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| xoan | BestiaH: hi | 00:23 |
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| Saviq | lbt: built fine on b.o.o | 00:23 |
| alterego | Damnit, can't use the map data from maemo/symbian in QML maps | 00:23 |
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| lbt | Saviq: FYI - some workers weren't upgraded to 11.4 | 00:24 |
| BestiaH | Hi hi | 00:24 |
| Saviq | lbt: yeah but I think only the "kernel too old" is related to that | 00:24 |
| Saviq | but maybe not | 00:25 |
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| BestiaH | Hi there!! | 00:32 |
| BestiaH | I'm testing meego in N900 | 00:33 |
| BestiaH | Anybody could tell me where can I find the specifications? | 00:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Specifications? | 00:35 |
| BestiaH | Yes! | 00:35 |
| BestiaH | of meego.... where is describe how it is suppose to behave :P | 00:36 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: fancy helping me file a bug? | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | BestiaH: The source. | 00:37 |
| BestiaH | wait a secon alterego | 00:38 |
| lbt | BestiaH: I think you should go to #meego-arm | 00:38 |
| BestiaH | The source??? | 00:38 |
| BestiaH | aha | 00:38 |
| lbt | and ask there how to help with testing | 00:38 |
| BestiaH | megoo-arm | 00:38 |
| BestiaH | thanks | 00:38 |
| alterego | CosmoHill: wassup? | 00:38 |
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| BestiaH | ;) | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: tar is old and doesn't reconisie that xz is a compression] | 00:39 |
| alterego | That's not a bug | 00:39 |
| alterego | The new version of tar uses a new version of the GPL, and apparently that's something that MeeGo doesn't want. | 00:40 |
| alterego | Same with Bash | 00:40 |
| alterego | sorry :/ | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks | 00:47 |
| phaeron | maybe bsdtar would be better | 00:48 |
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| CosmoHill | something where I can go tar xf file.tar.xz and it not go "wtf" | 00:52 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: uh-oh. MeeGo is trying to avoid GPLv3? That's the first I've heard of that. | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | GPLV3 has real issues for manufacturers | 00:53 |
| javispedro | meego favors lgpl2 | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | From the makers view, tivoisation can be a big argument | 00:53 |
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| gabrbedd | SpeedEvil: yeah... I saw this coming. Just the first time I've seen it become manifest. | 00:54 |
| alterego | Well, I heard this same issue with tar a while back and someone explained it then, that's why I'm informed ;) | 00:55 |
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| javispedro | imho a can of worms. the last thing the project needs atm. | 00:55 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: ok, thx. | 00:55 |
| gabrbedd | javispedro: FULL ACK. | 00:55 |
| phaeron | from the man page bsdtar looks like it supports xz | 00:55 |
| alterego | It's not anything new, I imagine it was a choice from the get go. | 00:56 |
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| javispedro | alterego: it is (same policy from nokia...), but still a can of worms. | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | I can only pray the fact remains hidden enough. | 00:57 |
| pebcak | you bet it won't | 00:57 |
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| * gabrbedd searches wiki to see if this is tribal knowledge | 00:57 | |
| Saviq | I can't even blame them, really... | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone will bring out a locked-down meego device - guaranteed. | 00:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - IVI | 00:58 |
| alterego | javispedro: what is your concern? | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - you've bought an expensive map licence. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | gabrbedd: https://meego.com/about/licensing-policy | 00:58 |
| alterego | I don't understand the "can of worms"? | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, it comes with a TOS that is going to require locking down the device. | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | (forex) | 00:58 |
| alterego | But then I'm not up on gpl law or anthing ... | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | alterego: think the periodical flamewars between bsd vs gpl | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: GPLV3 tries to outlaw tivoisation. | 00:59 |
| DawnFoster | for example, most people involved in IVI said they won't use anything with gplv3 | 00:59 |
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| lbt | phaeron: they're not interested in a useful answer ... arguing about licenses is more fun ;) | 00:59 |
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| berndhs | well, the key is the start of the second paragraph, right | 01:00 |
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| phaeron | :D | 01:00 |
| berndhs | "In particular, the requirement is to use licenses compatible with the OSI Open Source definition and use the software and licenses in a way that enables proprietary extensions" | 01:00 |
| alterego | anyway, bedtime for me, g'night. | 01:00 |
| gabrbedd | javispedro: haha, i just came back to paste exactly that! | 01:01 |
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| javispedro | =) | 01:01 |
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| gabrbedd | javispedro: Although, it's a carefully worded statement designed to avoid opening cans of worms. :-) | 01:03 |
| * gabrbedd will look the other way. | 01:03 | |
| user0 | can i get an example of what will still be the community's job to develop for the developers edition of meego to get it fully working on the n900? | 01:03 |
| user0 | like whats gona be missing after the projects done | 01:04 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: night night! | 01:04 |
| gabrbedd | user0: I think they have a wiki page on wiki.meego.com. The DE guys also tend to hange out in #meego-handset. | 01:05 |
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| alterego | user0: the project will never be done. | 01:05 |
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| alterego | As long as there are people working on it. | 01:06 |
| gabrbedd | javispedro: TBH, I'm not a big fan of GPLv3, anyway. | 01:06 |
| alterego | There's no end of project deadline. | 01:06 |
| javispedro | gabrbedd: well, I am, and thus this pisses me off. But I will also look the other way. | 01:06 |
| user0 | interesting | 01:06 |
| alterego | Not really, it's an open source project. | 01:07 |
| gabrbedd | javispedro: :-) | 01:07 |
| user0 | lol | 01:07 |
| gabrbedd | I figure the v2 vs v3 thing is going to get very uncomfortable (everywhere) round about next year. | 01:07 |
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| user0 | so alterego, you think the guys from nokia will still be working on the project ? | 01:08 |
| gabrbedd | user0: N900 DE is a little like a Debian project. Community driven.... community timeline. :-) | 01:08 |
| user0 | that is after nokia stop paying them for it | 01:08 |
| alterego | We're doing it for the future of the N900, it's the only NIT device that's had a life as long as it has and especially no with MeeGo N900 CoEd. | 01:08 |
