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| gabrbedd | w00t: which rusty? | 00:01 |
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| gabrbedd | lynch? | 00:01 |
| w00t | gabrbedd: yes | 00:02 |
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| gabrbedd | w00t: I thought his nic was 'rustylynch`, and that he didn't frequent IRC much. (at least not lately) | 00:02 |
| gabrbedd | ~rustylynch | 00:03 |
| gabrbedd | ~w00t | 00:03 |
| infobot | w00t!!! | 00:03 |
| gabrbedd | haha. | 00:03 |
| w00t | ~seen rustylynch | 00:03 |
| infobot | rustylynch <~rusty@nat/intel/x-bclpriulwkstidvp> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 55d 21h 7m 40s ago, saying: 'alterego: thnx'. | 00:03 |
| gabrbedd | ah. thanks. | 00:04 |
| w00t | meh | 00:04 |
| DawnFoster | ha | 00:04 |
| DawnFoster | he's usually pretty responsive to email, tho | 00:04 |
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| w00t | yes, just frustrating.. i want to ask stupid questions, so the back and forth over email is going to add a bit of useless latency on top | 00:05 |
| w00t | I guess I don't have much option though :P | 00:05 |
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| tripzero | w00t, needs rusty? | 00:14 |
| w00t | tripzero: kinda yeah | 00:14 |
| * tripzero fired nerf dart in his direction | 00:14 | |
| w00t | ta :) | 00:14 |
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| w00t | (did you hit him?) | 00:14 |
| tripzero | not sure | 00:15 |
| tripzero | i had to lob it since i only see the top of his head | 00:15 |
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| tripzero | hi btdrucke_ | 00:15 |
| w00t | clearly you need a meego nerf dart with mounted cameras and wifi streaming | 00:16 |
| w00t | special could probably help with that... | 00:16 |
| special | you do not want to get hit by one of the cameras I have | 00:16 |
| tripzero | lol | 00:16 |
| btdrucke_ | tripzero, g'day | 00:16 |
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| tripzero | w00t, just wondering, what do you need him for? | 00:18 |
| w00t | tripzero: meego-ux-daemon stuff.. trying to build latest master, and it's seemingly relying on some code I can't seem to find related to alarms | 00:19 |
| tripzero | he may be head deep in work. so far little response from "soft" notifications | 00:19 |
| w00t | googling around has lead me to beliee it might be meego-ux-alarm(s) or something but I have no idea where that lives as I can't find it on gitorious etc | 00:19 |
| tripzero | w00t, ahh | 00:19 |
| tripzero | that code may not be available yet | 00:19 |
| tripzero | in fact, i'm pretty sure it's in the process of being pushed out, but hasn't happened as of yet | 00:20 |
| w00t | heh... I was afraid of that, oh well, I guess I'll drop those patches for the time being | 00:20 |
| w00t | git doesn't want to let me to revert it without a lot of hassle | 00:20 |
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| tripzero | bummer | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | somebody asked earlier how liqbase would cope when wayland comes around, how about an alternative question: how well would qt run inside liqbase? is it feasible? | 00:22 |
| thiago_home | write a lighthouse plugin | 00:23 |
| lcuk | I am only thinking because of the 20% bandwidth saving for every frame | 00:24 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, I do not know enough of the qt side to know how to try that | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, is lighthouse the defined way to enable qt to be ported to any new environment? | 00:28 |
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| w00t | lcuk: yes | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | w00t, and that would be fully compatible with qt apps written already? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | I know the whole OS level compatability issues are different | 00:29 |
| w00t | lcuk: yes | 00:29 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:30 |
| lcuk | are lighthouse plugins difficult? is there a nice easy "So you want to run Qt on a different system" documents? | 00:30 |
| w00t | I don't think there would be yet, since it's pretty new stuff | 00:31 |
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| Mek | there is a demo lighthouse plugin that just renders every frame to a qimage and saves that, which is a nice base for other things | 00:31 |
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| tripzero | hmm | 00:37 |
| tripzero | there could be a lighthouse plugin that makes a movie of what is being painted then huh? | 00:37 |
| w00t | yes | 00:38 |
| tripzero | but... i suppose i'd like to have it also paint to the screen... AND make a movie | 00:38 |
| tripzero | :P | 00:39 |
| w00t | pfft ;) | 00:39 |
| Mek | make a proxy lighthouse plugin :P | 00:39 |
| lcuk | mek, I gather new plugins involve latest git source and building qt itself? | 00:39 |
| Mek | you'll need at least qt 4.8, yes | 00:39 |
| lcuk | or is it a real plugin in the sense you do not need to rebuild qt | 00:39 |
| lcuk | ok | 00:39 |
| lcuk | thx | 00:39 |
| Mek | but it is a real plugin (if you built qt with -qpa) | 00:39 |
