| CosmoHill | I may or may not have strong feelings for the two people | 00:00 |
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| alterego | I'd rather never see her again tbh | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Count Dracula! | 00:00 |
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| reed | any decent irc client for meego tablet? | 00:02 |
| alterego | irssi? :) | 00:03 |
| thiago | that's what I was going to suggest | 00:03 |
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| alterego | With an external keyboard it's brilliant ;) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | if it needs external addons it is not perfect | 00:05 |
| CosmoHill | isn't everthing better with an external keyboard? | 00:05 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:05 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, depends on usage profile | 00:05 |
| alterego | I find typing on tablets painful | 00:06 |
| lcuk | I got most of the way through liqbase first version without needing a keyboard of any kind | 00:06 |
| lcuk | then needed to ask for a username | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: as in it's not good or it's literary painful? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | and had to create whole vkb for that one input box | 00:06 |
| * lcuk frustrated | 00:06 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: ah | 00:06 |
| alterego | Not good | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Why did you need username? | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Not - say - user photo. | 00:07 |
| CosmoHill | I don't like it that we have to type in our passwords to get books out the library on these big touch screens | 00:07 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, multiuser graffiti wall | 00:07 |
| alterego | It's strange, because it's much easier typing on a small handheld VKB than a tablet for me. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | at some level it needs to be a uid | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | and usernames are required | 00:07 |
| CosmoHill | lot easier to type in wifi keys too | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i had photo select dialogs already and user lists etc | 00:07 |
| lcuk | it was just the name that was needed | 00:07 |
| alterego | If only everyone used openid | 00:08 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG | 00:08 |
| lcuk | for later | 00:08 |
| alterego | Then I wouldn't need to remember a million passwords and type them in on every device I get | 00:08 |
| CosmoHill | wait, that's three N900s? | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: And one RSA failure... | 00:09 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, sure | 00:09 |
| lcuk | oc mode | 00:09 |
| lcuk | no central wifi router | 00:09 |
| alterego | 3 N900s, one laptop, one netbook, one tablet, one desktop | 00:09 |
| lcuk | and all connected in any location | 00:09 |
| lcuk | works anywhere | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | that looks cool in the dark | 00:09 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | alterego, why do you think I strongly desire ad-hoc mode | 00:10 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:10 |
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| alterego | You only have one N900 :P | 00:10 |
| * CosmoHill spots the username in the top left | 00:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's a shame ad-hoc eats battery. | 00:10 |
| alterego | And two prototypes :P | 00:10 |
| lcuk | another usecase: | 00:10 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090915_212335.liqflow_massive.scr.png | 00:10 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yeah | 00:11 |
| lcuk | base at the time | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Now yuou're just being silly. :) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | i just entered a couple of general usernames of people in #liqbase at the time | 00:11 |
| lcuk | why silly? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | the group sketching does that now | 00:11 |
| lcuk | just on a single frame basis | 00:12 |
| lcuk | ining | 00:12 |
| lcuk | g | 00:12 |
| lcuk | wtf are my text lines going | 00:12 |
| * lcuk kicks vnc | 00:12 | |
| alterego | Heh | 00:13 |
| * lcuk reconnects | 00:13 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, watch this video | 00:14 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah - I saw it. | 00:14 |
| lcuk | using that code, I can automagically position n900 device within a larger grid | 00:14 |
| lcuk | with 9 devices then I can make a large tiled image | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Ah - you were not actually advocating a large grid of n900s. | 00:15 |
| lcuk | run liqflow or picture viewer across it | 00:15 |
| lcuk | i am | 00:15 |
| lcuk | !!! | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | That was what I was meaning was silly. | 00:15 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: I remember this, we all tried to guess how it worked | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - awesome - but silly. | 00:15 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, it would make for an awesome show of collaboration at conference or meetup | 00:15 |
| lcuk | "working together" | 00:15 |
| lcuk | custom photo setup (or weburl..) put all the devices down | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | "together we get the job done.." | 00:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah - it would. | 00:16 |
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| * lcuk crap at coding though and makes a mess whenever he opens mouth | 00:17 | |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: watching one of your videos you say that libase / the n900 is "capable of anything you throw at it" | 00:19 |
| CosmoHill | just then I smelt my laptop burning :/ | 00:19 |
| lcuk | that is normal CosmoHill :P | 00:19 |
| lcuk | flash does take lots ofcpu | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | my powerbook does 70C full screen flash and my desktop does 70C with a 350Mhz overlock with all 4 cores maxed out | 00:20 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, eep | 00:21 |
| lcuk | I once had a t'bird AMD 1.4ghx thingie | 00:21 |
| lcuk | it would not run happily at that speed | 00:21 |
| lcuk | so I had to underclock it | 00:21 |
| CosmoHill | I mucked up fitting the processor cooler and I didn't replace the thermal pad it came with with my thermal paste | 00:21 |
| thiago | thunderbirds ran very hot | 00:22 |
| lcuk | it wasn't until much later and I passed machine to tracy that I remembered | 00:22 |
| lcuk | I had been running at 900mhz or somesuch lower value | 00:22 |
| lcuk | and her sims 2 stuff did not run | 00:22 |
| lcuk | yeah thiago | 00:22 |
| alterego | Right, bed time for me. | 00:22 |
| alterego | g'night folks | 00:22 |
| lcuk | nn alterego \o | 00:22 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSqCdT7xPY&feature=related | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | night alterego | 00:23 |
| lcuk | that the THG video CosmoHill ? | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | with the project X music | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | THG? | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 00:23 |
| lcuk | toms hardware guide | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | ahhh side scroller space shootemups | 00:24 |
| lcuk | R Type was awesome too | 00:24 |
| * lcuk should find something decent similar to play | 00:24 | |
| lcuk | any ideas ? | 00:24 |
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| CosmoHill | just found a video, dude is using a caterham 7 as a workbench.... | 00:27 |
| sofar | anyone know if all the recorded video will be available online? | 00:29 |
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| andre__ | sofar, next week | 00:31 |
| sofar | andre__: and the slides? | 00:31 |
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| sofar | I uploaded mine but I never saw them appear anywhere | 00:31 |
| sofar | ahhh nvm | 00:31 |
| sofar | now I see them | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | could anybody find out whether a DDP device could be located which includes pen driven (plus capacitive) screen? | 00:43 |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: best guess, laptops. I seem to remember one. was it a lenovo thinkpad? | 00:58 |
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| * CosmoHill is reading the MS wiki page and it throw abit by the "f**k you, I'm fully vested" quote | 01:06 | |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, I had a tablet x41, but it only worked for a couple of days in tablet mode | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i had bought it used and the cable was a bit ropey | 01:20 |
| lcuk | I managed to have ti working long enough to know the ui worked there :) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | now I have capacitive ideapad running meego | 01:21 |
| lcuk | but miss pen mode | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, wrt your thing about right mouse button presses | 01:22 |
| lcuk | I tweaked the input from strokes on liqbase, and now single finger movement works nicely, and it also picks up 2 fingers together which would make for a reasonably optimal right mouse button action | 01:23 |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: http://www.dell.com/tablet?s=biz&cs=555 - dual | 02:03 |
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| CosmoHill | people get very cranky if you try to rotate them the wrong way | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, but i have nowhere near that kind of cash | 02:08 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: cool. I did something similar. I posted the hot-rodded mtev driver to my c.OBS account. | 02:08 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, what do you mean? | 02:09 |
| lcuk | ahh yes | 02:09 |
| lcuk | sorry, been sidetracked with the ideapad | 02:09 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: the mtev driver in my c.OBS has a minor bug. I fixed it before the conference but haven't had time to post it. | 02:09 |
| gabrbedd | 4 days of being an extrovert really took all I had. :-) | 02:10 |
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| lcuk | I enjoy those times :) | 02:10 |
| gabrbedd | I do, too. I'm just now getting recoverd, though. | 02:10 |
| lcuk | reminds me of college, the it centre was a hub of activity | 02:10 |
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| gabrbedd | A few times I thought... "Maybe I should go ahead and go to bed." Then I thought, "Jeez. How many times in my life will I be able to hang out with these people?" | 02:11 |
| lcuk | at dublin and in belgium, I just wandered around the corridor track and took in all the audio :) was lovely for the senses | 02:11 |
| lcuk | me and jake did similar in manchester last week | 02:12 |
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| gabrbedd | :-) | 02:13 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: this probably reflects badly on me but all I can think of for your statement is "hookers" | 02:15 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Um, wow... I have no idea where that came from. :-p | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | "How many times in my life will I be able to hang out with these people?" | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | (I told you it would reflect badly) | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | anyway... | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 02:18 |
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| gabrbedd | Good night! | 02:18 |
| gabrbedd | missed him. :-/ | 02:18 |
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| npm | man, this really is a developer tablet -- it comes with manpages | 02:26 |
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| sofar | npm: not for long, 1.3 will be really "bare" when it comes to riff-raff files like man pages and /usr/share/doc stuff | 02:39 |
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| npm | sofar: I was saying that with some amount of joy actually. | 02:46 |
| npm | as in i can actualy do development on it | 02:46 |
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| gabrbedd | sofar: -doc packages? | 02:48 |
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| npm | now all i need to do is figure out why my upgrade to latest 1.2 nuked some gstreamer functionality which is now preventing videos or audio from playing back, (and camera from working) | 02:55 |
