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| Texrat | hey wazd_ | 00:07 |
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| Texrat | is ANYone still here? lol | 00:32 |
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| X-Fade | Texrat: Sure ;) | 00:32 |
| Texrat | hey X-Fade! | 00:32 |
| Frye | I'm here too, but of very little use ;-) | 00:32 |
| Texrat | late for you isn't it? | 00:32 |
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| timoph | Texrat: o/ | 00:41 |
| Texrat | timoph \o | 00:41 |
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| gabrbedd | timoph: Texrat: \o/ >-<o /*\ o>-< \o/ | 01:00 |
| Texrat | oh sit down you | 01:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also here - but ... | 01:01 |
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| the_lord | Hi! I've just installed harmattan SDK, but when I do meego-sb-session start, the xephir window starts fine, but it does not look well | 03:50 |
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| LostSoulIn | hi guys | 06:30 |
| LostSoulIn | i am proud owner of N900 | 06:30 |
| LostSoulIn | wanted to flash meego on it | 06:30 |
| LostSoulIn | but still confused if it will work fine | 06:30 |
| LostSoulIn | with all features on it | 06:30 |
| LostSoulIn | n which release to choose | 06:31 |
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| amixppc | This is so great :) | 08:55 |
| amixppc | MeeGo on Nokia mobile, will be perfect | 08:55 |
| amixppc | and with press saying things like "MeeGo can save Nokia" | 08:56 |
| amixppc | <- have high hopes :) | 08:56 |
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| Cauchon | Hey | 09:04 |
| amixppc | hello | 09:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | amixppc: hellp | 09:18 |
| SpeedEvil | o | 09:18 |
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| Termana | morning | 09:19 |
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| Qantourisc | Does meego run fine on N900 ? | 09:43 |
| * Qantourisc is not investing in a new expensive phone if he isn't sure he will not like the software stack | 09:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | It runs. | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | If it runs fine is another issue. | 09:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not as polished as maemo. | 09:46 |
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| * npm goes oldschool on his tablet "sudo xinit" "env DISPLAY=:0.0 xsetroot -solid dimgrey" | 10:25 | |
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| sivang | where can I donwnload the N9/950 Nokia Qt SDK? | 10:43 |
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| npm | see http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/23/qt-sdk-update-bringing-qt-creator-2-2-released/ | 10:50 |
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| npm | http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/Qt_SDK_Lin32_offline_v1_1_1_en.run works nice on meego&fedora (had to compile/install 1.2 mobility tho) | 10:51 |
| npm | actually i meant: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/21/introducing-meego-1-2-harmattan-to-the-qt-sdk | 10:54 |
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| lbt | thp, lcuk... ping... http://wiki.meego.com/Python/Harmattan "All depending packages will be automatically installed"... AFAIK that's not going to happen in MeeGo:Apps | 12:04 |
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| lbt | My understanding is that if you want that you need to get Surrounds working and we need MeeGo:AppsPlus | 12:05 |
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| Damion | morning | 12:48 |
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| Damion | do more people have n950s yet? | 13:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | VEry few - none of the dev program has hit yet. | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think anyone else has found one in a drawer. | 13:03 |
| * SpeedEvil checks nearby drawers. | 13:03 | |
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| alterego | I'm sure they'll start sending them out by the end of next week. | 13:15 |
| alterego | Or maybe the week afterl | 13:15 |
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| thiago | gave back yesterday | 13:16 |
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| cojack | hello | 13:16 |
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| cojack | do I do something wrong if I doesn't have "Maintain MeeGo SDK" ? | 13:19 |
| cojack | after instalation | 13:20 |
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| thiago | after installing what? | 13:20 |
| cojack | sdk | 13:20 |
| Damion | alterego: the account manager said nokia were trying to throw them at her, so she's getting me another on | 13:20 |
| Damion | e | 13:20 |
| Damion | I gave back the one I had as she wouldn't let me update it in case it bricked it. I needed to do that to enter dev mode which I think is a prereq to being able to install stuff off-store like a terminal | 13:21 |
| alterego | Damion: I think you're probably right, or you have to enable it through the flasher. | 13:22 |
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| ab | Damion, you can install stuff without upgrading to dev mode, these are not connected | 13:22 |
| alterego | Damion: get her to send me one too :P | 13:22 |
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| alterego | Think I might start working on porting Columbus today. | 13:23 |
| Damion | ab: I tried .rpm and .deb via the browser and it was having none of it | 13:23 |
| alterego | Would be good to get it under MeeGo handset and Harmattan hopefully if/when I get a N9(50) | 13:23 |
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| alterego | And refreshing the project under maemo 5 | 13:24 |
| Damion | alterego: she also claimed the flasher was windows only | 13:24 |
| ab | Damion, in settings you would enable external repositories | 13:24 |
| alterego | Sort of forcing me to do maintanence :D | 13:24 |
| thiago | Damion: there's a Linux tool too | 13:24 |
| ab | Damion, then you can copy a .deb package to a device via usb | 13:24 |
| Damion | thiago: thank god | 13:24 |
| ab | Damion, then in search you'll see it | 13:24 |
| alterego | Damion: there's linux, windows (32/64) and os x | 13:24 |
| ab | Damion, and click on it | 13:24 |
| Damion | windows is banned so she had to put a special request in | 13:24 |
| Damion | then they sent her a mac flasher | 13:25 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:25 |
| ab | Damion, flasher supports linux/windows/mac | 13:25 |
| thiago | there's the OneClickFlasher and then there's what developers use | 13:25 |
| alterego | Damion: may I ask what you guys do at your work? | 13:25 |
| Damion | ab: search! | 13:25 |
| Damion | ab: I saw no file manager so didn't bother trying to just copy a .deb to the fat drive | 13:26 |
| ab | Damion, one of those moments... :) | 13:26 |
| Damion | so I can search device and it'll find it | 13:26 |
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| Damion | when I enabled the option to permit installs not only from the store (I only saw one option, it didn't mention repositories). The device displayed a warning each reboot | 13:28 |
| Damion | I might borrow it back once I find a terminal app .deb | 13:28 |
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| Damion | alterego: we do search | 13:35 |
| Damion | and have partnerships with people who make phones so they link to our search engine, they can get revenue share on any money made if a user choses to click on an ad | 13:36 |
| Damion | rare but in the millions is can add up. | 13:36 |
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| cojack | I have no catalog simulator | 13:36 |
| cojack | in /opt/meego/ | 13:36 |
| cojack | ;/ | 13:36 |
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| Damion | does anyone have a .deb I can d/l to give me a shell? | 13:44 |
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| cojack | guys I have problem, after create a project in the tollbar Projects, in Tab Run I have "Deploy to device:" (Invalid device) | 13:45 |
| cojack | does any one know what is missing? (qt-creator by meego) | 13:46 |
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| Damion | sorry no, although I wqs reading this earlier this morning: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.2/creator-developing-maemo.html which sounds relevent | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | alterego, alt-tab switching on meego *netbook* something I complain about often. i did some testing, i think a trivial OpenSwipe implementation patch would work on it o_O | 14:17 |
| lcuk | ie swipe to task switch | 14:18 |
| lcuk | it works quite well on my ideapad | 14:18 |
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| alterego | Sounds good. | 14:23 |
| alterego | We should work on a better netbook ux, | 14:24 |
| alterego | I'd also like to try "swipe" style UI on tablets. | 14:24 |
| alterego | lcuk: still no N8+book :( | 14:25 |
| alterego | There was a delivery a minut ago but wasn't for me :( | 14:25 |
| lcuk | alterego, liqbase.opwnswipe.diff | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | openswipe.diff rather | 14:25 |
| lcuk | I did some checking on my ideapad and bugs aside, works quite well | 14:26 |
| lcuk | can happily switch between any of the panels in liqbase | 14:26 |
| alterego | The more I think about what's going on now, I'm wondering if MS made Nokia drop Linux/MeeGo in their agreement. | 14:27 |
| alterego | (outside of the agreement Nokia is rumoured to have had with intel for the one handset) | 14:27 |
| cojack | Could not find simulator for Qt version 4.7.2.0 | 14:28 |
| cojack | :( | 14:28 |
| cojack | I had add the: /opt/meego/simulator-qt/bin/qmake | 14:29 |
| cojack | and start project using this qt ;/ | 14:29 |
