IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2011-06-03

lcukjavispedro, read this and spot the typo00:00
lcukhttp://twitter.com/hpnews/status/7599849267751731200:00
RST38hEhehe00:01
javispedroI bet someone would like twitter to allow deleting twits at the moment =)00:01
lcukRST38h, rather changes the intent of the quote don't you think00:01
RST38hit is a typo, nobody is going to merge with HP now00:01
lcukjavispedro, they retweeted after I mentioned it back to them00:01
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RST38hAlthough the legend says that any company that eats a company that ate DEC will fail00:02
lcukgrue00:03
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lcukRST38h, I realised just today that I had been running the gesture recogniser against every stroke of every sketch I load up00:04
javispedrois that a typo too, or are you saying hp is a grue? =)00:04
lcukthat is a typo too00:04
lcukI meant to say "what a lovely evening"00:04
lcukthe keys are close together00:04
javispedrotrue00:05
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lcukn900hexagons. remember hexagons.00:07
RST38htry not to notice the hexagons00:08
RST38hjust behave like they are not there00:08
lcuksorry wrong chan00:08
lcukinfact, wrong network00:09
RST38h<sleep>00:15
RST38hOk, install the bloody Fennec beta, make sure it is as slow as the last beta, then sleep.00:15
javispedroRST38h: you still having optimism left?00:16
* lcukn900 sheds some optimism00:18
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lcukhttp://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=22009#post2200900:57
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lcukRe: Manchester UK MeeGo meet-up?00:58
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SpeedEvilFun.01:03
* SpeedEvil wishes he had easier transport.01:03
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DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: ping01:31
Alison_ChaikenHey DawnFoster.01:33
DawnFostercan you look at that bug again01:33
DawnFosterI fixed your issue01:33
DawnFosterbut think I mangled your mailing list subscriptions01:34
DawnFoster*sorry*01:34
DawnFoster:)01:34
DawnFosterYou need to log back into your alison account (which now has your gmail)01:34
DawnFosterand verify / fix your subscriptions01:34
Alison_ChaikenNo worries bout mailing lists.   I'll have a look later.    I appreciate your spending time on this tedious problem.    Sorry for spacing on the "edit" tab: d'oh!01:35
Alison_ChaikenJust checked the account: login works fine.   Thanks again for your help!01:38
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DawnFosterhappy to help!01:40
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SpeedEvilIs there a summary of the interesting announcements at computex?01:54
SpeedEvilOr is it basically nothing.01:55
leinirIt's all the announcements people wanted at the meego conference, and a few extra to boot (not the ones which were expected there, just a bunch of other, interesting ones ;) )01:55
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leinirIn particular i am pretty interested in Acer's tablet thing, that thing looks really pretty :)01:55
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javispedroannouncements people wanted at the conf... if they had been about meego? ;P01:57
leinirjavispedro: device announcements ;)01:58
leinirpeople were hoping on LG to show stuff, and Nokia to announce stuff... neither happened and people went all "waaah!" about it ;)01:59
leinirof course, good things came out of that, in that there's a community movement to getting hardware to happen as well :)01:59
SpeedEvilMeh.02:00
lcukit is not fun to show devices and have them underperform because the software stack is having trouble02:00
* SpeedEvil hopes so.02:00
lcukleinir, thp created a new game whilst at the meego conf02:00
lcuk( along with some other folks )02:00
leinir*nods* i saw that one, yeah, was pretty nifty :) multitouch pong type thing, yeah? :)02:01
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lcukdid he use the qt gaming thing that I cannot remember name of, or just from scratch?02:02
lcuk(I think from scratch because he has another game (rabbit game))02:02
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leinirHe used QML on its own, i believe - Gluon wasn't used for it :)02:04
lcukwould gluon have made it easier?02:07
lcukand ta for reminding me the name02:07
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leinirHmm... for this exact thing, no, i don't think so... the current components wouldn't be able to handle the multiple cursors, but it should be possible before the next beta :)02:09
lcukleinir, I note he tweeted about adding the extra game related stuff after returning from the conf02:11
lcukperhaps that is where gluon would excell - high scores menuing etc around the game, and then even with a native qml engine the rest of the game (chassis/shell/interior trim etc) could have come as standard gluon component set02:12
leinir*nods* Well, it might've been nice if he'd worked to add the multi input stuff to GluonInput... but it was supposed to be a demo of exactly that functionality in QML - it was less of a game and more of a demo of the multitoucharea ;)02:13
lcukheh02:13
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lcukthe best features come from tests02:14
timelesslcuk: does https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.135457363197760.34148.100002004927749 load for you?02:14
lcukno02:14
lcukand hiya \o02:14
lcukshould I signup for facebook to try?02:14
timelesshiya02:14
timelessno02:14
timelessi wouldn't want to force you to do that02:14
lcukheh02:14
lcukfacebook will come with time02:15
javispedrolcuk++02:15
SpeedEvilI have a facebook account.02:15
timelesstry the link :)02:15
SpeedEvilOf course - it's completely blank - and doesn't actually have my name on it.02:16
lcuktimeless, this is one of the most simple but effective uses for liqbase: teaching jake how to read and to tell the time in one go:02:16
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png02:16
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lcukfacebook thinks I am called bob02:16
lcukit sends me occasional emails02:16
timelesscool02:16
timelesslcuk; it could be worse02:16
lcukindeed02:17
lcukdid you arrive in US already?02:17
timelessI'm in Toronto02:17
timelessfor a while, timeless@gmail was an alternate email address for some black woman living in Ohio iirc02:17
lcukcool02:17
timelessbecause facebook didn't validate alternate email addresses when you added them...02:18
timelessfacepalm02:18
SpeedEvilAs an aside.02:18
timelessSpeedEvil: so it doesn't load?02:18
SpeedEvilI'm impressed that facebook has OCR for pics02:18
SpeedEvilyes, it loads02:19
timelessoh, the ascii art is mine02:19
SpeedEvilAh.02:19
SpeedEvil:)02:19
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lcukbob joe is a personage on facebook02:19
* lcuk ponders asking it to send me password02:20
timelessSpeedEvil: anyway, please feel free to browse through that gallery02:20
SpeedEviltimeless: It looks 'special'.02:20
SpeedEvilIs this an actual released device?02:21
timelessyes02:21
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timelessIt's the n8, I'll add a slaes link or two to the main comment page02:21
timelesss/lae/ale/02:21
infobottimeless meant: It's the n8, I'll add a sales link or two to the main comment page02:21
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lcukeep02:24
lcukwhere does facebook get friends from?02:24
SpeedEvilIs it picking people you know?02:24
SpeedEvilIf you put in your real name, it can put in people who've tagged you02:24
timelesslcuk: it does an *incredibly* good job of that02:25
SpeedEvilIt may also do similar browsing history02:25
lcuktimeless, yeah02:25
timelessi remember seeing facebook emails inviting me to join where it listed people i probably knew02:25
timelessiirc i knew them all02:25
timelessand they weren't necessarily people who the inviter knew02:25
timelessand this was years ago02:25
timeless(I joined this year)02:25
SpeedEvilSkynet? Happened already.02:26
lcukI notice it offers hotmail,yahoo,other as the emails to search02:26
lcukdo google and facebook not get on?02:26
lcukwhen did I leave school?02:26
SpeedEvil1996?02:27
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timelessgoogle got annoyed at facebook swiping its data02:28
* javispedro hits lcuk for registering02:28
timelessbut i'd imagine it still datamines google if you let it02:28
lcuklol02:28
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timelessI'm waiting for one friend pairing between myself and my sister02:29
timelessonce i do that, I'll have a connection between a CA.US friend network and my East Coast/Finland friend network02:29
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lcuki best sleep02:31
lcukjust having the account is enough for today02:31
timelesshttps://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=6769206840702:31
timelessis the app fwiw02:31
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timelessit's quite shiny02:31
timelessspeedevil: give it a spin :)02:31
timelessminor warning, it will kill an IdeaPad if your network is as dense as DawnFoster's is02:31
lcukbtw timeless I can see the content now02:31
DawnFoster:)02:32
timelessDawnFoster: did you try it on a better computer?02:32
DawnFostertimeless:02:32
DawnFosteroops02:32
DawnFostertimeless: I did02:32
timelessOh, and I meant to ask you what your social network score was. there's a button at the top of the view, I can't remember what it's called02:33
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DawnFostertimeless: my dense portland network is the main portion with some subnetworks for family, open source people, intel and a past employer02:33
DawnFosterdidn't look at the score02:33
timelesswell, next time you get a chance, pull it up :)02:34
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berndhsif your social network score is low, does that mean your friends are useless?02:36
berndhsand do you tell them that ?02:36
timelessThe app is well behaved in that it won't spam your wall unless you let it, and it doesn't really force you to.02:38
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timelessDawnFoster: at some point i think someone needs to arrange some lessons for Package owners02:40
timelessthe experiences i've had with bugs in bugs.meego is rather depressing02:40
timeless(you can ask andre for pointers)02:40
DawnFostertimeless: I know02:40
lcukfacebook data mines from hotmail afaik02:40
DawnFosterI've been talking to Andre and our QA team02:41
SpeedEviltimeless: My popularity score is 0.02:41
DawnFosterI have a call with the QA manager in China this evening02:41
lcukI see people I have not spoken to since msn days02:41
SpeedEvil(it's a fake ID)02:41
timelessSo far it seems like people who need lessons are predominantly @intel02:41
DawnFosterand we are sending someone over to provide some how to work in an open source project training in 3 weeks02:41
timelesswhich means it should be possible to arrange some on site trainings02:41
SpeedEviltimeless: Openmoko did this especially well.02:41
DawnFostertimeless: done :)02:41
timeless:)02:42
SpeedEviltimeless: They appointed a open-source community manager that couldn't actually speak english.02:42
DawnFostertraining scheduled at our QA offices in China / Beijing and another one here in Oregon02:42
lcukDawnFoster, got to the IntelRemastered event today and the collection of items was still being setup, returning tomorrow for a mini meego meetup with @mja_fin to see interactive exhibit02:42
timelessSpeedEvil: interesting choice. Any places I can go to see the results?02:42
lcukI also ponder whether if I put my calendar up on the wall it will be mistaken for a piece of art ;)02:43
timelessSpeedEvil: fwiw, I'm 90 / Constellation of stars02:43
timelessI'm assuming Dawn's score will be much higher02:43