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| npm | ^^ in tablet, ( http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo ) | 02:56 |
| gabrbedd | npm: FWIW, there was no tablet release in 1.2. So it's possible that it's repo mix issue. The 1.2 repos are considered "stable" and the tablet UX is still under active development. | 02:58 |
| npm | the repo has updates to all the apps, qt, etc dated May 26 | 03:00 |
| npm | and overall, it's a huge improvement and looks better too | 03:00 |
| npm | however, it suffers the exact same problem as my "meegolem" system (lenovo s10-3t you saw at conference), which happened sometime after may updates to 1.2 | 03:01 |
| npm | prior to that the camera and media worked on that system but something regressed. | 03:01 |
| GAN900 | Anybody else pick up a stomach bug? | 03:01 |
| npm | and the pure tablet system suffered the same fate on upgrading to http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo | 03:02 |
| npm | GAN900: no, because i couldn't eat most of the food being served, and can drink no alchohol too (or any other grain derivatives, eaten or fermented) | 03:02 |
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| GAN900 | npm, surprisingly gluten-heavy for an event in SF. | 03:04 |
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| npm | which is why i dropped out of the party and went to pay homage to new swank lucasfilm/ILM offices | 03:04 |
| GAN900 | sjgadsby nicely found the head waiter to request an appropriate dish at the Exploratorium. | 03:05 |
| GAN900 | Dublin was a lot easier. | 03:05 |
| npm | i did too, after I got back. DawnFoster also had same meal as I | 03:05 |
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| npm | either "zypper pattern-info meego-core" lies, or the exopc meego tablets we received are noncompliant :-) | 03:09 |
| * npm shouldn't be looking a gift-compliance in the mouth | 03:09 | |
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| npm | for example mesa-libOSMesa isn't installed, nor is linux-firmware | 03:10 |
| beford | n | 03:11 |
| beford | wrong window sorry | 03:11 |
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| sofar | gabrbedd: yes, anas is splitting all the rpms into -doc(s?) subpackages for core components | 03:57 |
| sofar | npm: no worries, the man pages won't be removed, they're just becoming optional (and I need them too, often enough) | 03:58 |
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| gabrbedd | sofar: I'd heard about the split between debug symbols and sources (good idea)... and I think this is a good idea, too. | 03:59 |
| sofar | you'll see image sizes drop drastically soon | 03:59 |
| sofar | we're down from 900mb for a netbook image to something like 560mb or so | 04:00 |
| sofar | and counting :) | 04:00 |
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| gabrbedd | sofar: well, simply taking out big buck bunny goes a long way. :-) | 04:01 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: However, that movie was a good demonstration when we were eval'ing meego and showing it to our friends last year. | 04:02 |
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| sofar | gabrbedd: sample-media is getting split | 04:07 |
| sofar | you'll only get 1 minute or so of video by default | 04:07 |
| sofar | if you install sample-media-full you'll end up getting more content than 1.2 has (HD for instance) - soon | 04:08 |
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| newbie007 | what is the window manager of meego? | 04:15 |
| beford | mutter | 04:18 |
| beford | I believe :D | 04:18 |
| newbie007 | so it is gnome 3 | 04:19 |
| newbie007 | huh | 04:19 |
| berndhs | no | 04:20 |
| newbie007 | oh gnome uses mutter, not the other way around, my bad | 04:21 |
| gabrbedd | newbie007: it depends on the UX you're using. Netbook uses mutter, which is a moblin/meego fork of clutter. | 04:22 |
| gabrbedd | GNOME 3 is using clutter, not mutter. | 04:22 |
| gabrbedd | Everything else is using mcompositor for the window manager, although you'll sometimes find matchbox being used (e.g. for IVI) | 04:23 |
| gabrbedd | my bad: looks like the GNOME 3 WM is indeed called "mutter" | 04:24 |
| Robot101 | gabrbedd: that's not quite right - clutter is a 3d scene graph library - mutter is a fork of GNOME's WM metacity, to make it into a compositor using clutter | 04:24 |
| gabrbedd | however, I've heard that meego's version is quite a bit different. | 04:25 |
| berndhs | I think its not the same mutter, they diverged at some point | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | gabrbedd: the meego netbook UX used it first, and the netbook UX is a plugin to it | 04:25 |
| berndhs | and now there is a dispute about which is the real mutter | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | lol - there is no dispute | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | they have indeed diverged | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | but that's because gnome3's mutter moved forward | 04:26 |
| Robot101 | and the meego netbook one is just an old version | 04:26 |
| berndhs | so there's no dispute because one of the groups is right ? | 04:26 |
| Robot101 | no, there's no dispute because there never was one - mutter was developed by the netbook UX developers working in conjunction with developers from litl | 04:26 |
| Robot101 | and wasn't used by gnome at the time | 04:26 |
| Robot101 | that effort basically finished, but mutter was sent upstream to gnome | 04:27 |
| Robot101 | and gnome3 developers continued the work from there | 04:27 |
| berndhs | i saw soem argument about it on soem ML a while back, few weeks ago | 04:27 |
| * Robot101 shrugs | 04:27 | |
| Robot101 | the folks who wrote mutter consider gnome shell to be a continuation of that work | 04:27 |
| berndhs | it looks like it somewhat | 04:28 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: I think the ML thread had to do with Fedora not being able to maintain BOTH the upstream and meego versions of mutter. | 04:28 |
| berndhs | gabrbedd: yes that was the argument | 04:29 |
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| * Stskeeps loathes jelag | 04:30 | |
| Stskeeps | jetlag | 04:30 |
| Stskeeps | 3:30am and i'm wide awake :P | 04:30 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: fly back | 04:30 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: yup, here too, though it's at least only 2.30 here | 04:30 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: leinir: sorry bro :-( | 04:33 |
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| Stskeeps | berndhs: wouldn't mind too much living in SF | 04:33 |
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| berndhs | its all right, i lived in Fremont for the better part of a year | 04:34 |
| leinir | gabrbedd: ah well, it'll get better, just takes a while :) | 04:34 |
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| Stskeeps | well at least i can wake up early and make coffee for my wife ;) | 04:36 |
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| berndhs | housing cost in SF proper is kinda steep | 04:37 |
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| npm | hi leinir! | 06:32 |
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| GAN900 | berndhs, understatement. | 07:26 |
| Jay_BEE | hi | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | hi Jay_BEE | 07:27 |
| * Jay_BEE opens bugs.meego.com | 07:30 | |
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| * Stskeeps likes to see debugsource on Trunk:Testing | 07:30 | |
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| maggie | hi I get this error while creating image with mic "/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic no such file" I made sure that mic-checkalldeps ran fine ,,,, can somebody help | 07:39 |
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| beford | what distro are you using maggie | 07:45 |
| maggie | opensuse 11.2 | 07:45 |
| maggie | http://pastie.org/1991591 here is the complete log | 07:45 |
| gabrbedd | maggie: are you using --pkgmgr=yum ?? | 07:46 |
| maggie | no | 07:46 |
| gabrbedd | maggie: try it. Last I checked, it's pretty much required in order for things to work. | 07:47 |
| maggie | gabrbedd: I tried it it says mic-image-creator: error: no such option: --pkgmgr | 07:47 |
| beford | also I think your mic versions is a bit outdated | 07:47 |
| gabrbedd | just a sec... let me check the switch. | 07:47 |
| beford | MIC2 version: 0.22.13 | 07:47 |
| beford | --pkgmgr=PKGMGR Specify a package manager, the available package | 07:49 |
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| gabrbedd | maggie: Yep, what beford said. You should probably grab a more recent mic2 and use that switch. I'm using 0.24.8 | 07:50 |
| * Stskeeps starts the laborious task of fixing meego ARM packages in trunk:testing | 07:50 | |
| maggie | @gabrbedd let me try | 07:50 |
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| gabrbedd | Night all! | 07:51 |
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| maggie | beford : I tried with --pkgmgr =yum option after updating my mic I still get this error Installed total of 109 packages to bootstrap located in /var/cache/meego-bootstrap./bin/cp: cannot create directory `/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages': No such file or directory | 07:56 |
| beford | care to show the complete log again | 07:57 |
| maggie | http://pastie.org/1991622 | 07:58 |
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| beford | well it seems like its failing to fetch some repos and maybe that's why the bootstrap setup fails | 08:00 |
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| beford | or is just the key? | 08:00 |
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| maggie | I oBS repositoies has no keys.. | 08:03 |
| maggie | m using a local OBS which has no keys and on other machine the same server works just fine | 08:03 |
| maggie | for boot straaping do I need to include packages like mic2 , isomd5sum etc in my kickstart? | 08:04 |
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| beford | well it seems like your local repo is missing those packages | 08:06 |
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| beford | you don't need those in the kickstart | 08:07 |
| maggie | but with a different version of mic the same repo is able to create packages , well let me try adding those to my repo | 08:07 |
| beford | maybe you were not using bootstrap before try --bootstrap=0 | 08:08 |
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| maggie | it just says Error: Please specify a workable bootstrap env and exits | 08:10 |
| maggie | moreover I checked python-zypp is not aviavlble on meego repository , I tried creating image using the ks file provided at the meego server without any chanegs ,, it gave the same result | 08:13 |
| beford | maggie, try --run-mode=0 | 08:14 |
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| maggie | Error: For non-Fedora and non-MeeGo systems, run mode must be 1 :( | 08:16 |
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| beford | oh well add those packages to your repo | 08:17 |
| beford | those are needed to create the bootstrap environment | 08:17 |
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| beford | you could also create it with the meego repo and just use that bootstrap environment I believe | 08:18 |
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| beford | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Use_Bootstrap | 08:18 |
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| maggie | i get the same with meego repo , got similar errors let me try agai | 08:18 |
| maggie | coz python-zypp is not presentr in meego-1.1 repos | 08:19 |
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| karthee | Hey guys...I m beginner in meego .. I want to start with meego. Can some one advice which hardware should I buy ? other than nokia N900 ?? | 08:44 |
| maggie | Karthee u can try on beagle board | 08:45 |
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| maggie | or any intel atom based board | 08:45 |
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| karthee | maggie: okay .. i ve never heard of beagle board. Just googling it .. | 08:46 |
| maggie | Its an omap3530 based baord from TI , its inexpensive and gud for testing | 08:47 |
| karthee | maggie: oh wow .. Will it require electronics knowledge ?? I m from computers background .. | 08:47 |
| karthee | i mean software** backgroud | 08:48 |
| maggie | not much | 08:48 |
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| maggie | the gud things is excellenrt help is avaible online for the same . just do the connection write image in sdcard and boot | 08:48 |
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| karthee | I ll order it right now .. Hope its avaliable in my country.. | 08:49 |
