | hey do you know what the deal with packagekit is? | 13:20 |
| roofboard | i mean is it generally pretty buggy? | 13:21 |
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| CosmoHill | roofboard: fair enough, I must have missed the question | 13:26 |
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| roofboard | cosmo, are you familiar with Package kit? | 13:27 |
| roofboard | CosmoHill: | 13:27 |
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| roofboard | does anybody know what the deal with packagekit is? | 13:46 |
| roofboard | i mean is it generally pretty buggy? | 13:46 |
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| slaine | roofboard: not really, it's used by pretty much every major distro | 14:00 |
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| roofboard | ok, i ask because it keeps locking up on me, will not terminate when i close it, and will not terminate when zypper tells it too. i end up having to reboot! | 14:02 |
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| roofboard | slaine: btw what is your primary os? what do you use meego on? | 14:03 |
| slaine | PackageKit runs as daemon in the background iirc. | 14:04 |
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| slaine | I have no Primary OS, I used Mac OSX, Fedora 14/15, Debian/Ubuntu and MeeGo on a daily basis | 14:04 |
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| slaine | I run MeeGo on my n900, my Lenovo IdeaPad and a Dell Mini9 | 14:05 |
| roofboard | slaine: Right on man, thanks erm... would you please translate "daemon in the background iirc" mainly iirc how do i control that? | 14:06 |
| slaine | iirc == if i recall correctly | 14:07 |
| slaine | daemon means a background service | 14:07 |
| roofboard | so how would you go about killing it? because when i top it doesn't show up. | 14:08 |
| slaine | What are you trying to do ? | 14:08 |
| slaine | as in, why do you want to kill packagekit | 14:09 |
| roofboard | well... because it keeps going unresponsive on me zypper works well for instalations but Package Kit just gets stuck! | 14:10 |
| roofboard | I also dont understand why it must constantly update its database, once per session should be fine. unless i am unclear on its function, all i know is synaptic in ubuntu seems much more responsive | 14:13 |
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| roofboard | the last time package kit froze was because i guess i had a bad repo listed and it just wouldnt time out. | 14:16 |
| bkalinga | i created my own image by taking .ks file and the .img file is created as ~/meego-tablet-ia32-mfld-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82-1.1.99.20110624.1417.img | 14:17 |
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| bkalinga | but i see bind_unmount: /lib/modules/2.6.32-30-generic-pae -> /var/cache/meego-bootstrap//lib/modules/2.6.32-30-generic-pae | 14:17 |
| bkalinga | why there is /var/cache/meego-bootstrap | 14:17 |
| roofboard | its weird though becaue it will freeze then i will close the application, and it will still keep running lopcked in the background | 14:18 |
| bkalinga | that is consuming a lot of spave | 14:18 |
| bkalinga | *space | 14:18 |
| bkalinga | My image itself is 2.5GB | 14:19 |
| bkalinga | can someone tell me what /var/cache/meego-bootstrap is for | 14:20 |
| bkalinga | can i safely delete it | 14:20 |
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| TheBootroo | back | 14:55 |
| MSM | Welcome back | 14:56 |
| Arkenoi | rumors say alien dalvik *will* be available for n9 after all, can anyone confirm? | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | thx | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | Arkenoi: it will obvioulsy, but none know when | 14:57 |
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| roofboard | did i miss anything? | 15:03 |
| roofboard | shoot! it's 5 oclock! i have to start making rounds! i will check that out but i have to log off feel free to e-mail me at roof.board@gmail.com | 15:05 |
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| bkalinga | zypper install meego-simulator-launcher-tablet | 15:29 |
| bkalinga | Problem: meego-simulator-launcher-tablet-1.0.4-1.1.i586 requires mesa-libEGL, but this requirement cannot be provided | 15:29 |
| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/G42bD6w9 | 15:30 |
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| xd13 | meego will be community supported like maemo right ? | 15:40 |
| bkalinga | any one has any idea why zypper install meego-simulator-launcher-tablet giving error | 15:40 |
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| bkalinga | bash: startmeego: command not found | 15:47 |
| bkalinga | can someone point what is missing i chroot to my created .img | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | heya folks | 16:01 |
| slaine | hey lcuk | 16:01 |
| lcuk | who has the N9 ux specs? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | and a question: with the icon stuff being so pixel perfect | 16:01 |
| lcuk | what happens when we use the same apps on different machines with different screen resolutions | 16:02 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: .o/ | 16:02 |
| lcuk | \o CosmoHill slaine | 16:02 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I've pondered similar. I wonder how my icon will look on Symbian (probably OK?) or Maemo (probably a bit odd) or MeeGo (probably weird) | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, it should look ok, the general guidelines are helpful | 16:07 |
| lcuk | need a thing to show the icones at different scales though | 16:07 |
| lcuk | to let people test | 16:08 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: It should look OK until the next device running MeeGo has different icon guidelines ;-) | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, !!! | 16:12 |
| lcuk | but but but | 16:12 |
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| alterego | lcuk: had a delivery yet? | 16:15 |
| alterego | Baby or packages? ;) | 16:15 |
| lcuk | alterego, no she is still pottering around | 16:15 |
| lcuk | alterego, she is massive now | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Overdue? | 16:18 |
| lcuk | the water shortage is caused by the swimming pool this baby is using | 16:18 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, over a week now | 16:18 |
| fiferboy | Wow, my second son was 5-6 days overdue | 16:18 |
| lcuk | if you have not ever had a baby, look away now | 16:18 |
| lcuk | technical womanly stuff: she has had her show but waters have not broke yet | 16:19 |
| fiferboy | Will they induce after a certain wait? Here they only left you go two weeks overdue | 16:20 |
| lcuk | sunday | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Good luck to her. | 16:20 |
| fiferboy | Not much longer then (but it will seem like a week to her) | 16:20 |
| lcuk | it already seems like an age since monday. were in hospital for hours then after show showed | 16:21 |
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| RhymeswA | lcuk: Good luck to her and you ... sounds like it won't be long ;) | 16:26 |
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| CosmoHill | aahh my eyes | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | unicorn chaser | 16:27 |
| * SpeedEvil has delivered babies - it's not that bad. | 16:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | (Though they were goats) | 16:28 |
| lcuk | was the mum surprised? | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (and yes, I know, it's not as easy as that) | 16:28 |
| lcuk | tracy would be surprised if she gave birth to a goat | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I bet you would too. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Top class april fool though. | 16:29 |
| lcuk | not really tbh | 16:29 |
| CosmoHill | "your baby has a fine fur coat....wait a minute..." | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | "Oh, *that's* where I left it" | 16:30 |
| lcuk | this baby is so late out we are expecting it to have a beard close in length to santa | 16:30 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, how would you do a swipe on a device with a bezel | 16:33 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Fair question. However in terms of TheBootroo's UX, the swipe between the homescreens could be Maemo 5-like swiping/panning, rather than N9-style "slide from off the screen". The N9 needs that to get home, but there's talk of MeeGo UX already requiring a hardware button. | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, in some experimental thingies, a swipe from 10% left of right hand side of the screen (with detected swipe to left/right can be useful | 16:36 |
| lcuk | not that there is anything like OpenSwipe being retrofitted | 16:37 |
| lcuk | of course | 16:37 |
| lcuk | and such a thing cannot be testing on n900s | 16:37 |
| lcuk | or ideapads | 16:38 |
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| lbt | mcfrisk: or ask in #meego-arm they are motivated to help 'real' vendors out | 16:51 |
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| Arkenoi | well, we have a phone and a half for next year or two. the question is what are we going to do next? is there a way to convince someone to invest $0.5..1.5M in chinese "generic phone" open enough to port meego to it? | 16:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: yes. | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I am quite willing to invest $2M in the project. | 16:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone want to send me $2.1m so I can invest in open phones? | 16:58 |
| Iso | Nice try. | 16:58 |