| alterego | user0: paying who? | 01:08 |
| gabrbedd | user0: AFAIK, Nokia hasn't put up a penny for the N900 DE. It's totally community. | 01:08 |
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| alterego | I don't get paid for it. | 01:09 |
| user0 | :O | 01:09 |
| gabrbedd | user0: This is witnessed by the fact that it's distributed on a non-meego.com server. | 01:09 |
| user0 | well thats good news. | 01:09 |
| newbie007 | the n900 is the best phone I know of | 01:09 |
| alterego | Actually, that doesn't matter so much, only the images are distributed on maemo.org | 01:10 |
| alterego | The packages are all from meego.com obs | 01:10 |
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| user0 | alterego : you must be one of the guys in that video i watched yesterday | 01:10 |
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| alterego | user0: which video? | 01:11 |
| user0 | cant find the link anymore | 01:11 |
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| alterego | Was it the San Francisco de session? | 01:11 |
| user0 | yap. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | alterego: sts technically gets paid ;) | 01:12 |
| alterego | Then no, I was the guy Jukka phoned :) | 01:12 |
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| user0 | :D | 01:12 |
| alterego | javispedro: well everyone else does but me ;) | 01:12 |
| alterego | Sage and Stskeeps get paid through their consultancy firms, jukka and msugano are Nokia | 01:14 |
| user0 | alterego : when the platform is ready to be using on the n900 to develop for meego , they will stop paying them. correct? | 01:14 |
| user0 | :) | 01:14 |
| alterego | No | 01:15 |
| user0 | :S | 01:15 |
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| alterego | The platform is already for meego development. | 01:15 |
| user0 | used* | 01:15 |
| alterego | What do you think it's lacking right now? | 01:15 |
| newbie007 | I thought the n900 is dead - meaning they won't produce any more, next would be perhaps n901 or something | 01:16 |
| alterego | newbie007: Nokia don't make them anymore, if that's what you mean. | 01:16 |
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| user0 | alterego : http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status | 01:17 |
| newbie007 | so why target this device (although it is cool) why not set sites on the nook color (same architechure but newer/faster) | 01:17 |
| user0 | ... | 01:17 |
| alterego | Because the nook isn't a handset, and we like handsets | 01:18 |
| javispedro | not to mention that the n900 probably has slightly more documented hardware. | 01:18 |
| alterego | And we have all the drivers. | 01:18 |
| newbie007 | I need my n900 as a phone so I wouldn't be so daring to switch the OS, hope to get to that point though | 01:19 |
| alterego | user0: exactly, we've already pretty much reached the initial goals for the CoEd project. | 01:19 |
| newbie007 | is the nook color so different ? | 01:19 |
| alterego | So how would you like it to improve? :) | 01:19 |
| alterego | newbie007: dunno, I do know people have got MeeGo running on it. | 01:20 |
| newbie007 | oh I'm just behind the curve since I need it as a phone, Is meego ready for the n900 (meaning phone) | 01:20 |
| alterego | Yup, | 01:20 |
| newbie007 | wow I didn't know | 01:21 |
| alterego | It's a little rought around the edges | 01:21 |
| alterego | But you can make and recieve calls, using my nice qml dialer | 01:21 |
| alterego | (that's what I do, the qml dialer program) | 01:21 |
| newbie007 | my understanding is that meego doesn't work with the screen on the nookcolor, the videos we saw were a chroot actually running android | 01:21 |
| user0 | alterego : so with a few more green tables on that page it should be ready to be used as a primary OS for the n900 ? | 01:21 |
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| alterego | Today I implemented a little app which imports your contacts from maemo into meego | 01:22 |
| newbie007 | if I could make a call from the command line,, then I'd totally switch | 01:22 |
| newbie007 | ./dial.sh 555-555-5555 | 01:22 |
| newbie007 | that would be cool | 01:22 |
| alterego | user0: depending who you are, it's already quite ready, I run it myself for my personal phone, but my work phone is still maemo | 01:22 |
| alterego | I can tell you the command line to make a call if you like ;) | 01:23 |
| user0 | the guy presenting in that video says its gona have a few features missing that need to be worked on by the community afterwords | 01:23 |
| user0 | or thats what i understood from him | 01:23 |
| newbie007 | ha ha cool | 01:23 |
| alterego | user0: well, the important thing is we have all the hardware enablers, so we can use all hardware in the N900 | 01:23 |
| user0 | alterego : lovely. | 01:23 |
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| alterego | Then it's up to the community to write apps and make meego ce what they want it to be | 01:24 |
| newbie007 | I'm refferring to a post from wmarone at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3037&page=4&highlight=nook | 01:24 |
| alterego | write/port I mean | 01:24 |
| alterego | What we aimed to do and are doing and have done, is bring a functioning phone os to the N900 in the form of meego | 01:25 |
| alterego | That means, out-of-the-box, you can make and recieve calls, send text messages, have your contacts, browse the web. | 01:25 |
| alterego | These are the basic use cases. | 01:26 |
| javispedro | and have a fully functional ANSI terminal emulator! | 01:26 |
| newbie007 | I just want almost-ti, abiword, and gnumeric and I'd be happy | 01:26 |
| user0 | "aimed to do and are doing and have done" | 01:26 |
| user0 | how about "will keep on doing" :) | 01:26 |
| alterego | In the user0 that too :) | 01:26 |
| alterego | urgh, remove those first words :P | 01:27 |
| user0 | :) | 01:27 |
| alterego | So we're improving what we've done, the biggest thing now is performance, mainly, app start up times. | 01:28 |
| alterego | And reducing memory usage, to stop swap hell. | 01:28 |
| alterego | But other than that (and a few small bugs) we're kinda at a loss as to what to do now. | 01:28 |
| alterego | If you've got a requirement, then let us know :) | 01:28 |
| newbie007 | will there ever be another (newer) phone that can run meego ? | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | abiword and gnumeric would be "interesting" on meego ;) | 01:29 |
| alterego | newbie007: yes | 01:29 |
| * user0 is enjoying this conversation | 01:29 | |
| newbie007 | in the works ? | 01:29 |
| alterego | newbie007: apparently so :) | 01:29 |
| newbie007 | cool | 01:29 |
| user0 | im getting another n900 tomorrow , the first one got stolen | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | newbie007: has been for a year and a half (or more) | 01:30 |
| user0 | good to see people still developing for it | 01:30 |
| newbie007 | it really is the best phone | 01:30 |
| alterego | The Harmattan device, will be a target for MeeGo Community Edition, like the N900 is. | 01:30 |
| user0 | newbie007 : indeed | 01:30 |
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| * ShadowJK suspects reducing the enormous memory usages, and teaching kernel about flash based storage devices (heck, if someone would teach devs first) are tasks that probably never end | 01:31 | |
| alterego | user0: we even have the camera working quite well L) | 01:31 |
