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| abhinavmehta | guys whats the future being a meego-developer. Nokia stopped supporting this platform...so how developers future on it.? | 00:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Intel is still supporting it. | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | There re some dozens of devices eing worked on by various vendors. | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - using it in vehicles, or boats, or .... | 00:25 |
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| abhinavmehta | hmm, thats true.. | 00:26 |
| abhinavmehta | but could be in mainstream in coming future...in IT.? | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not soon. | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it going to be - probably - a useful player in emedded space - sure. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | embedded. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Will it get many releases from 'big name' hardware vendors - possibly not. | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | At least soon. | 00:29 |
| abhinavmehta | hmm...but now seems like so many other players are already grabbing the market share.. | 00:29 |
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| abhinavmehta | seems like hard competition for Meego sot sustain..isnt it.? | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | In some areas, android, and wp7 are not competitors. | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | (with meego) | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Where meego is competing directly against android or WP7 - it's going to be an extremely hard sell to get a maker to come out with them. | 00:30 |
| abhinavmehta | like can I have some example.? | 00:30 |
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| abhinavmehta | apparently while I was exploring more about it...couldn't found anything outstanding about it. Pardon if I'm harsh. | 00:35 |
| berndhs | abhinavmehta: what sort of thing would you find outstanding ? | 00:35 |
| berndhs | pardon if I'm harsh, but would you recognize it ? | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - was away. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I have little knowledge that is not public. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | If any. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia will be bringing out a 'meego' device this year. Though this may have relatively little in common with the current meego development effort. | 00:37 |
| abhinavmehta | like some kind of performance boost, or some concurrency model...or some better hardware accleration ...or jsut like anything..? | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh. | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | No - I mean niche markets. | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you have a camera, or a car navigation system, or ... - WP7, or android, aren't so good a fit. | 00:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | It might be useful to you to have a open-source operating system, more or less 'off-the-shelf' - so you don't have to reinvent large chunks. | 00:38 |
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| abhinavmehta | like take ios, its pretty awesome...if you take open source..look for android, having much larger support, take wp7 as one more good example....so whats great about meego..? | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Android in some ways has major issues. | 00:40 |
| abhinavmehta | there are so many embedded kernels...than why someone looks for meego. | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a 'normal' linux stack - which can be handy for some things. | 00:40 |
| abhinavmehta | but given the community support its growing much better than the peers | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Android is linux, but not in the normal sense. | 00:41 |
| dm8tbr | android has a linux kernel, and that's about it | 00:41 |
| abhinavmehta | true...agree about handy as well not a linux....but I was more curious being a developer or being a meego-expert..? | 00:41 |
| pixelgeek | iOS belongs to Apple, Android belongs to Google, WP7 to Microsoft. | 00:42 |
| pixelgeek | MeeGo belongs to the Linux foundation. | 00:42 |
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| abhinavmehta | pixelgeek: thats a interesting one. I liked your opinion mate...but again the question holds same....whats the individual growth prespective..? | 00:43 |
| chouchoune | abhinavmehta: I don't understand your point ? You want to know why a developper would choose Meego ? | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | abhinavmehta: If you're asking 'will meego be a good career move in the short term for someone to learn, compared to android - probably not. | 00:43 |
| abhinavmehta | chouchoune: yes | 00:43 |
| chouchoune | abhinavmehta: because Qt is just a great framework, the SDK is awesome compared to all the competitors' SDKs | 00:44 |
| abhinavmehta | SpeedEvil: ahaa | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Some people have come through a different route, and programming in a meego environment would be considerably easier than programming in an android one. | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially as they may already have core on other platforms which can be simply compiled. | 00:44 |
| abhinavmehta | SpeedEvil: thats a god reason. | 00:44 |
| chouchoune | because you beleave in open source and open development | 00:45 |
| abhinavmehta | chouchoune: :) | 00:45 |
| abhinavmehta | i do believe, but not a stake of own career. | 00:45 |
| chouchoune | because there are great opportunities on some areas like in-car infotainment and set top boxes | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah. | 00:45 |
| chouchoune | because you will let Android and iOS to indians | 00:45 |
| chouchoune | ;) | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | The stuff android doesn't work well for. | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd loce a meego camera. | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | love | 00:46 |
| abhinavmehta | ..okay guys, but could i be adopted to mainstream in embedded devices market near-soon..? | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. in-vehicle and nav devices by small vendors currently using CE - for example. | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | The CE licence isn't free. | 00:47 |
| abhinavmehta | SpeedEvil: huhh..thats a point. | 00:47 |
| chouchoune | Telecom Italia already has a Meego set top box | 00:47 |
| abhinavmehta | chouchoune: thats not a big deal to consider as mainstream technology. Thats not really a industry giant. | 00:48 |
| chouchoune | who would be an industry giant ? | 00:48 |
| chouchoune | in that kind of area ? | 00:49 |
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| abhinavmehta | like nokia, ericsson, samsung I guess. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | The industry giants are not very likely for first meego devices in numbers. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's vendors you've never heard of. | 00:50 |
| abhinavmehta | companies who can drive technology world-wide. | 00:50 |
| chouchoune | I don,'t agree | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Making products that nobody would consider expecting at the moment to put an 'app-store' in. | 00:50 |
| chouchoune | operators sell more than manufacturers in the telecom industry now | 00:50 |
| chouchoune | especially for set top boxes | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | There will likely be one or two products from major vendors. | 00:50 |
| abhinavmehta | SpeedEvil: make sense to me... | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | And I'm including STBs in 'vendors you've never heard of' | 00:51 |
| chouchoune | every internet operator will launch its own | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably not realistically - as some of them also do other consumer focussed things - but most people wouldn't know they made STBs. | 00:51 |
| abhinavmehta | Guys I agree, but as you aptly said above....it wont enjoy market attraction soon near future as compared to rivalries.... | 00:53 |
| chouchoune | for example, I live in France, and my internet operator "Free" gave me their Freebox TV which is a set top box : you wouldn't say that it's a big player in the industry, but most probably the biggest set top box reseller in France | 00:53 |
| chouchoune | abhinavmehta: but with other system, you will come to a much more competitive market | 00:54 |
| chouchoune | so it's quite similar | 00:54 |
| chouchoune | in term of employment or business, it's sometime useful to be in a smaller, but growing, market | 00:55 |
| abhinavmehta | chouchoune: thats a good one you mentioned about, but I'm considering picture at large. Given at this point of time I've the luxury to choose the embedded-platform...! | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | For a STB maker, CE has royalties - apple won't licence Ios, android has its own performance penalties. | 00:55 |
| abhinavmehta | SpeedEvil: android getting eventually better. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no other large mobile OS. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - embedded OS | 00:56 |
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| chouchoune | abhinavmehta: things change really quickly in IT | 00:57 |