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| MSM | SpeedEvil http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ | 16:58 |
| clbr | I've got half a spare bitcoin left, if we have time enough I'll bring up the $2M in some years | 16:59 |
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| jonwil | The biggest problem you will find with any "open phone" project is finding a decent cellular baseband chipset/modem/etc | 17:00 |
| Arkenoi | there is shitload of chinese android crap, and if it runs android it means it may *potentially* run meego. and that "potentially" is just one or two hundred thousands bucks away. Zero for Nokia, infinity for me :-( | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Go and look at the price of chinese 3G phones. | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It's quite high | 17:00 |
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| dm8tbr | the problem with chinese crap is that it uses chinese undocumented chipsets | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM phones - cheeeep | 17:00 |
| dm8tbr | try to get proper docs for RockChip... | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | what's the problem with 3g for china? | 17:01 |
| jonwil | Most of the generic crap phones you see from China (all those KIRF phones) tend to use the same generic quad-band dual SIM crappy el-cheapo chipset | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | jonwil: mtk, yes | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | mtk has 3g chipsets as well | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Very few phones out of china are 3G. Those that are carry around a hundred to a hundred and fifty dollar premium | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | SpeedEvil: hundred plus for $200 phone is still 3 times cheaper than n9 when it comes out :-) | 17:02 |
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| Arkenoi | and $200 smartphones from china are 1GHz snapdragons | 17:03 |
| lbt | ping Jaffa | 17:03 |
| Arkenoi | 460MHz mtk are for $120-150 | 17:03 |
| lbt | Apps reminder | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Wander round http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/423767224-gps-module-SKG11B-12-12-4mm-the-smallest-dimension-wholesalers.html and find a decent phone you'd like, and mail them asking about how much source and openness would be | 17:03 |
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| Arkenoi | openness is a problem | 17:04 |
| Arkenoi | chinese guys have very strange mentality about IP | 17:04 |
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| Arkenoi | they may break the deal refusing to provide you documentation you later find being freely available | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | No they don't. | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | nom nom nom. | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Simples. | 17:06 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | anybody know what the extra button on the W1 is ? | 17:08 |
| lcuk | is it this missing camera button? | 17:08 |
| Andy80 | I've a Qt dilemma: I'd like to target Maemo, Harmattan, Symbian touch with my application, but... If I target only Harmattan I already have QML Components ready to use (buttons, sliders ecc...). If I create a generick "QtQuick Project" I don't have these components available. Should I target only harmattan and wait for these components to be available on Maemo and Symbian too or should I create my components from scratch? | 17:08 |
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| Arkenoi | speedevil, i know a man who tried to order dvd players with custom ui | 17:10 |
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| Arkenoi | he finally gave up because the cycle of fixes was infinite and they strictly refused to provide sdk to any external team | 17:11 |
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| fiferboy | Andy80: I think the plan is to be able to target multiple platforms with the Qt Components (Harmattan, Maemo5, Desktop, Symbian, etc) but I'm not sure what the current status is | 17:11 |
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| Arkenoi | so finally he just told them to fuck off and die | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | I know there is some work in git right now re-merging the components work that was done behind closed doors | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | Maybe this is what we need to wait for | 17:12 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, language | 17:12 |
| Arkenoi | sorry | 17:12 |
| Andy80 | fiferboy: yeah, that's what I hope.... anyway I want to be clear: my main target is Harmattan... but of course I'd like my applicatin to be able to run on Maemo and Symbian too | 17:14 |
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| Andy80 | maybe villev has some idea about this? | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | Andy80: With Qt Components, I think that should be fairly easy | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | Andy80: There is the additional complication of MeeGo UX Components as well | 17:15 |
| biston | good evening, to install meego 1.2 summer release on the eMMC of my N900 i should use the same de-installer for the dev edition ? | 17:15 |
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| lcuk | biston, try using the same instructions you did for the dev release, yues | 17:16 |
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| biston | okay thanks | 17:16 |
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| hiemanshu | lcuk: the new phone is called W1? | 17:20 |
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| wazd | Guess Elop forgot to consider having the worlds best firefighters on the burning platform. <- bravo :) | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | wazd, how easy would it be to make the Windows Phone British Airways app on meego? | 17:37 |
| lcuk | (serious question, that app look lovely) | 17:38 |
| timoph | lcuk: o/ | 17:38 |
| lcuk | hi timoph are you enjoying the summer house? :D | 17:38 |
| timoph | very much | 17:38 |
| lcuk | when you look outside do you nokians camp in closeness to each other | 17:39 |
| lcuk | or do you all do to different locations? | 17:39 |
| timoph | not so much :) | 17:39 |
| lcuk | do the nokians* | 17:39 |
| timoph | I did see an awesome tree though :) | 17:39 |
| lcuk | photos! | 17:39 |
| lcuk | always take photos | 17:39 |
| timoph | wait a sec | 17:39 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:39 |
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| * timoph took | 17:39 | |
| lcuk | ooh | 17:40 |
| lcuk | wazd, that question is real, see presentation about BA app | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | new community edition video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WgB3sgwz24 | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the video has not yet been uploaded and you are promoting it already! | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | your time travelling n950 is that awesome :P | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | Hey wazd, how's the D7000? | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: odd, i can view it | 17:42 |
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| timoph | lcuk: http://timoph.fi/tree1.jpg http://timoph.fi/tree2.jpg http://timoph.fi/tree3.jpg | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | timoph, :D which device? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I can now | 17:46 |
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| timoph | lcuk: n900 :) | 17:47 |
| lcuk | timoph, do you use the same location every year? that looks like an awesome place to camp | 17:47 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:47 |
| wazd | fiferboy: heyhey! :) | 17:47 |
| timoph | lcuk: that's 1km away from my parents house | 17:48 |
| wazd | fiferboy: awesome, tons of settings, can't keep em all in my head :D | 17:48 |
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| wazd | lcuk: sorry, I have no idea :D | 17:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: the app looks cool, but I'm not such a frequent flyer so it's kinda useless for me | 17:51 |
| timoph | lcuk: places where I used to run around as a kid. went there today to see if the place still looks the same | 17:51 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:51 |
| lcuk | timoph, and does it? (mostly apart form trees evolving) | 17:53 |
| timoph | pretty much the same. Although the way there seemed longer back then :) | 17:54 |
| lcuk | of course, they have motor vehicles nowadays :P | 17:54 |
| timoph | :) | 17:55 |
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| timoph | that place is really hard to get to using any motor vehicle except using a boat :) | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | timoph, the forest looks lovely, how do you have internet connectivity | 17:56 |
| timoph | I do :) | 17:57 |
| timoph | 3g | 17:57 |
| lcuk | long ethernet cable? :D | 17:57 |
| timoph | :D | 17:57 |
| timoph | I currently at my parents so.. | 17:57 |
| timoph | 'm | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | last time I went up into the mountains camping it was fun | 17:57 |
| lcuk | the guys with iphones were trying to download stuff | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | I was just getting on with stuff | 17:58 |
| timoph | :) | 17:58 |
| lcuk | timoph, your parents have their own personal 3g mast? | 17:58 |
| lcuk | (not a bad idea actually) | 17:58 |
| timoph | not really :) | 17:59 |
