IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2011-05-26

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pleytosHello, anyone here?00:04
CosmoHillno00:05
berndhsand the rest are leaving soon too00:05
pleytosgreat, has anyone heard what happend to the LG Meego presentation?00:05
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pleytoson the meego conference00:06
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pleytoswhy is everbody leaving, is the meeting over ?00:07
Stskeepspleytos: people have fligts00:08
Stskeepsflights00:08
* alterego yawns00:08
alteregoWhere the balls is Julian00:08
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pleytosflights to catch, to go home?00:09
alteregoYes00:09
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pleytosso is ther any news on an new meego phone other than the Nokia N900:11
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pleytosnot much talking going on here00:14
pleytoswhat is the ussual subject?00:14
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jykaepleytos: meego :)00:15
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costellohe is lying, actually it is titties and beer.00:15
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costellosome gathering going on at sf so it may be quiet in here.00:16
pleytosall 3 subjects are fine if you ask me00:16
costellonight-time -> zZzzZ.00:17
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pleytosyes, I hoped to get some news on lg smartphone plans, but i'll have to wait i gues00:17
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pleytosjykae: in what part of meego are you interested?00:18
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Stskeepspleytos: what they wanted to show was meego on existing devices, ie already launched stuff, not new products.. media misunderstood toally and thought it was final products00:18
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Stskeepspleytos: so having two engineers standing on stage getting attacked by the gadget press would probably be a marketing nightmare00:19
pleytosOk, didn't know that00:19
phdeswerStskeeps, sounds like lots of fun though :D00:20
pleytosstskeeps: do you know anything about future presentations/products of LG00:20
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jykaepleytos: development, development and development to mention some of my interests..00:21
jykaeespecially application development00:21
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pleytosgreat, always wanted to learn to develop, never got around to it00:22
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pleytosso the basic meego functions or the apps?00:23
pleytosow wait you already said that00:23
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pleytosany particular application? (do you use QT I guess?)00:24
lcukquestion: is it possible to put apps into the app stores if they are not qt but only depend upon the same subset of components as qt00:25
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alteregoCan some one tell me if they spot Julian from Rovio please.00:27
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specialalterego: he was in the hacker lounge just recently00:27
alteregoAh, great, thanks.00:28
Jay_BEEalterego: i ended up installing ubuntu 32-bit to get the sdk working... too many issues in 64-bit00:28
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Stskeepspleytos: have no idea, ask LG :)00:29
pleytosOk thanks00:30
jykaeStskeeps: nice n900 DE presentation btw :)00:30
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Stskeepsjykae: ta00:31
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jykaewaiting eagerly to hear more from jukka when you get back finland00:32
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jykaethat local device program sounds also promising for meego-fi00:33
pleytosgood night/day!00:41
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lcuki have cheese installed on my ideapad meego, but it only seems to do screenshots at a slow rate and has motion blur00:43
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lcukscreenshots like this: http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg00:43
lcukwhen I use my n900 to do recording it is crisp and smooth, but using the webcam seems to be totally different00:44
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jykaelcuk: drivers..00:46
Jay_BEEfor those using meego on hybrid netbook/tablets like the ideapad s10-3t, was it ever made possible to switch between the tablet and netbook ux?00:48
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lcukJay_BEE, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#UXSelect_Switcher_Tool_.28alpha.2900:54
lcuk:P00:54
lcukno crickets00:54
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lcukwas advanced00:54
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Jay_BEEthanks lcuk, I recall there was some talk around it, but never found out the outcome00:58
