| lcuk | javispedro, read this and spot the typo | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | http://twitter.com/hpnews/status/75998492677517312 | 00:00 |
| RST38h | Ehehe | 00:01 |
| javispedro | I bet someone would like twitter to allow deleting twits at the moment =) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, rather changes the intent of the quote don't you think | 00:01 |
| RST38h | it is a typo, nobody is going to merge with HP now | 00:01 |
| lcuk | javispedro, they retweeted after I mentioned it back to them | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | Although the legend says that any company that eats a company that ate DEC will fail | 00:02 |
| lcuk | grue | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, I realised just today that I had been running the gesture recogniser against every stroke of every sketch I load up | 00:04 |
| javispedro | is that a typo too, or are you saying hp is a grue? =) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | that is a typo too | 00:04 |
| lcuk | I meant to say "what a lovely evening" | 00:04 |
| lcuk | the keys are close together | 00:04 |
| javispedro | true | 00:05 |
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| lcukn900 | hexagons. remember hexagons. | 00:07 |
| RST38h | try not to notice the hexagons | 00:08 |
| RST38h | just behave like they are not there | 00:08 |
| lcuk | sorry wrong chan | 00:08 |
| lcuk | infact, wrong network | 00:09 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 00:15 |
| RST38h | Ok, install the bloody Fennec beta, make sure it is as slow as the last beta, then sleep. | 00:15 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you still having optimism left? | 00:16 |
| * lcukn900 sheds some optimism | 00:18 | |
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| lcuk | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=22009#post22009 | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | Re: Manchester UK MeeGo meet-up? | 00:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Fun. | 01:03 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he had easier transport. | 01:03 | |
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| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: ping | 01:31 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey DawnFoster. | 01:33 |
| DawnFoster | can you look at that bug again | 01:33 |
| DawnFoster | I fixed your issue | 01:33 |
| DawnFoster | but think I mangled your mailing list subscriptions | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | *sorry* | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | You need to log back into your alison account (which now has your gmail) | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | and verify / fix your subscriptions | 01:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | No worries bout mailing lists. I'll have a look later. I appreciate your spending time on this tedious problem. Sorry for spacing on the "edit" tab: d'oh! | 01:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Just checked the account: login works fine. Thanks again for your help! | 01:38 |
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| DawnFoster | happy to help! | 01:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a summary of the interesting announcements at computex? | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is it basically nothing. | 01:55 |
| leinir | It's all the announcements people wanted at the meego conference, and a few extra to boot (not the ones which were expected there, just a bunch of other, interesting ones ;) ) | 01:55 |
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| leinir | In particular i am pretty interested in Acer's tablet thing, that thing looks really pretty :) | 01:55 |
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| javispedro | announcements people wanted at the conf... if they had been about meego? ;P | 01:57 |
| leinir | javispedro: device announcements ;) | 01:58 |
| leinir | people were hoping on LG to show stuff, and Nokia to announce stuff... neither happened and people went all "waaah!" about it ;) | 01:59 |
| leinir | of course, good things came out of that, in that there's a community movement to getting hardware to happen as well :) | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. | 02:00 |
| lcuk | it is not fun to show devices and have them underperform because the software stack is having trouble | 02:00 |
| * SpeedEvil hopes so. | 02:00 | |
| lcuk | leinir, thp created a new game whilst at the meego conf | 02:00 |
| lcuk | ( along with some other folks ) | 02:00 |
| leinir | *nods* i saw that one, yeah, was pretty nifty :) multitouch pong type thing, yeah? :) | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | did he use the qt gaming thing that I cannot remember name of, or just from scratch? | 02:02 |
| lcuk | (I think from scratch because he has another game (rabbit game)) | 02:02 |
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| leinir | He used QML on its own, i believe - Gluon wasn't used for it :) | 02:04 |
| lcuk | would gluon have made it easier? | 02:07 |
| lcuk | and ta for reminding me the name | 02:07 |
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| leinir | Hmm... for this exact thing, no, i don't think so... the current components wouldn't be able to handle the multiple cursors, but it should be possible before the next beta :) | 02:09 |
| lcuk | leinir, I note he tweeted about adding the extra game related stuff after returning from the conf | 02:11 |
| lcuk | perhaps that is where gluon would excell - high scores menuing etc around the game, and then even with a native qml engine the rest of the game (chassis/shell/interior trim etc) could have come as standard gluon component set | 02:12 |
| leinir | *nods* Well, it might've been nice if he'd worked to add the multi input stuff to GluonInput... but it was supposed to be a demo of exactly that functionality in QML - it was less of a game and more of a demo of the multitoucharea ;) | 02:13 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | the best features come from tests | 02:14 |
| timeless | lcuk: does https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.135457363197760.34148.100002004927749 load for you? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | no | 02:14 |
| lcuk | and hiya \o | 02:14 |
| lcuk | should I signup for facebook to try? | 02:14 |
| timeless | hiya | 02:14 |
| timeless | no | 02:14 |
| timeless | i wouldn't want to force you to do that | 02:14 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:14 |
| lcuk | facebook will come with time | 02:15 |
| javispedro | lcuk++ | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a facebook account. | 02:15 |
| timeless | try the link :) | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - it's completely blank - and doesn't actually have my name on it. | 02:16 |
| lcuk | timeless, this is one of the most simple but effective uses for liqbase: teaching jake how to read and to tell the time in one go: | 02:16 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | facebook thinks I am called bob | 02:16 |
| lcuk | it sends me occasional emails | 02:16 |
| timeless | cool | 02:16 |
| timeless | lcuk; it could be worse | 02:16 |
| lcuk | indeed | 02:17 |
| lcuk | did you arrive in US already? | 02:17 |
| timeless | I'm in Toronto | 02:17 |
| timeless | for a while, timeless@gmail was an alternate email address for some black woman living in Ohio iirc | 02:17 |
| lcuk | cool | 02:17 |
| timeless | because facebook didn't validate alternate email addresses when you added them... | 02:18 |
| timeless | facepalm | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | As an aside. | 02:18 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: so it doesn't load? | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm impressed that facebook has OCR for pics | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, it loads | 02:19 |
| timeless | oh, the ascii art is mine | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | bob joe is a personage on facebook | 02:19 |
| * lcuk ponders asking it to send me password | 02:20 | |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: anyway, please feel free to browse through that gallery | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: It looks 'special'. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this an actual released device? | 02:21 |
| timeless | yes | 02:21 |
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| timeless | It's the n8, I'll add a slaes link or two to the main comment page | 02:21 |
| timeless | s/lae/ale/ | 02:21 |
| infobot | timeless meant: It's the n8, I'll add a sales link or two to the main comment page | 02:21 |
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| lcuk | eep | 02:24 |
| lcuk | where does facebook get friends from? | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it picking people you know? | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | If you put in your real name, it can put in people who've tagged you | 02:24 |
| timeless | lcuk: it does an *incredibly* good job of that | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It may also do similar browsing history | 02:25 |
| lcuk | timeless, yeah | 02:25 |
| timeless | i remember seeing facebook emails inviting me to join where it listed people i probably knew | 02:25 |
| timeless | iirc i knew them all | 02:25 |
| timeless | and they weren't necessarily people who the inviter knew | 02:25 |
| timeless | and this was years ago | 02:25 |
| timeless | (I joined this year) | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Skynet? Happened already. | 02:26 |
| lcuk | I notice it offers hotmail,yahoo,other as the emails to search | 02:26 |
| lcuk | do google and facebook not get on? | 02:26 |
| lcuk | when did I leave school? | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | 1996? | 02:27 |
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| timeless | google got annoyed at facebook swiping its data | 02:28 |
| * javispedro hits lcuk for registering | 02:28 | |
| timeless | but i'd imagine it still datamines google if you let it | 02:28 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:28 |
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| timeless | I'm waiting for one friend pairing between myself and my sister | 02:29 |
| timeless | once i do that, I'll have a connection between a CA.US friend network and my East Coast/Finland friend network | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | i best sleep | 02:31 |
| lcuk | just having the account is enough for today | 02:31 |
| timeless | https://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=67692068407 | 02:31 |
| timeless | is the app fwiw | 02:31 |
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| timeless | it's quite shiny | 02:31 |
| timeless | speedevil: give it a spin :) | 02:31 |
| timeless | minor warning, it will kill an IdeaPad if your network is as dense as DawnFoster's is | 02:31 |
| lcuk | btw timeless I can see the content now | 02:31 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 02:32 |
| timeless | DawnFoster: did you try it on a better computer? | 02:32 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: | 02:32 |
| DawnFoster | oops | 02:32 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: I did | 02:32 |
| timeless | Oh, and I meant to ask you what your social network score was. there's a button at the top of the view, I can't remember what it's called | 02:33 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: my dense portland network is the main portion with some subnetworks for family, open source people, intel and a past employer | 02:33 |
| DawnFoster | didn't look at the score | 02:33 |
| timeless | well, next time you get a chance, pull it up :) | 02:34 |
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| berndhs | if your social network score is low, does that mean your friends are useless? | 02:36 |
| berndhs | and do you tell them that ? | 02:36 |
| timeless | The app is well behaved in that it won't spam your wall unless you let it, and it doesn't really force you to. | 02:38 |
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| timeless | DawnFoster: at some point i think someone needs to arrange some lessons for Package owners | 02:40 |
| timeless | the experiences i've had with bugs in bugs.meego is rather depressing | 02:40 |
| timeless | (you can ask andre for pointers) | 02:40 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: I know | 02:40 |
| lcuk | facebook data mines from hotmail afaik | 02:40 |
| DawnFoster | I've been talking to Andre and our QA team | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: My popularity score is 0. | 02:41 |
| DawnFoster | I have a call with the QA manager in China this evening | 02:41 |
| lcuk | I see people I have not spoken to since msn days | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | (it's a fake ID) | 02:41 |
| timeless | So far it seems like people who need lessons are predominantly @intel | 02:41 |
| DawnFoster | and we are sending someone over to provide some how to work in an open source project training in 3 weeks | 02:41 |
| timeless | which means it should be possible to arrange some on site trainings | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: Openmoko did this especially well. | 02:41 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: done :) | 02:41 |
| timeless | :) | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: They appointed a open-source community manager that couldn't actually speak english. | 02:42 |
| DawnFoster | training scheduled at our QA offices in China / Beijing and another one here in Oregon | 02:42 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, got to the IntelRemastered event today and the collection of items was still being setup, returning tomorrow for a mini meego meetup with @mja_fin to see interactive exhibit | 02:42 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: interesting choice. Any places I can go to see the results? | 02:42 |