| timoph | using wifi here but at the cabin where we're staying there's 3g connectivity | 17:59 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: so... #meego-infra | 18:00 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: yes? | 18:01 |
| lbt | do you think it makes sense to have it as a kind of 'super IT / systems' channel | 18:01 |
| lcuk | lbt I tohught that was your PM window :P | 18:02 |
| lbt | I meant to propose it somewhere ... maybe an IT meeting | 18:02 |
| lcuk | tohugh | 18:02 |
| lbt | lcuk: get some sleep mate ;) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | I am, this apps stuff is too complex | 18:02 |
| lcuk | ;) | 18:02 |
| timoph | X-Fade: so what channels / mainling lists you guys are using so can follow the developent and whine about bugs :) | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: not convinced we need yet another irc channel for it | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | timoph: meego-community for communication | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: but if you do, ok | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | timoph: bugs, we have a product. | 18:03 |
| timoph | good | 18:03 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: where do you suggest we discuss that kind of thing? | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | Friday evenings is also a bad thing for me :) | 18:04 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: here's the process for new channels: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#New_MeeGo_Channels | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: And I also like less channels, not more. | 18:04 |
| DawnFoster | in general, pick the mailing list where the people who will use the channel and discuss it there | 18:04 |
| DawnFoster | seems like we could have most of those discussions here | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Yes, I think #meego should be fine. | 18:05 |
| * timoph agrees with DawnFoster | 18:05 | |
| X-Fade | Remember that all the non serious talk -> #meego-bar | 18:05 |
| lbt | X-Fade: me too, but there's nowhere sane to debate BOSS development, website development etc | 18:05 |
| lbt | and this place gets real noisy and not work like ... a lot! | 18:05 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: people will quiet down when there are real topics active. | 18:06 |
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| lbt | mmm | 18:06 |
| lbt | the only channel I ever used for "real work" got banned | 18:06 |
| timoph | :) | 18:06 |
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| TheBootroo | wanna see a beautiful (kinda) product ? check that new Mobile Unified UX for MeeGo Community Edition (plain Qt + CSS) : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 18:17 |
| TheBootroo | took me about 15 hours to develop, test and upload | 18:18 |
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| TheBootroo | not finished yet but can be tested on my gitorious, on a standard computer, needs only Qt SDK with a compiler | 18:18 |
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| TheBootroo | want some feedback | 18:18 |
| timoph | checked it but that really is just a proto and not really functional | 18:18 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 18:18 |
| timoph | it's naming might cause some confusion | 18:19 |
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| TheBootroo | o rly ? | 18:20 |
| TheBootroo | that a common Ui for handsets and tablets | 18:20 |
| TheBootroo | for the non commercial not end vendor release of meego (i think to N900 DE by example) which reallly needs better UX | 18:21 |
| timoph | I'm not disagreeing but for me the name makes it sound like a bigger deal that it currently is (no offence) | 18:22 |
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| TheBootroo | i'm introducing some new UI concepts like : right toolbar in landscape mode, no drop down menu, no context click, only single tap with single finger/stylus/mouse | 18:22 |
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| TheBootroo | it's a proposal prototype for a new Unified Mobile User eXperience for MeeGo Community Edition ! | 18:23 |
| TheBootroo | really long | 18:23 |
| timoph | :) | 18:23 |
| berndhs | UMUX, sounds good :) | 18:24 |
| TheBootroo | i prefer MobileUX-NG, in reference to HandsetUX, TabletUX .... | 18:24 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: i'm not fan of acronyms | 18:24 |
| biston | is it normal for the n900 to give a pitch black screen while installing meego? i'm using the de-installer.sh and when it first started i was able to see the CLI output | 18:24 |
| timoph | the "proposal" part is the things that's missing from the description IMO | 18:24 |
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| TheBootroo | normal people prefer words that means what they means | 18:24 |
| TheBootroo | timoph: hope it will not stay 'proposal' too long | 18:25 |
| TheBootroo | and become 'testing' | 18:25 |
| berndhs | you will get an acronym whether you want to or not, people are too lazy to type whole words | 18:25 |
| TheBootroo | you can already play ith it | 18:25 |
| timoph | biston: yep. the screen saver kicks in. you can tap the screen or close and open the kb to wake it up | 18:25 |
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| biston | timoph, it won't wake up, i tried tapping/closing/opening... | 18:25 |
| TheBootroo | MobileUX | 18:25 |
| TheBootroo | not too long | 18:26 |
| timoph | TheBootroo: well. There's a lot of work to be done for it to replace the current thing. i.e. all the interaction with the OS itself | 18:26 |
| biston | although i can still see the established connection in netstat to the device | 18:26 |
| berndhs | sure for reasonable peolpe its not too long | 18:26 |
| Colttt | hello everybody.. | 18:26 |
| Colttt | it is possible that LG come out an mobilephone with meego nearly? | 18:27 |
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| timoph | biston: you do 'sudo kill -USR1 `pidof dd`' on the pc side to make it print it's current status | 18:27 |
| TheBootroo | Brand New Ass Kicking User Interface For MeeGo Mobile Devices Maintained By The Community Proposed And Developped By TheBootroo | 18:27 |
| timoph | biston: it will print it to the same terminal that has the installer running | 18:27 |
| biston | okay thank you | 18:27 |
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| * timoph is the guy who wrote the installer | 18:27 | |
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| TheBootroo | timoph: yes i know so i will not start system integration before i get enough interet and good feedback | 18:28 |
| timoph | TheBootroo: yeah. good to have the usability, etc. issues solved first | 18:28 |
| TheBootroo | timoph: that my opinion to | 18:28 |
| TheBootroo | i really pay attention to this empty shell proto,a nd if enough people test it and are happpy, i ll start real integration | 18:29 |
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| TheBootroo | and until that day i'll contunously improve the prototype (loook at the nb of commit on my gitorious in only 2 days https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng) | 18:30 |
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| TheBootroo | timoph: did you tested it ? and saw screenshots at least ? | 18:30 |
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| timoph | TheBootroo: I took a look at the sources and the screen shots | 18:31 |
| berndhs | TheBootroo: this is (going to) work with simple interactions only? no tricky gestures ? | 18:31 |
| TheBootroo | timoph: ok good | 18:31 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: yes | 18:31 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: no need to swipe or pinch or swirl | 18:31 |
| TheBootroo | only single tap in reasonable 20px radius circle | 18:32 |
| TheBootroo | with big ui elements | 18:32 |
| berndhs | so it would be useful when wearing gloves, in cold weather, under harsh (wet) conditions etc | 18:32 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: would be useful all the time in my opinion, i don't like gesture only based UI, i want graphical elements, buttons, labels..etc | 18:33 |
| berndhs | i meant as a contrast to interfaces that need finicky gestures | 18:33 |
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| berndhs | even when the unit and the user are in motion, I think gestures can be a problem | 18:34 |
| TheBootroo | yes | 18:34 |
| berndhs | on a bike, on a boat, carrying bags, ... | 18:35 |
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| TheBootroo | berndhs: on the street with a dog | 18:35 |
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| berndhs | right, many examples | 18:35 |
| TheBootroo | on wet floor | 18:35 |
| TheBootroo | during lunch | 18:35 |
| TheBootroo | be sure of one thing : | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | lbt: pong | 18:37 |
| lbt | bit late :) | 18:37 |
| TheBootroo | i'm not from these guys who say "o hai wud luv doin **** but i don't know programming, help plz kthx..." | 18:37 |
| lbt | Apps meeting Jaffa | 18:37 |
| TheBootroo | i know programming, and love that (that's my real passion) and when i say i want something, i actually start doing it | 18:37 |
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| TheBootroo | then it may take some time to achieve but at least there are results | 18:38 |
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| TheBootroo | oh and i don't take interest in too little projects, i always go on big / huge / difficult projects | 18:39 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Just read the scrollback. Only saw my name mentioned once. Hectic afternoon since it's feature freeze day for us | 18:39 |