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| lcuk | alterego, why are you pondering things that are not directly relating to MeeGo | 14:36 |
| lcuk | better to welcome and be happy we have n9/swipe at all! | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | and to concentrate and try to make the open meego experience as polished | 14:37 |
| lcuk | think of it as the ultimate guidebook! | 14:38 |
| lcuk | and from technical perspective, I think the BA app on the searay is quite cool personally | 14:38 |
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| cojack | huh | 14:39 |
| cojack | it confuse me ;/ | 14:42 |
| cojack | I have instaled everytihng by repos, why it doesn't work | 14:42 |
| lcuk | cojack, which sdk did you stat from? | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | for example: in the Programming tab of my computer, I have 3 Qt Creators | 14:43 |
| lcuk | only one of them works for what I want | 14:44 |
| cojack | that's is the good one question, because how qt works and his sdk is pure and clearly to understand | 14:44 |
| lcuk | the others miss the mark somewhat | 14:44 |
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| cojack | but how meego sdk is, working... completly make my mind overflap | 14:44 |
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| cojack | 10k versions | 14:45 |
| lcuk | cojack, speak clearly, specifically which are you using | 14:45 |
| cojack | wait a second, I will make a list what I have already instaled | 14:45 |
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| cojack | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=trP0SmX8 | 14:46 |
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| cojack | also qt-simulator and simulator-qt | 14:46 |
| FIQ | just wonder, this meego SDK thing... does it still require linux? (i have linux here, no problem, just wonder) | 14:46 |
| FIQ | as maemo did | 14:47 |
| cojack | lcuk: and for project using qt in path: /opt/meego/simulator-qt/bin/qmake | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | cojack, where did you get the sdk from? | 14:49 |
| snowpong | small note of warning: OTA bricked our N950 | 14:49 |
| lcuk | ie meego sdk or nokia sdk | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | snowpong, bricked is harsh term | 14:50 |
| snowpong | lcuk: good point | 14:50 |
| cojack | lcuk: from: deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.10/ | 14:50 |
| lcuk | "reduced my facility to examine the masterpiece" | 14:50 |
| snowpong | lcuk: we can re-flash over usb using image from developer.nokia.com | 14:50 |
| lcuk | \o | 14:50 |
| snowpong | lcuk: I guess it's not technically bricked before it can't be flashed in any way | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: No! It turned into a housebrick! With some algae on one face! | 14:51 |
| lcuk | then it is merely temporarily put into museum showcase mode | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Violating the law of conservation of mass! | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia pays no attention to standards. | 14:51 |
| lcuk | with a wizard hat, some sprinkling of fairy dust etc | 14:51 |
| lcuk | it can levitate | 14:51 |
| snowpong | SpeedEvil: alge on one face? you've been playing too much minecraft | 14:52 |
| cojack | lcuk: and, any idea? | 14:52 |
| lcuk | cojack, not sure if the latest meego sdk is there | 14:52 |
| cojack | ok, thanks anyway | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | the BA app that was demonstrated on the Nokia Windows phone, is there by chance a very similar BA app for other devices, or do Microsoft actually have a decent app in the making there? | 15:18 |
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| FIQ | lol | 15:24 |
| FIQ | oh, wait, i was off @ scroll | 15:24 |
| FIQ | nvm | 15:24 |
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| ShadowJK | what's BA? | 15:26 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, British Airways | 15:28 |
| lcuk | there was a demo of their app on the Windows phone | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | and from integration and features it looked nice | 15:28 |
| lcuk | just wondering whether it was a port from another platform | 15:28 |
| lcuk | or a new app | 15:28 |
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| ShadowJK | oh is this the timetables thing... | 15:29 |
| * ShadowJK would've thought the "oooh" and "aaaah"s referred to something that could do all airlines :) | 15:30 | |
| lcuk | ahh BA have a range of apps across the range of devices | 15:32 |
| lcuk | the iphone app has the upgrade feature | 15:32 |
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| FIQ | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/nokias-new-meego-based-n9-is-set-up-for-failure.ars | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | FIQ, /me dances around the chan with wkradio on | 16:38 |
| lcuk | -FIQ, | 16:38 |
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| thebootroo_ | hello | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | hello | 17:11 |
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| thebootroo_ | i did another update : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23307#post23307 | 17:12 |
| thebootroo_ | and the push on the gitorious : https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng | 17:12 |
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| thebootroo_ | was wondering : did someone here tested my Qt stuff from here : https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng ? | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | thebootroo_, people are soomewhat distrcted this weekend | 17:47 |
| * lcuk will be in hospital tomorrow | 17:47 | |
| thebootroo_ | why distracted ? | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | idk some little company called Nokia published some UX guidelines | 17:48 |
| lcuk | and a reference ux | 17:48 |
| lcuk | have you read the published notes and seen where they can be applied on open meego? | 17:49 |
| thebootroo_ | you are tlking about harmattan guidelines ? published since thuesday | 17:49 |
| thebootroo_ | on developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux | 17:49 |
| lcuk | yes, have you read them? | 17:50 |
| thebootroo_ | obvioulsy, in the same second they where released | 17:50 |
| lcuk | and do any of them apply to your ux improvements | 17:50 |
| lcuk | ok, it takes longer to read than that | 17:50 |
| lcuk | and to digest and see what works | 17:50 |
| lcuk | in the general sense | 17:51 |
| thebootroo_ | i had the idea of my ux before seeing them, and they are very close to the meego handset guidelines published a year ago | 17:51 |
| lcuk | and how to integrate an app written for harmattan within open meego | 17:51 |
| lcuk | yes of course | 17:51 |
| lcuk | but the style guidelines are more precise | 17:51 |
| thebootroo_ | style can be changed | 17:51 |
| thebootroo_ | and harmattan lacks a titlebar with home and back button | 17:52 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good afternoon | 17:53 |
| berndhs | howdy | 17:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm once again on the train, on the way home | 17:54 |
| berndhs | lets hope the train doesn't get lost | 17:55 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: to answer about improving my ux, i have to say my own guidelines were ready since i own a n900 and started to make programs for it (more than a year ago) | 17:55 |
| lcuk | sothe one thing about the harmattan guidelines is how specific to a pixel size they are | 17:56 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: guidelines : minimum 40px eleements, no option buttons neither checkbox, use buttons in place, 60px titlebar with home button, icon, title and back button, both portrait and landscape support, with toolbar on the right in landscape support | 17:56 |
| berndhs | isn't that great, they give you a system with all this freedom to do what you want, and then tell you precisely what to do | 17:56 |
| lcuk | berndhs well | 17:57 |
| lcuk | to be fair, open source advocates say things like choice and openness are selling points | 17:57 |
| lcuk | people *want* specific things | 17:57 |
| FIQ | lcuk: huh? | 17:57 |
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| FIQ | oh, nvm | 17:58 |
| lcuk | so a clean polished set of apps which follow guidelines are better than a rag tag fleet | 17:58 |
| berndhs | i don't want to be told how to do every little thing, it makes things boring | 17:58 |
| lcuk | berndhs, of course not | 17:58 |
| lcuk | but better would be: the IDE/API makes it easy to input such things | 17:59 |
| berndhs | clean and polished is one aspect, branding is another one, and branding is important | 17:59 |
| lcuk | and *it* handles polishing and aligning | 17:59 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: i had already made my own qt apps using my guidelines : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | thebootroo_, but how do they fit together? | 18:02 |
| lcuk | are they related components to a bigger idea? | 18:02 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: my apps integrate quite well in maemo 5, much better in meego handset, and can integrate with departing in harmattan | 18:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 18:02 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: and i've made my own plain qt components that produce a good look for the apps on each plateform | 18:03 |
| lcuk | yesthe google website app looks like google on each platform I guess | 18:03 |
| lcuk | i got back to my computer and jake has been drawing helicopters and stars and presents | 18:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | so, what | 18:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | the guidelines are just guidelines | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, there are guidelines for many things in life Venemo_N900 | 18:04 |