| chouchoune | now Android has a large position in term of marketing and so on, and everyone is getting to it | 00:58 |
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| chouchoune | so if you choose Android, you will be one of thousands or millions of people working with it | 00:58 |
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| abhinavmehta | chouchoune: I'm understanding what you are trying to point at....perhaps you are saying correct. | 00:59 |
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| chouchoune | investing in a project like Meego would let you have less competition in a smaller market, but you would be an "expert" later if the trend comes to Meego | 00:59 |
| abhinavmehta | but what if it fails../ | 01:00 |
| abhinavmehta | ? | 01:00 |
| chouchoune | when other people would just be "late adopters" | 01:00 |
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| chouchoune | if it fails, you have the chance that Meego is built around existing and open technologies | 01:00 |
| chouchoune | if Andoid fails, you just loose everything | 01:01 |
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| chouchoune | if Meego fails, you still have Qt experience (and Qt is already quite successfull and multi-platform) | 01:01 |
| abhinavmehta | so..thats what I was thinking about....and thats why I pointed, whats great about Meego in-particular. | 01:01 |
| chouchoune | and all the open ecosystem Meego is based on | 01:01 |
| abhinavmehta | chouchoune: completely agree with you. | 01:01 |
| abhinavmehta | SpeedEvil: chouchoune: Thank you guys; Your thoughts were really very fruitful to me. Infact you helped me to shape my understanding towards Meego, thank you once again. :-) | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 01:03 |
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| mikeleib | meh.. meego can't fail if the community won't let it ;) | 01:18 |
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| Sage_ | hmm... the paper that was provided with the EXOPC from Intel AppUp SF sais that it has 2G ram but with top on tablet image I see only 1G (~890M but I guess GPU takes some), was that typo in the paper or is my device partly broken? | 02:00 |
| special | Sage_: google says 2GB | 02:01 |
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| special | at least for the retail one | 02:01 |
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| sofar | Sage_: it has 2gb, meego kernel has HIGHMEM disabled | 02:16 |
| gabrbedd | sofar Sage_ Looks like Bug 15553 | 02:18 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15553 nor, Medium, ---, bintian.wang, RESO FIXED, Meego tablet build DOES NOT actually enable HIGHMEM per dmesg: available mem < 1GB for 2GB physical | 02:18 |
| Sage_ | eh | 02:18 |
| sofar | yes | 02:18 |
| gabrbedd | It's marked "RESOLVED FIXED" -- but I don't see where it was resolved. | 02:18 |
| gabrbedd | Or even fixed. | 02:18 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 02:18 |
| sofar | known issue, architecture has stated they will evaluate it going forward since the performance of enabling HIGHMEN is a significant negative impact | 02:19 |
| Sage_ | ah | 02:19 |
| gabrbedd | k, thanks | 02:19 |
| sofar | since there are still only few 1gb+ devices out there, it doesn't make too much sense to enable currently | 02:19 |
| Sage_ | ok, because I'm using 1.2.0.90 release and it still has that fault | 02:20 |
| sofar | obviously this will change in the future as more and more devices will be sold with more memory | 02:20 |
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| gabrbedd | hrm.... I seem to recall most of my pinetrail devices are 2GB RAM. | 02:22 |
| sofar | it's strange to ship 2gb, it just takes more power :( | 02:22 |
| sofar | 1gb is plenty lol :) | 02:22 |
| Sage_ | Does this highmem only apply to 32-bit linux kernel? | 02:23 |
| sofar | AFAIK yes, which is why a 64-bit kernel (with 32bit userspace) is on the long-term roadmap as alternative | 02:23 |
| Sage_ | ok :) | 02:24 |
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| Sage_ | thx for the info sofar | 02:24 |
| sofar | <- auke | 02:25 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: yes, thank you | 02:25 |
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| gabrbedd | sofar: btw, is there a story behind the nick? | 02:25 |
| sofar | there is, actually | 02:25 |
| sofar | I stole this from a machine name at the geology faculty i studied at a long time ago | 02:26 |
| sofar | "s.o.f.a.r." is an artifical acoustic channel in the oceans created by thermal gradients natural in the water | 02:26 |
| sofar | when you are in the sofar, you are indetectable by acoustic means (microphone) for anyone above the sofar | 02:27 |
| sofar | whales use the sofar to communicate with other whales sometimes hundreds of miles away | 02:27 |
| sofar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel | 02:27 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: very cool. thanks! | 02:28 |
| * gabrbedd leaves for a date with the Mrs. | 02:28 | |
| sofar | so, when I started to use IRC in '96 or so, and I needed a nick, I couldn't think of anything better, lol | 02:28 |
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| delac | sofar: hey, you said that it is possible to prevent meego from installing the bootloader. yes? what kind of setting is it? | 02:40 |
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| delac | is it the last phase in the installation (last image here: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/meego/install/ ) And if so, what should i check or delete or what? | 02:43 |
| delac | sofar: ^ | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:46 |
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| npm | Sage_: the updated exopc tablet i got at the conf seems to have that issue: Mem: 892808k total, 813740k used, 79068k free, 16k buffers | 02:47 |
| npm | ^^ 2.6.38.2-8.12-adaptation-pinetrail #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 16 19:10:07 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 | 02:48 |
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| * npm crosses fingers, updates repos on tablet to http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/ | 03:10 | |
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| npm | 149 packages later.... | 03:11 |
| npm | are all the other language translation packs needed for english speakers, e.g. meego-ux-translations-fi ?? | 03:15 |
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| npm | given the speeds i'm seeing, i shouldna given out that URL :-) | 03:17 |
| npm | either that or this tablet's networking is slow | 03:18 |
| npm | Retrieving: emacs-common-23.2-8.66.i586.rpm [64% (108.4 KiB/s)] | 03:18 |
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| npm | actually, it was other apps running | 03:24 |
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| npm | it's better now: Retrieving: meego-app-browser-12.0.712.0~2011WW22.1-1.12.i586.rpm [2% (199.6 KiB/s)] | 03:25 |
| sofar | delac: those screens are for meego-1.1 | 03:27 |
| npm | given the apps i'm about to drop on to here (via http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) i'll take this over an ipad anyday | 03:27 |
| sofar | delac: the 1.2 installer has a screen where you can skip that step entirely afaik | 03:27 |
| npm | esp given the price | 03:27 |
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| sofar | npm: all the tablet language packs are optional and can be skipped | 03:28 |
| npm | they were preinstalled so i will start deleting | 03:28 |
| sofar | they're not large | 03:28 |
| npm | hopefully the finnish is compressed :-) | 03:29 |
| npm | s/Finish | 03:29 |
| sofar | they're just .qm files, so, not gigantic anyway | 03:29 |
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| npm | oh hi Auke | 03:31 |
| sofar | hey | 03:31 |
| npm | i'm also crossing fingers that about:sandbox is magically fixed in the updates | 03:32 |
| npm | btw, does this merit a but report: gtk-update-icon-cache: No theme index file. | 03:33 |
| npm | (when installing or updating emacs) | 03:33 |
| npm | because you can't have a tablet without emacs | 03:33 |
| npm | :-) | 03:33 |
| sofar | sure, rpm %post errors need to be fixed | 03:33 |
| * npm doesn't run a terminal, runs emacs in remote X window and then M-x shell | 03:34 | |
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| npm | sofar -- guess i'll be busy with a few bug reports then :-) | 03:36 |
| npm | that's a new one: There are some running programs that use files deleted by recent upgrade. You may wish to restart some of them. Run 'zypper ps' to list these programs. | 03:38 |
| * npm resolves with init 3 ; init 5 | 03:38 | |
| sofar | libzypp update will post that | 03:38 |
| sofar | are you following Trunk? | 03:38 |
| sofar | most of the time it's not a big deal | 03:38 |
| npm | wow looks cool | 03:39 |
| npm | totally different look | 03:39 |
| npm | not trunk because tha'ts 1.3 right? | 03:39 |
| sofar | yes | 03:39 |
| npm | baseurl=http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/ | 03:39 |
| npm | which seemed like it had a few weeks of updates over my may 16 tablet | 03:40 |
| npm | seems to handle rotation better | 03:40 |
| npm | doh: "you are not adequately sandboxed" | 03:41 |
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| npm | a long time but i'm glad i have patience | 03:47 |
| npm | the "live update" worked for me | 03:47 |