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| lbt | np | 18:39 |
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| TheBootroo | really, i spent whole last night coding that proto (didn't sleep) and don't regret it, and i gonna resume dev tonight and this weekend | 18:40 |
| berndhs | just make sure you get some sleep eventually :) | 18:40 |
| timoph | I prefer to do a bit simpler things so I actually get things done. I don't have that much time to spend on free time project so have to make most of the time available | 18:40 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: eventually is the word | 18:40 |
| TheBootroo | and i ahve to go | 18:41 |
| TheBootroo | get home | 18:41 |
| TheBootroo | i will connect later tonight | 18:41 |
| TheBootroo | it 6:40 PM here | 18:41 |
| berndhs | careful in traffice with lack of sleep | 18:41 |
| TheBootroo | will be back around 8 PM | 18:41 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: i take bus | 18:41 |
| berndhs | yeah but still | 18:42 |
| TheBootroo | and i don't suffer of getting tired until i make three sleepless night on a straight | 18:42 |
| TheBootroo | berndhs: okay mum | 18:42 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 18:42 |
| berndhs | oh to be young again :) | 18:42 |
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| TheBootroo | oh yeah | 18:43 |
| TheBootroo | ok bye cul_R | 18:43 |
| TheBootroo | brb | 18:43 |
| TheBootroo | dont' forget test stuff here https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng and feedback here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 | 18:44 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 18:44 |
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| dm8tbr | WTF? | 18:46 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: ? | 18:47 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: that rooroo thingy that 'developed' an UX over night... | 18:47 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: not really. I took a look at the sources | 18:48 |
| timoph | more like a concept demo without functionality | 18:49 |
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| timoph | looks like the guy is trying hard to get a dev kit | 18:49 |
| timoph | can't really blame him for trying :) | 18:50 |
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| berndhs | he does have a point about the gestures | 18:51 |
| berndhs | gestures are fine if interacting with the UX is all you do | 18:51 |
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| fiferboy | Does anyone know if the Harmattan SDK works in Ubuntu 11.04? | 20:55 |
| timoph | seems to work | 20:57 |
| fiferboy | timoph: No problem with Xephyr and scratchbox? | 20:57 |
| timoph | worked at least for the few basic things I quickly tried | 20:58 |
| fiferboy | timoph: Excellent, thanks | 20:59 |
| timoph | np | 20:59 |
| fiferboy | Now I just have to wait for the Meego SDK to work in 11.04 and I can upgrade :) | 20:59 |
| timoph | :) | 20:59 |
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| Texrat | anyone home? | 21:23 |
| pierce | Texrat: at your home? | 21:24 |
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| * CosmoHill freezes with Texrat's DVD player in his hands | 21:24 | |
| Texrat | yes pierce, day off | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | Hi Texrat | 21:25 |
| Texrat | whoa CosmoHill-- are yo invisible? I'm sitting in my living room :P | 21:26 |
| Texrat | hey fiferboy | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | I'm skinny but not that skinny | 21:26 |
| * CosmoHill puts the DVD player back and joins Texrat on the sofa | 21:26 | |
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| Texrat | not too close there buddy | 21:26 |
| TheBootroo | i'm back | 21:26 |
| berndhs | oh nice Texrat is inviting everyone to his house :) | 21:27 |
| * CosmoHill is on the other side of the sofa | 21:27 | |
| * TheBootroo stole a beer in the kitchen | 21:27 | |
| Texrat | yeah berndhs it's tiny and fallign apart but come on over | 21:27 |
| Texrat | maybe you guys can help me wreck it completely | 21:27 |
| berndhs | we'll fix the walls for you | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | lo Texrat | 21:27 |
| pierce | ^ this is the appropriate level of silly ^ | 21:27 |
| Texrat | then I'll tell insurance company it was a VETY selective tornado | 21:27 |
| Texrat | I don't want this house fixed I want it demolished | 21:28 |
| Texrat | hey stskeeps | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: developer device programme getting a good test of the system? :> | 21:28 |
| Texrat | got this place cheap as a fixer-upper but after losing 3 jobs while owning it we never had the money | 21:29 |
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| Texrat | ack stskeeps... I wish more work could have been done before N9 intro... | 21:29 |
| Texrat | too much being tested live | 21:29 |
| berndhs | put it on floats, wait for the next flood ? | 21:29 |
| * Texrat writes down berndhs' idea | 21:29 | |
| * Texrat plans to blame berndhs when caught | 21:30 | |
| CosmoHill | tornado you say? | 21:30 |
| * CosmoHill gives berndhs three tins of baked beans | 21:30 | |
| berndhs | where's the bacon ? | 21:30 |
| Texrat | stskeeps I was hoping to work with mrshaver today on the device program but no word back yet | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | in the kitchen | 21:31 |
| Texrat | the best baked beans have bacon in them | 21:31 |
| Texrat | well mixed in that is | 21:31 |
| berndhs | yes they should | 21:31 |
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| Texrat | I always have to laugh when I see some labeled "vegetarian beans" | 21:32 |
| Texrat | oh, really? | 21:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | as opposed to...what? | 21:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:32 |
| Texrat | exactly | 21:32 |
| * TSCHAKeee can't even come up with a snappy comeback for thatone | 21:32 | |
| berndhs | organic oranges | 21:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | brain gues..thwwppt. | 21:32 |
| Texrat | but I buy the vegetarian versions because I do NOT want that answered!!! | 21:32 |
| berndhs | ever try inorganic oranges ? | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I prefer the ones with carbon. | 21:33 |
| gabrbedd | Texrat: No animals were harmed in the making of these beans. | 21:33 |
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| Texrat | no gabrbedd but many will be harmed after I eat some | 21:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | inorganic beans might be good for colon cleansing... | 21:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | *shrug* | 21:33 |
| gabrbedd | hrm... that would be vegan beans, I guess. | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: saw that tomiahonen cited your blog? | 21:34 |
| Texrat | yeah | 21:34 |
| Texrat | picked up some twitter followers... lol | 21:34 |
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| Texrat | twitter rule #17: tweet often to people with lots of followers | 21:34 |
| * SpeedEvil checks. | 21:35 | |
| Texrat | viral virtual socializing | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I have 11 followers. | 21:35 |
| berndhs | me too | 21:35 |
| Texrat | ah, speedevil, I remember those carefree, simple days | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a fake name account decoupled from my RL | 21:36 |
| Texrat | when I didn't have to self-edit... | 21:36 |
| Texrat | with 840+ followers, including corporate accounts, you have to second guess every tweet | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm increasingly worried about the likelyhood of people drawing inferences about my health from my online posted content. | 21:36 |
| Texrat | I've cleaned up my language, damn it | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence trying to decouple the IDs at least somewhat. | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Currently 'earning' around a tenth of the salary I'd hope to, on benefits. Clearly this is a state to which I aspire, based on the various governmental approaches. | 21:39 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 21:39 | |
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| Texrat | I hear ya speedevil | 21:39 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: you got swamped in applications for the device programme? :) | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Trying to get various things started up so that I actually have a state independant income, but spending my time learning the benefit system instead. I have around 200M of PDFs on the topic. | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh well - back to more fun reading - FCC release docs | 21:41 |
| Texrat | dm8tbr I expected the onslaught and warned everyone involved... | 21:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | is Texrat the guy handling the device program | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | And I need to get the new OMAP ds | 21:41 |
| * TSCHAKeee now knows who to send the hookers to. | 21:41 | |
| Texrat | TSCHAKeee I manage it | 21:41 |
| Texrat | thank you | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: Do you know how many devices are on the other side of the program? | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | The corporate? | 21:42 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: btw, nice you got the form processing fixed quickly. appreciate it | 21:42 |
| Texrat | no clue speedevil | 21:42 |
| Texrat | dm8tbr I need to be clear: I'm not coding | 21:42 |