| lcuk | I also ponder whether if I put my calendar up on the wall it will be mistaken for a piece of art ;) | 02:43 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: fwiw, I'm 90 / Constellation of stars | 02:43 |
| timeless | I'm assuming Dawn's score will be much higher | 02:43 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: mine is 64 / solar system | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: openmoko.com | 02:44 |
| DawnFoster | honestly, I mostly use facebook to keep up with family | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And the complete lack of actual hardware. | 02:44 |
| DawnFoster | and use twitter for everything else | 02:44 |
| DawnFoster | I also actively prune and get rid of friends I don't really need on facebook | 02:44 |
| timeless | I'm mostly trying to use facebook for family / friends, and hopefully to find people/things in toronto | 02:45 |
| timeless | Facebook will also more or less automatically prune out friends you don't use | 02:45 |
| timeless | it doesn't unfriend them, but it will ignore their content | 02:45 |
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| reed | http://blogs.ft.com/businessblog/2011/06/loss-making-groupon-defines-itself-as-profitable/ | 02:46 |
| timeless | there's a moveon.org guy who's on TV right now talking about it | 02:46 |
| DawnFoster | I unfriend them :) | 02:46 |
| reed | shoot, sorry, wrong channel | 02:46 |
| timeless | Hi reed | 02:46 |
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| reed | hi timakima | 02:46 |
| reed | hi timeless | 02:46 |
| reed | what's wrong with me today :) | 02:46 |
| reed | tired, I guess | 02:46 |
| timeless | heh | 02:47 |
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| timeless | sorry i didn't meet up w/ you in SF | 02:48 |
| timeless | i also missed a bunch of others in south bay | 02:48 |
| timeless | but wow, your facebook settings are paranoid | 02:48 |
| reed | timeless, facebook saves the addressbooks that people submit, so when you join with your email address it suggests you the people that had your email in their addressbook | 02:48 |
| reed | and you feel welcome since the first second | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | GEtting data off the net is hard. | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I got a new phone line. | 02:49 |
| timeless | ah, so basically all of those people had submitted my email address | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Googling the number revealed 197 hits. | 02:49 |
| timeless | so it knew them | 02:49 |
| timeless | makes sense | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | In various directories. | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | After maybe 30 or 40 emails, that's down to 25 | 02:50 |
| timeless | speedevil: i got a 15 day sim in SFO | 02:50 |
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| timeless | the number had previously been used by someone who was being hounded by collections agencies | 02:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Joy. | 02:50 |
| timeless | so i got a bunch of calls from them at various annoying times | 02:50 |
| timeless | indeed | 02:50 |
| timeless | it was fun yelling at them | 02:50 |
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| timeless | idiots. | 02:50 |
| timeless | i especially liked that they claimed not to have caller id | 02:51 |
| timeless | "what's your phone number?" | 02:51 |
| timeless | "how should I know. don't you have caller id?!" | 02:51 |
| timeless | "this is a 15 day disposable sim that i just bought...." | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:52 |
| * SpeedEvil is surprised the nokia n900 usage study is still going on. | 02:59 | |
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| timeless | oh right, i should stop paying for the tv license | 03:03 |
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| timeless | speedevil: what's that? | 03:03 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: It's a study where you give up info for cash. | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | A app is installed on the n900 that tracks most user interaction. | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | And sends back data every day. | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Including things like cell-tower, errors, ... | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Websites visited, ... | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC 10 quid/3 months - I've just had the latest voucher from it. | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia/nielson | 03:06 |
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| timeless | lcuk: you should be able to shop for friends from my Maemo/MeeGo groups, and then from Andre + Quim's lists | 03:07 |
| lcuk | yeah I will do most of the facebook stuff tomorrow with local network | 03:07 |
| lcuk | rest of family are on there | 03:08 |
| * lcuk should put up some adverts for manchester developers to help with some things | 03:08 | |
| lcuk | qole already asked about the handwriting stuff, my recent twitter posts answer that | 03:08 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk | 03:09 |
| lcuk | timeless, if I had a way to sell preconfigured meego devices, I would have made rather a lot of sales recently | 03:16 |
| * lcuk noted iphone/ipad envy from many people :) | 03:16 | |
| timeless | lcuk: of your exopc? | 03:17 |
| timeless | i did a couple of exopc-meego demos | 03:17 |
| timeless | the first one was an absolute disaster | 03:17 |
| lcuk | i have ideapad | 03:17 |
| lcuk | te exopc has no keyboard and would need a stand etc | 03:17 |
| lcuk | this is self standing and operates like wall based unit :) | 03:17 |
| timeless | 1. i had let someone else mute the system sound when we watched a presentation on Presence (or some relative) | 03:17 |
| lcuk | timeless, I just run liqbase stuff - no faff, simple, reliable, usable | 03:18 |
| timeless | that meant that when we tried to watch youtube, there was no audio, and i didn't remember how to adjust the volume :( | 03:18 |
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| lcuk | yeah I saw your report | 03:18 |
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| * lcuk does not try stuff like that | 03:18 | |
| timeless | 2. i offered to test w/ media on a stick | 03:18 |
| lcuk | because internet is always crap and never been reliable | 03:18 |
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| timeless | and well, that failed. the house had 2 pc's w/ ps/2 keyboards | 03:18 |
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| lcuk | yeah that made me giggle | 03:19 |
| timeless | so i had no way to mount the stick | 03:19 |
| lcuk | timeless, opening the ideapad and filling in calendar and stuff | 03:19 |
| timeless | to be fair, that was documented in the packet they gave us | 03:19 |
| timeless | and i read it | 03:19 |
| lcuk | whilst sat at table in cafe | 03:19 |
| lcuk | makes people bang into chairs behind as they crane to see | 03:19 |
| timeless | does Bluetooth work on the ideapad? | 03:19 |
| lcuk | never tried | 03:19 |
| timeless | try | 03:19 |
| lcuk | hold on | 03:19 |
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| lcuk | it says so | 03:20 |
| timeless | that was the other downside. i had an n900 w/ bluemaemo, but since the exopc doesn't have a working bluetooth stack | 03:20 |
| lcuk | but I dunno how I would know it works | 03:20 |
| timeless | i couldn't use the n900 as a keyboard | 03:20 |
| timeless | try pairing w/ an n900 :) | 03:20 |
| timeless | (then try bluemaemo) | 03:20 |
| lcuk | well I dunno where to configure the luetooth visibility from | 03:21 |
| lcuk | so meh | 03:21 |
| lcuk | b | 03:21 |
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| lcuk | anyway, bedtime for real now, will test bluetooth from n900-de tomorrow | 03:22 |
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| julienf | good evening | 04:03 |
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| julienf | hope everyone who was in SF managed to recover | 04:04 |
| julienf | especially now that Acer anounced a device :D | 04:04 |
| leinir | Hehe, for certain values of recover ;) | 04:05 |
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| Andy80 | julienf: hi Julien!!! | 04:06 |
| leinir | Yes, people /have/ been talking about the unfortunate timing of these two conferences - swap them around and the negativity at the meegoconf could've been avoided... but oh well, then we wouldn't have had that community hardware thing moving ahead, right? ;) | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | What community hardware thing? | 04:07 |
| leinir | SpeedEvil: the one people have been going around saying wink-wink-nudge-nudge about since the conference ;) | 04:08 |
| * gabrbedd winks a leinir | 04:08 | |
| gabrbedd | at | 04:08 |
| julienf | leinir: it is still way to early to even call it a project. But it's moving forward... Not yet ready for primetime though.. | 04:09 |
| leinir | *nods* Oh absolutely :) | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume there is no channel or any public thingy for it? | 04:11 |
| julienf | SpeedEvil: I've just been back on IRC, so not yet :D | 04:11 |
| julienf | but right now, we're looking for someone from the community who's ACE at hardware adaptation | 04:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | julienf: Is this an actual funded project? | 04:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | You mean you have hardware - and you're looking for people to port to it? | 04:14 |
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| julienf | SpeedEvil: I can't speak much in public yet. We are working on something that's been driven by the community needs and that large companies can't provide. | 04:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | julienf: Are you meaning actual hardware design? | 04:17 |
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| berndhs | but it's not a rumor :P | 04:22 |
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| julienf | berndhs: what's not a rumor? | 04:24 |
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| berndhs | the thing you can't quite talk about | 04:25 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: we never found out if ash's rumor of a rumor was indeed a rumor or not. :-p | 04:26 |
| julienf | gabrbedd: what did Ash say? | 04:26 |
| berndhs | yeah he needs to get a move on that, current schedule for end of the world is October | 04:26 |
| berndhs | Ash was very non-specific | 04:27 |
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| gabrbedd | julienf: @MeeGoExpertes Looks like more announcements to come soon. Won't say anything just in case I jinx it :-) #meego [13 hours ago] | 04:29 |
| julienf | gabrbedd: cryptic.. Think I'll have to ask him what he means, but guess it's more connected to Nokia than anything else... | 04:30 |
| berndhs | he'll probably deny everything | 04:31 |
| gabrbedd | julienf: several of us gave him crap about spreading a rumor of a rumor. :-) | 04:31 |
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| julienf | berndhs: I'll make him speak :D | 04:31 |
| berndhs | yeah but then you'll keep it secret :) | 04:32 |
| julienf | berndhs: hmm.. who knows ;) | 04:32 |
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| tonberry_ | hi guys | 04:33 |
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| julienf | hey tonberry_ | 04:35 |
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| tonberry_ | sup, julienf | 04:40 |
| julienf | nothing much | 04:40 |
| julienf | looking at hardware platforms right now | 04:40 |
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| julienf | trying to buy couple of Pandaboards, but seems they're out of stock everywhere.. | 04:41 |
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| gabrbedd | julienf: that's actually on the pandaboard FAQ. They recommend that you go ahead and purchase it... since their vendors typically have them back-ordered. | 04:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - you may not be able to buy omap4 easily for a product. | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Many OMAP parts are 'for high volume OEM or ODM use, and are not available through our distributor chain' | 04:57 |
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| tonberry_ | what's OMAP btw? | 04:58 |
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| berndhs | tonberry_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP | 04:59 |
| gabrbedd | SpeedEvil: Right... but you gotta start /somewhere/ | 04:59 |
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| Ronksu | morning | 04:59 |
| tonberry_ | ic | 05:00 |
| tonberry_ | morning, Ronksu | 05:00 |
| berndhs | not just IC, SoC :) | 05:01 |
| tonberry_ | thx berndhs =P | 05:03 |
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| tonberry_ | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/texas-instruments-announces-multi-core-1-8ghz-omap4470-arm-proc/ | 05:17 |
| tonberry_ | thats the latest? | 05:18 |
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| gabrbedd | tonberry_: that's the future. | 05:20 |
| gabrbedd | "...expected to hit the OEM and OED markets in the first half of 2012..." | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The lead time on TI's chips makes me crazy. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | "I WANT THAT NOW!" | 05:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Note how far ahead intel announces stuff. | 05:27 |
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| tonberry_ | way to go | 05:28 |
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| julienf | gabrbedd: that's good timeline | 05:35 |
| julienf | gabrbedd: really need to understand better what Intel is up to... Aava is kinda dead right now... | 05:35 |
| tonberry_ | Intel is working close with meego right now | 05:41 |