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| npm | and now it does exactly what my netbook does on all qt media players. | 03:49 |
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| Sage_ | sofar: ah, didn't know that you are auke. Good to know that as well :) | 04:45 |
| * sofar lurks | 04:46 | |
| Sage_ | btw, bug 16882 is annoying in tablet ux and it seems kernel is missing some API's for backlight control based on the comments. | 04:46 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16882 nor, Medium, ---, kevron_m_rees, ASSI, There is no way to adjust the backlight in MeeGo UX | 04:46 |
| sofar | someone just needs to write a control panel plugin | 04:47 |
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| Sage_ | Anyone from devel:ux:handset team ( http://build.meego.com/project/users?project=devel%3Aux%3Ahandset ) team here who could handle couple of my submission to that and forward those to MeeGo:1.2:oss:Testing and Trunk:Testing? Eventough the Handset UX isn't the priority we should fix the bugs from it as there is patches for those in N900 DE already that didn't make it for 1.2 before it froze. | 04:54 |
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| pixelgeek | npm - the flashing cursor during boot on the ExoPC? About 98 seconds. | 06:06 |
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| pixelgeek | bug 17161 | 06:11 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17161 maj, Medium, ---, andy.ross, RESO FIXED, Booting pauses for ~98 seconds | 06:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego has 99 problems, and the boot ain't one? | 06:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Or something like that. | 06:12 |
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| akk | Interesting -- I get a blinking-cursor hang now and then, but it's most often after an unclean shutdown | 06:14 |
| pixelgeek | MeeGo has more than 99 bugs, and JayZ is not one of them? | 06:14 |
| akk | so I always assumed it was fsck | 06:14 |
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| pixelgeek | akk - me too. Apparently the timeout happens between the BIOS and Kernel handoff. Trying to initialize a second PCI controller that the ExoPC doesn't have. | 06:15 |
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| LouisDK | Hi. | 11:07 |
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| lcuk | good morning \o | 12:37 |
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| blindfish__ | oh the tablet-ux is soooo nice | 12:44 |
| dm8tbr | on which hardware? | 12:44 |
| blindfish__ | just an ExoPC / Wetab | 12:45 |
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| blindfish__ | could be a little more stable, but by large it works great | 12:46 |
| dm8tbr | blindfish__: then try putting a few things actually on those 'sections'. once I had icons on all of them swiping around was jerjerjerjerkkkktastic | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | blindfish__, what is your favourite aspect of the tablet ux? | 13:09 |
| lcuk | having nice feedback such as you are discovering is great :) | 13:10 |
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| lcuk | n900-de in tablet mode has awesome battery longevity - at least without being on the network, will test further | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | morning CosmoHill | 13:12 |
| CosmoHill | morning | 13:12 |
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| dm8tbr | I think maemo without network connectivity is pretty much the same :) | 13:12 |
| CosmoHill | I'm playing around with intel burn test, coretemp and now easytune 6 | 13:13 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, yes but I have sim card in n900 all the time | 13:14 |
| lcuk | the n900-de is not detecting network though, hmm | 13:14 |
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| dm8tbr | pin dialogue missing maybe? | 13:14 |
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| lcuk | just not listing them in the connections dialogue | 13:14 |
| dm8tbr | ah, IC, that might just not be implemented | 13:15 |
| blindfish__ | Icuk: my favourite aspect? i guess this panel- / section-view. i like the idea very much to see everything just "on top" of the tablet without starting hunderts of application | 13:17 |
| blindfish__ | but the greatest thing about meego (just in my mind) is that its "just" a regular linux | 13:17 |
| blindfish__ | you can do the same things with it as you do with a desktop-system | 13:17 |
| blindfish__ | just noch so castrated as iOS or Android | 13:18 |
| blindfish__ | *just not | 13:18 |
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| dm8tbr | I think you meant: the userspace has among other things a X11 server (later on wayland) | 13:18 |
| lcuk | hmm does not sound right, bug 18161 is similar, ahh bug 14950 also, but that is theme related | 13:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18161 nor, Undecided, ---, martin.xu, NEW, [Trunk:Testing]Fail to scan WIFI AP list on Networks panel | 13:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14950 maj, Medium, ---, janne.siren, REOP, [Trunk: Testing] WLAN networks names are not visible in Wifi app. | 13:20 |
| lcuk | blindfish__, specifically then, which oof the panels are most useful to you? | 13:21 |
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| lcuk | the underlying system is changing as dm8tbr said, according to a few people wayland will replace the x11 | 13:21 |
| lcuk | which then makes meego pretty much the same as android as far as graphics go | 13:22 |
| blindfish__ | icuk: at the moment i guess the browser-section, cause i mainly use the tablet for some surfing in front of the tv. some more web-connectors in the friends-section would be really nice - especially twitter and statusNet just as in the netbook-ux | 13:25 |
| lcuk | is your tv unit capable of being controlled from your device? | 13:26 |
| blindfish__ | no, i don't use meego for controlling it | 13:26 |
| lcuk | is it possible to do so? | 13:26 |
| blindfish__ | more or less ... yes | 13:27 |
| lcuk | since you sit with it infront of you at tv time | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | :) | 13:27 |
| blindfish__ | i have a mythtv-mmc | 13:27 |
| lcuk | I mean like this: http://liqbase.net/liq.20101214_234800.liqremote_run.scr.png | 13:27 |
| blindfish__ | its possible to controll it through the web-interface | 13:27 |
| lcuk | what if you just had a simple panel on the tablet ux? | 13:27 |
| blindfish__ | hmm, would be a nice thing | 13:28 |
| * lcuk thinks simply about things | 13:28 | |
| blindfish__ | i have something similar on my android-phone | 13:28 |
| lcuk | you have this device on your knee - you are watching tv. | 13:28 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, ping ^^ | 13:30 |
| lcuk | and potentially sage too ^^ ;) | 13:30 |
| lcuk | frals, WORKSFORME | 13:33 |
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| frals | lcuk: wut? | 13:40 |
| frals | ah yeah same here now | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | lol yeah | 13:43 |
| lcuk | frals, UI wise does this look reasonable: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110529_111703.liqrecentsketches_tagging.scr.png | 13:44 |
| blindfish__ | looks a little like the original wetab-ui :P | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | How do you breed ice-cream? | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Because I want to know. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Is there a reason to not put divisors between the sketches? | 13:46 |
| pebcak | ew wetab ui | 13:47 |
| lcuk | blindfish__, I wrote the notes up for this a loooong time ago | 13:47 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, divisors? like this: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090723_181927.liqnoteviewchain.scr.png | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Something like that, yes. | 13:48 |
| lcuk | blindfish__, the UI I am writing is based on notes I wrote in ,,, let me find the sketch | 13:48 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110528_155246.liqrecentsketches_tagging.scr.png | 13:49 |
| lcuk | 2009 I believe | 13:49 |
| blindfish__ | hmm? thought it was a joke | 13:49 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember what he was doing in 2009. | 13:49 | |
| blindfish__ | have you seen the wetab-ui, icuk? | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I was trying to make fire by rubbing two carrots together. | 13:50 |
| lcuk | I only got interested in actually making the tagging/grouping stuff recently but have had the main graffiti wall in use all along | 13:50 |
| blindfish__ | looks pretty much like this sketch | 13:50 |
| lcuk | blindfish__, that is perhaps true, I see many of the things I draw around many places | 13:50 |
| lcuk | blindfish__, does the wetab ui work on n900? | 13:51 |
| blindfish__ | no | 13:51 |
| blindfish__ | mom, let me look for a youtube-video | 13:51 |
| lcuk | i have seen it | 13:51 |
| lcuk | I have used one for a brief time | 13:52 |
| blindfish__ | oh, ok | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | blindfish, from 2008: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG | 13:52 |
| * lcuk has not been able to afford a tablet since then and only got to play for a few days with that x41 | 13:53 | |
| blindfish | hm yes, most tablets are painfully expensive | 13:55 |
| pebcak | nope | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | expense is relative - having spare money to afford toys is what we lack in our family :) | 13:56 |