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DawnFostertimeless: mine is 64 / solar system02:44
SpeedEviltimeless: openmoko.com02:44
DawnFosterhonestly, I mostly use facebook to keep up with family02:44
SpeedEvilAnd the complete lack of actual hardware.02:44
DawnFosterand use twitter for everything else02:44
DawnFosterI also actively prune and get rid of friends I don't really need on facebook02:44
timelessI'm mostly trying to use facebook for family / friends, and hopefully to find people/things in toronto02:45
timelessFacebook will also more or less automatically prune out friends you don't use02:45
timelessit doesn't unfriend them, but it will ignore their content02:45
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reedhttp://blogs.ft.com/businessblog/2011/06/loss-making-groupon-defines-itself-as-profitable/02:46
timelessthere's a moveon.org guy who's on TV right now talking about it02:46
DawnFosterI unfriend them :)02:46
reedshoot, sorry, wrong channel02:46
timelessHi reed02:46
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reedhi timakima02:46
reedhi timeless02:46
reedwhat's wrong with me today :)02:46
reedtired, I guess02:46
timelessheh02:47
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timelesssorry i didn't meet up w/ you in SF02:48
timelessi also missed a bunch of others in south bay02:48
timelessbut wow, your facebook settings are paranoid02:48
reedtimeless, facebook saves the addressbooks that people submit, so when you join with your email address it suggests you the people that had your email in their addressbook02:48
reedand you feel welcome since the first second02:49
SpeedEvilGEtting data off the net is hard.02:49
SpeedEvilI got a new phone line.02:49
timelessah, so basically all of those people had submitted my email address02:49
SpeedEvilGoogling the number revealed 197 hits.02:49
timelessso it knew them02:49
timelessmakes sense02:49
SpeedEvilIn various directories.02:49
SpeedEvilAfter maybe 30 or 40 emails, that's down to 2502:50
timelessspeedevil: i got a 15 day sim in SFO02:50
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timelessthe number had previously been used by someone who was being hounded by collections agencies02:50
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SpeedEvilJoy.02:50
timelessso i got a bunch of calls from them at various annoying times02:50
timelessindeed02:50
timelessit was fun yelling at them02:50
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timelessidiots.02:50
timelessi especially liked that they claimed not to have caller id02:51
timeless"what's your phone number?"02:51
timeless"how should I know. don't you have caller id?!"02:51
timeless"this is a 15 day disposable sim that i just bought...."02:51
SpeedEvil:)02:52
* SpeedEvil is surprised the nokia n900 usage study is still going on.02:59
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timelessoh right, i should stop paying for the tv license03:03
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timelessspeedevil: what's that?03:03
CosmoHillnight night03:03
SpeedEviltimeless: It's a study where you give up info for cash.03:04
SpeedEvilA app is installed on the n900 that tracks most user interaction.03:04
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SpeedEvilAnd sends back data every day.03:04
SpeedEvilIncluding things like cell-tower, errors, ...03:04
SpeedEvilWebsites visited, ...03:05
SpeedEvilIIRC 10 quid/3 months - I've just had the latest voucher from it.03:05
SpeedEvilnokia/nielson03:06
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timelesslcuk: you should be able to shop for friends from my Maemo/MeeGo groups, and then from Andre + Quim's lists03:07
lcukyeah I will do most of the facebook stuff tomorrow with local network03:07
lcukrest of family are on there03:08
* lcuk should put up some adverts for manchester developers to help with some things03:08
lcukqole already asked about the handwriting stuff, my recent twitter posts answer that03:08
lcukhttp://twitter.com/lcuk03:09
lcuktimeless, if I had a way to sell preconfigured meego devices, I would have made rather a lot of sales recently03:16
* lcuk noted iphone/ipad envy from many people :)03:16
timelesslcuk: of your exopc?03:17
timelessi did a couple of exopc-meego demos03:17
timelessthe first one was an absolute disaster03:17
lcuki have ideapad03:17
lcukte exopc has no keyboard and would need a stand etc03:17
lcukthis is self standing and operates like wall based unit :)03:17
timeless1. i had let someone else mute the system sound when we watched a presentation on Presence (or some relative)03:17
lcuktimeless, I just run liqbase stuff - no faff, simple, reliable, usable03:18
timelessthat meant that when we tried to watch youtube, there was no audio, and i didn't remember how to adjust the volume :(03:18
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lcukyeah I saw your report03:18
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* lcuk does not try stuff like that 03:18
timeless2. i offered to test w/ media on a stick03:18
lcukbecause internet is always crap and never been reliable03:18
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timelessand well, that failed. the house had 2 pc's w/ ps/2 keyboards03:18
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lcukyeah that made me giggle03:19
timelessso i had no way to mount the stick03:19
lcuktimeless, opening the ideapad and filling in calendar and stuff03:19
timelessto be fair, that was documented in the packet they gave us03:19
timelessand i read it03:19
lcukwhilst sat at table in cafe03:19
lcukmakes people bang into chairs behind as they crane to see03:19
timelessdoes Bluetooth work on the ideapad?03:19
lcuknever tried03:19
timelesstry03:19
lcukhold on03:19
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lcukit says so03:20
timelessthat was the other downside. i had an n900 w/ bluemaemo, but since the exopc doesn't have a working bluetooth stack03:20
lcukbut I dunno how I would know it works03:20
timelessi couldn't use the n900 as a keyboard03:20
timelesstry pairing w/ an n900 :)03:20
timeless(then try bluemaemo)03:20
lcukwell I dunno where to configure the luetooth visibility from03:21
lcukso meh03:21
lcukb03:21
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lcukanyway, bedtime for real now, will test bluetooth from n900-de tomorrow03:22
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julienfgood evening04:03
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julienfhope everyone who was in SF managed to recover04:04
julienfespecially now that Acer anounced a device :D04:04
leinirHehe, for certain values of recover ;)04:05
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Andy80julienf: hi Julien!!!04:06
leinirYes, people /have/ been talking about the unfortunate timing of these two conferences - swap them around and the negativity at the meegoconf could've been avoided... but oh well, then we wouldn't have had that community hardware thing moving ahead, right? ;)04:06
SpeedEvilWhat community hardware thing?04:07
leinirSpeedEvil: the one people have been going around saying wink-wink-nudge-nudge about since the conference ;)04:08
* gabrbedd winks a leinir04:08
gabrbeddat04:08
julienfleinir: it is still way to early to even call it a project. But it's moving forward... Not yet ready for primetime though..04:09
leinir*nods* Oh absolutely :)04:10
SpeedEvilI assume there is no channel or any public thingy for it?04:11
julienfSpeedEvil: I've just been back on IRC, so not yet :D04:11
julienfbut right now, we're looking for someone from the community who's ACE at hardware adaptation04:12
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SpeedEviljulienf: Is this an actual funded project?04:14
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SpeedEvilYou mean you have hardware - and you're looking for people to port to it?04:14
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julienfSpeedEvil: I can't speak much in public yet. We are working on something that's been driven by the community needs and that large companies can't provide.04:17
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SpeedEviljulienf: Are you meaning actual hardware design?04:17
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berndhsbut it's not a rumor :P04:22
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julienfberndhs: what's not a rumor?04:24
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berndhsthe thing you can't quite talk about04:25
gabrbeddberndhs: we never found out if ash's rumor of a rumor was indeed a rumor or not. :-p04:26
julienfgabrbedd: what did Ash say?04:26
berndhsyeah he needs to get a move on that, current schedule for end of the world is October04:26
berndhsAsh was very non-specific04:27
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gabrbeddjulienf: @MeeGoExpertes Looks like more announcements to come soon. Won't say anything just in case I jinx it :-) #meego [13 hours ago]04:29
julienfgabrbedd: cryptic.. Think I'll have to ask him what he means, but guess it's more connected to Nokia than anything else...04:30
berndhshe'll probably deny everything04:31
gabrbeddjulienf: several of us gave him crap about spreading a rumor of a rumor.  :-)04:31
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julienfberndhs: I'll make him speak :D04:31
berndhsyeah but then you'll keep it secret :)04:32
julienfberndhs: hmm.. who knows ;)04:32
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tonberry_hi guys04:33
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julienfhey tonberry_04:35
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tonberry_sup, julienf04:40
julienfnothing much04:40
julienflooking at hardware platforms right now04:40
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julienftrying to buy couple of Pandaboards, but seems they're out of stock everywhere..04:41
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gabrbeddjulienf: that's actually on the pandaboard FAQ.  They recommend that you go ahead and purchase it... since their vendors typically have them back-ordered.04:55
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SpeedEvilAlso - you may not be able to buy omap4 easily for a product.04:56
SpeedEvilMany OMAP parts are 'for high volume OEM or ODM use, and are not available through our distributor chain'04:57
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tonberry_what's OMAP btw?04:58
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berndhstonberry_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP04:59
gabrbeddSpeedEvil: Right... but you gotta start /somewhere/04:59
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Ronksumorning04:59
tonberry_ic05:00
tonberry_morning, Ronksu05:00
berndhsnot just IC, SoC :)05:01
tonberry_thx berndhs =P05:03
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tonberry_http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/texas-instruments-announces-multi-core-1-8ghz-omap4470-arm-proc/05:17
tonberry_thats the latest?05:18
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gabrbeddtonberry_: that's the future.05:20
gabrbedd"...expected to hit the OEM and OED markets in the first half of 2012..."05:21
GeneralAntillesThe lead time on TI's chips makes me crazy.05:21
GeneralAntilles"I WANT THAT NOW!"05:21
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SpeedEvilNote how far ahead intel announces stuff.05:27
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tonberry_way to go05:28
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julienfgabrbedd: that's good timeline05:35
julienfgabrbedd: really need to understand better what Intel is up to... Aava is kinda dead right now...05:35
tonberry_Intel is working close with meego right now05:41
gabrbeddjulienf: Looks like that's intel's timeline, too... http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20110517/tc_digitaltrends/intelsmartphonepushpostponedagain_105:42
