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| alterego | "The overall quality of the keynote session was good" | 00:26 |
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| alterego | I imagine the results of that question will cause a point singularity :P | 00:26 |
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| DawnFoster | alterego: definitely not one of the high points :) | 00:30 |
| alterego | Anyway, filled it in :) | 00:30 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: (5) Strognly agree (4) Agree (3) Neutral (2) Disagree (1) Strognly disagree (0) Hey, watch your language! | 00:32 |
| alterego | :) | 00:33 |
| alterego | To be honest, I just found the keynote boring | 00:33 |
| alterego | The only part of it that was interesting was w00t's 5 minutes. | 00:33 |
| berndhs | there is no choice (x) I have no recollection ? | 00:34 |
| vgrade | DawnFoster hi, do you have many applications for the device programme | 00:34 |
| alterego | I don't know if it was "crap" or whatever, all I can say is, I didn't think it was interesting. | 00:34 |
| alterego | So I spent most of my time talking on IRC :) | 00:34 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I agree. I thought it was pretty interesting when I first saw a video of Zemlin giving the same thing at another conference... | 00:34 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: ...and about a year or two ago. | 00:34 |
| alterego | He was the wrong guy to talk | 00:35 |
| alterego | imo | 00:35 |
| alterego | We need someone who's actually got a genuine interest in the MeeGo project, someone who is actually passionate about it. | 00:35 |
| alterego | Not a token Linux Foundation guy .. | 00:35 |
| alterego | I'm just presuming here, that he isn't that interested in MeeGo, because he didn't seem that genuine to me on stage ;) | 00:36 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: On the one hand, I think he was just "off" that day --- on the other hand, I honestly don't think Jim's heart is into MeeGo. | 00:36 |
| alterego | Yeah | 00:36 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I've picked up on that in other interviews, too. | 00:36 |
| alterego | But I'm sure he goes to lots of these things, for lots of different projects. | 00:37 |
| alterego | So he probably has the same indifference for all of them ;) | 00:37 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: No, he doesn't have the same indifference. But, he's human. | 00:40 |
| berndhs | alterego: gabrbedd: after travelling all the way to SF, how many are really awake and paying attention that early on the first day ? | 00:40 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: all of us, at one time or another, have to tote a party line that they disagree with at some time. | 00:40 |
| gabrbedd | s/at some time// | 00:40 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: alterego: all of us, at one time or another, have to tote a party line that they disagree with . | 00:40 |
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| DawnFoster | vgrade: just a handful of apps so far, but we haven't done the blog post or any promotion outside of mentioning it in the conference session | 00:41 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Lots. Every 15-25 seconds you'd hear someone's phone go "moo" as it was vibrating with some tweet that they got. | 00:41 |
| berndhs | that just says their phone is on, not taht they pay attention to the talk | 00:43 |
| DawnFoster | also, Jim is still recovering from his ski accident and he was in a lot of pain | 00:43 |
| DawnFoster | he had his foot propped up backstage until we had him onstage | 00:43 |
| DawnFoster | but I personally agree that the content was too generic in his piece (too much LF not enough MeeGo) - my opinion | 00:44 |
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| alterego | No announcements. | 00:46 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: everyone i know was paying close attention, and hoping for handset device announcements. | 00:46 |
| alterego | All old news, | 00:46 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: So, yeah, they were paying attention. :-) | 00:46 |
| berndhs | i see, he just didnt say what they wanted to hear :) | 00:47 |
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| newbie007 | anyone know the latest on the NookColor ? (I've been following http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3037&page=4) | 00:57 |
| lbt_hel | mmm DawnFoster ... email<>forums ... :D | 00:59 |
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| vgrade | DawnFoster, keeping it a secret suits me :) | 01:03 |
| lbt_hel | oh, and DawnFoster, I was asked to write up the IT meeting tonght but Niels and Adam were away and I got caught up in a never ending meeting so there was no IT meeting | 01:04 |
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| lbt_hel | but I would like to propose some kind of #meego-infra irc room where we can plan and work on bugzilla, web apps, OBS, and any other infra 'development' | 01:05 |
| lbt_hel | anyhow... bed now... | 01:06 |
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| berndhs | how does one restart connman when it has crashed ? | 01:20 |
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| andyross | connman is spawned from /etc/rc.sysinit (no, I don't know why either) you can find the command there. though by this time next week it'll probably be systemdefied and I'll be asking the same question. | 01:23 |
| berndhs | ah | 01:23 |
| berndhs | i thought it might have been systemd-d already | 01:24 |
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| mikhas | so, will Jaffa join the TSG now or what? | 01:54 |
| mikhas | that was the only interesting question during that keynote =p | 01:54 |
| mikhas | it might just work to have a community guy there | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: ...except that Jaffa is a werewolf. | 01:56 |
| andre__ | somebody has to propose him, I'd say. | 01:56 |
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| mikhas | ok, I propose Jaffa for TSG | 01:58 |
| mikhas | done | 01:58 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, not all werewolves are bad. in fact, the stupid villagers deserved no better than what they got | 01:59 |
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| mikhas | so what do I when architects dont answer my very concrete questions? | 02:07 |
| berndhs | mikhas: file a bug ? | 02:07 |
| mikhas | lol | 02:07 |
| mikhas | MeeGo is still too much of a behind-closed-doors project | 02:08 |
| mikhas | it's sickening | 02:08 |
| mikhas | I was thinking that everyone with a certain responsibility in MeeGo should have to write up a (bi-) weekly report and send it to a public ML | 02:09 |
| mikhas | this would go a long way wrt transparency and accountability | 02:10 |
| ali1234 | i don't know about others, but i for one cba reading all that | 02:10 |
| mikhas | if someone doesn't send in reports it also signals inactivity/problems in that area | 02:10 |
| berndhs | so why would I get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtOpenGL" in build.pub.meego.com, but not when doing rpmbuild locally ? | 02:10 |
| berndhs | i dont understand it | 02:10 |
| auke | libtool | 02:10 |
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| * gabrbedd accuses mikhas of being a werewolf | 02:19 | |
| mikhas | my defense? I didn't play werewolf =p | 02:22 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 02:22 |
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| npm | berndhs: sudo killall -KILL connmand ; sudo connmand | 03:15 |
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| mikhas | sigh, kernel oops with BTRFS - who decided it was stable enough for MeeGo? | 03:36 |
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| GAN900 | Ice breaking games shouldn't be played all night every night! | 05:39 |
| sofar | mikhas: what exactly were you doing? did you manage to capture anything? | 05:39 |
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| Jay_BEE | hi. | 06:06 |
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| Jay_BEE | what's the latest known working pinetrail image? booting meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.3.20110607.2.img on the exopc slate does nothing | 06:26 |
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| * Jay_BEE attempts again to write the image to the usb stick paying closer attention to the instructions | 06:31 | |
| Jay_BEE | ah...success! | 06:32 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:34 |
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| Jay_BEE | morning... | 06:41 |
| Jay_BEE | bah... error after accepting to write the changes to the disk | 06:41 |
| iekku | uh huh | 06:44 |
| Jay_BEE | bleh... error title is 'storage activation failed' details is "'nonetype' object has no attribute number" | 06:44 |
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| Jay_BEE | ok... got it | 07:02 |
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| Jay_BEE | hmm.. progress bar is at the end during the 'copying live image to hard drive.' yet it is still not complete.... | 07:14 |
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| gabrbedd | sofar: ping | 07:20 |
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| sofar | gabrbedd: ? | 07:24 |
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| gabrbedd | sofar: Out of curiousity... I started digging into the accelerometer on the ideapad... | 07:24 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: and it uses the HDAPS driver in the kernel. | 07:25 |
| sofar | didn't know it had one :) | 07:25 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: Do you know if it's disabled for a Good Reason in the MeeGo kernel? | 07:25 |
| sofar | probably unintentional | 07:25 |