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| thiago_home | ShadowJK: don't forget power consumption | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | oh and isn't there newer kernels to keep up to date with, wayland move, etc :P | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | heck, I keep having to teach people not to use "sleep" in their code | 01:32 |
| user0 | alterego , i remember him saying something about that | 01:32 |
| alterego | But there are certainly things I miss, basically apps I use all the time on maem | 01:32 |
| alterego | Like conboy | 01:32 |
| user0 | :D | 01:32 |
| alterego | Anyway, I really must get to bed now | 01:33 |
| user0 | g'night. | 01:33 |
| newbie007 | there is a program on most linux distros "calcurses" I think. It's a textbased calendar/scheduling system. If that program were fully integrated with the cell phone's scheduler, that would be pretty cool | 01:34 |
| alterego | Got a weekend of hacking to look forward to ;) | 01:34 |
| alterego | g'night | 01:34 |
| newbie007 | thanks for the info! | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | thiago_home, oh yes. "flash isn't magic, it's worse than harddrives, much worse", and "if you poll I'll strangle you with an elephant" | 01:35 |
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| newbie007 | ShadowJK: could you explain your dislike of flash ? | 01:36 |
| user0 | im assuming , closed source or something about buggy linux support | 01:37 |
| user0 | :P | 01:37 |
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| javispedro | I use to read a blog from a MS guy, "the old new thing", and they usually have this discussion of how to enforce "good manners" on applications | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | raymond chen's blog | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | very good read | 01:39 |
| javispedro | there was a quote this week or the previous, "non enforceable law is not law" | 01:39 |
| javispedro | which I found inspiring, in the sense that understanding it is probably the best way to "forbid sleep" ;) | 01:39 |
| newbie007 | ms bought out skype and installed some malware | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | It's not that I hate flash based storage, it's just that all our disk schedulers and filesystems have 25 years of optimizations for rotational media, and thus able to slow down a 12Megabyte/s write capable flash storage to 0.1 Mbyte/s | 01:39 |
| thiago_home | what was the one I liked... | 01:39 |
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| thiago_home | oh, "to illustrate our superior intellect, we'll ask you a question you cannot answer" :-) | 01:40 |
| thiago_home | he was talking about how developers often resort to asking the user a question when they can't figure out what to do | 01:40 |
| thiago_home | and invariably the user's answer will be "get me out of this dialog" | 01:40 |
| thiago_home | search for "The default answer is Cancel" | 01:41 |
| newbie007 | I wonder if flash will make filesystems obsolete someday, it will eventually become a black box I would think | 01:41 |
| javispedro | thiago_home: an experience I had: elderly woman: clicks on the close button of firefox, gets the "Do you want me to close all tabs?" dialog, doesn't read it, closes the dialog, proceeds to close tab by tab manually, the clicks on the window close button again | 01:43 |
| newbie007 | I mean if flash is going to put something somewhere regardless of where the filesystem thinks it is, then seems like unnecessary overhead to have a filesystem | 01:43 |
| javispedro | cue sense of accomplishment because this time "she didn't get a error message". | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | newbie007: a filesystem is more than just "where did my bytes go" | 01:45 |
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| smoku | newbie007, flat-filesystem is not a new thing | 01:49 |
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| Scelt | okay misters | 01:50 |
| newbie007 | no I get, I was just thinking out loud | 01:51 |
| Scelt | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/ - which one from there is okay to run? | 01:51 |
| Scelt | having the "no mmc card found" problem now | 01:51 |
| Scelt | wiki says (you need the raw.bz2 file for the daily acceptance image) and tried with a daily acceptance image but something isn't okay | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, oh I've seen the opposite. That tab-saving and restore functionality resulting in people opening firefox, getting old tabs+new tab, clicking bookmark to favourite tv stream, suddenly having multiple streams playing simultaneously thinking their computer is posessed | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | yeah, tab-saving has surprised me a few times even. | 01:53 |
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| ShadowJK | on desktop I can't live without tab-saving :P | 01:56 |
| Scelt | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110606.2.DE.2011-06-07.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance-1.2.0.90.3.20110606.2.DE.2011-06-07.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 01:56 |
| Scelt | shoudl that work with n900? | 01:56 |
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| Saviq | hrm hrm where do I get the current madde-sysroot... the 07.06 builds seem to have failed at building the madde-sysroot image | 01:58 |
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| Scelt | okay, reinstalling uboot fixed it | 01:59 |
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| Scelt | thanks for the help! | 01:59 |
| Scelt | troubleshooting would hurt in wiki | 01:59 |
| Scelt | +not | 02:00 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:20 |
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| Saviq | does the meego online sdk installer actually install 12GB regardless of the targets? | 03:23 |
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| phl0x81 | could be, that it gets you all the good stuff ;) | 03:25 |
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| berndhs | they could give a formula for space required, based on the targets - but people would complain that its off by 3 bytes | 03:27 |
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| sivang | hey people at EST :) | 06:02 |
| * sivang is still jet lagged | 06:02 | |
| sivang | and in PDT | 06:02 |
| sivang | ofcourse :-) | 06:02 |
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| azgaroth | hello everybody | 07:18 |
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| sivang | coffee morning to you Stskeeps :) | 07:46 |
| sivang | sofar: I wonder if statistics are still being collected | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | there's still being ratings collected. especially now after videos are up | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | but keep in mind that ratings are also kind of sensitive to many people - if your company sent you across the world to present something on your topic and you did a crap performance, it might affect you | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm much more into 'top 10 best rated talks', ie, positive rating | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm kind of against publishing raw data/comments | 07:49 |
| sofar | obviously, my talk will rank top #10 | 07:50 |
| sofar | :) | 07:50 |
| * sofar giggles, he had like maybe 20 ppl in his talk | 07:50 | |
