IRC log of #meego for Monday, 2011-05-23

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* Sage_ is attending to the intel appup.00:05
lcukended up 2.5x faster than before: 3816816641 bytes (3.8 GB) copied, 2382.24 s, 1.6 MB/s00:08
tim___meego needs more support for the wifi cards00:08
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lcuktim___, *linux* needs more support for open source wifi card drivers.00:09
lcuk(at least that is my understanding of this issue)00:09
lcukie, this is not a meego problem but meego by default does not ship closed drivers00:10
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lcuk(please someone correct me if I am wrong about this)00:10
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* timeless_xchat is in a workshop for intel app up or something 00:20
* Jay_BEE raises his hand in the Intel session to ask "what is RPM?"00:20
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TSCHAKeeerofl00:20
timeless_xchati can show this00:21
timeless_xchatlet me try this00:21
timeless_xchat(error)00:21
timeless_xchatoh, no, i can't00:21
Jay_BEEheh.00:21
tim___i deffinately wont be using meego is doesnt wont to connect to the internet even with ethernet00:21
dsampleHi.  I've just installed an Ubuntu VM so I could install the MeeGo 1.2 SDK, but I'm getting loads of errors within the installer about processes crashing... anybody able to troubleshoot?00:22
timeless_xchatjay_bee: now's your chance to ask about rpm :)00:22
Jay_BEElol...I doubt I will need to ask such inane questions00:23
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Jay_BEEthey may already be incoming from others present...00:23
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smokuoh. how sweet.   btrfs on my rootfs just fallen apart.  kernel panics on trying to mount it00:28
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sofarsmoku: version? able to capture the screen?00:32
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ieatlintwell, i'm not as impressed with the meego 1.2 tablet release as i'd like … QAudioInput: "Unable to create a connection to the pulseaudio context" followed by a hung application00:35
ieatlintunless there's a permission system i'm missing about meego00:36
smokusofar, 1.2 with 2.6.39 kernel.00:37
smokufunny - booting 2.6.37.2 fixed it00:37
sofarwhut? 1.2 with 2.6.39?00:38
sofarthat does not compute :)00:38
ieatlintthose getting tablets from intel, note that they are provided with meego 1.1.90 (aka "1.2 pre-alpha"), and NOT the current 1.2 tablet developer preview as released may 17 here https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview00:39
sofarI didn't know there was nother giveaway00:39
sofarluckily, I won't get one probably again :)00:39
ieatlintwhich comes for me as "Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.38.2-8.12-adaptation-pinetrail #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 16 19:10:07 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux"00:39
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ieatlintyou either need to have one in hand now, or be watching an intel guy talk about the appup store to get one00:40
ieatlintif you're not in the talk right now, you're SOL00:40
ieatlintit's a decent talk otherwise :)00:40
Jay_BEEagreed.... good questions this time around00:42
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ieatlintthe presenters know what they're talking about too00:42
Jay_BEEbut still itchin to ask "what does SDK stand for?"00:42
sofarI work for intel... so00:42
ieatlintask about PNG00:42
sofarno freebies lol00:42
sofarah well, I'll be around on the conference tomorrow00:43
smokusofar, you install 1.2 and then compile 2.6.39 on your own.   is that something unbelievable?00:44
sofarsmoku: you didn't mention that.00:44
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sofarif you want a newer kernel, why not get the one from trunk? it's at 39rc600:44
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smokusofar, because I'm testing a freezing wfi driver, and trunk does not contain my custom changes? :)00:45
sofarwhich driver?00:45
smokulibertas_sdio00:46
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sofarahhh the good old libertas00:46
sofarsucks that it hangs00:46
smokuit freezes my machine completely on loading the firmware :/00:46
ieatlintyeah, sadly the ability to connect to qtmultimediakit on the tablet 1.2 image is not present00:52
ieatlintinstead it just hangs the app :(00:52
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* zehjotkah is sitting in the hacker lounge and is bored01:04
* zehjotkah doesn't have a harmattan device to play with with him.... :(01:05