| gabrbedd | julienf: Looks like that's intel's timeline, too... http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20110517/tc_digitaltrends/intelsmartphonepushpostponedagain_1 | 05:42 |
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| gabrbedd | props to Texrat for that link. | 05:42 |
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| julienf | gabrbedd: Intel is definitely in a difficult position, but I guess that makes them more committed to succeed | 05:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Intel's not in a difficult position. | 05:49 |
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| gabrbedd | julienf: it just sounded to me like they set priorities and made sure that they didn't screw up their bread-and-butter (server business). | 05:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Intel's OTC may be having trouble with MeeGo | 05:50 |
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| tonberry_ | i wonder how long it will takes | 06:05 |
| gabrbedd | how long... what will takes? | 06:06 |
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| tonberry_ | to make Intel product to run Meego on it | 06:10 |
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| gabrbedd | tonberry_: you mean a handset? 'Cos intel has to make one, first. :-p | 06:11 |
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| gabrbedd | tonberry_: otherwise, several intel-based meego devices were just announced at Computex this week. | 06:12 |
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| tonberry_ | yea, i mean handset | 06:12 |
| tonberry_ | not tablet | 06:12 |
| tonberry_ | =\ | 06:12 |
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| tonberry_ | into production | 06:13 |
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| tonberry_ | not some prototype showing in conference & disappear for few years | 06:14 |
| gabrbedd | yeah, i got it. | 06:14 |
| gabrbedd | my guess (FWIW) is that tablets will ship this fall near the 1.3 release. | 06:15 |
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| tonberry_ | it that so, thats no difference between Intel & Nokia | 06:15 |
| gabrbedd | Intel handsets (just a guess) around 1.4 | 06:16 |
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| gabrbedd | no difference... as in expected ship date? True. | 06:18 |
| tonberry_ | gabrbedd, yes. | 06:18 |
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| tonberry_ | & i dont think Nokia really concern bout Meego tho, they focus more on the window phones | 06:21 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:06 |
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| gabrbedd | hi | 07:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf at some media claiming a "32$ license fee" for meego | 07:16 |
| gabrbedd | link? | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | usual crap site: http://www.techeye.net/mobile/meego-will-be-dead-in-eight-months | 07:16 |
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| * gabrbedd finally sees the light at the end of his 4x-boot nightmare project... | 07:21 | |
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| tonberry_ | * zz | 07:28 |
| iekku | morning | 07:29 |
| gabrbedd | hi, iekku! | 07:29 |
| iekku | hi gabrbedd! | 07:30 |
| tonberry_ | morning iekku | 07:30 |
| iekku | ummh, free day and i'm already up | 07:30 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: 2 free days? | 07:30 |
| tonberry_ | sup, Stskeeps | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: not much | 07:31 |
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| tonberry_ | going for lunch soon | 07:31 |
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| iekku | gabrbedd, one paid vacation and this is just keeping my saldo hours | 07:33 |
| gabrbedd | ah... cool. | 07:35 |
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| pixelgeek | What rumor has Ash heard? | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably that the world ends on 20th and we won't see nokia's handset | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 07:37 |
| pixelgeek | Actually, I don't want to know. | 07:37 |
| pixelgeek | Like he says - it may jinx whatever it is... | 07:38 |
| gabrbedd | He won't say... but it was obviously something good. | 07:38 |
| gabrbedd | Maybe he heard that they're lowering the meego license fee. :-p | 07:39 |
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| pixelgeek | He's at Computex this week, right? | 07:39 |
| gabrbedd | yes | 07:39 |
| tonberry_ | who sets the license fee for meego? | 07:40 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: it's B.S. from the article stskeeps posted above ^^^ | 07:40 |
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| gabrbedd | tonberry_: I was just being silly... there is no license fee for meego. | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to pay your hardware vendors for stuff like codecs and hardware drivers but that's normal.. | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:41 |
| tonberry_ | yeah | 07:41 |
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| tonberry_ | no way Meego going to have license fee man | 07:41 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: it does actually beg a good question, if LF asks a fee for trademark usage ;) | 07:42 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: and in some parts of the world you might have to fork out protection money for using ffmpeg for gst; as in "pay this fee or get sued, even if it may not hold up" | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:43 |
| gabrbedd | Their website says that they do not. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: ah, good | 07:43 |
| gabrbedd | That is... the meego trademark usage page. | 07:43 |
| pixelgeek | I don't believe they do. I don't think you even need to be a member to use the TM if you're compliant | 07:43 |
| tonberry_ | did u guys checkout the meego fan page in fb? | 07:43 |
| pixelgeek | daily :) | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: what's on there now? :P | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | and which one | 07:44 |
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| tonberry_ | they close down the fan page & reopen another one, i think something to do with copyrights | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: URL please | 07:45 |
| tonberry_ | sec | 07:45 |
| pixelgeek | http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_44261675808 | 07:45 |
| tonberry_ | there.. lol | 07:45 |
| tonberry_ | this is the fan page i talking about | 07:46 |
| tonberry_ | https://www.facebook.com/pages/Meego-Fan-Club/116078908477265 | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah, good | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | the problem was that the former one claimed to be official | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | and media then thought it was | 07:47 |
| tonberry_ | yeah.. previously known as Meegoâ„¢ | 07:48 |
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| pixelgeek | And then there's http://www.facebook.com/meegoproject?sk=wall&filter=1 | 07:48 |
| tonberry_ | 3k of likes woot | 07:49 |
| tonberry_ | i wonder those fans really know what is meego? | 07:49 |
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| pixelgeek | Anything you want to see on the MeeGo facebook group page? | 07:52 |
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| pixelgeek | (apart from more product announcements, obviously) | 07:53 |
| gabrbedd | farmtown updates. | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | git commits! | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 07:53 |
| tonberry_ | change note & patches =D | 07:54 |
| pixelgeek | Yowser - git commits would crowd out everything else on the page! | 07:54 |
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| pixelgeek | I think Pete did post when Release 1.2 came out, complete with high level features and pointers to the release notes. | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | pixelgeek: add OBS commits on top of that | 07:55 |
| pixelgeek | I get the drift. | 07:55 |
| tonberry_ | Meego gona layoff the handset updates? | 07:56 |
| pixelgeek | Maybe we can include pointers to the pages people need to get to - wiki, OBS, etc | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: i think 1.3 handset will look dramatically different from 1.2 | 07:56 |
| tonberry_ | Stskeeps, any detail notes on 1.3 release? | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: first off, there's a hard push for systemd, wayland and such, and libmeegotouch deprecation | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | i think meego ux will be a basis | 07:58 |
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| tonberry_ | sounds good | 08:02 |
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| pixelgeek | OK - as suggested - http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=%2Fhome.php%3Fsk%3Dgroup_44261675808%26view%3Ddoc%26id%3D10150288099310809&h=18f12&cb=3&p=AT6Z5a5Q7FPOrYCNuUjbELfnG37Ch_8H-hzXLpjci_XCduICB4moxL54ugbYPtquUeGtsciz0fnC0z8P_dIGU1J5EV1HFa9P3QFxa7sETMJqdhBS | 08:06 |
| pixelgeek | ugh - sorry for the long URL | 08:06 |
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| pixelgeek | http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_44261675808&view=doc&id=10150288099310809 | 08:07 |
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| pixelgeek | 'night all | 08:08 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: night! | 08:08 |
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| alhadi | hello | 08:25 |
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| alhadi | new to meego | 08:25 |
| Bostik | morning | 08:26 |
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| alhadi | i have a quwstion | 08:27 |
| alhadi | i want to put the meego in Dell Inspiron netbook | 08:27 |
| alhadi | possible? | 08:27 |
| dm8tbr | probably, just download the netbook image, put it on a usb stick and boot it as a live system | 08:27 |
| gabrbedd | alhadi: what CPU and what graphics card do you have? | 08:28 |
| alhadi | one sec | 08:28 |
| alhadi | it has 2 GB ddr3 | 08:28 |
| alhadi | intel onboard gaphics | 08:28 |
| alhadi | and 350 GB hdd | 08:28 |
| alhadi | cpu is Intel Atom processor | 08:28 |
| gabrbedd | in an inspiron? | 08:28 |
| gabrbedd | an atom? | 08:28 |
| alhadi | yes | 08:28 |
| alhadi | ya | 08:28 |
| dm8tbr | you said intel. they mighty intel overlords of meego smile upon your device, it shall be blessed... | 08:28 |
| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: prolly sthg like this? http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-mini-netbooks?cs=19 | 08:29 |
| gabrbedd | oh, i see... it's their netbook line. | 08:29 |
| gabrbedd | alhadi: yeah... what dm8tbr said... it'll probably work. | 08:30 |
| iekku | dm8tbr, :DDDDD | 08:30 |
| alhadi | its dell inspiron mini 10v | 08:30 |
| alhadi | atom n455 1.66 ghz | 08:30 |
| gabrbedd | alhadi: you may have trouble with the wifi card depending on what kind you have. | 08:30 |
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| dm8tbr | iekku: what? O;-) | 08:30 |
| iekku | "they mighty intel overlords of meego smile upon your device, it shall be blessed..." | 08:31 |
| alhadi | wireless, dell 802.11b/g wireless | 08:31 |
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| alhadi | i hope it works boss | 08:31 |
| alhadi | love to put linux based distro | 08:31 |
| alhadi | meego is what i got influenced | 08:31 |
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| alhadi | meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img is what i am downloading | 08:33 |
| alhadi | once done i will use win32 disk imager to put it in 2 gb sandisk 2 gb | 08:34 |
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| sofar | alhadi try live-booting and see if everything works | 08:40 |
| sofar | you can try the netbook image before installing it | 08:40 |
| sofar | looking at the specs I think your wireless should work fine as well | 08:41 |
| alhadi | cool | 08:42 |
| alhadi | becuz i just purchased that laptop | 08:42 |
| alhadi | new in the market :) | 08:42 |
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| alhadi | it has windows 7 bull shit loaded | 08:42 |
| alhadi | slows everything | 08:42 |
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| sofar | if I may ask, how much was it? | 08:45 |
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| sofar | how large is the screen? 10 inch? | 08:45 |
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| alhadi | yes | 08:47 |
| alhadi | it was like 1200 AED | 08:47 |
| * alhadi is in dubai | 08:48 | |
| sofar | ok, about 325 USD | 08:48 |
| alhadi | yep | 08:48 |
| alhadi | i got it cheap | 08:48 |
| alhadi | like 10 percent OFF | 08:48 |
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| alhadi | sofar Microsoft Windows 7 Starter it came with this shit | 08:52 |
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| alhadi | need to remove and put meego :) | 08:52 |
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| gabrbedd | alhadi: yes, W7 Starter is a complete joke. | 08:54 |
| alhadi | indeed | 08:54 |
| alhadi | cannot even change the theme , totally mess | 08:54 |
| alhadi | atleast in linux you can do whatever you like | 08:54 |
| alhadi | and its free :) | 08:54 |
| gabrbedd | alhadi: I got one of those convertable lenovo netbooks with a multi-touch screen... and W7 Starter. | 08:55 |
| alhadi | nice | 08:55 |
| gabrbedd | alhadi: one *nice* feature of W7 Starter is that multi-touch is disabled. | 08:55 |
| gabrbedd | #fail | 08:55 |
| boss | gabrbedd: Error: "fail" is not a valid command. | 08:55 |
| alhadi | ah | 08:55 |
| gabrbedd | The only benefit to W7 Starter is that it knocks about $80 off the price. | 08:55 |
| alhadi | i just hate windows/ full of bugs and errors, ppl are now switching to linux | 08:55 |
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| alhadi | also in windows 7 you cannot run full fledged 3dMax or Autocad smoothly | 08:56 |