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gabrbeddprops to Texrat for that link.05:42
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julienfgabrbedd: Intel is definitely in a difficult position, but I guess that makes them more committed to succeed05:47
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GeneralAntillesIntel's not in a difficult position.05:49
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gabrbeddjulienf: it just sounded to me like they set priorities and made sure that they didn't screw up their bread-and-butter (server business).05:50
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GeneralAntillesIntel's OTC may be having trouble with MeeGo05:50
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tonberry_i wonder how long it will takes06:05
gabrbeddhow long... what will takes?06:06
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tonberry_to make Intel product to run Meego on it06:10
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gabrbeddtonberry_: you mean a handset?  'Cos intel has to make one, first. :-p06:11
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gabrbeddtonberry_: otherwise, several intel-based meego devices were just announced at Computex this week.06:12
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tonberry_yea, i mean handset06:12
tonberry_not tablet06:12
tonberry_=\06:12
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tonberry_into production06:13
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tonberry_not some prototype showing in conference & disappear for few years06:14
gabrbeddyeah, i got it.06:14
gabrbeddmy guess (FWIW) is that tablets will ship this fall near the 1.3 release.06:15
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tonberry_it that so, thats no difference between Intel & Nokia06:15
gabrbeddIntel handsets (just a guess) around 1.406:16
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gabrbeddno difference... as in expected ship date?  True.06:18
tonberry_gabrbedd, yes.06:18
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tonberry_& i dont think Nokia really concern bout Meego tho, they focus more on the window phones06:21
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Stskeepsmorn07:06
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Stskeepswtf at some media claiming a "32$ license fee" for meego07:16
gabrbeddlink?07:16
Stskeepsusual crap site: http://www.techeye.net/mobile/meego-will-be-dead-in-eight-months07:16
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* gabrbedd finally sees the light at the end of his 4x-boot nightmare project...07:21
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tonberry_* zz07:28
iekkumorning07:29
gabrbeddhi, iekku!07:29
iekkuhi gabrbedd!07:30
tonberry_morning iekku07:30
iekkuummh, free day and i'm already up07:30
gabrbeddiekku: 2 free days?07:30
tonberry_sup, Stskeeps07:31
Stskeepstonberry_: not much07:31
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tonberry_going for lunch soon07:31
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iekkugabrbedd, one paid vacation and this is just keeping my saldo hours07:33
gabrbeddah... cool.07:35
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pixelgeekWhat rumor has Ash heard?07:37
Stskeepsprobably that the world ends on 20th and we won't see nokia's handset07:37
Stskeeps;)07:37
pixelgeekActually, I don't want to know.07:37
pixelgeekLike he says - it may jinx whatever it is...07:38
gabrbeddHe won't say... but it was obviously something good.07:38
gabrbeddMaybe he heard that they're lowering the meego license fee. :-p07:39
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pixelgeekHe's at Computex this week, right?07:39
gabrbeddyes07:39
tonberry_who sets the license fee for meego?07:40
gabrbeddtonberry_: it's B.S. from the article stskeeps posted above ^^^07:40
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gabrbeddtonberry_: I was just being silly... there is no license fee for meego.07:40
Stskeepsyou might have to pay your hardware vendors for stuff like codecs and hardware drivers but that's normal..07:41
Stskeeps:P07:41
tonberry_yeah07:41
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tonberry_no way Meego going to have license fee man07:41
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Stskeepsgabrbedd: it does actually beg a good question, if LF asks a fee for trademark usage ;)07:42
BostikStskeeps: and in some parts of the world you might have to fork out protection money for using ffmpeg for gst; as in "pay this fee or get sued, even if it may not hold up"07:43
Stskeeps:nod:07:43
gabrbeddTheir website says that they do not.07:43
Stskeepsgabrbedd: ah, good07:43
gabrbeddThat is... the meego trademark usage page.07:43
pixelgeekI don't believe they do.  I don't think you even need to be a member to use the TM if you're compliant07:43
tonberry_did u guys checkout the meego fan page in fb?07:43
pixelgeekdaily :)07:44
Stskeepstonberry_: what's on there now? :P07:44
Stskeepsand which one07:44
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tonberry_they close down the fan page & reopen another one, i think something to do with copyrights07:45
Stskeepstonberry_: URL please07:45
tonberry_sec07:45
pixelgeekhttp://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_4426167580807:45
tonberry_there.. lol07:45
tonberry_this is the fan page i talking about07:46
tonberry_https://www.facebook.com/pages/Meego-Fan-Club/11607890847726507:46
Stskeepsah, good07:47
Stskeepsthe problem was that the former one claimed to be official07:47
Stskeepsand media then thought it was07:47
tonberry_yeah.. previously known as Meegoâ„¢07:48
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pixelgeekAnd then there's http://www.facebook.com/meegoproject?sk=wall&filter=107:48
tonberry_3k of likes woot07:49
tonberry_i wonder those fans really know what is meego?07:49
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pixelgeekAnything you want to see on the MeeGo facebook group page?07:52
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pixelgeek(apart from more product announcements, obviously)07:53
gabrbeddfarmtown updates.07:53
Stskeepsgit commits!07:53
Stskeeps;)07:53
tonberry_change note & patches =D07:54
pixelgeekYowser - git commits would crowd out everything else on the page!07:54
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pixelgeekI think Pete did post when Release 1.2 came out, complete with high level features and pointers to the release notes.07:55
Stskeepspixelgeek: add OBS commits on top of that07:55
pixelgeekI get the drift.07:55
tonberry_Meego gona layoff the handset updates?07:56
pixelgeekMaybe we can include pointers to the pages people need to get to - wiki, OBS, etc07:56
Stskeepstonberry_: i think 1.3 handset will look dramatically different from 1.207:56
tonberry_Stskeeps, any detail notes on 1.3 release?07:57
Stskeepstonberry_: first off, there's a hard push for systemd, wayland and such, and libmeegotouch deprecation07:57
Stskeepsi think meego ux will be a basis07:58
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tonberry_sounds good08:02
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pixelgeekOK - as suggested - http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=%2Fhome.php%3Fsk%3Dgroup_44261675808%26view%3Ddoc%26id%3D10150288099310809&h=18f12&cb=3&p=AT6Z5a5Q7FPOrYCNuUjbELfnG37Ch_8H-hzXLpjci_XCduICB4moxL54ugbYPtquUeGtsciz0fnC0z8P_dIGU1J5EV1HFa9P3QFxa7sETMJqdhBS08:06
pixelgeekugh - sorry for the long URL08:06
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pixelgeekhttp://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_44261675808&view=doc&id=1015028809931080908:07
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pixelgeek'night all08:08
gabrbeddpixelgeek: night!08:08
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alhadihello08:25
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alhadinew to meego08:25
Bostikmorning08:26
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alhadii have a quwstion08:27
alhadii want to put the meego in Dell Inspiron netbook08:27
alhadipossible?08:27
dm8tbrprobably, just download the netbook image, put it on a usb stick and boot it as a live system08:27
gabrbeddalhadi: what CPU and what graphics card do you have?08:28
alhadione sec08:28
alhadiit has 2 GB ddr308:28
alhadiintel onboard gaphics08:28
alhadiand 350 GB hdd08:28
alhadicpu is Intel Atom processor08:28
gabrbeddin an inspiron?08:28
gabrbeddan atom?08:28
alhadiyes08:28
alhadiya08:28
dm8tbryou said intel. they mighty intel overlords of meego smile upon your device, it shall be blessed...08:28
dm8tbrgabrbedd: prolly sthg like this? http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-mini-netbooks?cs=1908:29
gabrbeddoh, i see... it's their netbook line.08:29
gabrbeddalhadi: yeah... what dm8tbr said... it'll probably work.08:30
iekkudm8tbr, :DDDDD08:30
alhadiits dell inspiron mini 10v08:30
alhadiatom n455 1.66 ghz08:30
gabrbeddalhadi: you may have trouble with the wifi card depending on what kind you have.08:30
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dm8tbriekku: what? O;-)08:30
iekku"they mighty intel overlords of meego smile upon  your device, it shall be blessed..."08:31
alhadiwireless, dell 802.11b/g wireless08:31
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alhadii hope it works boss08:31
alhadilove to put linux based distro08:31
alhadimeego is what i got influenced08:31
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alhadimeego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img is what i am downloading08:33
alhadionce done i will use win32 disk imager to put it in 2 gb sandisk 2 gb08:34
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sofar alhadi try live-booting and see if everything works08:40
sofaryou can try the netbook image before installing it08:40
sofarlooking at the specs I think your wireless should work fine as well08:41
alhadicool08:42
alhadibecuz i just purchased that laptop08:42
alhadinew in the market :)08:42
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alhadiit has windows 7 bull shit loaded08:42
alhadislows everything08:42
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sofarif I may ask, how much was it?08:45
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sofarhow large is the screen? 10 inch?08:45
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alhadiyes08:47
alhadiit was like 1200 AED08:47
* alhadi is in dubai08:48
sofarok, about 325 USD08:48
alhadiyep08:48
alhadii got it cheap08:48
alhadilike 10 percent OFF08:48
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alhadisofar Microsoft Windows 7 Starter  it came with this shit08:52
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alhadineed to remove and put meego :)08:52
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gabrbeddalhadi: yes, W7 Starter is a complete joke.08:54
alhadiindeed08:54
alhadicannot even change the theme , totally mess08:54
alhadiatleast in linux you can do whatever you like08:54
alhadiand its free :)08:54
gabrbeddalhadi: I got one of those convertable lenovo netbooks with a multi-touch screen... and W7 Starter.08:55
alhadinice08:55
gabrbeddalhadi: one *nice* feature of W7 Starter is that multi-touch is disabled.08:55
gabrbedd#fail08:55
bossgabrbedd: Error: "fail" is not a valid command.08:55
alhadiah08:55
gabrbeddThe only benefit to W7 Starter is that it knocks about $80 off the price.08:55
alhadii just hate windows/ full of bugs and errors, ppl are now switching to linux08:55
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alhadialso in windows 7 you cannot run full fledged 3dMax or Autocad smoothly08:56
alhadislows down system and hangs08:56
alhadixp is mighty OS08:56
alhadiall business / home users are still using it with confidence.08:57
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gabrbeddgood night, all...09:21