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MohammadAGwho does? :P01:05
zehjotkahmany01:05
zehjotkahyeah, already a lot01:05
zehjotkahare you here Mohammad?01:06
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zehjotkahanywhere in SF01:06
MohammadAGsadly, nope :/01:06
zehjotkah:(01:06
zehjotkahhaven't you got sponsoring or haven't you asked?01:07
MohammadAGI didn't ask, I have an exam on the 25th01:07
zehjotkahunderstnad01:07
tim___meego sdk is erroring01:07
zehjotkahgood luck with your exam01:07
MohammadAGthanks :)01:07
zehjotkah:)01:07
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MohammadAGzehjotkah, what harmattan devices btw? :P01:09
MohammadAGonly device I heard of today was the ExoPC01:09
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zehjotkahoriginally it was planned that nokias harmattan dev device would be distributed at the conference01:10
zehjotkahon monday or so01:10
zehjotkahnow they told me that they don't have enough devices01:10
zehjotkahwhich is ridiculous01:10
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ShadowJKif they want to get rid of them they could have a lottery01:15
ShadowJKor bingo01:15
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timeless_xchatsivang: what's that url i need?01:18
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lcuk_so I am using meego netbookk as a netbookk01:21
lcuk_and zones is pretty crap - with only 5 apps open, I can see so little of the titlebar that it is random which I am selecting01:22
* ShadowJK counts open apps on his n900: 1001:23
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ShadowJKmy n900 > your netbook :D01:23
DocScrutinizer:-D01:24
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lcuk_ShadowJK: my old n810, 2 years ago, 54: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png01:35
ShadowJKdude my N900 froze trying to open that image01:36
lcuk_ShadowJK: yeah, I exported that differently to on screen01:37
lcuk_but apps worded fine just tiny thumbnails and some lag when zooming but otherwise fine01:37
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blauzahlhey, is this the official meego conference channel? or is there another?01:56
lcuk#meegoconf01:56
bosslcuk: Error: "meegoconf" is not a valid command.01:56
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mikhaskuzak, ping02:31
blauzahlthanks lcuk!02:34
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mikeleiblbt900: click your heals together three times and say "there's no place like #meegoconf"03:36
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b-man`err03:43
b-man`fss damn client :P03:43
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iekku:D03:43
* mikeleib makes another wizard of ozz joke for b-man` too03:44
b-man`lol03:44
lbt900nice to have company03:46
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TSCHAKeeehttp://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228083_10150178407707115_716957114_7057091_7453341_n.jpg :D04:12
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sivanghey all, I'm looking for the URL to where to submit another session, can anybody please paste it?04:23
sivanggoogle fails finding it, an sf2011.meego.com fails showing it to me :)04:23
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iekkuhmmm, silent channel05:02
akkeverybody's partying in SF, probably05:02
iekkuso am i :D05:02
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MyrttiI'm just at the hotel room enjoying the evening sun and playing with my slides and LaTeX05:04
iekkui'm laying at the bed, trying not to fall a sleep05:05
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pethamshow do i find out if the tablet is running the latest release?06:52
clbrdoes /etc/meego-release help?06:53
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pethamsOk. let me see if i can find something useful on /etc/meego-release. thanks clbr!!06:54
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pethamsYes. That helps. mine is running 1.1.90 and there is a latest available ver 1.2. Thanks again.06:59
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bkalinga  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Error during installation process(com.meego.sdk.targets.netbook.ia32.1_2_0): Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 1): "/home/kalinga/.config/meego.com/sdk/tm/create_target.sh meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0"07:52
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bkalingaCan not find '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/qt-tools-4.7.2-linux_i686.tar.gz' -- no such file.07:59
bkalingaI am getting above error while installing MeeGo1.2 SDK07:59
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MyrttiI just love geany08:19