| sofar | I would submit a bugzilla against 1.3 for that | 07:26 |
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| sofar | pinetrail kernel | 07:26 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: ok. I'll probably try it out first... see if it catches fire or anything. | 07:26 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: thanks! | 07:26 |
| Jay_BEE | hmm.. this isn't good...still in 'copying live image...' phase | 07:27 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: BTW, the accelerometer is tied to the hard drive... part of that feature that shuts down hard drives if you drop them. | 07:27 |
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| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: You're right... it's not good. Are you still in a graphical screen? | 07:27 |
| gabrbedd | Or at a terminal? | 07:28 |
| Jay_BEE | graphical | 07:28 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: If you hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 do you see scary messages? | 07:28 |
| Jay_BEE | trying it... | 07:28 |
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| Jay_BEE | a bunch of stuff that displayed prior to beginning the graphical installer followed by . "XX:XX:XX Starting graphical installation..." and 'btrfs' on the next line | 07:30 |
| Jay_BEE | nothing scary looking | 07:31 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: What kind of partitioning scheme did you do? | 07:32 |
| Jay_BEE | win 7 was already installed, I told meego installer to remove the existing swap drive and it created an extended partition with /boot, /swap and free space | 07:33 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: How big was /boot and /swap and / ? | 07:34 |
| Jay_BEE | unfortunately i did not take note of that | 07:34 |
| Jay_BEE | if memory serves me I believe /boot was 250mb | 07:35 |
| Jay_BEE | swap was 1.7gb and / should have been around 28gb | 07:35 |
| Jay_BEE | how do i get back to the graphical screen after pressing ctrl+alt+f1 | 07:36 |
| gabrbedd | Ctrl+Alt+F2 | 07:36 |
| gabrbedd | or F3 or F4... if that fails. | 07:37 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 07:37 |
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| Jay_BEE | heh... | 07:37 |
| gabrbedd | If you can hit the back button to look at the partition layout... that would be super. | 07:37 |
| gabrbedd | Otherwise... just hit the power button. | 07:37 |
| Jay_BEE | oh...ctrl+alt+f3 has a bunch of interesting messages.... | 07:37 |
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| gabrbedd | It either worked or it didn't... and not much can be done at this point without a reboot. | 07:38 |
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| Jay_BEE | hmm ctrl+alt+f6 has something... 'tune2fs: bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda6' 'couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.' | 07:40 |
| Jay_BEE | ctrl+alt+f7 got me back to the graphical installer | 07:41 |
| Jay_BEE | unfortunately the back button is unselectable | 07:41 |
| Jay_BEE | rebooting.... | 07:42 |
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| Jay_BEE | trying stuff... | 07:48 |
| Jay_BEE | hmm... noticed a different message during 'copying live image..' phase... something about 'finishing up post something..' | 07:49 |
| gabrbedd | Did you try to boot the new system? | 07:49 |
| timoph | morning | 07:49 |
| Jay_BEE | no, i restarted the installation | 07:49 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: Did you tell it to reformat your new partitions? | 07:50 |
| Jay_BEE | yes | 07:50 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: good morning | 07:50 |
| Jay_BEE | timoph: morning | 07:51 |
| timoph | gabrbedd: o/ | 07:51 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: did the install hang again? | 07:52 |
| Jay_BEE | yes :( | 07:52 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: But the progress bar got all the way to the end? | 07:52 |
| Jay_BEE | gabrbedd: yes | 07:53 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: kill power and try to boot to the new system. Maybe it worked. | 07:53 |
| Jay_BEE | okies | 07:53 |
| gabrbedd | Jay_BEE: There's a known hang where it doesn't power-off. Maybe this is somehow related. | 07:54 |
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| Jay_BEE | it did power down.... turning it on... | 07:54 |
| Jay_BEE | hah... booted into windows | 07:55 |
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| gabrbedd | The clock is about to strike midnight... and I'll turn back into a pumpkin... | 07:56 |
| gabrbedd | So, good night all! | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | nite | 07:56 |
| Jay_BEE | good nite and thx for the help gabrbedd | 07:56 |
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| iekku | gabrbedd, good night :) | 07:58 |
| iekku | oh, wlan is working on the train, maybe i'm able to do some work | 07:58 |
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| Jay_BEE | guess i'll go back to an earlier image | 08:03 |
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| Jay_BEE | gah... still no luck... searching bugzilla | 09:22 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:46 |
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| Jay_BEE | ah known issue... https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18655 | 10:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 18655 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, NEW, [REG]Fail to install meego 1.2.0.90 image | 10:53 |
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| Jay_BEE | ok finally up and running dual-boot win7/meego on this exopc w00t | 11:31 |
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| alterego | Hah | 11:34 |
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| Jay_BEE | had to go back to the 1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1 image | 11:35 |
| mikhas_ | meego-ux-daemon kept crashing, had to remove /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sensors/libqtsensors_meego.so | 11:35 |
| mikhas_ | (running tablet UX on bleeding edge) | 11:35 |
| mikhas_ | anyone else seeing the same? | 11:35 |
| Jay_BEE | mikhas_: running it on what? | 11:35 |
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| Jay_BEE | or let me ask what is 'bleeding edge'? | 11:36 |
| andre__ | the term "bleeding edge" stands for the latest, greatest, and unstable version that may eat all your data and burn your computer | 11:37 |
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| Jay_BEE | yes, that I do know, perhaps the phrasing is throwing me off | 11:37 |
| mikhas_ | non-native speaker here, so perhaps that explains? | 11:38 |
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| andre__ | ah, k | 11:38 |
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| Jay_BEE | nothing crashing so far but then i'm not running the latest n greatest, it won't install for me because of the bug posted earlier in the channel | 11:41 |
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| oudeis | hi. i am trying to run meego 1.2 under virtualbox. found these instructions: http://fureidofort.blogspot.com/2011/06/meego-12-on-virtualbox-and-vmware.html. i have successfully installe the image -- now how do i boot into run level 3 when presented with the meego startup menu? | 11:44 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:49 |
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| summel | i guess the meego handset/phone project is dead? :o | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | summel, what gives you that idea? | 12:53 |
| summel | there is no realse for the n900 of 1.2 | 12:53 |
| summel | it is still only 1.1 | 12:53 |
| summel | :S | 12:53 |
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| RST38h | Yea, the 1.2 handset release does appear to have slipped by 2 months now | 12:55 |
| toninikkanen | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 12:56 |
| summel | *sigh* no wonder nokia is dead | 12:56 |
| summel | all those promises they made for the n900 :/ | 12:56 |
| summel | :O | 12:56 |
| summel | ty toninikkanen | 12:56 |
| summel | do i still need an external memory card for isntallation? :o | 12:56 |
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| lardman | I thought the N900DE was a 1.2 release? | 12:57 |
| toninikkanen | what, by the way, do you think Nokia promised for the n900 ? | 12:57 |
| summel | meego | 12:57 |
| summel | and it is still not here. after all this time :S | 12:58 |
| toninikkanen | did they promise it as a end-user ready upgrade? | 12:58 |
| summel | and i thought they said something about running android apps on maemo, but i could be wrong on that | 12:58 |
| toninikkanen | if they did, url please | 12:58 |
| summel | toninikkanen: iirc yes. the n900 was _the_ reference phone for meego | 12:58 |
| toninikkanen | because this assumption keeps on popping up here and there but I can't find where that promise was made | 12:59 |
| summel | i cant remember :o it was quite a while ago | 12:59 |
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| summel | and it is sad that there are no software updates anymore with all these bugs unfixed -_- | 13:00 |
| Tumi_ | sure it was an official statement, not a developer blog or similar? | 13:00 |
| lardman | summel: There is the CSSU | 13:00 |
| summel | Tumi_: they even had the n900 pictured on the meego front page :o | 13:00 |
| Ans5i | that wouldn't look too bad either. http://www.mobiiliblogi.com/2010/09/09/talta-nayttaa-yhteison-suunnittelema-unelmien-nokia-puhelin/ | 13:00 |
| summel | lardman: thats not the same :/ | 13:00 |
| summel | the n9 looks nice but i wont buy nokia stuff anymore :/ | 13:00 |
| Tumi_ | yep, sure, it was a reference device for meego | 13:00 |
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| lardman | summel: There is an EOL on most product support | 13:00 |