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| dm8tbr | Texrat: still you got someone to do it :) | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume we should ignore the fact the form response is not nicely formatted, and ignores html? | 21:43 |
| Texrat | I've done the architecture work but not all was implemented | 21:43 |
| Texrat | actually dm8tbr filing bugs at bugs.meego.com is what gets it done ;) | 21:43 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: btw, one suggestion: possibility to go back to own application. didn't find an option, was lucky to have the url in browser history | 21:44 |
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| Texrat | I want to say though that I have a lot of plans for the program, just wait | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: It's there if you login to meego.com | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: you forgot the evil laugh. | 21:44 |
| Texrat | yes dm8tbr that's one | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: look on the top bar | 21:44 |
| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: didn't see it, where would it be? | 21:44 |
| Texrat | muwahahahahahhaa | 21:44 |
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| Texrat | listen guys, please file bugs on every broken or missing feature for device program | 21:45 |
| Texrat | best way to get stuff done and for us to manage | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: My account -> track | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - the report isn't a mess of text anymore - but actual rendered text! :) | 21:46 |
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| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: totally counterintuitive | 21:46 |
| Texrat | wanna know soemthign funny? I coordinate this but don't currently have rights to view request page :D | 21:46 |
| Texrat | sheesh, *something* | 21:46 |
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| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: I was expecting to see it here https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/nokia-n9-devkit | 21:46 |
| dm8tbr | instead it opens a new application | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: Submit a bug! | 21:47 |
| Texrat | dm8tbr I am pushing for request status table with links to your requests | 21:47 |
| Texrat | I want this to be as open as possible | 21:47 |
| Texrat | everyone should be able to see ALL submissions | 21:47 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: ah, that would probably cover this, having a status next to the programme you submitted to would be a large plus | 21:48 |
| Texrat | just only edit their own | 21:48 |
| Texrat | right dm8tbr | 21:48 |
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| Texrat | this will be a true workflow solution, start to stop | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably need that to be opt-in - there wasn't anything saying 'no personal details' on the pages | 21:48 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Texrat: You're hoping to scale this to a flood of device programs? | 21:48 |
| lcuk | Texrat, we need a window manager capable of doing open meego proud. | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | twm? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | people will use their n9s and n950s to make pretty apps, we want them to retain that good look and feel on other meego instances | 21:50 |
| Texrat | speedevil I want it to be rich and robust | 21:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I see. | 21:51 |
| Texrat | speedevil no "personal" details will be shown in table, just PROJECT ones | 21:51 |
| Texrat | I want our program to be the best practice | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean the full aplication may contain links that were not expected to be published widely - for examle. | 21:52 |
| Texrat | and if it gets complicated enough, someone will have to hire me to manage it full time :D | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (not in my case - just raising a possible issue) | 21:52 |
| Texrat | well, SpeedEvil, I can add text to make that clear in wiki | 21:52 |
| Texrat | requestors need to understand that the project URL links to content, right, ;) | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: +1 | 21:53 |
| Texrat | don't publish anything on project pages you don't want seen | 21:53 |
| Texrat | no private project URLs ;) | 21:54 |
| Texrat | the default mode for the program is open, but I will make that as clear as I can | 21:54 |
| berndhs | i'm not sure how you go about publishing something widely or narrowly on purpose | 21:54 |
| Texrat | ? berndhs | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | berndhs: You stand in front of a press confernence and say 'turn your cameras off plz' | 21:55 |
| Texrat | that's what CMS does | 21:55 |
| Texrat | ROFL speedevil | 21:55 |
| berndhs | SpeedEvil: so that's "widely" ? | 21:55 |
| fiferboy | My project page has a personal biography, but I guess I am ok with people seeing that | 21:55 |
| Texrat | right fiferboy | 21:55 |
| Texrat | I mean, this is common sense, right? | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And mine has my phone number. | 21:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which I'm absolutely not happy to give out. | 21:56 |
| Texrat | Speedevil, phone number goes in the application, not needed on project page, so... | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Alternate contact info? | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm not clear on what's in this project page, and what's not | 21:57 |
| lcuk | Texrat, you might not have seen this, most recent view through the window at my playground garden http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png | 21:57 |
| Texrat | again: you're providing what is supposed to be a PUBLIC project URL | 21:57 |
| Texrat | but I will make that clearer | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - right - I left that blank, as there was no URL in my case. | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry for the confusion. | 21:57 |
| Texrat | ! | 21:57 |
| Texrat | that's a mistake in program then: the project URL is a requirement | 21:58 |
| Texrat | it's not supposed to allow NULLs | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://localhost/ | 21:58 |
| Texrat | project URL can be anything though, even a forum thread | 21:58 |
| lcuk | some people may not have organised a site yet Texrat | 21:58 |
| Texrat | lcuk I have explained this many, many times | 21:58 |
| lcuk | I posted a photo in one application I think | 21:58 |
| Texrat | it's even mentioned in wiki | 21:58 |
| Texrat | we are VERY flexible on what a project url is | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: Do you have a link to wiki, so we can stop asking stupid questions? | 21:59 |
| Texrat | but it's a requirement | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | 'visit the wiki' | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry | 21:59 |
| * TSCHAKeee put LinuxMCE website | 21:59 | |
| Texrat | ;) | 21:59 |
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| * TSCHAKeee prays for a device...pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease | 21:59 | |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, use case specific | 21:59 |
| Texrat | we have around 400 requests now for 250 devices | 22:00 |
| lcuk | am I right in size wise, the 810 is similar? | 22:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: tried to be as specific as i could be. | 22:00 |
| Texrat | I think it's close to E7 lcuk | 22:00 |
| lcuk | Texrat, using maemo scaling factors ;) | 22:00 |
| Texrat | ignore me then lcuk | 22:00 |
| lcuk | some folks have not had other business phones | 22:00 |
| Texrat | :D | 22:01 |
| lcuk | I am getting symbian phones sent now Texrat | 22:01 |
| lcuk | having to go through the data sync scenarios | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | Texrat: I made a pretty site for my project page | 22:02 |
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| * lcuk wants his phones to work together and store all data together | 22:02 | |
| lcuk | Texrat, if this submissions thing takes off | 22:02 |
| Texrat | that's the holy grain lcuk | 22:02 |
| lcuk | it could be like pr1.2 | 22:02 |
| lcuk | people offering to shed clothes to get one | 22:02 |
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| Texrat | fiferboy, link? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | Texrat, meh | 22:02 |
| lcuk | i do it local to local already | 22:02 |
| Texrat | no meh! | 22:02 |
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| fiferboy | Texrat: http://andrew.olmsted.ca | 22:02 |
| Texrat | meaning for the rest of the world lcuk | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | i have a use case that reuires it and will and determination to make it work well | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | liq* would be awesome. | 22:03 |
| Texrat | nice fiferboy-- comes up fast, too! | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It's lightweight, and fast. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, it works as well today on my n8x0 as it ever did | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | with all recent stuff | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Exactly. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish there was harmattan-on-n900 for devs | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | problem would be the celluar stack probably | 22:04 |
| lcuk | open harmattan on meego you mena | 22:04 |