| alhadi | slows down system and hangs | 08:56 |
| alhadi | xp is mighty OS | 08:56 |
| alhadi | all business / home users are still using it with confidence. | 08:57 |
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| gabrbedd | good night, all... | 09:21 |
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| tonberry_ | i found using meego in handset is more interesting =) | 09:52 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i'm fairly sure 32$ license fee is FUD | 09:59 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I've never head that .. | 10:04 |
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| alterego | ~heard | 10:04 |
| alterego | Also seems like a stupid price .. | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, why not 42$ | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be nice and geeky ;) | 10:05 |
| alterego | :) | 10:06 |
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| alterego | How come finland has .fi and uk doesn't :( | 10:07 |
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| alterego | .org.uk it is | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | history | 10:08 |
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| alterego | I should find a sponsor | 10:09 |
| alterego | Hey, have your name all over my website. | 10:09 |
| alterego | Just give me money | 10:09 |
| alterego | meegonetwork.org.uk purchased :) | 10:10 |
| jukkaekl | alterego, if uk is not working out for you feel free to move to fi :) | 10:10 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:10 |
| tonberry_ | lol | 10:10 |
| alterego | I can't I just bought the bloody domain now :P | 10:11 |
| jukkaekl | tampere is a nice place | 10:11 |
| alterego | Maybe I can sell it to MeeGoExperts | 10:11 |
| jukkaekl | :) | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | 25 C in tampere on monday, hmm.. | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | that'll be an unusual experience | 10:11 |
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| jukkaekl | nothing unusual abou that these days | 10:15 |
| jukkaekl | weve got that quite often now in summer | 10:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah, global warming ;) | 10:16 |
| jukkaekl | what else I can think of to advertise finland.. | 10:16 |
| jukkaekl | beautiful people, in general .) | 10:16 |
| jukkaekl | and smart too | 10:16 |
| alterego | So I was thinking of getting MeeGo involved in internet enabled jukeboxes (for pubs & bars) and also those internet connected game things they have in bars. | 10:16 |
| Bostik | moonlight skinny-dipping? :) | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: sounds like a good market | 10:16 |
| alterego | Maybe even POS machines, supermarket checkout systems. | 10:17 |
| * lbt_hel considers buying meegonetwork.org.jm ... | 10:17 | |
| jukkaekl | Bostik, yes we have that of course and midsummer is near | 10:17 |
| alterego | meegonetwork.org.jam? | 10:17 |
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| dm8tbr | alterego: its yet another embedded thing to build from. so anything goes | 10:17 |
| lbt_hel | I hust figure the parties will be really good | 10:17 |
| jukkaekl | lbt_hel, in finland? | 10:18 |
| alterego | :) | 10:18 |
| jukkaekl | in summer in finland is like the party country | 10:19 |
| lbt_hel | I am.... I was kinda hoping that if I bought the jamaican domain I'd get invites there too ;) | 10:19 |
| jukkaekl | in other 10 months of the year, not so much.. | 10:19 |
| * jukkaekl is not typing under the influence though it might seem like that | 10:20 | |
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| alterego | Heh | 10:20 |
| alterego | Okay, setup my DNS for the domain, mail and www | 10:21 |
| alterego | Maybe I'll setup gopher | 10:21 |
| jukkaekl | gopher brings back good memories | 10:21 |
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| alterego | Holy cow, it couldn't have started working that quickly .. | 10:22 |
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| jukkaekl | "Welcome to The King William IV" :) | 10:23 |
| alterego | sssh! | 10:23 |
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| tonberry_ | hey guys wana ask something off topic, I looking for dlna adapter for non-dlna tv, any thoughts? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | a PC? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | : | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | P | 10:41 |
| tonberry_ | hmm pc or mobile phone | 10:41 |
| tonberry_ | to share photos & movie to tv | 10:41 |
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| alterego | Aww, I remember a meegon under construction type banner | 10:53 |
| alterego | With all the meegons with hard hats and stuff. | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | it was proposed for R&D meego at least | 10:54 |
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| alhadi | Hi | 10:55 |
| alhadi | installed meego , but no WIFI :( | 10:56 |
| alhadi | on wired and bluetooth | 10:56 |
| alhadi | how am i suppose to put wireless on this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 | 10:56 |
| alhadi | ? | 10:56 |
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| alhadi | how to i upgrade packages in meego? | 11:07 |
| alhadi | whats the command | 11:07 |
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| thp | alhadi: with zypper - check out "zypper --help" | 11:11 |
| alhadi | ok | 11:11 |
| alhadi | can i do dist upgrade? | 11:12 |
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| thp | alhadi: google says "zypper dup" | 11:14 |
| alhadi | sure | 11:14 |
| pebcak | be prepared for it not work out :P | 11:15 |
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| thp | i'm also more used to debian-based systems with apt goodness. although i have to say that i was surprised how quick rpm installs single .rpm files compared to dpkg installing single .deb files | 11:17 |
| thp | i have thought about writing a thin wrapper script so that i can use apt-get/apt-cache and the wrapper script will convert the calls to the correct zypper commands | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | alias apt-get zypper | 11:19 |
| thp | hehe ;) you would at least alias apt-cache as well. for "apt-cache search" | 11:19 |
| thp | and i think apt-get update is like zypper ref(resh)? | 11:20 |
| Bostik | yup | 11:20 |
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| thp | while we are at it.. when uploading something to the obs, do i need to have a separate .tar.gz file plus a .spec file, or is it possible to e.g. put the .spec directly in the tarball and just upload that? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | specs are seperate as it's packaging to a upstream release | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably script your way out of that with osc plugins | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's python after all | 11:23 |
| thp | in debian we have "native" packages for packages - no such thing for rpm/meego? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | no such thing | 11:24 |
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| alhadi | hello | 11:24 |
| alhadi | thank you thp | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | thp: occasionally you can cheat and not even have a tarball, but that usually means no subdirs | 11:24 |
| alhadi | http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html | 11:24 |
| alhadi | found out that there is a workaround to get wifi working | 11:25 |
| alhadi | just in progress , will let you guys know the result | 11:25 |
| thp | Stskeeps: another short q: is building directly out of a git repository possible? | 11:27 |
| thp | i.e. set up an obs project that automatically builds nightly packages out of a specific branch? | 11:28 |
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| thp | or do i need to script this client-side? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | thp: yes, with source services, but it happens server-side | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm not sure if david closed my bug on SS's yet | 11:29 |
| pebcak | thp git-buildpackage-like? | 11:29 |
| jrayhawk | thp: dpkg is overparanoid about syncing; use of something like 'sudo eatmydata apt-get install whatever; sync' helps significantly | 11:31 |
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| thp | jrayhawk: that explains that, yep :) | 11:34 |
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| dwmw2 | 357 messages on my queue for nokia.com ... | 11:43 |
| dwmw2 | and still no response from postmaster@ | 11:43 |
| dwmw2 | any nokians about? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt_hel: you know anyone who could reasonably contact the monsters in the basement doing nokia.com mail? | 11:45 |
| dwmw2 | hm, do nokia *defer* mail for ex-employees, or actually reject it? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | dwmw2: that's a good question | 11:46 |
| dwmw2 | I note all of these are to four addresses, one of whom I think now has an @intel.com address. | 11:46 |
| dwmw2 | while it accepts other mail | 11:46 |
| dwmw2 | can I give you four names in private and you can check my hypothesis? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, sure | 11:46 |
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| alterego | Urgh, how to manage multiple twitter accounts O_O | 11:49 |
| lcuk | dwmw2, is this bugzilla mail? | 11:49 |
| dwmw2 | lcuk: no. mailing lists (linux-arm-kernel, linux-mtd, etc.) | 11:49 |
| dwmw2 | I mailed postmaster@nokia on Wednesday night (actually Thursday morning I think) and haven't got a reply. | 11:50 |
| dwmw2 | 2011-06-02 01:20:46 +0000 1QRwab-0006eO-OS <= dwmw2@infradead.org H=i7.infradead.org [2001:8b0:10b:1:225:64ff:fee8:e9df] P=esmtpsa X=TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256 A=plain:dwmw2 S=1440 id=1306977628.8100.37.camel@i7.infradead.org | 11:51 |
| dwmw2 | 2011-06-02 01:20:49 +0000 1QRwab-0006eO-OS => postmaster@nokia.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mx2.nokia.com [147.243.177.58] X=TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256 C="250 2.0.0 p521KUYu031047 Message accepted for delivery" | 11:51 |
| dwmw2 | *that* message got through :) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it is like people on vacation and mailbox full or something? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it is stupid exchange.. | 11:51 |
| dwmw2 | it boggles my mind that people actually try to use Exchange for real email | 11:52 |
| alhadi | YAY | 11:52 |
| alhadi | got my wifi working | 11:52 |
| alhadi | :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | dwmw2: intel has that too, though? | 11:52 |
| dwmw2 | yes :( | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | i guess linux.intel.com is then non-exchange | 11:52 |
| dwmw2 | which is why I've been giving Intel peeps alternative, *functional* email addresses for the last decade so that they can do their day job. | 11:53 |
| dwmw2 | correct | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:53 |
| tonberry_ | ;[ | 11:54 |
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| thp | ..and we have Mong built on the OBS.. http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/thp/ (probably only makes sense on meego tablet, though) | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 12:03 |
| thp | one target failed, but obs tells me that rpmbuild and such are missing, so i guess that's a builder problem | 12:03 |
| thp | meego_current_Core with armv8el | 12:04 |
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| X-Fade | thp: I need to do some cleanup there. | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | thp: That is bascially old stuff. Which needs to be removed. | 12:06 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk | 12:09 |
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| alhadi | gents, how can i install mp3 plugin? | 12:11 |
| alhadi | seems that it wont play mp3 at all | 12:12 |
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| * alterego wonders what to base his network site on .. drupal, wordpress, something I build myself .. | 12:14 | |
| Stskeeps | QML? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | ;p | 12:14 |
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| alterego | Teeheehee, yeah, I'll probably write a qml app :) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | seriously though, if you can do a flash to html5, why can't you with qml. | 12:15 |
| alhadi | ??? | 12:15 |
| alterego | We need a webkit qml plugin | 12:15 |
| alterego | To use object tags type application/qml or something .. | 12:16 |
| inz | Gtk+ dhtml back-end! | 12:16 |
| lcuk | surely the most future proof method of building the web is with an Visual Basic ActiveX DHTML | 12:17 |
| alterego | I was actually talking to some Qt guys about that at meegoconf I'd completely forgotton | 12:17 |
| alterego | lcuk: forgot: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk | 12:17 |
| lcuk | i saw it a few posts up | 12:17 |
| alterego | Ideas and input welcome, follow @MeeGoNetworkUK on twitter | 12:17 |
| alterego | Got a facebook group setup too. | 12:17 |
| lcuk | alterego, you made a spelling mistake | 12:18 |
| alterego | Anyway, I should probably do some work ;) | 12:18 |
| alterego | lcuk: :S where?! | 12:18 |
| lcuk | lol j/k :P | 12:18 |
| alterego | phew :P | 12:18 |
| lcuk | but I bet you looked | 12:18 |
| alterego | I almost bought meegonotwerk.org.uk | 12:18 |
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| sandst1 | alhadi: mp3 is not included to MeeGo by default due to licensing stuff. you have to compile a couple of components http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=279 | 12:19 |
| inz | alterego, that would have been much better =) | 12:19 |
| alterego | dneary_: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk I need graphics and all that jazz, where are the svgs?! :) | 12:19 |
| * lcuk dds up handset ux on n900-de | 12:19 | |
