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| berndhs | bacon, not sprouts ! | 01:06 |
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| dyrvere | mmmm, bacon. | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | mmm bacon. | 01:11 |
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| lbt | bacon, avacado and mayonaise.... tomorrow | 01:23 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:32 |
| berndhs | night | 01:32 |
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| CosmoHill | hayfever still sucks | 01:33 |
| berndhs | it does | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/04/07/qml-perfomance-monitor/ | 01:38 |
| lcuk | just because I refound it | 01:38 |
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| dyrvere | mayonaise, is good for you. | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | As part of a balanced diet, yes. | 02:03 |
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| dyrvere | btw, Icculus is the go-to-guy for porting games to GNU/Linux, anyone else doing that but him these days? | 02:06 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | This http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/understanding_meego/ is awesome, in case anyone missed it. Strikes precisely the right tone. | 04:56 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Big up to you, bergie. | 04:57 |
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| * gabrbedd posts link on FB... | 05:01 | |
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| gabrbedd | any dbus wizards around? | 05:46 |
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| gabrbedd | This doesn't work for me... dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=unix:path=/tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus /com/meego/inputmethod/uiserver1 com.meego.inputmethod.uiserver1.showInputMethod | 05:48 |
| gabrbedd | Fails an assert | 05:48 |
| gabrbedd | Is it valid to put a socket path for --dest ?? | 05:49 |
| berndhs | on my f15 it dumps core | 05:49 |
| berndhs | it shoulnd work, the arguments are nonsense on f15, but not dump core | 05:50 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: yeah, I get a core as well. | 05:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, did Nomovok release any source? | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | wmarone_, see that? | 05:58 |
| wmarone_ | yeah I saw that | 05:58 |
| wmarone_ | kinda hard to compete with someone paid to work on it ;) | 05:58 |
| wmarone_ | and I haven't seen anything yet | 05:58 |
| gabrbedd | see what? | 05:59 |
| wmarone_ | gabrbedd: Novomok ported MeeGo to the Nook Color | 06:00 |
| gabrbedd | Ah. | 06:01 |
| berndhs | very commendable | 06:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wmarone_, well, yeah, but I figure there must be some way we can benefit from it. :P | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No source, though. :< | 06:16 |
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| wmarone_ | yeah | 06:17 |
| wmarone_ | doesn't do us any good unless they release at least the kernel sources | 06:17 |
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| wmarone_ | since I'm assuming that means they ported the necessary (non-SGX) bits to 2.6.35 or 2.6.37 | 06:17 |
| wmarone_ | or (worse) backported stuff to 2.6.29/32 | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better damn release them. | 06:19 |
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| wmarone_ | GeneralAntilles: are you on twitter? | 06:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wmarone_: GeneralAntilles, yes. | 06:26 |
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| bergie | thanks, Alison_Chaiken | 07:05 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | bergie, your writing is convincing and credible because you don't claim that success is assured or that MeeGo is the answer to all problems. | 07:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That would just be a sign of brain damage. | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'morning, bergie. :) | 07:10 |
| akk | I'm curious about the "MeeGo Community Apps" mentioned -- I know about OBS but is there more info on the web frontend and client application? | 07:10 |
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| akk | (mentioned in bergie's article) | 07:11 |
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| smoku | akk, http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-02-01-19.59.html | 07:14 |
| akk | smoku: So, it doesn't actually exist, but it was decided in February that eventually there should be one? | 07:16 |
| smoku | There are some efforts on the backend and some hacking on the frontend side. But you need to ask the people involved for details. I think Dawn knows more. | 07:17 |
| akk | So bergie might be jumping the gun a little in saying it already exists. | 07:19 |
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| smoku | "the upcoming" means exactly opposite ;P | 07:22 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | I posted a thing about the outdated front page of meego.com in the forum, but no action. Who can change that page? | 07:25 |
| dm8tbr | GonzoTheGreat: the conference still up there? | 07:26 |
| * dm8tbr checks and LOLs hard | 07:26 | |
| GonzoTheGreat | "Register for the MeeGo conference today!" | 07:27 |
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| Stskeeps | GonzoTheGreat: bugs.meego.com is a good start :P | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | or poking DawnFoster | 07:29 |
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| * dm8tbr is filing a bug at bugs.meego.com right now | 07:30 | |
| * GonzoTheGreat thinks yet another registration page | 07:30 | |
| GonzoTheGreat | thanks dm8tbr | 07:31 |
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| dm8tbr | bug 18613 | 07:34 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18613 cri, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, meego.com still shows SF Conference registration on front page | 07:34 |