Myrttican compile and display my slideset with two pushes of a button08:19
* mikeleib tries to make slides in QML and finds it a little trickier than beamer08:20
Myrttibeamer ♥08:20
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ahkoksoffice all the way here08:20
Myrttibleh08:20
ahkoklol08:20
mikeleibblaf08:20
* mikeleib has no love for impress08:21
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ahkoksorry, no QML here :P08:21
MyrttiI wouldn't have it at all if I didn't have friends and colleagues who use silly formats08:21
Myrttiahkok: LaTeX ♥08:21
ahkokcurse of working at intel08:21
thiagomikeleib: gunnar made some slide elements for QML08:21
ahkok95% of the company uses microsoft office08:21
thiagolars and gunnar will use it08:21
mikeleibthiago: oh yah08:21
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mikeleibwhere's teh code?08:22
thiagoerm, lars and jørgen08:22
mikeleibmy slide element is teh sux08:22
thiagoyou'll have to ask jørgen tomorrow08:22
ahkokmikeleib, when is your talk?08:22
mikeleibtuesday morn08:22
thiagohis presentation has a nice twist though :)08:22
ahkokI'm blessed with having a day tomorrow to finish them up too :)08:22
mikeleiblars?08:22
thiagolars is tuesday in the timeslot after yours08:22
bkalingaanybody successfully installed 1.2 on ubuntu 10.0408:22
thiagoin the big roo08:22
ahkokok, time for a beer, and then pack bags for tomorrow08:22
thiagoroom08:23
mikeleibaha08:23
ahkokI'm suspecting that they booked me in the tiniest room on tuesday08:23
ahkokMyrtti, are you attending the conference this time?08:23
mikeleibI'm running against Min and at least a few other interested talks.  Plus, everybody should be hung over from the night before08:24
mikeleibiirc, Myrtti is speaking08:24
Myrttiahkok: I've got a BoF session on Tuesday :-)08:24
thiagoahkok: you're in Bayview A-B, which is for 200 people08:24
thiagothe big room is 700; then there are 3 rooms for 200, then two of 11008:24
mikeleibis thiago having a good time?08:25
thiagoyeah, but also a jetlagged time08:25
ahkokmikeleib, I'm right after your talk08:25
thiagotrying to stay awake so I don't fall asleep tomorrow during the welcome reception08:25
ahkokah08:25
ahkokwow, 20008:25
* ahkok giggles08:26
mikeleibahkok: after my talk, whatever you do will have the audience excited08:26
thiagoyou guys are not coming for the keynotes?08:26
ahkokI'm on the 8am shuttle to SJC tomorrow morning08:27
ahkokI doubt I'll be there by 1108:27
thiagoin time for the free lunch then08:27
* mikeleib arrives in SFO at 9:3008:27
* mikeleib flies commercial :(08:27
ahkokSFO isn't bad08:27
ahkok40 minutes to downtown on the bart08:27
mikeleibnot as relaxing as HIO, though08:28
thiagoOSL is pretty good too08:28
ahkoklol08:28
thiagoI've done my door-jetway gate in 55 minutes08:29
mikeleiboddly enough, the copenhagen airport seemed outright cozy08:29
ahkokmikeleib, just made a xchat rpm for MeeGo08:29
mikeleib??08:29
mikeleibemacs is already packaged.. irc client is included08:29
ahkokno more empathy isc *g*08:29
ahkokwhat is emacs?08:29
thiagoahkok: wrong question08:29
mikeleibit's that thing eating most of your ram08:29
thiagothe question is "what isn't emacs"08:29
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ahkokthiago, easy answer: everything on this box ;)08:30
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* mikeleib #meego's via erc.. it's nice08:30
ahkokalso, most of my ram is ... unused08:30
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mikeleibinsert rant here about not being able to measure free memory in leeenux easily08:31
ahkokwhich is hilareous since this laptop has 4gb memory but meego only sees 108:31
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thiagomikeleib: free memory actually is easy. Measuring how much one app takes, however, that is hard.08:31
ahkokeh, top -> total - cached08:31
thiagoahkok: 32-bit kernel with no high-mem?08:32
ahkokeasy enough08:32
ahkokthiago, standard trunk kernel, yup08:32
mikeleibthiago: free lies08:32
ahkokCONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y08:32
mikeleibor rather "/usr/bin/free" lies08:32
Myrttiirssi ftw08:32
* thiago proposes to bring back DOS's "loadhigh" command08:33
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mikeleibput resources on x32 and make kernel go 64-bit08:33
ahkokmikeleib, that's in the plan08:33
ahkokwell08:33
ahkokwish list08:33
thiagomikeleib: the kernel doesn't need to be x32. It can simply be 64-bit, can't it?08:33
ahkokthiago, yes08:33
ahkokit will actually help performance if we do08:34
ahkokthe problem is that highmem is a pig performance wise08:34
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mikeleibthiago: just slight variation for syscall table, IIRC08:34