| alterego | I should probably email meego-community | 12:20 |
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| priyanka | has somebody rried selinux with meego | 12:21 |
| alterego | Or maybe wait until I actually have a site up ;) | 12:21 |
| Ronksu | alterego: if you find a nice way to handle multiple twitter accounts, let me know. Tweetdeck seemed nice (jus tried out yesterday), but would be nice to hear of other options | 12:21 |
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| lbt_hel | Stskeeps: back now ... mail still an issue? | 12:21 |
| alterego | Ronksu: yeah, I'm thinking just seperate devices :P | 12:22 |
| alterego | I'm gonna get some MeeGoNetworkUK stickers done. | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt_hel: think so | 12:22 |
| lbt_hel | ok will ask | 12:22 |
| alterego | And some t-shirts | 12:22 |
| alterego | I should get someone to look for sponsors for me actually. | 12:23 |
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| alterego | Why did I do this, now I've got even more crap to organie :S | 12:24 |
| Ronksu | alterego: the curse of enthusiasm :) | 12:25 |
| thp | X-Fade: well as long as it's not a problem with the package it's okay | 12:25 |
| alterego | I'm gonna hack together a facebook plugin or something to generate a list of events from the facebook group | 12:25 |
| alterego | To show on the page | 12:25 |
| alterego | At the very least that'll be useful for now. | 12:25 |
| lbt_hel | Stskeeps: phaeron knows someone... not here right now though | 12:26 |
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| lcuk | If I were a meego vendor wanting to make a meego based project and sell actual physical hardware with this included, do I need to duplicate the entire meego site? (bugzilla, site, wiki, mailing lists etc) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no | 12:27 |
| lcuk | well supposing I wanted to create meego exactly like it currently is, but with mp3 codec added | 12:27 |
| alterego | If I were a vendor I'd hope I'd already have bugzilla ;) | 12:27 |
| lcuk | I could not call it meego | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: generally just obs needed.. | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | and mic2 | 12:28 |
| lcuk | alterego, many many companies have minimal web presence | 12:28 |
| alterego | lcuk: I don't even have a personal website ;) | 12:28 |
| lcuk | got a bug, send us a real letter. | 12:28 |
| alterego | Though I'm freelance | 12:28 |
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| tonberry_ | as long as u own a fb acc | 12:29 |
| tonberry_ | u can start from there | 12:29 |
| lcuk | not really | 12:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:29 |
| tonberry_ | create fan page.. lol | 12:30 |
| Mirv | lbt_hel: do you have time to add me (id tjyrinki) to public obs or will I bug x f a d e about it? | 12:30 |
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| lbt_hel | Mirv: done :) | 12:32 |
| lbt_hel | lcuk: that's a good question | 12:32 |
| lcuk | is there any vendor who has to date managed to get over hte UX hurdle and create a whole UX + prerequisite apps for their machine | 12:32 |
| lbt_hel | I have the answer | 12:32 |
| lcuk | ooh | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: wetab? | 12:32 |
| Mirv | lbt_hel: thx, now I'm able to think of new stuff to put on my n900 :) | 12:33 |
| lcuk | what specific elements does wetab have in addition to the launcher? | 12:33 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, is wetab a meego build though? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | I thought it was based on ubuntu? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, though not advertised as such | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's meego 1.1 based | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | or 1.0, i forget | 12:34 |
| lbt_hel | lcuk: so .. can you wait until I get back and paste about 4 pages of blah into the wiki? | 12:35 |
| lbt_hel | then help me structure it and edit it | 12:35 |
| lcuk | lbt_hel, for sure, just trying to start some discussion as usual | 12:36 |
| lcuk | sounds like a plan, but at about 3pm I am out for a bit | 12:36 |
| lcuk | calling back into manchester to see IntelRemastered art in the Cube gallery | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | one of the MeeGo guys who I met and who is active on the forums is coming :) | 12:37 |
| * lcuk will put calendar up on the gallery wall to see if people mistake it for art | 12:37 | |
| lcuk | a living breathing evolving art piece. :) | 12:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, http://digitalcamerabattery.us/blog/wetab-comes-with-an-open-operating-system-meego/ | 12:39 |
| lcuk | when they were announcing it, somehow they were running it based on Windows 7 | 12:40 |
| lcuk | but anyway | 12:41 |
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| moystard | hello everyone | 12:41 |
| moystard | hope you are all doing well | 12:41 |
| lcuk | \o hello | 12:42 |
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| moystard | I have a question for the users of the IVI version. I am trying to use the embedded PocketSphynx text to speech but it does not seem to work. I checked the .xsession-errors file but it does not seem to be running... | 12:42 |
| moystard | how is it supposed to work? | 12:42 |
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| lcuk | moystard, not sure | 12:45 |
| lcuk | I did not even know the IVI had text to speech built in | 12:45 |
| moystard | it has pocketsphinx | 12:45 |
| lcuk | well I gather that based on what you said | 12:45 |
| moystard | it seems that PulseAudio refuses the connection | 12:45 |
| lcuk | I shall have to try it | 12:45 |
| * lcuk has wanted irc to speech on this channel for a while ;) | 12:45 | |
| moystard | lol | 12:46 |
| moystard | makes sense | 12:46 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#IRC | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | ask in #meego-ivi | 12:46 |
| moystard | ok ok | 12:47 |
| lcuk | oh | 12:47 |
| * lcuk never knew it existed and knows why | 12:47 | |
| moystard | explain :) | 12:47 |
| lcuk | it needs boosting | 12:47 |
| moystard | what do you mean? | 12:48 |
| * lcuk is not sure it is an official irc channel | 12:48 | |
| lcuk | (the main channels normally have a few more people in | 12:48 |
| moystard | yup, I have no luck. I know that the IVI version is far from being the most popular one... | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | moystard, it is the fastest one though! | 12:58 |
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| lcuk | at least until MeeGo Orbital Infotainment build arrives | 12:58 |
| moystard | I have never heard of meego orbital | 12:59 |
| moystard | :P | 12:59 |
| moystard | ls | 12:59 |
| moystard | I will just try to figure it out by myself | 13:00 |
| moystard | or contact the maintainer of the package | 13:00 |
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| lcuk | moystard, the Orbital build is only stalled waiting for beta testers | 13:02 |
| lcuk | the latest conference included a session building scale models of the orbital insertion technology (catapults) | 13:03 |
| lcuk | and tested using some rather annoyed feathered beasts | 13:03 |
| lcuk | moystard, feedback any info you find onto the wiki/irc etc please | 13:04 |
| moystard | will do :) | 13:04 |
| moystard | Is it a private beta or a public one? | 13:04 |
| moystard | would be interested to try it out | 13:04 |
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| moystard | zypper does not provide the maintainer of the package :/ | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -q | 13:07 |
| moystard | rpm -qi does not provide as well | 13:09 |
| moystard | gives complete information but not the maintainer | 13:09 |
| moystard | sure that rpm descriptions in meego include the maintainer? | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, maybe | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | changelog otherwise good | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | -q --changelog | 13:12 |
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| alterego | Yay, http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/ | 13:15 |
| alterego | Wrote a little integration into facebook events :) | 13:15 |
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| lcuk | dd taking an ice age today | 13:33 |
| lcuk | oh | 13:34 |
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| lcuk | mental note, actually press enter on the dd command line to let it start | 13:34 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:35 |
| alterego | Hahahah | 13:35 |
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| alterego | I should probably have a shower. | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | shower, wassat? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:43 |
| alterego | And do some proper work .. | 13:44 |
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| alhadi | can meego run exe files? | 13:46 |
| iekku | proper work, what is that? | 13:46 |
| alhadi | can meego run exe files? | 13:47 |
| iekku | alhadi, i don't think so, but i'm not the smartest one in here | 13:48 |
| moystard | I guess that you can probably use wine to run windows executables | 13:48 |
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| alterego | But only on Intel .. | 13:48 |
| moystard | yup | 13:48 |
| lcuk | he never said windows executables | 13:48 |
| lcuk | he said exe files | 13:48 |
| moystard | he said exe | 13:48 |
| alterego | lcuk: yes ... | 13:48 |
| iekku | moystard, does wine work with meego? | 13:48 |
| lcuk | I can rename a shell script to script.exe | 13:48 |
| moystard | I thought he was implying windows exec | 13:48 |
| alterego | Maybe dosbox then :D | 13:48 |
| lcuk | and it will run | 13:49 |
| moystard | lcuk, :P | 13:49 |
| alhadi | actually | 13:49 |
| moystard | it depends which kind of exe you want to run | 13:49 |
| alhadi | i want to install typing tutor :) | 13:49 |
| alhadi | sorry guys for the confusion | 13:49 |
| iekku | hmmm, need to try wine some day | 13:49 |
| alhadi | its a portable | 13:49 |
| alhadi | :) | 13:49 |
| lcuk | aldWindows binary executables do not run in MeeGo | 13:49 |
| lcuk | since meego is a Linux based OS | 13:49 |
| lcuk | you need Linux binaries | 13:50 |
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| alhadi | hmm | 13:50 |
| moystard | or you need a virtual machine | 13:50 |
| alhadi | i see | 13:50 |
| moystard | or an emulator | 13:50 |
| lcuk | moystard, extra confusion | 13:50 |
| lcuk | simplest is no | 13:50 |
| moystard | but it is not the truth | 13:50 |
| moystard | this is a biased vision :) | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | (since most folks who want to run exes would not get emulator etc running | 13:50 |
| moystard | it is better to find an alternative of your windows software for linux | 13:50 |
| moystard | but if you have no other solutions | 13:51 |
| lcuk | sod that | 13:51 |
| moystard | could work | 13:51 |
| lcuk | write it from scratch | 13:51 |
| lcuk | if you want to learn typing then open an IDE editor and learn to type by writing a typing tutor program | 13:51 |
| lcuk | :) | 13:51 |
| alhadi | lol | 13:51 |
| alhadi | its for my wife | 13:51 |
| alhadi | she dont know abc of linux | 13:51 |
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| moystard | I am sure it exists a few typing tutors apps for linux | 13:51 |
| lcuk | then get her to write a typing tutor application | 13:51 |
| alhadi | i recommend her for putting meego | 13:51 |
| alhadi | meego my fav | 13:52 |
| alhadi | hmm | 13:52 |
| alhadi | she cannot write :( | 13:52 |
| alhadi | programming | 13:52 |
| * lcuk is part way through writing a writing tutor program :) | 13:52 | |
| moystard | ?? | 13:52 |
| dneary_ | alterego, ? | 13:52 |
| lcuk | alhadi, anybody can write computer programs | 13:52 |
| lcuk | the distinction is whether they compile or not | 13:52 |
| dneary_ | alterego, Which SVGs? | 13:52 |
| alhadi | i have no clue for making it boss | 13:52 |
| vvaltone | yes, I want to run the full microsoft word on my mobile phone too | 13:52 |
| dneary_ | lcuk: I dig what you're saying. I wrote a basic program once and it didn't compile. | 13:53 |
| iekku | vvaltone, then you can buy new nokia... i will be suprised if word not included ;) | 13:53 |
| dneary_ | And then the same thing happened when I wrote my first Python program | 13:53 |
| moystard | bye guys | 13:53 |
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| lcuk | dneary_, :D | 13:54 |
| dneary_ | lcuk: :-P~~~ | 13:54 |
| iekku | vvaltone, or maybe they have some lisence for it, only 100$ or so... | 13:54 |
| lcuk | alhadi, my girlfriend learn to type using instant messaging | 13:55 |
| vvaltone | dneary_, that's probably because gcc doesn't understand python | 13:55 |
| vvaltone | iekku, I was rather thinking about running the desktop version of word on one of those x86 intel phones | 13:56 |
| alterego | dneary_: don't worry, Texrat said he'd hook me up. I've started setting up http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/ | 13:56 |
| lcuk | alhadi, if you have 2 computers in the house, just talking to your wife is simply | 13:56 |
| lcuk | simple | 13:56 |
| alhadi | ok :) | 13:56 |
| alhadi | her english is poor | 13:56 |
| lcuk | I am sure some others here will also talk to your wife too | 13:56 |
| lcuk | alhadi, but you can talk with her and help each other | 13:57 |
| alhadi | i help her | 13:57 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 13:57 |
| amjad_ | i have a programming interview online right now, lets see if my program compiles :) | 13:57 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:57 |
| * Stskeeps stabs the stupid blog media for thinking meego has a 32$ license fee | 14:04 | |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: you're saying that because you didn't get your cut :-P | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: :( | 14:06 |