| lcuk | if I did not try and rebuild all of qt and just wanted to make a plugin? | 00:40 |
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| Mek | once you have a qt build with -qpa you can at runtime select what lighthouse plugin to use to run a certain application | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | mek but does -qpa have drawbacks? | 00:41 |
| Mek | I don't think the x11 lighthouse plugin has quite reached the same level of functionality as the native x11 window system support yet | 00:42 |
| lcuk | the lighthouse plugin is what is being used to deliver/build upon wayland? | 00:42 |
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| Mek | there is also a lighthouse plugin for wayland yes. Basicall the idea behind lighthouse is to get rid of all the #ifdef Q_WS_xxx and make it all dynamic at runtime instead | 00:43 |
| Mek | (which is now implemented by adding another Q_WS_QPA (for lighthouse) to all the ifdefs everywhere in qt :) ) | 00:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:44 |
| w00t | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2009/10/02/introducing-new-port-of-qt-to-your-favourite-platform/ | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/31/lighthouse-has-grown-up-now/ | 00:48 |
| lcuk | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/28/supporting-a-new-platform/ | 00:48 |
| lcuk | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/category/labs/lighthouse/ | 00:48 |
| lcuk | newer links | 00:48 |
| lcuk | that actually looks quite simple | 00:48 |
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| lcuk | apart from the repositories changing | 00:49 |
| w00t | right, but going back earlier means you understand the background too :) | 00:49 |
| lcuk | there are a nice bunch of tests examples already | 00:49 |
| lcuk | https://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/lighthouse/trees/master/src/plugins/platforms | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | yeah w00t, I am just reading a bunch of things | 00:49 |
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| chouchoune | vgrade: just received a new message from Compulab (Trim Slice) : | 00:58 |
| chouchoune | It is not the same drivers, it is developed by another team at NVIDIA having community and ChromeOS in mind. It was not released yet. | 00:58 |
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| chouchoune | but I don't know exactly technical details yet | 00:59 |
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| vgrade | chouchoune, cool, please ask them about hardfp abi versions | 01:18 |
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| chouchoune | vgrade: yes, already doing this ;) | 01:40 |
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| julienf | anyone managed to play videos on the ExoPC with the stock MeeGo UI? | 02:31 |
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| * mikeleib looks for w0t | 02:55 | |
| w00t | mikeleib: the theory the expert I pestered about it had was that there's some interesting kind of bug going in in mcompositor / Qt interaction | 02:55 |
| mikeleib | s/wot/w00t/ | 02:55 |
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| mikeleib | we have folks that fix mcompositor bugs | 02:55 |
| mikeleib | got sighting ?? | 02:55 |
| w00t | so we could try go down the route of testing that theory by swapping out mcompositor and seeing if you still get a flash | 02:56 |
| w00t | well, if there *is* one, debugging it is going to be a pain | 02:56 |
| w00t | let me try find scrollback on exactly what was said | 02:56 |
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| mikeleib | xfwm4 is packaged up somewhere | 02:57 |
| w00t | see query | 02:58 |
| lcukabc | w00t: graphics flashing similar in nature to liqbase green flashes? | 02:59 |
| w00t | lcukabc: not really | 02:59 |
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| lcukabc | ok just caught tailend of convo | 03:00 |
| w00t | mikeleib: another possible idea.. QT_FLUSH_PAINT=1 ./my_application_here | 03:01 |
| w00t | will flash Qt painted areas yellow | 03:01 |
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| mikeleib | hmm | 03:02 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:42 |
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| npm | julienf -- i've got video working on exopc both through xbmc and smplayer/mplayer (using http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) | 07:43 |
| npm | i found weird stuff happening when using gl rendering, like qt menu contents would end up expanded to the size of the full screen , and other refresh weirdness | 07:44 |
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| * npm waiting for 'zypper in gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras gstreamer-plugins-bad-free gstreamer-tools phonon-backend-gstreamer gstreamer-plugins-base gstreamer-ffmpeg qtgstreamer-plugins gstreamer-python gstreamer-devel slv2' to finish.... | 07:46 | |
| npm | so i can play back videos from youtube :-) | 07:47 |
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| iekku | morning | 08:58 |