| lcuk | mean | 22:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, cellular stack is ofono | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I mean enabling use of the n900 as a n9 dev platform | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: er.. no | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: harmattan is CSD | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | it really sucks the n950 is limited | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i have NO problem buying an eXoPC | 22:05 |
| lcuk | then buy one | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | and I would buy an n950 in a millisecond to do dev if it were available. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | and develop on it | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: It's on my list. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | but what is the specific device thing? | 22:05 |
| lcuk | I am going to enjoy seeing my app on it | 22:05 |
| lcuk | it will work well | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | for us, we're developing a new orbiter from scratch | 22:06 |
| lcuk | and seeing it on the device will be like drinkingfine wine. | 22:06 |
| fiferboy | Texrat: I take it something like that is what you want for a project page? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | but my motivation does not start the day I get the device | 22:06 |
| lcuk | I work towards it now. | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | and i need to do optimizations for the qml we are writing for the UI, | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: i am working wtih the devices i already have, in that regard. | 22:06 |
| lcuk | then those optimisations you make | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i can only do so much in a simulator. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | will help make the wine be a little more vintage | 22:07 |
| lcuk | screw the simulator, you have hardware? | 22:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | for harmattan. | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: if you want, drop in the SDK bits from harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool on top of a meego n900 | 22:07 |
| Texrat | fiferboy that is PERFECT | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: it might actually work | 22:07 |
| lcuk | or is qt still so broken then you cannot dev properly | 22:07 |
| Texrat | I may showcase you as the example | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | Texrat: :) | 22:08 |
| Texrat | also guys I am about to write another community blog post to consolidate questions and concerns, and update everyone | 22:08 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, remember the rare computers application. | 22:08 |
| lcuk | device-spotting | 22:08 |
| lcuk | ;) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | "n9" | 22:08 |
| Texrat | fiferboy can I have permission to use your screenshots for an article? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | would actually be great for meego meetups | 22:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and what? is my project page minced meat? ... We actually have a codebase and a mature feature set going back almost a decade :P | 22:09 |
| lcuk | lol fiferboy I did not know you had a lexicon | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | in onedotzero identity application, we have word filtering | 22:09 |
| lcuk | and it would not let people type "iphone" because it has "ho" in the middle of it ;) | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | Texrat: Sure thing, screenshots are fine | 22:10 |
| Texrat | thanks fiferboy | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yes, I should add in a few more applications that are on the back-burner | 22:11 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, I find it enough to just make placeholders | 22:11 |
| lcuk | then fill them in as things progress | 22:11 |
| lcuk | I like it when I tick off a huge bunch of things | 22:11 |
| Texrat | lcuk you're very iterative, like I am. Hallmark of the artist/inventor ;) | 22:12 |
| lcuk | Texrat, this stuff recently with pseudocode | 22:12 |
| lcuk | the writing connected directly with the parser I wrote years ago | 22:12 |
| lcuk | and have not peeked into for that long, I had to stop coding the language because I did not have an editor | 22:13 |
| lcuk | Ash phoned me before and suggested we sortout a Manchester community meetup in a few months | 22:14 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Added your idea under "future projects" :) | 22:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders which project page e.g. MohammadAG should use. He for sure has ported and packaged more for maemo than anybody else | 22:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I nevertheless had a hard time to figure any particular project page that would represent that fact properly | 22:26 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I just used my latest app (sociality) and pointed to git and maemo.org | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually MohammadAG would be the first I'd try to get involved and give him a device, hell even two. But still his contribution is most hard to sell in that form | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | sadly, I don't find the Project name/url umm, descriptive enough | 22:30 |
| TheBootroo | did an update of my proposable new Mobile UX, with now working switcher layout : https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | I have lots planned for the N9 already, not exactly projects but stuff I'd like to have at launch as a consumer | 22:31 |
| TheBootroo | please test and give some feedback | 22:31 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: like what stuff ? | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You can go back and change your submission if you have a better project page to point to | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | Under "Account" "Tracking" you'll find your device program application | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, that's the point, I don't have names for my planned stuff | 22:33 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, I refresh that daily to check if there's a reply :p | 22:33 |
| Texrat | thanks for helping fiferboy | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's exactly the point, not everything is a project, not to talk about apps. Still the contribution is valuable and maybe not even clearly defined yet nevertheless | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, you'll find them under my git account if I get them out | 22:34 |
| Texrat | MohammadAG there are some issues with the process | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the focus on apps and project pages is a bit restrictive | 22:34 |
| Texrat | I am coordinating and can't even access the list of applications... | 22:34 |
| Texrat | DocScrutinizer I disagree re project page-- that's a no-brainer, but I can understand re apps | 22:34 |
| Texrat | people are being given a great opportunity here-- asking that you maintain a project page is a SMALL price | 22:35 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, let me know if you want help with a page. | 22:35 |
| Texrat | the MeeGo community device program in *general* goes beyond apps, but Nokia has the right to restrict their offering | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, how's the reviewing going? | 22:36 |
| Texrat | thanks GAN900 | 22:36 |
| Texrat | GAN900 I have ZERO access currently to applications. NO reviewing yet | 22:36 |
| fiferboy | Texrat: You'll note the web design credit on my page :) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I think it won't get better than "[announce] hostmode gui beta" tmo | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | Texrat, problem is, stuff like this (releasing in 10 mins :P) http://i53.tinypic.com/2yoeb6a.jpg can't be called a project | 22:36 |
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| Texrat | then MohammadAG, does it warrant a free or loaned device? | 22:37 |
| Texrat | Guys, think of this as a competition | 22:37 |
| Texrat | there are limited numbers of devices | 22:37 |
| Texrat | those who put serious work into their requests will stand out | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: before starting a N9(50) related project page for that, I first had to inspect the device if it's an issue at all, or maybe the N9 comes with proper hostmode ootb | 22:37 |
| Texrat | that's life, sorry | 22:37 |
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| Texrat | I think expectations were set to unrealistic levels by N900 and Lenovo giveaways... | 22:38 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, you want MohammadAG to have a device. ;) | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | Texrat, no, it doesn't, but small stuff can make or break a device | 22:38 |
| Texrat | MohammadAG I agree, but... | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | remember the contributions qwerty12 made? most were small applets, but I find most of them useful | 22:39 |
| Texrat | again, Nokia has the right to define their specific requirements | 22:39 |
| Texrat | I'm not the one to defend ot explain Nokia's details, though ;) | 22:39 |
| Texrat | or* | 22:39 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, we're not particularly disagreeing. | 22:39 |
| Texrat | GAN900, some are | 22:39 |