thiagowhy?08:34
thiago64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland, that's what OSX did on PPC, Solaris did too for a while08:35
mikeleib64-bit syscall table expects 64-bit ptrs in param, IIRC08:35
thiagothe only thing I can think of that we'd want to change is the actuall syscall method08:35
thiagoright, I meant the 32-bit syscall table08:35
thiagoit's already compiled in08:36
mikeleibI think the stack switch needs to be adjusted for the different PCS08:36
mikeleibfrom what I understand it's like a map.. not a big deal08:36
thiagoyeah, the actual sysenter/syscall08:36
* mikeleib tries to recall ATPCS by rote like he used to be able to08:37
thiagobetter to use the registers in the parameter-passing order, instead of what 32-bit does08:37
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mikeleibjah08:38
thiagoand, of course, the return-from-kernel mode needs to return to long mode, not 32-bit mode08:39
ahkokanyway, I don't think we'll get it in 1.308:39
mikeleib1.3 is still rainbows and unicorns08:39
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mikeleibit *could* happen08:40
ahkokthere's plenty already in 1.308:40
thiagokrh told me he wants wayland in 1.308:40
Stskeepsmikeleib: pink unicorns08:40
mikeleibif there was a large team of folks to work on it and boil the appropriate oceans08:40
mikeleibStskeeps: that fart rainbows08:40
thiagosing the magic incantations08:40
ahkokwayland will likely make 1.308:40
ahkokthe problem is that we might not have anything using it08:41
mikeleibI, for one, welcome our new compositing overlords08:41
ahkokother than some dev projects08:41
* Stskeeps could believe in wayland for 1.3, both x86 and arm08:41
ahkoksystemd is in 1.3 XD08:41
ahkokpretty much all repos broke lol08:41
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ahkokchkconfig bwahaha08:41
ahkokhmm, I should make a slide about that :)08:42
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* thiago remembers when pulseaudio broke all linux distros08:45
thiagodoes anyone see a pattern? :)08:45
ahkokthiago, that was yesterday ;)08:45
arthiago: not really. it didn't break the ones, where it was optional08:46
* thiago still has it disabled08:46
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aralso, systemd is one of the things that actually work08:46
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ahkokseems like anaZ broke trunk worse than me with the merge of rpm508:55
Stskeeps4.908:55
thiagoI think we need a session on RPM for the conference then08:56
ahkok4.9 right08:56
thiagoStskeeps: new session submitted08:56
thiagosivang: ping, are you there?08:57
thiagosivang: unping08:57
Stskeepssivang: please prefix with BoF:08:58
thiagodone that for him08:58
Stskeepsk08:58
* thiago edited the title08:58
thiagothe last sentence in the summary says "this bof is for you"08:58
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thiagoStskeeps: time suggestion: Tuesday, last slot09:00
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StskeepsYes+ACK from me. sivang: i'd say something else than 'if you are a pilot'09:02
* Stskeeps has to get some sleep09:02
Stskeepsnite09:02
* ahkok still needs to pack09:03
* thiago too09:03
thiagowell, sleep, not pack09:03
* mikeleib packs09:03
mikeleibnight all09:03
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bkalingahi all, my old madde installation got corrupted due to   new installation for meego1.2 which eventually failed09:57
bkalinganow i am unable to run mad-admin list from my Old Madde installation09:57
bkalingaanyway i can patch the old installation09:58
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bkalingais shows a broken link for mad, and mad-admin09:58
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tim_____anyone know where i can buy a meego netbook12:11
tim_____the meego website should sell netbooks12:12
Tm_Tmeego as a project is not about selling hardware12:13
tim_____they should itll make life alot easier than buying a supported netbook that has windows which i dont want to pay microsoft if ill be using meego12:14
Tm_Ttim_____: I think the selling of meego hardware is job of other factions than meego project12:15
Tm_Tlike, well, hardware vendors12:15
toninikk1nenif there are companies selling meego netbooks, maybe it would be nice to have a list of those on meego.com (if not already)12:15
Tm_Ttoninikk1nen: sure, but still meego.com shouldn't be the place to _sell_ them (:12:16
toninikk1neni agree12:16
Tm_Ttim_____: to get you started on your search, https://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms12:17
tim_____i know the devices but all the netbooks are sold with windows12:21