| dm8tbr | GonzoTheGreat: your meego.com account should work IIRC | 07:35 |
| GonzoTheGreat | it does. It was premature frustration | 07:36 |
| GonzoTheGreat | yet another login page... | 07:36 |
| dm8tbr | yep | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | at least we have fairly working SSU, compared to maemo.org | 07:36 |
| dm8tbr | btw: you're not the first one to notice/complain - Others did so before here, including me. | 07:37 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: well, waaaay to go if meego wants to be "that linux based BUSINESS thing". just saying | 07:37 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | And not integrated with the main meego page... | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: unupdated webpage sucks, agreed | 07:38 |
| GonzoTheGreat | not even a back link | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: in fact, i advocate razing most of it | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:38 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: for more openness? SCNR *duck* *run* | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: stating some things up front would be good | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | SCNR? | 07:39 |
| iekku | good morning | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 07:39 |
| dm8tbr | sorry, couldn't resist = SCNR | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 07:39 |
| * Stskeeps is so on the wrong side of his morning | 07:39 | |
| iekku | Stskeeps, coming here tomorrow, i assume? | 07:39 |
| * GonzoTheGreat is on the wrong side of his afternoon | 07:40 | |
| Stskeeps | iekku: flying at around 13.20 from here | 07:40 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, ok :) | 07:41 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: hmmm? | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: people noting meego.com frontpage looks out of date, due to "Register for the meego conference today" etc | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | (bug 18613) | 07:45 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18613 cri, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, meego.com still shows SF Conference registration on front page | 07:45 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: ah, we're going to replace it with a watch the videos graphic tomorrow when the rest of the videos go up | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, good | 07:45 |
| bergie | akk: http://apps-beta.meego.com/applications/ | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | morn andre__ | 08:23 |
| andre__ | heja Stskeeps! | 08:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good morning MeeGoists :) | 09:15 |
| iekku | good morning Venemo_N900 :) | 09:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 09:19 |
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| Santosh | Hello.. i was working in meego Netbook and i had socket connection issues and I reboot meego.. | 09:34 |
| Santosh | now it is not loading the UI | 09:35 |
| Santosh | if i check /var/log/messages it shows.. | 09:35 |
| Santosh | GLIB-CRITICAL Could nt create files | 09:35 |
| Santosh | could not connect to socket | 09:35 |
| Santosh | etc | 09:35 |
| Santosh | what is wrong.. can somebody help to fix the issue pls? | 09:36 |
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| Santosh | Also it switches between terminal window, to UI.. (C+A+F7). .so i guess the init script runs recursively | 09:37 |
| Santosh | however fails to load UI due to some permission / misconfiguration// | 09:37 |
| Santosh | ?? | 09:37 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I've always wanted to ask, how can someone obtain one of those ideapads that were given away in the meego conf? | 09:38 |
| dm8tbr | you can buy them, I hear | 09:38 |
| dm8tbr | or could, dunno if that's still possible | 09:38 |
| dm8tbr | alternative: attend app-up event, push button, receive bacon^wExoPC | 09:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | I didn't hear as much good about the exopc as I did about the ideapad | 09:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | "you can buy them" - if I could, I wouldn't be asking | 09:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | where is this app-up event going to be? | 09:41 |
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| Santosh | Hi has somebody come across the issue i just discussed? any clue? | 09:44 |
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| tomeu | Santosh: you have to provide more detailed information if anyone is going to be able to help you | 09:49 |
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| Santosh | tomeu, I have pasted /var/log/messages here http://pastebin.com/6YSnFjkQ | 09:51 |
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| tomeu | Santosh: looks like the kind of problems one gets after running trying to run too many things as root | 09:53 |
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| Santosh | tomeu, ok i ran empathy as root in my previous session | 09:53 |
| Santosh | tomeu, how can i fix this? | 09:54 |
| tomeu | you will have to find which directories have the wrong permissions | 09:54 |
| tomeu | faster may be reinstalling | 09:54 |
| Santosh | oops | 09:55 |
| tomeu | communication with the X server and the dbus buses is through sockets, that's why you get those errors later | 09:55 |
| tomeu | it may be in /var/run, not sure | 09:55 |
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| Santosh | i have created sockets for my programs in /tmp and they have full +x permissions .. could this be an issue? | 09:57 |
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| tomeu | don't see why, but in the process you may have changed the permissions of /tmp itself? | 09:58 |
| tomeu | on fedora: | 09:59 |
| tomeu | $ ls -dl /tmp | 09:59 |
| tomeu | drwxrwxrwt. 24 root root 4096 Jun 6 08:56 /tmp | 09:59 |
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| Santosh | in meego i get drwx-----T for /tmp | 10:00 |
