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| thebootroo | ok i've found a recent build (30 may) | 00:19 |
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| tcm458tu45u | good evening everybody ;) | 00:38 |
| alterego | Has Jaffa just had his kid? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | is jaffa pregnant? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | I thought he was a bloke | 00:38 |
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| alterego | He is :) | 00:39 |
| alterego | Oh wait | 00:39 |
| alterego | You're the one that's expecting. | 00:39 |
| alterego | I just had a brain fart :P | 00:39 |
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| tcm458tu45u | I know it's late, but I've worked on it for the last 5 hours googling and trying and could not get any further... I've done something stupid to maemo, but I know how to fix it... IF I could excess the rootfs... however I'm stuck mounting it on meego... I know it is ubifs, I know it's supposed to be mtdblock5, but when I try to mount it says "unknown filesystem blablabla"... | 00:40 |
| lcuk | alterego, :) | 00:41 |
| tcm458tu45u | has someone any idea/advice for me? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | tcm458tu45u, reflash maemo is simplest | 00:41 |
| tcm458tu45u | args I hoped not to read it ^^ | 00:42 |
| lcuk | but the only partition I have heard people using is the eMMC | 00:42 |
| lcuk | I do not know how to acccess the maemo rootfs from within meego | 00:42 |
| lcuk | but it would be great to have a recovery image :) | 00:42 |
| alterego | It should be possible mounting the ubitfs, but I've not managed to do it yet. | 00:42 |
| tcm458tu45u | the thing is, that it is on the NAND... means it is ubifs.. | 00:42 |
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| alterego | What is it you know you've screwd and you need to fix. | 00:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | xD | 00:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | don't want to tell xD | 00:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol | 00:43 |
| alterego | That was a question | 00:43 |
| alterego | Come on, even breaking .profile kills maemo :P | 00:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | I've kind of messed up the "evdev_drv.so" xD | 00:44 |
| tcm458tu45u | this means I have no input.. | 00:44 |
| alterego | Hrm | 00:44 |
| tcm458tu45u | neither keyboard nor touchscreen | 00:44 |
| alterego | Hmm | 00:44 |
| tcm458tu45u | means no reboot because of the PIN and so on.. | 00:44 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's annoying. | 00:44 |
| alterego | I'd reflash rootfs :/ | 00:45 |
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| tcm458tu45u | I missspelled evdev_drv.so.orig and didn't look it up.. | 00:45 |
| alterego | Maybe one day I'll get around to actually being able to mount ubifs :) | 00:45 |
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| tcm458tu45u | would you use any options or just the clear filesystem to mount it? | 00:46 |
| tcm458tu45u | I saw outputs of mount on working maemo devices where it had parameters like "rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc" | 00:47 |
| tcm458tu45u | on other os's I found things like "ubimkvolume"... | 00:50 |
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| tcm458tu45u | hmm I think there is no way to directly connect the nand to the computer, is it? | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes, but you don't want to. | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | It involves unsoldering and doing silly things like that. | 00:55 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol ok | 00:55 |
| tcm458tu45u | nevermind ;) | 00:55 |
| tcm458tu45u | looks like a reflash for me.. | 00:55 |
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| tcm458tu45u | hmm a reflash will only kill the NAND, won't it? | 01:23 |
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| gabrbedd | is meegotouch-inputmethodbridges deprecated? It's been a looooooong time since it was updated. | 02:21 |
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| w00t | araujo might know | 02:22 |
| gabrbedd | w00t: thanks. | 02:22 |
| w00t | I vaguely remember them talking about an update being too late for 1.2, but I don't know if that was -imb | 02:23 |
| w00t | them being mikhas and him, iirc :) | 02:23 |
| w00t | #meego-inputmethods is probably a useful place to be too | 02:24 |
| boss | w00t: Error: "meego-inputmethods" is not a valid command. | 02:24 |
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| araujo | yeah... | 02:26 |
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| araujo | gabrbedd, it has been not ... but the update didn't make it into 1.2 | 02:27 |
| w00t | not = not deprecated I guess :) | 02:27 |
| araujo | right :P | 02:27 |
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| araujo | gabrbedd, latest version is available in the 1.3 devel repos ..... | 02:28 |
| araujo | w00t, I didn't recognize you without the '_' | 02:29 |
| araujo | :P | 02:29 |
| w00t | hehe | 02:29 |
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| gabrbedd | araujo: OK, thanks. | 02:44 |
| gabrbedd | araujo: I noticed that meegotouch-inputmethodframework no longer installs the dbus service files. | 02:45 |
| gabrbedd | araujo: Doesn't that break the bridges? | 02:45 |
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| araujo | gabrbedd, ? .... imframework depends on and uses dbus properly | 03:09 |
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| gabrbedd | araujo: but can other apps use imframework through araujo? | 03:12 |
| gabrbedd | araujo: I could be wrong... I'm mostly looking at the code trying to figure how to use imframework via dbus... | 03:12 |
| gabrbedd | araujo: but I can't get any of the GTK apps to trigger the keyboard in the Tablet UX. | 03:12 |
| araujo | gabrbedd, aah.. yes .... you can .. but you need the latest bridges package .... which version of imbridges are you using? | 03:13 |
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| gabrbedd | araujo: 0.2.2-2.14 | 03:14 |
| araujo | right | 03:14 |
| gabrbedd | is that one too old? | 03:15 |
| araujo | 0.2.3 fixes launching the keyboard in Gtk applications , which is the latest version ..... | 03:15 |
| gabrbedd | araujo: ok, I'll check that out. Thanks! | 03:15 |
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| araujo | http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/ | 03:16 |
| araujo | there, it is available in that repo | 03:16 |
| araujo | :) | 03:16 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: i find that only qt-based apps (e.g. smplayer ) work w/ virt-kb on tablet-ux ; gnome based apps ( gpodder, firefox4, google-chrome) all ignore the vkb and require a real keyboard plugged in to use | 04:16 |
| npm | and some gnome apps have issues w/ menus and other popups getting expanded and showing up as the full-screen window, afterwards, you have to kill the app or mcompositor | 04:17 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: have you figured out how to turn off the screensaver? permanently? it seems that certain apps re-fire the screensaver and you have to run the scripts in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/tablet-ux-brightness-scripts.tgz in a loop to get the screensaver to stop | 04:19 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:35 |
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| w00t | mikeleib: ping | 05:41 |
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| w00t | mikeleib: I can't actually test the switching version of meego-qml-launcher, because any sort of software rendering on my exopc seems to stop any and all X updates to the screen - permanently - until I kill X and force it to relaunch, so that's going to make life difficult | 06:09 |
| w00t | mikeleib: I do have a few patches that will help things I think, I'll open a merge request to meego-qml-launcher | 06:09 |
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| npm | finds all answers: http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/12074-hdmi-ausgang/ http://www.phlerion.com/blog/exopc/exopc-ubuntu/ http://exocommunity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=2363 http://faceted.wordpress.com/tag/exopc/ http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/natty-on-exopc.html | 06:10 |
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| w00t | mikeleib: heh.. I think I might have fixed it | 06:34 |
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| w00t | mikeleib: it's really hard to tell if this is properly fixed, since I have to kill uxlaunch whenever I come out of software rendering right now.. but before X was frozen on a white screen, and now it's frozen on content, which seems like a large step forward | 06:38 |
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| w00t | mikeleib: filed as https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-qml-launcher/merge_requests/8 | 06:51 |
| w00t | and, gitorious is managing to show the completely wrong commits that had nothing to do with me. | 06:51 |
| w00t | fantastic | 06:51 |
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| araujo | npm, VKB doesn't launch with Gtk applications in tablet-ux because of the inputmehtodbridges package, the fix didn't make it there for 1.2 , it should fixed with latest version of the package | 07:29 |
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| Macer | http://www.oqo.com/products/model2+/specifications.html | 08:00 |
| Macer | put meego on that ;) | 08:00 |
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| woodyjlw | I need help installing meego to my n900 | 08:02 |
| woodyjlw | I followed every step but dont know what to put for kernal? | 08:04 |
| woodyjlw | this is web site I am on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | woodyjlw: i would recommend you try the external microsd method and uboot | 08:05 |
| woodyjlw | I want to fully flash to meego | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | woodyjlw: have you tried it on microsd first? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | i would recommend you do that before flashing fully :) | 08:07 |
| woodyjlw | dont have the right micro sd to install too | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | you should do that before potentially wrecking your n900 :) | 08:07 |
| woodyjlw | you cant flash back to maemo 5 ? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's not easy, so i'd recommend you try the microsd way first :) | 08:09 |
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| woodyjlw | the meego I downloaded is for the n900. I like the way meego looks and I read it can run droid apps too. is that true? | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but you need to get some software that's not public | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think you really need to look at videos of meego on n900 and decide if that's something you want :) it's really for developers | 08:15 |