| summel | but not like this :o | 13:01 |
| Tumi_ | wondering about the android apps running on fremantle | 13:01 |
| toninikkanen | reference and reference, what does that have to do with end-user ready product promises? | 13:01 |
| lardman | I share your frustration at the speed of the N900 Meego development, but I imagine there are reasons behind this that I'm not privy to | 13:01 |
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| toninikkanen | i only ever heard it was a reference platform for developers, correct me if I am wrong | 13:01 |
| summel | lardman: what is meego de? :o | 13:01 |
| Tumi_ | toninikkanen: exactly right | 13:01 |
| Ans5i | *sorry about link (language), pasted on wrong channel. | 13:01 |
| lardman | summel: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 13:02 |
| lardman | Developer Edition | 13:02 |
| summel | toninikkanen: well then meego development is really, really slow :O | 13:02 |
| lardman | was prepared just before the SF conference | 13:02 |
| summel | lardman: ah :O | 13:02 |
| summel | ty | 13:02 |
| toninikkanen | as a developer reference platform it's been available for ages so i don't see how one could a) be disappointed or b) say development is slow | 13:03 |
| lardman | toninikkanen: depends what you want to develop though of course | 13:03 |
| toninikkanen | as long as nobody pulls out a "Nokia promise to provide MeeGo as an end-user upgrade to the N900" | 13:03 |
| lcuk | summel, the N900 is a reference device and it is getting updates and improvements each day. | 13:03 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/ | 13:03 |
| lcuk | even with daily updates | 13:03 |
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| lcuk | for the first time yesterday, my n900 was able to actually connect to my complex at home wifi | 13:04 |
| lcuk | :) | 13:04 |
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| * lardman always knew lcuk had a complex rather than a mere house ;) | 13:04 | |
| lcuk | bug 14483 | 13:04 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 maj, Medium, ---, makoto.sugano, VERI FIXED, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | lardman, it needs static ips and dns and stuff setting | 13:04 |
| lardman | lcuk: ouch | 13:05 |
| lcuk | the default ones just connect to the router | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | lardman, historical reasons :P | 13:06 |
| summel | lcuk: are the dailys somewhat stable? | 13:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: no worries :) | 13:06 |
| lcuk | summel, stable enough to consider how to handle data creation on the devices | 13:06 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement | 13:07 |
| lcuk | give it a try and file bugs and try to fix issues and see for yourself | 13:07 |
| lcuk | bowling game is fun | 13:08 |
| summel | lcuk: i meant more like stable enough that it boots and i can use it for more than 10 minutes without it crashing :D | 13:08 |
| summel | i hope it is not as slow as the 1.1 version was :O | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | summel, battery life is good, apps are working - enough to do comparison and noticing gpe mini browser was faster (but more rough) than the proper mozilla browser | 13:09 |
| summel | the animations in 1.1 were way too slow (no hardware acc?) it was nearly unuseable :O | 13:09 |
| lcuk | which animations? | 13:10 |
| lcuk | tom and jerry? | 13:10 |
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| summel | opening the menu took ±10 seconds and such things | 13:10 |
| lcuk | responsiveness has been faster in certain dailies, but it is not slow like that | 13:11 |
| lcuk | hold on, just booting it | 13:11 |
| summel | \o/ | 13:11 |
| summel | there are 5 folders in the images folder :o which ones do i need? :S | 13:11 |
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| summel | there is no description :/ | 13:11 |
| lcuk | handset acceptance is what I have a pile of images for | 13:12 |
| lcuk | I never worked out a human readable difference between acceptance and sanity | 13:13 |
| lcuk | (is there even a difference!?) | 13:13 |
| lcuk | and the tablet builds are running the meego tablet ux for testing | 13:13 |
| Tumi_ | is the amount of memory on n900 still an issue with the MeeGo DE? | 13:13 |
| lcuk | ok so I have the san fran background image | 13:13 |
| summel | i thought it would be acceptance or sanity but i dont know whats the difference :o | 13:13 |
| summel | also i cant find the correct flasher tool :/ | 13:14 |
| lcuk | summel, I have asked many times | 13:14 |
| summel | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php seems to be for older devices only | 13:14 |
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| summel | 770 or IT 2006 SE(??) | 13:14 |
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| summel | uhhh it is PPC only | 13:14 |
| summel | thats like 10 years ago :S | 13:14 |
| lcuk | those are the flashed binaries? | 13:15 |
| toninikkanen | ppc, what? | 13:15 |
| summel | toninikkanen: im looking for the flasher binary for mac os (intel) :S | 13:15 |
| summel | the only mac os binarys on that page are for PPC | 13:15 |
| summel | and none of the binaries are for the n900 it seems >_< | 13:15 |
| toninikkanen | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg | 13:16 |
| lcuk | summel, FYI, tapping the menu button fades the screen to the icons grid | 13:16 |
| toninikkanen | is for x86 mac, was on that page | 13:16 |
| lcuk | 0 lag | 13:16 |
| summel | ty toninikkanen | 13:16 |
| lcuk | by the time my finger has moved it does it | 13:17 |
| summel | :O | 13:17 |
| summel | then the wrong page was linked in the wiki | 13:17 |
| toninikkanen | and was referenced from here, which i found googlin "meego n900 flasher" (first hit) http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 13:17 |
| toninikkanen | I'd say this was easy enough | 13:17 |
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| summel | i got linked to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ and then clicked on Linux, Mac OS X flashers oO | 13:17 |
| mikhas | which dev package provides QOrientationSensor? | 13:18 |
| mikhas | can only be qt-mobility-devel | 13:19 |
| phako | libqtm-sensors? | 13:19 |
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| toninikkanen | summel: from where did you find that link? | 13:20 |
| summel | toninikkanen: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC | 13:21 |
| summel | Get Nokia N900 flasher binary (flasher-3.5) from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com and put it somewhere in your $PATH | 13:21 |
| summel | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ > Miscellaneous > Linux, Mac OS X flashers | 13:21 |
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| toninikkanen | ahh.. the correct link is on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC but not on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC | 13:26 |
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| summel | :S forgot the usb cable at home :( | 13:29 |
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| smoku | Tumi_: google "alien dalvik" | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | James :: Sometimes :) | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | iekku, which pinetrail image do you need testing for the bug 14483 against | 14:08 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 maj, Medium, ---, makoto.sugano, VERI FIXED, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved | 14:08 |
| lcuk | I just went into the daily testing folder and latest handset ia32 is not recent | 14:09 |
| lcuk | so a specific download link to where you think would be helpful | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | timoph, I somehow missed you quoted the most awesome quote of all in your sf presentation | 14:11 |
| lcuk | merlin1991 just highlighted it to me | 14:11 |
| lcuk | slide 16 of http://sf2011.meego.com/sites/all/files/slides/meego_community_dashboard.pdf | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | thanks merlin1991 :) | 14:14 |
| * lcuk carries on expanding upon http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement | 14:15 | |
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| lcuk | oo before I do, I took these screenshots last night | 14:16 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110608_231640.tagcloud_system.scr.png | 14:16 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110608_234327.mytags.scr.png | 14:16 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> that is the tag cloud then the tags marked "smile" | 14:16 |
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| merlin1991 | lcuk: for the accessing partitions part you might find http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3511 interesting (mounting of the maemo rootfs ubifs) | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | thanks merlin1991 | 14:21 |
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| mikhas | stats lie | 14:21 |
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| mikhas | lcuk, p18 of that presentation is horribly inaccurate | 14:22 |
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| iekku | lcuk, if that's the one i commented to you, then yes | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | iekku, hm | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | since I have been trying this on daily they were not saving (I am sure I try every day) | 14:23 |
| iekku | lcuk, de verification isn't enough if the bug is also found on "official meego side" | 14:23 |
| lcuk | hm will see anyway it is nearly downloaded | 14:23 |
| lcuk | I know, but the image is old I noticed | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | that was why I asked, give me a specific download link to the image it needs testing against | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | heh | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | the Museum of science and industry have a panel of archivists today | 14:35 |