| thiago_home | anyway, it's very frustrating to read engadget's comments | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: on a sidenote, were you in the qt5 planning bof? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | at meegoconf | 14:06 |
| thiago_home | no one gets anything there | 14:06 |
| thiago_home | yeah, I ran it :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | does anyone have notes? | 14:06 |
| thiago_home | I do | 14:06 |
| dneary_ | vvaltone, yathink? :) | 14:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, where does the license thing come from? | 14:07 |
| thiago_home | need to post them to meego-dev | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: thanks - i'm starting to look at how 1.3, wayland, n900 and qt5 are connected for planning's sake so that stuff matters to me :) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: techeye.net, the usual @@% | 14:07 |
| thiago_home | summary is: track both 4.8+scenegraph and 5.0 for some time | 14:08 |
| thiago_home | then around end of August make a decision which one to go for | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | nice, 4.8+scenegraph exists/will exist? | 14:08 |
| thiago_home | exists | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 14:08 |
| thiago_home | either way, it will be a non-standard version of Qt. A non-release. | 14:08 |
| lcuk | never heard of it | 14:08 |
| lcuk | so it cannot be the usual | 14:08 |
| thiago_home | 5-beta has more of what MeeGo wants, including getting rid of the widget legacy in the main libraries | 14:09 |
| lcuk | specific link | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess not specifically needed for 1.3 | 14:09 |
| thiago_home | but getting it releasable by October is a callenge | 14:09 |
| thiago_home | challenge | 14:09 |
| thiago_home | the scene graph currently runs on 4.8, but we'll start making changes that will break that compatibility | 14:10 |
| thiago_home | we also agreed that this version of Qt will not be the default on the device. It will be enabled only for programs that have been tested to work with it. | 14:11 |
| thiago_home | other programs will run with stock 4.8 on X11 | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's better than brutally forking | 14:11 |
| clbr | hi. I'm trying to install the most recent pinetrail image to my brand new exopc, but I can't "klick" on the right-arrow-button in the bottom right corner after the live image got copied to the hard drive. I feel like I'm about to cry | 14:14 |
| clbr | I'll file a but that's not a good idea to have crucial buttons in an installer unnecessary placed very smaller at the screen corner, but in the meantime anyone got a hint how I can solve this? | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | clbr: bugs.meego.com is a good start | 14:15 |
| clbr | I've used the bugtracker | 14:15 |
| w00t | thiago_home: 5 already has the widgets split? | 14:15 |
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| clbr | It should be possible to mount the exopc to my desktop computer and write the image directly from there, but then probably the live image is contained in the installer image and not easily accessible from an OS X system, isn't it? | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | clbr: if it's copied to the hd drive it should be fine to reboot, i would think | 14:18 |
| clbr | Stskeeps: thanks for helping. Unfortunately it isn't (at least the one time a tried). the device complains about a missing boot system after reboot | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | clbr: hmm | 14:19 |
| clbr | Is there the live image availabe somewhere on OBS? | 14:19 |
| clbr | without the USB stick installer package around? | 14:19 |
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| * alterego feels refreshed | 14:20 | |
| clbr | maybe I've got again faulty hardware and it's not an installer issue but something with the SSD drive | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | or just unlucky - got a usb mouse? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | clbr, https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 14:22 |
| clbr | when using the power button, the console has ext-fs3 inode errors | 14:22 |
| lcuk | includes isntructions about image-writer wrapper program to create usb-disk image | 14:23 |
| slaine | From the mac you should just be able to use dd to write the image to the usb flash drive | 14:23 |
| clbr | lcuk: this is about writing the installer image to an usb stick, isn't it? I'm doing this since april successfully. | 14:24 |
| clbr | I'm thinking about writing to the exopc directly from the Mac, skipping the Meego installer | 14:24 |
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| lcuk | clbr, dunno, everyone I have seen installing meego uses a usb stick to bootstrap everything | 14:25 |
| * lcuk has a MeeGo conf Dublin usb stick on his car keys | 14:25 | |
| clbr | lcuk: yeah, me too :-( | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | the shamrock shaped keyring portion is better than any other usb key I have | 14:25 |
| lcuk | and infact makes it look like a real key :) | 14:26 |
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| w00t | clbr: what error are you getting? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | clbr: maybe you wrote the image incorrectly | 14:26 |
| amjad_ | and my code does not compile :) | 14:27 |
| w00t | recent (1.2.80) images have been completely broken | 14:27 |
| clbr | Stskeeps: the meego installer successfully runs but then either hangs at the end of writing the live image or doesn't react to my "clicks" on the next step button | 14:27 |
| clbr | I'll got through everything again and note the exact errors | 14:28 |
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| slaine | clbr: Don't have the ExoPC hardware ( :( ) but I doubt you'd have raw access to the internal storage | 14:30 |
| leinir | When you say "internal storage" what do you mean? | 14:30 |
| clbr | slaine: probably you're right. I'm used to this "target disk mode" | 14:30 |
| slaine | leinir: he was wanting to write the image directly to the ExoPC internal flash storage | 14:31 |
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| slaine | i.e. it's hard drive | 14:31 |
| leinir | Well, that should be fairly straight forward - the internal flash storage is just a standard unit :) | 14:32 |
| clbr | might there be something wrong with the latest image 1.2.0.90.2.20110602.1 ? | 14:32 |
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| thiago_home | w00t: yes | 14:32 |
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| leinir | As in, it's just a PCIe SSD :) | 14:33 |
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| w00t | thiago_home: hmm :-) | 14:33 |
| clbr | I wanted to check if bug #15472 is solved | 14:33 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15472 maj, High, ---, kai.chai, ASSI, Bluetooth: after system booting, hci0 is DOWN and unable to be UP (30% possibility) | 14:33 |
| w00t | I really need to check it out soon | 14:33 |
| clbr | leinir: but it's probably not accessible as USB mass storage device | 14:35 |
| slaine | exactly | 14:35 |
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| leinir | Well no, it isn't - you have to take it out ;) | 14:35 |
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| slaine | clbr, have you tried an older image | 14:36 |
| clbr | slaine: i will, just deciding which one | 14:36 |
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| slaine | I guess the one that was handed out at the SF conf would be a good known starting point | 14:39 |
| slaine | you'll then verify if it's your process, the hardware or the image | 14:40 |
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| alterego | lbt_hel: guess what I'm developing the meego network uk site in ;) | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | alterego, is the meego network site meego compliant? | 14:59 |
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| alterego | I don't know, I'm gonna wait until dawn comes online | 15:00 |
| alterego | lcuk: do you mean my logo? | 15:00 |
| clbr | alterego: it runs on a N900? | 15:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:00 |
| lcuk | can I install office on your site? | 15:01 |
| alterego | lcuk: in the absence of meegonetwork.uk (.uk tld) I chose .org.uk | 15:01 |
| alterego | That's the only oddity I've come across so far. | 15:01 |
| * lcuk finally booting up 0530 handset image | 15:01 | |
| lcuk | after trying to see how far the tablet build works | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | wow the n900-de theme pictures get better with each image | 15:04 |
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| lbt_hel | alterego: :D | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | alterego, surprise lbt by coding it in asm | 15:06 |
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| alterego | Well, if asm is anything like RoR ... | 15:08 |
| lcuk | I think RoR is actually harder | 15:09 |
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| alterego | So I'm doing a little list of things I want on the site: news/blog, photo gallery, jobs & opportunities, mailing list, member profiles, event aggregation, twitter aggregation, links to facebook group, twitter, etc. and sub-domains for cambridge, birmingham and london | 15:10 |
| alterego | Though london doesn't exist yet .. | 15:10 |
| lcuk | I am going to another mini Manchester meetup today | 15:11 |
| lcuk | visiting the Intel Remastered exhibition | 15:11 |
| alterego | +manchester :) | 15:12 |
| alhadi | i guess i have given chance to meego | 15:13 |
| alhadi | now i have to go | 15:13 |
| alhadi | thanks for who ever helped | 15:13 |
| alhadi | bye | 15:13 |
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| slaine | Wasn't there a guide somewhere on setting up your own OBS for meego, for internal builds | 15:14 |
| slaine | I can't seem to find it | 15:14 |
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| maxw | anyone using gitorious for merge requests? For me, it often seems to get the wrong commit to merge. Am I doing something wrong? | 15:17 |
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| timakima | maxw: i think the ui seems to mess with merge requests sometimes by not including correct commit id:s when you view the diff | 15:22 |
| maxw | hrm, so it might have been ok after all? I deleted and resubmitted - but it's not the first time I've had to do that... | 15:24 |
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| Ans5i | does someone know where intel graphics/linux people are? | 16:08 |
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| Ans5i | my gallium driver complains that it could not create DRM screen. | 16:08 |
| Ans5i | and drops to software. | 16:08 |
| berndhs | Portland ? | 16:09 |
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| Ans5i | berndhs: too far... :) | 16:09 |
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| berndhs | early in the morning there too :) | 16:09 |
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| Mirv | Ans5i: are you using the latest intel driver stack + kernel? | 16:16 |
| Mirv | ah, saw the answer already on another channel. no, they're probably not interested if you can't reproduce it with the drm-intel-next etc. stuff | 16:17 |
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| brakkvatn | How can I run meego in my qemu? I get an error that it cannot work without intel_agp or something | 16:40 |
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| fiferboy | Latest Tablet UX 1.2.0.90 image freezes on install | 18:08 |
| fiferboy | Some interesting changes in the live boot | 18:08 |
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| clbr | fiferboy: yes, got the bug too | 18:09 |
| clbr | would you file a bug? slightly busy this afternoon here | 18:09 |
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| fiferboy | clbr: Sure, do you know what I should file it against? | 18:12 |
| fiferboy | Core? Pinetrail HW Adaption? | 18:12 |
| fiferboy | Ah, found installation | 18:13 |
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| clbr | sounds right | 18:13 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: ping | 18:19 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: ACK | 18:19 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: in a meeting at the moment | 18:19 |
| slaine | I'll be slow to respond | 18:19 |
| fiferboy | Bug 18557 filed | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: just wanted to send you the link to the Community Device Program application: https://meego.com/community/device-program | 18:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 nor, Undecided, ---, chengwei.yang, NEW, Installation freezes during live image copy | 18:20 |
| clbr | fiferboy: great | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | texrat is working on the blog post / mailing list announcement, but the program is live | 18:20 |
| alterego | Ah, seems to have started working again :) | 18:21 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: cool, thanks | 18:23 |
| alterego | So my site aggregates events on facebook and shows my twitter feed :) | 18:25 |
| alterego | Now for the blog ... | 18:25 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: so you set up yet another blog? | 18:30 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 18:30 |
| alterego | Well, it's the news section of this site | 18:31 |
| alterego | So not really a blog :P | 18:31 |
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| julienf | hey guys, has anyone heard of any development on the ZOOM dev device from TI? | 18:32 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: right, I've applied | 18:32 |
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| gabrbedd | julienf: what kind of development do you mean? | 18:32 |