| tomeu | that could be causing those problems | 10:01 |
| Santosh | yea in another meego m/c i checked it(/tmp) is as good as fedora | 10:02 |
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| Santosh | is there a way to fix it? | 10:06 |
| Santosh | cool | 10:07 |
| Santosh | thot chmod may not work | 10:07 |
| Santosh | but it actually worked | 10:07 |
| Santosh | now the UI is up | 10:07 |
| Santosh | thanks for quick response and wise clue tomeu | 10:08 |
| Santosh | you saved 2 hrs for me | 10:08 |
| tomeu | yw | 10:08 |
| thiago_home | /tmp is usually 1777 | 10:09 |
| thiago_home | anything else is usually very wrong | 10:10 |
| Santosh | ok.. | 10:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, ping | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: pong | 10:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, forgot to remind you lmao, umm you need to add *!*@freenode/staff/* to ops list | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | done, at least for here | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | so who do i poke about getting #meego-devel under the regular namespace ownership? :P | 10:52 |
| psycho_oreos | think you need group registration or something, not quite sure how it works to be frank | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | we have one | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm group contact | 10:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | here's a staff :D though I think you need to also fill out some forms as well or something, again I can't be too sure | 10:54 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm sure it all works on the same principles as you having ownership of other chans | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | tomaw_: we've unsuccessfully been able to contact the owner of #meego-devel (AWOL) in order to bring it under our irc guidelines - i'm group contact for #meego-*, anything we can get done about this? | 10:55 |
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| * Jaffa thanks GAN900 for helping to the majority of this week's MWKN apart with me only doing most of the front page | 11:07 | |
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| alterego | Heh | 11:08 |
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| * RST38h moos at Jaffa | 11:12 | |
| RST38h | alterego: EHLO | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | 250-Nice to meet you | 11:12 |
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| vldcnst | epic | 11:14 |
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| alterego | Heh RST38h | 11:15 |
| arfoll | has anyone opened up the exopc? I'd like to know if the SSD is removable and what interface it uses... | 11:16 |
| alterego | Yes, it's shockingly easy to take the exo apartt | 11:17 |
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| alterego | And the ssd uses a standard mini pci e I believe. | 11:18 |
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| arfoll | alterego, awesome thanks, btw at the same time you know if there is a broadcom crystalhd in there? | 11:19 |
| arfoll | i forgot to do an lspci before I lent it | 11:19 |
| alterego | Yes there is | 11:20 |
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| alterego | I installed the drivers for it the other day. | 11:20 |
| arfoll | awesome :-) wonder why thats not in the spec sheet | 11:20 |
| arfoll | ooh i had an rpm for them somewhere | 11:20 |
| arfoll | on OBS | 11:20 |
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| alterego | Probably because it doesn't work under meego or something | 11:21 |
| arfoll | mmh, it does though and the gstreamer bcmdec element is actually quite good | 11:21 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Thanks | 11:32 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: You've missed the commentary on #maemo :-) | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i am planning to be me, an airplane, cheap airline wine in some hours, not even abill_uk can bring me down | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | :-) | 11:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Even if he is wielding an ice pick? | 11:34 |
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| lcuk | heh maemo bugjar showing "optify liqbase" bug :) | 11:41 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:16 |
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| lcuk | morning lardman \o | 12:17 |
| lardman | morning lcuk | 12:18 |
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| * lcuk looking at mic2 today | 12:20 | |
| * lardman looking at removals firms today | 12:21 | |
| lcuk | lardman, moving? | 12:21 |
| lcuk | or just ordering a summers worth of bacon? | 12:22 |
| lardman | moving | 12:22 |
| lardman | bbiab meeting | 12:22 |
| lbt | are the videos due up today | 12:26 |
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| lardman | false alarm | 12:28 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah moving to a house rather than a flat, better for the neighbours with the new arrival in Augu | 12:28 |
| lardman | st | 12:28 |
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| alterego | At last, we have meego-terminal :) | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | now for a qml version ;p | 12:41 |
| alterego | Hah, | 12:43 |
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| alterego | Don't tempt me :P | 12:43 |
| alterego | The source containes Python bindings, which is quite cool. | 12:43 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Is it a fresh one - or an opening of an already existant one? | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, Ruslan Mstoi works for Nokia | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | Looks like the Harmattan one | 12:48 |
| mikhas | Jaffa, yes | 12:48 |
| mikhas | Jaffa, well yes - it's the Harmattan terminal, made available for MeeGo | 12:49 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: opening of Harmattan yeah | 12:56 |
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| w00t | alterego: where is it! :) | 13:13 |