| lcuk | I just asked them how they handled cataloguing digital documents | 14:35 |
| * lcuk should ask if they store documents on MeeGo | 14:35 | |
| kuzak | dump them to a folder and run tracker? :) | 14:36 |
| lcuk | kuzak, that is not proper archiving and safe storage really | 14:36 |
| lcuk | what happens when you have 10 hard drives and your computer has only 1 drive slot | 14:36 |
| lcuk | can tracker tell me to insert disk 7 | 14:36 |
| lcuk | or try with tape backup | 14:37 |
| lcuk | "please insert reel 27 | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | btw hi kuzak \o | 14:40 |
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| MooseTheBrown | Hi! Does anyone know where I can get the sources of udev, which is used in MeeGo? I found only udev-rules repo in gitorious, which contains a small portion of additional udev rules, but could not find udev itself there. | 14:50 |
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| MooseTheBrown | Or does MeeGo use the original unmodified udev from kernel.org? | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | MooseTheBrown, hmm IDK is the answer, which git url are you reading from | 14:58 |
| lcuk | then track back and check the version number integrated into image | 14:59 |
| leinir | MooseTheBrown: MeeGo policy is that all development happens upstream - if something is included that isn't upstream it's because patches sometimes take a while to filter through :) | 14:59 |
| lcuk | \o leinir | 15:01 |
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| leinir | yo lcuk :) | 15:02 |
| kuzak | lcuk, hi :) | 15:02 |
| MooseTheBrown | OK, I'll clone the upstream repo then and hope it will work. Thanks! | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | lardman, I see a new mbarcode on maemo | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | I wonder whether osso-backup could operate on meego | 15:08 |
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| CosmoHill | for £360 I can have my website advertised in the independant | 15:17 |
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| CosmoHill | no idea why I'd want to do that or why I even got an email about it | 15:18 |
| chem|st | CosmoHill: spam! | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | kinda impressive tho, only ever had two spam emails on that account | 15:22 |
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| * CosmoHill blinks | 16:04 | |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo considers nano a developer's tool? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | where? | 16:07 |
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| CosmoHill | I installed meego-developer-tools pattern and nano was one of the tools in stalled | 16:07 |
| amjad_ | ?? | 16:07 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: how do you do development without a text editor ? | 16:10 |
| CosmoHill | I'd of expected emacs and / or vim | 16:11 |
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| berndhs | I think they also have gedit by default | 16:11 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess nano was included because some people still couldn't change themselves from that windows realm where all the bits of command were shown below on the screen *snickers* | 16:12 |
| psycho_oreos | well not that redmond UI had it | 16:13 |
| berndhs | well, they perhaps want to accomodate the uninitiated | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | wtf | 16:19 |
| CosmoHill | Online price: £55, in-store price: £30 | 16:19 |
| Tm_T | online taxes | 16:19 |
| lcuk | every step we take draws us closer to a usable MeeGo handset. | 16:21 |
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| x_O | hi Im looking for image which is presented in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrtMdyOHak exactly this one. Someone could help me with this? | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | you mean the MeeGo Tablet? | 16:24 |
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| x_O | CosmoHill, yes | 16:26 |
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| lcuk | Contacts Data transfer #Maemo to #MeeGo one step closer, we can see the contacts on #MeeGo now :) looking at how to import them. #progress http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/78813488742531072 | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement#Accessing_the_Maemo_eMMC_MyDocs_partition_for_importing_contacts | 16:37 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sif_cmdr/5813208661/sizes/o/in/photostream/ | 16:43 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, | 16:43 |
| lcuk | that is a massive laptop | 16:43 |
| lcuk | no wonder it only gets 3 hours battery | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | look at the processore | 16:43 |
| lcuk | the lenovo ideapad lasts (in tracys words) ages | 16:43 |
| lcuk | or forever | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | so it is a leg warmer too | 16:44 |
| lcuk | energy star conpliance: Will roast your nuts in 2 hours | 16:44 |
| berndhs | well, people are getting wider, only reasonable to sell bigger laptops | 16:44 |
| CosmoHill | so neither of you have noticed that it says Intel instead of AMD? | 16:44 |
| lcuk | nope | 16:45 |
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| berndhs | so you're saying intel bought amd ? | 16:46 |
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| * CosmoHill sighs and goes to get a snack | 16:47 | |
| ShadowJK | I've seen laptops claiming "built-in UPS" | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | I guess that's a hint about batterylife | 16:49 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, would hermes import contacts if it was run on meego tablet or handset | 16:54 |
| lcuk | or is it tied specifically to maemo | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | Not until the Qt Mobility rewrite is written, no. | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | It uses libosso-abook, EDS & Gtk+ | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, and python | 16:58 |
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| thp | lcuk: python shouldn't be the problem! (hehe..) | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | thp haha yeah | 17:02 |
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| alterego | MeeGoExperts: ping | 17:22 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Hi Alterego :-) | 17:28 |
| MeeGoExperts | Just got in ... | 17:28 |
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| jeremiah | With whom do I speak to get my MeeGo OBS password fixed? It stopped working. | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | jeremiah: X-Fade or lbt_away | 17:36 |
| jeremiah | CosmoHill: Thanks! | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: build.meego.com? file a bug / mail tracy | 17:37 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Ah, okay. | 17:37 |
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| jeremiah | I should have specified I meant build.meego.com, not the community OBS. :) | 17:37 |
| CosmoHill | ah sorry I assumed you were talking about the community one | 17:37 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Tracy Graydon right? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:37 |
| jeremiah | thanks! | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | bah Tracy Graydon caused me to have to change gmail settings | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | I had a filter to send anything from my Tracy into a lovely folder and give it a tag | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | it worked really well for years until meego dev mails started being starred and stuff :D | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | time to get your wife a unique identifier | 17:50 |
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| alterego | Does he have that many he needs to guid tag them? | 17:50 |
| w00t | you never know.. | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, yes | 17:53 |
| lcuk | altered now | 17:53 |
| lcuk | just amusing when it happened | 17:53 |
| * Jaffa just uses Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, ... | 17:53 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa, strangely enough, your wife said the same to me | 17:53 |
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| alterego | Well, sensors .. | 17:58 |
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| alterego | I'm thinking I could use one to stick a switch on all windows and doors in my house. | 17:59 |
| alterego | I could use the led controls for relays too. | 17:59 |
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| alterego | This is part of my MeeGo based N900 home automation controller project ::) | 18:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | AsUmm - a bit silly. | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | There are much better ways - 1-wire bus for example. | 18:08 |
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| alterego | Well, I could use a USB keyboard :P | 18:13 |
| alterego | Bluetooth just means it's cheap and easily mobile. | 18:13 |
| alterego | I'm just brain storming ideas, my first point of call is setting it up to control all my multimedia equipment via the IR port. | 18:13 |
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| alterego | Which will probably involve me wiring up a better IR emitter. | 18:15 |
| RST38h | OMG, Stskeeps, you have broken the oath of silence and started answering to abill_uk's posts? | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Isn't it ...mm...a grave mistake? | 18:16 |