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| woodyjlw | yeah i have been on youtube watching meego videos for weeks and now the released 1.2 stable for n900 and I really like how the meego looks on the videos and all the things I have ready I am sure I will like it. I do understand the risk of bricking a phone. but I have been needing to flash the phone anyways back to factory mode since I got phone used and want to switch to meego. thanks for the concern. it has taken me weeks to make m | 08:21 |
| woodyjlw | y mind up to do this | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | woodyjlw: 'vmlinuz' are the kernel images | 08:21 |
| woodyjlw | thanks :) | 08:22 |
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| npm | araujo: I installed 'zypper in meegotouch-inputmethodbridges' and rebooted. still same behavior for gtk apps | 09:07 |
| araujo | npm, which version?.... | 09:13 |
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| iekku | morning | 10:06 |
| npm | araujo: meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.2-2.14.i586 | 10:13 |
| npm | iekku: good evening :- | 10:13 |
| npm | ) | 10:13 |
| araujo | npm, you need 0.2.3 | 10:13 |
| npm | where from? | 10:13 |
| araujo | http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/ | 10:14 |
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| iekku | npm, :) | 10:26 |
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| tcm458tu45u | hey guys anybody ever mounted a ubifs under meego? I cannot find any "ubiattach", which is usually used before mounting.. | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | tcm458tu45u: i'm not confident we have that in n900 images | 10:38 |
| tcm458tu45u | any way to somehow add it? like compiling on the device or something? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | mtd-utils is the package, isn't it? | 10:39 |
| tcm458tu45u | should be | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | wow, they really cleaned up 1.2 tablet | 10:41 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol found a source: http://mtd-utils.sourcearchive.com/documentation/20110107/ubiattach_8c_source.html | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | tcm458tu45u: mtd-utils should be in meego repositories as mtd-utils | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | rpm | 10:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | thx | 10:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | hmm now I need to get internet working on meego - somehow... | 10:46 |
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| tcm458tu45u | re | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | usb networking is always good | 10:47 |
| thiago_home | saved my life several times | 10:47 |
| thiago_home | both by saving the device and sometimes by the device saving my workstation | 10:47 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol | 10:47 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: cleaned up in what sense? | 10:47 |
| tcm458tu45u | at the moment it saves me from typing everything on the small keyboard ^^ | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: as in it doesnt act fucked up with appgrid and looks more proper :P | 10:49 |
| w00t | hehe | 10:49 |
| npm | araujo: worksforme :-) -- zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/i586/meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.3-1.4.i586.rpm | 10:49 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: amazing what can happen with some decent development effort put into a ux, isn't it | 10:49 |
| npm | thanks | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: yess.. | 10:49 |
| npm | now able to properly use http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem-Firefox4 on exopc | 10:50 |
| npm | and also google chrome | 10:51 |
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| araujo | npm, awesome :) | 10:55 |
| npm | so what do i upgrade to get rid of the weird behavior where sometimes the menu dropdown contents get blown up to the size of the full screen | 10:56 |
| npm | happens on chrome, seemingly w/ certain gl contexts (?), but not firefox | 10:57 |
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| tcm458tu45u | hmm what is "liblzo2.so.2" ? the mtd-utils depend on it but I can not find it.. | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | xz package maybe | 11:00 |
| npm_exopc | pidgin works too | 11:00 |
| thiago_home | xz would include xz, not lzo :) | 11:00 |
| tcm458tu45u | oops sorry my fault.. | 11:01 |
| npm_exopc | tho the kbd obscures my typing | 11:01 |
| tcm458tu45u | misspelled lzo xD | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: ah, you're right | 11:01 |
| thiago_home | xz is the new name of LZMA, not LZO | 11:01 |
| thiago_home | the LZ means the same thing though (Lempel-Ziv) | 11:02 |
| tcm458tu45u | found it.. it's in "http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/lzo-2.03-7.8.armv7l.rpm" | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: you probably need 1.2 and armv7hl | 11:03 |
| tcm458tu45u | for n900? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:03 |
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| thiago_home | zip and gzip also use (by default) algorithms based on Lempel-Ziv | 11:04 |
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| tcm458tu45u | I used this image: "meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-mmcblk0p.raw" so I think 1.1 should be right !? | 11:05 |
| tcm458tu45u | afaik there is no meego 1.2 image for the n900, is it? | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | tcm458tu45u: sure there is, wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | tcm458tu45u: but for your purpose just grab the armv7l right now | 11:07 |
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| tcm458tu45u | yeah think so too.. | 11:07 |
| timeless | stskeeps: hey, does meego do over the air updates? :) | 11:07 |
| timeless | i want to update my exopc.. :) | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: we don't actively test it | 11:08 |
| timeless | is there a ui for it? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | console's a ui | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 11:08 |
| timeless | (lacking a keyboard..) | 11:08 |
| timeless | sorry, is there a ui that works ootb? | 11:08 |
| timeless | console requires third party hardware accessories./ | 11:08 |
| tcm458tu45u | perl(Config::IniFiles) missing ^^ http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/perl-5.12.1-61.38.armv7l.rpm , right? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:08 |
| timeless | tcm458tu45u: 1.1 is obsolete.. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | tcm458tu45u: dunno - if you have zypper you can probably just zypper in mtd-utils | 11:09 |
| tcm458tu45u | timeless: I know | 11:09 |
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| npm | over the air update == edit repos w/ http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2: then do zypper dup --from 'MeeGo:1.2:non-oss (MeeGo_1.2)' --from 'MeeGo:1.2:oss (standard)'" | 11:10 |
| npm | timeless ^^^ | 11:10 |
| timeless | npm: how do i do that on an exopc w/o a keyboard? :) | 11:11 |
| npm | ssh in ? | 11:11 |
| npm | install emacs and do "ssh -f -Y meego@meegotab emacs --funcall shell" | 11:12 |
| timeless | hrm, meego/meego? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | and root/meego | 11:12 |
| npm | and then change it to secure yourself | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | which lends me to think of some awesome pranks for next meego conference | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:12 |
| timeless | heh | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | "SKYNET ACTIVATING".. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:13 |
| tcm458tu45u | o.0 zypper taking a long time... | 11:14 |
| npm | prank: have "morbid anal fog" videos start playing back at 3AM from youtube | 11:15 |
| tcm458tu45u | woooooohoooooo I finally managed to mount the maemo nand in meego hopefully I can now fix my little problem ^^ | 11:17 |
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| tcm458tu45u | oh my gosh ^^ thanks for your help ;) I'm tried to mount it for around 6 hours | 11:18 |
| tcm458tu45u | ll | 11:18 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol | 11:18 |
| timeless | ok, where's this repo file i need to edit? :) | 11:19 |
| tcm458tu45u | that is a dumb misspelling: [root@localhost input]# ls | 11:19 |
| tcm458tu45u | evdev_drev.so evdev_drv.so.mousesupport joystick_drv.so | 11:19 |
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| npm | timeless: /etc/zypp/repos.d/1.2-oss.repo /etc/zypp/repos.d/1.2-non-oss.repo | 11:20 |
| npm | then do zypper clean --all ; zypper refresh ; zypper dup --from 'MeeGo:1.2:non-oss (MeeGo_1.2)' --from 'MeeGo:1.2:oss (standard)' | 11:21 |
| timeless | grr, | 11:21 |
| timeless | this terminal is so broken | 11:22 |
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| npm | not as broken as a flash player in a browser... | 11:27 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol | 11:27 |
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| tcm458tu45u | welcome back | 11:28 |
| timeless | grr | 11:28 |
| timeless | is there a wiki page that will walk frustrated people through this? | 11:28 |
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| npm | not yet. i was thinking about posting an email about my success in upgrading my tablet to something useable | 11:29 |
| npm | but I cheated: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem :-) | 11:30 |
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| npm | i guess i shoud finish that page first | 11:31 |
| npm | s/should | 11:31 |
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| npm | the next frontier is fitting proper speakers into a tablet... the entire surface of the display could be driven as a subwoofer (and do tactile feedback when you're not playing sound) | 11:34 |
| * timeless decides to curse zypper repeatedly | 11:38 | |
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| timeless | ok, after a zypper refresh and a slightly different command, it's now going to download 200mb of stuff | 11:38 |
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| timeless | i don't suppose this will actually *fix* anything? :) | 11:41 |
| npm | well rotation will start working for one | 11:41 |
| timeless | define working | 11:42 |
| npm | you turn the screen and things turn | 11:42 |
| npm | including browser. .. multitouch in browser works etc. | 11:42 |
| timeless | hrm | 11:43 |
| timeless | i already have some rotation and some multitouch | 11:43 |
| npm | well maybe yours was more up-to date than mine | 11:43 |
| timeless | i wasn't using the version that came w/ my exopc | 11:43 |
| timeless | i used some image someone installed for me | 11:44 |