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Jay_BEEsomeone please remind me tonight to install the latest meego 1.2 pinetrail image to the tabby01:11
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CosmoHillnight night01:14
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SpeedEvilot: pandaboard - wow06:19
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akkwant :)06:22
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iekkumorning and good night :D07:18
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iekkuhi yanshuang07:28
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priyanka_ Hi has anybody used can driver for CAN104 PCI card on meego ivi?08:02
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spark__jinhello?10:07
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spark__jinI am newer to Meego-Dev. The Code-Completion not work for QMobility ?? Such as QMediaPlayer10:09
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spark__jinQt-Creator-code-completion-not-working-with-Qt-Mobility ?? any solution, thx.10:13
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Michael_BehmanGood morning everyone, I was wondering if there were tutorials on how to download, modify and test the meego source code. Or do I download the Linux kernel, apply the patches, and discover on my own?12:17
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lcukMichael_Behman, http://developer.meego.com/12:34
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andre__lcuk, sleeping? no way! :-P13:10
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lardmanandre__: he sleeps with his eyes open, be careful13:10
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lardmanAnyone know of any screen shots of the Calendar app (which is on N900DE)?13:29
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verehh, meego netbook isn't supported on the t91mt? :(13:48
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javispedrodo they talk about QML in the appup application labs sessions? I mean, more than a few seconds?13:58
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* javispedro is kinda interested in a hands-on qml session14:03
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bkalingaCoreServiceTestGUI: cannot connect to X server 0.014:12
bkalingaecho $DISPLAY 0.014:13
bkalingain MeeGo 1.2 Netbook SDK14:13
bkalinganot able to launch a GUI application14:13
bkalingaany idea14:13
doneilldoes x run?14:14
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doneillor rather, is it running?  on that display?14:14
doneillafaik 1.2 runs x on :7 or :9 or something14:15
bkalingaso how do i check that14:16
bkalingai manually export DISPLAY=0.014:17
bkalingabefore launching the app14:17
bkalingathat i used to do in 1.2 handset qemu14:17
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doneillps aux | grep X i think14:17
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bkalingaroot       349  0.2  2.1  28128 18924 tty2     Ss+  11:09   0:01 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -dpi 120 -nolisten tcp -noreset -auth /home/meego/.Xauthority vt214:18
doneilllooks right, :0 too14:18
doneillwait14:18
doneillnot 0.0, :0.014:18
slainewhat user are you running the test gui ?14:18
doneillyou need the colon14:19
eg81export DISPLAY=:014:19
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bkalingaecho $DISPLAY14:19
bkalinga:0.014:19
slaine" manually export DISPLAY=0.0" ahh, yeah, there's your problem14:19
slaineDISPLAY=:014:20
slainewhat eg81 said14:20
eg81bkalinga: and what user you are using (slaine asked that)14:20
bkalingaexport DISPLAY=:014:20
bkalinga./CoreServiceTestGUI14:20
slaineyou can't be the root user, being the point14:21
bkalingastill then also no output in my netbook QEMU14:21
bkalingawhoami meego14:21
bkalinga-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   15228 2011-05-26 14:07 CoreServiceTestGUI14:21
bkalingais this OK14:21
slainecan you run any program against he x14:21
slainethe x14:21
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slaineDISPLAY=:0 xterm14:22
slaineor whatever14:22
bkalingai dont find messaging or fennec in this runtime14:23
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bkalingawhich app I can start from command line to test this14:23
slaineI don't use the SDK so I'm not sure14:24
slainegnome-terminal should be there14:24
bkalingai deploy the CoreServiceTestGUI which is in /usr/local/bin14:25
bkalingafrom qtcreator14:25
bkalinga slaine: After i do that i see a terminal14:27
bkalingaonce i closed that i can see my app also14:27
slainecool14:27
bkalingaseems i was frozen and launched in background14:28
bkalingasorry not I it was14:28
bkalinga:)14:28
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lcukthe Dance mat guy14:52
lcukwas talking about exopc and lenovo ideapads14:53
lcukand that the exopc had higher spec, and could run stuff better without framedrop14:53