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tonberry_i found using meego in handset is more interesting =)09:52
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JaffaMorning, all09:55
Stskeepsmorn jaffa09:55
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StskeepsJaffa: i'm fairly sure 32$ license fee is FUD09:59
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alteregoYeah, I've never head that ..10:04
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alterego~heard10:04
alteregoAlso seems like a stupid price ..10:05
Stskeepsyes, why not 42$10:05
Stskeepsthat'd be nice and geeky ;)10:05
alterego:)10:06
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alteregoHow come finland has .fi and uk doesn't :(10:07
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alterego.org.uk it is10:07
Stskeepshistory10:08
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alteregoI should find a sponsor10:09
alteregoHey, have your name all over my website.10:09
alteregoJust give me money10:09
alteregomeegonetwork.org.uk purchased :)10:10
jukkaeklalterego, if uk is not working out for you feel free to move to fi :)10:10
alteregoHeh10:10
tonberry_lol10:10
alteregoI can't I just bought the bloody domain now :P10:11
jukkaekltampere is a nice place10:11
alteregoMaybe I can sell it to MeeGoExperts10:11
jukkaekl:)10:11
Stskeeps25 C in tampere on monday, hmm..10:11
Stskeepsthat'll be an unusual experience10:11
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jukkaeklnothing unusual abou that these days10:15
jukkaeklweve got that quite often now in summer10:15
alteregoHeh10:15
Stskeepsah, global warming ;)10:16
jukkaeklwhat else I can think of to advertise finland..10:16
jukkaeklbeautiful people, in general .)10:16
jukkaekland smart too10:16
alteregoSo I was thinking of getting MeeGo involved in internet enabled jukeboxes (for pubs & bars) and also those internet connected game things they have in bars.10:16
Bostikmoonlight skinny-dipping? :)10:16
Stskeepsalterego: sounds like a good market10:16
alteregoMaybe even POS machines, supermarket checkout systems.10:17
* lbt_hel considers buying meegonetwork.org.jm ...10:17
jukkaeklBostik, yes we have that of course and midsummer is near10:17
alteregomeegonetwork.org.jam?10:17
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dm8tbralterego: its yet another embedded thing to build from. so anything goes10:17
lbt_helI hust figure the parties will be really good10:17
jukkaekllbt_hel, in finland?10:18
alterego:)10:18
jukkaeklin summer in finland is like the party country10:19
lbt_helI am.... I was kinda hoping that if I bought the jamaican domain I'd get invites there too ;)10:19
jukkaeklin other 10 months of the year, not so much..10:19
* jukkaekl is not typing under the influence though it might seem like that10:20
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alteregoHeh10:20
alteregoOkay, setup my DNS for the domain, mail and www10:21
alteregoMaybe I'll setup gopher10:21
jukkaeklgopher brings back good memories10:21
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alteregoHoly cow, it couldn't have started working that quickly ..10:22
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jukkaekl"Welcome to The King William IV" :)10:23
alteregosssh!10:23
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tonberry_hey guys wana ask something off topic, I looking for dlna adapter for non-dlna tv, any thoughts?10:40
Stskeepsa PC?10:41
Stskeeps:10:41
StskeepsP10:41
tonberry_hmm pc or mobile phone10:41
tonberry_to share photos & movie to tv10:41
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alteregoAww, I remember a meegon under construction type banner10:53
alteregoWith all the meegons with hard hats and stuff.10:53
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Stskeepsit was proposed for R&D meego at least10:54
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alhadiHi10:55
alhadiinstalled meego , but no WIFI :(10:56
alhadion wired and bluetooth10:56
alhadihow am i suppose to put wireless on this Dell Inspiron Mini 1010:56
alhadi?10:56
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alhadihow to i upgrade packages in meego?11:07
alhadiwhats the command11:07
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thpalhadi: with zypper - check out "zypper --help"11:11
alhadiok11:11
alhadican i do dist upgrade?11:12
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thpalhadi: google says "zypper dup"11:14
alhadisure11:14
pebcakbe prepared for it not work out :P11:15
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thpi'm also more used to debian-based systems with apt goodness. although i have to say that i was surprised how quick rpm installs single .rpm files compared to dpkg installing single .deb files11:17
thpi have thought about writing a thin wrapper script so that i can use apt-get/apt-cache and the wrapper script will convert the calls to the correct zypper commands11:18
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Stskeepsalias apt-get zypper11:19
thphehe ;) you would at least alias apt-cache as well. for "apt-cache search"11:19
thpand i think apt-get update is like zypper ref(resh)?11:20
Bostikyup11:20
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thpwhile we are at it.. when uploading something to the obs, do i need to have a separate .tar.gz file plus a .spec file, or is it possible to e.g. put the .spec directly in the tarball and just upload that?11:21
Stskeepsspecs are seperate as it's packaging to a upstream release11:22
Stskeepsyou can probably script your way out of that with osc plugins11:23
Stskeepsit's python after all11:23
thpin debian we have "native" packages for packages - no such thing for rpm/meego?11:23
Stskeepsno such thing11:24
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alhadihello11:24
alhadithank you thp11:24
Stskeepsthp: occasionally you can cheat and not even have a tarball, but that usually means no subdirs11:24
alhadihttp://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html11:24
alhadifound out that there is a workaround to get wifi working11:25
alhadijust in progress , will let you guys know the result11:25
thpStskeeps: another short q: is building directly out of a git repository possible?11:27
thpi.e. set up an obs project that automatically builds nightly packages out of a specific branch?11:28
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thpor do i need to script this client-side?11:28
Stskeepsthp: yes, with source services, but it happens server-side11:29
Stskeepsand i'm not sure if david closed my bug on SS's yet11:29
pebcakthp git-buildpackage-like?11:29
jrayhawkthp: dpkg is overparanoid about syncing; use of something like 'sudo eatmydata apt-get install whatever; sync' helps significantly11:31
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thpjrayhawk: that explains that, yep :)11:34
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dwmw2357 messages on my queue for nokia.com ...11:43
dwmw2and still no response from postmaster@11:43
dwmw2any nokians about?11:44
Stskeepslbt_hel: you know anyone who could reasonably contact the monsters in the basement doing nokia.com mail?11:45
dwmw2hm, do nokia *defer* mail for ex-employees, or actually reject it?11:45
Stskeepsdwmw2: that's a good question11:46
dwmw2I note all of these are to four addresses, one of whom I think now has an @intel.com address.11:46
dwmw2while it accepts other mail11:46
dwmw2can I give you four names in private and you can check my hypothesis?11:46
Stskeepsyes, sure11:46
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alteregoUrgh, how to manage multiple twitter accounts O_O11:49
lcukdwmw2, is this bugzilla mail?11:49
dwmw2lcuk: no. mailing lists (linux-arm-kernel, linux-mtd, etc.)11:49
dwmw2I mailed postmaster@nokia on Wednesday night (actually Thursday morning I think) and haven't got a reply.11:50
dwmw22011-06-02 01:20:46 +0000 1QRwab-0006eO-OS <= dwmw2@infradead.org H=i7.infradead.org [2001:8b0:10b:1:225:64ff:fee8:e9df] P=esmtpsa X=TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256 A=plain:dwmw2 S=1440 id=1306977628.8100.37.camel@i7.infradead.org11:51
dwmw22011-06-02 01:20:49 +0000 1QRwab-0006eO-OS => postmaster@nokia.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mx2.nokia.com [147.243.177.58] X=TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256 C="250 2.0.0 p521KUYu031047 Message accepted for delivery"11:51
dwmw2*that* message got through :)11:51
Stskeepsmaybe it is like people on vacation and mailbox full or something?11:51
Stskeepsi mean, it is stupid exchange..11:51
dwmw2it boggles my mind that people actually try to use Exchange for real email11:52
alhadiYAY11:52
alhadigot my wifi working11:52
alhadi:)11:52
Stskeepsdwmw2: intel has that too, though?11:52
dwmw2yes :(11:52
Stskeepsi guess linux.intel.com is then non-exchange11:52
dwmw2which is why I've been giving Intel peeps alternative, *functional* email addresses for the last decade so that they can do their day job.11:53
dwmw2correct11:53
Stskeepshehe11:53
tonberry_;[11:54
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thp..and we have Mong built on the OBS.. http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/thp/ (probably only makes sense on meego tablet, though)12:01
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Stskeepscool12:03
thpone target failed, but obs tells me that rpmbuild and such are missing, so i guess that's a builder problem12:03
thpmeego_current_Core with armv8el12:04
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X-Fadethp: I need to do some cleanup there.12:05
X-Fadethp: That is bascially old stuff. Which needs to be removed.12:06
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alteregoJaffa: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk12:09
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alhadigents, how can i install mp3 plugin?12:11
alhadiseems that it wont play mp3 at all12:12
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* alterego wonders what to base his network site on .. drupal, wordpress, something I build myself ..12:14
StskeepsQML?12:14
Stskeeps;p12:14
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alteregoTeeheehee, yeah, I'll probably write a qml app :)12:15
Stskeepsseriously though, if you can do a flash to html5, why can't you with qml.12:15
alhadi???12:15
alteregoWe need a webkit qml plugin12:15
alteregoTo use object tags type application/qml or something ..12:16
inzGtk+ dhtml back-end!12:16
lcuksurely the most future proof method of building the web is with an Visual Basic ActiveX DHTML12:17
alteregoI was actually talking to some Qt guys about that at meegoconf I'd completely forgotton12:17
alteregolcuk: forgot: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk12:17
lcuki saw it a few posts up12:17
alteregoIdeas and input welcome, follow @MeeGoNetworkUK on twitter12:17
alteregoGot a facebook group setup too.12:17
lcukalterego, you made a spelling mistake12:18
alteregoAnyway, I should probably do some work ;)12:18
alteregolcuk: :S where?!12:18
lcuklol j/k :P12:18
alteregophew :P12:18
lcukbut I bet you looked12:18
alteregoI almost bought meegonotwerk.org.uk12:18
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sandst1alhadi: mp3 is not included to MeeGo by default due to licensing stuff. you have to compile a couple of components http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=27912:19
inzalterego, that would have been much better =)12:19
alteregodneary_: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk I need graphics and all that jazz, where are the svgs?! :)12:19
* lcuk dds up handset ux on n900-de12:19
alteregoI should probably email meego-community12:20
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priyankahas somebody rried selinux with meego12:21
alteregoOr maybe wait until I actually have a site up ;)12:21
Ronksualterego: if you find a nice way to handle multiple twitter accounts, let me know. Tweetdeck seemed nice (jus tried out yesterday), but would be nice to hear of other options12:21