| karthee | maggie: you have any links where I can read about how to do connections and all and install meego in beagle board ? | 08:51 |
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| beford | karthee, I think Alison_Chaiken is listing the compatible boards somewhere on the Meego wiki, check there | 08:52 |
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| maggie | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch | 08:52 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | http://wiki.meego.com/In-vehicle#MeeGo_IVI_Development_Boards | 08:53 |
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| Venemo | good morning guys :) | 08:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Please add more! Or just make corrections. | 08:53 |
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| beford | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices#Developer_Boards | 08:54 |
| Alison_Chaiken | beford, the list at the latter URL is a bit short! | 08:55 |
| beford | yea just noticed hehe | 08:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I suppose I could put the list I made at that URL instead of on the IVI page . . . hmm. | 08:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hard to know where wiki content belongs. | 08:56 |
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| bkalinga | Currently i am using MeeGo 1.2 Netbook image | 09:39 |
| bkalinga | VKB is not launching when i click on any text field | 09:39 |
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| Termana | morning | 11:03 |
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| Jupaja | Morning | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 11:16 |
| Jupaja | one easy question is the Tegra 2 now full supported i 1.2? :S | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jupaja: armv7hl supports tegra2's vfpv3-d16's yes | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | you still need to get drivers for armv7hl from your hardware vendor and need to do a workaround in glibc (easy) though | 11:17 |
| Jupaja | okey so will try it THX :D | 11:18 |
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| bkalinga | meego-sdk-assistant | 11:22 |
| bkalinga | meego-sdk-assistant: error while loading shared libraries: libQtHelp.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 11:23 |
| bkalinga | how to resolve this | 11:23 |
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| MauriceK | bkalinga: hm... it should be part of the build. can you check the dependencies of assistant and where it finds the other libs? | 11:28 |
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| bkalinga | ldd /usr/bin/meego-sdk-assistant | 11:30 |
| bkalinga | libQtHelp.so.4 => not found | 11:30 |
| bkalinga | libQtWebKit.so.4 => not found | 11:30 |
| bkalinga | libQtSql.so.4 => not found | 11:30 |
| karthee | bkalinga yum whatprovides | 11:32 |
| eg81 | bkalinga: sudo apt-get install libqt4-help libqtwebkit4 libqt4-sql ? | 11:32 |
| eg81 | depends on which platform you are right now :) | 11:33 |
| bkalinga | karthee: i did not get you | 11:33 |
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| bkalinga | eg81: i am using Ubuntu 10.10 as host | 11:34 |
| bkalinga | just wanted to know if i install it on the Host system then will meego-sdk-assistant pick it correctly? | 11:35 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, remembering your "bullshit bug" slide from your talk and the threat of "sidestepping program management" - as I'm seeing enough such bug reports, how can I make sure that PM is *not* bypassed? Any recommendations what to do with such requests and how to identify who's deciding what? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: ask if the PM has agreed on this | 11:37 |
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| eg81 | bkalinga: yes, it will do; | 11:37 |
| bkalinga | ok let me try then | 11:37 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, okay. I assume that the likely followup question will then be "How can I find out who is the PM" | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: then you ask on meego-pm ;) | 11:37 |
| andre__ | hehe | 11:37 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, does your criticism refer only to *adding* new modules/packages, or also to updating them? | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: the problem is usually only visible in release freeze times | 11:38 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, so if versions just get bumped in 1.3 there's no issue and anybody can do whatever s/he wants? | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: in invasive changes phase it's free for all to keep packages updated, generally | 11:40 |
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| andre__ | I see | 11:40 |
| andre__ | thanks! | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: better that than becoming maemo | 11:40 |
| andre__ | hehe | 11:40 |
| andre__ | true | 11:40 |
| bkalinga | sudo apt-get install libqtwebkit4 | 11:41 |
| bkalinga | E: Couldn't find package libqtwebkit4 | 11:41 |
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| pebcak | apt-cache search webkit | 11:42 |
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| bkalinga | i think i need to install this libqt4-webkit | 11:43 |
| bkalinga | pebcak: http://pastebin.com/c58gY6qW | 11:45 |
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| pebcak | bkalinga help yourself | 11:45 |
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| bkalinga | actually got confused with meego-sdk-libqt4-webkit - Qt 4 WebKit module | 11:46 |
| bkalinga | and libqt4-webkit - Qt 4 WebKit module | 11:46 |
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| bkalinga | error in : /usr/bin/meego-sdk-assistant http://pastebin.com/LY9D34S0 | 11:49 |
| bkalinga | after resolving all dependency | 11:50 |
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| demental | hi meego users. Do you know how I can get my AL-C900 printer work with meego netbook ? | 11:54 |
| demental | many epson printers are listed, but none seem to match AL-C900 | 11:55 |
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| eg81 | demental: http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/ ? | 12:01 |
| demental | Which distribution should I get ? | 12:02 |
| demental | rpm / fedora 10 ? | 12:02 |
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| pebcak | too old | 12:04 |
| rcherian | hi I am using pinetrail images . I get the screensaver ( locked ) state. it does not recognise my mouse events.. does anyone know why ? | 12:04 |
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| bkalinga | rcherian: if u press and hold on that Lock ...does it change to blue color? | 12:21 |
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| rcherian | bkalinga, i dont see any mouse pointer and it does not work if i tap using my finger to screen | 12:24 |
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| bkalinga | sorry i can't help..mine was the observation in QEMU | 12:25 |
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| leinir | i guess we're finding out why the meego conf didn't have any announcements - they're all happening at computex ;) | 12:38 |
| Ford_Prefect | Hey folks. Anyone know how I can wipe out cached rpms on the server before triggering a rebuild? | 12:38 |
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| w00t_ | Ford_Prefect: using osc? you want --clean | 12:39 |
| w00t_ | probably | 12:39 |
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| Ford_Prefect | w00t_: osc rebuild doesn't have a --clean, and aiui osc build (which does have a --clean) is for local builds only? | 12:41 |
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| smoku | Ford_Prefect: the server always create a clean environment for each build, so you will always have fresh setup directly from OBS imported or built repos. | 13:18 |
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| Ford_Prefect | smoku: I had alsa-lib 1.0.24.1 in my repo, removed it, but pulseaudio in my repo is still using 1.0.24.1 even though 1.0.23 is the latest otherwise | 13:23 |
| smoku | Ford_Prefect: i guess 1.0.24.1 is in the main repo you build for | 13:26 |
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| smoku | Ford_Prefect: if your package needs specific alsa-libs version it's best to require <= | 13:26 |
| Ford_Prefect | Nah, it doesn't require that specific alsa-lib version, but afaict, the main repo doesn't actually have 1.0.24.1 | 13:27 |
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| alterego | I think we're going to need a new irc channel for community hardware discussions. | 13:37 |
| alterego | twitter isn't amazingly effective, unless we use a hashtag .. | 13:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Community hardware? | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean like trying to find hardware meego can run on? | 13:41 |
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| leinir | alterego: yeah, sounds like a good plan :) | 13:41 |
| alterego | No, | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: hacking existing hw? | 13:42 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: no, community driven hardware building | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Do you have a large slice of a million dollars? | 13:42 |
| * Jaffa looks to the Pandora at how successful that was... | 13:42 | |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: well, I don't know ;) | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | You need a large slice of a million dollars. If you only make a few, then even neglecting development costs, you will struggle to meet the cost of a purchased commercial device, while being larger and heavier. | 13:43 |
| alterego | I mean: I don't, no. | 13:43 |
| alterego | You sound like DocScrutinizer :P | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And you're quite likely to screw up the first dozen boards. This means you need to pay for the board - at least a few hundred dollars in ones - the components for that board - the assembly of that board. | 13:44 |
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| leinir | SpeedEvil: Well, let me put it this way - the first project is fronted by people who are very well versed in creating consumer-targeted devices ;) | 13:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | This can easily hit a thousand dollars, and then you find that you've miswired something, and it fries itself on boot. You think you've found out what it was, only to have the next one (and thousand dollars) not boot as you've connected the ROM backwards. | 13:45 |
| alterego | Strangly enough, you aren't the only one that knows about fabrication processes :P | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Fair enough. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Just that assuming that you can get it working first time, when actual professionals doing this don't, is fairly questionable. | 13:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | And I want community open source hardware to work - it's just realy, really hard for mobile phone class devices. | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: /join ##meegoNewHW | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | /join ##meegoNewHW | 13:47 |
| leinir | hmm... wouldn't #meego-NewHW make more sense, considering the way the other channels are named? | 13:50 |
| * MohammadAG agrees | 13:51 | |
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| smoku | or -openhw | 13:53 |
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| alterego | I prefer #meego-hard | 13:58 |
| * alterego chuckles | 13:58 | |
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| leinir | *giggles* Actually yes, i kinda like that too - though perhaps the name isn't clear enough, it has a sort of ring to it ;) | 14:05 |
| bkalinga | MInputContext: unable to create D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus: Connection refused | 14:08 |
| bkalinga | while trying to debug Qt application with a line edit from Qt Creator | 14:09 |
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| * leinir paints that bike-shed pink and drizzles it with spangly things! "Wooh, pretty!" ;) | 14:12 | |
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| leinir | lcuk: uhm... /kick or /ban or /kickban? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | leinir, that only works if I am /op on channel | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | historically I have not been op on my own channel for a long time | 14:15 |
| leinir | right | 14:15 |