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| * ShadowJK still wonders if the ir emitter just needs a bit tweaking of modulation frequency | 18:18 | |
| ShadowJK | isn't it kinda big | 18:18 |
| lcuk | RST38h, link | 18:18 |
| alterego | Oh god | 18:19 |
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| lardman | lcuk: sorry for the slow response, was a long long meeting | 18:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: re mBarcode, yeah I've had some time so have fixed some new functionality bugs | 18:56 |
| * SpeedEvil saw an update. | 18:57 | |
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| SpeedEvil | A whole 3K to download? | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I tweaked freq to no success | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: IR needs stronger driving, I.E. lower the series R | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: using a BT kbd isn't really an advantage in modility, when you're wiring it up to a multicore cable with at least 2 wires per window :-P | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are definitely better solutions that also are way cheaper than running a fat muticore cable all around your home | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are affordable battery powered 433MHz RF linked switches | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | using USB hostmode makes for a nice interface to peripherals on N900 | 19:05 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: binary patches could be smaller ;) | 19:06 |
| thiago_home | dneary: ping | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: IR_LED is powered by VBAT_LEDS... think of it and the implications | 19:07 |
| dneary | thiago_home, pong | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's like [3.6 .. 4.2V] -> V1360_IRLED -> 55R_series -> C-E_transistor ->GND | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 55R seems *huge* | 19:09 |
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| thiago_home | dneary: no need, you've joined | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's a current of ([3.6 .. 4.2]V - V(fwd)_LED - U(C-E)SAT_V1361NPN ) / 55R | 19:14 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: like, door bells? :P | 19:15 |
| alterego | I suppose I could get a few cordless door bells. | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: those are specifically built-to-purpose window sensing switches | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reed-contact + magnet | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a convenient small case to stick to the window | 19:17 |
| alterego | Oh right, well this is just me playing with what I've got. | 19:18 |
| alterego | I.E. Not spending any money ;) | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah right, you got 80m of 16pol control cable in your attik | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | which btw is like $.44 / meter | 19:20 |
| alterego | 80m, how big do you think my little flat is :P | 19:20 |
| alterego | Also, I've got about 100m of Cat5 I can use :P | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 19:21 |
| alterego | Which is, actually in my attik :P | 19:21 |
| alterego | Anyway, I was exaggerating when I said _all_ windows and doors. | 19:21 |
| alterego | I'm just playing with some ideas. | 19:22 |
| alterego | The important thing here is the UX | 19:22 |
| alterego | And the application code. | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I was just mentioning alternatives to help you make a more educated decision based on knowledge about available bits | 19:22 |
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| alterego | Which is appreciated :P | 19:23 |
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| alterego | But I'd rather work with the junk I have :) | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, everybody does :-) | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for your kbd revamp idea, keep in mind the controller isn't built to handle long cables with all the capacitive load and EMI they introduce, nit to mention ESD | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except for that, it's a nice idea and has an attractive BOM/benefit ratio | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | alterego, for shits n giggles, use bluetooth mice or bluetooth keyboards left around | 19:35 |
| lcuk | they all have multiple sensors and the computer is able to read them | 19:35 |
| alterego | lcuk: I thought that, that was my idea? | 19:36 |
| * lcuk once built a double pendulum and used mouse sensor thingy to detect/import data about its position | 19:36 | |
| lcuk | nahhh that was years ago when I did this | 19:36 |
| lcuk | before maemo | 19:36 |
| lcuk | B.M | 19:36 |
| alterego | I'm talking about using BT keyboard for sensors :P | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | idk | 19:37 |
| alterego | Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about :) | 19:38 |
| alterego | I found a load of cheap keyboards (bluetooth) | 19:38 |
| alterego | And thought of using them in my N900 as home automation controller thingy. | 19:38 |
| alterego | I need to figure out how to wire up a thermometer now. | 19:38 |
| alterego | (cheaply) | 19:39 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, alterego needs ur software | 19:39 |
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| alterego | I already have a wireless central heating control system. | 19:39 |
| alterego | Well, that's actually a wireless door bell. But still. | 19:39 |
| alterego | lcuk: yeah, I spoke to him about it a while ago :) | 19:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd go BT->serial adaptor -> arduino or similar board. | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (I am not a fan of arduino, but for this sort of stuf, it's quite adequate. | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1642987 | 19:50 |
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| alterego | I have a Bluetooth serial adapter actually :) | 19:52 |
| alterego | I bought it whilst at my previous job to impress my boss, well, his boss' boss | 19:52 |
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| alterego | I wrote a camera control system in Qt/C++ which used the bluetooth RS232 dongle and an RS485 adapter to control some of our cameras PTZ functions. | 19:53 |
| alterego | And the video was streamed over wireless to the N900 | 19:53 |
| alterego | Was quite cool :) | 19:53 |
| w00t | special would probably love to talk to you | 19:54 |
| alterego | It was mainly for testing camera protocols actually. | 19:54 |
| * w00t runs away | 19:54 | |
| alterego | But it was fun. | 19:54 |
| alterego | Who's special? | 19:54 |
| alterego | I'm retired from the security industry :P | 19:54 |
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| w00t | he's the poor overworked surveillance software geek I was with for the better part of the conference, helped me by doing most of the UI work for my demo etc | 19:55 |
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| alterego | Oh, yeah, I used to work for Tyco developing software to control and manage security systems and CCTV equipment. | 19:57 |
| alterego | Didn't realise there was another in the community. | 19:57 |
| alterego | I keep thinking of developing a MeeGo based CCTV system. | 19:58 |
| alterego | Well, I've had this idea for a new kind of system for a while, not strictly CCTV, quite a lot of other things as well. | 19:58 |
| alterego | But I only started prototyping it in my free time whilst I was at Tyco, then they gave me the boot. So, I kind of felt a bit bitter towards the industry. | 19:58 |
| RST38h | alterego: weapons? | 19:59 |
| alterego | No, no weapons :P | 19:59 |
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| special | alterego: that's basically what I do, yeah. | 20:08 |
| w00t | minus the bluetooth | 20:09 |
| w00t | though I am tempted to pose as a customer and submit a feature request, just to make your life hell | 20:09 |
| special | wouldn't matter that much | 20:10 |
| special | I use the same adapter, just in USB instead of bluetooth :p | 20:10 |
| special | and in theory it shouldn't be that different to use from software. | 20:10 |
| special | also, my life is already hell | 20:10 |
| lcuk | do we have any comparative specs of the major meego devices, cpu,memory,capabilities etc | 20:12 |
| lcuk | I was just watching some UX video that was on a wetab and it was chippy and jerky | 20:12 |
| lcuk | and the UX should be uber powerful | 20:12 |
| lcuk | *choppy | 20:12 |
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| pixelgeek | lcuk: It depends so much on the hardware and video type | 20:14 |
| npm | lcuk: there's a way of enabling the crystalhd to aid video decoding | 20:14 |
| npm | or maybe i | 20:14 |
| pixelgeek | There's no HW video acceleration on pinetrail | 20:14 |
| npm | confuse wetab w/ exopc | 20:14 |
| pixelgeek | wetab=exopc hardware. | 20:15 |
| lcuk | sigh | 20:15 |
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| npm | see some of the links i gave at end of http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004182.html | 20:15 |
| npm | e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/24324/how-do-i-get-flash-10-2-rc-crystal-hd-for-hw-accelerated-video-to-work | 20:16 |
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| npm | issue is that there's a kernel driver missing, assuming the hardware is there (i haven't opened mine to see) | 20:16 |
| lcuk | pixelgeek, you seem to think it is all the hardware | 20:16 |
| ver | dur, the 1.2 installer can be installed to a separate root? | 20:16 |
| ver | 1.2 sdk installer, rather. | 20:17 |
| npm | http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/15726-yawos-crystalhd-und-xbmc/ | 20:17 |