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| julienf | open source support on OMAP TI ZOOM dev device http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12013&contentId=53575&DCMP=wtbu_zoom&HQS=Other+PR+zoom2_technical | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | julienf: i have a zoom2 like that | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | julienf: we used to have maemo5 on there without big trouble | 18:37 |
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| Teo` | I would appreciate some help with the following issue, I've been banging my head against it for a while now: I've got the meego 1.2 sdk installed in an ubuntu 10.10 chroot, and I've installed and set up the tablet 1.2 runtime, and it works in QEMU, but I can't ssh into it | 18:40 |
| Teo` | $ ssh root@localhost -p 6666 | 18:40 |
| Teo` | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host | 18:40 |
| Teo` | does somebody have an idea as to why this happens and how do I fix it? | 18:41 |
| Ans5i | Teo`: you could try ssh with debug flags.. maybe the ubunutu is blocking you. | 18:42 |
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| npm | ?? https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 ?? | 18:42 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug 11204 maj, High, 1.1.80.9, fboudra, NEW, "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissio | 18:42 |
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| Teo` | oh | 18:42 |
| Teo` | you think it's a bad key in the image? | 18:42 |
| Ans5i | or meego :) | 18:42 |
| npm | no, the key is fine. ssh is very particular about the permissions on keys, and will fail silently if it's not perfect | 18:43 |
| npm | this includes the permissions on the directory, and ownership | 18:43 |
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| Teo` | uhm | 18:44 |
| Teo` | maybe I missed a setp | 18:44 |
| Teo` | step | 18:44 |
| Teo` | I don't even have .ssh/authorized_keys | 18:44 |
| Ans5i | Teo`: you can also debug the ssh connection with -vvv flag btw | 18:44 |
| alterego | Gonna install the Qt SDK on the exo .. | 18:45 |
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| alterego | This should be interesting. | 18:45 |
| npm | that's the one that gets setup if you hit "deploy public key" cept it gets setup wrong, or at least it did | 18:45 |
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| npm | i'd try sshing via terminal first to see if this working as expected | 18:45 |
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| Teo` | npm: so it should have been setup by the SDK installer? | 18:46 |
| npm | sometimes the first time you ssh, it queries to update known_hosts, or fails silently if it's not setup | 18:46 |
| npm | so setup manually by sshing in terminal, saying "yes" to update known_hosts, etc | 18:46 |
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| npm | then try again from sdk | 18:46 |
| Teo` | might be that my keys are somehow different, since the .ssh is shared with my archlinux config | 18:47 |
| Teo` | and I'm sshing from the ubuntu chroot | 18:47 |
| clbr | alterego: also nice: using the SDK on the exopc per x forwarding | 18:47 |
| npm | well then you need to setup a copy of your ssh creds in the ubuntu chroot | 18:47 |
| Teo` | npm: isn't it enough to copy over the .ssh? | 18:48 |
| npm | clbr: or ssh -f -Y meego@meegotab emacs --funcall shell | 18:48 |
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| npm | Teo`: copy and make sure permissions/ownership are correct. | 18:50 |
| Teo` | well everything is owned by teo (that's me!) | 18:50 |
| Teo` | should they all be 644? | 18:50 |
| Teo` | some files are 600 | 18:51 |
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| npm | you'll have to look at a working system or consult the man pages on that... | 18:51 |
| Teo` | I've never had trouble sshing anywhere else though | 18:51 |
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| gabrbedd | um, Teo` shouldn't be having to do all this stuff. | 18:54 |
| gabrbedd | I think there's something else afoot. | 18:54 |
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| gabrbedd | Teo`: did you try to logging in as meego@localhost? | 18:55 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: Also, does nmap show port 6666 open? | 18:55 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: sec, I'll try | 18:56 |
| Teo` | $ ssh meego@localhost -p 6666 | 18:56 |
| Teo` | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host | 18:56 |
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| Teo` | Discovered open port 6666/tcp on 127.0.0.1 | 18:58 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: ↑ | 18:58 |
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| gabrbedd | Teo`: My guess is that there is something funky with your setup. It sounds like you have qemu running in a chroot running in... something else. | 19:02 |
| alterego | Almost done .. | 19:02 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: it's running in an ubuntu chroot inside archlinux | 19:02 |
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| gabrbedd | Teo`: Maybe this will help: http://edoceo.com/notabene/ssh-exchange-identification | 19:02 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: I did it this way because my usual distro isn't supported | 19:02 |
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| Teo` | gabrbedd: thanks | 19:02 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: Bottom line is that it's some sort of server-side issue. | 19:03 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: yup, that's exactly how my -v output looks like | 19:03 |
| Teo` | it's a completely virgin meego tablet 1.2 runtime image though | 19:04 |
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| Teo` | gabrbedd: is there something I can do inside the image through the meego tablet environment? | 19:05 |
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| alterego | Must stop poking laptop screen like it's the exo .. | 19:08 |
| javispedro | must buy laptop with pokeable screen | 19:09 |
| * TSCHAKeee old enough he thinks of something else when he sees poke. | 19:09 | |
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| * newbie007 is young enough think of something dirty when someone says "poke" | 19:17 | |
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| gabrbedd | Teo`: So... you can't even interface with it through qmeu? | 19:17 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: I can | 19:18 |
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| Teo` | gabrbedd: I can use the UI normally in QEMU | 19:18 |
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| vgrade_ | DawnFoster: thanks for getting the device program up and running. My application is in | 19:18 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: I just can't ssh into it | 19:18 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade_: great, thanks! | 19:18 |
| vgrade_ | DawnFoster: at last a chance of a device with some MeeGo supporting drivers | 19:19 |
| DawnFoster | texrat is going to do more to promote it next week when we have a blog post | 19:19 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: Right. You'll have to open xterm and diagnose it from the command line. | 19:19 |
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| DawnFoster | we were keeping it low-key until we got a few applications in to make sure we didn't have any huge bugs :) | 19:19 |
| vgrade_ | DawnFoster: well my application went ok. How will the lucky few be chosen? | 19:20 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: ok, I'm in xterm | 19:20 |
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| Teo` | network works on 10.0.2.15 normally, I got connectivity | 19:20 |
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| DawnFoster | vgrade_: selection committee / process documented in a crazy amount of detail here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program | 19:21 |
| DawnFoster | basically, texrat, Brian Warner & I get to pick :) | 19:21 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: hosts.allow is empty, not sure it should be | 19:21 |
| vgrade_ | DawnFoster: just noticed that thanks, should have known there was a wiki page | 19:21 |
| alterego | Good luck vgrade ) | 19:21 |
| alterego | :) | 19:21 |
| Teo` | vgrade_: your nick is familiar to me, you're the dude who ported meego to the advent vega, right? | 19:22 |
| vgrade_ | alterego: thanks, mate | 19:22 |
| vgrade_ | Teo`: yup thats me | 19:22 |
| Teo` | vgrade_: your work is appreciated :) | 19:22 |
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| vgrade_ | Teo`: thanks, what interest do you have in Tegra2 | 19:23 |
| Teo` | vgrade_: I'm a vega owner, but currently I'm trying to set up a tablet env in QEMU because I'm porting Amarok to meego for my GSoC project | 19:23 |
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| vgrade_ | ah ok, good luck with that | 19:24 |
| Teo` | eventually it would be cool if I could use the vega for debugging and stuff, but it seemed like a good idea to stick with the beaten path as a start | 19:25 |
| Teo` | :D | 19:25 |
| Teo` | vgrade_: thanks | 19:25 |
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| gabrbedd | Teo`: /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 19:27 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: also /etc/ssh/*key* | 19:27 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: But I'm really suspecting your setup. | 19:27 |
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| Teo` | sshd_config seems honest | 19:28 |
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| Teo` | gabrbedd: keys seem to be binary files | 19:29 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: is this normal? | 19:29 |
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| Teo` | some have XMLish stuff inside | 19:30 |
| Teo` | nope, these keys don't look good to me | 19:30 |
| Teo` | I don't know how to copy text from QEMU | 19:31 |
| Teo` | but it doesn't looke like... a key | 19:31 |
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| piggz | hi, any idea why the meego sdk installer hangs at 34% for me? | 19:40 |
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| qgil | wow, got a bunch of meego-community emails all at once, apparently sent in previous days? | 19:53 |
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| gabrbedd | Teo`: keys should be ASCII text. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: there was a problem with lists some days back and someone else mentioned nokia.com mail has been deferring mails on SMTP level | 19:54 |
| * qgil wonders if he will ever find the IRC channel where Stskeeps doesn't have the answer ;) | 19:54 | |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: then that's what's borked, though I don't know why | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: #qt-lighthouse and #wayland i'm an utter amateur in ;) | 19:55 |
| qgil | he | 19:56 |
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| Teo` | gabrbedd: for example, ssh_host_dsa_key is binary | 19:56 |
| Teo` | and I installed the image throught the SDK installer, that's all | 19:56 |
| Teo` | I'm gonna try and reinstall | 19:56 |
| w00t | qgil: stskeeps is the oracle | 19:56 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: is the sun | 19:56 |
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| w00t | qgil: btw, any ETA on when we might see the code for the terminal in the public? | 20:01 |
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| qgil | w00t: don't quote me since this is not my work but... during next week? | 20:02 |
| w00t | cool :) | 20:02 |
| qgil | w00t: Nokia-the-business is not holding it anymore, now it's just engineering time :) | 20:02 |
| qgil | "just" | 20:02 |
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| w00t | *nod* | 20:02 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:07 |
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| fiferboy | Oo, a terminal with OSKB would be most welcome | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | Facebook emais are taking over my inbox | 20:12 |
| lcuk | fight back with IRC chatter or twittering please | 20:13 |
| lcuk | qgil, hi, I heard from mja_fin today about an interesting job posting near you | 20:13 |
| * alterego wonders what tiitoo-hdmi-daemon actually does. | 20:13 | |
| lcuk | I guess it is related to video output | 20:13 |
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| alterego | Well, I found the firmware on the internet. | 20:15 |
| alterego | I wonder if that daemon is too. | 20:15 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: You can turn off FB emails. | 20:16 |
| alterego | I can't be bothered to untar that image or install it | 20:16 |
| RST38h | heya alterego, lcuk | 20:16 |
| alterego | Hey RST38h | 20:16 |
| qgil | lcuk: interesting, yes | 20:17 |
| qgil | lcuk: no idea what is related about | 20:17 |
| alterego | Does anyone happen to have that tiitoo-hdmi-daemon file? | 20:17 |
| alterego | That they can email me or something :) | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Hi qgil | 20:17 |
| qgil | hi there | 20:18 |
| lcuk | the weather in Manchester is 24°C today | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | how is the weather where you are? | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | 20-23oC, windy, small cloud front approaching | 20:20 |
| Tm_T | sunny, no snow | 20:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | 20C or so, sunny all day - my test solar heater for 40l of water has nearly boiled it once. | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | So I had to fill it with cold again. Scotland. | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that is what testing is for | 20:24 |
| lcuk | qgil, I found a way to combine learning skills for little Jake recently. would a more general version of this help your little one: teaching the time and reading and communicating it back to people :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah - I was anticipating the tank isn't really large enough - I need to get a large buffer tank for storing low-grade heat. I'd really like a massive thermos for storing high temp heat. I shall control this eventually with a meego system. | 20:25 |