| Stskeeps | we should update package-groups for systemd reality btw, i spotted fastinit in there | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | (and good job at the systemd integration, i started looking closer at it now) | 07:51 |
| sofar | though fastinit was already gone | 07:52 |
| sofar | which package-group? | 07:52 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 07:52 | |
| Stskeeps | package-groups 0.70 in trunk, base.yaml | 07:52 |
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| Stskeeps | zypper would complain about it but yum happily steps over the missing dep, i think ;) | 07:53 |
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| sivang | sofar: lol, 20 people are a lot | 07:58 |
| sivang | sofar: two of my sessions there was barely 10, and in the talk around 5-6 | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | at least it seems like BoFs were more constructive this time around | 07:58 |
| sivang | but that is mostly due to late breaking news CfP not being properly annoiunced on the large LCD | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | the 200 person room for BoFs in dublin was killer for any kind of real discussion | 07:59 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: they were awesome! | 07:59 |
| sofar | small rooms work well | 08:00 |
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| sivang | hrm | 08:08 |
| sivang | just got hacked through twitter,or my system decided to telinit 1 by itslef | 08:08 |
| sivang | odd | 08:08 |
| sivang | there are some nasty spammer circulating in twitter, be ware :) | 08:09 |
| sivang | spammer(s) | 08:09 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders | 09:09 | |
| Stskeeps | [ 340.565032] <13>uxlaunch[1695]: process -1 was killed by signal 9 | 09:09 |
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| sofar | git is currently broken | 09:13 |
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| sofar | is that a released version? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | trunk:testing | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | i killed pulseaudio and uxlaunch went mad ;) | 09:14 |
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| sofar | ha | 09:14 |
| sofar | can you pastebot your pulseaudio.desktop file (/etc/xdg/autostart...) ? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2050916 | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | er, yeah, from the 'cat' | 09:16 |
| sofar | mk | 09:17 |
| sofar | well, funky | 09:18 |
| sofar | corefile might be nice to have | 09:18 |
| sofar | or, a bt full | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't core, interestingly, just loops | 09:18 |
| sofar | unless you have corewatcher running, in which case I'll get it | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but let me replicate this on a less frankenstein image :P | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm doing a personal experiment to cut down meego core footprint so it fits with qmlviewer (and eventual qt5+wayland) in 128mb ram | 09:19 |
| Jay_BEE | nice | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | so forcing my n900 to have mem=128m in kernel :P | 09:20 |
| sofar | just do cgroups | 09:20 |
| sofar | move all of it into a container with a max mem limit | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: adding mem=128m to cmdline works just as well and is closer to reality | 09:21 |
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| lardman | hey w00t | 11:59 |
| lardman | amjad_: sounds like morning is not agreeing with you ;) | 12:00 |
| w00t | the only good morning is a dead one | 12:00 |
| amjad_ | well in my part of world it is seista time now :) | 12:00 |
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| lardman | Does the Meego 1.2 SDK install? | 12:26 |
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| lardman | as mine is complaining about not being able to find sometihng or other | 12:27 |
| lardman | Error during installation process(com.meego.sdk.targets.simulator.skin): | 12:27 |
| lardman | Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 100): "/home/simon/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/pm install meego-sdk-qt-simulator-skin" | 12:27 |
| lardman | hmm, whole thing is apparently broken | 12:29 |
| lardman | I do like the way the progress bar rewinds when you cancel the installation though | 12:29 |
| lardman | but that is probably the only positive feature | 12:29 |
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| Saviq | lardman: mine won't install since my distro version isn't supported yet... it's only been here since March, after all :[ | 12:34 |
| lardman | Ah I forgot I just upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 on my netbook, perhaps that is the issue | 12:34 |
| Jay_BEE | yup | 12:35 |
| lardman | though the errors reported are not very clear really | 12:35 |
| lardman | anyway I'm not sure I want the SDK | 12:35 |
| lardman | this is all far more painful that it should be | 12:36 |
| lardman | s/that/than | 12:36 |
| lardman | I wonder if Meego.com employs anyone to look at documentation | 12:36 |
| lardman | I guess I will need something other than the SDK if my app requires external libraries | 12:37 |
| lardman | ones that I will also need to build for Meego | 12:37 |
| lardman | ? | 12:37 |
| chouchoune | lardman: what I did on Ubunu 11.04 is | 12:38 |
| chouchoune | when you get the error message | 12:38 |
| chouchoune | for example "/home/simon/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/pm install meego-sdk-qt-simulator-skin" | 12:38 |
| chouchoune | I did aptitude install meego-sdk-qt-simulator-skin | 12:38 |
| chouchoune | and the "Retry" | 12:38 |
| chouchoune | and it passes | 12:38 |
| lardman | oh ok | 12:38 |
| chouchoune | but you have to do it lots of times because it will fail for every packet | 12:39 |
| lardman | yeah I saw that | 12:39 |
| chouchoune | (as <Ubuntu 11.04 is not supported officially) | 12:39 |
| lardman | I might give up on the netbook and go back to the desktop which still has Ubuntu 10.10 | 12:39 |
| lardman | but presumably for the external libs, I need to setup an obs account and build them there? | 12:40 |
| chouchoune | you might also have to change the repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/meego-sdk | 12:40 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, no idea for that | 12:41 |
| lardman | I miss everything being encapsulated in e.g. sb | 12:41 |
| lardman | if I ever work out how to do this I should write a guide for Maemo developers wanting to migrate | 12:42 |
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| doyoulikeit | hey we like this www.62bo.com | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | doyoulikeit: is that spam? | 12:50 |
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| w00t | looks like it | 12:50 |
| doyoulikeit | what spam? | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | Code Gardening | 14:19 |
| lcuk | v. | 14:19 |
| lcuk | 1. To cultivate a visually pleasing set of pixels. | 14:19 |
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| CosmoHill | Le Mans starts in 2:30 mins | 15:57 |
| * thiago_home is watching | 15:58 | |
| thiago_home | do they time the SC leaving with the chronometre? | 15:59 |
| CosmoHill | euro sports? | 15:59 |
| thiago_home | yes | 15:59 |
| thiago_home | there we go | 16:00 |
| thiago_home | are all LMPs now closed cockpit? | 16:01 |