| npm | well i'm sure some things will be better, some worse (media playback stops working?) | 11:44 |
| npm | it looks better, imho | 11:44 |
| timeless | i already have media playback not working well | 11:46 |
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| timeless | what i'd like is a vkb that actually works in xterm | 11:47 |
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| timeless | or a vkb that actually stretches properly... | 11:48 |
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| timeless | i'd also like volume control to work reasonably well | 11:49 |
| timeless | i wouldn't cry if the settings ui wasn't stupid | 11:49 |
| timeless | (some items have back buttons, some don't) | 11:49 |
| npm | after doing 'zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/i586/meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.3-1.4.i586.rpm' you should be able to get gnome progs to work with vkb | 11:51 |
| npm | therefore install gnome-termimal from meego | 11:51 |
| npm | (i installed roxterm from fedora with http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) | 11:52 |
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| npm | and roxterm works with the virtual keyboard on the tablet w/ inputmethodbridges installed | 11:52 |
| npm | of course, it ends up covering up your typing if you hit the bottom third of screen, so you have to hit return a bunch of times to see what you're typing | 11:53 |
| npm | or do clear(1) | 11:55 |
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| tcm458tu45u | what the **** why is the 1.2 image for n900 3.6GB? 1.1 was 1.8GB... | 12:40 |
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| Stskeeps | tcm458tu45u: because we needed more roaming space for data | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | and debug symbols and such | 12:42 |
| tcm458tu45u | hmm | 12:42 |
| tcm458tu45u | good thing I bought the 8GB microsd and not the 2GB.. | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | we do say 4gb somewhere ;) | 12:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | ;) | 12:43 |
| tcm458tu45u | now you say 4gb ;) lol when I bought the other one for an earlier release it was 2GB minimum.. | 12:44 |
| tcm458tu45u | I'm looking forward to testing the new version though... 1.1 was kind of laggy on my n900 and it got kind of warm over the time.. | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | DE SF2011 should be like a miracle to you then | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:45 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol nice ^^ | 12:45 |
| tcm458tu45u | dd takes for ever with 3.6gig... | 12:46 |
| tcm458tu45u | hmm why does the raw image name says "1.1.99.7." ? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | long story | 12:48 |
| tcm458tu45u | ok as long as it is the right one.. | 12:48 |
| tcm458tu45u | everything is alright | 12:48 |
| tcm458tu45u | hmm... how long is it supposed to take to copy the image to the microsd card? it's class 6 I think... and now it takes around 20minutes.. | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | writing is always slow | 12:58 |
| tcm458tu45u | hmm o | 12:59 |
| tcm458tu45u | k | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | about 12 minutes at 6 megabytes/s. Though, it's hard to find a system/method which doesn't mess up the access pattern into something microsd doesn't like | 13:00 |
| tcm458tu45u | lol | 13:00 |
| ShadowJK | At one time a certain popular linux distro mounted cards with -o sync by default. This degraded performance to about 150kbyte/s :-) | 13:01 |
| tcm458tu45u | looool | 13:01 |
| tcm458tu45u | hopefully it's not ubuntu 10.04 LTS xD | 13:02 |
| tcm458tu45u | other ways its gonna take some time... | 13:02 |
| alterego | I get about 10 minutes write time on C4 cards | 13:02 |
| tcm458tu45u | hmm | 13:03 |
| tcm458tu45u | break up and start all over again? | 13:03 |
| ShadowJK | do you know the name of the /dev/ entry for your card? | 13:03 |
| tcm458tu45u | sudo dd bs=4096 if=mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-sanity-1.1.99.7.20110516.2.DE.2011-05-23.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0 | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | you have a mmcblk0 on Ubuntu? | 13:04 |
| alterego | I do | 13:04 |
| alterego | It's the internal card reader | 13:04 |
| tcm458tu45u | yes... worked like this for the old image.. | 13:04 |
| tcm458tu45u | plus it is what fdisk gives me | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | 'iostat -x -k -d 10 mmcblk0' ,wait 10s (the first line output is worthless), tell me what it says under wkB/s, avgrq-sz, avgqu-sz, util | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | iostat is in sysstat package if you dont have it | 13:07 |
| tcm458tu45u | getting it, right now.. | 13:07 |
| tcm458tu45u | Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rkB/s wkB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util | 13:08 |
| tcm458tu45u | mmcblk0 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 192,00 0,00 0,00 100,00 | 13:08 |
| tcm458tu45u | everything is zero!? | 13:08 |
| ShadowJK | wtf :) | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | it's not going anywhere then. | 13:10 |
| tcm458tu45u | true true.. | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | Anything peculiar in dmesg? | 13:10 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292408] [<c01760f0>] ? clockevents_program_event+0x90/0x140 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292411] [<c02337ec>] blkdev_aio_write+0x3c/0x90 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292415] [<c0209964>] do_sync_write+0xc4/0x100 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292419] [<c01683e0>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x50 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292424] [<c02f7114>] ? security_file_permission+0x14/0x20 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292427] [<c0209b04>] ? rw_verify_area+0x64/0xe0 | 13:11 |
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| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292430] [<c0209c22>] vfs_write+0xa2/0x1a0 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292433] [<c02098a0>] ? do_sync_write+0x0/0x100 | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292436] [<c020a512>] sys_write+0x42/0x70 | 13:11 |
| thiago_home | hint: don't flood | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | [10800.292439] [<c01033ec>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb | 13:11 |
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| thiago_home | use a pastebin | 13:11 |
| tcm458tu45u | sorry | 13:11 |
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| ShadowJK | that looks like the end of a crash of somesort | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | looks related to writing too | 13:12 |
| thiago_home | could be something else | 13:15 |
| tcm458tu45u | http://pastebin.com/HthZij1j | 13:15 |
| thiago_home | you need to look at what preceded that stack dump. It could be "task hung" or just a warning. | 13:15 |
| tcm458tu45u | unplugged and replugged the card | 13:15 |
| * timeless kicks zypper | 13:16 | |
| timeless | so i mistakenly installed firefox 3.6 | 13:16 |
| timeless | and now i can't install 4.0 | 13:16 |
| timeless | and i can't figure out how to uninstall 3.6 | 13:16 |
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| timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1242888 | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe you could trade computers with one of those trying to figure out how to do the reverse | 13:18 |
| lcuk | timeless, which syste mdid you install it onto? | 13:19 |
| lcuk | morning btw \o | 13:19 |
| timeless | exopc w/ some ****d version of meego 1.2 + random repositories | 13:19 |
| lcuk | system did | 13:19 |
| * timeless should replace it w/ wepad | 13:20 | |
| timeless | since that actually works | 13:20 |
| lcuk | so what is preventing uninstalling? | 13:20 |
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| timeless | looks like it isn't actually installed | 13:20 |
| * ShadowJK would suspect "+ random repositories" is a bad idea | 13:20 | |
| timeless | what prevents it from uninstalling is crappy rollback behavior and crappy output | 13:20 |
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| timeless | Package 'firefox' is not installed. 'firefox' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. No provider of 'firefox' is installed. Resolving package dependencies... | 13:21 |
| timeless | that is not human readable | 13:21 |
| timeless | so what's w/ this stupid file system thing and why does it care? | 13:21 |
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| timeless | is this some key format that meego doesn't support? | 13:24 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, what repository do you have that has a package for fedora core 12 (current is fedora core 15?) :) | 13:25 |
| timeless | hell if i'd know | 13:25 |
| timeless | it's not like i know what this system is doing :) | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | "This package provides some directories required by packages which use Mozilla technologies such as NPAPI plugins or toolkit extensions." | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | And before that it's talking about xulrunner for Fedora Core 14. Hopefully the "package integrity check failed" is because it actually downloaded a htmli-ized themed 404 page instead of an rpm | 13:27 |
| timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1242897 | 13:27 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure the checks it's failing are "i don't have a pgp key and i don't want to give you a remotely useful error message" | 13:28 |
| tcm458tu45u | 7.68mb/s for class 6 isn't bad.. | 13:30 |
| ShadowJK | raw sequential speed only matters for cameras and for that one time you write the image :P | 13:30 |
| tcm458tu45u | that's what I'm doing ;) | 13:30 |
| timeless | ok, forcefully installing the pgp key for remi seems to have maybe fixed the last of these stupid errors | 13:31 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know dude, forcing stuff and ignoring deps is like giving the packahe managment license to do random bad things forever and ever | 13:32 |
| ShadowJK | tcm458tu45u, so your card didn't die during the second attempt? | 13:33 |
| timeless | cool | 13:33 |
| timeless | gnome-terminal crashes (core dump) on launch | 13:33 |
| timeless | (firefox at least launches) | 13:33 |
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| tcm458tu45u | ShadowJK: actually I've got no idea what it did, but a reboot was mandatory because of os updates anyway so I did a quick reboot.. | 13:34 |
| tcm458tu45u | and now it seems to work | 13:34 |
| tcm458tu45u | done | 13:34 |
| tcm458tu45u | just in this moment lol | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, I think you'd need to choose one distro, instead of mixing binaries from several distros :P | 13:36 |