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* lcuk still finds the ideapad extremely overpowered and wondering just what difference upto the exopc there is14:54
lcukI just got back from Jakes school, took my ideapad and showed them progression of his writing and skills and what we do in the house with it to help organise his time and remind him of achievements and stuff :)14:56
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doneilli love the ideapad.14:56
lcukdoneill, which OS is on it?14:57
doneilldebian linux of course14:57
lcukI like it because it stands up on its own and is able to sit at the side of me in the corner of my eye14:57
guyzmohi14:58
lcukdoneill, did you buy it for that reason?14:58
doneillcool, thats why i like my wife.14:58
guyzmocan anyone advice me a RTFM to get more codecs working on meego 1.2 ?14:58
doneillnah i got it because a cheap replacement charger for my eee 701 fried it14:59
guyzmo(I mean, I'm looking forward a "meego way of installing them", if that's just download and compile, I don't need a RTFM...)14:59
doneilland my t91mt arrived broken.  i needed a stopgap while it got replaced14:59
javispedromy only gripe with the ideapad is that it falls apart with use14:59
doneillhaha15:00
javispedroI still wonder where I could buy replacement rubber tops..15:00
lcukjavispedro, which bits broke on yours?15:00
lcukrubber tops?15:00
javispedroall four small rubber legs15:00
lcukon the underside of the keyboard?15:00
guyzmohave you guys enabled mulitouch on the different UIs on meego netbook version on the ideapad ?15:00
javispedroyep15:00
lcukguyzmo, codecs15:01
guyzmo(like in chromium)15:01
javispedrolcuk: never had to use the phrase, how are those usually called?15:01
lcukafaik the netbook build has more15:01
RST38hrubber feet? =)15:01
lcukwhat UX and hardware are you running?15:01
guyzmonetbook and ideapad s10-3t15:01
lcukjavispedro, there are 2 sets though15:01
javispedroRST38h: thanks15:01
lcukthose on the screen bezel15:01
lcukand those under the keyboard15:02
lcukhow did you pull them off?15:02
javispedrolcuk: I've lost both the ones under the battery as well as the ones under the keyboard15:02
javispedrolcuk: they just fell. first time I've seen it happen :D15:02
doneilli actually want meego on my t91mt but the installer fails so very hard.15:02
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lcukbug 1806115:31
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18061 nor, Undecided, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, [DE] Top half of image taken with camera application consists of artefacts15:31
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vnayaniI am looking for access to community OBS , Is there any one who can give me .? My meego login is vnayani15:47
* CosmoHill pokes lbt and X-Fade 15:48
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veram i the only developer who has had no luck getting meego to run in any capacity anywhere?15:49
veror is this sorta normal?15:49
balkanhey guys, whereis xorg log file in meego 1.2 for netbooks15:49
balkanit is not in usual place, /var/log/Xorg.log15:50
balkandoes anyone know?15:50
lcukvnayani, as CosmoHill said, the main people lbt and X-Fade are around conferencing at the moment and might be a bit delayed15:50
CosmoHillbalkan: type "rpm -ql X11 | grep "*.log" "15:50
lcukCosmoHill, listing all files in packages matching X11 ?15:51
CosmoHilllcuk: yep15:51
lcukthen grepping to the specific logs?15:51
lcuknice15:51
vnayaniluck: No issues , Would wait. Any how thx for this.15:51
balkan@CosmoHill no output15:51
CosmoHillof course I don't knwo the name of the package, try Xorg or something15:51
verhehe15:51
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* lcuk starting to understand ancient elven language :D15:52
balkan@CosmoHill  rpm -ql X11  even says  package X11 not iinstalled15:52
balkanhow come15:52
CosmoHillbalkan: probably cos it's called xorg or something else15:52
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balkan@ComsoHill alright rpm -aq |grep -i Xorg returns bunch of packages now15:53
balkando I have to install another package to get the Xorg logs15:54
jsvxorg-server-something, iirc, but -ql won't show any files it creates runtime15:54
CosmoHillbalkan: no, you need to find out which one has the logs15:54
CosmoHilljsv: that's a point15:54
* lcuk has borkened laptop15:54
* lcuk replaces laptop with tiled array of n900s15:54
CosmoHillbalkan: find /vat/log - name "*org*"15:54
balkan@CosmoHill  there are lots of log files exists in /var/log but none for Xorg15:55
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slaineit's actually in /tmp/Xorg.0.log for some reason15:57
CosmoHillI never thought to look in /tmp15:58
slainewho would15:58
* slaine obviously did15:58
balkan@slaine oh thanks15:58
CosmoHillmakes it kind hard to check to see why your system crashed tho15:58
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lcukhi slaine \o15:59
slainehi lcuk, keeping well I hope16:00
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lcukyes actually :)16:00