| * lcuk showed his calendar to doctor last time he visited :O | 13:57 | |
| lcuk | she said to put her name on the box because its awesome o_O | 13:57 |
| pebcak | you can get just about 50 tablets under 300€ in germany | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:58 |
| pebcak | ;P | 13:58 |
| lcuk | pebcak, and how much to hire developers to actually polish and tidy up all the stuff I would want to run on them? | 13:58 |
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| blindfish | pebcak: about 50 tablet, right, but most of them are a little crappy | 14:00 |
| pebcak | blindfish that wasn't your criteria | 14:00 |
| blindfish | should be everyones criteria ;) | 14:01 |
| pebcak | than the wetab would have sold even less | 14:01 |
| pebcak | because it's still crappy | 14:01 |
| blindfish | nope, the wetab itself is great, just the pre-installed operating system is crap | 14:02 |
| blindfish | well ... the ui of it | 14:02 |
| pebcak | no, it's not | 14:02 |
| pebcak | it flexes, the screen sucks, half the time you get cpu problems | 14:02 |
| blindfish | "cpu problems"? | 14:03 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/cosmo-first-OC.png :D | 14:03 |
| pebcak | yeah, ie kernel not booting, because the cpu fucks up | 14:03 |
| blindfish | wow, ok, didn't have that one so far | 14:04 |
| lcuk | blindfish, pebcak - I am used to designing for imperfections | 14:04 |
| lcuk | from UI expecting the touchscreen is outside lab conditions and imprecises (my n810 was old and not very sensitive) | 14:04 |
| pebcak | I'm used to hack it till it works, it#s still not "great" | 14:04 |
| pebcak | especially using the old touchscreen firmware it pretty much sucks | 14:05 |
| lcuk | sigh | 14:06 |
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| pebcak | don't get me wrong, I like the wetab for the possibilities | 14:06 |
| lcuk | design for low powered devices and be eternally surprised when you run on faster hardware | 14:06 |
| pebcak | but it's not a "great device" | 14:06 |
| lcuk | ahem: | 14:06 |
| pebcak | I loved the openmoko for the possibilities | 14:06 |
| lcuk | Dear #Intel, please slow down your chips. They make my software run so fast I cannot take photos. http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/74247116976959489 | 14:06 |
| pebcak | but it's not a great device | 14:06 |
| blindfish | okay, you're right pebcak | 14:08 |
| blindfish | but i guess it's still okay for the 200€ i had to pay for it | 14:08 |
| pebcak | I had to pay more | 14:09 |
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| blindfish | shure you had | 14:09 |
| blindfish | ;) | 14:10 |
| blindfish | i'd never pay 400 € (was that the start-price for the wetab?) for this device | 14:11 |
| pebcak | 550 for the 32gb/3g one | 14:11 |
| blindfish | so you paid the full price? | 14:12 |
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| pebcak | blindfish nope, and I wouldn't have | 14:14 |
| pebcak | paid ~400€ | 14:15 |
| lcuk | how big is the device? | 14:15 |
| pebcak | which was ok, got wetab os, meego tablet + android x86 running | 14:15 |
| lcuk | battery life? | 14:15 |
| lcuk | pebcak, what do you actually use it for | 14:15 |
| pebcak | lcuk to test some stuff, happy hacking, playing day of the tentacle, reading, browsing etc. | 14:16 |
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| pebcak | at the moment also having fun with sugar on meego (sugarlabs.org) | 14:17 |
| lcuk | screenshots | 14:17 |
| blindfish | pebcak: was it hard to install android? does it work well? | 14:17 |
| leinir | That sounds like a good day to me :) | 14:17 |
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| pebcak | blindfish nic uploaded an image at wetab-community | 14:18 |
| leinir | Hmm... but would the mesh networking used in sugar work with connman's refusal to support adhoc networking? | 14:18 |
| pebcak | I build my own gingerbread ones, still have some problems with graphics but working on it | 14:18 |
| pebcak | mesh isn't "used" in sugar | 14:19 |
| pebcak | it#s used with the xo 1.0 | 14:19 |
| pebcak | collobaration stuff is actually done with an xmpp extension and a patched ejabberd | 14:19 |
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| pebcak | lcuk wetab is 11,6" (1366x768) and battery life varries | 14:20 |
| pebcak | some people say 2-3 hours, I can watch movies for 3 1/2 hors and read 4-5 hours | 14:21 |
| pebcak | leinir mesh works great with greater distance | 14:22 |
| pebcak | but if you got 30 kids in a room with mesh it#s a nightmare | 14:22 |
| leinir | Right, wasn't sure how deeply integrated that particular tech was :) | 14:23 |
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| * CosmoHill is confused cos a small girl just knocked at the door and asked if I wanted to buy a cake | 14:24 | |
| pebcak | hehe | 14:24 |
| blindfish | ^^ | 14:25 |
| pebcak | blindfish I thought I saw your nick at the wetab-community forums | 14:25 |
| blindfish | pebcak: yes, thats right | 14:25 |
| pebcak | hehe, we talked about fennec :D | 14:27 |
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| blindfish | oh yes | 14:27 |
| blindfish | i tried it btw. | 14:27 |
| blindfish | great peace of software ;) | 14:27 |
| pebcak | a bit slow, but ok :p | 14:27 |
| blindfish | im just more interested in meego than the wetab-os. and this is why im not really active on the wetab-board | 14:28 |
| pebcak | hehe, me too | 14:28 |
| blindfish | don't have an installation of wetabos since march any more | 14:28 |
| pebcak | triple boot :D | 14:28 |
| pebcak | http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/15110-meego-1112-ux-am-wetab/page__view__findpost__p__185602 ;) tablet update :D | 14:29 |
| blindfish | i have the 16gb-version of the tablet, so dual-boot / triple-boot sucks a little | 14:29 |
| pebcak | yeah, I guess | 14:29 |
| * CosmoHill watches a F1 driver throw a BBC presenter into a swimming pool | 14:30 | |
| pebcak | liked the dark backgrounds better in the panelview | 14:31 |
| blindfish | pebcak: nice | 14:31 |
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| blindfish | i have the build from the 20th may (or something around this date) installed - just gatting the appgrid in vertical-view | 14:32 |
| blindfish | *getting | 14:32 |
| pebcak | yeah, it's a newer build from daily snapshots | 14:32 |
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| blindfish | does someone know something about the intel application labs in munich in july? it still says "Coming Soon" for some weeks now. | 14:36 |
| thiago | july is coming soon | 14:36 |
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| pebcak | hehe | 14:37 |
| blindfish | ... | 14:38 |
| blindfish | i miss the "registration"-button ;) | 14:38 |
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| pebcak | I guess you have to register at the mobile mondy page | 14:40 |
| pebcak | °monday | 14:41 |
| blindfish | oh thanks | 14:42 |
| blindfish | the last time i looked on the mobile-monday page they didnt list the first july as an event | 14:42 |
| blindfish | now they do | 14:42 |
| blindfish | but ... "Register now! >> (possible early JUNE)" | 14:43 |
| blindfish | ;) | 14:43 |
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| blindfish | okay, better than nothing | 14:43 |
| pebcak | mittagsbubu, bbl | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | are there any modern stylus/pen driven tablets around? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | not resistive or capacitive (though a capacitive layer on top as well as pen would be awesome) | 14:57 |
| lcuk | extra super double bonus if it boots meego happily | 14:58 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, device program stuff, would something like this exist and have a way to be used at home anywhere? | 14:59 |
| * lcuk uses pen and paper instead for this afternoon | 15:00 | |
| * lcuk ponders and then grabs n810 + crate | 15:01 | |
| alterego | Heh | 15:01 |
| blindfish | do intel- /nokia-people / "official meego guys" also come into this channel? | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | blindfish: yes | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | however it is sunday | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And some of them can't talk about what ew | 15:02 |
| lcuk | blindfish, s/guys/people/ | 15:02 |
| CosmoHill | and the formula race is about to start | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | we want them to talk about. | 15:02 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, meego is *open* if something is being developed it should occur out in the open | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes. | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | But for example - hw. | 15:03 |
| lcuk | hw is less a concern if the software runs well | 15:03 |
| lcuk | n900 is hw | 15:03 |
| lcuk | ideapad is hw | 15:03 |
| lcuk | exopc is hw | 15:03 |
| lcuk | etc | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways yes, in other ways - a SD with meego on it is not an inherently usable object. | 15:03 |
| * lcuk notes n900 only has pen input | 15:03 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, what does? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | I recall the first time I ever heard about Qt | 15:04 |
| lcuk | "code once, deploy anywhere" | 15:04 |
| lcuk | now, there are a great many maemo qt apps | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | are they available for meego? | 15:04 |