| timeless | shadowjk: is there a distro that doesn't suck? | 13:36 |
| ShadowJK | no:) | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | LFS! | 13:37 |
| timeless | speedevil: i think i'll ask MS for install media | 13:37 |
| timeless | there's a license key on the reverse side | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:37 |
| timeless | hey, i'm chatting w/ you guys using w7starter on my ideapad :) | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK | They have comittees that determine what would piss off existing users the most, implement it and then abandin the older working usable version, forcing upgrades to piss-me-off version | 13:37 |
| timeless | i might as well use w7home-pro on my exopc :) | 13:37 |
| timeless | excuse me, i don't own this exopc, it's on a multiyear loan :) | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | Last time I tried to get install media they wanted 100 eur and for me to FAX a form to somewhere in Norway | 13:39 |
| timeless | i've had mixed luck w/ install media | 13:39 |
| timeless | one vendor merrily sent it for free from somewhere in NAM to finland | 13:39 |
| timeless | iirc that was LG | 13:39 |
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| timeless | the next vendor was a PIA and I gave up and just bought w7 at a store in town | 13:39 |
| timeless | the third instance i just went to the store and grabbed w7 | 13:40 |
| timeless | (none of these were for my own computers, just random people in/visiting helsinki) | 13:40 |
| timeless | i think <settings> just killed itself | 13:41 |
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| timeless | [ 4895.504257] meego-qml-launc[956]: segfault at fffffffb ip b48558eb sp bfad97c0 error 4 in libSettings.so[b482b000+53000][ 4895.504293] meego-qml-launc/956: potentially unexpected fatal signal 11. | 13:42 |
| * ShadowJK should upgrade from Fedora Core 10 some day, but I'm afraid it'll be month long effort of fixing everything they've broken, and wrestling network-manager into not breaking networking every few minutes | 13:42 | |
| timeless | potentially unexpected sig 11... yeah... | 13:42 |
| timeless | potentially ... | 13:42 |
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| timeless | wow | 13:43 |
| timeless | email has an icon for Aol. | 13:43 |
| ShadowJK | did you install an email app from 1999? :) | 13:43 |
| timeless | what color would you expect <aol> to be? | 13:43 |
| ShadowJK | yellow? | 13:43 |
| timeless | that's aim | 13:44 |
| timeless | try again? | 13:44 |
| ShadowJK | um.. barf coloured? | 13:44 |
| timeless | no cheating! | 13:44 |
| ShadowJK | blue? | 13:44 |
| * timeless suspects shadowjk asked meego | 13:44 | |
| timeless | blue! that's right | 13:44 |
| ShadowJK | is it red? | 13:45 |
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| timeless | http://www.google.com/images?q=aol will support blue | 13:45 |
| ShadowJK | because that would have been third guess | 13:45 |
| timeless | no, it's hot pink, i think | 13:45 |
| timeless | aLsO, iN wHaT rAnSoM lEtTeR cAsE wOuLd YoU eXpEcT <a-o-l> tO bE wRiTtEn? | 13:46 |
| ShadowJK | Aol | 13:46 |
| timeless | s/S/D/ | 13:46 |
| infobot | timeless meant: aLsO, iN wHaT rAnDoM lEtTeR cAsE wOuLd YoU eXpEcT <a-o-l> tO bE wRiTtEn? | 13:46 |
| timeless | shadowjk: why? | 13:46 |
| ShadowJK | because that:s what the helpful auto-capitalisation suggests when pressing a o l | 13:47 |
| timeless | lol | 13:47 |
| ShadowJK | I'm guessing you're seeing AoL and correct is AOL? | 13:47 |
| timeless | ok, ask google and let me know what the correct answer is | 13:47 |
| timeless | you're close | 13:47 |
| timeless | but no | 13:47 |
| timeless | 'Aol.' | 13:47 |
| timeless | please don't ask me what the heck is up w/ the dot | 13:48 |
| timeless | but if you happen to know, i'm all ears! | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Army of Losers? | 13:48 |
| timeless | doc: that'd be 'AoL.', obviously =b | 13:48 |
| ShadowJK | "AOL.com"? | 13:48 |
| timeless | aol.com took me to: http://www.aol.ca/?r=www.aol.com | 13:49 |
| timeless | which led me to believe i was in a dns trap :o | 13:49 |
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| timeless | but wow | 13:49 |
| timeless | http://portal.aolcdn.com/p5/forms/398/9da04a5a-4fdf-4488-99ee-899427372804.jpg | 13:49 |
| timeless | it seems that 'Aol.' is their new branding | 13:50 |
| * timeless kicks aol | 13:50 | |
| ShadowJK | that's funny, at the bottom there's a "Aol." logo and a "our brands" listing with "AOL Mail" | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, ok, so next one, yahoo? | 13:51 |
| timeless | shadowjk: are you peeking? | 13:51 |
| timeless | there's either <no-icon> or a solid-white-icon or a 100-percent-transparent-icon | 13:51 |
| timeless | not sure which | 13:51 |
| timeless | :) | 13:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer prefers postal to portal.aol | 13:52 | |
| * ShadowJK typed yahoo.com into browser but didn't look | 13:52 | |
| timeless | DocScrutinizer: eh? | 13:52 |
| timeless | ShadowJK: well, unless yahoo really has a solid white or 100% transparent icon... | 13:53 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure meego is broken :) | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | it's purple | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | supposed to be | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm pretty sure yahoo better had a 100% transparent icon | 13:53 |
| timeless | speedevil: so... | 13:53 |
| timeless | for my next trick... i'm going to click 'Other' | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so at least *aomething* is transparent with yahoo | 13:54 |
| timeless | that takes me to a page w/ <next> and <cancel> buttons | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/*a/*s/ | 13:54 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: so at least *something* is transparent with yahoo | 13:54 |
| timeless | what would you expect to have happen when 'cancel' is clicked? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 13:55 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, window goes away and then it tries to check your email and crashes because youm have no accounts defined? | 13:55 |
| ShadowJK | (going by typical experieences here) | 13:55 |
| timeless | lol | 13:55 |
| timeless | not far off | 13:55 |
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| timeless | <h1>Discard changes</h1> | 13:56 |
| timeless | <p>You have made changes to your settings, so are you sure you want | 13:56 |
| timeless | to cancel</p> | 13:56 |
| timeless | <hr> | 13:56 |
| timeless | <input value=yes><input value=no> | 13:56 |
| ShadowJK | Cancel, OK? | 13:56 |
| ShadowJK | ah almost | 13:56 |
| timeless | <style>p { text-align:center }</style> | 13:57 |
| timeless | and yes, they force wrapped or something between 'want' and 'to' | 13:57 |
| ShadowJK | Cancel, Discard would have been fun too | 13:57 |
| timeless | so... question... | 13:57 |
| timeless | what changes have i made? | 13:57 |
| timeless | is clicking 'cancel' considered a change? | 13:57 |
| timeless | Dear UI designers: | 13:57 |
| timeless | would you *please* try clicking on each button you add to a UI *before* you fill in data? | 13:58 |
| timeless | ... it helps prevent stupid UX like this | 13:58 |
| leinir | ... wow | 13:58 |
| leinir | double negatives in the UI, ouch | 13:58 |
| timeless | leiner: which ones? | 13:58 |
| timeless | personally what impressed me most about the text was the use of "so" | 13:59 |
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| ShadowJK | "Discard changes", "Sure you want to cancel", yes/no | 13:59 |
| timeless | shadowjk: well, technically it's consistent | 13:59 |
| timeless | it's stupid | 13:59 |
| leinir | the one you just posted... that's a pretty bad message... | 13:59 |
| timeless | but i've seen *much* worse | 13:59 |
| timeless | leinir: oh, you won't hear me praising it :) | 14:00 |
| timeless | in this case, i shouldn't have gotten the dialog *at all* | 14:00 |
| timeless | but yeah, ideally the text would be different if it existed | 14:00 |
| timeless | generally such dialogs shouldn't exist at all | 14:00 |
| timeless | the right thing to do is to treat an incomplete task as a "draft" | 14:00 |
| timeless | and just let the user leave | 14:00 |
| timeless | when the user comes back, give them their draft | 14:01 |
| ShadowJK | the worst thing is, if you complain about the "so", the entire message gets replaced by something incomprehensible | 14:01 |
| timeless | or give them an undo option | 14:01 |
| timeless | shadowjk: indeed | 14:01 |
| timeless | the only solution here is to take the dialog out and shoot it | 14:01 |
| timeless | ... there should not be any dialog for this | 14:01 |
| timeless | cute | 14:02 |
| timeless | so, i'm using a landscape Settings app | 14:02 |
| timeless | i'm in "General" | 14:02 |
| timeless | it has two rows | 14:02 |
| timeless | "Time and Date" (they get points for capitalizing the D in Date -- Nokia gets this wrong) | 14:02 |
| timeless | "Sound" | 14:02 |
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| timeless | the "Sound" line is actually: | 14:02 |
| ShadowJK | the "draft" thing's disadvantage is that people sometimes expect to get some amount of sensible sane values prefilled, and go through the discard/cancel to go back to sane defaults to start from | 14:03 |
| timeless | <p><span class="left">Sound</span><span class="right">100%v</span></p> | 14:03 |
| timeless | shadowjk: easily dealt w/ by having a reset button which toggles to undo in the dialog | 14:03 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 14:04 |
| timeless | so i can just click ;'reset' at any time to get sane defaults | 14:04 |
| timeless | and if i accidentally click it, i just click 'undo' | 14:04 |
| timeless | `anyway | 14:04 |
| timeless | the 'v' toggles to a '^' | 14:04 |
| timeless | the '%' and the '^' run into eachother | 14:04 |
| ShadowJK | why is there a v or a ^ in there | 14:05 |
| timeless | no one thought it would be important to leave space after the % | 14:05 |
| timeless | it's a disclosure widget | 14:05 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 14:05 |
| * timeless should have stuck it into an <a> but then it's harder to read the collision | 14:06 | |
| timeless | oh... | 14:06 |
| timeless | Time and Date says i'm using a 24 hour clock | 14:06 |
| timeless | the title area for the system shows '11:06am' | 14:06 |
| timeless | which means that someone isn't paying attn | 14:06 |
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| timeless | grr | 14:07 |
| timeless | "Show offline contacts" | 14:07 |
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| timeless | what would you expect to see as values for such an option? | 14:07 |
| timeless | or | 14:07 |
| timeless | "Notification on new message" <cough> | 14:07 |
| ShadowJK | as for offline contacts: Show, Show in grey, Hide ? | 14:08 |