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| chpadhi | i am compiling the libmeegotouch code from gitorious for linux , and getting compiler errors . Anyone tried compiling the MT frame work for linux recently ? | 10:27 |
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| hantera_ | hi all, can you please tell me how to download all the source code of Meego to build it local on my PC? | 10:57 |
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| dm8tbr | you'll want to look at OBS | 11:00 |
| dm8tbr | there are various pages on the meego wiki about it | 11:00 |
| dm8tbr | but are you sure you want to recompile? not just create an image suiting your device using existing binaries? | 11:02 |
| hantera_ | yes I want the full source code to recombile, for learning purpose | 11:03 |
| dm8tbr | look at OBS then | 11:03 |
| hantera_ | i am sorry but what OBS stands for? | 11:05 |
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| Bostik | it's a build system; a bit more elaborate than "make world" but also a hell of a lot more powerful | 11:08 |
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| hantera_ | i reached it at Meego wiki, thanks a lot for the help. | 11:12 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, morning | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | morn smoku | 12:59 |
| smoku | hi Stskeeps | 12:59 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: so, how may I be of disservice after I have had my lunch | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: what device and what kernel did you test the dm3730 with? | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | (just to collect some background info) | 13:04 |
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| vgrade | Morning all | 13:04 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, could you create a nokia 3g booklet area on openaos for us so we can unpload a netbook and ivi image? | 13:06 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: sure, right after lunch :) | 13:06 |
| dm8tbr | nomnomnom | 13:06 |
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| vgrade | username anab1s | 13:07 |
| vgrade | he's not on at the moment but when he is you can pass the login to him | 13:07 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 13:08 |
| dm8tbr | btw: informal rules: ks together with image, if binaries, must be redistributable | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | emgd is | 13:09 |
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| vgrade | no problem this time al from meego repos | 13:09 |
| dm8tbr | sure, just to be clear on this :) | 13:09 |
| dm8tbr | I hear there was a brief stint of a modified tablet image at some point ;) | 13:10 |
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| vgrade | ever so brief | 13:10 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade: sooo, you want another directory... *clickety* | 13:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: how goes the porting to various bits of hardware? ;) | 13:34 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: done, he'll have to ping me for the initial password | 13:36 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, thanks I'll sned hiim your way | 13:51 |
| * dm8tbr checks that it shows in the listing | 13:51 | |
| dm8tbr | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/nokia_3g_booklet/ - yep it does alright | 13:52 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 13:52 |
| dm8tbr | my bot cracks me up every time I say that URL ;) | 13:52 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, hi. | 13:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yo | 13:53 |
| dm8tbr | TSCHAKeee: well, I just created yet another device directory for him... :) | 13:53 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, we did some emgd builds in the last few days for the nokia booklet | 13:54 |
| vgrade | netbook and ivi | 13:54 |
| vgrade | so much easier now | 13:54 |
| dm8tbr | and intel is prolly squealing out of joy how 'their plan comes together' | 13:54 |
| vgrade | still working on the tegra tablet. No drivers avaiable yet but looking into llvmpipe at the momemt | 13:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | dm8tbr: what plan, exactly? | 13:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 13:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | llvmpipe ? | 13:56 |
| dm8tbr | TSCHAKeee: meego, the intel 'thingy' | 13:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | dm8tbr: I repeat...What...plan, exactly? ;) | 13:56 |
| * dm8tbr refrains from calling meego anything else then a 'thinghy' nowadays as there is NOTHING that seems to fit | 13:56 | |
| dm8tbr | it's not a distro, not an ecosystem, .... | 13:56 |
| dm8tbr | TSCHAKeee: world domination, or if not applicable domination of embedded devices and meego in particular | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | i vote we go back to naming it moblin | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:57 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: nah, should have intel in the name for proper attribution | 13:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | moblin was the netbook ux, that is now neutered | 13:57 |
| dm8tbr | intelGo? | 13:57 |