| * w00t wants it on his exo, stat | 13:13 | |
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| alterego | w00t: https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal | 13:16 |
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| niala | avec votre cityville de m... on voit pas les videos on voit pas les messages | 13:23 |
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| niala | ooops sorry | 13:24 |
| andre__ | niala, english please... | 13:24 |
| chouchoune | niala: quoi ? | 13:24 |
| chouchoune | ah ;) | 13:24 |
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| niala | wrong windows | 13:24 |
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| w00t | alterego: thanks, got it working too | 13:38 |
| w00t | :) | 13:38 |
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| alterego | Nice :) | 13:44 |
| alterego | Does it work well? | 13:44 |
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| w00t | alterego: yes | 13:46 |
| mikhas | w00t, you're using tablet UX, dont you? | 13:46 |
| w00t | mikhas: yup | 13:46 |
| mikhas | because there are some issues still with N900 DE | 13:47 |
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| mikhas | and there's a compositor bug for the first touch event going through the VKB ... | 13:47 |
| w00t | ah, fun | 13:47 |
| mikhas | kuzak, for you: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17678 <3 | 13:48 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17678 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, First touch on virtual keyboard (after a VKB request) always goes to application | 13:48 |
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| w00t | the only problem i've seen with vkb on the tablet is meego-im-uiserver or whatever it is occasionally not being running | 13:48 |
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| mikhas | w00t, you mean: it crashed and wasn't restarted? ;-) | 13:48 |
| w00t | could be a crash, perhaps | 13:48 |
| mikhas | (and no traces of crash available) | 13:48 |
| w00t | but it's only on boot, like, it'll either work or not work | 13:48 |
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| Greatgib | <gabrbedd>: for vkb on the netbook, you need to download and install meegotouch-inputmethodbridge 2.3 . There is fixed the keyboard not launching because of the dbus api break | 14:24 |
| Greatgib | in meego 1.2 its still inputmethodbridge 2.2 so not enough | 14:24 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: thoughts on #meego-infra room - people from IT/RE and other system areas can hang out there and discuss open dev/sysadmin | 14:34 |
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| lbt | mmm actually I think he's on a plane | 14:35 |
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| Natanaiel | is there any package on meego to get some screenshots? | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | Natanaiel, which UX? | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | As meego (ssh meego@192.168.2.15): | 14:43 |
| lcuk | export DISPLAY=:0 && gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot_`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`.png | 14:43 |
| lcuk | In computer: | 14:43 |
| lcuk | scp meego@192.168.2.15:/home/meego/screenshot*.png ~/Desktop | 14:43 |
| Natanaiel | handset | 14:43 |
| lcuk | try that ^ | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | if you ssh in as it says then paste that command, it should take a datestamped screenshot | 14:44 |
| lcuk | the second command then copies them to your local desktop | 14:44 |
| gabrbedd | Greatgib: Yes, araujo told me the same thing... and that worked. I had to grab it from the 1.3 branch. | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: or you cheat, setup x forwarding, login from the wetab to your desktop, and run the snapshot program there, using your wetab as the DISPLAY | 14:45 |
| gabrbedd | Greatgib: ...but that was mostly part of trying to grok the protocol. :-) | 14:45 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | hi guys. Just out of interest. I have a chumby classic standing around. Is meego a possibility on it? | 14:48 |
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| Greatgib | gabrbedd: i even don't understand why that changed that way and they didn't took care of having an important piece of code like the vkb not working anymore | 14:48 |
| Natanaiel | thx lcuk | 14:49 |
| Greatgib | gabrbedd: but today it is worse, the keyboard overhide windows instead of resizing them so you could not see what is under. There is not button, to close it. And I didn't found anything to tell the vkb when i want it to be enabled and when not. (even if it is not automatic, I would be happy to enable/disable it myself when switching my ideapad from netbook to tablet :s) | 14:50 |
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| gabrbedd | Greatgib: When the vkb appears, you can hide it by swiping it down. | 14:51 |
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| gabrbedd | Greatgib: I've found that the swipe has to be from top to bottom (all the way), and moderately fast. | 14:51 |
| lcuk | whack a mole | 14:51 |
| Greatgib | gabrbedd: ? :| so, it is as simple as that. | 14:52 |
| Greatgib | thanks for the tips, it is really not evident :p | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | A different kind of meego meetup: 'MeeGo to Manchester IntelRemastered Exhibition' http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=22150#post22150 | 15:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, will give thoughts when back at hotel later tonight | 16:59 |
| lbt | OK | 16:59 |
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| dyrvere | know a good ppa with VLC 1.1.10? | 17:40 |
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| gabrbedd | dyrvere: maybe search build.meego.com and build.pub.meego.com. Those are the ppa-like things in meego. | 17:54 |
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| dyrvere | thank you :) | 17:54 |