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lbt_helStskeeps: back now ... mail still an issue?12:21
alteregoRonksu: yeah, I'm thinking just seperate devices :P12:22
alteregoI'm gonna get some MeeGoNetworkUK stickers done.12:22
Stskeepslbt_hel: think so12:22
lbt_helok will ask12:22
alteregoAnd some t-shirts12:22
alteregoI should get someone to look for sponsors for me actually.12:23
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alteregoWhy did I do this, now I've got even more crap to organie :S12:24
Ronksualterego: the curse of enthusiasm :)12:25
thpX-Fade: well as long as it's not a problem with the package it's okay12:25
alteregoI'm gonna hack together a facebook plugin or something to generate a list of events from the facebook group12:25
alteregoTo show on the page12:25
alteregoAt the very least that'll be useful for now.12:25
lbt_helStskeeps: phaeron knows someone... not here right now though12:26
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lcukIf I were a meego vendor wanting to make a meego based project and sell actual physical hardware with this included, do I need to duplicate the entire meego site?  (bugzilla, site, wiki, mailing lists etc)12:26
Stskeepslcuk: no12:27
lcukwell supposing I wanted to create meego exactly like it currently is, but with mp3 codec added12:27
alteregoIf I were a vendor I'd hope I'd already have bugzilla ;)12:27
lcukI could not call it meego12:28
Stskeepslcuk: generally just obs needed..12:28
Stskeepsand mic212:28
lcukalterego, many many companies have minimal web presence12:28
alteregolcuk: I don't even have a personal website ;)12:28
lcukgot a bug, send us a real letter.12:28
alteregoThough I'm freelance12:28
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tonberry_as long as u own a fb acc12:29
tonberry_u can start from there12:29
lcuknot really12:29
alteregoHeh12:29
tonberry_create fan page.. lol12:30
Mirvlbt_hel: do you have time to add me (id tjyrinki) to public obs or will I bug x f a d e about it?12:30
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lbt_helMirv: done :)12:32
lbt_hellcuk: that's a good question12:32
lcukis there any vendor who has to date managed to get over hte UX hurdle and create a whole UX + prerequisite apps for their machine12:32
lbt_helI have the answer12:32
lcukooh12:32
Stskeepslcuk: wetab?12:32
Mirvlbt_hel: thx, now I'm able to think of new stuff to put on my n900 :)12:33
lcukwhat specific elements does wetab have in addition to the launcher?12:33
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lcukStskeeps, is wetab a meego build though?12:33
lcukI thought it was based on ubuntu?12:34
Stskeepsyeah, though not advertised as such12:34
Stskeepsit's meego 1.1 based12:34
Stskeepsor 1.0, i forget12:34
lbt_hellcuk: so .. can you wait until I get back and paste about 4 pages of blah into the wiki?12:35
lbt_helthen help me structure it and edit it12:35
lcuklbt_hel, for sure, just trying to start some discussion as usual12:36
lcuksounds like a plan, but at about 3pm I am out for a bit12:36
lcukcalling back into manchester to see IntelRemastered art in the Cube gallery12:36
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lcukone of the MeeGo guys who I met and who is active on the forums is coming :)12:37
* lcuk will put calendar up on the gallery wall to see if people mistake it for art12:37
lcuka living breathing evolving art piece. :)12:37
lcukStskeeps, http://digitalcamerabattery.us/blog/wetab-comes-with-an-open-operating-system-meego/12:39
lcukwhen they were announcing it, somehow they were running it based on Windows 712:40
lcukbut anyway12:41
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moystardhello everyone12:41
moystardhope you are all doing well12:41
lcuk\o hello12:42
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moystardI have a question for the users of the IVI version. I am trying to use the embedded PocketSphynx text to speech but it does not seem to work. I checked the .xsession-errors file but it does not seem to be running...12:42
moystardhow is it supposed to work?12:42
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lcukmoystard, not sure12:45
lcukI did not even know the IVI had text to speech built in12:45
moystardit has pocketsphinx12:45
lcukwell I gather that based on what you said12:45
moystardit seems that PulseAudio refuses the connection12:45
lcukI shall have to try it12:45
* lcuk has wanted irc to speech on this channel for a while ;)12:45
moystardlol12:46
moystardmakes sense12:46
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#IRC12:46
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lcukask in #meego-ivi12:46
moystardok ok12:47
lcukoh12:47
* lcuk never knew it existed and knows why12:47
moystardexplain :)12:47
lcukit needs boosting12:47
moystardwhat do you mean?12:48
* lcuk is not sure it is an official irc channel12:48
lcuk(the main channels normally have a few more people in12:48
moystardyup, I have no luck. I know that the IVI version is far from being the most popular one...12:49
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lcukmoystard, it is the fastest one though!12:58
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lcukat least until MeeGo Orbital Infotainment build arrives12:58
moystardI have never heard of meego orbital12:59
moystard:P12:59
moystardls12:59
moystardI will just try to figure it out by myself13:00
moystardor contact the maintainer of the package13:00
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lcukmoystard, the Orbital build is only stalled waiting for beta testers13:02
lcukthe latest conference included a session building scale models of the orbital insertion technology (catapults)13:03
lcukand tested using some rather annoyed feathered beasts13:03
lcukmoystard, feedback any info you find onto the wiki/irc etc please13:04
moystardwill do :)13:04
moystardIs it a private beta or a public one?13:04
moystardwould be interested to try it out13:04
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moystardzypper does not provide the maintainer of the package :/13:07
Stskeepsrpm -q13:07
moystardrpm -qi does not provide as well13:09
moystardgives complete information but not the maintainer13:09
moystardsure that rpm descriptions in meego include the maintainer?13:09
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Stskeepshmm, maybe13:12
Stskeepschangelog otherwise good13:12
Stskeeps-q --changelog13:12
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alteregoYay, http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/13:15
alteregoWrote a little integration into facebook events :)13:15
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lcukdd taking an ice age today13:33
lcukoh13:34
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lcukmental note, actually press enter on the dd command line to let it start13:34
alteregoHah13:35
alteregoHahahah13:35
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alteregoI should probably have a shower.13:43
Stskeepsshower, wassat?13:43
Stskeeps:P13:43
alteregoAnd do some proper work ..13:44
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alhadican meego run exe files?13:46
iekkuproper work, what is that?13:46
alhadican meego run exe files?13:47
iekkualhadi, i don't think so, but i'm not the smartest one in here13:48
moystardI guess that you can probably use wine to run windows executables13:48
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alteregoBut only on Intel ..13:48
moystardyup13:48
lcukhe never said windows executables13:48
lcukhe said exe files13:48
moystardhe said exe13:48
alteregolcuk: yes ...13:48
iekkumoystard, does wine work with meego?13:48
lcukI can rename a shell script to script.exe13:48
moystardI thought he was implying windows exec13:48
alteregoMaybe dosbox then :D13:48
lcukand it will run13:49
moystardlcuk, :P13:49
alhadiactually13:49
moystardit depends which kind of exe you want to run13:49
alhadii want to install typing tutor :)13:49
alhadisorry guys for the confusion13:49
iekkuhmmm, need to try wine some day13:49
alhadiits a portable13:49
alhadi:)13:49
lcukaldWindows binary executables do not run in MeeGo13:49
lcuksince meego is a Linux based OS13:49
lcukyou need Linux binaries13:50
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alhadihmm13:50
moystardor you need a virtual machine13:50
alhadii see13:50
moystardor an emulator13:50
lcukmoystard, extra confusion13:50
lcuksimplest is no13:50
moystardbut it is not the truth13:50
moystardthis is a biased vision :)13:50
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lcuk(since most folks who want to run exes would not get emulator etc running13:50
moystardit is better to find an alternative of your windows software for linux13:50
moystardbut if you have no other solutions13:51
lcuksod that13:51
moystardcould work13:51
lcukwrite it from scratch13:51
lcukif you want to learn typing then open an IDE editor and learn to type by writing a typing tutor program13:51
lcuk:)13:51
alhadilol13:51
alhadiits for my wife13:51
alhadishe dont know abc of linux13:51
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moystardI am sure it exists a few typing tutors apps for linux13:51
lcukthen get her to write a typing tutor application13:51
alhadii recommend her for putting meego13:51
alhadimeego my fav13:52
alhadihmm13:52
alhadishe cannot write :(13:52
alhadiprogramming13:52
* lcuk is part way through writing a writing tutor program :)13:52
moystard??13:52
dneary_alterego, ?13:52
lcukalhadi, anybody can write computer programs13:52
lcukthe distinction is whether they compile or not13:52
dneary_alterego, Which SVGs?13:52
alhadii have no clue for making it boss13:52
vvaltoneyes, I want to run the full microsoft word on my mobile phone too13:52
dneary_lcuk: I dig what you're saying. I wrote a basic program once and it didn't compile.13:53
iekkuvvaltone, then you can buy new nokia... i will be suprised if word not included ;)13:53
dneary_And then the same thing happened when I wrote my first Python program13:53
moystardbye guys13:53
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lcukdneary_, :D13:54
dneary_lcuk: :-P~~~13:54
iekkuvvaltone, or maybe they have some lisence for it, only 100$ or so...13:54
lcukalhadi, my girlfriend learn to type using instant messaging13:55
vvaltonedneary_, that's probably because gcc doesn't understand python13:55
vvaltoneiekku, I was rather thinking about running the desktop version of word on one of those x86 intel phones13:56
alteregodneary_: don't worry, Texrat said he'd hook me up. I've started setting up http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/13:56
lcukalhadi, if you have 2 computers in the house, just talking to your wife is simply13:56
lcuksimple13:56
alhadiok :)13:56
alhadiher english is poor13:56
lcukI am sure some others here will also talk to your wife too13:56
lcukalhadi, but you can talk with her and help each other13:57
alhadii help her13:57
lcuk\o/13:57
amjad_i have a programming interview online right now, lets see if my program compiles :)13:57
alteregoHeh13:57
* Stskeeps stabs the stupid blog media for thinking meego has a 32$ license fee14:04
thiago_homeStskeeps: you're saying that because you didn't get your cut :-P14:06
Stskeepsthiago_home: :(14:06
thiago_homeanyway, it's very frustrating to read engadget's comments14:06
Stskeepsthiago_home: on a sidenote, were you in the qt5 planning bof?14:06
Stskeepsat meegoconf14:06
thiago_homeno one gets anything there14:06
thiago_homeyeah, I ran it :)14:06
Stskeepsdoes anyone have notes?14:06
thiago_homeI do14:06
dneary_vvaltone, yathink? :)14:07
lcukStskeeps, where does the license thing come from?14:07
thiago_homeneed to post them to meego-dev14:07
Stskeepsthiago_home: thanks - i'm starting to look at how 1.3, wayland, n900 and qt5 are connected for planning's sake so that stuff matters to me :)14:07
Stskeepslcuk: techeye.net, the usual @@%14:07