| * lcuk has a set of written rules for jake | 18:05 | |
| thebootroo_ | since i've made my guidelines, i never produced an apps without following them : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ apps are all looking the same, and the MobileUX from here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23307#post23307 look very close too... | 18:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, indeed | 18:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, what I wanted to say is that noone holds a gun against your head to obey the guidelines. | 18:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | they are good to have if you need guidance | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: Actually - I've been employed by Nokia for that very purpose. | 18:08 |
| * SpeedEvil brandishes a super-soaker full of ketchup. | 18:08 | |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, for enforcing the harmattan guidelines on community app devs? | 18:08 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, who said enforcing? | 18:09 |
| * SpeedEvil decides to quit, and uses the ketchup for a sandwitch. | 18:09 | |
| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: they are good, why not use them ? we could adapt them a little (very little)... | 18:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, I didn't sey they are not god | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | actually I did read through them | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | my favourite part is where they are giving advice about what kind of lanuage to use | 18:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | but, if for a specific app/game the guidelies are not applicable, then I don't see a problem with disobeying them. | 18:12 |
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| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: you CAN disobey but you SHOULD not so do only if there is no other solution (its the principe of a guideline) | 18:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, isn't that exactly what I said? | 18:13 |
| thebootroo_ | yes inded | 18:13 |
| javispedro | there are guidelines for games =) | 18:13 |
| berndhs | I think overly specific guidelines limit people's thinking | 18:13 |
| thebootroo_ | javispedro: where ? | 18:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 18:14 |
| javispedro | many examples in harmattan ui ones. | 18:14 |
| lcuk | berndhs, reading them is important for the reason only: even if you cannot follow them, knowing the scope and range of what you should think about to produce an app is important | 18:14 |
| lcuk | and the best thing is they are presented well | 18:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk ++ | 18:15 |
| berndhs | oh sure they have many advantages | 18:15 |
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| berndhs | but they have disadvantages as well, mostly along the lines that people stop thinking and just follow the guidelines | 18:15 |
| berndhs | so you get nice uniformity, less friction between different apps, but also less variety | 18:16 |
| lcuk | project_42 | 18:16 |
| thebootroo_ | berndhs: at least this way we can be sure that good devs who are poor ui designer will produce good looking soft if they follow without thniking | 18:16 |
| lcuk | :) | 18:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_ ++ | 18:17 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 18:17 | |
| lcuk | berndhs, did you see the screenshot I took when I wrote down your suggestion? | 18:17 |
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| berndhs | you also get bad devs making apps that look good | 18:17 |
| lcuk | what I was seeing when you suggested the name | 18:17 |
| thebootroo_ | berndhs: ++ | 18:17 |
| berndhs | yeah I saw yoiu followed my "creative" idea :) | 18:17 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:18 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png | 18:18 |
| lcuk | i just wrote the placeholder for the app | 18:18 |
| alterego | I didn't realise they had a Qemu harmattan image. | 18:18 |
| alterego | That's cool | 18:18 |
| lcuk | combining it with a good solid set of guidelines should make for super awesomeness | 18:18 |
| thebootroo_ | alterego: quite slow though | 18:18 |
| alterego | "404 not found" -_- | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | first time I saw fremantle | 18:19 |
| javispedro | alterego: if you get to know how to enable qemugl on it tell me... | 18:19 |
| lcuk | was via vnc | 18:19 |
| lcuk | on my n810 | 18:19 |
| lcuk | run qemu on desktop | 18:19 |
| lcuk | vnc to n900 | 18:19 |
| alterego | javispedro: my qemu should already have gl acceleration | 18:19 |
| lcuk | have harmattan on your device | 18:19 |
| lcuk | to test | 18:19 |
| alterego | But if I can't download the image ;) | 18:19 |
| javispedro | alterego: I said "on it" =) | 18:19 |
| javispedro | for some rason I can't get to, no comment on why, and strace shows it opens the proper libs | 18:20 |
| alterego | I can't find the Xephyr command line you're supposed to use. | 18:21 |
| alterego | Mine's not working so well. | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | that is known as qoles trick btw | 18:22 |
| javispedro | xephyr? | 18:23 |
| javispedro | I though you were talking about qemu, alterego. | 18:23 |
| alterego | No, I was going to use that, but I can't downlooad the image | 18:23 |
| alterego | "404 Not Found" | 18:23 |
| javispedro | it comes in the qt sdk also | 18:23 |
| alterego | So I'm using the scratchbox SDK at the moment and wondering where in the documentation it shows you how to launch xephyr. | 18:24 |
| javispedro | so you can get it via harmattan qt sdk | 18:24 |
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| alterego | Oh, cool | 18:24 |
| javispedro | alterego: http://pastebin.com/cS5MA88D see last lines | 18:24 |
| alterego | Regardless, still want Xephyr command line :P | 18:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, 'Xephyr --help' ? | 18:24 |
| alterego | Ah, thanks :) | 18:24 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: that doesn't help. | 18:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :( | 18:27 |
| lcuk | morning khertan_ | 18:27 |
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| khertan_ | Hello :) | 18:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey | 18:27 |
| khertan_ | it s not any more the morning here :) | 18:27 |
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| thebootroo_ | it 5:30 PM here (france) | 18:28 |
| khertan_ | Stskeeps|holiday, Harmattan sdk meegotouch style have the same bugs than the meego ce one on scoller overshooting | 18:28 |
| khertan_ | 17:28 in france we count in 24 hours | 18:28 |
| khertan_ | ... :) | 18:28 |
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| thebootroo_ | khertan_: yes but not everybody understands this notation so i write in 12hg | 18:29 |
| khertan_ | thebootroo_, yep ... but lcuk does :) | 18:29 |
| alterego | Still runs like scht | 18:29 |
| lcuk | i understand english time | 18:29 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png | 18:30 |
| * khertan_ think that the overshooting bug on meegotouch look like the same as the qt4.6 one | 18:30 | |
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| alterego | Weird, there's even a deadline on submission requests for the N950 through launchpad (31st July) | 18:32 |
| javispedro | alterego: I never knew how to make xephyr use its own indicrect GL support. Personally I use vmgl, it makes it snappy, but it is a pain to install and some animations seem to b emissing (screen goes dark) | 18:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, community deadline is 28th june | 18:32 |
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| khertan_ | alterego, ... i ve push a submission ... but it validate it before i finish to enter text | 18:32 |
| khertan_ | and can't edit it | 18:32 |
| khertan_ | :( | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | so make a ne wone | 18:32 |
| lcuk | so make a new one | 18:32 |
| thebootroo_ | werll, hope i will get mine soon | 18:33 |
| lcuk | rather | 18:33 |
| javispedro | don't complain, my launchpad application has been in limbo since january and support is not answering my emails =) | 18:33 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N900: I know, | 18:33 |
| alterego | Why don't you read what I say! | 18:33 |
| lcuk | thebootroo_, what have you wanting to do with yours? | 18:33 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: port my apps from http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ , write new ones, and try usability of https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng too | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | cool | 18:34 |
| * lcuk just wants to see liqcalendar with Nokia Pure styling | 18:35 | |
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| alterego | What do you mean by Nokia pure styling? | 18:36 |
| lcuk | javispedro, n9 swipe | 18:36 |
| lcuk | it is a bit jarring to stop swiping to select app | 18:36 |
| lcuk | the n9 window manager should swipe through all the running apps | 18:36 |
| lcuk | it is so much cooler | 18:36 |
| lcuk | (testing on my ideapad | 18:36 |
| alterego | I don't like the idea of that. | 18:36 |
| alterego | Take ages to get to the app you want. | 18:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | what do you guys think about this one? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1036705#post1036705 | 18:37 |
| thebootroo_ | i'm not fan of pure gesture ui | 18:37 |
| javispedro | alterego: it works kinda well on the webos | 18:37 |
| lcuk | alterego, look at liqbase | 18:37 |
| alterego | thumbnail view is by far the easiest way to select between running apps | 18:37 |
| lcuk | the grid is still there | 18:37 |