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| dyrvere | hm, seems all of them are still missing dependencies. | 17:56 |
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| gabrbedd | dyrvere: If they built... then their deps were met. Maybe look to see if there were other projects/repos that they are referencing. | 18:00 |
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| CosmoHill | me in three months >>> http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2006-06-23 | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:25 |
| berndhs | sure, its funny now... | 18:26 |
| mwichmann | too true | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i've yet to be asked about my degree diploma | 18:27 |
| mwichmann | got a friend who could find work when she needed, then went back to finish off her degree, and now can find nothing because it's always "you're overqualified" | 18:28 |
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| dyrvere | mwichmann: Yes, it's a weird world we live in. | 18:29 |
| dyrvere | got a sister in the same position. | 18:29 |
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| * CosmoHill needs to go looking for jobs | 18:32 | |
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| chouchoune | haha | 18:34 |
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| chouchoune | In France we even have laws telling that with a degree, we dfon't have the right to be paid lower that xxx euros | 18:34 |
| dyrvere | that's why I don | 18:35 |
| berndhs | i'm sure even in France you have the right to be paid 0 euros without a job :P | 18:35 |
| dyrvere | 't even finish my degree. | 18:35 |
| chouchoune | yes, but I can't be paid, let's say, 1200 euros with a job ;) | 18:35 |
| chouchoune | and I can't earn 0 euros, even without a job ;) | 18:36 |
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| chouchoune | state will give you some money | 18:36 |
| berndhs | for how long ? | 18:36 |
| chouchoune | But that's quite good IMHO | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | you mean job seekers allowance | 18:37 |
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| chouchoune | for ever | 18:37 |
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| CosmoHill | they pay you X ammount to keep you alive pretty much until you find a job | 18:37 |
| berndhs | that's now why people get advanced degrees, to live on welfare | 18:37 |
| chouchoune | CosmoHill: that's it | 18:37 |
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| chouchoune | but that's really little | 18:37 |
| chouchoune | not enough to live | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | there's been talk of making people on welfare work for it | 18:38 |
| chouchoune | just to survive | 18:38 |
| chouchoune | and I'm even not sure they can survive with that amount | 18:38 |
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| CosmoHill | what you need to do is get a kid, then you get a house too | 18:38 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh | 18:38 |
| Arkkis | Any help here with N900 Meego problem? | 18:38 |
| chouchoune | ? | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | Arkkis: someone should be able to help, ask your question | 18:39 |
| chouchoune | berndhs: it's better to work for welfare that to work to survive | 18:39 |
| chouchoune | s/that/than/ | 18:40 |
| infobot | chouchoune meant: berndhs: it's better to work for welfare than to work to survive | 18:40 |
| Arkkis | I tried to flash meego to my N900 but it kernel panicked.... What should I do now because PC or flasher cannot see the phone? | 18:40 |
| chouchoune | I mean, it's good not to let people die on the streets | 18:40 |
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| andre__ | Arkkis, how exactly did you flash it? | 18:41 |
| Arkkis | With this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC | 18:42 |
| Arkkis | The main problem is, that flasher stucks now to Wating for device part.. :s | 18:43 |
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| Arkkis | *Waiting | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Arkkis: pull battery | 18:43 |
| Arkkis | Yep, then? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | start flasher, plug in usb both ends, put in battery | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl | 18:44 |
| Arkkis | then? | 18:45 |
| dyrvere | does it keep working? | 18:46 |
| dyrvere | or back to waiting for device? | 18:46 |
| Arkkis | Still waiting... Phone does not do anything | 18:46 |
| dyrvere | what OS are you doing this from? | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | did you restart flasher before you connected it? | 18:46 |
| Arkkis | Ubuntu 11 | 18:47 |
| Arkkis | yes | 18:47 |
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| Zahra | Arkkis: did u close the back cover? | 18:49 |
| Arkkis | no | 18:50 |
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| Arkkis | when I take battery off, do it put backcover on again??? | 18:51 |
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| Zahra | Arkkis: back cover must be closed to boot from MMC | 18:53 |
| * CosmoHill is in a good mood but also threw his phone across the room almost hitting his laptop | 18:54 | |
| Arkkis | MMC is memory card? | 18:54 |
| Zahra | Arkkis: yes | 18:54 |
| Arkkis | I do not use one | 18:54 |
| alterego | CosmoHill: I did that a year ago, scratched my laptop .. | 18:54 |
| alterego | made a nice little scratch in the panel :( | 18:54 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm pissed off with being charged for texts that people aren't getting | 18:56 |
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| CosmoHill | people that are important to me cos I send them texts and cos they don't get them they don't text back and makes me think that they're ignoring me | 18:56 |
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| Arkkis | Do I have to get MMC if I'm going to reflash that stupid banana :P ? | 18:58 |
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| Arkkis | No one? | 19:00 |