| * TSCHAKeee still has friends at OpenedHand that still bitch about it on a daily basis. | 13:58 | |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, llvmpipe, partof mesa , promises better software rast perf | 13:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | cool | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: openedhand was bought out by inte wasn't it? | 13:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | OpenedHand makes Clutter, Intel buys OpenedHand, OpenedHand goes to work on Moblin..Moblin becomes MeeGo...OpenedHand is basically put out to pasture. | 13:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | stskeeps: yup | 13:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | they are still pissed about it | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | i consider gtk and clutter the symbian of toolkits | 13:59 |
| alterego | Well, maybe they'll go back to Gtk ... | 13:59 |
| alterego | Or maybe Intel will get a deal with MS and we can all use .NET | 14:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | basically they're all working on Gnome 3 now | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | didn't you get the memo? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: that one is actually funny.. | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | .net is dead (with silverlight) | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | it's all html5 now | 14:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | which...Gnome 3 is not bad. | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/230502/562113.aspx | 14:00 |
| alterego | dm8tbr: not now it isn't .. | 14:01 |
| dm8tbr | probably plus some 'special M$ extensions' ofc | 14:01 |
| alterego | I've not gotten around to using gnome 3 yet, unity isn't too bad. | 14:01 |
| * dm8tbr is trollin, they hatin' ;-p | 14:01 | |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: you know earliere in the week you said you hope they bring out the harmattan device soon? Well, even if they announced it today we're unlikely to see them for another month or two .. | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i thought nokia went for 'ship when announce'? | 14:04 |
| alterego | Maybe, but I thought they were just trying to reduce the time between announce and ship. | 14:04 |
| alterego | Regardless, it'll be intteresting to see what kind of developer offering they give us. | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | indeed | 14:06 |
| alterego | I think the first thing I'm going to do if/when I geet one, is replace tpring with ofono and use my dialer ;) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think i'd just test if ovi maps was less crap. | 14:07 |
| * TSCHAKeee finds it funny the one remotely meego handset will be using MTF | 14:08 | |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 14:08 |
| alterego | I think Nokia should push for "MeeGo Compatible" rather than "MeeGo Compliant" | 14:09 |
| alterego | The WeTab wasn't MeeGo Compliant .. | 14:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | this reminds me | 14:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | of OpenStep | 14:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | the same shit was pulled in the 90s | 14:10 |
| alterego | In fact it still isn't meego compliant yet they raved about it in the keynolte. | 14:10 |
| * alterego starts getting a bit riled up. >:( | 14:10 | |
| TSCHAKeee | NeXT and Sun got together, and created an API standard called OpenStep.. | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: honestly it would have been meego compliant if they have had a 1.0 compliance document | 14:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | NeXT's implementation never was completely OpenStep compliant...they called it OPENSTEP | 14:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | and Sun's implementation for Solaris couldn't run everything that ran on OPENSTEP. | 14:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | (and then in a twist of gonzo, OpenStep became Cocoa, sooo *shrug*) | 14:11 |
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| alterego | To be honest these platfvorm details that stop Harmattan getting a meego badge are only important to devlopers that like me come from the maemo background. It's not important, all this low level crap, to actual bog standard app developers. | 14:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's like now.. we have MeeGo...and we have Harmattan.... which is like.... ok.... Coca-Cola...and....RC Cola...they're both Colas...but not quite.....the same.... | 14:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 14:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | alterego: very true. | 14:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but lots of people seem to be very confused. | 14:13 |
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| alterego | And that is what's important isn't it? We need to attract lame developers to our "ecosystem"? | 14:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | "Ok, I want to develop for MeeGo, where is the SDK?" | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: it does matter if you have to use a different SDK target for one single device | 14:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | "Whicho ne?" | 14:14 |