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| * SpeedEvil suffers a fatal parser error. ENOCOFFEE. | 15:05 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, what do you need to make meego usable for you? | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Coffee. | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | As a prerequisite. | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Then hardware to run it on. | 15:07 |
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| thp | hmm should the output .spec of "specify" contain %qmake or is this supposed to be replaced by something else? | 15:24 |
| thp | because i'm getting an error when trying to run rpmbuild with that file | 15:24 |
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| infobot | zehjotkah <~zehjotkah@204-16-154-129-static.ipnetworksinc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 19h 25m 14s ago, saying: 'don't made him laugh, don't make him laugh!'. | 15:39 |
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| dm8tbr | looking for gossip, eh? ;) | 15:47 |
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| delac | sofar: you there? | 16:16 |
| Night-hacks | i want to try Meego on ubuntu what's the easiest way ? | 16:18 |
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| Night-hacks | should i download the complete SDK for that purpose ? | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | ~seen godzilla | 17:08 |
| infobot | godzilla <51818e8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.129.142.141> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 135d 16h 30m 49s ago, saying: 'RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'. | 17:08 |
| * lcuk giggles | 17:08 | |
| berndhs | that's quoted out of context, unfair :) | 17:08 |
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| thp | anybody got QtMobility sensors (accelerometer) working on the exopc tablet ux? related bug: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17461 | 17:12 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17461 nor, Low, ---, jerry.yu, NEED, Can't use Accelerometer Sensor in ExoPC with MeeGo Table pre-alpha OS | 17:12 |
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| lcukabc | hey, question about the meego netbook ux. if I open file browser (nautilus) and double click on a text/src file it opens in gedit | 17:17 |
| lcukabc | if I double click on another, it opens a whole new instance of gedit | 17:18 |
| lcukabc | even though gedit on my desktop happily opens multiple tabs for each file | 17:18 |
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| lcukabc | anyone know how to make meego netbook nautilus do the same | 17:18 |
| lcukabc | hi mmeeks \o how goes OOo and general self? | 17:19 |
| berndhs | lcukabc: could be a dbus issue, gedit talks to other instances of itself probably using dbus | 17:21 |
| delac | lcukabc: or the desktop file might have --new-window | 17:22 |
| lcukabc | berndhs: I dunno, but having an instance per file is mildly frustrating | 17:22 |
| delac | lcukabc: unlikely though | 17:22 |
| lcukabc | let me check | 17:22 |
| berndhs | lcukabc: yes it can be annoying | 17:22 |
| delac | more likely gedit doesnt recognize the zones as workspaces | 17:23 |
| delac | so it cant check wether the zone has already a open window or not | 17:24 |
| delac | or something like that | 17:24 |
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| lcukabc | i cannot recognise zones as workspaces | 17:24 |
| lcukabc | frustrating to attempt to do multitasking | 17:24 |
| delac | indeed | 17:24 |
| lcukabc | even with alt-tab the arrangement of the windows is odd | 17:25 |
| lcukabc | bug 10544 waas filed a while ago related | 17:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications | 17:26 |
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| lcukabc | how is mulktitasking on the tblet ux? | 17:29 |
| lcukabc | tablet ux | 17:29 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk you seem to be multiplying | 17:30 |
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| lcukabc | CosmoHill: different machines | 17:31 |
| lcukabc | i would normally grab my laptop and come sit by the bed | 17:31 |
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| lcukabc | but I am using ideapad instead | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | I'd sit on the bed, much more comfy | 17:31 |
| lcukabc | yeah true | 17:31 |
| * lcukabc replaced the screen | 17:32 | |
| lcukabc | but the inverter is also broke (at least I think so, not getting any HV out of it | 17:32 |
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| gabrbedd | lcukabc: On the Tablet UX, multitasking is... ok. | 17:40 |
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| gabrbedd | lcukabc: Press meta button 2x and you get a list of "recent apps" (whether they are running or not) | 17:41 |
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| gabrbedd | lcukabc: What you see is their desktop icons. | 17:41 |
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| gabrbedd | lcukabc: If you fire one off, you get the already opened application. If you go to your apps and try to start a new instance of an already-opened app, you'll get the same application (i.e. only 1 instance) | 17:42 |
| gabrbedd | lcukabc: There's nothing even remotely like nautilus in Tablet UX... so there's nothing that launches an app based on a file's type. | 17:43 |
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| delac | does anyone know if it is possible to NOT install bootloader with meego netbook? I did take a look of the installation dialogs, but there is nothing apparently obivious way. | 17:49 |
| * alterego just purchased a mini HDMI-C -> HDMI-A for his exo :) | 17:52 | |
| alterego | Just under 5 quid from Tesco, neah bad. | 17:52 |
| thp | alterego: does HDMI out work in meego tablet ux? | 17:53 |
| alterego | Not MeeGo Tablet (yet) works in Webtab OS though | 17:53 |
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| alterego | I reckon HDMI probably does work in tablet, it's just there's no way to configure it. | 17:53 |
| thp | ah ok. i read somewhere that there was some binary that needs to be copied over from wetab os to enable hdmi | 17:54 |
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| alterego | Ah, probably some firmware then, yes. | 17:55 |
| alterego | I'm currently running wetab os | 17:55 |
| thp | alterego: http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/12074-hdmi-ausgang/ | 17:55 |
| thp | alterego: the first two files need to copied off from wetab os, then the commands below have to be executed | 17:56 |
| thp | i haven't tested it myself, though | 17:56 |
| alterego | Interesting | 17:56 |
| alterego | Thanks for the link ;) | 17:56 |
| alterego | I will be reverting back to MeeGo tablet UX soon. | 17:56 |
| thp | or (if you have a usb keyboard, which you probably have) you could try ubuntu as well ;) | 17:59 |
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| thp | both meego tablet and ubuntu boot happily from usb. ubuntu can even be configured to persist changed on the usb stick. | 17:59 |
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| alterego | Neat | 18:02 |
| alterego | I was going to attempt to install 11.04 on it | 18:03 |
| alterego | Then try and get Maliit working | 18:03 |
| alterego | Ooo, I've now got 3 followers on twitter! | 18:04 |
| * alterego has a party | 18:04 | |
| gabrbedd | alterego: what's your twitter handle? I'll make it 4. | 18:06 |
| berndhs | i dont have many followers because I dont say very much on twitter. So its not really worth saying much. | 18:06 |
| alterego | ThomasSwindell | 18:07 |
| alterego | That "director" guy from London keeps stealing my usernames | 18:07 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 18:07 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: OMAP also has off-the-self dev kits... | 18:08 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: e.g. the omap blaze.... http://svtronics.com/market_omap | 18:09 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: anyway, I think that's a good suggestion. | 18:12 |
| alterego | Thanks | 18:12 |
| alterego | I swear it's impossible to make me look good in photos | 18:13 |
| berndhs | alterego: sue the photoshop people | 18:14 |
| alterego | Sue Nokia for their crapp Karl Ugly lens :P | 18:14 |
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| alterego | I'm gonna go for the "Jesus on a Rock" pose | 18:15 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: LOL | 18:15 |
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| alterego | Teeheehee, http://meegonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Meego-Conference-Werewolf.jpg | 18:25 |
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| DawnFoster | *notices that my hands were blurry in most of the werewolf photos & wonders what the heck I was doing* | 18:28 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: Are you even in that photo?? Is that your nose? | 18:30 |
| alterego | Yes :D | 18:30 |
| alterego | I was nmext to the crazy drunk guy who was having a birthday. | 18:31 |
| alterego | I'm trying to find more photos | 18:31 |
| DawnFoster | alterego: ha! I work with Bob (aka crazy drunk birthday guy) :) | 18:31 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: of you, or of bob? | 18:32 |
| alterego | Hah | 18:32 |
| alterego | Of bob of course :P | 18:32 |
| alterego | DawnFoster: awesome, I bet your days are v. interesting :D | 18:32 |