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| Arkkis | Guess not : < | 19:02 |
| clbr | Arkkis: keep trying. remembering how to flash newer maemo versions to the phone the exact sequence of flasher/plugin in usb etc. matters | 19:02 |
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| Arkkis | I've tried since last night : < | 19:03 |
| Arkkis | It just doesn't do anything when plugging it to PC | 19:04 |
| clbr | check the cables? | 19:05 |
| Arkkis | Cable is fine because it worked yesterday fine... | 19:06 |
| Arkkis | And yellow light lits when plugged | 19:06 |
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| Arkkis | but that's it.. | 19:06 |
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| Arkkis | Someone else would have surrendered already.... | 19:42 |
| Arkkis | Still have hope for that phone . D | 19:43 |
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| Arkkis | GOT IT FINALLY! | 19:59 |
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| dyrvere | Congrats Arkkis | 20:00 |
| Arkkis | This was the key part: There's an exceedingly short moment where the flasher can detect the N900 and do its cold-flash thing. | 20:00 |
| Arkkis | it was like half of second | 20:01 |
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| dyrvere | so, is your N900 any better with Meego now? :) | 20:02 |
| Arkkis | Didn't get that yet ; D | 20:02 |
| Arkkis | My phone was stuck in kernel panic | 20:02 |
| thiago | hold the U key down | 20:02 |
| Arkkis | So, can you tell me, is there any way to install meego WITHOUT MMC | 20:03 |
| Arkkis | U key did not help :) | 20:03 |
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| Arkkis | I had to cold flash | 20:03 |
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| Arkkis | So? Do I absolutely need MMC to install Meego? | 20:04 |
| thiago | the NAND is too small | 20:04 |
| thiago | MeeGo won't fit | 20:04 |
| thiago | you need to use the MMC or an SD card | 20:05 |
| Arkkis | what eMMC means then? | 20:05 |
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| thiago | "Embedded MultiMediaCard" | 20:05 |
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| Arkkis | But there is lots of internal memory? | 20:06 |
| thiago | the eMMC on the N900 is 32 GB | 20:06 |
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| thiago | the NAND is only 256 MB | 20:06 |
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| Arkkis | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC | 20:06 |
| Arkkis | Didn't get that idea right yesterday :) | 20:07 |
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| Arkkis | So it can't boot from internal memory? | 20:07 |
| thiago | you can use the internal memory for somethings (like the /boot partition), but you need the eMMC for the rest of the system | 20:08 |
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| Arkkis | internal memory = eMMC? | 20:08 |
| Arkkis | Pretty confused right now... | 20:08 |
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| Arkkis | NAND = internal memory? | 20:09 |
| Arkkis | If you spoke of it... | 20:09 |
| Arkkis | And memory card replaces NAND? | 20:09 |
| thiago | internal memory = NAND | 20:10 |
| thiago | the N900 has three different storages; | 20:10 |
| thiago | the internal memory (NAND), the eMMC and an SD card | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | and a partridge in a pear tree. | 20:11 |
| Arkkis | Need to get SD then : < | 20:12 |
| lcuk | (though historically these have been eaten and not used for data storage | 20:12 |
| clbr | Arkkis: if possible buy a Class 6 Micro SDHC card. class 6 is expensive, though | 20:12 |
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| Arkkis | So what is the point of this method http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC ? | 20:14 |
| Arkkis | If Meego loads from the SD | 20:14 |
| Arkkis | Or does it... | 20:15 |
| Arkkis | haha | 20:15 |
| Arkkis | No... If it's installed to emmc then it is also loaded from there.. | 20:15 |
| Arkkis | So what is the point of fast SD? | 20:15 |
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| clbr | the point is, you leave the n900 with maemo installed and just put meego onto the sd card | 20:16 |
| Arkkis | Why to do that :) ? Is Meego faster installed within emmc | 20:17 |
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| Arkkis | *Isn't | 20:18 |
| lcuk | Arkkis, at present there are 2 issues prevenint developers from full complete meego day to day, those are update availability and data importing | 20:18 |
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| pancake | yo | 20:18 |
| pancake | im trying to build libmeegotouch-git, but looks broken | 20:19 |
| lcuk | so the apps are not end user ready and evolving each day, but there is no complete mechanism to import data daily (with a new image) nor to follow the updates without needing to reflash apps+data generated | 20:19 |
| pancake | scene/mscene.cpp:565:29: error: ‘ItemStopsFocusHandling’ is not a member of ‘QGraphicsItem’ | 20:19 |
| lcuk | so keeping maemo on the NAND and eMMC is best for people | 20:19 |
| Arkkis | Maybe I just wait then :) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | we were discussing migration paths over the weekend and will require at some level (a) data import (b) data backup/restore | 20:19 |
| pvuorela | pancake: update qt. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | Arkkis, for developers, putting it onto the MicroSD is great | 20:20 |
| lcuk | and now that many of the startup bugs are cured | 20:20 |
| Arkkis | Well I just wanted to try it :) | 20:20 |
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| Arkkis | Next stop, Android : D | 20:20 |
| clbr | Arkkis: I'm using a class 2 card, they're cheap | 20:20 |
| lcuk | it is possible to dig deeper into the living breathing OS | 20:20 |
| thiago | wtf, that enum was added in Qt 4.7.2 | 20:21 |
| pancake | pvuorela: qt-git on archlinux? | 20:21 |
| lcuk | Arkkis, i believe android has same issues | 20:21 |
| thiago | wait, no | 20:21 |
| pancake | im on qt 4.7.3 right now | 20:21 |