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zinitgood morning12:30
mece\o12:30
zinithow is san francisco?12:30
zinitsee its been busy on twitter:P12:30
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meceI'm not there. also it's 2:36 am there.12:36
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zinitwas thinking of going, but couldnt take a week and a half off work (no way I would go all that way for just a couple of days)12:38
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zinittoo expencive to go from dublin to SF to go for a few days. would have to make it a short vacation of at least 10 days12:39
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* slaine waves to zinit12:41
* slaine is a dub too12:41
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zinitnice weather obama brought with him12:43
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slaineWell, the suns just come out, as per his commands12:43
zinitin addition to fucking the traffick completelly12:43
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zinitaah, I see there is some sun now.. but still insane winds here in cherrywood12:44
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zinitsitting on the laptop I got at the meego conference at the aviva in meego 1.2 now12:44
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ziniteverything worked out of the box:P that was nice. no need to screw around to get the broadcom wifi working:P12:45
slaineYou probably have a broadcom free ideapad then12:45
slaineI do12:45
zinitlove that machine:)12:45
slaineSo I've kept MeeGo on my Dell Mini9 to keep the howto going, have Fedora14 on the ideapad atm for dev work12:46
zinitgot meego, opensuse and win7 ultimate on it12:46
zinitwin7 is slow as fuck.. but I think thats more of the windows gimmick than hardware performance...12:48
zinitubuntu has gotten too bloaty. and the new interface they got crashes all the time. so ditched it for opensuse12:49
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zinitstuck in 2 gigs memory in it. helped alot on wow performance:P12:49
toninikk1neni dunno why people keep on switching distros since this and that was slower than another... just switch your desktop environment12:49
toninikk1nenuse ratpoison or something, it's fast on anything12:49
zinitwow, lotro and warcraft3 works like a charm. and starcraft ofcourse:P12:50
zinitonly one I cant run in linux is lotro. that one crashes wine12:50
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zinitgot bored with ubuntu. the latest version had some bitchy bugs that screws with the touchscreen and the tethering to my iphone didnt work anymore there. and I use it to get online at work12:51
zinitusing the opensuse tethering and iproxy drivers in meego. no problems what so ever12:52
mecewtf I'm stuck in set timezone dialog on MeeGo 1.2 netbook installation12:52
meceforward button does nothing12:52
toninikk1nenyou will always have problems, the problem set might be different, but nothing will work perfectly, unless you make it. switching just switches your old problems with new ones12:52
zinitstrange... never had any trouble with the timezone during isntall...12:53
meceso any suggestions how to get past this?12:53
zinitthe only thing that doesnt work like a charm in linux is the screen rotate and cant assign the "touch button (the top one) in linux12:54
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zinitand love the quickstart. works great for reading the newspapers and simple stuff like that12:55
zinitwouldnt mind being able to replace that one with meego though...12:55
zinitdont know if thats possible to do12:55
toninikk1nenmece: mabe just try again ?12:55
zinitheard someone was able to replace it with android... but never checked up on how they did it12:56
toninikk1nenmaybe out of sheer bad luck it just crashed at that point just this once :)12:56
mecetoninikk1nen, hm..12:57
mecetoninikk1nen, lemme try12:58
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mecenope same thing12:59
mecewhen I clock "forward" the button stays pressed for 2 seconds then pops up and nothing happens. *sigh*12:59
toninikk1neni dunno then, maybe randomly click around like crazy ;)12:59
meceḮve been doing that for a while now.12:59
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mecedoesn't seem to do much12:59
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zinittried using the screen to click it? I remember 1.1 you had to use the touchscreen to click buttons during install13:16
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meceGaah this is just superbly frustrating!13:23