| Texrat | I'm speakign broadly | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not disagreeing with anything, just saying the project fields aren't precise :P | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: agree on the whole giveaway/expecting free stuff | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's something that will eventually cause problems, like now | 22:40 |
| Texrat | look guys: if you want more device opportunities, then HELP ME lobby other manufacturers | 22:40 |
| Texrat | so far few are helping | 22:40 |
| Texrat | it isn't all about Nokia and handsets | 22:41 |
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| Texrat | I think Steven Elop has made THAT clear... | 22:41 |
| Texrat | so instead of worrying about the few devices and restrictions Nokia demands, let's explaore other possibilities | 22:42 |
| Texrat | Asus will be delivering MeeGo products this year, for one | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | handsets? | 22:42 |
| Texrat | so let's see a device champion step up for that | 22:42 |
| Texrat | no handsets | 22:42 |
| Texrat | I can't change the market, all I can do is help where I can | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: proofreading kernel modules/drivers, and document how they are best used (e.g. optimize compass by reducing backlight brightness to have less error in readings) is impossible to list in any form of project page. And I'm definitely not interested in any competition nor in boosting my profile by appearing on whatever list of included apps on N9 rollout. I just offered to help with technical stuff, wiki, mentoring, proofreading, | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | picking up apps like H-E-N where I see due. Konttori suggested I should apply, while I thought it's nonsense as I don't meet the criteria. Competition on project page? No way | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | not arguing there :p | 22:43 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, but we don't care about anything else. :P | 22:43 |
| Texrat | DocScrutinizer youa re missing the point, but I'm not going to argue with you | 22:43 |
| Texrat | yeah yeah GAN900 | 22:44 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's not about the competition so much | 22:44 |
| GAN900 | Selling yourself doesn't hurt. | 22:45 |
| Texrat | GAN900 well it is in a sense as I noted earlier, but NOT specific to "project page" | 22:45 |
| TheBootroo | just did a big update on my MobileUX, added a bigger switcher : http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/870448Capture16.png | 22:45 |
| Texrat | again: 400 requests so far, 250 devices. the math is obvious | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: nobody pays a penny :-P If this were a job, or I felt like boosting my CV with it, OK. I offered to help, if not then not. I don't care. Ask Konttori | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: Is there a coordinating page - for example - 'I approached X, and got Y response' | 22:46 |
| Texrat | Speedevil again: I am workign on that sort of thing | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - sorry - missed that. | 22:47 |
| Texrat | but you guys need to understand: this is volunteer for me, and I have had very little free time due to paying job | 22:47 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, well, ultimately, I think past contributions should be weighted more than future promises. | 22:47 |
| Texrat | also, I'm not doing actual coding, just architecture/modeling/etc | 22:47 |
| Texrat | *I* agree GAN900 | 22:47 |
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| GAN900 | Is qgil playing the Nokia rep? | 22:48 |
| Texrat | yes GAN900 | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | Pff, then why worry? | 22:48 |
| Texrat | and tbh, the approval process needs soem work | 22:48 |
| Texrat | GAN900 *I* am not worried ;) | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, speaking generally. :P | 22:48 |
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| Texrat | there's a lot of anxiety about this, and I understand | 22:49 |
| thebootroo_ | sry for my deconexion | 22:49 |
| thebootroo_ | i'm on GPRS web access | 22:49 |
| Texrat | that's why on my first day off work in TWO WEEKS I am here today :D | 22:49 |
| thebootroo_ | did you see my last msg ? | 22:49 |
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| thebootroo_ | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23222#post23222 | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, you're a sucker for punishment. | 22:50 |
| Texrat | always have been GAN900 | 22:50 |
| Texrat | but I am a doer, not a whiner ;) | 22:50 |
| thebootroo_ | Texrat: well said | 22:50 |
| Texrat | thebootroo_ that's some nice UI work | 22:51 |
| thebootroo_ | Texrat: i'm just like you, when something doesn't please me, i'm usually try to rewrite it my own way : if i sucess, i'm happy, if i not, i just have to shut up and use what i can | 22:51 |
| thebootroo_ | Texrat: thx for compliment | 22:51 |
| Texrat | what a concept thebootroo_ ;) | 22:51 |
| thebootroo_ | Texrat: do you know you can test it now ? on my gitorious, it doesn't need a particular environment ATM, run on Linux, WIndows, Maemo,even symbian.... | 22:52 |
| thebootroo_ | i hope for feedback ;-) | 22:52 |
| k4r1m | is meego's dev api based on c or c++? | 22:53 |
| Texrat | good to know thebootroo_ | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: H-E-N brought a much requested feature to N900, that's been declared impossible to deliver, by Nokia. I don't feel like adding any comment even to a the "project page" link to H-E-N tmo thread | 22:53 |
| thebootroo_ | k4r1m: meego api is qt based so C++ | 22:53 |
| k4r1m | thebootroo_: awesome thx | 22:54 |
| ljp | C++ and qml | 22:54 |
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| thebootroo_ | DocScrutinizer : what is HEN ? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode-easy-now the USB hostmode enabler | 22:55 |
| thebootroo_ | Texrat: https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng | 22:55 |
| thebootroo_ | DocScrutinizer: u kiidin me ? this thing exist EASY ? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase | 22:56 |
| thebootroo_ | i ask if the thing (hostmode) is really easy | 22:57 |
| thebootroo_ | still needs power kernel | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's easy now, compared to before when it was impossible according to Nokia | 22:57 |
| thebootroo_ | ok | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not been easy to implement it | 22:57 |
| thebootroo_ | i wonder why | 22:58 |
| thebootroo_ | ^^ | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | because Nokia fsckd up the hardware | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pardon my french, it's the truth | 22:58 |
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| thebootroo_ | why would i pardon your french ? i'm french too ... | 22:59 |
| thebootroo_ | truth is that is rarely use this language on the web but i still understand it ;-) | 23:00 |
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| leinir | thebootroo_: in that case you possibly don't know the expression - "pardon my french" simply means "Please excuse my use of expletives" ;) | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | they missed one simply little wirse to a chip pin that's buried and can't get reached to even fix with hot iron. So we had to invent a whole new method anti.chip-vendor how to make that happen | 23:00 |
| thebootroo_ | hum ok | 23:00 |
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| thebootroo_ | well | 23:00 |
| thebootroo_ | lol | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple little wire* | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Aw - come on. Reading 14 different versions of 3000 page datasheets is fun! | 23:01 |
| leinir | it has in itself become an expletive, describing just how much one means something which they use an expletive to create a stronger meaning of ;) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure ;-P | 23:01 |
| thebootroo_ | true | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and easy to sell on a project page | 23:01 |
| lcuk | Persistent 'back' button | 23:02 |
| lcuk | This model leverages the simple main navigation of the Tab bar model, but it introduces a dedicated and persistent space for a Back button. Consequently, only four tabs are available. | 23:02 |
| lcuk | Always maintain the Back button behavior throughout the application experience to reinforce consistency and eliminate confusion. When Back is not available (i.e. in top level views), simply use its inactive state. | 23:02 |
| * lcuk adores this guideline | 23:02 | |
| Texrat | and sarcasm is so constructive, too! | 23:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure I see the point in all four edges swiping. | 23:03 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: harmattan guidelines are really good IMHO | 23:03 |
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| Texrat | speedevil especially with landsape mode so limited | 23:03 |
| lcuk | i agree thebootroo_ | 23:03 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, yes it is. | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Are swipes from corners allowed for apps? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | i can see myself reading and advancing things based on them | 23:03 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: diagonally? no | 23:04 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, the swipe idea is nothing new of course | 23:04 |
| thebootroo_ | Texrat: just need my idea of putting toolbar on the right in landscape instead of nesting it in titlebar | 23:04 |