| thiago | 4.8 | 20:21 |
| * thiago is confused | 20:21 | |
| * lcuk gets thiago a coffee | 20:21 | |
| thiago | that enum is not in any release | 20:21 |
| Arkkis | Well this is just playing anyways :) | 20:21 |
| thiago | but it's in my Qt 4.7 branch | 20:22 |
| thiago | ok, it needs reverting | 20:22 |
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| pvuorela | the enum was added marked as qt internal to overcome some shortcomings in the focus handling. | 20:22 |
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| pancake | pvuorela: libmeegotouch configure script should check for the right version of QT then.. | 20:23 |
| thiago | there is no version with it | 20:23 |
| thiago | which means that meegotouch depends on an unreleased version of Qt | 20:24 |
| thiago | you can upgrade to 4.8 TP1 if you want. It seems to be there. | 20:24 |
| pancake | well. im building it from git, but the repo looks huge | 20:24 |
| pancake | insanely huge | 20:25 |
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| pancake | 1GB of repo.. not that bad | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | breaking news: the battery life on n900-de is awesome | 20:38 |
| lcuk | been working on background/mic2 stuff today and unplugged it on friday fully charged it is still on | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | i cannot see a percentage bar on it though | 20:39 |
| lcuk | it is <half full | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | keep picking up mouse but realising it is connected to the other computer | 21:19 |
| kyb3R | :) | 21:19 |
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| Natanaiel | which of these SD cards work better on N900? class 6 or class 10? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | Natanaiel, try the class10 | 21:21 |
| lcuk | hopefully that is not in binary ;) | 21:21 |
| Natanaiel | no! it's decimal :D | 21:21 |
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| Natanaiel | lcuk: do u have any suggestion about the brand? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | Russel is ok, but I don't like him because he married Katy Perry | 21:23 |
| lcuk | Natanaiel, I am not sure about specific MicroSD cards | 21:25 |
| lcuk | all I know is standing in the shop and buying fastest that I can afford at the time | 21:25 |
| smoku | lcuk, 6 is at least heptary ;-) | 21:25 |
| * lcuk should hopefully be doing that in a car showroom | 21:25 | |
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| lcuk | smoku, and it would be faster than the class 2 one he mentioned :P | 21:26 |
| pebcak | will there be a solution for the twitteraccounts in the friends wall? | 21:26 |
| pebcak | (panel) | 21:26 |
| lcuk | patches welcome | 21:26 |
| lcuk | friends too http://twitter.com/lcuk :P | 21:26 |
| * javispedro fails at using twitter.. | 21:27 | |
| * lcuk listening to Pulp, Different Class | 21:27 | |
| smoku | Natanaiel, you should really look at read/write speed. I've seen class4 sd with higher read speed than more expensive class10 ;-) | 21:30 |
| Natanaiel | smoku: which brand was it? | 21:32 |
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| smoku | sandisk vs kingston IIRC | 21:32 |
| Natanaiel | smoku: the class4 was sandisk? | 21:32 |
| smoku | that sandisk had low write speed, thus conly class4 | 21:33 |
| lcuk | i have 2 identially branded 4gb Class 2 cards | 21:33 |
| lcuk | no difference at all on the face of the cards | 21:33 |
| smoku | but if you do not make swap on it, it'll feel faster on normal usage | 21:33 |
| lcuk | but one of them writes more than 2 times faster than the other (750kB/s vs 2000kB/s) | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | wwdc keynote is curious.. | 21:36 |
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| Natanaiel | so sandisk class 10 should be great!!! | 21:37 |
| Natanaiel | http://www.sandisk.com/products/imaging/sandisk-extreme-sdhc-cards- | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | the class is a minimum, often they are faster than the class suggests | 21:38 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, why | 21:38 |
| Natanaiel | 300$ for an SD card!!! | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: go look at engadgets live blog and you'd understand | 21:39 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to look for a bar | 21:39 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, Hemmingways | 21:39 |
| frals | in HEL? | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | but what is it about the release of their new update? | 21:40 |
| frals | just ask vdvsx, he knows them all | 21:40 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | of course he does ;) | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | frals: TMP | 21:40 |
| frals | do they have anything beside the river and the train station there? ;D | 21:40 |
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| Zahra | Natanaiel: sandisk is great | 21:46 |
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| Natanaiel | Zahra: yes, but it's very expensive | 21:52 |
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| Zahra | Natanaiel: so you should make a trade-off between them! | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, btw, I tried adding the mic2 stuff and practically broke my netbook/ideapad install | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | didnt i say fedora in a vm? ;p | 21:57 |
| lcuk | to be fair you did say directly on meego was ok too :P | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | how did you break it? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | zypper stopped working | 21:58 |
| lcuk | nothing drastic but frustrating | 21:59 |
| lcuk | I had not had any issues since | 21:59 |
| lcuk | and so had to (right time really) do a system/data/code backup before trying to do anything else | 21:59 |
| lcuk | that took more time | 21:59 |
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| vgrade | nokia 3g booklet, netbook image available on http://bug10738.openaos.org/, take the red pill. thanks anab1s | 22:21 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, :D | 22:27 |