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| alterego | None, use obs :) | 14:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | please keep in mind, fellas.. I'm not trying to troll.. you know this. | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: same problem | 14:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm just speaking through experience | 14:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | I've been THROUGH THIS | 14:15 |
| alterego | osc chroot is what I u | 14:15 |
| alterego | se | 14:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | Amiga...NeXT | 14:15 |
| alterego | TSCHAKeee: yeah, I understand, it must be very confusing to all those devs. | 14:15 |
| alterego | New devs. | 14:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm seeing so many of the same mistakes made over and over again | 14:16 |
| alterego | Maybe we should have an integrated sdk/build-env download in Qt Creator | 14:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | bingo | 14:16 |
| alterego | Select target device, download rootfs and toolchain if required, then build. | 14:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | with targets, Handset, Tablet, Phone, TV, yup | 14:17 |
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| alterego | Well, you've got profile and you've also got architecture, doing it per device would be easier, even if handset a, b, c have exactly the same rootfs and toolchain. It just makes it easier for devs to know what they're actually targetting. | 14:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 14:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | at least with qml now, we have the possibility of being able to massage the UI for the different targets. | 14:18 |
| * alterego notes down the idea | 14:18 | |
| alterego | This might be similar to something else I plan on doing. | 14:19 |
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| vgrade | alterego, nice start to the uk network site | 14:47 |
| vgrade | all we need now is a network to go with it | 14:47 |
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| vgrade | http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/, for those who missed the announcement | 14:48 |
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| alterego | :) | 14:50 |
| alterego | Not entirely announced yet, that's just a html file place holder with a bit of info on it. | 14:51 |
| alterego | It aggregates facebook events :) | 14:51 |
| alterego | And has the twitter feed in it :) | 14:51 |
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| alterego | vgrade: but thanks :) | 14:53 |
| alterego | I'm gonna have birmingham. and cambridge. sub domains for the local meetups, the idea is for it to aggregate local meetups into a single UK portal. | 14:54 |
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| achipa | hmm... does the exopc have accelerometers ? | 16:26 |
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| gabrbedd | achipa: yes, it's got something like that. It auto-rotates the screen depending on how you have it tilted. | 16:29 |
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| achipa | true... Why don't mobility-sensors work then... duh | 16:34 |
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| gabrbedd | achipa: Do you mean the thing where meego-ux-daemon fails to start because of the sensors? | 16:41 |
| achipa | gabrbedd: not really, I have a little demo-game which uses mobility.sensors... and it's pretty dead | 16:43 |
| achipa | even though there are no errors in the console wrt to imports and whatnot | 16:44 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: This might have something to do with it... | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | # work around for maemo6 sensor crash | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | rm /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sensors/libqtsensors_meego.so | 16:45 |
| boss | gabrbedd: Error: "work" is not a valid command. | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | Ref: http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.1.20110525.2/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.1.20110525.2.ks | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | But, it could be unrelated. | 16:46 |
| achipa | I use actually I use meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.img as 0525 doesn't even boot for me | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: check the .ks file. It's been there for a while. | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | Anyway, my guess is that you don't have that .so file, and that *might* be the problem. | 16:48 |
| gabrbedd | ...but this could also be a red herring. | 16:48 |
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| achipa | right, I only have libsensors_orientation... hm | 16:50 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: the problem is that if you reinstall it... the MeeGo UX will fail to start. :-( | 16:52 |