| lcuk | but for alt-tabbing between a set of things you are working on | 18:37 |
| javispedro | alterego: after all, the operation you do most is switching between two apps (browser & notes, browser & email, ... you know the usual combinations) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | its faster | 18:37 |
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| thebootroo_ | alterego: i agree, i love the switcher from maemo 5 | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | I like the swipe concept tbh | 18:37 |
| lcuk | i do too | 18:37 |
| lcuk | liqbase.openswipe.diff agrees | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | usually I'd be ranting about the lack of buttons, but they executed it well | 18:38 |
| javispedro | lcuk: is liqbase still a pure x11+xv app, or did you wrap it in Qt? | 18:38 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i have sketches in qt | 18:38 |
| lcuk | but liqbase is still pure | 18:38 |
| lcuk | the openswipe would apply on my n810 | 18:38 |
| javispedro | I'm curious how it works in harmattan (does a swipe gesture get caught by system, or does it get caught by your application?) | 18:39 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you have the css | 18:39 |
| lcuk | it should be system | 18:39 |
| lcuk | window manager level | 18:39 |
| lcuk | look at m5, it manages button handling | 18:39 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:39 |
| lcuk | without the app | 18:39 |
| lcuk | (top left task switcher) | 18:39 |
| javispedro | on the testing thread for mikkov's sdl app the app seemingly catched the events | 18:40 |
| alterego | system takes control when it's at the edge of the screen | 18:40 |
| javispedro | though I think this is because he used the upstream SDL | 18:40 |
| alterego | gestures are under app context when more in the middle. | 18:40 |
| javispedro | which does fullscreen windows unredirected | 18:40 |
| javispedro | (but obviously I'm not sure) | 18:40 |
| javispedro | alterego: I'd like to see that code =) | 18:40 |
| alterego | It's literally the 10px borders that cause task switching | 18:41 |
| javispedro | how do you know? | 18:41 |
| alterego | The UI concept is extremely well thought, right down to the glass seemlessly going into the body to make these swipe gestures more natural | 18:41 |
| lcuk | the window manager gets the events | 18:41 |
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| alterego | javispedro: by finding the sensitive spots in the UI :P | 18:41 |
| lcuk | how about just reading the css | 18:41 |
| lcuk | arent they listed there according to javis | 18:42 |
| javispedro | they are, but I want to know how does it | 18:42 |
| javispedro | does, reads, parses,... | 18:42 |
| lcuk | not very techincal | 18:42 |
| javispedro | heh | 18:43 |
| javispedro | 4.87mm =) | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you can supress the swipe | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | suppress* | 18:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | how? | 18:43 |
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| MohammadAG | idk, you just can | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | haven't looked at the docs | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'll try to find it | 18:44 |
| thebootroo_ | javispedro: if i put swipe to 0 mm, can title bar buttons from maemo appear ? | 18:44 |
| lcuk | what has the swipe gesture got to do with titlebars and buttons? | 18:44 |
| javispedro | lcuk++ | 18:44 |
| lcuk | surely if both were intended to exist they would | 18:44 |
| lcuk | i want swipe on meego netbook | 18:45 |
| lcuk | for alt-tab | 18:45 |
| thebootroo_ | i want the titlebar from maemo5 back | 18:45 |
| lcuk | it is braindead as it stands | 18:45 |
| javispedro | haha | 18:45 |
| javispedro | agreed with that, lcuk. | 18:45 |
| javispedro | though swipe gestures on pads do not work as well | 18:46 |
| javispedro | at least palm guys think so | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, javispedro http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Full_Screen.html | 18:46 |
| javispedro | cause they removed back, etc. gestures and added a sw back button | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | "If a full screen application such as a game uses complex gestures and interactions that directly interfere with Swipe, then Swipe should be disabled during normal use and re-enabled through an intermittent or "paused" state." | 18:46 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: aww, I tough you were going to link us to API :'( ;) | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, if the game crashes I'm guessing you have to reboot | 18:46 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: see the mikkov testing thread, there's power button menu | 18:47 |
| lcuk | bug 10544 | 18:47 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications | 18:47 |
| thebootroo_ | MohammadAG: definitely i don't really like pure swipe ux, we need buttons in addition for the case we don't want or can't swipe | 18:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, maybe Cordia is for you? | 18:48 |
| lcuk | the microsoft n9 has extra hardware button | 18:48 |
| lcuk | for camera | 18:48 |
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| * lcuk will be getting one | 18:48 | |
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| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: i don't want hildon, this patched gtk stuff is shit, i want qt env, but with titlebar (like origianl harmattan guidelins and meego handset ones) | 18:48 |
| lcuk | i tried to use iphone for taking photos | 18:49 |
| lcuk | i kept holding it upside down | 18:49 |
| javispedro | thebootroo_: actually, handset never had titlebars | 18:49 |
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| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, Cordia is not about Hildon at all | 18:49 |
| javispedro | it has always been that way | 18:49 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders how many touches can be sensed. | 18:49 | |
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| SpeedEvil | If you can sense 'magic' gestures, that'd be a way out | 18:49 |
| lcuk | hardware | 18:49 |
| javispedro | I was scared at first, but now I think that no titlebars is great, specially with the "each app is a color" idea | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Say a finger in each corners. | 18:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, hildon-desktop is based on clutter, not at all on either Gtk or Hildon | 18:49 |
| thebootroo_ | javispedro: AFAIK mtf apps from meego handset HAVE titlebar, and tablet ux dont | 18:49 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you mean like I have been doing for yonks ;) | 18:49 |
| lcuk | albeit without style | 18:50 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yes, touché =) | 18:50 |
| javispedro | thebootroo_: they are drawn by client apps themselves | 18:50 |
| * lcuk understands the polish Nokia has given to certain key ideas | 18:50 | |
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| javispedro | thebootroo_: meaning, your apps can draw titlebars if you think they are best with one. | 18:51 |
| javispedro | see http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/images/building_blocks/Essentials/logo.png | 18:51 |
| thebootroo_ | javispedro: no matters the way it's done, its great | 18:51 |
| thebootroo_ | javispedro: my apps all have theirs own title bar : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ | 18:51 |
| javispedro | well. | 18:52 |
| thebootroo_ | and its better with app side titlebar, this way, games can have no one, and facebook app can have blue one.. etc | 18:52 |
| javispedro | ? | 18:52 |
| javispedro | ah | 18:52 |
| lcuk | javispedro, #agreed http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmd7scHoTZ1qz6hf7o1_400.gif | 18:52 |
| javispedro | that's what I've been saying =) | 18:52 |
| thebootroo_ | so, we need a DBus call to show desktop | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | I see that there's something about quicklaunch in swipe that I'm yet to see in action | 18:55 |
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| javispedro | (why I bet it's similar to webos quicklaunch ? ;) ) | 18:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer groans as usual when he has to learn new interfaces | 18:59 | |
| * DocScrutinizer also wonders where's status area aka systray when there's no titlebar | 19:01 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, there is a status area on top | 19:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | it's just not necessarily visible from all apps | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | how useful | 19:02 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's just like every other smartphone platform out there | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | how boring :-P | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm | 19:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, are you getting an N9(50)? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | m6 isn't for me, meego isn't for me, knew that since months. No reason to whine | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I guess not | 19:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | does that make any diff? | 19:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | I was just curious | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | It's a loaner anyway, and I'm definitely not up to get a N9 | 19:06 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | If I wanted a N9, then I had an iPhone right now | 19:07 |
| javispedro | there's still a bit of a difference | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 19:07 |