| DawnFoster | alterego: at least this one has more than your nose: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blauzahl/5757523923/ | 18:33 |
| alterego | Oh, what a pose | 18:33 |
| alterego | I'm pretty sure I wasn't admiring your butt, | 18:33 |
| alterego | But I had had a lot to drink .. | 18:33 |
| alterego | Wait, erm .. | 18:33 |
| alterego | I was looking where everyone else was O_O | 18:34 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 18:34 |
| alterego | That's a pretty good one of Jaffa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blauzahl/5765614765/in/photostream | 18:35 |
| alterego | Heh, classic quote too :D | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: Your pose reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZBLEeR836I | 18:35 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:36 |
| alterego | Nice .. | 18:36 |
| gabrbedd | Yep, that's a good one of Jaffa | 18:36 |
| alterego | I've got a good video of dneary playing with bubbles | 18:39 |
| alterego | I'll have to upload them later. | 18:39 |
| alterego | How does flickr tagging work? | 18:40 |
| alterego | Is it a twitter account? | 18:40 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I was trying to figure it out yesterday.... | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | tagging people attaches them to their twitter account | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | wait, no | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: supposedly there's a link that should appear next to "People in this photo" | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | tagging people attaches them to their *flickr* account | 18:41 |
| alterego | twitter? | 18:41 |
| alterego | Right | 18:41 |
| alterego | That's what I thought ;) | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: But it doesn't appear for me... even after I set up a flickr account. | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | sorry - it's early here. *goes to get another cup of tea* | 18:42 |
| alterego | :) | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: So I guess only *special* people get to tag :-) | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | only some people allow others to tag people in their photos | 18:42 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: it's probably some kind of grace period | 18:42 |
| alterego | Or that | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | the person uploading the photo gets to decide | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | or could be new users, too | 18:42 |
| alterego | I might knock together a MeeGo Media Network site | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | "I (state your name) being of sound mind and body, hereby certify that I am not a spammer." | 18:43 |
| alterego | I wanna see more pictures! | 18:43 |
| alterego | Who else had a camera | 18:43 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: I've got a picture from when my demo in the Intel booth got a btrfs kernel oops... but that's probably not what you're looking for. | 18:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:44 |
| alterego | I got a picture of my dialer UX in Jukka's slide | 18:44 |
| alterego | Looks like a few of the videos out there have my number edited out too (thank god) | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=meegoconf+OR+%22meego+conference%22&ss=2&s=rec | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | has a lot of sightseeing pics from people but captures a lot of them | 18:45 |
| * w00t_ wanders in absolutely exhausted | 18:47 | |
| alterego | Heh | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | hey w00t_! | 18:47 |
| w00t_ | I think the only reason I am alive right now is starbucks | 18:48 |
| gabrbedd | w00t_: yeah, several of us are still recovering. Welcome back! | 18:48 |
| alterego | I'm pretty recovered now | 18:48 |
| w00t_ | :) | 18:48 |
| alterego | That cheeky GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5759077586/ | 18:49 |
| alterego | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5759078538/ | 18:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:49 |
| * w00t_ should probably put his and brik's photos online once we get them sorted out | 18:49 | |
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| alterego | Yeah, I guess I should make a flickr account or something, | 18:50 |
| alterego | I've stuck a bunch on facebook for family/friends | 18:50 |
| alterego | But no real way to share with the community. | 18:50 |
| gabrbedd | Ah, I didn't realize GAN900 == generalantilles | 18:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:51 |
| alterego | Yes, it is. | 18:51 |
| * w00t_ wishes he had time to talk to a lot more people | 18:51 | |
| alterego | This is a realy good picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5755866407/ | 18:52 |
| alterego | Who's that guy? | 18:52 |
| gabrbedd | Arek, from poland. | 18:53 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5751457913/in/photostream/ glglglglgl | 18:53 |
| alterego | Yeah, he made a very good warewolf, *giggles* | 18:54 |
| gabrbedd | Other than that, I hadn't met him before. | 18:54 |
| alterego | Yeah, don't think I introduced myself | 18:54 |
| alterego | But we moved in similar circles throughout the event. | 18:54 |
| alterego | Shame, could have been a good shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/umpcportal/5751265597/ | 18:55 |
| DawnFoster | we also have a bunch of official photos from our ninja photographer, but we don't have them up on flickr yet (except for keynotes) | 18:57 |
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| alterego | Nice, just found the Angry Birds contest video :) | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | I like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/5747363842/ Eric looks so serious about his catapult :) | 19:01 |
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| DawnFoster | alterego: they did a great job with that video | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | we need to starting thinking about how we can come up with an activity to top the angry birds contest for the next meegoconf | 19:05 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: URL? | 19:06 |
| alterego | Jaffa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvn3CXO9c-M | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Ta | 19:07 |
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| Jaffa | Gah, interlacing | 19:07 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:12 |
| alterego | DawnFoster: do you happen to know if/when the recorded conference sessions will be stuck online? | 19:13 |
| alterego | I missed a few I'd really like to catch up on. | 19:13 |
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| akk | Somebody said (on the mailing lists, I think) that they should start going up next week, after the holiday weekend. | 19:21 |
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| DawnFoster | we should have them up starting on tuesday | 19:23 |
| DawnFoster | monday is a us holiday | 19:23 |
| DawnFoster | and will probably take a couple of days to get them all up | 19:23 |
| DawnFoster | I expect the rest of the pictures will do up around the same time | 19:24 |
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| alterego | Yeah, Monday is a holiday here too. | 19:30 |
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| mikeleib | where is the next meego conf? | 19:36 |
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| DawnFoster | we haven't quite picked a date / location | 19:38 |
| DawnFoster | SF or Asia are likely choices | 19:38 |
| DawnFoster | I think we're leaning toward SF, but still TBD | 19:38 |
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| mikeleib | SF? | 19:39 |
| mikeleib | as in SFO? | 19:39 |
| * mikeleib proposes AMS | 19:39 | |
| mikeleib | +1 major airport hub | 19:40 |
| mikeleib | +1 PDX->AMS direct | 19:40 |
| mikeleib | +1 HEL->AMS direct | 19:40 |
| mikeleib | +1 train service | 19:40 |
| alterego | Next year is too far away :( | 19:40 |
| mikeleib | LHR->AMS direct | 19:41 |
| berndhs | SFO is a major hub for people coming from Asia :) | 19:41 |
| * mikeleib waves to alterego | 19:41 | |
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| mikeleib | we should split the difference and do it in HNL instead | 19:41 |
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| mikeleib | it's nearly mid-way | 19:42 |
| berndhs | how about Iceland ? | 19:43 |
| mikeleib | umm... it's in winter | 19:43 |
| berndhs | close to the eruptinc vulcano then, shoult be warmer | 19:44 |
| mikeleib | another reason not to have it in iceland-- flight cancellations on the way back | 19:45 |
| * mikeleib has mauled the conf wiki page in accordance to this discussion | 19:45 | |
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| * mikeleib has idea for pdt | 19:50 | |
| mikeleib | wait.. no.. conf | 19:50 |
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| amjad_ | i propose shangai for next year meego conference :) | 20:19 |
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| amjad_ | not sure if my proposal carries any weight though :) | 20:20 |
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| alterego | I propose, erm, Bruges | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | Gent's nicer. | 20:23 |
| alterego | (Not because I'm there, I'd just like to visit it ;) | 20:23 |