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| alterego | special: kinda wished I'd spoken to you in SF now :) | 20:21 |
| lcuk | pixelgeek, pretty UI running at snails pace makes me more certain that if you give developers top of the range desktop hardware to develop on they will use every ounce of that hardware | 20:21 |
| alterego | special: who do work for and where are you located? | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | then wonder why when it gets out of the lab it runs slowly | 20:21 |
| lcuk | pixelgeek, make devs work on lowest common denominator hardware | 20:22 |
| lcuk | make them push that to the limits | 20:22 |
| alterego | lcuk: I find in a lot of cases it works better on the N900 than on my workstation :) | 20:22 |
| lcuk | then when it gets into the real world on more powerful hardware running "lesser" apps (the IDE is heavyweight) it will fly! | 20:22 |
| alterego | Well, QML stuff | 20:22 |
| Bostik | or simply consider all software broken which doesn't work fast enough on the target device | 20:22 |
| lcuk | Bostik, yeah | 20:23 |
| Bostik | but then again, that requires constant access to real hardware | 20:23 |
| lcuk | some guy came into #qt-labs the other day asking how professional optimised their code for performance | 20:23 |
| Bostik | which in this business seems to be more of an exception than the norm :/ | 20:23 |
| lcuk | I mentioned this sort of thing and he said "well I don't have perofmrance problems" | 20:23 |
| lcuk | it was his boss who had been running it on real end user hardware ;) | 20:23 |
| alterego | What do we have in the way of device auto discovery in MeeGo core? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | Bostik, invert it | 20:24 |
| lcuk | take out the extra ram | 20:24 |
| lcuk | let their machines go into swap | 20:24 |
| Ronksu | altergo, what type of auto discovery? | 20:24 |
| Bostik | lcuk: or just retrofit their desktops with some slow-as-molasses 3D hardware? | 20:24 |
| w00t | alterego: avahi | 20:25 |
| lcuk | from the looks of things, replace the ide with a qml one will be enough | 20:25 |
| lcuk | qml profiler/performance tool should be manditory | 20:25 |
| * lcuk stops ranting anyway | 20:25 | |
| lcuk | :) | 20:25 |
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| * RST38h moos | 20:32 | |
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| * auke refrains from milking RST38h | 20:33 | |
| lcuk | auke, aww go on | 20:33 |
| lcuk | would be amusing | 20:33 |
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| * auke tips RST38h | 20:34 | |
| RST38h | BTW, how come the 1.2 handset edition is still not out? | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | there's no 1.2 handset | 20:35 |
| auke | ^ pretty good summary.... | 20:35 |
| RST38h | will there ever be a meego handset edition? or a tablet edition? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | tablet's supposedly 1.2.1 | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, which ML indicated what you just said? | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: meego-releases@ | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, would be helpful if you could dig out the mail | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i'm a little busy right now | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's either one of auke's or rollas mail in the last month | 20:41 |
| RST38h | there was a wiki page with status for every meego edition | 20:41 |
| RST38h | too bad I cannot locate it | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | does anyone happen to know where the franken-qt for 1.3 work in ongoing, btw? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-June/thread.html | 20:42 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-May/thread.html | 20:43 |
| * lcuk trying to find a mail saying handset was not there is a bit like a needle in a haystack ontop of the daily stuff | 20:43 | |
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| * wmarone reads about Really Huge things possibly happening way far off | 20:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | i predict we'll rename to Mer in due time, and my path of destruction is complete ;) | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, nahh you already left mer | 20:53 |
| lcuk | can we have binary plugins on handset? | 20:54 |
| lcuk | full app/widgety things that can instant load | 20:54 |
| lcuk | when you tap the icon | 20:54 |
| auke | wmarone: gossip? | 20:54 |
| lcuk | in process, fast and efficent | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | on another topic, I see a tweak from intel about the app accelerator | 20:55 |
| lcuk | hi ash \o | 20:55 |
| lcuk | http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/accelerator?cid=sw:social_newsletter_om | 20:56 |
| lcuk | Take your app from an idea to reality | 20:56 |
| lcuk | The Intel AppUpSM Accelerator provides funding to help developers and companies pioneer innovative, new user experiences through applications and components for netbooks and tablets. | 20:56 |
| lcuk | MeeGoExperts, what do you know about this? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | have any apps been created using it? | 20:56 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Hi | 20:58 |
| MeeGoExperts | Looking now | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: they mentioned it in one of the appups i think | 20:58 |
| MeeGoExperts | I didn't know of this one | 20:59 |
| lcuk | yeha me neither | 20:59 |
| lcuk | it popped up quietly | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | I wonder what licensing/revenue sharing agreements it entails | 20:59 |
| MeeGoExperts | average assistance is listed as $12,000 …. So possibly till they get their money back | 21:00 |
| MeeGoExperts | :-) | 21:00 |
| lcuk | haha | 21:00 |
| lcuk | so MeeGoExperts I could stop paying them a week after release? ;) | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | "did you ever try to get your fingers broken by a exopc? that's what happens if you don't pay back" | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | technological gangsters ;) | 21:01 |
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| MeeGoExperts | hahaha | 21:01 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, where do you think the Microsoft Ecel FDIV bug came from ;) | 21:01 |
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| alterego | Sweet christ ... | 21:04 |
| alterego | I've not looked at t.m.o all day. | 21:04 |
| alterego | Not the nicest way to end it :/ | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | meh | 21:04 |
| * Stskeeps hugs DE | 21:04 | |
| * Stskeeps rather likes a final repuation of doing wild goose chases, which is pretty fitting :> | 21:05 | |
| Stskeeps | reputation, that is | 21:05 |
| alterego | I might follow suit .. | 21:05 |
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| alterego | But I'll leave it until tomorrow ^.^ | 21:05 |
| fiferboy | It's funny, I heard some talk at sf2011 speculating how long t.m.o would remain a viable, useful forum | 21:06 |
| alterego | -1 year | 21:06 |
| alterego | :) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | the same talk happened last year too | 21:06 |
| alterego | tbh, forums are really only useful to "users" .. | 21:07 |
| lcuk | with the same length | 21:07 |
| alterego | And people like us, that sit here and try to use them to help the users. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: tmo was very useful even for developers for a long time | 21:07 |
| alterego | Well, we just end up getting very frustrated. | 21:07 |
| fiferboy | Seems like most people around the discussion were in favour of prolonging things | 21:07 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Yes, tmo helped a great deal in my maemo4/maemo5 development days | 21:08 |
| alterego | I'm all for prolonging mind you | 21:08 |
| lcuk | "ENLARGE YOUR TMO NOW!" | 21:08 |
| alterego | But mostly to watch it burn in flames :) | 21:08 |
| * lcuk wonders why people are destructive | 21:08 | |
| lcuk | alterego, imagine if your apps would run well on every single piece of maemo+meego hardware | 21:09 |
| alterego | Stop gloating :P | 21:09 |
| lcuk | imagine the pride you would feel if your cool app actually made people bring their n8x0 out of the drawers and bring them back into fulltime use | 21:09 |
| lcuk | I am serious | 21:09 |
| alterego | Your app is the only one I know of that runs well on all of those platforms :P | 21:10 |
| lcuk | then, yes I am gloating | 21:10 |
| lcuk | but my apps run well because I put effort into that aspect whilst lacking the other bits | 21:10 |
| alterego | I should have done what you did and just do everything myself :D | 21:10 |
| lcuk | no, you don't. | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | Too bad there is no obvious way to gracefully mothball the site to an archive-only state | 21:10 |
| * ShadowJK likes the useful threads there | 21:11 | |
| lcuk | alterego, that was the hardest decision ever | 21:11 |
| lcuk | rememeber I write visual basic | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | ShadowJK: I'm sure there is still useful discussion going on, but you have to dig through more and more garbage threads | 21:11 |
| alterego | liq is in vb?! :P | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | there's always http://forum.allaboutmeego.com/ ;) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | every line of code I knew just how much more there was to write | 21:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:12 |
| alterego | I know how that feels | 21:12 |
| lcuk | https://github.com/lcuk | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | I just ignore every [current news] or meego thread :P | 21:12 |
| lcuk | alterego, read my github page | 21:12 |
| alterego | But with every line of code, you're one less there ;) | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | and flash | 21:12 |