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| jeremiah_ | Who should I contact about keeping ARM v7 softfloat builds around in OBS? | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_: I think that is a question for #meego-arm | 15:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Okay, I'll ask there. :-) | 15:34 |
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| Sage_ | http://www.netbooknews.com/26824/asus-eee-pc-x101-with-meego-hands-on-video/ | 16:19 |
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| gabrbedd | Netbook build, eh? | 16:27 |
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| kallam | some news says that prices start at $199. | 16:32 |
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| * Jaffa bets most'll get Ubuntu PDQ. | 16:33 | |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, if this is sold in the consumer channel, I bet you are wrong. in my experiences with computer people, they do not reinstall the basic OS that comes with the device | 16:36 |
| lcuk | non-computer people * | 16:36 |
| lcuk | a completely different question is whether the netbook OS can give a nice experience in the store that they actually purchase the machines | 16:37 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Whenever I would show the Netbook UX to friends (when getting started with MeeGo)... they were typically impressed with the raw speed of doing simple things. | 16:39 |
| gabrbedd | ...like loading facebook pages. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | no wonder chrome is popular ;) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | yeah gabrbedd there are some nice elements to it | 16:39 |
| lcuk | and the kinds of usecases developers put them under is different | 16:39 |
| lcuk | to how they use it | 16:39 |
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| gabrbedd | Actually, I liked the Netbook UX, too. I just wish it was more touch-friendly. | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Unfortunately, most consumers seem to consider Linux netbooks a dead end, whatever the OS :-( | 16:41 |
| gabrbedd | I wish I could still use it... but we've moved to Tablet UX and I have to eat my own dogfood. | 16:41 |
| lcuk | my gripes with it are relatively minor and brainjarring UX stutters | 16:41 |
| lcuk | alt-tab animation and ordering, windows not quite being fullscreen, panels grid being useless for finding info | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | Menu/title bar UX is a) inconsistent with the home screen and b) requires UI changes in even the most trivial Linux software :-( | 16:42 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, of course | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | That reminds me, need to install the latest 2011-05-27 tablet image on my Exo | 16:42 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, people do not buy computers based on operating systems, they buy them based on whether they can do the same things as their friends | 16:42 |
| gabrbedd | Jaffa: You mean apps that have File | Edit | Tools | Help ?? | 16:43 |
| lcuk | ie, lot of apple fan friends - they buy apple | 16:43 |
| lcuk | keeping up with the joneses" | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | give them a use case and experience that is only on linux | 16:43 |
| lcuk | and after a while they will mostly have linux | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Seen the return reports, consumer reviews & press for the Linux netbooks to date? | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | that is because the linux machines do not offer anything more to do - and if anything less because they cannot do same as the other machines around them | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk Jaffa - In addition, the "Ubuntu Netbook Remix" was... well... not very good. | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | gabrbedd: 10.04 onwards seem quite good to me | 16:47 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Agreed. But I don't think the state of the Netbook UX when it was "stabilised" will change that. | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | Jaffa: Yes, Unity is a big improvement. But I'm pretty sure that most of the "high return rates" are from the "remix" time-frame. | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | gabrbedd: Most of them were with the shitty own UIs, like on the Eee IIRC | 16:48 |
| lcuk | well are there any features *any* of the ux offers that is outstanding? | 16:48 |
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| chouchoune | gabrbedd: I don't like Unity, I prefer Gnome 2 | 16:49 |
| lcuk | linux desktop/netbook can try to be like windows, it can be fancy and look the part and stuff | 16:49 |
| chouchoune | and Gnome 3 is awesome comparing to Unity | 16:49 |
| lcuk | but when your mates come round, what do you show them? that it looks like windows? | 16:49 |
| lcuk | what are the defining features of the computer you are running? | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed. The Netbook UX's homescreen was very nice, but once you get outside it... | 16:49 |
| visz | pfft | 16:50 |
| visz | fancy window managers are for poofs | 16:50 |
| visz | xmonad ftw | 16:50 |
| mihero | better irssi usability then in windows:) | 16:50 |
| lcuk | I had to explain to a group of doctors why they couldn't have my calendar on their machines last week | 16:50 |
| lcuk | if I could have sold them machines with it on, and fully integrated they would have bought them there and then. | 16:51 |
| lcuk | I know what defining features I would want on MeeGo based machines | 16:51 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I don't think they'd buy 200gbp machines to run a calendar on. The cost/benefit analysis would soon fall apart. | 16:52 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, ould not buy it for that alone | 16:53 |
| lcuk | the software is only 1 tiny part | 16:53 |
| visz | heh, looks like i have 26 terminal windows open currently | 16:53 |
| lcuk | it is connecting the household and all the *data* filled in by family that makes it important | 16:53 |
| visz | could not keep them in order with anything else than a tiling window manager | 16:53 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, a calendar is not just an app you use once and forget | 16:54 |
| lcuk | it is something daily and updating | 16:54 |
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| berndhs | people do that? keep track of which family members do what, on which days ? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | berndhs, sure | 16:55 |
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| berndhs | in my family we left them alone :) | 16:55 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg | 16:55 |
| lcuk | berndhs, do you have kids? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | a wife? | 16:55 |
| berndhs | I was a kid once, surprisingly :) | 16:55 |
| lcuk | simple day to day tasks | 16:55 |
| berndhs | parents didnt order me around on a schedule | 16:56 |
| lcuk | berndhs, look how it is used in our case | 16:56 |
| thp | Jaffa: is attitude written in python? | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | simple reminders of school times and exams and general things you put on a wall calendar | 16:57 |
| berndhs | yes i'm just surprised that families function that way | 16:57 |
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| thp | Jaffa: (or more precisely, is the QML "port" still having a Python backend or is it using C++ as the backend?)( | 16:57 |
| lcuk | berndhs, I spent 10 years talking to people who could not use computers | 16:57 |
| lcuk | who found them daunting | 16:57 |
| berndhs | right, but we didnt do that on paper either | 16:57 |
| lcuk | this kind of app removes any of the computerisms from it | 16:57 |
| berndhs | not in a family-global sense | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | thp: It's entirely QML apart from the C++ launcher | 16:57 |
| lcuk | how did your mum know when you were in/out of school? | 16:58 |
| berndhs | sure, more or less | 16:58 |
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| berndhs | but parents didnt drive me to school, I just went myself | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | who said about driving to school? | 16:58 |
| berndhs | and after, I went home | 16:58 |
| berndhs | parents didnt stress about when I went and came back | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | ? i never said they did | 16:59 |
| berndhs | it looks like it though | 16:59 |
| lcuk | but on the calendar are the dates of exams and school holidays etc? | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | the times when things are different to norm | 16:59 |
| lcuk | or going to places etc | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | nm anyway i got things to do re n900-de | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | thp: http://gitorious.org/attitude/attitude (just pushed latest update) | 16:59 |
| thp | Jaffa: well for your minimization problem - you could just write a simple qobject subclass with one property and set that according to window state changes of your main widget (either QMainWindow or QDeclarativeView) | 17:00 |
| thp | erm s/minimization/"in foreground"/ | 17:00 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Does the main widget get the appropriate state changes on Maemo (and, preferably, Symbian)? I know Gtk+ doesn't single background windows as being minimised, so had to go off "focus" in the past | 17:03 |
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| thp | Jaffa: yep, it does, although maemo 5 is a bit different compared to all the others | 17:04 |
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| thp | let me look up the code | 17:04 |
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| thp | Jaffa: the main window gets an event (::event(QEvent *event)) on show/hide | 17:05 |
| thp | the ->type() of the event is QEvent::Leave and QEvent::WindowDecativate on leave and QEvent::Enter and QEvent::WindowActivate on re-activation | 17:06 |
| thp | you need both to support symbian and maemo, although I'm not sure which is for which | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | Cool. Is there some sample code on the internetz? | 17:07 |
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| thp | let me copypasta it | 17:08 |
| thp | Jaffa: http://pastebin.com/tTSWt3aq | 17:09 |
| thp | Jaffa: adding this to the QmlApplicationViewer class that's created by Qt Creator and acting accordingly should do the trick | 17:10 |
| thp | Jaffa: for getting this into QML, a simple QObject subclass with a single NOTIFYable property should do the trick. | 17:11 |
| thp | + you can expose an instance of that object using e.g. setContextProperty() | 17:11 |
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| thp | Jaffa: i'll send a patch | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Wow, cool. Much appreciated :-) | 17:24 |
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| gabrbedd | I have a couple btrfs issues (one crash, one incompatibility). Should I report those on BMC or upstream? | 17:27 |
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| lbt | gabrbedd: BMC | 17:28 |
| lbt | then the maintainer should push the bug upstream - though you could help | 17:28 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: thanks, and welcome back! | 17:29 |
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| lbt | np | 17:29 |
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| delac | can anyone tell me why mad-admin on SDK 1.2 doesnt seem to find targets for 1.2 (only 1.1.2 or older)? | 17:33 |
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| eg81 | delac: check if this target exists in /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/madde.conf.d/ | 17:36 |
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| delac | eg81: well, for me it is /usr/lib/madde/linux-x86_64/cache/madde.conf.d/ and the folder contains .conf files for all of the older targets, but nothing for 1.2 or newer | 17:40 |
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| eg81 | delac: it seems that MeeGoSDKMaintenanceTool should be used to add additional target (it will install additional madde configuration file) | 17:49 |
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| delac | eg81: yes, I was coming to the same conclusion. But why? Why don't they just update the repository to include 1.2 too? | 17:50 |
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| eg81 | delac: as I know madde configurations came from madde-configurations package (and git repo), but I found that's not maintained anymore | 17:53 |
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| delac | eg81: hmm? are they going to get rid of madde? | 17:54 |