| alterego | Depends on the kind of weather you want at a conf, Iceland is nice. And we could have the party at the blue lagoon, which is pretty epic. | 20:24 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Completed my action before the end of Sunday (even though it's a long weekend here): http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/QA - haven't got bergie's notes, though, so can't remember the exact questions we discussed. | 20:24 |
| Jaffa | Blue Lagoon's cool. Bloody freezing, though. | 20:24 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: awesome, thank you! | 20:25 |
| amjad_ | how about denver the mile city :) | 20:27 |
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| akk | Is anybody around (X-Fade?) who can create community obs accounts? or should I email? | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | akk: _lbt_log is still travelling, I think | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | akk: Dunno about X-Fade | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | akk: Email might be best :-) | 20:32 |
| akk | Thanks, I'll email. | 20:32 |
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| berndhs | Niagara Falls, Ontario for the next convention | 20:36 |
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| berndhs | great view, lousy weather in November | 20:36 |
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| Jaffa | There was some discussion about a HarmattanConf. Maybe at my house ;-) | 20:47 |
| Jaffa | All 6 (passionate) users can get free bed & board. | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, give me fresh hw any day, my n900 usb broke | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | who cares about the sf ;) | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | er, sw | 20:51 |
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| ShadowJK | is that the second usb that broke for you? | 20:53 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: recently? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: people pulling down wifi stepped over my charger cable | 21:01 |
| alterego | eeek | 21:01 |
| alterego | Do you have a spare? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | wil convert this one to go on top of a jig prolly | 21:02 |
| alterego | Cool, do you have a spare spare? :) | 21:02 |
| alterego | Oh, they need to be special to go on a jig? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | just not mobile | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for n950, so no use getting a spare spare ;p | 21:02 |
| alterego | :) | 21:02 |
| alterego | I over heard some interesting conversations in that regard | 21:03 |
| * SpeedEvil waits for n950. | 21:03 | |
| sofar | Stskeeps: ouch | 21:03 |
| alterego | Unfortunately I was too pissed to remember much of it. | 21:03 |
| * SpeedEvil passes alterego 'recorder' | 21:04 | |
| alterego | What would be the best way to share images from the conference, I don't like flickr that much | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | The mic is really good! | 21:04 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: I'm hoping I can peice my memory back together tomorrow :) | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: picasa? | 21:04 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: I was thinking of a cool community thing we could do for meego photos | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: wiki.meego.org/user/alterego/ | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 21:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, maybe, or just a page that links to peoples albums | 21:05 |
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| sofar | oops, I pulled a cable ;) | 21:06 |
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| * gabrbedd found that he's not sexy enough to wear his "Intel Open Source Technology Center" t-shirt | 21:14 | |
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| Jaffa | gabrbedd: What about the "If you're Qt, I'm open" one? | 21:15 |
| gabrbedd | Jaffa: I didn't get one of those. The IOSTC shirts are cut like baby tees, though. | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | does anybody know where are the device program notes? | 21:23 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: The one where the community is creating a device... or the one where you can get a vendor's device for dev? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | either | 21:25 |
| gabrbedd | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program | 21:26 |
| gabrbedd | and... | 21:26 |
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| gabrbedd | ... | 21:28 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, that is a great start, thanks | 21:28 |
| lcuk | "Confirm that you have asked your employer for a device (if applicable), and been turned down. " | 21:28 |
| gabrbedd | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Built_Devices | 21:28 |
| DawnFoster | *reminds me that I still need to do a blog post about the community device program* | 21:29 |
| DawnFoster | I'll wait until tues when everyone is back to work and not on holiday | 21:29 |
| lcuk | well how can I ask for a device when the category does not officially seem to exist any more | 21:29 |
| lcuk | (stylus/pen driven) | 21:30 |
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| DawnFoster | apparently I'm working too hard this weekend - I keep giving myself new tasks & making even more work :) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, n900-de has tasks UI included | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and is usable too | 21:30 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:30 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: ha! I have a web-based one that I like (Hiveminder) | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | web based is great until you get somewhere (inside office buildings even) where you cannot get internet | 21:31 |
| DawnFoster | the problem isn't the tool, it's the number of work things that I need to do over my three day weekend "holiday" | 21:31 |
| lcuk | and it is not always possible to have guest wifi | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, write down your tasks on real juggling balls | 21:32 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I can usually get pretty good cell service in buildings | 21:32 |
| lcuk | dress up and entertain the kids whilst also prioritising | 21:32 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: that would be a more accurate representation :) | 21:32 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: especially when I drop them all :) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | that happens sometimes | 21:33 |
| lcuk | you just pick em up and start again :) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | btw, could you pass on a message to Intel I twittered about recently ;) : | 21:34 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/74247116976959489 | 21:34 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: :) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, how is your book, I noticed you typo corrected, is it being printed? | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I'm getting back to it this weekend. | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | I also had a friend & my mom read the inside for typos | 21:36 |
| lcuk | ahh that is one of the balls! | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | and they found a few | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | so making a couple of minor changes | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Need any more proofreaders? | 21:37 |
| DawnFoster | and hope to have it online for sale in mid-June at the latest | 21:37 |
| lcuk | that sounds reasonable, I do not think there is a book anywhere without typos | 21:37 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: yeah, I find them in print books all the time | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm good at tyops. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | as long as "cooling afternoon snack" does not include 5lbs of peppers" | 21:37 |
| DawnFoster | SpeedEvil: thanks for the offer, but I'm making the changes today and sending it back | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:38 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: what - isn't that a cooling afternoon snack: o_O | 21:38 |
| lcuk | depends on the kind of pepper :D | 21:38 |
| lcuk | I suppose a run through the city looking for water would cool you off | 21:39 |
| alterego | Is that Texrat on the right: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/5744709286/in/photostream | 21:41 |
| * alterego chuckles | 21:41 | |
| DawnFoster | :) | 21:42 |
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| DawnFoster | what you don't see is that the pigs are guarding our snacks, which were under the tablecloth :) | 21:42 |
| alterego | Hah, yeah | 21:42 |
| alterego | Next year can we have 'Villager' tags as well as 'Speaker' and 'Sponsor'? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | ahh next year. | 21:45 |
| npm | say, what's a PNG? | 21:45 |
| npm | :-) | 21:45 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 21:45 | |
| TSCHAKeee | is that going to be the running joke for the next 6 months? | 21:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:45 |
| npm | why does the letter Q have a tail? | 21:46 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what's a Nubian? | 21:46 |
| alterego | BLACK RAGGE! | 21:46 |