thiago_homesummary is: track both 4.8+scenegraph and 5.0 for some time14:08
thiago_homethen around end of August make a decision which one to go for14:08
Stskeepsnice, 4.8+scenegraph exists/will exist?14:08
thiago_homeexists14:08
Stskeepscool14:08
thiago_homeeither way, it will be a non-standard version of Qt. A non-release.14:08
lcuknever heard of it14:08
lcukso it cannot be the usual14:08
thiago_home5-beta has more of what MeeGo wants, including getting rid of the widget legacy in the main libraries14:09
lcukspecific link14:09
Stskeepsbut i guess not specifically needed for 1.314:09
thiago_homebut getting it releasable by October is a callenge14:09
thiago_homechallenge14:09
thiago_homethe scene graph currently runs on 4.8, but we'll start making changes that will break that compatibility14:10
thiago_homewe also agreed that this version of Qt will not be the default on the device. It will be enabled only for programs that have been tested to work with it.14:11
thiago_homeother programs will run with stock 4.8 on X1114:11
Stskeepsok14:11
Stskeepsi guess it's better than brutally forking14:11
clbrhi. I'm trying to install the most recent pinetrail image to my brand new exopc, but I can't "klick" on the right-arrow-button in the bottom right corner after the live image got copied to the hard drive. I feel like I'm about to cry14:14
clbrI'll file a but that's not a good idea to have crucial buttons in an installer unnecessary placed very smaller at the screen corner, but in the meantime anyone got a hint how I can solve this?14:15
Stskeepsclbr: bugs.meego.com is a good start14:15
clbrI've used the bugtracker14:15
w00tthiago_home: 5 already has the widgets split?14:15
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clbrIt should be possible to mount the exopc to my desktop computer and write the image directly from there, but then probably the live image is contained in the installer image and not easily accessible from an OS X system, isn't it?14:17
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Stskeepsclbr: if it's copied to the hd drive it should be fine to reboot, i would think14:18
clbrStskeeps: thanks for helping. Unfortunately it isn't (at least the one time a tried). the device complains about a missing boot system after reboot14:19
Stskeepsclbr: hmm14:19
clbrIs there the live image availabe somewhere on OBS?14:19
clbrwithout the USB stick installer package around?14:19
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* alterego feels refreshed14:20
clbrmaybe I've got again faulty hardware and it's not an installer issue but something with the SSD drive14:21
Stskeepsor just unlucky - got a usb mouse?14:22
lcukclbr, https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook14:22
clbrwhen using the power button, the console has ext-fs3 inode errors14:22
lcukincludes isntructions about image-writer wrapper program to create usb-disk image14:23
slaineFrom the mac you should just be able to use dd to write the image to the usb flash drive14:23
clbrlcuk: this is about writing the installer image to an usb stick, isn't it? I'm doing this since april successfully.14:24
clbrI'm thinking about writing to the exopc directly from the Mac, skipping the Meego installer14:24
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lcukclbr, dunno, everyone I have seen installing meego uses a usb stick to bootstrap everything14:25
* lcuk has a MeeGo conf Dublin usb stick on his car keys14:25
clbrlcuk: yeah, me too :-(14:25
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lcukthe shamrock shaped keyring portion is better than any other usb key I have14:25
lcukand infact makes it look like a real key :)14:26
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w00tclbr: what error are you getting?14:26
Stskeepsclbr: maybe you wrote the image incorrectly14:26
amjad_and my code does not compile :)14:27
w00trecent (1.2.80) images have been completely broken14:27
clbrStskeeps: the meego installer successfully runs but then either hangs at the end of writing the live image or doesn't react to my "clicks" on the next step button14:27
clbrI'll got through everything again and note the exact errors14:28
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slaineclbr: Don't have the ExoPC hardware ( :( ) but I doubt you'd have raw access to the internal storage14:30
leinirWhen you say "internal storage" what do you mean?14:30
clbrslaine: probably you're right. I'm used to this "target disk mode"14:30
slaineleinir: he was wanting to write the image directly to the ExoPC internal flash storage14:31
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slainei.e. it's hard drive14:31
leinirWell, that should be fairly straight forward - the internal flash storage is just a standard unit :)14:32
clbrmight there be something wrong with the latest image 1.2.0.90.2.20110602.1 ?14:32
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thiago_homew00t: yes14:32
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leinirAs in, it's just a PCIe SSD :)14:33
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w00tthiago_home: hmm :-)14:33
clbrI wanted to check if bug #15472 is solved14:33
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15472 maj, High, ---, kai.chai, ASSI, Bluetooth: after system booting, hci0 is DOWN and unable to be UP (30% possibility)14:33
w00tI really need to check it out soon14:33
clbrleinir: but it's probably not accessible as USB mass storage device14:35
slaineexactly14:35
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leinirWell no, it isn't - you have to take it out ;)14:35
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slaineclbr, have you tried an older image14:36
clbrslaine: i will, just deciding which one14:36
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slaineI guess the one that was handed out at the SF conf would be a good known starting point14:39
slaineyou'll then verify if it's your process, the hardware or the image14:40
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alteregolbt_hel: guess what I'm developing the meego network uk site in ;)14:55
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lcukalterego, is the meego network site meego compliant?14:59
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alteregoI don't know, I'm gonna wait until dawn comes online15:00
alteregolcuk: do you mean my logo?15:00
clbralterego: it runs on a N900?15:00
alteregoHeh15:00
lcukcan I install office on your site?15:01
alteregolcuk: in the absence of meegonetwork.uk (.uk tld) I chose .org.uk15:01
alteregoThat's the only oddity I've come across so far.15:01
* lcuk finally booting up 0530 handset image15:01
lcukafter trying to see how far the tablet build works15:01
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lcukwow the n900-de theme pictures get better with each image15:04
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lbt_helalterego: :D15:06
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lcukalterego, surprise lbt by coding it in asm15:06
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alteregoWell, if asm is anything like RoR ...15:08
lcukI think RoR is actually harder15:09
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alteregoSo I'm doing a little list of things I want on the site: news/blog, photo gallery, jobs & opportunities, mailing list, member profiles, event aggregation, twitter aggregation, links to facebook group, twitter, etc. and sub-domains for cambridge, birmingham and london15:10
alteregoThough london doesn't exist yet ..15:10
lcukI am going to another mini Manchester meetup today15:11
lcukvisiting the Intel Remastered exhibition15:11
alterego+manchester :)15:12
alhadii guess i have given chance to meego15:13
alhadinow i have to go15:13
alhadithanks for who ever helped15:13
alhadibye15:13
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slaineWasn't there a guide somewhere on setting up your own OBS for meego, for internal builds15:14
slaineI can't seem to find it15:14
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maxwanyone using gitorious for merge requests? For me, it often seems to get the wrong commit to merge. Am I doing something wrong?15:17
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timakimamaxw: i think the ui seems to mess with merge requests sometimes by not including correct commit id:s when you view the diff15:22
maxwhrm, so it might have been ok after all? I deleted and resubmitted - but it's not the first time I've had to do that...15:24
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Ans5idoes someone know where intel graphics/linux people are?16:08
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Ans5imy gallium driver complains that it could not create DRM screen.16:08
Ans5iand drops to software.16:08
berndhsPortland ?16:09
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Ans5iberndhs: too far... :)16:09
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berndhsearly in the morning there too :)16:09
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MirvAns5i: are you using the latest intel driver stack + kernel?16:16
Mirvah, saw the answer already on another channel. no, they're probably not interested if you can't reproduce it with the drm-intel-next etc. stuff16:17
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brakkvatnHow can I run meego in my qemu? I get an error that it cannot work without intel_agp or something16:40
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fiferboyLatest Tablet UX 1.2.0.90 image freezes on install18:08
fiferboySome interesting changes in the live boot18:08
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clbrfiferboy: yes, got the bug too18:09
clbrwould you file a bug? slightly busy this afternoon here18:09
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fiferboyclbr: Sure, do you know what I should file it against?18:12
fiferboyCore? Pinetrail HW Adaption?18:12
fiferboyAh, found installation18:13
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clbrsounds right18:13
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DawnFosterslaine: ping18:19
slaineDawnFoster: ACK18:19
slaineDawnFoster: in a meeting at the moment18:19
slaineI'll be slow to respond18:19
fiferboyBug 18557 filed18:20
DawnFosterslaine: just wanted to send you the link to the Community Device Program application: https://meego.com/community/device-program18:20
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 nor, Undecided, ---, chengwei.yang, NEW, Installation freezes during live image copy18:20
clbrfiferboy: great18:20
DawnFostertexrat is working on the blog post / mailing list announcement, but the program is live18:20
alteregoAh, seems to have started working again :)18:21
slaineDawnFoster: cool, thanks18:23
alteregoSo my site aggregates events on facebook and shows my twitter feed :)18:25
alteregoNow for the blog ...18:25
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gabrbeddalterego: so you set up yet another blog?18:30
gabrbedd:-p18:30
alteregoWell, it's the news section of this site18:31
alteregoSo not really a blog :P18:31
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julienfhey guys, has anyone heard of any development on the ZOOM dev device from TI?18:32
slaineDawnFoster: right, I've applied18:32
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gabrbeddjulienf: what kind of development do you mean?18:32
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julienfopen source support on OMAP TI ZOOM dev device http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12013&contentId=53575&DCMP=wtbu_zoom&HQS=Other+PR+zoom2_technical18:33
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Stskeepsjulienf: i have a zoom2 like that18:36
Stskeepsjulienf: we used to have maemo5 on there without big trouble18:37