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| eg81 | delac: I don't know :| | 18:03 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Thanks - working wonderfully. | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | thp: Will just have to remember to reapply the patch if qmlapplicationviewer.* gets overwritten in a future SDK update | 18:16 |
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| gabrbedd | What package is providing the screenshot applet in N900-DE ? | 18:17 |
| andre__ | gosh. | 18:17 |
| andre__ | "Further revision were discussed among related stakeholders through internal mails or meetings. I don't think *ALL* decisions needs to be made in public ways." | 18:17 |
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| andre__ | Am I the only one screaming when reading this? | 18:17 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 18:18 | |
| thp | Jaffa: why they put qmlapplicationviewer into every project is beyond me, anyway. either it should go into qt itself or a supporting library. | 18:18 |
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| dm8tbr | f*ck yeah, openness my behind | 18:18 |
| thp | one who wants to customize it can still subclass | 18:19 |
| andre__ | I'd love to lart some people now. | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: URL? | 18:19 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, latest two posts on meego-qa@ | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, lovely | 18:20 |
| andre__ | feel very free to chime in. | 18:20 |
| andre__ | I won't send further mail today, my wording would probably be rather unproductive | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | Ironic that it's intended to "involve all meego community users" (AFAICT) | 18:23 |
| * Jaffa would respond but isn't subscribed to -qa. Something along the lines of "Internal meetings at Intel? bugs.meego.com is not Intel's to do with as it pleases; 'internal' meetings for BMC would be on #meego-meeting on IRC or on this mailing list" | 18:25 | |
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| andre__ | Jaffa, subscribe and unsubscribe again. ;-) | 18:25 |
| andre__ | really, I sometimes feel like I can use any backing. It's not the first time. :-/ | 18:26 |
| delac | can anyone tell me if it might be bad thing to have more than one swap partition on single disk? (I'm trying to install Meego and it decided to add another swap even though the disk already has one) | 18:26 |
| lcuk | andre__, I see it as counter productive to have to pre check every single decision, however I could also see a "we had a meeting and set out these key points and decisions, please speak up now to discuss further or alter their scope" etc | 18:27 |
| lcuk | since we know that when you get together talking you can expand on things in much the same way we can here on irc | 18:28 |
| lcuk | actively saying "hold on, we are in the office, we cannot talk about this without typing every word" | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Anyway of getting the appropriate in-response-to/references headers when you haven't got the original? | 18:28 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, shall I forward an email to you? | 18:29 |
| andre__ | lcuk, I agree. Not every single decision. But the constant addition of new fields to Bugzilla makes it extremely unproductive to me. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | I understand entirely | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | there should be a middle ground area where the office and the community can forward and advance topics properly | 18:30 |
| andre__ | lcuk, but having *no* involvement of "office-outsiders" does not help either. I'm not against "pre-meetings". But such decisions that affect every bugzilla user are a bit heavier to me | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | andre__, that is my point, now that such a meeting has happened, had it been put up onto the ML with "we think this would be a good idea and if nobody speaks will give it a go" | 18:31 |
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| Jaffa | andre__: Yeah, if you could bounce it, that'd be appreciated | 18:31 |
| lcuk | so now, you are speaking up | 18:31 |
| lcuk | etc | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Except it's been implemented *before* that check, AFAICT? | 18:31 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, sent | 18:31 |
| lcuk | i think so Jaffa | 18:31 |
| lcuk | or on its way to being | 18:31 |
| gabrbedd | delac: having more than one swap partition should be no big deal. | 18:31 |
| andre__ | lcuk, yeah, "silence means compliance" is also what I do. but at least I announce it. ;-) | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - were these discussors ones that _actually_use_bugzilla_a_lot_ | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: ...and been published as a fait accompli; without asking for the feedback | 18:32 |
| delac | gabrbedd: deleted it already :) | 18:32 |
| gabrbedd | delac: That'll work, too. :-) | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise - their feelings will be almost meaningless, and they will tend to agree with reasonable suggestions from the suggestor. | 18:32 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, IDK, that is the feeling after a quick read over the ML thread and andre__ who usually has sensible head about such things ;) | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed | 18:32 |
| delac | but tell me, what is this installation phase: "Boot loader operating system list" | 18:32 |
| delac | it has both Meego and "Other" listed | 18:33 |
| andre__ | lcuk, I hope my postings there are not too heated. If they are please tell me... :-/ | 18:33 |
| delac | I think the other is my other Distro | 18:33 |
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| DawnFoster | Ugh. I'll to them *again* | 18:33 |
| delac | there is a check box on each and I can select either one | 18:33 |
| delac | but not both | 18:34 |
| DawnFoster | oops I'll *talk* to them *again* | 18:34 |
| lcuk | andre__, see the printout on my wall: http://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg | 18:34 |
| delac | what happends if I select either one? | 18:34 |
| lcuk | I look there whenever I am sending emails :) | 18:34 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, haha. yeah, sometimes I do wait for one day to answer some emails :) | 18:34 |
| * lcuk learning to write more carefully :) | 18:35 | |
| gabrbedd | delac: IIRC, it doesn't do anything no matter what you select. It'll just plain boot MeeGo. | 18:35 |
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| delac | gabrbedd: ... | 18:36 |
| gabrbedd | delac: But if "Other" is listed, it will try to boot the "other" OS that's on disk. | 18:36 |
| alterego | Okay, played with wetab os, now gonna try ubuntu 11.04 on the exo | 18:36 |
| delac | gabrbedd: but doesnt succeed? | 18:36 |
| andre__ | DawnFoster: if you have any comments on escalating properly... but Carsten already told me to file a bug against Community processes if all goes wrong. I just wonder when I will make the decision that "all went wrong and won't change soon" ;-) | 18:37 |
| gabrbedd | delac: What doesn't succeed? | 18:37 |
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| delac | gabrbedd: booting of the other distro | 18:37 |
| delac | gabrbedd: I thought you said it makes no difference | 18:37 |
| DawnFoster | andre__: I just emailed the guy who works for imad who manages the whole QA / release teams at Intel | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thank you | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | andre__: he gets open source | 18:38 |
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| andre__ | DawnFoster, thanks | 18:38 |
| gabrbedd | delac: That screen in the installer is supposed to let you set the DEFAULT os to boot. | 18:38 |
| * andre__ off for the rest of the evening | 18:38 | |
| DawnFoster | I've been trying to get them some better training for a while | 18:38 |
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| DawnFoster | and we need to stop these things from happening | 18:38 |
| gabrbedd | delac: In reality, it does nothing -- unless someone has fixed that bug. | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we should have some project wide training material .. like "how to be a meego developer" | 18:38 |
| delac | gabrbedd: ok | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | with tools info, behaviour, ways to operate, etc | 18:39 |
| gabrbedd | delac: But when you boot the device, you should have an opportunity to select which os to boot. | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | so any company can learn | 18:39 |
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| gabrbedd | delac: but you have to act fast... because the timeout it quick. | 18:39 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: yeah, that would be a good start | 18:40 |
| * Stskeeps mails himself with that todo | 18:40 | |
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| DawnFoster | we also have internal email training with things like: you have to use an intel email address or disclaimer to make affiliation with Intel clear | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | along with more general open source best practices | 18:41 |
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| alterego | Though, there was a floor found in that strategy DawnFoster | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 18:42 |
| alterego | What happens if you leave Intel? As a fair few Nokians are that still want to maintain their work in MeeGo? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: that one is simple actually, i've seen a few people do that | 18:42 |
| w00t_ | you change your email address | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | they changed their meego.com email | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | and bugzilla follows | 18:43 |
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| alterego | I suppose the past few months have been a good test for that :D | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | of course this requires you haven't been marched out the door but .. ;) | 18:43 |
| alterego | My living room is freezing .. | 18:44 |
| alterego | And it's pissing it down with rain outside. | 18:44 |
| alterego | (welcome back to Britain Tom) | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | it's actually warmer here than in SF | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | 29 C tomorrow here | 18:45 |
| * w00t_ got massively sunburned in SF | 18:47 | |
| Stskeeps | how? you were inside hacking all the time | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:47 |
| w00t_ | not after the conference ended I wasn't | 18:47 |
| alterego | Heh, you weren't the only one, seemed like I was the only one that went outside that remembed sun cream :P | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: ah | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i remembered after first day | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:47 |
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| w00t_ | I even have photographic proof I got outside: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/252488_2098400699414_1227292849_32507200_5802839_n.jpg | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | frying like a lobster, it looks like | 18:49 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 18:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:49 |
| alterego | I bought a hdmi c -> hdmi a, adapter yesterday | 18:50 |
| alterego | Had the Exo plugged into my HDTV :) | 18:50 |
| alterego | If only the Exo had an ethernet port | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | how did you get hdmi working? | 18:50 |
| alterego | wetab os | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:50 |
| alterego | But | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | i found the sources for the chronotel stuff people mentioned | 18:51 |
| alterego | You just need the firmware from wetab to get it working in meego tablet | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:51 |
| alterego | http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/12074-hdmi-ausgang/ | 18:51 |
| thp | alterego: wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC | 18:51 |
| thp | then scroll down to the hardware section | 18:51 |
| * Stskeeps ponders where to put the exopc in his apartment | 18:51 | |
| alterego | I'm going to nail mine to the shower cubicle wall | 18:52 |
| lcuk | w00t_, that is a photoshop! | 18:52 |
| lcuk | no way were you really outside :P | 18:52 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | thp: The 20110527 image for the ExoPC hangs on "hci0 timeout" during install for me :-( | 18:52 |