| lcuk | half of the projects are marked "visual basic" | 21:12 |
| lcuk | yet they are all compiled running on maemo | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | alterego, all liq* gui apps up until yesterday started life as a visual basic layout/mockup | 21:14 |
| alterego | :) | 21:15 |
| maligor | Voluntary self-torture? | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | maligor, I like VB :) | 21:15 |
| lcuk | it is like moulding clay | 21:15 |
| maligor | I could never get a hang of basic for some reason | 21:15 |
| lcuk | the language never bothered me - pascal is worse syntax wise | 21:16 |
| lcuk | the IDE was what made it for me though | 21:16 |
| lcuk | extremely smooth integration between design and code | 21:16 |
| maligor | oddly enough, the only gui editor I'v actually liked is Qt creator | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | maligor, | 21:18 |
| maligor | otherwise I just use vim | 21:18 |
| lcuk | qt creator is nice | 21:18 |
| lcuk | but lacks ONE key vital thing | 21:18 |
| alterego | A decent text editor? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | If I open qt creator, make a widget (called Helloworld") nice and visual | 21:19 |
| alterego | I like Qt Creator tbh | 21:19 |
| maligor | alterego, it has vim mode | 21:19 |
| maligor | it's not perfect tho | 21:19 |
| lcuk | then make another widget - I cannot directly insert visual instances onto the window | 21:19 |
| lcuk | in visual basic | 21:19 |
| lcuk | I can make multiple widgets - and see them in place, in context on further forms and stuff right there and then | 21:19 |
| lcuk | usercontrol a,b,c,d have whatever they need on them | 21:20 |
| lcuk | form F can then double click and add them as simply as textboxes | 21:20 |
| * lcuk has tried to explain this to numerous qt developers over the tiem | 21:20 | |
| maligor | heh | 21:20 |
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| maligor | I probably mostly like Creator because it doesn't try to enforce too much of it's own project management crap on me | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: There is a really labourious way to do that involving creating the widget and exporting it as a QtCreator plugin so you can use it in other projects | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | I know that isn't what you have in mind, though | 21:21 |
| andyross | Ooh, IDE flame opportunity. The whole idea of putting a decent text editor into an IDE is flawed on its face; vim and emacs (frankly the only good editors period, and no let's not get into that) are so much more than just keystrokes. You can't have a "mode" that will substitute when the whole idea of using a great editor is that you use it for everything. | 21:21 |
| maligor | andyross, ah, yes, the irc extension to emacs? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, you explain my point | 21:22 |
| lcuk | that is what I have in mind | 21:22 |
| lcuk | but it is tiresome and saps crativity | 21:22 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Yeah, when I have to create a widget in Qt I just add it programatically to whatever window needs it | 21:23 |
| andyross | Dunno, don't use it. I meant use it for editing everything. Code, notes, documents, email, etc... the only point to being good with the editor is getting the synergy from editing everything in it. You can't get that if you're just trying to make a GUI text field act the same way. | 21:24 |
| andyross | (apropos: Gnome3 seems to have broken gtk_key_theme=Emacs somehow, and now all of a sudden the GUI is useless to me) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, maligor http://liqbase.net/visualbasic_creative.20100609.png | 21:25 |
| mikhas | stupid question, but how can I invite infobot to other channels? | 21:25 |
| * andyross has no idea, but suspects the answer involves asking it nicely... | 21:26 | |
| maligor | andyross, uhoh... broken how? | 21:26 |
| maligor | I use that mode also | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, the creative editing in qt should really support this kind of class building | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: That is the way it *should* work in QtCreator too, ideally | 21:27 |
| andyross | maligor: Just doesn't work. I can set the gconf key but nothing honors it. Presumably that's a gtk3 glitch? | 21:27 |
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| maligor | mff, wrong control sequence | 21:28 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, yeah | 21:28 |
| maligor | actually, it looks like the application bindings take preference to the gtk | 21:28 |
| maligor | otherwise they work I guess | 21:28 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, even if it was once only "oh you can only do this at time of project creation" or similar I would be happy | 21:28 |
| lcuk | it helps to flesh out a project quickly and get running | 21:29 |
| * lcuk would go into other stuff like generic packaging and stuff ;) | 21:29 | |
| lcuk | but I have code to write this evening | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Or allowing you to place the custom widget but displaying the inherited class as a place-holder | 21:30 |
| fiferboy | Something like that would be useful I think | 21:30 |
| lcuk | that is already there | 21:30 |
| lcuk | you can simulate it | 21:30 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: You can place a custom widget developed in the same project? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and say "all checkboxes should become xyz class" | 21:30 |
| lcuk | but that is funky | 21:30 |
| fiferboy | I never noticed that before. Might be a small help to me. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, in qt, menu item called ... lemme see | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, right click on a widget in the designer and click "Promote to..." | 21:33 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Ah yes, I remember seeing this before. Never tried it, though. | 21:33 |
| lcuk | it seems to take you to a project global dialog which lets you specific the "all checkboxes will be made as ..." | 21:33 |
| fiferboy | Interesting, thanks for the tip! | 21:33 |
| lcuk | it works but hurts head | 21:34 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yeah, not a perfect solution | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: did i give you stats for last month yet? | 21:36 |
| mikhas | so, what about 3rd parties (commercial) and bugzilla components? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think there was such a discussion long ago actually | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | in relation to the harmattan stuff | 21:38 |
| * Stskeeps could personally support bugzilla components for stuff included in meego somehow, such as hardware adaptations | 21:39 | |
| Stskeeps | what do you have in mind, mikhas ? | 21:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee | alterego: we can help you set up a LinuxMCE system | 21:44 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was thinking that. | 21:45 |
| alterego | Firstly though I want to experiment with customising meego | 21:45 |
| alterego | Be developing my own UX on top of core. | 21:45 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, will move discussion to mail (sorry) | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: alright | 21:46 |
| maligor | qml would probably work nicely for that purpose, even if I'm not 100% sold on it's use everywhere ;P | 21:47 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, should I involve lbt_away in the discussion? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: mailing list or a CC pattern? | 21:48 |
| mikhas | corporate pattern | 21:48 |
| mikhas | (IE, CC) | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | then yes, if you think he can bring value | 21:49 |
| mikhas | am really sorry | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i know.. i have to do it at times too for whatever reason | 21:49 |
| mikhas | but it's always the risk if ideas fail, with 3rd parties | 21:49 |
| mikhas | then you dont want to reveal anything at all ... | 21:49 |
| mikhas | same with BMW's never getting the slightest damage in block busters | 21:50 |
| lcuk | mikhas, but there again, isn't the mantra of open source "release early, release often" ? | 21:50 |
| mikhas | ha, crazy talk, "open source" | 21:50 |
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| maligor | you mean: "break often, fix later" | 21:51 |
| mikhas | maligor, :-) | 21:51 |
| mikhas | maligor, "break often, fix later, rewrite with every release" | 21:51 |
| lcuk | mikhas, I used to mainta n a code stack that was written in doc basic way back before windows existed | 21:52 |
| lcuk | s/doc/dos/ | 21:52 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: mikhas, I used to mainta n a code stack that was written in dos basic way back before windows existed | 21:52 |
| * lcuk saw it running on vista | 21:52 | |
| maligor | lcuk, that's the basic I never learned. I think I learned using djgpp c | 21:53 |
| maligor | qbasic was always baffling | 21:53 |
| * thiago_home used djgpp | 21:53 | |
| lcuk | I did not have a windows machine until late 1999 | 21:53 |
| maligor | it's not like I can't write basic, but I'm hardly qualified to do anything very complex with it | 21:53 |
| lcuk | though strangely enough I was qualified in windows software in ~97/98 hmm | 21:54 |
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| * w00t used gcc | 21:55 | |
| csgeek | I was wondering if there were any dev or regulard devices out.. or coming out that support/run Meego | 21:55 |
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| w00t | I also wrote my own makefiles at the time, for reasons that escape me | 21:55 |