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| qgil | lcuk: nice! but we are still holding our kids off computers / mobiles as much as possible - there is enough pressure in the surroundings. later... | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | qgil, indeed, this is just another tile on the at a glance wall mount, so combinig simple elements is not like computing | 20:27 |
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| newbie007 | will meego support and of the hildon-desktop stuff (previously maemo) nokia's n900 | 20:34 |
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| thiago_home | newbie007: please rephrase | 20:35 |
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| w00t | does zypper have an equivilent to installing build-dep of a package, like apt? | 20:41 |
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| npm | qgil: my son (freshman in hs) is nearly finished with "Hello World" python book which he programs on his meego netbook (tho the book examples for linux expect fedora so its actually MeeGo + http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) | 20:41 |
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| npm | ^^ http://www.manning.com/sande/ | 20:42 |
| qgil | how old is your son npm ? | 20:42 |
| npm | 15 | 20:42 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: made it work, finally. I redownloaded the qemu image | 20:42 |
| npm | he's been running meego on his netbook since 1.0 came out, and prior, moblin | 20:42 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: it probably got borked somehow, no idea how | 20:42 |
| Teo` | gabrbedd: thank you for your help :) | 20:43 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: wow. corrupt image. hrm. | 20:43 |
| gabrbedd | Teo`: np! | 20:43 |
| qgil | npm right, mine are 6 and 4, still in the "real" Hello World. :) | 20:43 |
| npm | well my son dropped his first laptop running linux at the age of 6 | 20:43 |
| npm | :-) | 20:43 |
| npm | and he used to have my SGI Indy all to himself | 20:44 |
| qgil | priorities, it's all fine | 20:44 |
| npm | yeah, the real world is more important | 20:45 |
| qgil | npm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/5746625217/ | 20:45 |
| npm | but also the issue is that kids get addicted to games first and then think that's all they can do on a computer | 20:45 |
| lcuk | qgil, lol! | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | npm, it IS all you can do on a computer | 20:46 |
| lcuk | take linux kernel for instance | 20:46 |
| qgil | :D | 20:46 |
| lcuk | it is a MMORPG | 20:46 |
| lcuk | where people pretend to be developers or managers :P | 20:46 |
| npm | well that's actually what i was trying to get at w/ him, give him "programming addiction" instead of "game addiction" because otherwise all his computer creativity is taken up by minecraft | 20:47 |
| qgil | what about design adition, writing adition... there are many things to get addicted | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | npm: They are not exclusive! | 20:48 |
| lcuk | angry birds addition :P | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug | 20:48 |
| npm | depends on the kid :-) | 20:48 |
| npm | "I'm going to uninstall java" is a major threat in my house :-) | 20:49 |
| npm | almost as bad as "i'm going to disable flash" | 20:49 |
| npm | as in "do your homework or..." | 20:49 |
| lcuk | npm, installing linux onto random devices belonging to my eldest was fun, especially with his nintendo ds | 20:49 |
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| npm | i've appropriated his wii nunchucks for use w/ my meego lenovo | 20:50 |
| lcuk | I am quite intereste din the 9axis sensor data | 20:51 |
| lcuk | interested in | 20:51 |
| newbie007 | thiago_home: here's what I'm really asking, the n900 has a lot of great programs gnumeric, abiword, nintendo, etc.. I'm just wondering if these will be available on meego | 20:51 |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/wmgui-for-wiimote-and-nunchuk-via-bluetooth-on-meegolem.png | 20:51 |
| lcuk | putting a a set of those inside a robot cluster would give interesting data | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 9 axis? | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The nunchucks only have an accellerometer - for 3 axis - I thought | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyway - MEMs sensor chips are coming way cheaper | 20:52 |
| npm | see the image for what nunchuk data provided | 20:52 |
| newbie007 | because when your practicing your ninja movies while upside down mid-way through a back flip... | 20:53 |
| lcuk | gyroscope,accelerometer,magnetometer | 20:53 |
| npm | although i hadn't enabled ir or added the nunchuk | 20:53 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, sure | 20:53 |
| lcuk | but I am talking about dedicated units | 20:53 |
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| npm | i bet you can buy dedicated units for cheap on ebay these days | 20:54 |
| npm | :-) | 20:54 |
| lcuk | http://invensense.com/mems/gyro/mpu6000.html | 20:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Note that's 6 axis only | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The other 3 are external | 20:55 |
| lcuk | yeah, note the wording and the system diagram below | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think anyones done an integrated 9-axis chip yet. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | There are accel + gyro and accel + mag. But I don't think anyiones broguht togetehr all three in an inexpensive package yet. | 20:56 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, with many things, you need external components :) | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | There are of course spendy IMUs. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9757 | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | And they are getting cheaper | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The above - $7 now - was 7 chips and $80 or so maybe 3 years ago. | 20:58 |
| lcuk | heh sparkfun are goto guys for many hardware hackers | 20:58 |
| lcuk | I was peeking behind the scenes at Intel Remastered digital art exhibit today | 20:58 |
| lcuk | and one of them uses an arduino for part of its processing | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sparkfun are great - as long as you know that stuff is often cheaper elsewhere. | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, many people I know do not mind the extra expense and rave about service from sparkfun | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Their service is mediochre from what I've seen. | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Lots of out of stock/... | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And 'breakout boards' with hardware errors. | 21:00 |
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| akk | SpeedEvil: What place do you prefer? | 21:01 |
| * lcuk hmms @ SpeedEvil | 21:01 | |
| * akk has had good experiences with sparkfun and adafruit | 21:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | There are no 'nice' places - they all suck in different ways. | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | digikey, mouser, farnell, ... | 21:01 |
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| andyross | I've like SparkFun too. It's true that if you want large quantities or know exactly what you want to order, you can do better elsewhere. But that's their niche: not everyone is an EDA professional. Hell, just try ordering crimp connectors from digikey some time and matching the housings to the wire to the connectors... | 21:08 |
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| andyross | (and that's a real example: I had a motor with an oddball connector, took me well over an hour to find the right crimping hardware on digikey, and even then it was mostly a successful guess that worked) | 21:09 |
| akk | yeah, digikey is great for quantity orders or for ordering a bunch of ICs, maybe not so great for arduino-friendly sensor breakout boards. | 21:09 |
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| akk | (and for ICs, there are a couple of great local places I like to support, if spending $3.15 on a handful of chips counts as support) | 21:10 |
| andyross | I lack the patience to buy electronics out of bins in a brick and mortar. Digikey might suck, but I'd rather spend an hour crawling their site than picking through packages at a store. | 21:11 |
| akk | I find, for ICs, I have to do online research first anyway and make a list of part #s. Once I have that, it's just as easy to drive to a store and give them my list. | 21:12 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | akk, which store do you prefer? | 22:23 |
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| akk | I order from adafruit or the local place (Action) if I can, then or sparkfun. Or sometimes amazon since I have credits there. | 22:25 |
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| chouchoune | hello everyone | 22:43 |
| chouchoune | I'm starting a port of Meego for Tim Slice device with the help of Trim Slice team | 22:44 |
| chouchoune | if anyone is interested ... | 22:44 |
| vgrade | count me in where iks this going on? | 22:45 |
| vgrade | the guys on #TegraLinux will also be in | 22:45 |
| chouchoune | http://trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=147 | 22:45 |
| chouchoune | I'll speak about that on #meego-arm too | 22:46 |
| vgrade | can the ts guys get some hardfp graphics drivers from nvidia | 22:46 |
| * npm notes noncompliant device ( http://intellicom.se/linux_oem_hardware.cfm ) on http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program | 22:46 | |
| chouchoune | they will provide some drivers by next week | 22:46 |
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| dm8tbr | npm: mhhh, great stuff, comes with linux 2.4 preinstalled! | 22:48 |
| npm | it's missing a display | 22:48 |
| chouchoune | if anyone is interested ...We will provide next week LDK alpha RC with up to date display drivers - not perfect but the best NV has for now." | 22:48 |
| chouchoune | oups | 22:48 |
| chouchoune | "We will provide next week LDK alpha RC with up to date display drivers - not perfect but the best NV has for now." | 22:48 |
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| dm8tbr | npm: since when is a 2.4 kernel compliant to start with :) | 22:50 |
| vgrade | chouchoune, but are they differnt from the ones, here, http://www.trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30&p=95 | 22:50 |
| lcuk | is GENIVI the same IVI that meego has? | 22:51 |
| lcuk | hi vgrade \o | 22:51 |
| npm | well that's just sw... i'd assume you'd drop meego on it, but no display hardware so you can do runlevel 3 only | 22:51 |
| vgrade | chouchoune, great news any way | 22:51 |
| vgrade | lcuk, evening | 22:51 |
| chouchoune | vgrade: no idea, I need to ask them more informations | 22:51 |
| chouchoune | vgrade: so if you're interested, could you reply to my message on Trim Slice's forum ? | 22:52 |
| chouchoune | I would like to post on Meego forum, but I don't exactly know in which cqtegory to post | 22:53 |
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| vgrade | chouchoune, community forum and also post to the meego-porting mailing list | 22:57 |
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| reed | I fucking hate rar compression | 22:58 |
| vgrade | I'll add some details, I've been working MeeGo on Tegra2 here, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 22:58 |
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| DawnFoster | *cough* language | 22:58 |
| * reed apologizes | 22:58 | |
| DawnFoster | :) | 22:58 |
| lcuk | yeah reed, never say the word rar again | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | now I know she's got a dirty word monitor. | 22:59 |
| lcuk | oh fiddlesticks, now I said it | 22:59 |
| DawnFoster | I have a real knack for glancing at #meego right when someone swears :) | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | It picked up on him saying "rar" as a dirty word. | 22:59 |
| DawnFoster | I really don't have alerts for it | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 22:59 |
| chouchoune | ok thanks vgrade | 22:59 |
| andyross | Add me to the "more offended by rar than profanity" list. | 23:00 |
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| reed | is anybody aware of an unrar package for meego tablet? | 23:02 |
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| andyross | No, but surely any old unrar binary from another distro will run. | 23:05 |
| reed | andyross, right, will try that ... | 23:06 |
| reed | and find a way to feed it to evince | 23:06 |
| vgrade | chouchoune, post added to your forum, sorry for the news | 23:09 |
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| chouchoune | vgrade: no problem, thanks ;) | 23:13 |
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| w00t | anyone know if rusty is around? | 23:39 |
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| w00t | DawnFoster: maybe you know? :) | 23:51 |
| DawnFoster | w00t: I was looking around for him earlier - I think I saw him this morning | 23:52 |
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| DawnFoster | I think he has an obvious nick, but trying to remember for sure | 23:52 |
| DawnFoster | it's tough here right now. 2pm on our first really sunny day in a while & I think it's the last day of school for most kids. | 23:53 |
| DawnFoster | so the office is a bit sparse :) | 23:53 |
| w00t | haha | 23:53 |
| w00t | it's not urgent, I guess I'll just keep an eye out | 23:53 |
| DawnFoster | If I see him walk by, I'll let him know | 23:54 |
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| w00t | ta :) | 23:54 |
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