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| achipa | who needs that anyway... :) | 16:53 |
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| achipa | gabrbedd: BUT while we are at it, should the sound work ? | 16:54 |
| * arfoll hates meego paperwork | 16:54 | |
| Stskeeps | araujo: like what? | 16:54 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: yes, but the volumes may be at 0 by default. | 16:54 |
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| achipa | gabrbedd: heh, almost - it did show as 100% but needed prodding to actually make noise | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | err, arfoll: | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | hayfever sucks | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes it does. | 17:15 |
| berndhs | indeed | 17:15 |
| gabrbedd | more or less than beiberfever ? | 17:18 |
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| berndhs | dont know, never had bieber related illness | 17:21 |
| berndhs | this may surprise some of you, but i'm not a teenage girl | 17:22 |
| * SpeedEvil realises there is the potential for innovative meego camera apps. | 17:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://fatpita.net/?i=3442 | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah,photoshopping.. | 17:23 |
| arfoll | ook at that left hand.... | 17:28 |
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| gabrbedd | Roundabout December/January they removed the dbus interface from meegotouch-inputmethods... | 17:33 |
| gabrbedd | Is this a bug or a feature? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | in meego, every feature is a bug. | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 17:34 |
| gabrbedd | haha | 17:34 |
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| usrZ123 | hi? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 17:35 |
| gabrbedd | Is anybody running Netbook UX with the VKB? It looks like the loss of dbus breaks the GTK inputmethod bridge. Can somebody confirm? | 17:36 |
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| CosmoHill | so much snot... | 18:21 |
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| lcukn900 | cosmohill you got flu | 18:37 |
| gabrbedd | lcukn900: he's got beiber fever | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: TMI | 18:39 |
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| CosmoHill | snot != information | 18:40 |
| maligor | good thing only information comes out of my nose | 18:41 |
| lbt | arfoll: what paperwork | 18:41 |
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| lbt | lcukn900: http://piratepad.net/OY1SY1h5uO | 18:53 |
| lbt | may not be n900 compatible :) | 18:54 |
| lbt | hehe ... lurkers | 18:54 |
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| lcuk | lbt, jeremiah great stuff! | 18:59 |
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| achipa | accelerometer readings on exopc really need some median filtering, noise is way too strong... | 19:14 |
| * Myrtti has unleashed the grammar nazi | 19:15 | |
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| Myrtti | s/grammar/typofix/ | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: my lecturer? | 19:16 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: just fixing the piratepad text | 19:16 |
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| Myrtti | lbt: I trust you are in the middle of writing some parts? because there's plenty of sentences that feel cut off | 19:18 |
| lcuk | achipa, filtering is easy | 19:19 |
| lcuk | I used smoothing on the n900 | 19:19 |
| lbt | Myrtti: very much so | 19:19 |
| lcuk | just take 1/10 of a reading each time | 19:19 |
| lcuk | but that might cause lag | 19:19 |
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| Myrtti | aw man jetlag sucks | 19:19 |
| * lbt got 0h sleep on thu night | 19:19 | |
| lcuk | :( | 19:20 |
| lbt | finnish 3am dawn | 19:20 |
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| lbt | and a hotel room with blinds and no curtain | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the raddison blu have nice rooms | 19:20 |
| lbt | I use the seaside or holiday inn - nice and close | 19:21 |
| lbt | but next week is Helsinki week - no hotel rooms anywhere :( | 19:21 |
| lbt | so any suggestions are welcome | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | helsinki week? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | try omena? | 19:21 |
| Myrtti | omena ♥ | 19:21 |
| lbt | I have an omena room booked ... that's why I'm still looking | 19:22 |
| Bostik | ew, omena :/ | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: meh, it's not that bad, you don't have to deal with other humans ;) | 19:22 |
| * lbt shakes his head | 19:22 | |
| lbt | I don't even wheel my suitcase down the corridor | 19:23 |
| Myrtti | after staying in some US hotels for two weeks, I'd rather stay in Omena anytime | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | omena > the hostel i was at | 19:23 |
| lcuk | lbtlbt, in the vendor notes, you mention mxr - I have noticed it is extremely useful for developers and teams tracking things | 19:23 |