| timeless | shadowjk: "Offline contacts" + <Show>/<Hide> would make sense, yes | 14:09 |
| ShadowJK | Notification: tick boxes: Led, Vibrate, Sound (choose sound) | 14:09 |
| timeless | meego seems to like <On> and <Off> | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | action | 14:09 |
| ShadowJK | on/off things are only 100% unambigous for the guy who writes the if() in the code | 14:10 |
| ShadowJK | or then not even for him/her | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | but probably "action" isn't gashead-user compatible | 14:11 |
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| ShadowJK | having rows and rows of identical looking on/off knobs looks darn fancy and cool, though | 14:11 |
| timeless | shadowjk: and is absolutely useless | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get a dropdown to select from a set of "macros" (implement them as scripts or binaries) that get called when "new message" | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | power users add own macros as they like | 14:13 |
| timeless | ooh, i'm running 1.2.0.90 (MeeGo) | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no wonder nothing works | 14:15 |
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| timeless | ooh | 14:17 |
| timeless | i got a welcome back program email from PSN | 14:17 |
| timeless | i wonder if i can ask them to remove the bogus account someone created w/ my email address now | 14:17 |
| timeless | the last time i tried they told me they couldn't do anything because their accounts were all down | 14:17 |
| timeless | ... | 14:17 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, it's sony, they'll sue you for identity theft | 14:18 |
| timeless | they stole my identity first! | 14:18 |
| timeless | i want them to stop! | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cool, my laptop's kbd and tp died | 14:20 |
| timeless | alright, just ssh into it! | 14:21 |
| timeless | oh hrm | 14:21 |
| timeless | my ideapad says it's 7:25am | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | usb kbd | 14:21 |
| timeless | the exopc said 11:21am | 14:21 |
| timeless | i wonder what timezone the ideapad is in | 14:22 |
| timeless | s/ideapad/exopc/ | 14:22 |
| infobot | timeless meant: i wonder what timezone the exopc is in | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm happy about the tp | 14:22 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure i don't want to know | 14:22 |
| * timeless goes off to snooze for a bit | 14:22 | |
| * ShadowJK suspects the TZ determines also whether to use am/pm or 24hr | 14:23 | |
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| ShadowJK | but maybe qml overrides that for things using qml | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keymapping | 14:25 |
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| timeless | getting time formatting correct w/ posix is pretty much impossible | 14:38 |
| timeless | actually, getting most formatting stuff right w/ posix is hard if you need to care about real users :) | 14:38 |
| lcuk | timeless, I tried to find a human readable time format | 14:39 |
| lcuk | I think you have seen screenshot of what I ended up with | 14:39 |
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| thp | shouldn't the compliance spec (for meego core) specify versions of packages? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | it does in 1.1 but 1.2's still a 'draft' | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | in practice the repo is the baseline | 15:42 |
| thp | yep, i am reading the 1.2 draft | 15:42 |
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| thp | so when the 1.2 spec will be finalized, the current versions from the repo will just be added there? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | any specific reason you ask? | 15:43 |
| berndhs | how realistic is that, to put a specific version in there? won't versions change due to things like security updates ? | 15:43 |
| thp | i saw python in there (which is good), but there are different versions of python with different capabilities. | 15:44 |
| thp | (i think 2.6 is the current one, though) | 15:44 |
| thp | "current one in meego" | 15:44 |
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| dyrvere | Anyone know when the Calligra-Suite Krita for Meego will be available? | 16:00 |
| dyrvere | like for pads and other touch based devices. | 16:01 |
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| guyzmo | hi | 16:51 |
| guyzmo | got a weird bug, didn't find anything on google | 16:52 |
| guyzmo | when I hit any key on the keyboard | 16:52 |
| guyzmo | it launches the shutdown dialog | 16:52 |
| guyzmo | I have meego 1.2 on a lenovo ideapad s10-3t | 16:53 |
| guyzmo | if you have any idea | 16:53 |
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| dyrvere | guyzmo: Hm, no idea here. So any button calls up the shutdown dialog? | 17:10 |
| dyrvere | switch keyboard layout and see if it makes any difference? | 17:12 |
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| berndhs | is there a separate bugzilla for build.pub.meego.com ? | 17:45 |
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| mikeleib | w00t: | 18:09 |
| w00t | mikeleib: o/ | 18:09 |
| mikeleib | w00t: wrt to merge request-- can you add comment it bug to explore it | 18:09 |
| w00t | the memory use one? | 18:10 |
| mikeleib | yeah | 18:10 |
| w00t | will do | 18:10 |
| mikeleib | I need to test it in the office with a target system. I have vnc to it- but visual artifacts are hard to see that way | 18:10 |
| w00t | *nod* | 18:10 |
| mikeleib | I also am playing with changing the update modes before and after we switch to/from/gl | 18:11 |
| mikeleib | notsure if it does much | 18:11 |
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| w00t | commented | 18:13 |
| mikeleib | thanks | 18:13 |
| w00t | I wish I knew what was wrong with the exo.. heh.. | 18:13 |
| w00t | it makes debugging difficult | 18:13 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: can you test that on yours? start e.g. 'qmlviewer' from ssh, and note how the screen stops updating until you kill X | 18:14 |
| w00t | (works with 'qmlviewer -opengl', so something really weird is going on) | 18:14 |
| mikeleib | you get a white screen that won't go away until you kill X? | 18:15 |
| dm8tbr | I tried qmlviewer once and got a grey screen | 18:15 |
| w00t | mikeleib: no | 18:15 |
| w00t | whatever content raster draws once, gets drawn forever | 18:15 |
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| w00t | even after I kill the application | 18:15 |
| mikeleib | hrm | 18:15 |
| w00t | it stays that way until I kill X | 18:16 |
| mikeleib | Xbu ? | 18:16 |
| w00t | it's not a meego-ux problem, because as I say, qmlviewer triggers it too | 18:16 |
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| w00t | xbu? | 18:16 |
| mikeleib | s/Xbu/Xbug/? | 18:16 |
| w00t | ah | 18:16 |
| w00t | yes, that's my theory.. I'm wondering if it's my image or what | 18:16 |
| w00t | I guess I need to figure out how to update to latest 1.2 | 18:16 |
| w00t | need to find the right repos for that | 18:17 |
| mikeleib | me too | 18:17 |
| mikeleib | my system is all half baked except for my target. and that's a pain b/c I have to reflash it every day or so w/ 5.6 gig images | 18:18 |
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| w00t | exactly | 18:18 |
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| * mikeleib ought to see if he can get some of this testing tooling open sourced | 18:23 | |
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| w00t | testing tooling? ooh? :) | 18:25 |
| Venemo | what MeeGo seriously needs is some products that are based on it | 18:26 |
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| mikeleib | w00t: the tooling is not particularly fancy, but it just automates some things that are a pain | 18:27 |
| mikeleib | I have a tool called rebooter that runs test scripts and reboots the system | 18:27 |
| mikeleib | and I have a tool called memeater, which mallocs/mlocks pages until it drives you to swap | 18:27 |
| mikeleib | and then some scripts to measure the output | 18:27 |
| w00t | *nod* | 18:28 |
| mikeleib | It's the sort of crap that isn't worth mentioning much except that I can't just post it on the web unless I get open source approval | 18:28 |
| w00t | (get an n900 instead... you don't need any tool there *g*) | 18:28 |
| mikeleib | well. measuring free memory is not something that is really directly measurable | 18:29 |
| w00t | mikeleib: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-tools/ contains some interesting gems that are probably usable in a meego context btw :) | 18:29 |
| mikeleib | you have to exhaust all the memory and see when the kernel gives up on you | 18:29 |
| mikeleib | hrm | 18:29 |
| mikeleib | spiffy | 18:30 |
| w00t | (sp-endurance might be relevant to you for instance) | 18:30 |
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| mikeleib | yeah | 18:31 |
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| mikeleib | these tools look really useful | 18:32 |
| w00t | there is a learning curve.. but the things that can be done with them is *incredible* | 18:32 |
| mikeleib | sooper | 18:33 |
| hiemanshu | is it possible to multi boot meego and maemo at the same time using on the emmc | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, emmc install is destructive | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | get a microsd | 18:33 |
| dm8tbr | get class 6 or better | 18:33 |
| mikeleib | I'd like to get automated regression testing going for some of these things-- I feel like time goes by and we get surprised by the results | 18:33 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: or I could run only meego on the N900? | 18:34 |
| w00t | mikeleib: *nod* | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | mikeleib: talk to the qa tools people | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | they are really open to ideas | 18:35 |
| mikeleib | we have a performance-qa team as well | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | they implemented power measurement and graphing on qa-reports in really short time | 18:35 |
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| mikeleib | argh.. I gotta figure out why my screen keeps blanking every two minutes | 18:39 |
| w00t | :| | 18:40 |
| * mikeleib kills upowerd and wonders what will hapen | 18:40 | |
| mikeleib | not even sure what upowerd is | 18:40 |
| mikeleib | some part of device kit it seems | 18:41 |
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| dyrvere | Abstraction for enumerating power devices, listening to device events and querying history and statistics | 18:43 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: I'm neither pregnant nor just had it. Mrs lcuk is due, IIRC. | 19:02 |
| w00t | haha | 19:03 |
| lcuk2 | see facebook. | 19:03 |
| w00t | Jaffa: bit of lag? ;) | 19:03 |