| thiago_home | there's one open-top | 16:01 |
| CosmoHill | dad says that are all closed now and are heavier too | 16:03 |
| thiago_home | maybe the opentop ones are LMP2 | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | fuel pumps are slower than regular fuel pumps that we use | 16:03 |
| * thiago_home likes the Aston Martins' numbers | 16:03 | |
| CosmoHill | 007 and 009? | 16:03 |
| thiago_home | yeah, and 008 too | 16:03 |
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| CosmoHill | we should be seeing the same thing on eursport just with different comentary | 16:04 |
| thiago_home | yes, it's in norwegian here | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | LMP2 are lighter and open aparantly | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | (according to dad) | 16:04 |
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| CosmoHill | noooo, not james bond | 16:09 |
| thiago_home | 007 is out... | 16:10 |
| CosmoHill | it's backwards in a gravel trip | 16:10 |
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| CosmoHill | 009 is having issues too | 16:10 |
| thiago_home | do you get a commercial break now? | 16:10 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 16:11 |
| CosmoHill | very arty audi A1 advert | 16:11 |
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| thiago_home | same here | 16:11 |
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| CosmoHill | it's kinda cool watching the same thing as someone else in different places | 16:11 |
| thiago_home | now rolex | 16:11 |
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| CosmoHill | same | 16:11 |
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| CosmoHill | well that wasn't a very nice thing to do that a biker | 16:12 |
| thiago_home | ok, now I'm confused: if we're watching the same thing, is the bike race tomorrow 12:00 your time or mine? | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | huh, Mtu actually looks okay in blue | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | it's been 15 mins and people are already being lapped | 16:14 |
| thiago_home | it's only been 3 laps | 16:15 |
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| CosmoHill | must be weird driving the pro or am cars and being over taken at those speeds | 16:19 |
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| timakima | it gets always awesome during night and/or rain | 16:22 |
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| CosmoHill | I know the LMP cars have white headlines and the GT cars have yelow | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | that guy is flying | 16:24 |
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| berndhs | went to the 24h race in Daytone, lots of fun | 16:27 |
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| CosmoHill | god lord | 16:27 |
| CosmoHill | good* | 16:27 |
| berndhs | ah there is a stream | 16:29 |
| berndhs | how nice | 16:29 |
| CosmoHill | some of the racers have their own feeds | 16:29 |
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| berndhs | yes this seems to be from 1 car | 16:30 |
| berndhs | no commentary, just scenery going by, and another car in front | 16:31 |
| timakima | speedtv seems to have corvette sponsored stream | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | pit stop | 16:31 |
| berndhs | yes thats the one I found | 16:32 |
| * timakima doesn't have eurosport :P | 16:32 | |
| berndhs | its amazing how eurosport isn't on canadian over-the-air TV :) | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | it's not on over-the-air tv here either | 16:32 |
| thiago_home | cable | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | sky here (satellite) | 16:33 |
| * thiago_home needs to go to the supermarket | 16:35 | |
| thiago_home | 23 hours and 25 left. I think I have time. | 16:35 |
| berndhs | oh but the critical event will happen while you're shopping | 16:35 |
| * thiago_home has live pause on his PVR | 16:36 | |
| berndhs | get the stream on your phone :) | 16:36 |
| thiago_home | the supermarket is 30 seconds away | 16:36 |
| thiago_home | hmm... rain has picked up again | 16:36 |
| thiago_home | will wait another 15 min | 16:37 |
| berndhs | this will be good for IVI, watch racing while you sit in a traffic jam | 16:37 |
| CosmoHill | that pink car will be easy to spot at night | 16:38 |
| berndhs | i took a nice photo of the cleanest car in the 24h Daytona race, broke down on the first lap | 16:39 |
| thiago_home | cleanest as in no sponsoring? | 16:40 |
| berndhs | cleanest as in no bugs on no dirt on it | 16:40 |
| CosmoHill | I remember corvert pulled there cars into the bits to clean them before the final lap | 16:41 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: go go go | 16:44 |
| berndhs | the #73 is pretty much by himself most of the time | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans | 16:49 |
| berndhs | just taking a weekend drive in teh countryside, very relaxing | 16:50 |
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| CosmoHill | I should go some time | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | my aunty lives in le mans | 16:50 |
| berndhs | yeah, what's your excuse for not being there ? | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | I have many | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | feck | 16:51 |
| thiago_home | ok, looks like the rain has lessened again | 16:51 |
| thiago_home | but wait... | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | fucking hello | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: language | 16:51 |
| thiago_home | that was an audi | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: sorry | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | was that the GT1 leader he hit? | 16:52 |
| thiago_home | driver's ok | 16:52 |
| timakima | which audi team? | 16:53 |
| CosmoHill | audi audi | 16:53 |
| * w00t got rained on | 16:53 | |
| w00t | a lot | 16:53 |
| * w00t makes a vow to never go outside again | 16:53 | |
| thiago_home | no, it wasn't the GT1 leader | 16:53 |
| thiago_home | the lights on the side weren't on | 16:53 |
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| CosmoHill | that could have been a lot worse if that tyre had his nayone | 16:54 |
| CosmoHill | anyone* | 16:54 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 16:55 |
| CosmoHill | camera man in the blue was so lucky | 16:55 |
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| thiago_home | ok, now I'm going to buy food | 17:05 |
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| CosmoHill | we don't have eurosport 2 in HD here :( | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ?[?1953.857746]?serial8250:?too?much?work?for?irq4 | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks to guess where that one is from :) | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Ah,familiar! | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | (that's from a OBS build.) | 17:53 |
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| allix | hello | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hi | 18:03 |
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| allix | i had a look at the irc logs for running meego on a amd fusion cpu , i would have to compile for source or is their a unofficial meego 1.2 amd port | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | does fusion have SSSE3? | 18:09 |