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Teo`I would appreciate some help with the following issue, I've been banging my head against it for a while now: I've got the meego 1.2 sdk installed in an ubuntu 10.10 chroot, and I've installed and set up the tablet 1.2 runtime, and it works in QEMU, but I can't ssh into it18:40
Teo`$  ssh root@localhost -p 666618:40
Teo`ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host18:40
Teo`does somebody have an idea as to why this happens and how do I fix it?18:41
Ans5iTeo`: you could try ssh with debug flags.. maybe the ubunutu is blocking you.18:42
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npm ?? https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 ??18:42
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MeeGoBotBug 11204 maj, High, 1.1.80.9, fboudra, NEW, "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissio18:42
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Teo`oh18:42
Teo`you think it's a bad key in the image?18:42
Ans5ior meego :)18:42
npmno, the key is fine. ssh is very particular about the permissions on keys, and will fail silently if it's not perfect18:43
npmthis includes the permissions on the directory, and ownership18:43
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Teo`uhm18:44
Teo`maybe I missed a setp18:44
Teo`step18:44
Teo`I don't even have .ssh/authorized_keys18:44
Ans5iTeo`: you can also debug the ssh connection with -vvv flag btw18:44
alteregoGonna install the Qt SDK on the exo ..18:45
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alteregoThis should be interesting.18:45
npmthat's the one that gets setup if you hit "deploy public key" cept it gets setup wrong, or at least it did18:45
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npmi'd try sshing via terminal first to see if this working as expected18:45
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Teo`npm: so it should have been setup by the SDK installer?18:46
npmsometimes the first time you ssh, it queries to update known_hosts, or fails silently if it's not setup18:46
npmso setup manually by sshing in terminal, saying "yes" to update known_hosts, etc18:46
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npmthen try again from sdk18:46
Teo`might be that my keys are somehow different, since the .ssh is shared with my archlinux config18:47
Teo`and I'm sshing from the ubuntu chroot18:47
clbralterego: also nice: using the SDK on the exopc per x forwarding18:47
npmwell then you need to setup a copy of your ssh creds in the ubuntu chroot18:47
Teo`npm: isn't it enough to copy over the .ssh?18:48
npmclbr: or ssh -f -Y meego@meegotab emacs --funcall shell18:48
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npmTeo`: copy and make sure permissions/ownership are correct.18:50
Teo`well everything is owned by teo (that's me!)18:50
Teo`should they all be 644?18:50
Teo`some files are 60018:51
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npmyou'll have to look at a working system or consult the man pages on that...18:51
Teo`I've never had trouble sshing anywhere else though18:51
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gabrbeddum, Teo` shouldn't be having to do all this stuff.18:54
gabrbeddI think there's something else afoot.18:54
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gabrbeddTeo`: did you try to logging in as meego@localhost?18:55
gabrbeddTeo`: Also, does nmap show port 6666 open?18:55
Teo`gabrbedd: sec, I'll try18:56
Teo`$  ssh meego@localhost -p 666618:56
Teo`ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host18:56
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Teo`Discovered open port 6666/tcp on 127.0.0.118:58
Teo`gabrbedd: ↑18:58
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gabrbeddTeo`: My guess is that there is something funky with your setup.  It sounds like you have qemu running in a chroot running in... something else.19:02
alteregoAlmost done ..19:02
Teo`gabrbedd: it's running in an ubuntu chroot inside archlinux19:02
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gabrbeddTeo`: Maybe this will help:  http://edoceo.com/notabene/ssh-exchange-identification19:02
Teo`gabrbedd: I did it this way because my usual distro isn't supported19:02
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Teo`gabrbedd: thanks19:02
gabrbeddTeo`: Bottom line is that it's some sort of server-side issue.19:03
Teo`gabrbedd: yup, that's exactly how my -v output looks like19:03
Teo`it's a completely virgin meego tablet 1.2 runtime image though19:04
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Teo`gabrbedd: is there something I can do inside the image through the meego tablet environment?19:05
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alteregoMust stop poking laptop screen like it's the exo ..19:08
javispedromust buy laptop with pokeable screen19:09
* TSCHAKeee old enough he thinks of something else when he sees poke.19:09
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gabrbeddTeo`: So... you can't even interface with it through qmeu?19:17
Teo`gabrbedd: I can19:18
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Teo`gabrbedd: I can use the UI normally in QEMU19:18
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vgrade_DawnFoster: thanks for getting the device program up and running.  My application is in19:18
Teo`gabrbedd: I just can't ssh into it19:18
DawnFostervgrade_: great, thanks!19:18
vgrade_DawnFoster: at last a chance of a device with some MeeGo supporting drivers19:19
DawnFostertexrat is going to do more to promote it next week when we have a blog post19:19
gabrbeddTeo`: Right. You'll have to open xterm and diagnose it from the command line.19:19
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DawnFosterwe were keeping it low-key until we got a few applications in to make sure we didn't have any huge bugs :)19:19
vgrade_DawnFoster: well my application went ok. How will the lucky few be chosen?19:20
Teo`gabrbedd: ok, I'm in xterm19:20
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Teo`network works on 10.0.2.15 normally, I got connectivity19:20
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DawnFostervgrade_: selection committee / process documented in a crazy amount of detail here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program19:21
DawnFosterbasically, texrat, Brian Warner & I get to pick :)19:21
Teo`gabrbedd: hosts.allow is empty, not sure it should be19:21
vgrade_DawnFoster: just noticed that thanks, should have known there was a wiki page19:21
alteregoGood luck vgrade )19:21
alterego:)19:21
Teo`vgrade_: your nick is familiar to me, you're the dude who ported meego to the advent vega, right?19:22
vgrade_alterego: thanks, mate19:22
vgrade_Teo`: yup thats me19:22
Teo`vgrade_: your work is appreciated :)19:22
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vgrade_Teo`: thanks, what interest do you have in Tegra219:23
Teo`vgrade_: I'm a vega owner, but currently I'm trying to set up a tablet env in QEMU because I'm porting Amarok to meego for my GSoC project19:23
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vgrade_ah ok, good luck with that19:24
Teo`eventually it would be cool if I could use the vega for debugging and stuff, but it seemed like a good idea to stick with the beaten path as a start19:25
Teo`:D19:25
Teo`vgrade_: thanks19:25
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gabrbeddTeo`: /etc/ssh/sshd_config19:27
gabrbeddTeo`: also /etc/ssh/*key*19:27
gabrbeddTeo`: But I'm really suspecting your setup.19:27
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Teo`sshd_config seems honest19:28
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Teo`gabrbedd: keys seem to be binary files19:29
Teo`gabrbedd: is this normal?19:29
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Teo`some have XMLish stuff inside19:30
Teo`nope, these keys don't look good to me19:30
Teo`I don't know how to copy text from QEMU19:31
Teo`but it doesn't looke like... a key19:31
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piggzhi, any idea why the meego sdk installer hangs at 34% for me?19:40
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qgilwow, got a bunch of meego-community emails all at once, apparently sent in previous days?19:53
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gabrbeddTeo`: keys should be ASCII text.19:54
Stskeepsqgil: there was a problem with lists some days back and someone else mentioned nokia.com mail has been deferring mails on SMTP level19:54
* qgil wonders if he will ever find the IRC channel where Stskeeps doesn't have the answer ;)19:54
Teo`gabrbedd: then that's what's borked, though I don't know why19:55
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Stskeepsqgil: #qt-lighthouse and #wayland i'm an utter amateur in ;)19:55
qgilhe19:56
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Teo`gabrbedd: for example, ssh_host_dsa_key is binary19:56
Teo`and I installed the image throught the SDK installer, that's all19:56
Teo`I'm gonna try and reinstall19:56
w00tqgil: stskeeps is the oracle19:56
qgilStskeeps: is the sun19:56
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w00tqgil: btw, any ETA on when we might see the code for the terminal in the public?20:01
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qgilw00t: don't quote me since this is not my work but... during next week?20:02
w00tcool :)20:02
qgilw00t: Nokia-the-business is not holding it anymore, now it's just engineering time :)20:02
qgil"just"20:02
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w00t*nod*20:02
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alteregoHeh20:07
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fiferboyOo, a terminal with OSKB would be most welcome20:10
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lcukFacebook emais are taking over my inbox20:12
lcukfight back with IRC chatter or twittering please20:13
lcukqgil, hi, I heard from mja_fin today about an interesting job posting near you20:13
* alterego wonders what tiitoo-hdmi-daemon actually does.20:13
lcukI guess it is related to video output20:13
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alteregoWell, I found the firmware on the internet.20:15
alteregoI wonder if that daemon is too.20:15
gabrbeddlcuk: You can turn off FB emails.20:16
alteregoI can't be bothered to untar that image or install it20:16
RST38hheya alterego, lcuk20:16
alteregoHey RST38h20:16
qgillcuk: interesting, yes20:17
qgillcuk: no idea what is related about20:17
alteregoDoes anyone happen to have that tiitoo-hdmi-daemon file?20:17
alteregoThat they can email me or something :)20:17
RST38hHi qgil20:17
qgilhi there20:18
lcukthe weather in Manchester is 24°C today20:19
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lcukhow is the weather where you are?20:19
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RST38h20-23oC, windy, small cloud front approaching20:20
Tm_Tsunny, no snow20:20
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SpeedEvil20C or so, sunny all day - my test solar heater for 40l of water has nearly boiled it once.20:22
SpeedEvilSo I had to fill it with cold again. Scotland.20:23
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lcukSpeedEvil, that is what testing is for20:24
lcukqgil, I found a way to combine learning skills for little Jake recently. would a more general version of this help your little one:   teaching the time and reading and communicating it back to people :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png20:25
SpeedEvilYeah - I was anticipating the tank isn't really large enough - I need to get a large buffer tank for storing low-grade heat. I'd really like a massive thermos for storing high temp heat. I shall control this eventually with a meego system.20:25
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qgillcuk: nice! but we are still holding our kids off computers / mobiles as much as possible - there is enough pressure in the surroundings. later...20:26
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lcukqgil, indeed, this is just another tile on the at a glance wall mount, so combinig simple elements is not like computing20:27