* lcuk is getting many things sorted slowly but surely16:01
slainethats great lcuk16:01
* slaine is getting his ass kicked by proprietary touchscreen drivers. 16:01
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alteregoHey slaine16:03
tomeuslaine: just curious, which one?16:03
alteregolcuk: would have been nice to see you.16:03
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slainetomeu: penmount 6000 rs23216:03
lcukalterego, many opportunities for that16:03
slainealterego: you back home already ?16:03
alteregoAnd it was really awesome meeting all the guys, even if I felt like a little bit of an outsider, but still, got a lot of good contacts, info and ideas16:03
lcukhoping to find a way to organise manchester meetup at some point16:03
alteregoslaine: literally just landed yeah16:04
lcukand Birmingham is growing nicely so might be good middle ground16:04
slainealterego: welcome come then16:04
lcukLondon is simple to get to as another alternative16:04
alteregoI was talking to MeeGoExperts about b'ham16:04
lcukalterego, I find whenever I travel to conferences my ideas expand16:04
slaineAh, think I just found the missing piece16:04
alteregoYeah, London is a pretty decent venue I think.16:04
slainere the penmount16:04
alteregoIt is a good hub16:04
lcukand in the pauses during travelling (airports train stations trains buses etc) I write those ideas down more16:05
alteregolcuk: yeah, I was talking to the conboy author, said I'd help him port it to Qt16:05
lcukslaine, penmount?16:05
alteregoI'm gonna be spending some time porting Qt apps from maemo to meego16:05
slainelcuk: touchscreen manufacturer16:06
lcukslaine, actual pen driven large format?16:06
* lcuk should pickup some old style slates actually for this purpose16:06
lcukbut having spare cash for such things is tough16:06
slainelcuk: no, though probably originally that's where they got the name16:06
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lcukI am going to write a local app16:06
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slainejust a plain old resistive touchscreen16:07
lcukusing GPS and simple mapping, tie it in with accelerometers and show where potholes/bumps in the road are worse16:07
lcukslaine, I have had various screens in the past16:07
lcukbefore I had liqbase16:07
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lcukwhich were pen driven but not resistive16:07
balkananyone else having "exceeds panel dimensions" error in their Xorg log file or is it just me? I am unable to use resolution in debian on meego16:08
* lcuk cannot remember the tech description16:08
slainelcuk, I always get confused, there's been a few alright16:08
SpeedEvillcuk: you've seen the meego device application program thigny?16:08
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SpeedEvillcuk: I'd say you should definately qualify.16:08
lcukSpeedEvil, I have16:08
lcuk#16:08
lcukbut the only devices I have seen I have16:08
lcukmy ideapad is awesome16:08
lcuki dont want an exopc or something without a keyboard16:09
lcukand I have n90016:09
lcukwhich is the best workhorse out there and principle target16:09
SpeedEvilyep.16:09
lcukmake software work REALLY well on n90016:09
SpeedEviln900 is 76% awesome.16:09
lcukand it will fly on everything else16:09
SpeedEvilThe other 24% is me drooling over the pandaboard.16:09
lcukpandaboard (and beagle before it) were dev kits16:10
lcukand not working products16:10
SpeedEvilWell - yes.16:10
SpeedEvilI kinda know that.16:10
lcukI have desire for wall mounted thingies16:10
lcukbut my ideapad does that job atm16:10
SpeedEvilThough I'm sorta considering pandaboard + ipad screen in old laptop shell.16:10
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SpeedEvilWhich is probably silly.16:10
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espen77hmm...having some problems with installing the 1.2 immage...it seem to hang at a random place during the installation.....tried different downloads and usb sticks.....1.1.x installs fine on same computer.16:12
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lcukSpeedEvil, silly view of how the idepad and n900 and laptop sit16:14
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg16:14
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lcukbecause it is a laptop it sits in corner of my eye but is on the wall16:14
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lcukespen77, check for bugs16:14
lcukusing the image filename as a kerstring in bugzilla perhaps16:15
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lcukCosmoHill, you are normally interested in such photos too :P16:16
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CosmoHilloo16:17
* lcuk looking for a wall mount for something like the galaxy tab for the calendar in the kitchen or near the front door16:18
CosmoHilllcuk: you'll like some of the pics of my new desktop, cooler just about fits in16:18
SpeedEvillcuk: What's the thinkpad?16:18
lcukx200s16:18