| allix | yep | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | if so, you shouldn't need to compile from source, but you may have to do hardware adaptation for graphics | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | meego is tune for core2, SSSE3 | 18:09 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, any details on the bit about TSG nominations for the CO meeting next week? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: wiki page lists them | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | I saw the CO office nominations, but didn't see anything obvious on the wiki. | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Proposed_CO_Nominations_June2011 - the TSG of Jaffa was added by mikhas, think that might be wrong area | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's linked in http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 18:11 |
| mikhas | can only nominate for meetings that actually happen | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | point | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well, let's see | 18:13 |
| berndhs | there still is a TSG? or is that a rumor too ? | 18:14 |
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| gabrbedd | allix: can you do this.... cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, truth is it's us people at the floor that runs the show anyway ;) | 18:15 |
| mikhas | more than ever | 18:15 |
| gabrbedd | allix: Also, "intel graphics" has been a MeeGo x86 requirement in the past. | 18:15 |
| mikhas | dad left us first, but mom only drinks these days | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | that's a little more vague :) | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: people have mentioned success with netbook+nvidia drivers+xorg with xinerama at least | 18:16 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: ok, thx | 18:17 |
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| allix | gabrbedd, i am not currently on the machine at the moment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd_fusion#.22Ontario.22_.2840nm.29 All models support: SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4a, NX bit, AMD64, PowerNow!, AMD-V | 18:18 |
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| gabrbedd | allix: ok... I was just double-checking. We get all kinds in here. :-) | 18:20 |
| allix | hehe, i can imagine | 18:20 |
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| allix | the device is the acer iconia w500 tablet | 18:22 |
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| ahel | hi! there is an application to chat on irc for meego? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | which build? | 18:25 |
| ahel | sorry lcuk netbook one | 18:25 |
| ahel | 1.2 | 18:25 |
| ahel | last stable avaible i think | 18:26 |
| lcuk | xhcat is on the repositories | 18:26 |
| lcuk | somewhere | 18:26 |
| lcuk | hold on | 18:26 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#Outline | 18:26 |
| lcuk | the info to get at the repository that timoph setup is there I believe :) | 18:27 |
| lcuk | and fingers crossed, that should have xchat within once you add that repo | 18:27 |
| ahel | meego chat integration library won't work? found in Add/Remove Software :) | 18:29 |
| allix | ahel, xchat is a good irc client, i am using it now :) | 18:31 |
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| ahel | allix: you also have obtained it following that ^^ page? | 18:36 |
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| ahel | ok done it :) ty | 18:42 |
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| CosmoHill | that green car did very well | 19:01 |
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| berndhs | its amazing how often the RNG picks me to win an ipad | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Me too! | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got a couple of hundred of them by now as free gifts and special offers. | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm using them to keep the mud down in the garden. If you crush them and scatter them on paths, it works well | 19:06 |
| berndhs | you extract the rare earth materials first, I hope | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | in meego netbook, there is an internet search option | 19:34 |
| lcuk | how come the browser is not preloaded for things like this? | 19:35 |
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| csgeek2 | hello all | 19:59 |
| csgeek2 | I'm trying to install meego 2 on a netbook. When I try to boot the image I get an error: mount: /dev/loop2: can't read superblock | 19:59 |
| csgeek2 | any ideas? | 19:59 |
| ahel | after resuming meego2 won't load anymore the Network Panel on the top | 20:02 |
| ahel | everything is unclickable | 20:02 |
| ahel | csgeek2: what is your loop2 device? | 20:04 |
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| ahel | i have restarted but it's the same thing! | 20:05 |
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| ahel | it won't store back my network :'( | 20:06 |
| csgeek2 | I have no idea.. the usb thumb drive that's trying to boot? | 20:07 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ping | 20:08 |
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| csgeek2 | hmm.. okay. I have meego setup now, just no wireless sadly | 20:22 |
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| ahel | csgeek2: yesterday was the same for me. | 20:41 |
| g00fy | hiho | 20:41 |
| g00fy | hope any1 is able to hel me... | 20:41 |
| ahel | csgeek2: what driver do you need? | 20:41 |
| ahel | g00fy: speack | 20:41 |
| ahel | *speak | 20:41 |
| g00fy | since release of meego 1.2 i'm no more able to use wifi | 20:42 |
| g00fy | asus eeepc 1000 | 20:42 |
| g00fy | wifi works so far, it recognizes wireless networks | 20:42 |
| ahel | g00fy: downgrade! | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | report a bug | 20:42 |
| g00fy | but when i'm trying to connect, nothing happens | 20:42 |
| ahel | :P | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | best way to get things fixed | 20:42 |
| g00fy | Stskeeps: before I start a bug report i'm willing to ask the community | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | bugs are usually better :) | 20:43 |
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| g00fy | and i thought irc would be the fastest way ^ | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | we have people triaging acively | 20:43 |
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| g00fy | soooo many bugs found already... uuuh., gonna be hell lot of work -__-' | 20:44 |
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| ahel | Stskeeps: do you know how to say in english that a button is unclickable, gray and so on.. | 20:44 |
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| g00fy | guess you mean "disabled" :) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:45 |
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| ahel | ahah ty guys :) i'm hungry "P | 20:46 |
| g00fy | you're lucky | 20:47 |
| g00fy | I'm currently sittin at McDon | 20:47 |
| * g00fy throws a cheese burger at ahel | 20:47 | |
| g00fy | :D | 20:47 |
| ahel | ty g00fy but i don't eat _that_ stuff :P | 20:48 |
| g00fy | what about some tomatoes from spain? xD | 20:48 |
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| user_ | hi everyone | 20:49 |
| user_ | there is someone here | 20:49 |