| Jaffa | w00t: Caused by being out in my hat :-) | 19:03 |
| alterego | Jaffa: I know, I realised that ;) | 19:03 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk2: Oooh, false alarm presumably. Unless you & Tracy are updating Facebook from the hospital :-) | 19:04 |
| lcuk2 | lol jaffa | 19:04 |
| silver_hook | Hullo | 19:04 |
| lcuk2 | practice contractions | 19:04 |
| silver_hook | Was just wondering whether MeeGo uses just Linux as a kernel, or the whole GNU/Linux stack? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: it uses a large portion of gnu/linux | 19:05 |
| alterego | silver_hook: the whole gnu linux stack | 19:05 |
| lcuk2 | silver_hook, Linux himself uses ssh into every machine and personally uses a sliderule and pencil to compile the running code. | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: there's gnu coreutils, bash, etc | 19:05 |
| silver_hook | Thank you :] | 19:05 |
| lcuk2 | s/Linux/Linus/ | 19:05 |
| infobot | lcuk2 meant: silver_hook, Linus himself uses ssh into every machine and personally uses a sliderule and pencil to compile the running code. | 19:05 |
| alterego | That's why it is better than android *cough* :) | 19:05 |
| silver_hook | alterego: That's why I'm asking ;) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: but! meego is not 100% like other distros, it's more tuned towards product making | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: so in short it's lean and mean Qt stack | 19:06 |
| silver_hook | Yeah, a meta-distro, let's say. | 19:06 |
| jarkko^ | i would call yocto, openembedded etc as meta distro | 19:07 |
| jarkko^ | but not meego necessarily | 19:07 |
| lcuk2 | is it a Kdistro or a Qdistro? | 19:07 |
| lcuk2 | for that matter, why isn't it called Qmeego | 19:08 |
| jarkko^ | meego is distro dilated towards mobile apps | 19:08 |
| berndhs | I think bergie's term "industrial" fits fairly well | 19:08 |
| alterego | jarkko^: not really mobile :P | 19:09 |
| alterego | berndhs: agree | 19:09 |
| alterego | I' | 19:09 |
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| silver_hook | Would this be OK: | 19:09 |
| arfoll | can't we settle for embedded distro? | 19:09 |
| alterego | I'm hacking together an internet enabled pub/bar oriented gaming system based on MeeGo and QML | 19:09 |
| silver_hook | A very good rationale what MeeGo is about and how it differs from e.g. Android/Linux. Basically MeeGo is a full GNU/Linux meta-distribution with Qt in its default stack, created as a common ground for businesses to tailor it for their end-products. | 19:09 |
| alterego | I wonder if I can get Rovio to release angry birds for it :D | 19:09 |
| lcuk2 | keep the angry birds on the other side of the bar | 19:10 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | the beer is for men. | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | silver_hook, that sounds reasonable | 19:10 |
| berndhs | angry birds should only be allowed if humans can have shotguns | 19:10 |
| alterego | I don't even like these bar game machines, but it seems like a good use case for developing a custom meego instance. | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | what is the fastest build of a new OS to date? | 19:11 |
| lcuk2 | which has gone from 0 to effective full use | 19:11 |
| silver_hook | lcuk2: Thank you :] Will feature it in the next Free Software & Law news update and wanted to make sure I get it right. | 19:11 |
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| alterego | silver_hook: thanks for doing the research, seems a lot of people don't get it ;) | 19:12 |
| lcuk | now for those that did: how the hell do the required full os components go together | 19:12 |
| * lcuk has considered a superset of templates for longest time | 19:13 | |
| silver_hook | alterego: Sure thing! :) | 19:13 |
| lcuk | I notice Windows are calling their elements "tiles" | 19:13 |
| lcuk | liqtile used to be the layout routines | 19:13 |
| lcuk | before they became organic and grew up into cells :) | 19:14 |
| silver_hook | I just read Henri Bergius' blog post about it and thought it was more then worth speaking about it. | 19:14 |
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| silver_hook | I wish there were some MeeGo phones out there already though ...I was really looking forward to it for years :\ | 19:15 |
| lcuk | silver_hook, is that like being a developer with 10 years experience in a language created last year? | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | what specifically from meego were you waiting for? | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: like an android dev with 5 years experience? /me saw a job posting for that | 19:16 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:16 |
| berndhs | hey, its been 1.4 years now :) | 19:16 |
| dyrvere | The N9 will be one of the meego devices, or am I wrong? | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | eh? I read its the N950 | 19:17 |
| berndhs | dyrvere: yes. It will be, or you're wrong :) | 19:17 |
| dyrvere | btw, does the core meego Wifi app save passwords yet? | 19:17 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I'm heading home bbiab | 19:18 |
| dyrvere | It's one of the reason Meego 1.0 wasn't useful, network manager does not save the password for the next session. | 19:18 |
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| GAN900 | hiemanshu, that was for illustrative purposes re: market placement, not actually an indication of what it would be called. | 19:19 |
| berndhs | what difference does it make what they will call it ? | 19:19 |
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| silver_hook | lcuk: Hehe, naaaah, I really wanted a Maemo Nokia phone ...but then, yeah. | 19:22 |
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| dyrvere | tiles, elements, plasmoids.. hm | 19:23 |
| silver_hook | Have you considered WICD instead of NM? | 19:23 |
| dyrvere | does it have any compability issues currently? Last time I checked it lost connection from time to time. | 19:25 |
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| silver_hook | dyrvere: WICD? Dunno, I stopped using it because it didn't support yet WPA2 Enterprise, which I needed for EduRoam. But apart from that, I was happier with it then NM. | 19:26 |
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| mwichmann | connman does support wpa2 enterprise | 19:29 |
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| dyrvere | Ahh, good stuff. Actually need WPA2 ent at work. | 19:29 |
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| w00t | 'lo mwichmann | 19:32 |
| mwichmann | hello | 19:32 |
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| dyrvere | but, the wpa password save for connman, is it in yet? :p | 19:36 |
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| sofar | arfoll: told you the RSS feed always ticking... =D | 19:47 |
| arfoll | sofar, cpu gain isn't awesome, but at this stage i will take anything ;-) | 19:48 |
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| sofar | I'm sad that in idle with screensaver on, I can't get xbmc below 2% | 19:48 |
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| sofar | that's 2% on a core2 | 19:48 |
| sofar | not atom :() | 19:48 |
| arfoll | i just wish I had a CE4170... yeah xbmc idle sucks | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's probably trying indexing files or something | 19:49 |
| arfoll | although i've got idle to something like 1% on CE4150 when launching an external app! | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | strace? | 19:49 |
| w00t | wow, 1.2.0.90 tablet is awesome | 19:49 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: ^ | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | i know, i use it on my joggler | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | bogna crashed it within 2 min | 19:50 |
| w00t | yeah, still not perfect | 19:50 |
| w00t | i have a nonworking browser | 19:50 |
| w00t | X still screws up with non-GL applications, sadly | 19:51 |
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| dyrvere | hm, can meego run on a Core 2 Duo desktop PC? xD | 19:54 |
| sofar | yes, permitted it has intel gfx | 19:54 |
| dyrvere | oh.. Core i7 even then I guess. | 19:55 |
| sofar | works too, just need to have onboard intel GFX | 19:55 |
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| gabrbedd | doesn't the i7 have built-in graphics? | 20:04 |
| gabrbedd | (like an atom) | 20:04 |
| lcuk | any chance I could have a few more followers on http://twitter.com/lcuk please | 20:13 |
| lcuk | (I am trying to find out if twitter is still sending out emails) | 20:14 |
| w00t | suuure suure, that's what they all say :P | 20:16 |
| lcuk | w00t, it is the "... is now following you on twitter" | 20:17 |
| lcuk | my follower count increases daily but I haven't seen any of those mails in a while | 20:17 |
| lcuk | since they changed them I tihnk | 20:17 |
| hiemanshu | does Meego have built in support for PyQt apps? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | hiemanshu, I believe python itself was not a full part of meego until recently | 20:24 |
| javispedro | lcuk: there's a notifications section in twitter settings, have you checked it? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | not sure if it is required for complience still | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, yes | 20:25 |
| lcuk | but I noticed the change first | 20:25 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: well I see it is there now, so is there a way to get it working? I am a PyQt dev, and well I can learn a lot and help development | 20:25 |
| mikhas | hiemanshu, I've heard that PySide > PyQt, wrt. MeeGo | 20:25 |
| lcuk | it could just be that a load of follower flip floppers are readding and hence not resending the email | 20:25 |
| hiemanshu | mikhas: ah, PySide isn't really that different from PyQt | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, sure | 20:26 |
| mikhas | the showstopper so far seems the additional image size, if either PyQt or PySide were included in the MeeGo images | 20:26 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:26 |
| lcuk | I get all other mails | 20:26 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 20:26 |
| lcuk | and my follower count increases | 20:26 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: NEWS FLASH! Time to fear bean sprouts. | 20:27 |
| hiemanshu | mikhas: how big is the difference? | 20:27 |
| mikhas | dont have the numbers, sorry | 20:27 |
| lcuk | mikhas, meego n900 images are designed to fit inside 4gb cards | 20:27 |
| lcuk | how much extra download bandwidth does it need | 20:27 |
| mikhas | lcuk, I find the CD image size silly myself, too | 20:27 |
| lcuk | I find that a reasonable thing personally | 20:28 |
| mikhas | you still use CD's? | 20:28 |
| hiemanshu | eh, what are CDs? | 20:28 |
| mikhas | exactly | 20:28 |
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| berndhs | gabrbedd: ah I feel better now | 20:28 |