SpeedEvilOh16:18
lcukwith a broken screen!16:18
* lcuk found supplier for a new one and going getting it tomorrow16:18
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lcuki explained and showed meego liqbase ideapad to jakes school teacher today at his review meeting16:19
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SpeedEvil:)16:19
lcukand was able to show them all the things we as a household use it for16:19
CosmoHilllcuk: cool16:20
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lcuk(he is autistic and obviously finding positive things which help is good, and this certainly has helped him and us)16:21
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alteregoThat's awesome16:22
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alteregoThink I'm gonna go dark for a bit16:23
lcukalterego, sleep well.16:24
CosmoHillalterego: that's not what shoe polish is meant for16:25
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slaineCosmoHill: rofl16:36
slainelcuk, that's cool16:36
lcukslaine, it was cool when I first wrote it16:37
lcuknow it is an essential part of our household :)16:37
slaineI meant the later part and how it's helping your son16:38
lcukslaine, I do too :)16:38
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slaineI already new libqbase was cool from some of your youtube vids16:38
lcukslaine, I have the very first smiley face he ever drew on the system and have seen a whole evolution of his skills (and mine too!)16:39
slaineCosmoHill: have you considered velcro ?16:39
CosmoHillI got some on my swim shorts, not good when it gets stuck on your leg hair :/16:40
slainehttp://vimeo.com/1188655716:40
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lcukEvolution of an idea:  Brightness selection dialog: Notes: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110525_162059.liqrecentsketches_classic.scr.png  implementation: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png16:41
CosmoHillslaine: awesome16:42
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SpeedEvilCosmoHill: It's _much_ more annoying when it's a teeny fly between the backlight and the panel.16:44
SpeedEvilCosmoHill: Especially if it dies.16:44
CosmoHillTHUNDER BUGS16:45
CosmoHillI got one in each monitor16:45
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lcuk<lcuk> You know the image build is getting better every day when _________________________________________________ ?16:52
lcuk<lcuk> (a) you can last a day doing regular tasks16:52
lcuk<lcuk> (b) you are using a 4 day old image and filling in data16:52
lcuk<lcuk> (c) You realise you are picking up test device instead of main one16:52
lcuk<lcuk> :)16:52
CosmoHilloooo16:54
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lcuk<lcuk> lardman, also, looking to import actual data and trying to update rather than reflash is next big ones16:55
* CosmoHill is actually cutting down on his devices16:55
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CosmoHillI opened the car door and it just about opened, filled up the car and closed the door. Of the the car was a little be lower and I made a massive mark on my dad's car :o16:56
CosmoHillthankfully it rubbed off :)16:56
lcuk3/5 devices run maemo/meego 1 ubuntu and one windows16:56
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CosmoHill1 mac laptop, 1 dual boot laptop win / RHEL, 1 server running BSL (my distro) and a new desktop running windows + others16:57
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slaineI've too many devices, so my wife says anyway17:13
CosmoHillall my stuff has to stay in my bedroom17:13
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lcuk~seen gabrbedd17:24
infobotgabrbedd <~gabrbedd@204-16-154-129-static.ipnetworksinc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 23h 7m 58s ago, saying: 'timeless_w7ip: Are you in the hacker lounge?'.17:25
CosmoHilllcuk: he's in my basement17:25
lcukwell ask him whether he would put other musicians/dj apps on with his indamixx meego tablet17:25
lcukso for instance if a team of meego guys put together a group app17:26
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qgilMeeGo Conference RESOLVED FIXED, can someone please verify?  ;)18:42
lardman:)18:42
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qgilit was good to get an update on apps.meego.com - I think the best I can do in the MeeGo context is to help pushing that project to completion18:43
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SpeedEvilSome sort of central OS app-store type thingy has to be there.18:46
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SpeedEvilIt's an important bit.18:46
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qgilSpeedEvil: it's being worked on, see http://apps-beta.meego.com/19:00
SpeedEvilI saw that pointed at at the conference.19:00
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SpeedEvilI need to install DE and have a play19:00
iekkuSpeedEvil, thumb up for that19:01