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| alterego | Wait, WWDC is in SF? | 22:36 |
| alterego | I should have stayed there :) | 22:36 |
| Ronksu | staying in SF would have been nice for many other reasons too :) | 22:37 |
| alterego | Indeed | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, idk whether related quite is right | 22:44 |
| lcuk | r rather, how is that different to k* q* i* etc | 22:44 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: they all have the same father... so that's close enough for now. :-) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, not quite | 22:46 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: as for k* q* , etc... they span across totally unrelated projects with unrelated developers... so I kinda don't like that. | 22:46 |
| lcuk | ciroip invented the clock | 22:46 |
| lcuk | he is afterall an italian watchmaker | 22:46 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, k* and q* and i* all started off as one persons project | 22:46 |
| lcuk | gtk was one app idea | 22:46 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: as fore iWhatever... iDunno iJust agree with tom. :-) | 22:47 |
| lcuk | iKnow | 22:47 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: QtCore, QtGui, QtMultimedia --- ok by me. | 22:47 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: QTetris... not so much. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | what was the app that Qt was created to run? | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | we know Gtk was written for the Gimp | 22:48 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: dunno. exceeds my buffer. | 22:48 |
| lcuk | I know liqbase was written for my sketch editor | 22:48 |
| lcuk | but Qt is rather more murky | 22:49 |
| berndhs | ah, Qt is for everything ? | 22:49 |
| lcuk | berndhs, what was the inspiration | 22:50 |
| ali1234 | Qt was not made for a specific product | 22:50 |
| lcuk | who wrote the first version? | 22:50 |
| ali1234 | the inspiration was to replace all the badly designed toolkits that were hacked together around a single product | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | A couple of years later, in the summer of 1990, Haavard and Eirik were working together on a C++ database application for ultrasound images. The system needed to be able to run with a GUI on Unix, Macintosh, and Windows. One day that summer, Haavard and Eirik went outside to enjoy the sunshine, and as they sat on a park bench, Haavard said, "We need an object-oriented display system." The resulting discussion laid the intellectual foundation fo | 22:51 |
| lcuk | r the object-oriented cross-platform GUI framework they would soon go on to build. | 22:51 |
| lcuk | it was a database application for ultrasound images | 22:51 |
| berndhs | no I think the inspiration was that the available toolkits sucked | 22:52 |
| lcuk | http://www.civilnet.cn/book/embedded/gui/qt4/pref04.html | 22:52 |
| lcuk | I am reading a book on its history | 22:52 |
| berndhs | probably revisionist stuff written by the winners :) | 22:53 |
| lcuk | no, you are remembering differently, before qt Haavard wrote a toolkit | 22:54 |
| lcuk | like I am sure the Gtk guys wrote stuff prior to gimp | 22:55 |
| lcuk | berndhs, who do you count as the winners? | 22:55 |
| berndhs | those who are around to talk about it :) | 22:55 |
| lcuk | i dont understand the race though to be winning | 22:56 |
| berndhs | i'm just going with the percentages | 22:56 |
| lcuk | since the toolkits co-exist | 22:56 |
| berndhs | history written and re-interpreted after things happened | 22:56 |
| lcuk | if that is the case: are *any* of the original developers still around? | 22:57 |
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| berndhs | good question | 22:57 |
| ljp | depends on how 'original' you want | 22:59 |
| lcuk | ljp, any of the founding partners and guiding strategists | 23:00 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, who would have thought a nokia device runnng meego :) | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | !! | 23:23 |
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| * lcuk listens to Kylie Minogue again | 23:29 | |
| lcuk | and now I am really curious about the meego netbook | 23:29 |
| lcuk | since it knows how to read mp3 yet cannot play the music itself | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | btw, data people | 23:36 |
| * w00t poked his sync stuff into a qtcontacts backend and had it work first or second try, is happy | 23:36 | |
| lcuk | testing folks for touchscreens | 23:36 |
| lcuk | multiple strokes on the ideapad: | 23:36 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110313_030149.liqtop1.scr.png | 23:37 |
| lcuk | note that some strokes are deemed as clicks | 23:37 |
| lcuk | on lists of items this is frustrating | 23:37 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: some of it may be the ideapad's digitizer and/or driver. I've also been having trouble with it when using it as a music keyboard. | 23:50 |
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| lcuk2 | gabrbedd, it is only when it is propper up using the hinge | 23:50 |
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| lcuk2 | if it is fully in slate mode and the back cannot wobble | 23:50 |
| lcuk2 | it is better | 23:50 |
| lcuk2 | but if the design does not account for such things | 23:51 |
| lcuk2 | the UX is degraded | 23:51 |
| lcuk2 | the touchsensor on the n810 was similar | 23:51 |
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| lcuk2 | so I changed the design of the graffiti wall | 23:51 |
| lcuk2 | to only do selection on click | 23:51 |
| lcuk2 | for items in the wall | 23:51 |
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| lcuk2 | so panning and accidentally clicking did not have a big effect | 23:51 |
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| lcuk2 | worked well :) | 23:51 |
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