| lcuk | mikhas, I have a cd image of meego 1.1 | 20:29 |
| lcuk | as well as lovely usb key from dublin | 20:29 |
| hiemanshu | mikhas: according to the package list of the image, it has pyside included | 20:29 |
| lcuk | (actual key shaped with shamrock) | 20:29 |
| hiemanshu | mikhas: http://bit.ly/kCVvJr | 20:29 |
| mikhas | hiemanshu, the developer edition has | 20:29 |
| mikhas | not official MeeGo image | 20:30 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 20:30 |
| hiemanshu | I have been using python so much, I am too lazy to start learning C/C++ | 20:31 |
| alterego | It does take a while to master C/C++ if you've only been using interpreted languages all your life :P | 20:31 |
| berndhs | alterego: but its worth it | 20:32 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, which memo btw? :P | 20:32 |
| hiemanshu | I am barely 21 :P I have been using python for about 2 years now, I could always learn C/C++ | 20:32 |
| maligor | well, logic is still the same, it's just the memory management | 20:32 |
| alterego | berndhs: definitely | 20:32 |
| alterego | hiemanshu: I'd do it before you hit thirty ;) | 20:33 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: The e-mail is the memo. | 20:33 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: didja get the e-mail? | 20:33 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I'll send you a copy of that e-mail. | 20:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:33 |
| lcuk | I got the email | 20:33 |
| * alterego contemplates QML and network transparency .. | 20:34 | |
| * maligor contemplates using QML to rewrite the linux kernel | 20:34 | |
| alterego | I want to write an SMS UI that is fed from my N900 to whatever device I choose over the network. | 20:34 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: maybe I should start now | 20:35 |
| alterego | But now I'm going to research writing a QML browser plugin. | 20:35 |
| alterego | For firefox .. | 20:35 |
| gabrbedd | maligor: emacs needs a QML rewrite, too. | 20:35 |
| maligor | alterego, in whitespace? | 20:35 |
| maligor | gabrbedd, yes, true, I shall work on it using vim | 20:36 |
| alterego | I guess totem is the only FOSS plugin I can think of to see how it's done .. | 20:37 |
| mikhas | I feel that python backend and qml should be our app developer story, not c++ backend and qml. | 20:37 |
| alterego | Though even just registering qml viewer for application/qml is a good start for my idea. | 20:37 |
| akk | The python/qml developer story needs a prequel, on what python packages will be available. | 20:39 |
| maligor | mikhas, I'm not really sure if that makes sense | 20:41 |
| maligor | python isn't exactly fast | 20:41 |
| maligor | I'm not terribly sure about Qt's ECMA Script performance | 20:41 |
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| w00t | mikhas: do i misremember, or did you do some hackery to the vkb to make it use the full horizontal screen width? | 20:43 |
| w00t | mikhas: where did those patches/work end up? | 20:43 |
| alterego | Is their a maliit ppa? | 20:43 |
| alterego | there .. | 20:43 |
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| maligor | intel just needs to make a python accelerator x86 isa extension | 20:44 |
| thiago_home | maligor: it's fast and getting faster (with V8) | 20:45 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: the problem with python+qml instead of c+++qml (heh) is that you don't interpreted+interpreted | 20:45 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: if you're going to use something else than QML (which is interpreted), it's usually because of performance requirements. Then go native. | 20:46 |
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| * lcuk sighs heavily | 20:51 | |
| alterego | Wassup lcuk? | 20:54 |
| CosmoHill | sup? | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | alterego, isketch | 20:57 |
| lcuk | when I talked about irc with sketching everybody goes "nahh crap" | 20:58 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:58 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:58 |
| lcuk | yeah "heh" is it, but the amount of apps and core pieces I have gotten started in liqbase and given some assistance would have polished and finished on Nokia/MeeGo would be amazingly awesome | 20:59 |
| lcuk | so I am a bit miffed | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | very incomplete sketching irc client is liqtactoe in maemo | 21:00 |
| alterego | Oo, new series of topgear? | 21:04 |
| Mek | konversation has whiteboard(sketching)-over-dcc support too | 21:04 |
| lcuk | Mek, group sketching or 1:1 | 21:06 |
| dyrvere | really? | 21:06 |
| Mek | lcuk: http://buscher.zxq.net/2010/01/konversation-%E2%80%93-introducing-dcc-whiteboard/ | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | mek cool | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | Mek, this is group conversations (not irc, but LAN based using OpenSoundControl) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG | 21:09 |
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| vldcnst | he has 2 n900! | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | vldcnst, 3 | 21:10 |
| alterego | I've got 3 too :) | 21:10 |
| alterego | And, all of mine have USB ports .. | 21:10 |
| alterego | How about yours lcuk? :) | 21:10 |
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| vldcnst | haha | 21:10 |
| lcuk | 2/3 | 21:11 |
| Mek | only one of my 2 has a usb port | 21:11 |
| alterego | ^.^ | 21:11 |
| * alterego is #winning :P | 21:11 | |
| lcuk | alterego, I have other family members that also have devices | 21:11 |
| alterego | Yeah, my brother has one too | 21:11 |
| vldcnst | 2 I understand, but 3? | 21:11 |
| alterego | I've got a few friends that have them as well. | 21:11 |
| * lcuk notes that one device should be elsewhere and heads to post office tomorrow | 21:11 | |
| lcuk | vldcnst, one I cannot and do not use. | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | main phone and test device are the others | 21:12 |
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| alterego | Do you still have that N9? :P | 21:13 |
| lcuk | ? | 21:13 |
| alterego | nvm | 21:13 |
| * lcuk would not hint at anything unreleased | 21:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | i want the N9000 Titanium Edition | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | with MeeGo 3.0 | 21:14 |
| alterego | So, I bought this domain yesterday: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/ | 21:14 |
| alterego | Gonna have to find some time to properly develop it. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | yesterday? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | who owns meegouk twitter account? | 21:14 |
| alterego | Oh, friday actually .. | 21:14 |
| alterego | I dunno, I got MeeGoNetworkUK | 21:14 |
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| alterego | Hey DawnFoster \o | 21:16 |
| alterego | Having fun with the family? ;) | 21:16 |
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| claudio_ | hi | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 21:28 |
| claudio_ | my first time here | 21:29 |
| vldcnst | hi | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | hi | 21:29 |
| claudio_ | going through the tutorials and trying to install Meego on my N900 | 21:29 |
| * alterego starts working on QML mapping .. | 21:29 | |
| gabrbedd | alterego: you mean like... point A to point B mapping? | 21:30 |
| alterego | I don't know yet :P | 21:31 |
| alterego | I'm investigating. | 21:31 |
| alterego | But that's navigation, not mapping | 21:31 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I kinda meant as opposed to computer science mapping. | 21:33 |
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| alterego | Hah | 21:34 |
| alterego | Okay :) | 21:34 |
| alterego | I'm very confused, I've charged up a battery in one N900 the other day, but it wont even startup now O_O | 21:34 |
| claudio_ | Does the battery charging work with the latest Meego handset release? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | claudio_: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 21:37 |
| claudio_ | thx :-) | 21:37 |
| claudio_ | I read there "The eMMC currently has a severe performance problem, bug #18295", do you think I can still use it as a main phone? | 21:39 |
| claudio_ | i was planning to install it on the eMMC | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | claudio_: well, meego n900 isn't a consumer product, so it's really for developers - we're doing an effort to make it possible to use it as a day to day phone | 21:40 |
| claudio_ | well, I wan't to develop | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | alright then | 21:40 |
| claudio_ | But I'm a Java web developer | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'd recommend you to look at videos of the SF2011 release of MeeGo DE - i would really recommend trying meego out on a microsd card first | 21:41 |
| claudio_ | I'm ready to learn QT and I was planning to start by creating some apps | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | eMMC will make it unable to coexist with maemo, so maemo won't work | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, I hear this X is not a real distro, n900-de is not for end users etc | 21:42 |
| claudio_ | I'm ready to abandon Maemo if Meego is already usable... even if still buggy | 21:42 |
| lcuk | how big a gap in real terms is it to stabilise any of these things | 21:42 |
| lcuk | I know we are getting solid improvements for everything | 21:42 |
| lcuk | but for it to be described so often | 21:42 |
| lcuk | makes me wonder just how if we documented the steps necessary we could make meego ready for end users | 21:42 |
| lcuk | and ready for more than developers | 21:43 |
| lcuk | for instance, we do not generally include codecs inside the images | 21:43 |
| alterego | I think we can expect to be "power user" ready by october | 21:44 |
| lcuk | but the netbook build happily plays mp3s | 21:44 |
| lcuk | errr it might not hang on, mixing up machines | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: errr.. netbook shouldn't | 21:44 |
| lcuk | ^^ yeah sorry | 21:44 |
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| alterego | I think right now we're at a stage where developers can hack it | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: try to use meego n900 de for a day and make a user writeup of experiences | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | as your primary device | 21:44 |
| akk | It's very hackable. Not very usable yet (at least tablet). | 21:45 |
| alterego | :) | 21:45 |
| alterego | Tablet is a completely different story :P | 21:45 |