| Bostik | try maybe some of the "lesser" S-chain hotels, there are a couple in the very center of town | 19:23 |
| lcuk | but for manager how is it useful? | 19:23 |
| lbt | Bostik: as long as I can get the transit to Nokia... | 19:23 |
| lbt | any suggestions? | 19:23 |
| lbt | Myrtti, lcuk I'm focusing on structure at the moment | 19:24 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I just find the time spent with idiotic hotel staff such a waste of effort and time that the possibility of not needing to deal with any staff is welcome | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: omena yrjonkatu is excellent, just walk up street to Kamppi | 19:24 |
| lbt | would appreciate ideas of missing bullet points | 19:24 |
| Bostik | I can have a lool in about 1h, currently on road | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: i still use omena - i tried scandic hotel in tampere at 100eur/night and i actually found omena better :P | 19:25 |
| lbt | Bostik: go on - ta. Otherwise the omena isn't really that bad ;) | 19:25 |
| lcuk | lbt, sure thing - sorry for reading over your shoulder \o | 19:25 |
| lbt | lcuk: I wouldn't have piratepad'ed it if I didn't want help | 19:25 |
| * lcuk willlol | 19:25 | |
| lcuk | I know | 19:25 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, should've talked to the French-sounding dude who decided murdering them was OK because they were "just hotel workers". | 19:26 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: stayed in Pacific Suites in Mountain View for a week, I'll never understand the logic of having a jacuzzi, microwave and a fridge, but for example no forks or knives. | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: less murder in the jacuzzi | 19:26 |
| Myrtti | or why there needed to be the blanket/bedsheet combo AND a quilt in a quilt cover | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | that one i never understood either | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | scandinavian thing, i think | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | either, or | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | but why both? | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | E_KITTYNOUNDERSTAND | 19:27 |
| lcuk | in Finland? | 19:27 |
| lcuk | I understand the need for both: it gets bloody cold. | 19:28 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: mountain view | 19:28 |
| Myrtti | no it doesn't. | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: even in finland, one duvet is enough | 19:28 |
| lcuk | different people are different | 19:28 |
| lcuk | I sleep with window open | 19:28 |
| lcuk | and extra duvet | 19:28 |
| * lcuk likes fresh air | 19:28 | |
| lcuk | but also liking to stay warm | 19:28 |
| Myrtti | I got sunburn on the back of my neck, and with my long hair, having too much quilts and covers left me sweating and in pain :-< | 19:29 |
| * GAN900 would've appreciated more covers in SF. | 19:29 | |
| Myrtti | bad sleep was bad | 19:29 |
| GAN900 | Take them off the bed? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | American folks with pillow mountains on the bed are odd | 19:29 |
| lcuk | needing to take off all the pillows just to get on the bed | 19:29 |
| Myrtti | they were handily tucked underneath the mattress almost like someone had stapled them there :-< | 19:29 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: yeah, I've never understood the pillow mountains | 19:29 |
| lcuk | you see it in movies | 19:29 |
| lcuk | piles of them | 19:29 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, like flower arranging I guess | 19:30 |
| Myrtti | so take something off and the whole bedsheet combo explodes | 19:30 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: first thing I do in a hotel is dump the huge pile of pillows in a corner so that I can get to the bed | 19:30 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, :D | 19:30 |
| Myrtti | yeah, that was a problem in Hyatt | 19:30 |
| DawnFoster | I mean, you really only need one, right? :) | 19:31 |
| Myrtti | you should see my sisters bed tho | 19:31 |
| lcuk | it is not a problem really, bedroom decoration is important | 19:31 |
| Myrtti | the cushions and pillows... | 19:31 |
| Myrtti | it's baffling | 19:31 |
| lcuk | it is just odd | 19:31 |
| GAN900 | At least 3 | 19:31 |
| GAN900 | 4 is better. | 19:31 |
| lcuk | it is just like adding swags and tails and other embelishments | 19:31 |
| * lcuk puts piping around the edge of his laptop | 19:32 | |
| Myrtti | and I also have to give it to the hotel (chain) management. It gets old after a while that there's these signs "we'll change your towel only if you want us to - leave it on the floor if you do" and when you return to your room in the evening... | 19:32 |
| Myrtti | of course they've changed every goddamn piece of cotton in the room | 19:33 |
| Myrtti | so much for the token effort | 19:33 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, from the alternative side, would you like to arrive in room to find dirty towel? | 19:34 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: if I was the one who last used it... yes. | 19:34 |
| lcuk | I find if the towel is still on the rail and folded as before it won't get changed | 19:34 |