| * lcuk used amiga basic then arexx and other magical things | 21:55 | |
| Stskeeps | csgeek: n900's fairly nice for meego | 21:55 |
| lcuk | better every day too :) | 21:55 |
| csgeek | sure.. but I meant an official device designed for meego.. n900 feels $$ for the specs it has | 21:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you see - halfway towards allowing a simple import mechanism for contacts | 21:56 |
| maligor | csgeek, pretty much everything nokia did was, n900 is cheap in comparison really | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: briefly, i'm currently throwing myself into a bet with myself | 21:56 |
| lcuk | reasonable | 21:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, well if we can get a script and command line import working | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | we could do an automatic contacts import on firstboot | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. just have to be careful | 21:57 |
| lcuk | mount the emmc, check the folder, import contacts | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | we need a first boot wizard maybe | 21:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:57 |
| lcuk | it is just a simple first step that gives people using/testing a bit more realness to it | 21:58 |
| lcuk | and can allow them to seamlessly carry on conversations and stuff because the names are there | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | true | 21:58 |
| lcuk | before they know it, their n900-de was booted for 3 days | 21:59 |
| maligor | I'm sure the people using it for testing it will just get annoyed at it eventually :P | 21:59 |
| lcuk | and they have stuff tested thoroughly | 21:59 |
| lcuk | maligor, that is half the problem | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | with no ssu, and no "normal" data from their phone currently | 21:59 |
| lcuk | every day is like groundhog day | 21:59 |
| lcuk | complete restart | 21:59 |
| lcuk | this would give them a better phone run over | 22:00 |
| lcuk | but anyway, that is tomorrows task | 22:00 |
| maligor | I guess you'd want to add a fake data source for the import too then :P | 22:00 |
| lcuk | cyas later, I am off to #liqbase for a bit | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | good work | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, and you \o nn | 22:03 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I don't think so - the stats would be great | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | alright, will just gen them | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.may.html | 22:47 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: perfect, thank you! | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | np | 22:50 |
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| alterego | Wow I'm a gobby one again :D | 22:59 |
| summel | hmm the flashing did not work :S | 22:59 |
| alterego | Looks like me and lcuk have similar sleeping habits | 23:00 |
| alterego | "Stskeeps | likes to /kick" :D | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 23:00 |
| alterego | "alterego | is often happy :)" | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | it was me or auke on that statistics, for sure | 23:01 |
| alterego | What are these stats used for anyway? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | community metrics | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | and proving to myself i still have a regular sleeping rhythm | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:02 |
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| fiferboy | I notice lbt is among the most active in every time period | 23:12 |
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| * w00t manages this for #qt-labs, but not #meego | 23:13 | |
| Stskeeps | yes, i doubt he ever sleeps | 23:13 |
| w00t | thiago_home: we should start talking more here :-) | 23:13 |
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| lardman | lol @ some of the random messages :) | 23:14 |
| thiago_home | sure | 23:14 |
| fiferboy | Maybe I'll make it onto next month's metrics | 23:14 |
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| lardman | lcuk: you're scoring well for the midnight to 05 hundred period there! | 23:16 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: what timezone do those stats use? | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: mine, i think | 23:17 |
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| lardman | meego.com doesn't score very highly in the Google search results for anything very much meego related | 23:20 |
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| lardman | for example searching for an arm tablet ks file | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | lardman, I sleep at night now! | 23:21 |
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| lardman | I guess some serious chatting just after midnight uk time would get you in there nicely assuming Stskeeps is on European time | 23:21 |
| lardman | ~curse the Meego.com dev pages | 23:22 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Meego.com dev pages ! | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | lardman, I talk enough as it is | 23:22 |
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| lardman | I really see no way from e.g. https://meego.com/developers to actually get hold of any .ks files | 23:22 |
| lardman | what am I missing? | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | lardman, they are inside OBS I think | 23:23 |
| lcuk | but some repositories on gitorious remain synced | 23:23 |
| RST38h | ehlo lardman | 23:23 |
| lcuk | which are you looking for specifically | 23:23 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 23:23 |
| lardman | lcuk: tablet ux kickstart file | 23:23 |
| lardman | for arm | 23:24 |
| lcuk | lardman, also, the .ks files are autogenerated arent they? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | from daily integration of packages somewhere | 23:24 |
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| lardman | but just in general, the meego.com pages should have a link to the wiki pages that are acutally of use imho | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | agreed lardman | 23:25 |
| lcuk | do you think the people editing wiki could propose good pages they have worked through? | 23:25 |
| lardman | just a link from the meego.com dev page to some dev part of the wiki would at least join things up, otherwise you have to resort to Google search as the meego.com one is useless afair | 23:26 |
| lardman | tbh I find the whole process of doing any looking for info about meego bloody annoying, someone should look at the maemo dev pages and take note imho | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | lardman, yeah | 23:27 |
| lcuk | in other news | 23:27 |
| * lardman relaxes and resorts to Google to try to find a .ks file | 23:27 | |
| lcuk | after exporting contacts from maemo onto the eMMC | 23:27 |
| lcuk | I pieced together the bits of discussions | 23:27 |
| lcuk | and made a mount script thingy | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: repository.maemo.org/n900-de | 23:28 |
| lcuk | and can see those vcard contacts in meego n900 | 23:28 |
| lcuk | alterego and w00t might have a mini plan to be able to import them | 23:28 |
| lcuk | and we could have normal maemo phone contacts on meego | 23:28 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: url correct? | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | n | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | o | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/ | 23:29 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: if handset a better bet than tablet atm too? for the Tab this is | 23:29 |
| alterego | Do we have bluetooth working yet? :) | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: tablet's the best bet for new devel | 23:29 |
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| lardman | cool, do you have a link to a ks for this then? | 23:29 |
| * lardman hopes other people can see just how frustrating it is trying to find stuff on the *meego.com sites | 23:30 | |
| Stskeeps | look at the url | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | we have one | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:30 |
| lardman | oh right, apologies | 23:30 |
| lardman | ah good stuff, thanks | 23:30 |
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| pficheux_ | hi all | 23:36 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: that's a hard float image from the naming? | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | probably yeah | 23:57 |
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| lardman | is there any issue compiling for the previous abi? | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | well you can grab a older version | 23:57 |
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| lardman | as I'd like to eventually try to use the panda opengles userspace stuff | 23:57 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, | 23:57 |
| lcuk | the job you posted for | 23:57 |
| lardman | are there any known-working older versions floating about? | 23:58 |
| lcuk | is open for a year and a day! | 23:58 |
| lcuk | Posting Date | 23:58 |
| lcuk | : Jun 7, 2011 | 23:58 |
| lcuk | Apply Before | 23:58 |
| lcuk | : Jun 8, 2012 | 23:58 |
| lcuk | http://www.intel.com/jobs/jobsearch/index.htm?job=602667 | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: check repo.meego.com, 1.1.90 | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's armv7l's | 23:58 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: not my job posting :) | 23:59 |
| DawnFoster | but it's open for a year or until it's filled :) | 23:59 |
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