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| smoku | javispedro, yeah. no apps. ;-) | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Elop doesn't have nearly the presence of his Steveness. | 19:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | smoku :D | 19:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | it's weird how 3 of the biggest compaines are run by persons called Steve | 19:13 |
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| smoku | I should call my son Steve | 19:13 |
| javispedro | and so the cycle repeats | 19:14 |
| javispedro | people call their sons steve because it seems steves are important, so there are lots of steves, so those who end up being important are called steve, so .. | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | SteveC of openstreetmap. | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol | 19:15 |
| smoku | javispedro, so you tell there's something about it... | 19:16 |
| javispedro | though my theory breaks down because according to wikipedia, "The name was the ranked 201 in the United States in 2009" | 19:16 |
| timakima | it's a dying economy anyway. how many steves are in china? | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: That's probably a defective table, only counting boys. | 19:17 |
| javispedro | according to that table, my name is more popular in the US than Steve. | 19:17 |
| javispedro | http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi | 19:18 |
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| alterego | Wow, the N8 has HDMI _and_ composite | 19:28 |
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| alterego | Does that mean you can do triple heading, | 19:28 |
| * alterego chuckles | 19:28 | |
| Venemo_N900 | I don't think so | 19:29 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hm, I hope there will be an Intel-based MeeGo phone soon | 19:30 |
| javispedro | it won't have harmattan =) | 19:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | sure | 19:30 |
| alterego | I really don't like the idea of Intel on handsets .. But meh | 19:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | but Intel seems to be a lot more committed to MeeGo | 19:31 |
| alterego | I don't see what that has do do with anything. | 19:31 |
| alterego | The competition would be ARM, well, TI and why would they help Intel? | 19:31 |
| GAN900 | Intel doesn't ship consumer devices | 19:32 |
| alterego | A handset manufacture will use whatever the hell they want, asking for an Intel processor is a bit odd imo .. | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | they make platforms. | 19:32 |
| GAN900 | They're going to have to convince a manufacturer. | 19:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | moorestown didn't do it | 19:32 |
| alterego | Anyway, apparently there "platform" wont be ready until Q1 2012 | 19:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | there are talks about "medfield" to arrive in Q3 2011, no specific info on phone models though | 19:33 |
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| alterego | I was told by an Intel employee it's not going to be ready until Q1 2012 | 19:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 19:35 |
| alterego | And I don't think it'll be even ready then | 19:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | well, who knows? | 19:35 |
| alterego | Erm .. Intel? | 19:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | I just want to see actual MeeGo products | 19:35 |
| alterego | Why? | 19:36 |
| alterego | Is it not enough to see MeeGo on products? | 19:36 |
| alterego | Like the N900, N9, N950 | 19:36 |
| alterego | exopc | 19:36 |
| wmarone | the N9 and N950 are "MeeGo Compatible," but as yet unavailable (and Nokia's gonna work hard to ensure that) | 19:37 |
| wmarone | exoPC... lol | 19:37 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, maybe | 19:39 |
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| alterego | wmarone: I'm not talking about what it comes with | 19:40 |
| alterego | I'm talking about MeeGo ready devices. | 19:40 |
| alterego | Platforms that are open enough for us to be able to take advantage of them with MeeGo | 19:41 |
| alterego | Though admittedly topping Nokias UI is going to be pretty impossible without some serious work. | 19:41 |
| wmarone | sure, and your choice is, at this point, some iffy tablets | 19:42 |
| * wmarone fins himself short on commas... | 19:42 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | well, UX is a matter of personal taste, and I see some good ideas every day | 19:43 |
| alterego | I don't care about tablets | 19:43 |
| thebootroo_ | WOW ! http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/mynokiablog/Gogd/~3/BXi6VE6g1zU/?utm_source=feedburner N5http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/mynokiablog/Gogd/~3/BXi6VE6g1zU/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email950 12MPx | 19:43 |
| alterego | Nokia have 3 handsets now we can use for MeeGo | 19:43 |
| alterego | That is what I'm talking about. | 19:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | the problem is that because of driver issues, not too many phones can run MeeGo | 19:44 |
| wmarone | alterego: two, unless you're magically selected ;) | 19:44 |
| alterego | wmarone: Three | 19:44 |
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| wmarone | I can't get an N950 | 19:44 |
| alterego | Just because you don't have them doesn't mean they're not targets | 19:44 |
| alterego | So? | 19:44 |
| alterego | The world doesn't revolve around you | 19:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | even Nokia doesn't support its own hw adaptation team with drivers | 19:44 |
| wmarone | why would you target a device no one can get? | 19:45 |
| alterego | Erm .. What? | 19:45 |
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| alterego | wmarone: because some of us will probably have them? | 19:45 |
| alterego | And the hardware is identical, it's free. | 19:45 |
| berndhs | a pure developer device isn't really a "target" | 19:45 |
| * alterego sighs | 19:45 | |
| alterego | It's always about end users with you guys. | 19:45 |
| berndhs | well its about users other than myself | 19:46 |
| alterego | Is that because you don't use MeeGo yourself? | 19:46 |
| wmarone | I know, we should cater to the tiny minority that got hardware everyone wanted, but Nokia dumped | 19:46 |
| alterego | Then why are you here? | 19:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | it's about as many users as possible | 19:46 |
| alterego | wmarone: you're missing the point, the N9 and N950 are pretty much identical. | 19:46 |
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| alterego | And they're so close to the N900 our MeeGo CE will work fine on all of them. | 19:46 |
| wmarone | so then it's a moot point, and the N950 is a moot device | 19:46 |
| alterego | In fact, I hear it does already. | 19:46 |
| alterego | What we need is a nicer next gen ux | 19:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, out of curiosity, do you use MeeGo on your N900 btw? | 19:47 |
| alterego | wmarone: sure, I'm just saying we have 3 devices and you're saying that just because you don't have an N950 it doesn't exist. | 19:47 |
| alterego | Which is bull shit | 19:47 |
| wmarone | err | 19:47 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: yes, of course. | 19:47 |
| berndhs | 950s are probably fine devices, just not targets | 19:48 |
| alterego | Seriously, why are they not targets? | 19:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, does the FMTX work? | 19:48 |
| alterego | Of course they are targets .. | 19:48 |
| berndhs | market-size they are like beagleboards | 19:48 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: never tried it. | 19:48 |
| berndhs | market-wise | 19:48 |
| alterego | We don't have a front end. | 19:48 |
| alterego | So? | 19:48 |
| alterego | We're not doing it to make money .. | 19:48 |
| berndhs | so you will not have any users on them | 19:49 |
| alterego | If you want a hardware device you can make money from, why don't _you_ build devices .. | 19:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | about a next gen nicer UX, what do you have in mind? | 19:49 |
| alterego | I really can't see what your points are .. | 19:49 |
| berndhs | my point is that a development platform is not a target | 19:49 |
| berndhs | different things | 19:49 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: I never said I had anything in mind. | 19:50 |
| alterego | berndhs: and I'm asking you why? | 19:50 |
| alterego | Of course it is a target | 19:50 |
| alterego | and IT IS A TARGET | 19:50 |
| alterego | We are going to be targetting the N950 | 19:50 |
| berndhs | for the same reason that a simulator is not a target | 19:50 |
| * alterego sighs | 19:50 | |
| berndhs | they make fine development platforms for many purposes | 19:50 |
| alterego | I'm just not going to bother with this conversation any more .. | 19:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, I'm just saying I agree with you that we need a nicer UX :) | 19:51 |
| alterego | Yes berndhs that is why they're f'ing targets. | 19:51 |
| alterego | That is what makes them targets. | 19:51 |
| berndhs | only for developers | 19:51 |
| alterego | For the MeeGo project. | 19:51 |
| alterego | For whoever can get one, actually. | 19:51 |
| alterego | Why would it be only for developers? | 19:51 |
| berndhs | because nobody else can get one | 19:51 |
| * TSCHAKeee still mad that the N950 is a limited run loaner. | 19:52 | |
| alterego | If a normal user gets an N950 then I'm not going to tell them to go away. | 19:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | but hey at least it exists. | 19:52 |
| berndhs | normal people can't get one | 19:52 |
| alterego | berndhs: don't be naive. | 19:52 |
| wmarone | alterego: if a normal user gets an N950, then as you said the N9 software (except for NFC stuff) should Just Work | 19:52 |