| Myrtti | you're lucky | 19:34 |
| lcuk | no, I am lcuk | 19:35 |
| Myrtti | and I'm hungry | 19:35 |
| * lcuk emails you a BLT | 19:35 | |
| cordiceps | hey | 19:35 |
| Myrtti | ahoy | 19:36 |
| cordiceps | is it possible to run meego headless in a qemu vm then run with X from the host? | 19:36 |
| cordiceps | let, the hos do the X rendering. | 19:36 |
| cordiceps | I am trying to find a solution to the slow qemu problem due to lack of X accel. | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | cordiceps, which aspect are you attempting to test | 19:38 |
| lcuk | and is it not practical to do it on actual hw | 19:39 |
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| cordiceps | play around with the GUI and apps. | 19:40 |
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| cordiceps | running meego is not practical on hw?? | 19:41 |
| cordiceps | I am not getting you... | 19:41 |
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| thiago_home | cordiceps: remote X will make all the shared memory and OpenGL optimisations go away | 19:53 |
| thiago_home | it might be even slower | 19:53 |
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| cordiceps | argh!! | 19:53 |
| cordiceps | I have the nvidia blowb which has hard ware accel, would that help? | 19:55 |
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| lcukabc | hey, a question about the netbook slide effect on alt-tab | 21:00 |
| lcukabc | does anyone know the actual code path taken for doing this | 21:00 |
| lcukabc | I filed a bug a long time ago about it but it continues to annoy when using it | 21:00 |
| lcukabc | I would like to actually make alt-tab just do a much simpler animation | 21:01 |
| lcukabc | ie, when moving to a new window, just slide the current and new window | 21:01 |
| lcukabc | the current method of panning back,. sliding past many windows then panning in is so distracting | 21:01 |
| lcukabc | bug 10544 and semi related bug 4804 | 21:03 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications | 21:03 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4804 enh, Medium, ---, nicholas.e.richards, NEW, The animation for window transition is too slow (task switcher with alt-tab) | 21:03 |
| Bostik | holy crap, all S-chain hotels fully booked too for the whole of next week | 21:06 |
| Bostik | what the hell is going on | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: they're taking all M$ staff to sightsee their new finnish department? ;p | 21:34 |
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| Bostik | prolly | 21:36 |
| Bostik | or there's some biannual pulp conference again | 21:37 |
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| lbt | http://helsinkithevenue.sivuviidakko.fi/EN/helsinki-week.html | 21:42 |
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| gabrbedd | lcukabc: IIRC, if you simply tap Alt+Tab quickly (instead of holding)... it does exactly that. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i'll miss the helsinki samba carnival | 21:43 |
| V1ajer0 | hello! | 21:44 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: helsinki samba sounds as promising as norwegian maxian food :) | 21:44 |
| V1ajer0 | I have a cuestion. | 21:44 |
| berndhs | s/maxian/mexican/ | 21:44 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: Stskeeps: helsinki samba sounds as promising as norwegian mexican food :) | 21:44 |
| V1ajer0 | Meego supported python? | 21:44 |
| maligor | berndhs, what about norwegian india pale ale? | 21:45 |
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| lbt | V1ajer0: 'supported' is a stretch | 21:45 |
| berndhs | I haven't even tried Inidan inida pale ale :) | 21:45 |
| maligor | it's british actually | 21:45 |
| berndhs | yeah I know | 21:46 |
| lbt | V1ajer0: we have bare python in MeeGo... the modules you have to provide yourself. | 21:46 |
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| lbt | There's likely to be a community Python project starting up soon | 21:46 |
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| * npm installs 'cronie' , runs sudo crond, finds out | 21:52 | |
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| lcuk | what app is running on your meego device now? | 23:27 |
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| w00t | ssh | 23:37 |
| lcuk | why :P | 23:39 |
| w00t | because I'm working on ti | 23:39 |
| w00t | it | 23:39 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i am working on a number of things this evening | 23:42 |
| * lcuk writing a post/review of the IntelRemastered visit I went on at the Cube | 23:42 | |
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| Bostik | whut, new doctor who? | 23:51 |
| Aard | Bostik: double-episode, with the second part airing in september... | 23:51 |
| Bostik | ouch-ouch-ouch | 23:52 |
| Bostik | that's so cruel | 23:52 |
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| thebootroo | hi | 23:59 |
| thebootroo | where can i download the last image of meego DE for N900 using tablet UX ? because i'm lost with the orgabization of the repos | 23:59 |
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