| thp | Jaffa: hmm works great for me. i'm always booting it from usb, though | 18:53 |
| * Jaffa will try on another stick | 18:53 | |
| thp | Jaffa: meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.1.20110525.84.img dd'd to the usb directly (/dev/sdX) | 18:53 |
| padovan | Jaffa: hangs on hci0 timeout doesn't makes sense. It's only an error message for bluetooth. | 18:54 |
| padovan | Jaffa: it doesn't affect the rest of the kernel | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | padovan: It loops, doesn't go any further and repeatedly logs that line. Didn't claim it made sense ;-) | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | thp: I'm trying meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.4.0.20110527.2.img (dd'd directly to the stick) | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | thp: ...from http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 18:54 |
| alterego | Jaffa: sounds like it hangs _after_ the hci timeout | 18:54 |
| alterego | So it could kind of be anything | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Well, true. s/on/after/ :-p | 18:55 |
| alterego | ubuntu runs quite smoothly on the exo | 18:55 |
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| * alterego looks online for compact usb or bluetooth keyboards. | 18:58 | |
| * Stskeeps really wouldn't mind some kind of digital glue for his devices to talk together | 18:58 | |
| alterego | Think I'd prefer USB | 18:58 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I've been toying with that kind of stuff (in my mind) | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrathin-bluetooth-slide-out-keyboard-hard-case-for-apple-iphone-4-black-65669 | 18:59 |
| alterego | And w00t_'s sync stuff shows how cool it could be ;) | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | is neat! | 18:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, bug 440 | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I've got a Lenovo N5901 (wireless with non-BT USB dongle); works really nicely on my media PC for stuff beyond the StreamZap | 18:59 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, VERI WONTFIX, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 18:59 |
| lcuk | digital glue | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: little higher level | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:00 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, prod and poke the folks for wifi direct then instead | 19:02 |
| lcuk | bug 4729 | 19:03 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4729 enh, Undecided, ---, prahlad.gokul, INDE, [FEA] WiFi Direct (WLAN P2P) Support | 19:03 |
| lcuk | more digital glue (encrypted this time) | 19:03 |
| alterego | "Digital Glue" that's what my gf calls it .. | 19:03 |
| alterego | But she does think I'm a bit like a robot | 19:03 |
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| * SpeedEvil thinks of alterego now as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygN8H3kI1qE | 19:04 | |
| alterego | ubuntu 11.04 installed | 19:04 |
| alterego | Lets see how crap this unity stuff is then | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a pity 'wifi direct' in general kills battery life. | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | bugs.meego.com server is down | 19:20 |
| lcuk | but handily asks you to file a bug on bugs.meego.com if it persists | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | Sorry, it looks like our servers are having trouble! | 19:20 |
| lcuk | Please try your request again or use the links below to report the issue. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | Submit a bug! | 19:20 |
| lcuk | If this error happens repeatedly, please submit a bug. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Community%20Infrastructure | 19:20 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: that's how I avoid bugs :) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | andre__, what is the easieest way to see todays bug? | 19:24 |
| lcuk | bugs | 19:24 |
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| * lcuk has a feeling I have asked before | 19:24 | |
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| lcuk | alterego, CosmoHill - my mentioning of needing vkb for one purpose, I have tracy filling in and tagging stuff, the vkb is needed because the real keyboard is now not typing 1qa keys :S | 19:25 |
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| alterego | lcuk: yeah, vkb for "special" symbols is a must | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | alterego, this is to write tag names with an a in them mostly | 19:28 |
| lcuk | it seems to be software related because the keys work again after reboot | 19:28 |
| alterego | Oh, I thought we were talking about another conversation :P | 19:29 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Do you have the N900 DE installed? Can you do me a favor? | 19:29 |
| rakshasa_ | I installed meego today after much deliberation and straight away connman refused to connect to Ad Hoc network setup on a different latop | 19:29 |
| alterego | rakshasa_: adhoc networking doesn't work under meego currently | 19:30 |
| rakshasa_ | and it refuses to recognise my usb cdma modem | 19:30 |
| alterego | That I do not know about :) | 19:30 |
| rakshasa_ | so is there any way to connect | 19:30 |
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| rakshasa_ | and it doesn't play nice with usb modem either .. | 19:31 |
| rakshasa_ | so have i got any option? | 19:31 |
| alterego | What are you running this on? | 19:31 |
| rakshasa_ | intel n550 netbook(samsung n148) | 19:31 |
| alterego | ethernet? :) | 19:32 |
| rakshasa_ | cross over ?? | 19:32 |
| alterego | Yes | 19:32 |
| alterego | Though most modern nics can auto switch rather than using a cross over | 19:32 |
| rakshasa_ | really | 19:32 |
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| rakshasa_ | ohh that was what keeping me off | 19:32 |
| rakshasa_ | thanks | 19:32 |
| rakshasa_ | off i go | 19:33 |
| rakshasa_ | hey but wait.. | 19:33 |
| rakshasa_ | can't I have some wireless option? | 19:33 |
| alterego | Well, if you know how you can setup the wifi connection without connman manually from the console. | 19:34 |
| alterego | But I can't really direct you in that regard. | 19:34 |
| rakshasa_ | hmmm.. | 19:34 |
| rakshasa_ | ok I can try | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, you could, but it is not doing much today | 19:37 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Is there a screenshot util? I think it's under Settings -> Debug or Settings -> Devel or something. | 19:38 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, ECANNOTCLICK | 19:38 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: :-) | 19:38 |
| lcuk | and the screenshot was in netbook afaik, I do not think it is on the n900-de | 19:38 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Someone was asking me the question and showing me an N900 DE edition. | 19:40 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: But I may have misunderstood the question. | 19:40 |
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| delac | hey, there used to be modem-modeswitch package in the meego repos, but I can't find it anymore. No biggie, but I can't get my Huawei 3G recognized without it... | 20:17 |
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| alterego | I'm not sure about this unity thing. | 20:17 |
| alterego | All the apps are hidden away. | 20:18 |
| alterego | So I don't klnow what is installed, I have to do everything from memory. | 20:18 |
| akk | Much like the meego tablet UX :) | 20:18 |
| delac | they are bringing unity to meego? | 20:18 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: They use the Meta key like the Tablet UX. Did you try that? | 20:18 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: Also, I couldn't find any kind of VKB. | 20:18 |
| akk | er, needing the meta key on a tablet? | 20:18 |
| akk | Yeah, unity doesn't give you a way to get to the onscreen keyboard without first having a keyboard. | 20:19 |
| * lcuk gives unity wild applause | 20:19 | |
| akk | You have to search for it, which means typing in a search field. | 20:19 |
| alterego | Well, ubuntu haven't really got into the tablet market yet. | 20:19 |
| lcuk | can you do copy and paste letter by letter? | 20:19 |
| alterego | Unity is a start I'm sure though | 20:19 |
| alterego | In fact, in theory they're ahead of Intel ;) | 20:20 |
| lcuk | or can you not right click in touchscreens *grin* | 20:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, no context menus :( | 20:20 |
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| akk | My exopc came with a sheet of paper that said to hold, then tap with another finger, to get a right-click | 20:20 |
| akk | but it's never worked for me | 20:20 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: I've got hold-and-tap working on the Indamixx build. | 20:21 |
| alterego | Lucky I have a menu button on my keyboard :) | 20:21 |
| gabrbedd | akk: but I thought the part line (MeeGo/Intel) was was to tap-and-hold for the context menu. | 20:21 |
| akk | I haven't found any apps where longpress does much that's useful either. | 20:22 |
| akk | (of the built-in apps; still trying to figure out where to get other apps) | 20:22 |
| gabrbedd | akk: longpress depends on which xorg driver you're using. | 20:22 |
| akk | gabrbedd: I'm just using the one that comes with meego tablet builds. | 20:22 |
| gabrbedd | akk: It's likely that longpress died when they got multitouch working. | 20:22 |
| akk | (and I think the graphics are intel, so that should be the driver it's using) | 20:23 |
| gabrbedd | akk: In that change the xorg driver switch from evtouch to mtev. | 20:23 |
| gabrbedd | Anyway, I'll be updating my c.OBS version of mtev with hold-and-tap (2-finger right-click gesture) | 20:23 |
| gabrbedd | ...updating it today. | 20:23 |
| alterego | I prefer tap and hold ... | 20:24 |
| alterego | Oh well | 20:24 |
| akk | Tap and hold is a lot more discoverable. | 20:24 |
| akk | But once you discover it, the 2-finger thing is probably fine. | 20:24 |
| gabrbedd | When I went to implement it... I considered tap-and-hold. | 20:25 |
| akk | (and in truth, I didn't discover tap and hold on android either, I had to read about it first) | 20:25 |
| gabrbedd | I didn't do it because (a) you have to provide user feedback that they've held for long enough... | 20:25 |
| gabrbedd | And (b) it's slower. I like fast. | 20:25 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 20:25 |
| akk | I think it would be nice to have both types of events. So you could have hold do one thing, and still have 2-finger for a context menu. | 20:25 |
| akk | That's true, waiting for longpress can be really annoying in android. | 20:26 |
| akk | And if you don't wait quite long enough then the wrong thing happens (a left click). | 20:26 |
| gabrbedd | akk: it's annoying in windows, too... and they even have that "draw a circle around your finger to show you that you're about to right-click" thing. | 20:27 |
| akk | Yeah, that sounds like a good idea but probably wouldn't help much. | 20:28 |
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| akk | In android I tend to look away (distractions) while I'm waiting for a longpress. | 20:28 |
| gabrbedd | akk: BTW Intel quitly released UI guidelines here: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview | 20:29 |
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| gabrbedd | (next-to-last bullet point has link to PDF with UI guidelines) | 20:29 |
| blindfish | hi | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | Linux 3.0.0-rc1 has been tagged | 20:30 |
| gabrbedd | blindfish: howdy | 20:31 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Really? Why 3.0? | 20:31 |
| akk | Why would they skip 2.8? | 20:31 |
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| berndhs | community based decision made by Linux alone | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | something to do with Linux entering it's 3rd decade | 20:32 |
| berndhs | Linus even | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | if absolutly nothing has changed I'm not sure why it needs to go from 2.6.40 to 3.0.0 | 20:32 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: three words: marketing. | 20:33 |
| akk | They should at least have let it go to 42. :) | 20:33 |
| thiago_HEL | gabrbedd: including the "three words" words? | 20:33 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo 1.2 running Web 2.0 on Linux 3.0.0 | 20:33 |
| CosmoHill | akk: I think that was mentioned | 20:33 |
| berndhs | with IPv-6 | 20:33 |
| padovan | CosmoHill: It's not 3.0.0, it's 3.0 | 20:33 |