| alterego | I'm sure you'll find a lot of "normal" people getting them. | 19:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, I'm just saying I agree with you that we need a nicer UX :) | 19:52 |
| javispedro | with 250 only? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | =) | 19:52 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: good ;) | 19:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | if Nokia pulls the N9/N950, I will go to Nokia headquarters, and burn the place down. | 19:52 |
| alterego | javispedro: there's a lot more than 250 ;) | 19:52 |
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| javispedro | TSCHAKeee: I'm joining you with my bulldozer | 19:53 |
| wmarone | javispedro: maybe if they loosen up on the requirements from the nokia dev program... | 19:53 |
| berndhs | sure, a max of 250 users simplifies support :P | 19:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | well, noone knows whether the N950 will be sold or not | 19:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | we only know that for the time being it's a devkit | 19:53 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: yes we do, it is not going to be sold | 19:53 |
| alterego | It will only be a "devkit" device .. | 19:53 |
| alterego | It will never be sold by Nokia | 19:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | they can change their minds anytime. I can imagine a lot of business users needing the qwerty on it | 19:54 |
| alterego | The N9(50) aren't business devices. | 19:54 |
| alterego | They are N series multimedia devices. | 19:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | no, they are dev devices | 19:54 |
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| berndhs | what are they? entertainment devices ? toys ? | 19:54 |
| alterego | The N9 isn't a dev device. | 19:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | but nokia could make a similar one for business users anytime | 19:54 |
| alterego | Sure, the E7 | 19:55 |
| alterego | That is a business device. | 19:55 |
| alterego | Targetted at business users .. | 19:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | E7 is crappy symbian shit | 19:55 |
| alterego | m'hmmm .. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | screw phones, I want a nokia lightsabre. | 19:55 |
| alterego | Symbian will outlive MeeGo in Nokia | 19:55 |
| alterego | Live with it | 19:55 |
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| berndhs | Nokia will aim at the high end of the low end market for the billion ? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | Nokia is large enough to have its best focus at each point. | 19:57 |
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| berndhs | large enough yes | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | "symbian will outlive meego in nokia" -> I don't care | 19:58 |
| alterego | m'hmmm | 19:59 |
| alterego | I don't care that you don't care :) | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | I only hope that there will be a sane phone vendor to offer meego | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | whether it will be nokia or not, doesn't matter | 19:59 |
| alterego | I think it does matter. | 19:59 |
| lcuk | how about Nokia will outlive any OS on its phones. | 19:59 |
| berndhs | why would it matter ? | 19:59 |
| thebootroo_ | this guy is stupid : http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/nokias-stephen-elop-is-still-over-meego-even-if-the-n9-is-a-hi/ | 19:59 |
| alterego | It certainly does to me. I wouldn't think twice about buying from Nokia, but other manufacturers, HTC, Samsung, LG, I would have to be on crack to buy a phone from them. | 20:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | I would pick MeeGo over Symbian or WP7 any day | 20:00 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: he's right. | 20:00 |
| thebootroo_ | alterego: Stephen Elop is stupid | 20:00 |
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| berndhs | well, if you have a special preference for a company... | 20:00 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: I don't think he's stupid. | 20:00 |
| thebootroo_ | why can't they keep releasing 1 or 2 meegophone each year | 20:00 |
| alterego | I think the board are stupid | 20:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | even though I kinda like developing with MS tools, I'd get a MeeGo device over any other, regardless of manufacturer. | 20:00 |
| berndhs | Elop can't do anything that the board doesn't want | 20:01 |
| alterego | Erm, so? | 20:01 |
| alterego | That just reinforces my feelings that the board are stupid. | 20:01 |
| lcuk | sigh | 20:02 |
| berndhs | so i'm saying in those cases where Elop's stategy is stupid, that's the board as much as himself | 20:02 |
| berndhs | more the board actually if he is wrong, because they put him there | 20:02 |
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| thebootroo_ | so nobody in the fucking board listens to consumers ? they want to push WP7 that nobode wants and kill meego which as fans and have been wellcomed by press ? they are stupid | 20:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | why does everyone think that they know the business better than Elop or the board or anyone? they surely have good financial reasons to do what they're doing. | 20:03 |
| lcuk | thebootroo_, wp looks cool to be fair | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | MS paid them a good amount of money, and that's it. | 20:04 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: WP7 look ugly as hell | 20:04 |
| alterego | It looks quite cool. | 20:04 |
| alterego | I don't think it's good though | 20:04 |
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| Venemo_N900 | WP7 is not ugly, "just" dumb | 20:04 |
| lcuk | what makes it dumb? | 20:05 |
| alterego | It's unique, which is good for it, but I'm more interested in making things usable and consistent. | 20:05 |
| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: no, ugly, really | 20:05 |
| lcuk | the integration with products and services many folks have at home? | 20:05 |
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| alterego | "Microsoft Products" .. | 20:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, it lacks a bunch of features. at least it did, last time I checked. | 20:05 |
| lcuk | so? | 20:05 |
| lcuk | they are products | 20:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | so, it's dumb. | 20:05 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: i have no XBox, no MSN account, no Windows Computer, no Zune .... i don't matter integration | 20:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | it will get better in time, just like MeeGo gets better all the time | 20:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, I envy you! | 20:06 |
| lcuk | you don't | 20:06 |
| lcuk | but many do | 20:06 |
| lcuk | i just don't see the point of slating something | 20:06 |
| lcuk | just because you are not the audience | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | but I do not go there often | 20:07 |
| lcuk | etc | 20:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk ++ | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | the windows phone offering is compelling to its audience | 20:07 |
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| thebootroo_ | lcuk: so keep WP7 for WIndows users, but keep meego for others, why don't keep both instead of killing meego ? | 20:07 |
| lcuk | from our side, i am pleased maemo hackers got the n9 release :D | 20:07 |
| lcuk | thebootroo_, technically as meego is open source it should be upto us to make sure it liveson | 20:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, yeah, I think this is what I wanted to say. it's just that I'm not the target audience of WP7 | 20:08 |
| alterego | yes, like berndhs was doing earlier about the N950 not ebing a target :P | 20:08 |
| javispedro | lcuk is clearly preparing for a larger elopcalyipse | 20:08 |
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| thebootroo_ | plus, many Windows users i know don't want WP7 which is ugly and look unfinished and Wontfix | 20:08 |
| alterego | I think Elop agreed with MS that they can never use another competing platform (esp. meego) | 20:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, I want it to live on! | 20:09 |
| alterego | That would make what he said more sensical, rather than just insane. | 20:09 |
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| thebootroo_ | its seems insane to kill the best phone ever in his bed | 20:10 |
| lcuk | the new windows phone is out | 20:10 |
| thebootroo_ | with best smartphone os ever too | 20:10 |
| lcuk | Nokia ++ awesome device | 20:10 |
| lcuk | what would now make Nokia the most awesome company in the world would be to also give a Symbian version | 20:11 |
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| thebootroo_ | but i don't want windows in a phone, its yet too heavy computer, and too buggy, closed source, ui is poor ... etc | 20:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, WP7 is not related to the windows that you run on a desktop | 20:11 |
| javispedro | lcuk: there have been some photos on engadget about an android n9 | 20:11 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: who would want a symbian version all said symbian should be dead years ago | 20:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, it's just a brand name | 20:11 |
| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: same developers, same technologies | 20:12 |
| lcuk | and PLEASE chinese cloners - give us a RESISTIVE screen version | 20:12 |
| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: WP7 is heavy (look at minimum requirements) | 20:12 |
| thebootroo_ | lcuk: ++100 | 20:12 |