| ahel | pasta e polpette dall'italia mate :P | 20:49 |
| g00fy | hi mister / miss x | 20:49 |
| ahel | g00fy: ^^ | 20:49 |
| user_ | ciao italiano | 20:50 |
| user_ | mister | 20:50 |
| g00fy | sry, i'm not that good in italian language | 20:50 |
| ahel | hehe :) ciao anche a te user_ | 20:50 |
| ahel | g00fy: i said i prefear a good dish of pasta :) | 20:50 |
| user_ | i prefer pizza | 20:51 |
| berndhs | bacon | 20:51 |
| user_ | but there is some games project for meego to join? | 20:51 |
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| g00fy | brb (changing 2 another client) | 20:52 |
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| g00fy | baaaaaah | 20:56 |
| user_ | sorry i am on xchat on n900 and tou | 20:56 |
| g00fy | forgot about mibbit blocking | 20:56 |
| g00fy | >__< | 20:56 |
| user_ | how can find meego games channel? | 20:57 |
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| g00fy | oookay, adding bnc ^^ | 21:04 |
| g00fy | brb | 21:04 |
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| user_ | hey boy i first time use irc but noone write or my client don't work well? | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't a meego games channel. | 21:08 |
| user_ | 4xx users and noone write | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | As far as I k now. | 21:08 |
| user_ | thanks so | 21:08 |
| user_ | however why noone talk if are online more than 400 users? | 21:09 |
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| berndhs | they're busy doing soemthign else probably | 21:10 |
| user_ | ok sorry | 21:10 |
| * CosmoHill can't find out where to download star | 21:10 | |
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| g00fy | yeah, it works :D | 21:13 |
| user_ | yeeeeeah | 21:13 |
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| g00fy | am I still on??? | 21:17 |
| g00fy | o_O | 21:17 |
| user_ | what is the problem? | 21:17 |
| g00fy | nothing ^^ | 21:17 |
| g00fy | it just was quite silent | 21:17 |
| user_ | yes it was | 21:18 |
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| maligor | the silence might be because it's a weekend evening | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | indeed | 21:21 |
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| maligor | there's certainly a bunch of people who get paid for working on meego, so they're more inclined to gather motivation here during work hours of their work weeks ;P | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | See also the wiki and mailing lists. | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | At the moment a lot of attention is going on getting the basic bits of meego up and working well. | 21:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | You've pretty much got to get that stable, and working, before starting to think about games. | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | people are already doing games, at least | 21:25 |
| g00fy | whatever... i'm gonna use the remainig weekend :) | 21:27 |
| g00fy | see ya | 21:27 |
| maligor | unless you target netbook, getting hw might be out of reach of most tho | 21:27 |
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| maligor | I guess the only easily available ones are the lenovo and exopc | 21:28 |
| maligor | for tablet, and n900 for handset | 21:28 |
| maligor | kind of makes games hard, since all of those aren't really target hw | 21:29 |
| maligor | err.. none | 21:29 |
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| harbaum | Where do i find a recent tablet image for the ideapad? | 21:44 |
| harbaum | One of these: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/ | 21:44 |
| harbaum | ? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | pinetrail, i think | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | (if i recall correctly) | 21:44 |
| harbaum | Thanks, will give one a try ... | 21:45 |
| maligor | yeah, it's pinetrail | 21:45 |
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| Sage | hmmp... For some reason I'm unable to install the latest tablet stable and testing to my exopc | 22:24 |
| lcuk | sage eep | 22:24 |
| Sage | 1.2.0.90.x that is | 22:25 |
| maligor | that's not 'stable' | 22:25 |
| Sage | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.3.20110610.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 22:26 |
| Sage | maligor: it says stable in URL so it must be :D | 22:26 |
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| maligor | snapshots and stable seems contradictory to me | 22:27 |
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| Sage | maligor: well tablet hasn't ever been released as "stable" or "gold" images yet. 1.2.0 didn't include tablet ux release | 22:27 |
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| maligor | I know, I even had access to them before public drop :P | 22:28 |
| maligor | but the non-release setups sometimes will fail to start | 22:29 |
| Sage | I have tried to install 3 different images alraedy 4 times each and all failed :) | 22:29 |
| Sage | either my exopc is broken or the installation is broken :/ | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | Sage, does the live boot work? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | ie can you get to the UI by just inserting usb key? | 22:30 |
| maligor | Sage, you should note that the exopc setup has a issue tho | 22:30 |
| maligor | it'll fail x times when you boot it up | 22:30 |
| maligor | we have a few of those at work, and it's certainly consistent | 22:30 |
| Sage | maligor: well that is separete issue. This halt happens in the very end | 22:30 |
| maligor | oh, ok | 22:31 |
| maligor | never used the exopc's myself | 22:31 |
| Sage | It is already installing stuff to the disk and I see status bar. And that goes to the end and it halts there | 22:31 |
| Sage | "Copying live image to hard drive" | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | any dmesG? | 22:31 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: pong | 22:34 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well, not sure how to get out of the installer :) | 22:36 |
| Sage | I don't have keyboard at hand currently | 22:36 |
| Sage | and my lenovo N5901 doesn't have F1-F12 keys ;) | 22:38 |
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| maligor | good old keybord wins every time, instead of silly wireless ones | 22:39 |
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| maligor | looks like a dinovo mini in some ways | 22:40 |
| Sage | lcuk: trying that now | 22:45 |
| Sage | lcuk: yes live boot works | 22:46 |
| lcuk | Sage, curious | 22:47 |
| * Sage tries the liveinst after booting | 22:48 | |
| Sage | eh, it doesn't find the ssd :P | 22:48 |
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| Sage | ah needed to start it as root | 22:50 |
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| Sage | still not working :/ | 22:56 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: dmesg didn't give any clues | 22:56 |
| Sage | no errors etc | 22:56 |
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| maligor | Sage, is it a personal exopc or just happen to be working in the weekend?-) | 22:59 |
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| maligor | I think the last pinetrail images I tried were very early ones from either of the 1.2.xx or 1.2.0.xx series | 23:00 |
| Sage | maligor: well didn't have anything else to do so wanted to try how it looks now :) | 23:00 |