| akk | Any word on whether this fancy new 3.0 kernel will solve the huge power management regressions? | 20:33 |
| gabrbedd | lkml.org has been slashdotted. :-) | 20:33 |
| * akk still trying to use old kernels on laptops because current ones use so much battery | 20:34 | |
| gabrbedd | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 | 20:34 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUwMg | 20:34 |
| gabrbedd | Linus's announcement. | 20:34 |
| thiago_HEL | everyone should now throw away their devices with linux 2.6 kernels | 20:34 |
| thiago_HEL | they're old | 20:34 |
| CosmoHill | "go forth and test" << lol | 20:35 |
| thiago_HEL | "bikeshed painting" -- how formal | 20:35 |
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| thiago_HEL | "can | 20:35 |
| gabrbedd | "So what are the big changes?" | 20:35 |
| gabrbedd | "NOTHING. Absolutely nothing." | 20:35 |
| gabrbedd | Love it! | 20:35 |
| thiago_HEL | no longe rcomfortably count as high as 40" -- weren't there like 140 2.3 kernels? | 20:36 |
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| CosmoHill | 2.3 is the unstable branch | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | oh yeah, odd numbers no longer mean it's unstable | 20:36 |
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| berndhs | even counting to 20 he has to take off his shoes | 20:36 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_HEL: he was younger back then. Thus the "no longer" | 20:38 |
| thiago_HEL | ah, I see your point | 20:38 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 20:38 |
| berndhs | older people are more risk-averse, even with counting ? | 20:38 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: what were we talking about? | 20:39 |
| thiago_HEL | Qt 5.0 will break ABI and will add new features -- though it should instead do just one, not both | 20:39 |
| * gabrbedd needs to take a nap | 20:39 | |
| berndhs | 140 .. 38 .. | 20:39 |
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| CosmoHill | perl 6 does that too iirc | 20:39 |
| berndhs | yeah just break the ABI, leave the features as they are | 20:40 |
| thiago_HEL | we should, but that's not the plan | 20:40 |
| thiago_HEL | we should add the Scene Graph and call it 4.9, then clean that up and make it 5.0 | 20:40 |
| thiago_HEL | but seeing as 4.8 isn't out yet and MeeGo needs Scene Graph by October, it's not realistic | 20:41 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago_HEL: I'm glad you're at least considering it, though. | 20:42 |
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| thp | thiago_HEL: why does meego _need_ scene graph by october? | 20:42 |
| alterego | Probably for quicker QML .. | 20:43 |
| thiago_HEL | performance | 20:43 |
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| thiago_HEL | scenegraph is that good | 20:43 |
| alterego | :) | 20:43 |
| thiago_HEL | removes a couple of layers of abstraction from QML to the OpenGL | 20:43 |
| alterego | And it's much more flexible | 20:43 |
| alterego | Effects and such | 20:43 |
| thp | yep i know that. | 20:43 |
| berndhs | i would like to be able to subclass the QML stuff in C++ | 20:44 |
| alterego | (that's what I'm waiting for) | 20:44 |
| alterego | Being able to inline GLSL :) | 20:44 |
| thp | the question was more along the lines if QtQuick 1.0 (non-scenegraph) would work on wayland and/or if wayland was the reason why it needs scene graph | 20:44 |
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| thiago_HEL | both things could work separately | 20:44 |
| alterego | thp: neah, I think it is definitely the performance they're looking for. | 20:44 |
| thiago_HEL | GV-based QML can work on wayland, using both the raster and opengl engines | 20:45 |
| alterego | It's probably the largest complaint against QML | 20:45 |
| thiago_HEL | scenegraph-based QML can work on X11 too, provided you give it a GL widget | 20:45 |
| thp | only problem will be that scenegraph-based QML will be API incompatible with QGraphicsItem-based QML components | 20:45 |
| thiago_HEL | QML API or C++ API? | 20:46 |
| thp | C++ | 20:46 |
| thiago_HEL | yeah, the C++ one will | 20:46 |
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| thiago_HEL | so plugins need to be rewritten to make use of SG | 20:46 |
| thp | ..which could lead to lots of disgruntled developers | 20:47 |
| alterego | I should probably make a note to start migrating at that point :) | 20:47 |
| thiago_HEL | you should look into writing your graphical plugins in pure QML | 20:47 |
| alterego | How API incompatible are we talking? | 20:47 |
| thiago_HEL | leave the C++ plugins for system integration and other tasks | 20:47 |
| thp | ("wth, i thought qt was working on meego, now i need to port my qwidget uis to qml", and then six months later "wth, i thought qml was working on meego, no i need to rewrite my c++ qml plugins") | 20:48 |
| alterego | Oooo, plugins .. | 20:48 |
| thiago_HEL | alterego: well, completely different. Starts by not having a paint() call. | 20:48 |
| alterego | thiago_HEL: interesting, luckily my big app, the plugin isn't graphical. | 20:48 |
| thiago_HEL | thp: you don't have to. Qt Quick 1 will still work. And unlike widgets, it does look good. | 20:48 |
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| thp | thiago_HEL: so scene graph will just be an option? is that true for Qt 5 as well? | 20:49 |
| thiago_HEL | Qt 5 will have scene graph as a mandatory component | 20:49 |
| thiago_HEL | but you can use GV and GV-based Qt Quick if you want | 20:49 |
| thp | ok, that's cool then :) | 20:49 |
| thiago_HEL | ok, flight to Tampere is boarding | 20:50 |
| thiago_HEL | cya | 20:50 |
| alterego | Caio | 20:50 |
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| delac | hey, there used to be modem-modeswitch package in the meego repos, but I can't find it anymore. No biggie, but I can't get my Huawei 3G recognized without it... | 21:09 |
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| dm8tbr | delac: sure that it's not usb-modeswitch? | 21:12 |
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| Sage_ | delac, dm8tbr: maybe that usb-modeswitch should be a feature in ofono? | 21:35 |
| dm8tbr | yay for reinventing the wheel!? | 21:36 |
| dm8tbr | btw: IIRC that modem kernel module implemented some of the modeswitch things | 21:38 |
| Sage_ | I have no idea what kind of app is usb-modeswitch can't recall using it ever | 21:38 |
| Sage_ | Last time I had problems with my huawei usb stick I disabled the "USB CD" or what ever it is with AT commands ;) | 21:39 |
| Sage_ | haven't had problems since :P | 21:39 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage_: so did I with my A-link 3GU | 21:42 |
| dm8tbr | the usb-modeswitch thing basically triggers e.g. via udev and sends an eject signal (or whatever is needed by that particular modem) | 21:43 |
| Sage_ | ok, so working with udev pretty much | 21:43 |
| Sage_ | btw, anyone know if nokia cs-15 3g modem has AT command to disable the USB CD? | 21:43 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC some of that got implemented in the option kernel driver which does not only handle option buty pretty much everything else that is tty-based | 21:43 |
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| dm8tbr | give me one to try ;) | 21:44 |
| dm8tbr | I managed to disable it in my A-link by switching to 'debug mode' | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Sage_: USB CD? | 21:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sage_: Oh - I've no idea what that is. | 21:45 |
| Sage_ | SpeedEvil: It is the virtual CD rom drive that is mounted when pluggin in the USB 3G sticks | 21:45 |
| acydlord | Sage_, i don't recall there being an AT command to kill the usbpart | 21:45 |
| Sage_ | not sure what it is called exactly | 21:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - I read the part about it being a modem. I have no idea how that works. | 21:45 |
| acydlord | i know i've passed umount via udev to unmount them on the sierra modems | 21:46 |
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| acydlord | you could always set fstab to ignore it, probably the easiest method | 21:46 |
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| t_s_o | ehci involving hubs is downright wonky... | 21:48 |
| dm8tbr | Sage_: that's an application for usb_modeswitch or a script to eject the device through udev, right there :) | 21:50 |
| Sage_ | http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=581681 <- my problems with cs-15 and dd-wrt. Huawei E1820 (with disabled virtual cd) worked fine but the cs-15 didn't | 21:51 |
| delac | yes, I think it is the usb-modeswitch after all. Cheked the repos and that is there. The reason it didnt show up in meego is because the internet connection was down. Though meego was happily telling me that it's OK. Took a while to notice that it aint... | 21:54 |
| acydlord | dd-wrt drives me nuts lately | 21:54 |
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| * dm8tbr stopped caring for *-wrt | 22:04 | |
| dm8tbr | if I'll need to set up something small it will be an alix and run debian or meego | 22:05 |
| dm8tbr | btw: do we have router-UX yet? (would be a web interface obviously) | 22:05 |
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| fiferboy | What is the correct way to get a package (specifically mysql) available in MeeGo? | 22:27 |
| acydlord | zypper install mysql from the terminal | 22:27 |
| acydlord | if it is in the repos | 22:27 |
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| fiferboy | acydlord: Sorry, I meant how to get it added to the repo | 22:28 |
| fiferboy | I have heard there is supposed to be a request procedure | 22:29 |
| berndhs | fiferboy: get an account on build.pub.meego.com, then you have your own repo. Put it in there. | 22:29 |
| acydlord | you mean a build you compiled, or to request someone to build it for meego? | 22:29 |
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| fiferboy | berndhs: That is a possibility, but my end goal would be to get the qt mysql plugin added | 22:30 |
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| fiferboy | Apparently the blocker for not building the mysql plugin is that there is no mysql package in the core | 22:30 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, what I gather is core wants maintainers, not just porters | 22:31 |
| lcuk | so that someone who will track upstream (in your case mysql) and also keep the latest stable version available | 22:31 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Hmm | 22:32 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: yep... somebody has to maintain it in c.OBS. For it to be merged into MeeGo proper, there needs to be a reason. | 22:46 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: I.e. you must answer the question, "Why does a mobile device need the mysql client libs or the mysql server?" | 22:47 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, still stuck in CA. :/ | 22:55 |
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| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Thanks for the information | 23:03 |
| fiferboy | So you are saying there has to be more reason than me just wanting it? | 23:03 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Admit it, you are staying for the orange juice :P | 23:03 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: To get it into c.OBS (community OBS) -- no. You don't even need a reason. | 23:04 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: to get it into meego -- yes, there must be a reason. Adding it to MeeGo also adds maintenance and QA overhead (i.e. cost)... | 23:05 |
| gabrbedd | so there needs to be some sort of benefit to the project from the added cost. | 23:05 |
| akk | Is there a place to browse packages that are in OBS, advertise your packages there and see other people's packages? | 23:05 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Thanks again. I'll look into putting it in my public repo first | 23:05 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Yeah, just go to http://build.meego.com and http://build.pub.meego.com | 23:05 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Then click "List of All Projects"... | 23:06 |
| akk | I was looking at that, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/list_public | 23:06 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Then uncheck the thing that says "exclude users home projects" | 23:06 |
| akk | Aha! That's what I was missing. | 23:06 |
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| gabrbedd | As for a raw listing of packages... I dunno if that's currently possible through the web interface. | 23:07 |
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| akk | It looks like it's mostly just a list of users, though. | 23:07 |