| lcuk | same screen quality as n900 | 20:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, and those technologies are very compelling to developers | 20:12 |
| thebootroo_ | Venemo_N900: less than QT | 20:12 |
| thebootroo_ | *Qt | 20:12 |
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| alterego | I never said Symbian should be dead. | 20:12 |
| thebootroo_ | i said | 20:13 |
| alterego | I think it's good, it just needs to be updated. | 20:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, have you ever developed a Silverlight app? or used C#? | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | if only chinese cloners started cloning the insides too, instead of using the same phone-on-a-chip as always | 20:13 |
| alterego | And they were working toward that .. | 20:13 |
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| thebootroo_ | alterego: in software, some thing need to be recreatd from scratch, we can't always update | 20:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, Symbian surely does need a new UX, and that's all. | 20:13 |
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| thebootroo_ | Symbian would need a new Core too | 20:14 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, touch and type is compelling device | 20:14 |
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| alterego | Symbian (inside) is extremely well done | 20:14 |
| lcuk | thebootroo_, look at sheer number of tested devices symbian happily runs on | 20:14 |
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| alterego | imo | 20:14 |
| lcuk | it puts qt cross platform to shame | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, it's a nice small device, but it is not based on Symbian | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego ++ | 20:14 |
| alterego | Symbian is the _only_ operating system currently in use that was written explicitly for ARM based mobile computers. | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | indeed | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | but it never had a good touch GUI | 20:15 |
| lcuk | it was not designed to need one | 20:15 |
| lcuk | phones were for making phone calls. | 20:16 |
| alterego | Actually, I quite liked the Psion 5MX and Revo UXs :P | 20:16 |
| thebootroo_ | apps installation is shit | 20:16 |
| lcuk | thebootroo_, make something better | 20:16 |
| thebootroo_ | and file system organisation is shit | 20:16 |
| alterego | (which did have touch capability) | 20:16 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: that is unimportant. | 20:16 |
| javispedro | alterego: for ARM? | 20:16 |
| javispedro | you mean for embedded. | 20:16 |
| alterego | javispedro: ? | 20:16 |
| alterego | I mean for ARM | 20:16 |
| thebootroo_ | and changing that would break compatibility so, instead of updating almost everything, use meego which is new so well though from start | 20:17 |
| alterego | It hasn't ran on anything other than ARM AFAICT | 20:17 |
| lcuk | thebootroo_, green code is fun | 20:17 |
| thebootroo_ | symbian is well for small non touch phones | 20:17 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: compatibility with what? And how would you think this is a problem? | 20:17 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: I just don't think you know what you're talking about. | 20:18 |
| alterego | Symbian isn't just the series 60 UX, or the Symbian Anna UX, or the Symbian^3 UX | 20:18 |
| thebootroo_ | alterego: i konw what i'm taling about | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | Symbian is not an UX | 20:18 |
| thebootroo_ | i had symbian S60 devices, Maemo5 too, and now meego, and my father has a N8 symbian 3 | 20:18 |
| alterego | Symbian is an _entire_ operating system that is capable of running software, has great multi-tasking and resource management, as well as security features and data management (like PIM) built in. | 20:18 |
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| alterego | thebootroo_: you really don't. | 20:18 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: you're just jumping on the "symbian is crap" band wagon, when you're only talking about Nokias user experience with it so far. | 20:19 |
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| thebootroo_ | changing symbian to make it at same level as android and meego would mens change about all, so break symbian programs compatibilty so no interest, better use a new OS | 20:19 |
| alterego | bull shit | 20:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | nope | 20:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | it would just need a good UX | 20:19 |
| alterego | It would mean removing the crappy N series UI and putting Qt on top of it, then they could just use Swipe as well. | 20:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | which they were unable to (or didn't care to) implement | 20:20 |
| thebootroo_ | alterego: after using many symbian device, i must say resource management is NOT good | 20:20 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: m'hmmm ... | 20:20 |
| lcuk | alterego, performance not withstanding. | 20:20 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: so the fact it can run in 16M of memory isn't good? | 20:20 |
| alterego | Or even less? | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | Like when they were unable to fix a bug where a dialog text overran screen :) | 20:20 |
| alterego | Symbian's foot print can go down to 256Kb | 20:20 |
| lcuk | and alterego - what window manager is running | 20:20 |
| thebootroo_ | i don't go 'symbian is crap' for fun or hype, but because i used to have many | 20:20 |
| javispedro | alterego: that is bad. | 20:20 |
| alterego | javispedro: compared to what? | 20:21 |
| javispedro | you know. palmos can also run with 2 KiB of heap. | 20:21 |
| * lcuk once wrote a mandelbrot calculation routine that fitted in the 680ec20 cpu cache :) | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | 256bytes! | 20:21 |
| javispedro | the limitations that are caused because it can do so are what killed it | 20:21 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: you're complaining about how Nokia have employed the OS, which is understandable. | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia used to ship memory-starved symbian devices that were unable to properly run some of the included software :) | 20:21 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: it's a common preconception which is not based on reality. | 20:21 |
| lcuk | to be fair ShadowJK | 20:21 |
| thebootroo_ | so why a 5800XM with 128 mb ram used to lag as hell ? footprint != resource efficiency | 20:21 |
| lcuk | that is an industry wide thing | 20:21 |
| javispedro | actually, low footprint usually means low resource efficiency. | 20:22 |
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| alterego | thebootroo_: I'd like to see you run anything else on there that gave as many features and ran better ... | 20:22 |
| lcuk | I would like tomorrows software on yesterdays hardware. | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | That Nokia insider thing claimed software devs would suddenly at a late stage be told they'll have half the ram they previousl thought there'd be :P | 20:22 |
| alterego | :) | 20:23 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, developers have been using 2x the memory as any other computer user in the building for many years | 20:23 |
| thebootroo_ | what i means i that killing symbian on Smartphones i concevable but not killing meego ! | 20:23 |
| lcuk | and 2x the cpu | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | "I need high spec to compile" | 20:23 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: I don't see how that even matters | 20:23 |
| lcuk | then when end users get the software "it runs slow" | 20:24 |
| alterego | Symbian will out live MeeGo in Nokia | 20:24 |
| lcuk | "it works on mine" | 20:24 |
| alterego | That was the original statement I made. | 20:24 |
| berndhs | right lcuk, the bloat problem doesnt have technical reasons, its attitude | 20:24 |
| thebootroo_ | what i see is : symbian for touch and type devices, wP7 for mid range phones (C and X series), and meego for high end devices (n series) | 20:24 |
| sofar | sounds more like a #meego-bar conversation to me, folks | 20:24 |
| lcuk | berndhs, put your developers on the lesser machines | 20:24 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: well, that isn't reality | 20:24 |
| sofar | perhaps you guys want to "scoot" over to meego-bar? | 20:24 |
| thebootroo_ | alterego: and that's bad | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | Symbian is so hard to program that Nokia itself failed at it, so that's kinda off-putting for third party devs :P | 20:24 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: we'll see. | 20:25 |
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| alterego | We might not like or agree with Elop or Nokia's current and future thinking. But that doesn't mean that the choices they have and are making are bad choices for what plans they have made. | 20:25 |
| alterego | If Nokia get back in the game, with WP7, I'm sure that the stock holders will be happy. | 20:26 |
| alterego | And normal users wont give a crap | 20:26 |
| alterego | And it'll just be people like me that suffer. | 20:26 |
| thebootroo_ | i don't think many current nokia buyers will buy WP7, because its not nokia | 20:26 |
| alterego | And I am a truely minute minority. | 20:26 |
| sofar | alterego: take the heated discussion to meego-bar, please | 20:26 |
| sofar | thanks. | 20:26 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: My brother and a lot of my friends disagree with you :P | 20:27 |
| thebootroo_ | alterego: mine disagree you | 20:27 |
| alterego | They can't wait for an xbox phone :P | 20:27 |
| alterego | thebootroo_: you mean the disagree with Nokia | 20:27 |