| blauzahl | +1 to "Villager" tags :D | 21:47 |
| blauzahl | are you planning on doing anything with the meegoconf photos, that i should change the liscensing? | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | blauzahl: I have a javascript app, do I need to think about your question? | 21:48 |
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| Jaffa | If we got "Werewolf" ones, and swapped them as appropriate, it could make the games go more easily | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | villager and 'PNG guy' categories would be good | 21:51 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: I think GAN900 took a picture of "PNG guy". | 21:54 |
| gabrbedd | This guy walked in to my session mid-way, sat down on the front row, and went to sleep. | 21:54 |
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| gabrbedd | I was thinking, "Is this some homeless guy or something??" But he had a lanyard so... ?? | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: i saw several people related to oss that did in fact look like homeless guys | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect the difference is not big | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:56 |
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| gabrbedd | haha... yeah, that too | 21:58 |
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| alterego | That would be me! :) | 22:04 |
| * alterego makes an ubuntu live usb stick | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | nah, you looked like you showered | 22:05 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:05 |
| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 22:05 | |
| alterego | I do shower every day. | 22:05 |
| alterego | Sometimes twice if I get really smelly. | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | the MeeGo HoBo Award | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you find anyone stateside to have your beard shaped? | 22:15 |
| * lcuk let local barber shape his beard recently, was strange experience the first time | 22:15 | |
| lcuk | but certainly better than me trying to | 22:15 |
| DawnFoster | there were actually a few party crashers that the hotel recognized | 22:18 |
| DawnFoster | so could be a real hobo or bearded open source guy - can't tell :) | 22:18 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, the badge he was wearing might be a clue | 22:20 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: at a free conference, anyone can get a badge | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | the hacker lounge in Dublin was covered by the nice man at the entrance | 22:21 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, sure but takes foresight? | 22:21 |
| DawnFoster | we talked to the hotel and there are people who do this every day | 22:21 |
| lcuk | ie, the dublin one I thought it was preregistered only? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | oh for sure | 22:21 |
| DawnFoster | both allowed registration at the door | 22:21 |
| * lcuk watched wedding crashers | 22:22 | |
| DawnFoster | exactly! | 22:22 |
| DawnFoster | only easier because it's not family | 22:22 |
| lcuk | would people registering on the day have been eligable for ideapads (at dublin) ? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | gah I just did it again | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | reached for the mouse and grabbed n900 instead | 22:23 |
| * lcuk really should get mouse working | 22:23 | |
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| DawnFoster | I *think* the ideapads were preregistration only | 22:24 |
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| CosmoHill | what do the crashers get, free food? | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, coffee, lots of coffee | 22:37 |
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| sjokkis | DawnFoster: the conference in San Francisco was a couple of days ago, yeah? | 22:46 |
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| thiago | ended Wednesday | 22:47 |
| * thiago is still trying to recover from tiredness from it | 22:47 | |
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| sjokkis | did they hand out any bling this year? | 22:47 |
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| dm8tbr | there was this formidable nut mix that got handed out on monday. I was told | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I got given a bag of nuts for my birthday | 22:48 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5751457913/in/photostream/ | 22:49 |
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| CosmoHill | how was the camera this year? last year the sound was so quiet we had to all crank it up to hear anything | 22:51 |
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| Jaffa | CosmoHill: I believe it was similar on the live streaming | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: There were many complaints on IRC | 22:51 |
| dm8tbr | for me it was OKish with the sound, the camera operation also got fixed after they first day | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | i'd of thought it would have been different people, it being in different cities / countries | 22:52 |
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| dm8tbr | it's a totally different experience if you also see the slides | 22:53 |
| berndhs | it seems strange though that the video crews don't know that the whole presentation is interesting, not just the presenter | 22:53 |
| * CosmoHill makes a note not to cover his laptop in stickers | 22:53 | |
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| dm8tbr | berndhs: *cough* *cough* at least in tampere we made sure that you could see everything :) | 22:54 |
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| dm8tbr | even though the viewer numbers were quite low :( | 22:54 |
| berndhs | yeah, but why do you even have to tell them ? | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: cool hair | 22:55 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: what photo? | 23:19 |
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| berndhs | that's it, deny everything | 23:20 |
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| CosmoHill | alterego: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5759077586/in/photostream/ | 23:43 |
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| alterego | Aweful picture, but thanks :) | 23:48 |
| alterego | I always look cross eyed in photos and I don't know why | 23:49 |
| CosmoHill | best photos are ones that are just taken before the person can react | 23:50 |
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| CosmoHill | on a unrelated note, my eye drops really really hurt | 23:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:50 |
| alterego | My flight back was really good, I was sitting next to this really nice old american guy | 23:51 |
| alterego | and this really hot girl from the uk | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Did she have better hair than you? | 23:51 |
| alterego | She was astonishingly cool too, despite being paroxide blonde | 23:52 |
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| alterego | We spent most of the flight chatting about movies, then she passed out on my shoulder | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Peroxide!!! I'm surprised they let her on the plane. :) | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: aww | 23:52 |
| alterego | Shame I'll never get to see her again | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine I'd chat to anyone about anything on a plane just to get away from the fact that I'm on a plane | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: can't you stalk her on facebook? | 23:53 |
| alterego | She was a bit scared of flying, | 23:53 |
| alterego | I don't know her full name | 23:53 |
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| alterego | I just know she's called Olivia and lives in Chelmsford | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: you're shitting me | 23:54 |
| alterego | It's not an amazingly common name | 23:54 |
| * CosmoHill goes to text someone | 23:54 | |
| CosmoHill | wait, how old would you say she was? | 23:54 |
| alterego | How old is your friend? | 23:55 |
| alterego | I'm not even sure it's chelmsford tbh | 23:55 |
| berndhs | like I said, deny everything :) | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | 19~20 | 23:55 |
| alterego | No this girl was mid 20 | 23:55 |
| alterego | Was your friend in SF? ;) | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | my mates girlfriend is Olivia from Chelmsford | 23:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:56 |
| CosmoHill | might not be the same one | 23:56 |
| alterego | Probably not, | 23:56 |
| CosmoHill | how do you spell SF? | 23:56 |
| lcuk | SF | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | -.- | 23:57 |
| alterego | San Francisco | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 23:57 |
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| alterego | I wouldn't ask tbh, if it is then I don't want to cause a rift | 23:57 |
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| CosmoHill | shows you how old it's been since I used this phone, there are two c**ts in my recent contacts page | 23:58 |
| CosmoHill | s/old/long | 23:59 |
| CosmoHill | / | 23:59 |
| alterego | Hahah | 23:59 |
| alterego | Please don't ask | 23:59 |
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