qgilSpeedEvil: I'm not sure they are integrated yet, but they should. DE needs testers!  :)19:01
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iekkui'm so proud of our de guys and the work what they have done19:05
SpeedEvilWhat is google saying? http://correlate.googlelabs.com/search?e=meego&e=poorly%20dressed&t=weekly#19:05
berndhsSpeedEvil: that is coincidence of timing. MeeGo has been popular for about the same time as princess Kate19:06
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SpeedEvil:)19:07
SpeedEvilhttp://correlate.googlelabs.com/search?e=kittens&e=mango%20chutney&t=weekly# is my favourite result so far.19:07
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_Lenhi, i just installed meego and im trying to install my wireless card, but with no sucess. I've tried ndiswrapper and this tutorial http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html. Following the tutorial i get a error when I'm about to rebuild rpm. Says i need kernel-netbook-devel but i dont have any package like that to install throught zypper19:15
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CosmoHillzypper search kernel19:16
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_LenCosmoHill: has Kernel-devel19:17
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CosmoHillinstall that19:17
_LenI did already19:17
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_Lenbut still asks for kernel-netbook-devel19:17
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_LenI've tryed to patch rpm to rename dependency but I had no success (didn't even rebuild)19:18
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_LenCosmoHill: anything I can do?19:20
CosmoHillwait for slaine19:20
_Lenhe hangs around here?19:20
CosmoHillyep19:20
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_Lenwhich time usually?19:20
CosmoHillgive it an hour or so19:21
_LenOk good. Thank you19:21
CosmoHillunless he's on a plane...19:21
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_Lenoh well, let's hope he's not XD19:23
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lcuk_Len,19:29
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Tips_on_compiling_and_packaging_kernels_in_MeeGo19:29
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lcukNote that all the examples here will use the (now obsolete) `kernel-netbook` package as an example. Please substitute the name of the kernel package you're working with. To figure out which one you're currently running, this command will tell you:19:29
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_Lenlcuk: which command?19:32
_Lenuname -r?19:32
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lcuk_Len, RTFM19:34
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lcukI gave a link to it with the command and stuff19:34
timophlcuk: o/19:34
* lcuk hopes that solves your problem19:34
lcukhiya timoph \o19:34
lcukhow is SF?19:34
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timophsunny and windy :)19:34
lcuksounds good19:35
timophyep19:35
lcukdid you learn much and talk with many?19:35
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timophtalk yes and even managed to learn something19:35
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timophi still have a couple of hours to kill before going to the airport19:36
timophplanning to go for a few hour walk19:37
_Lenluck: With this tutorial you gave me I think i can compile kernel, but I don't know excatly what should I do or what files can I change to get the wireless device working.19:37
Stskeepsgo past staples19:37
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lcuktimoph, in every city I have been in, the most important part has been the home journey, if you do not have already, get some paper and pencil19:45
lcuk:)19:45
lcukor like me use digital version19:45
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varunss1hello21:22
varunss1i need help in installing meego21:22
varunss1i have power kernel v47 installed21:22
varunss1s thr anyway to install uboot21:22
varunss1last time i tried it failed to boot21:22
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_Lenwell i think i'll have to solve wireless issue other day22:22
_Lenbye guys22:23
_Lenthx for attention22:23
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lcuk~seen dgbrow2x22:25
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infoboti haven't seen 'dgbrow2x', lcuk22:25
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* lcuk goes into #liqbase after bowling22:26
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delaccan I obtain the location from Location API based on a IP?23:57
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delacor is it purely GPS or Cell based?23:57
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CosmoHilldelac: there is a way, firefox used it to show you where the downloads were coming from right down to the town23:58
CosmoHillduno what it's called tho23:58

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