| lcuk | just grab your n900 | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Indeed. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and swipe between home screens | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes, I know. :) | 23:04 |
| Texrat | just disappointed that configurability is limited in out-of-the-box N9 UX | 23:04 |
| lcuk | like what Texrat ? | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Or grab my 1995? laptop, and bang off one edge of the screen and onto the next desktop | 23:05 |
| thebootroo_ | i think i could adapt a little the harmattan guidelines | 23:05 |
| thebootroo_ | ^^ | 23:05 |
| thebootroo_ | i had some good ideas too | 23:05 |
| Texrat | like landscape support lcuk | 23:05 |
| gabriel9 | if i have allready installed qt creator and i can develop aps in QT, what do i need to install to develop aps for meego(emulator)? This is the list of packages for meego in my distro: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=meego&do_Search=Go | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK can you post your opinion/thoughts about http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038334&postcount=6 | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, one step forward, two back......... | 23:05 |
| lcuk | Texrat, swings and roundabouts | 23:05 |
| Texrat | yes GAN900 | 23:06 |
| lcuk | the portrait ambiguity of the n900 was not good | 23:06 |
| lcuk | I am pleased this has a good strong portrait stance | 23:06 |
| Texrat | but it's finally consumer-friendly! | 23:06 |
| Texrat | sorry, that was sarcasm too | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | standing tall like other nokias :) | 23:06 |
| gabriel9 | or should i install QT on windows and just install harmattan | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | We need IRC to support the sarc-mark. | 23:06 |
| * Texrat thwacks lcuk | 23:06 | |
| MohammadAG | er crap, wrong chan | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | Elop is either evil or a fool | 23:06 |
| lcuk | Texrat, just hope a dock unit is possible | 23:07 |
| Texrat | leaning toward latter GAN900 | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | Why would you even bother releasing this if youmre just going to chop it off at the knees. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Or, as a stockholder, he believes strongly in the value of his shares. | 23:07 |
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| Texrat | lcuk the usb is in odd spot to support docking | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, somebody was talking about it being MS's way of killing off MeeGo for good. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: you - more or less - can't dock with microusb - at all | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | GAN900: at least it exists. | 23:07 |
| Texrat | GAN900 like I said in my article | 23:07 |
| lcuk | Texrat, good, portrait dock was not possible wit n900 | 23:07 |
| berndhs | someone hired Elop, and its hard to believe those folks are surprised by what he's been doing | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, not released yet. . . . | 23:08 |
| Texrat | speedvil, I dock with usb, so...? | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: The connector requires too precise alignment - if you just slam it in a dock, it will break. | 23:08 |
| lcuk | my old fujitsu loox had a dock | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: post where? | 23:08 |
| Texrat | oh gotcha | 23:08 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, oh, was that you? *g* | 23:08 |
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| Texrat | well, I'll bet I could design a solution ;) | 23:08 |
| lcuk | Texrat, have you checked if it is through the hole | 23:08 |
| Texrat | that was for speedevil | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, tmo, link I posted, about the tap detection driver | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: It's a shame - say four gold buttons along the bottom - and it 'just works' | 23:08 |
| Texrat | lcuk the specs i saw said usb is thru hole | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Texrat: Oh - you can make a device that will reliably and safely insert a USB plug in the dock. | 23:09 |
| Texrat | right speedevil | 23:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Texrat: It just adds maybe $10 to each dock. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ok | 23:09 |
| Texrat | speedevil I'll bet that can be solved for micrusb | 23:09 |
| Texrat | speedevil understood | 23:09 |
| Texrat | it's discussions like this that make me miss my old product designer days :D | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The 3310 dock connector was much, much better from that respect | 23:09 |
| Texrat | anyway the Atrix shows what should be done | 23:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Looks slick, and yes. | 23:11 |
| thebootroo_ | i think the solution would be a n950 like smartphone but with removable keyboard (just like a tiny Asus Eee Transformer) | 23:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've idly wondered about making a hack-n900. | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 base, portrait on a larger screen. | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: done | 23:12 |
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| Texrat | hey dawnfoster | 23:16 |
| DawnFoster | hey texrat! | 23:16 |
| Texrat | is Mike Shaver available today, do you know? | 23:16 |
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| Texrat | DawnFoster I have the day off work and am working on device program stuff... | 23:17 |
| Texrat | a LOT to do | 23:17 |
| Texrat | but no response from email to Mike | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | He's been very helpful answering silly questions. | 23:17 |
| Texrat | ;) speedevil | 23:17 |
| DawnFoster | I think he's probably offline for lunch right now | 23:17 |
| DawnFoster | (he's not on im) | 23:17 |
| DawnFoster | but he should be around | 23:17 |
| Texrat | well I sent email earlier... | 23:17 |
| thebootroo_ | How is Mike ? | 23:18 |
| Texrat | it would help if I had a phone number for both of you too :D | 23:18 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: when can we get together to make decisions on devices? | 23:18 |
| DawnFoster | I want to get the first pass on exopcs done | 23:18 |
| thebootroo_ | I want a N950 please to develop my meego qt projects | 23:18 |
| thebootroo_ | please get me in | 23:19 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster that's a great question... I available today and this weekend, and after that it's spotty until July 4 weekend where I have 4 days off | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: you should also exchange im accounts with mike | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | I can't do fourth of july weekend | 23:19 |
| Texrat | my main problem is my paying job | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | maybe kick off an email with the 3 of us on the committee (us & brian) | 23:19 |
| Texrat | really been getting in the way lately | 23:19 |
| thebootroo_ | dear santa claus, i've been a very kind boy all this year, as usually, so could i have the rox-the-world phone plz kthx ^^ | 23:19 |
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| DawnFoster | and try to find a good time to meet | 23:20 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster FYI right now I am writing an update blog article for dev program to address questions | 23:20 |
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| DawnFoster | cool | 23:20 |
| Texrat | my best times will be weekends plus late Mon thru Wed | 23:21 |
| DawnFoster | or should it be a Q&A on the wiki page? | 23:21 |
| Texrat | alhough I should make community office meeting | 23:21 |
| DawnFoster | awesome, thanks | 23:21 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster I will be addressign using both | 23:21 |
| Texrat | as well as forum | 23:21 |
| Texrat | AND my own blog, and AppUp... | 23:21 |
| Texrat | and twitter | 23:21 |
| Texrat | speaking of which, DawnFoster: I would really like to get that meego.com email address. Twitter account is another reason why | 23:22 |
| DawnFoster | I'm not sure that we need a twitter account for device program | 23:23 |
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| DawnFoster | I'd rather use the main twitter account | 23:23 |
| DawnFoster | or reply to people from our individual accounts | 23:24 |
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| Texrat | well, I'd like to see one but not a high priority. Still, a device program meego account has a great deal of value | 23:27 |
| Texrat | especially for contacting vendors | 23:27 |
| Texrat | I really don't like using my personal account | 23:27 |
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| Texrat | DawnFoster I just did a quick and dirty update of your dev program page at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Intel but you'll need to check it yourself | 23:45 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: looks good, thanks! | 23:53 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster bottom half needs updating though | 23:53 |
| Texrat | I am creating Nokia page for Quim right now | 23:53 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: done. I just removed all of that old crap at the bottom | 23:56 |
| Texrat | ;) | 23:57 |
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| Texrat | Attention everyone: Nokia wiki page for community device program here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia | 23:57 |
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