| thebootroo_ | if person want WP7 they alreay have HTC, Samsung, LG ... | 20:27 |
| thebootroo_ | nokia was different | 20:27 |
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| alterego | Erm, Nokia is different. | 20:27 |
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| sofar | alterego: take the heated discussion to meego-bar, please, thanks! :) | 20:28 |
| thebootroo_ | nokia was symbian and meego, throught unfied harmattan UX | 20:28 |
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| alterego | sofar: how about I just stop talking, but thanks for addressing me and not the others involved. | 20:28 |
| thebootroo_ | if nokia makes android or WP7, its no more than othe manufacturers | 20:28 |
| ShadowJK | I've heard one person saying he'd buy wp7 from nokia. However... he wants a business phone, and basically expects it to be qwerty of some sort and have full office, word. powerpoint, exchange and outlook support :P | 20:28 |
| * alterego wonders off. | 20:28 | |
| sofar | you're the one carrying on the conversation, while others did not. | 20:28 |
| thebootroo_ | so nokia can make android or wp7 but should do only that | 20:29 |
| alterego | sofar: sure, I'm the one continuing the discussion right now .. | 20:29 |
| alterego | bbl | 20:29 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, he is addressing you because you are the only one smart enough to listen | 20:29 |
| alterego | sofar: fluffing up features with ops isn't exactly nice behaviour btw. | 20:30 |
| Goliath23 | elop seems to be a giant fool! | 20:30 |
| alterego | ~feathers, I was going to disengage anyway .. | 20:30 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: maybe .. | 20:30 |
| alterego | Anyway, I'm gonna do some washing up | 20:30 |
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| ShadowJK | i wasnt continuing, just slow because i'm trying to use vkb to maybe get used to the idea... :) also, have no idea what's going on while typing this :) | 20:31 |
| thebootroo_ | anyway, i'm gonna buy N9, to show my support to the last true Nokia N Series | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | it's like having a minute of network latency | 20:31 |
| berndhs | that's the problem with virtual keyboards, they are only half-duplex | 20:31 |
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| alterego | I'm going to buy two N9s, if I can afford it, I want a pink and black one. | 20:31 |
| thebootroo_ | and my next phone will be meego phone from another vendor, unless nokia finally make a new one | 20:32 |
| alterego | Hell, I might get all three, I plan on taking a picture of the entire NIT range | 20:32 |
| thebootroo_ | you want pink one ? serious ? | 20:32 |
| alterego | (I've got every device since 770 :) | 20:32 |
| thebootroo_ | i would like dark green and black (matrix) one | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | do you also have the elusive n810w? :) | 20:32 |
| thebootroo_ | N810 Wimax edition ? | 20:33 |
| alterego | No, unfortunately that will be the one absentee :( | 20:33 |
| Goliath23 | I don't get it.. what happens there at nokia? the meego developers must feel really awful. they built a really cool os and then this.. http://tinyurl.com/6xgstoq | 20:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, pink? | 20:33 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N900: the N810 wimax edition | 20:33 |
| alterego | It's the only NIT I don't have right now. | 20:34 |
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| thebootroo_ | Goliath23: i posted same link an hour ago : i disagree the "even if meego is a sucess, i'll kill it" | 20:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 20:34 |
| thebootroo_ | they could keep both WP7 and meego | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | sofar, not in a position to ask, but any reason you're still +o'd? | 20:34 |
| thebootroo_ | everybody would be happy | 20:34 |
| sofar | I just walked off, had to make coffee | 20:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, as my GF read this chat, she said that you should give the pink N9 to her :P | 20:35 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: :) | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 20:35 |
| lcuk | sofar, i don't think the topic really changed | 20:35 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:35 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: I have my own gf to sort out, she's using my original N900 at the moment and she really likes it. | 20:35 |
| javispedro | it's too late, everybody is dead! just ruuuuuun! | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego :D | 20:36 |
| thebootroo_ | i'll get black N9 for me (unless i get a N950) and blue (not pink) N9 for my wife | 20:36 |
| sofar | lcuk: I tried | 20:36 |
| thebootroo_ | (she had 5230XM) | 20:36 |
| lcuk | sofar, very well indeed might I add | 20:36 |
| lcuk | which meego device do you run? | 20:36 |
| thebootroo_ | (she envied my N900 but found it to big) | 20:36 |
| sofar | I strongly encourage everyone to take the conversation to #meego-bar | 20:36 |
| sofar | I strongly encourage everyone to take the conversation to #meego-bar | 20:36 |
| sofar | I strongly encourage everyone to take the conversation to #meego-bar | 20:36 |
| sofar | I gotta go to a kids party now | 20:36 |
| sofar | keep it clean | 20:37 |
| sofar | :) | 20:37 |
| lcuk | sofar, enjoy the party | 20:37 |
| thebootroo_ | sofar : i strongly encourage you stop flooding | 20:37 |
| * javispedro lols | 20:37 | |
| alterego | sofar: don't spam | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | I strongly encourage you not to spam while getting your point across :P | 20:37 |
| thebootroo_ | ^^ | 20:37 |
| thebootroo_ | he he he | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 20:37 |
| sofar | I'll boot myself. ;) | 20:37 |
| alterego | sofar: and it's not like anyone was talking about anything else | 20:37 |
| lcuk | can you add swipe support to stacking windows in qt | 20:37 |
| alterego | _and_ it's the weekend we're just not talking shop :P | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, it would also be nice to make a photo of all NITs running MeeGo | 20:39 |
| sofar | it's either this pool party or a toddler pool party for me | 20:39 |
| sofar | tough choice... | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | sofar, my condolences | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | thebootroo_, in any case, if you are a frequent visitor on this channel, you could see me many times saying that nokia's management is nuts. | 20:40 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: that it would | 20:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 20:41 |
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| dm8tbr | oops, somebody accidentially his connection | 20:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :D | 20:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | nah, my train will arrive very soon | 20:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | so, bye-bye folks :) | 20:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'll come back when I get home | 20:45 |
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| lainwir3d_ | damn sgx drivers not being available as hardfp | 22:33 |
| thiago | find them in the N950 images | 22:34 |
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| lainwir3d_ | well i suppose that means my beagleboard rootfs will have to use the same gcc / libc / kernel as the N950 image ? | 22:36 |
| thiago | libc yes | 22:36 |
| thiago | gcc not necessarily | 22:37 |
| lainwir3d_ | ok, thanks | 22:37 |
| lainwir3d_ | and where can i find the N950 image ? | 22:38 |
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| thiago | that I don't know | 22:39 |
| lainwir3d_ | i'll search | 22:39 |
| lainwir3d_ | thanks anyway | 22:39 |
| lainwir3d_ | :-) | 22:39 |
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| boss | eZKaToN: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 22:42 |
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| sofar | oof | 23:35 |
| sofar | toddler pool party is over | 23:35 |
| sofar | you guys can come out and troll in here again now :) | 23:36 |
| berndhs | i had some deep technical questions, but I forget | 23:36 |
| alterego | Erm, I'm getting a chinese. | 23:38 |
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| timakima | i'm too busy watching ring 24h race | 23:38 |
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| berndhs | i want to make the marine IVI, does someone have funding for that ? | 23:39 |
| wmarone | hm, I wonder if anyone tested the harmattan sdk out when using ubuntu 10.10 in virtualbox :/ | 23:43 |
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| npm | is ohmd needed on the tablet-ux only for handling rotattion? (why?) | 23:47 |
| sofar | don't think it is | 23:53 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit | 23:53 |
| dm8tbr | berndhs: I'd implement it for free if I get a ship to test it on for indefinite usage ;) | 23:53 |
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| npm | i turned it off and rotation stopped working, but that could be for all sorts of reasons. (last wednesday's tablet build is a real dog...) | 23:54 |
| berndhs | dm8tbr: that's part of my strategy | 23:54 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 23:54 |
| npm | gone back to using xinit and mathbox... | 23:54 |
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| Venemo | good evening guys :) | 23:55 |
| npm | feels like 1987-88 all over again :-) | 23:56 |
| Venemo | wut? | 23:56 |
| npm | having to use xinit and twm... | 23:56 |
| lainwir3d_ | wut?! | 23:56 |
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| npm | badness == baseurl == http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.5.20110621.5/repos/oss/ia32/packages | 23:57 |
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