| maligor | the 1.2.0 wouldn't 'look' very different | 23:01 |
| * Sage wonders why ext4 isn't option when doing partitions with installer | 23:01 | |
| maligor | if I understand the versioning right | 23:01 |
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| maligor | Sage, because meego people are mad with brtfs | 23:01 |
| maligor | err.. btrfs | 23:01 |
| Sage | that is not a good reason :) | 23:01 |
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| Sage | there is vfat, ext3 and some others already | 23:02 |
| berndhs | ext4 is considered to be Bad(tm) | 23:02 |
| maligor | berndhs, as opposed to btrfs being Good(tm)?-) | 23:02 |
| berndhs | something along those lines, yes | 23:02 |
| maligor | I've had my workstation trigger kernel panics a few times because of it | 23:02 |
| maligor | until I decided to blacklist btrfs | 23:02 |
| berndhs | i forget why, but ext is missing on purpose, its not an accident | 23:02 |
| berndhs | ext4 | 23:02 |
| maligor | ext certainly never was focused on ssd use | 23:03 |
| maligor | but I've seen a bunch of oopses from btrfs in target systems so... | 23:04 |
| Sage | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12814#c1 <- apparently ext4 is not supported and will not be supported during installation | 23:04 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 12814 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] Meego kernel lacks ext4 driver | 23:04 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 12814 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] Meego kernel lacks ext4 driver | 23:04 |
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| berndhs | Sage: I think some (most?) device manufacturers prefer a full-auto install with no questions asked | 23:14 |
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| maligor | berndhs, on tablets? | 23:15 |
| Sage | berndhs: well, if the image is for device manufacturer then it is different story as it probably comes as preinstalled to device anyway | 23:15 |
| maligor | yeah, they might have a usb recovery setup or something tho | 23:16 |
| berndhs | sure but people who work on this stuff for a living might prefer to use something close to what the actual customers will use | 23:16 |
| berndhs | by "customers" i mean manufacturers, not end users | 23:16 |
| maligor | berndhs, well.. that depends a lot | 23:16 |
| berndhs | just saying this is where some of it comes from | 23:17 |
| maligor | mostly if the "customers" are interested in modifying the software stack themselves or not | 23:17 |
| maligor | and what the view point is :P | 23:17 |
| berndhs | it | 23:17 |
| berndhs | it's not my view point :) | 23:18 |
| Sage | berndhs: also any manufacturer that wants to use meego will probably do their custom images anyway as they want their logos etc to them | 23:19 |
| berndhs | sure | 23:19 |
| berndhs | you won't buy the IVI in a BMW with a meego label | 23:19 |
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| maligor | Sage, well... it always depends on where you're in the ecosystem ;P | 23:20 |
| berndhs | sun has set in Le Mans | 23:21 |
| maligor | like if you're writing middleware for some intel customer | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf? bug #1234 | 23:27 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, Medium, ---, wu.zheng, RESO INVALID, [Calpella notebook] No bluetooth device driver | 23:27 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, Medium, ---, wu.zheng, RESO INVALID, [Calpella notebook] No bluetooth device driver | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick _MeeGoBot_ | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: would you like to sort hat ? | 23:30 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: indeed :) | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that meegobot schizo issue | 23:30 |
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| dm8tbr | yay, got the right one | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:31 |
| dm8tbr | rebooted that box lately, probably made a mistake while starting it or so | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, are you by chance helping to test the n900-ce ? | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that been a question or a request? | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, both | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, early next week I think we might be able to get maemo contacts imported on first boot | 23:44 |
| lcuk | so that when you are testing meego it is not blank, it opens more discussion for importing data and apps | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | might give the whole process a try | 23:45 |
| maligor | just maemo exports? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting with "where to start" | 23:46 |
| lcuk | maligor, well what other contacts would you have already on your n900? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems channel topic doesn't provide a proper pointer to any startpoint | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/N900DE | 23:47 |
| lcuk | download latest image from: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/ | 23:48 |
| maligor | lcuk, I guess sim cards would be a very generic point of importing contact data from :) | 23:48 |
| lcuk | dd it onto microsd | 23:48 |
| maligor | even if the data format it has is rather silly these days | 23:48 |
| lcuk | maligor, the contact cards on maemo itself are exported in vcard format | 23:48 |
| lcuk | so it is quite standard, this is just an easy step to filling some data | 23:49 |
| lcuk | and at least opens up discussion windows for a more complete import | 23:49 |
| maligor | ofcourse, always have to start from somewhere | 23:49 |
| * lcuk nods | 23:50 | |
| lcuk | and this is quite a nice one :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | KISS approach too, just a check if the contacts were exported and bring them in :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, dd the image to microsd, then flasher3.0 the kernel and boot | 23:51 |
| lcuk | battery lasts on par with maemo so far | 23:51 |
| lcuk | if not better because there are no desktop widgets yet! | 23:52 |
| lcuk | anyway, movie time | 23:52 |
| lcuk | nn | 23:52 |
| maligor | lcuk, yeah, I'm a big fan of KISS, even if sometimes contradicts with the inner elitist in me | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: flash kernel? o.O | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you mean "get uBoot?" | 23:57 |
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| maligor | lcuk, I've only ever just dd'ed the image to the sdcard | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not going to flash any proprietary kernel that's not supposed to be incompatible with maemo) | 23:58 |
| maligor | lcuk, but I suspect the n900's I've used were prepared for booting off sd | 23:58 |
| w00t | yes, uboot means flasher isn't necessary | 23:58 |
| w00t | DocScrutinizer: proprietary? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ inco/ co/ | 23:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: (not going to flash any proprietary kernel that's not supposed to be compatible with maemo) | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t: NFC what's that "flash kernel" meant to do - well maybe I actually got a clue, just want to make sure. | 23:59 |
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