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newbie007will meego support and of the hildon-desktop stuff (previously maemo) nokia's n90020:34
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thiago_homenewbie007: please rephrase20:35
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w00tdoes zypper have an equivilent to installing build-dep of a package, like apt?20:41
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npmqgil: my son (freshman in hs)  is nearly finished with "Hello World" python book which he programs on his meego netbook (tho the book examples for linux expect fedora so its actually MeeGo + http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem )20:41
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npm^^ http://www.manning.com/sande/20:42
qgilhow old is your son npm ?20:42
npm1520:42
Teo`gabrbedd: made it work, finally. I redownloaded the qemu image20:42
npmhe's been running meego on his netbook since 1.0 came out, and prior, moblin20:42
Teo`gabrbedd: it probably got borked somehow, no idea how20:42
Teo`gabrbedd: thank you for your help :)20:43
gabrbeddTeo`: wow.  corrupt image. hrm.20:43
gabrbeddTeo`: np!20:43
qgilnpm right, mine are 6 and 4, still in the "real" Hello World.  :)20:43
npmwell my son dropped his first laptop running linux at the age of 620:43
npm:-)20:43
npmand he used to have my SGI Indy all to himself20:44
qgilpriorities, it's all fine20:44
npmyeah, the real world is more important20:45
qgilnpm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/5746625217/20:45
npmbut also the issue is that kids get addicted to games first and then think that's all they can do on a computer20:45
lcukqgil, lol!20:45
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lcuknpm, it IS all you can do on a computer20:46
lcuktake linux kernel for instance20:46
qgil:D20:46
lcukit is a MMORPG20:46
lcukwhere people pretend to be developers or managers :P20:46
npmwell that's actually what i was trying to get at w/ him, give him "programming addiction" instead of "game addiction" because otherwise all his computer creativity is taken up by minecraft20:47
qgilwhat about design adition, writing adition... there are many things to get addicted20:48
SpeedEvilnpm: They are not exclusive!20:48
lcukangry birds addition :P20:48
SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug20:48
npmdepends on the kid :-)20:48
npm"I'm going to uninstall java" is a major threat in my house :-)20:49
npmalmost as bad as "i'm going to disable flash"20:49
npmas in "do your homework or..."20:49
lcuknpm, installing linux onto random devices belonging to my eldest was fun, especially with his nintendo ds20:49
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npmi've appropriated his wii nunchucks for use w/ my meego lenovo20:50
lcukI am quite intereste din the 9axis sensor data20:51
lcukinterested in20:51
newbie007thiago_home: here's what I'm really asking, the n900 has a lot of great programs gnumeric, abiword, nintendo, etc.. I'm just wondering if these will be available on meego20:51
npmhttp://nielsmayer.com/meego/wmgui-for-wiimote-and-nunchuk-via-bluetooth-on-meegolem.png20:51
lcukputting a a set of those inside a robot cluster would give interesting data20:51
SpeedEvillcuk: 9 axis?20:51
SpeedEvillcuk: The nunchucks only have an accellerometer - for 3 axis - I thought20:52
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SpeedEvilAnyway - MEMs sensor chips are coming way cheaper20:52
npmsee the image for what nunchuk data provided20:52
newbie007because when your practicing your ninja movies while upside down mid-way through a back flip...20:53
lcukgyroscope,accelerometer,magnetometer20:53
npmalthough i hadn't enabled ir or added the nunchuk20:53
lcukSpeedEvil, sure20:53
lcukbut I am talking about dedicated units20:53
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npmi bet you can buy dedicated units for cheap on ebay these days20:54
npm:-)20:54
lcukhttp://invensense.com/mems/gyro/mpu6000.html20:54
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SpeedEvillcuk: Note that's 6 axis only20:55
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SpeedEvillcuk: The other 3 are external20:55
lcukyeah, note the wording and the system diagram below20:55
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SpeedEvilI don't think anyones done an integrated 9-axis chip yet.20:56
SpeedEvilThere are accel + gyro and accel + mag. But I don't think anyiones broguht togetehr all three in an inexpensive package yet.20:56
lcukSpeedEvil, with many things, you need external components :)20:56
SpeedEvilThere are of course spendy IMUs.20:56
SpeedEvilSure.20:57
SpeedEvilhttp://www.sparkfun.com/products/975720:57
SpeedEvilAnd they are getting cheaper20:57
SpeedEvilThe above - $7 now - was 7 chips and $80 or so maybe 3 years ago.20:58
lcukheh sparkfun are goto guys for many hardware hackers20:58
lcukI was peeking behind the scenes at Intel Remastered digital art exhibit today20:58
lcukand one of them uses an arduino for part of its processing20:59
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SpeedEvilSparkfun are great - as long as you know that stuff is often cheaper elsewhere.20:59
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lcukSpeedEvil, many people I know do not mind the extra expense and rave about service from sparkfun20:59
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SpeedEvilTheir service is mediochre from what I've seen.20:59
SpeedEvilLots of out of stock/...21:00
SpeedEvilAnd 'breakout boards' with hardware errors.21:00
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akkSpeedEvil: What place do you prefer?21:01
* lcuk hmms @ SpeedEvil 21:01
* akk has had good experiences with sparkfun and adafruit21:01
SpeedEvilThere are no 'nice' places - they all suck in different ways.21:01
SpeedEvildigikey, mouser, farnell, ...21:01
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andyrossI've like SparkFun too.  It's true that if you want large quantities or know exactly what you want to order, you can do better elsewhere.  But that's their niche: not everyone is an EDA professional.  Hell, just try ordering crimp connectors from digikey some time and matching the housings to the wire to the connectors...21:08
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andyross(and that's a real example: I had a motor with an oddball connector, took me well over an hour to find the right crimping hardware on digikey, and even then it was mostly a successful guess that worked)21:09
akkyeah, digikey is great for quantity orders or for ordering a bunch of ICs, maybe not so great for arduino-friendly sensor breakout boards.21:09
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akk(and for ICs, there are a couple of great local places I like to support, if spending $3.15 on a handful of chips counts as support)21:10
andyrossI lack the patience to buy electronics out of bins in a brick and mortar.  Digikey might suck, but I'd rather spend an hour crawling their site than picking through packages at a store.21:11
akkI find, for ICs, I have to do online research first anyway and make a list of part #s. Once I have that, it's just as easy to drive to a store and give them my list.21:12
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Alison_Chaikenakk, which store do you prefer?22:23
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akkI order from adafruit or the local place (Action) if I can, then or sparkfun. Or sometimes amazon since I have credits there.22:25
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chouchounehello everyone22:43
chouchouneI'm starting a port of Meego for Tim Slice device with the help of Trim Slice team22:44
chouchouneif anyone is interested ...22:44
vgradecount me in where iks this going on?22:45
vgradethe guys on #TegraLinux will also be in22:45
chouchounehttp://trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=14722:45
chouchouneI'll speak about that on #meego-arm too22:46
vgradecan the ts guys get some hardfp graphics drivers from nvidia22:46
* npm notes noncompliant device ( http://intellicom.se/linux_oem_hardware.cfm ) on http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program22:46
chouchounethey will provide some drivers by next week22:46
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dm8tbrnpm: mhhh, great stuff, comes with linux 2.4 preinstalled!22:48
npmit's missing a display22:48
chouchouneif anyone is interested ...We will provide next week LDK alpha RC with up to date display drivers - not perfect but the best NV has for now."22:48
chouchouneoups22:48
chouchoune"We will provide next week LDK alpha RC with up to date display drivers - not perfect but the best NV has for now."22:48
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dm8tbrnpm: since when is a 2.4 kernel compliant to start with :)22:50
vgradechouchoune, but are they differnt from the ones, here, http://www.trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30&p=9522:50
lcukis GENIVI the same IVI that meego has?22:51
lcukhi vgrade \o22:51
npmwell that's just sw... i'd assume you'd drop meego on it, but no display hardware so you can do runlevel 3 only22:51
vgradechouchoune, great news any way22:51
vgradelcuk, evening22:51
chouchounevgrade: no idea, I need to ask them more informations22:51
chouchounevgrade: so if you're interested, could you reply to my message on Trim Slice's forum ?22:52
chouchouneI would like to post on Meego forum, but I don't exactly know in which cqtegory to post22:53
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vgradechouchoune, community forum and also post to the meego-porting mailing list22:57
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reedI fucking hate rar compression22:58
vgradeI'll add some details, I've been working MeeGo on Tegra2 here, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA222:58
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DawnFoster*cough* language22:58
* reed apologizes22:58
DawnFoster:)22:58
lcukyeah reed, never say the word rar again22:59
gabrbeddnow I know she's got a dirty word monitor.22:59
lcukoh fiddlesticks, now I said it22:59
DawnFosterI have a real knack for glancing at #meego right when someone swears :)22:59
gabrbeddIt picked up on him saying "rar" as a dirty word.22:59
DawnFosterI really don't have alerts for it22:59
gabrbedd:-)22:59
chouchouneok thanks vgrade22:59
andyrossAdd me to the "more offended by rar than profanity" list.23:00
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reedis anybody aware of an unrar package for meego tablet?23:02
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andyrossNo, but surely any old unrar binary from another distro will run.23:05
reedandyross, right, will try that ...23:06
reedand find a way to feed it to evince23:06
vgradechouchoune, post added to your forum, sorry for the news23:09
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chouchounevgrade: no problem, thanks ;)23:13
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w00tanyone know if rusty is around?23:39
* w00t forgets if he used a non-obvious nick23:39
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w00tDawnFoster: maybe you know? :)23:51
DawnFosterw00t: I was looking around for him earlier - I think I saw him this morning23:52
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DawnFosterI think he has an obvious nick, but trying to remember for sure23:52
DawnFosterit's tough here right now. 2pm on our first really sunny day in a while & I think it's the last day of school for most kids.23:53
DawnFosterso the office is a bit sparse :)23:53
w00thaha23:53
w00tit's not urgent, I guess I'll just keep an eye out23:53
DawnFosterIf I see him walk by, I'll let him know23:54
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w00tta :)23:54
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