| akk | Not a way to look around and say "Oh, cool, an app to do [X], just what I was hoping for!" | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, ohgod. Well, at least its not that European shit. | 23:07 |
| akk | or "what games can I install?" or whatever | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | Stomach bug, had to cancel my flight. | 23:08 |
| gabrbedd | akk: But the search does OK. | 23:08 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: sounds like a good thing for a feature request, though. :-) | 23:08 |
| GAN900 | Was $300 cheaper to cancel and rebook than to reschedule. | 23:08 |
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| akk | gabrbedd: If I search for game, I get 0 hits. Is it really true that there's not a single game in community obs? | 23:08 |
| * akk isn't worried about finding games specifically, this just seemed like a good test of how people would look for programs | 23:09 | |
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| gabrbedd | akk: needs to match the package name. So if the package isn't called 'game' then it won't appear. | 23:09 |
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| akk | So really, there's no hope of a user ever finding my program that I check into OBS. | 23:10 |
| akk | Or me being able to search for programs I want to run. | 23:10 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Like I said, sounds like a good feature request, because it would be good. | 23:10 |
| akk | Where would I request that feature? | 23:10 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Stomach bug due to orange juice? | 23:10 |
| gabrbedd | akk: why so fatalistic? | 23:10 |
| gabrbedd | akk: bugs.meego.com | 23:10 |
| gabrbedd | akk: there's a section for IT/infrastructure | 23:10 |
| akk | I've been trying to get into meego development -- writing programs for it is refreshingly easy, but then I hit a wall - -there's no way to make those programs available. | 23:10 |
| akk | (Except put them on my website and hope people use google) | 23:11 |
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| berndhs | you can search for words in the description | 23:11 |
| fiferboy | akk: There is a public-testing repo that you can get apps into once you build them in your own repo | 23:11 |
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| fiferboy | akk: IIRC it has a basic web interface for browsing/searching apps | 23:12 |
| berndhs | https://build.pub.meego.com/search | 23:12 |
| gabrbedd | akk: that stuff should/will be there, eventually. But at the moment the majority of MeeGo users are developers (not users). ;-) | 23:12 |
| akk | fiferboy: Where is it? I didn't see it starting from the main obs page. | 23:12 |
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| fiferboy | akk: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AApps%3ATesting | 23:13 |
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| akk | berndhs: thanks, that works better than the other search. Maybe that should be linked in some obvious way. | 23:13 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, could be. Drank an awful lot of it. | 23:14 |
| * akk is still waiting to get an obs account in the first place ... holiday weekend right after a major conference turns out to be a bad time to ask for things :) | 23:14 | |
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| berndhs | if you want to advertise a package, you can get a web page for it someplace else and point to your repo | 23:15 |
| berndhs | not as nice as advertising on something.meego.com | 23:15 |
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| acydlord | well you can do meego.something.xxx | 23:15 |
| akk | berndhs: Right, maybe people will search for meego stuff by googling for meego [otherkeywords] | 23:16 |
| sofar | mysql is being kept out of core for a reason... | 23:16 |
| akk | I hope eventually there'll be something like an app store or apt/synaptic or something. | 23:16 |
| acydlord | there is zypper | 23:16 |
| fiferboy | sofar: Do you know the reason? | 23:17 |
| acydlord | and the "manage software" app is pretty much like synaptc | 23:17 |
| gabrbedd | akk: do you have a meego.com account? | 23:17 |
| akk | But zypper will only search what's formally in meego (and repositories you specifically add manually), right? | 23:17 |
| akk | gabrbedd: yes | 23:17 |
| gabrbedd | acydlord: that's actually specific to the Netbook UX. | 23:17 |
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| acydlord | ahh, i've only used the netbook and tablet versions | 23:17 |
| gabrbedd | akk: I've seen both lbt and X-Fade on here today. Have you tried asking them for a c.OBS account? | 23:18 |
| sofar | fiferboy: too heavy resource wise, should not ne needed on mobile devices in the first place | 23:18 |
| akk | gabrbedd: I sent mail yesterday or the day before -- they weren't around when I asked on IRC. | 23:18 |
| akk | I can understand being busy after the conf, though ... I'm not whining about that. | 23:19 |
| lbt | akk: didn't see it | 23:19 |
| fiferboy | I am mostly interested in the mysql client so I can communicate with off-device databases | 23:19 |
| akk | lbt: Can I just ask you now? Accountname is akkana. | 23:20 |
| lbt | oh, yes I did | 23:20 |
| lbt | I enabled you and forgot to reply :) | 23:20 |
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| akk | Oh, thanks! | 23:20 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: if you can package just the client bits... I imagine it stands a better chance. | 23:20 |
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| sofar | fiferboy: there's a good argument for the libmysqlclient, we can see about that | 23:23 |
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| lbt | ah, no, I see - X-Fade enabled it and replied to me and himself... and that's why... akk, you seem to have set the Mail-Followup-To: wrong in your email client | 23:23 |
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| sofar | fiferboy: I hope you're not calling the `mysql` program and talk to it over pipes :) | 23:24 |
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| fiferboy | gabrbedd, sofar: That would suit my needs | 23:24 |
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| fiferboy | sofar: No, I am using the qt mysql plugin | 23:24 |
| akk | Really? I didn't think mutt set Mail-Followup-To: at all. | 23:24 |
| akk | What does it set it to? | 23:24 |
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| lbt | Mail-Followup-To: david@dgreaves.com, niels@maemo.org | 23:24 |
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| akk | ?? where would that have come from? | 23:25 |
| sofar | fiferboy: is that not already supported in the core? I thought we package the qtmysql stuff already | 23:25 |
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| fiferboy | sofar: sqlite is supported, but the mysql plugin is not built due to the missing mysql client package | 23:25 |
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| lbt | akk: Mutt ? | 23:26 |
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| fiferboy | sofar: At least, the last time I checked (which I think was the 1.2 release not long ago) | 23:26 |
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| sofar | fiferboy: I'd almost suggest filing a bugreport on that | 23:26 |
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| sofar | on bugs.meego.com | 23:26 |
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| gabrbedd | there's a bytefx-data-mysql -- but that's all I see | 23:27 |
| sofar | yeah it's not in OBS except for some personal experiments | 23:27 |
| fiferboy | sofar: There is already a bug report for the qt mysql plugin, but it was closed saying the mysql library was required | 23:28 |
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| fiferboy | sofar: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6869 | 23:28 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 6869 nor, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] Could qt open mysql support? | 23:28 |
| sofar | fiferboy: send me the bugzilla number by e-mail and I'll track it next week when I'm at work | 23:28 |
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| sofar | auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com pls | 23:28 |
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| sofar | I'm at home right now | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | sofar: Will do | 23:29 |
| sofar | I'll see what I can do about it | 23:29 |
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| sofar | I know we have some requests for it from odd angles and it might just be a good time to add the client library to core | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | sofar: Thanks! | 23:29 |
| sofar | geebers, netsplat | 23:29 |
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| akk | Is there a tutorial for using meego OBS? All the links seem to lead to opensuse.org and my login doesn't work there. | 23:31 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: i'm fetching it... | 23:33 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: There's this... http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1 | 23:34 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: And this... http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial | 23:35 |
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| akk | I saw that second one, but then started following links and ended up in places where I couldn't log in. | 23:35 |
| akk | The first one looks helpful, though -- thanks! | 23:35 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Between the two you should be able to take over the world. The trick is that you need to log in to api.pub.meego.com | 23:36 |
| gabrbedd | This, for me, was unexpected and I kept trying to use 'build.pub.meego.com' | 23:36 |
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| akk | I guess "osc" is the package I'd need on ubuntu? | 23:36 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: Yeah, osc is a svn-like tool that you use to interface with the OBS. | 23:37 |
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| alterego | This is new to me: https://meego.com/community/device-program | 23:39 |
| alterego | I should really add myself to the community ml .. | 23:39 |
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| fiferboy | alterego: It has been talked about somewhere else too - I just can't remember where | 23:40 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I didn't realize it had actually happened. | 23:40 |
| alterego | Not that it matters, I got an exo at the app up for my purposes. | 23:41 |
| akk | ugh, doesn't work, keyring problems | 23:41 |
| gabrbedd | forums, meego-community, dawn's state of meego addres, and every time you talk to texrat. | 23:41 |
| alterego | I should read the contract and see if it has anything against dismantling it .. | 23:41 |
| akk | I wonder if it's assuming I'm running some gnome or kde keyring service? | 23:41 |
| alterego | akk: what is assuming? | 23:41 |
| alterego | gnome-keyring is in meego ;) | 23:41 |
| blindfish | is it necessary to know cpp to learn and use qt? | 23:41 |
| akk | Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: basic auth failed | 23:41 |
| gabrbedd | blindfish: generally, yes. | 23:41 |
| akk | after it asks for the keyring password 4 times | 23:42 |
| akk | (I think twice to set it and twice to check it) | 23:42 |
| akk | I'm not sure if it's the keyring failing, or something else. | 23:42 |
| gabrbedd | blindfish: But with QtQuick/QML... you can get pretty far with just javascript. | 23:42 |
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| akk | blindfish: You can use qt with python (with pyside) | 23:42 |
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| blindfish | its not that i've never done cpp, but it has been a while ... | 23:44 |
| blindfish | so with qt its still doing a "manual garbage collection", working with points etc. etc. ? | 23:44 |
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| alterego | blindfish: not really, Qt kind of has some inbuilt garbage collection | 23:45 |
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| alterego | blindfish: I'd give it a go, if the C++ doesn't look completely alien you'll probably find it very easy to pick up by using the Qt Creator or Nokia Qt SDK | 23:46 |
| blindfish | i think i'll try it, thank you | 23:47 |
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| blindfish | are there points where you don't get around "real cpp programming" by using qt? as i've done more java in the past few years im a little afraid of the cpp-parts | 23:49 |
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