| alterego | I think the biggest thing I'll miss is conboy | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | conboy was cornelius hald's, right? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah, i need conboy too :P | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | tablet's improving at an alarming rate though | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | whoever is whipping you tablet guys are doing a good job ;) | 21:46 |
| alterego | Well, tablet has Intel pushing it hard. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | the music player knows it is mp3 | 21:46 |
| lcuk | the music player can extract the tags and album info | 21:46 |
| alterego | We have the DE team, which has helped no end in giving us goals | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | the music player cannot actively play it though | 21:46 |
| alterego | As well as pushing for maemo components. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I use the n900-de every day | 21:47 |
| lcuk | and I talk about it here | 21:47 |
| lcuk | with devs | 21:47 |
| CosmoHill | I swear my email client removes all it's content and redownloads it all from the server | 21:47 |
| lcuk | and try to get the bugs to day-day usage sorted | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, but i mean like.. go outside the lab ;) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | wifi networking is a MUST for me | 21:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, :) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | I am unable to without wifi | 21:47 |
| alterego | Indeed | 21:47 |
| alterego | And a working terminal ;) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | but I know more than most | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | that should be coming quite soon | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | according to quim | 21:48 |
| lcuk | because I am one pushing for it to be upgradable | 21:48 |
| hiemanshu | so there seems to be a problem with the meego installer script for the N900, even though I get Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy, it says flashing done on the next line and installation fails | 21:48 |
| lcuk | you cannot "use" day to day if the additions you make are wiped out the next day by daily-testing images | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: sounds like a good task for you to get into | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | make SSU functionality | 21:48 |
| lcuk | there are only so many times I will type in the contacts entries | 21:48 |
| lcuk | or a todo list or other things | 21:48 |
| lcuk | I know Stskeeps ! | 21:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 21:48 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I am very much behind this - it ties in with the backup/restore/import stuff too | 21:49 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if xv worked I would have even more things | 21:49 |
| alterego | I keep saying I'll write vcard import/export | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | right, let's get some code on the table then and a design wiki | 21:50 |
| alterego | But everytime someone says, don't bother, I think it's being worked on :P | 21:50 |
| lcuk | more reasons to actively use it | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: hmm. | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: point me to someone who says 'don't bother', as i'm not aware of one | 21:50 |
| alterego | Or "someone said something about doing that" | 21:50 |
| alterego | I might just do it now. | 21:50 |
| alterego | It'd probably take me like 30 minutes to have a crap prototype. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I talk in realtime better and would be better to talk with someone to do the writeups, it worked very well when I worked with araujo :) | 21:51 |
| hiemanshu | is meego on the N900 really really slow or is it would be my phone? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: first boot is always very very slow | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: it collects data for fast next boots | 21:51 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: no, I mean, it isn't really opening any apps properly | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: launch times are not good, what class SD? | 21:52 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: eMMC | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | see bug 18295 | 21:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18295 nor, Undecided, ---, carsten, NEW, [DE] [N900] eMMC performance is significantly worse than in Maemo | 21:53 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, MeeGo terminal had some issues with N900DE, works OK in tablet UX though. | 21:56 |
| mikhas | I'll try to look into that this week. | 21:56 |
| mikhas | Would have been so nice if we could have presented it for the conference. Oh well, bad timing. | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: indeed - you're one of the authors or? | 21:57 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, no, but been working together with the author. | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:58 |
| mikhas | (I have the sources though) | 21:58 |
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| mikhas | Oh BTW, get your own MeeGon: appupavatar.com | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, http://liqbase.net/appupavatar.com_lcuk.meego.avatar.png | 22:03 |
| alterego | That's the website I've been looking for! | 22:04 |
| lcuk | from last weekish | 22:04 |
| mikhas | lcuk, no pet? | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, i have a totem | 22:06 |
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| leinir | Mmm, specilationtastic ;) http://technomoblion.com/2011/06/05/nokias-n950n9-will-be-announced-june-21st-at-nokia-connection-2011/ | 22:14 |
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| leinir | (be fun if it was, that's my birthday ;) ) | 22:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:15 |
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| vldcnst | http://i.imgur.com/vZWFh.png | 22:19 |
| vldcnst | haha | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 22:20 |
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| leinir | Ha! Nice ;) | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | can i get that as a poster? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | "MeeGo: We will rule ze world soon" | 22:22 |
| alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/my-meegon.png | 22:24 |
| alterego | There's mine :) | 22:24 |
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| Stskeeps | looks like you | 22:24 |
| alterego | :) | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | except for the beard | 22:24 |
| alterego | You should see me this morning :P | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | true, conferences are typically a place where people have done an effort to look okay | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | debconf not inclued | 22:27 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:27 |
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| * alterego wonders what slideshare is .. | 22:28 | |
| alterego | Oh, presentation sharing website, interesting .. | 22:28 |
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| alterego | I'm somewhat skeptical that the Harmattan device will be announced at Nokia Connection, it's possible, but no community members will be there. | 22:42 |
| alterego | Seems a bit crazy .. | 22:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | They don't want those sort of people there. | 22:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | They're wierd, and ask awkward questions. | 22:46 |
| alterego | :) | 22:46 |
| alterego | Like, "Is it compatible with MeeGo?" | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Like 'Why is it covered in sapphires and aligator hide, and $28000' | 22:46 |
| alterego | "Will it be upgradeable to MeeGo"? | 22:46 |
| alterego | "Will it dual boot Android?" | 22:46 |
| alterego | "Can we over clock it?" | 22:47 |
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| CosmoHill | Mail (mac OS X) | 23:02 |
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| anab1s | dm8tb: ping | 23:03 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: thx | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | (still downloading) | 23:04 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, anab1s is looking for you | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | anab1s: ah, you truncated my nick, sorry didn't see it | 23:11 |
| anab1s | dm8tbr: oops | 23:11 |
| anab1s | dm8tbr: vgrade says you could help with uploading some image files | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | anab1s: the rules are very simple: always include the kickstart file, if there are closed source binaries - they have to be redistributable, the filename starts with 'mg' NOT 'meego' | 23:14 |
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| dm8tbr | the latter is necessary until we get bug 13516 resolved | 23:15 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" | 23:15 |
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| anab1s | dm8tbr: all right | 23:16 |
| dm8tbr | details see privmsg | 23:16 |
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| dm8tbr | btw: everyone is invited to vote for bugs 17570 13516 10738 | 23:19 |
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| dm8tbr | let's try again, bug 17570 13516 10738 | 23:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc | 23:20 |
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| dm8tbr | hrm | 23:20 |
| dm8tbr | bug 13516 bug 10738 | 23:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" | 23:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 23:20 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 23:20 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk! http://www.maplin.co.uk/robotic-arm-kit-with-usb-pc-interface-266257 | 23:33 |
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| vldcnst | expensive | 23:42 |
| dyrvere | where would one send bug reports for the flashplugin, I can't find any support section on Adobes site. | 23:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Flaah plugin on what? | 23:42 |
| alterego | dyrvere: email them :) | 23:43 |
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| dyrvere | ok, thanks :) | 23:43 |
| alterego | Whilst you're at it, tell them they should have a public bug tracker :) | 23:43 |
| dyrvere | Linux in general. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | They used to alterego. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't they still? | 23:43 |
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| alterego | Dunno | 23:44 |
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| dyrvere | yeah not when I was using the beta of 10.3, no bugtracker available for me. | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, fwded to people in charge of Fathers day stuff ;) | 23:55 |
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