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zinitstrange that it wont work... make sure the clock in the bios is going correct and mark off that the hardware clock is on utc. (at leas thats what I did). and choose the correct location so the timezone setting dont go bonkers13:27
zinitone tihng I couldnt understand is why the twitter integration isnt in 1.2 by default... shouldnt have to set that manually... but at least the msn and facebook ones works like a charm...13:28
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lardmanmorning chaps, is there a channel setup in which we can ask conference attendees to ask questions on our behalf, or will this channel be used for all the conference chatter?13:28
MohammadAGlardman, /topic13:28
* lardman has had his client connected for too long ;)13:29
lardmanthanks MohammadAG13:29
MohammadAGyw :P13:29
lardman:)13:29
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Ronksuokay.. it's 03:50, and somebody on the street is practicing to play the "popeye the sailorman" -tune with a flute. I hope (s)he learns fast.13:50
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zinithehe13:50
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lcukthe latest n900-de images include pyside so I heard yesterday14:11
* lcuk wonders how to test this14:11
lcukkhertan would know properly14:11
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lcukhi slaine CosmoHill \o14:19
* lcuk just booting 0520 image and testing something whilst 0523 comes in14:19
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* slaine will get 0523 later, 0520 got downloaded but not installed, DIY weekend14:21
lcukslaine, yeah14:22
CosmoHillI downloaded meego netbook image yesterday, the internet download was faster than the network I transfered it over14:22
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lcuki happily found that the 2 virtually identical microsd cards have completely different write speeds14:22
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CosmoHilllcuk: same brand?14:23
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lcukCosmoHill, yeah14:23
thiagosame price?14:23
lcukand in the same reader doing the same operations14:23
lcukthiago, IDK14:24
lcuki just found it and thought "what if"14:24
lcukand it was different and faster14:24
lcukI think the faster one was the one I dropped in my cup of coffee ages ago14:24
CosmoHilllol14:24
CosmoHillcaffine high maybe14:24
CosmoHilloh, my motherboard and RAM should arrive tomorrow so hopefully I'll have a meego compatable computer at last14:25
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jpetried meego 1.2 on my sony vaio netbook this weekend, it works fine, the wifi sometime looses connection, didn;t check logfiles yet15:48
* CosmoHill wonders if we should be making a list of meego 1.2 compatable devices15:50
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jpelove the interface !15:52
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CosmoHillhey cl16:13
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CosmoHilllcuk*: I'm thinking it might be an idea of create a list of devices people have used with MeeGo 1.216:13
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lcukCosmoHill, I agree16:15
lcuka table on the devices page would be reasonable?16:15
lcukshowing major points working16:15
lcukand points where people have issues16:15
CosmoHillI'm thinking16:15
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status#DE_N900_feature_status_template_.28Under_construction.2916:16
lcuklike that16:16
lcukbut instead of bugs16:16
CosmoHillmanufacturer / brand: model: model number: yes / no: notes16:16
lcukdevices and main points people need16:16
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zinitand if there are solutions, there sohuld be a wiki page showing how to get the problem solved when there are solutions to issues.16:16
CosmoHillApple: Macbook Pro: 2010 Macbook Pro: Yes: Intel graphics only16:16
lcukManufacturer, Model, Boots, Wifi, Graphics, Keyboard, Notes16:17
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CosmoHillkeyboard?16:17
CosmoHillMeeGoBot: supported processors?16:17
MeeGoBotCosmoHill: well, duh. Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors16:17
lcukyes, does the vkb or hwkb work happily16:17
lcukit is a point for people16:17
zinitonly things that are still bugged on the s10-3t's seem to be the buttons on the screen (the 2 above the mute)16:17
CosmoHilllcuk: something like that with more colums?16:17
lcukyes16:18
CosmoHillI've still not had anyone with VIA or AMD processors say anything about meego16:18
* lcuk nods16:18
CosmoHillI was thinking of spliiting it into categories too, notebooks / tablets, handsets, misc16:18
zinitvia has no problems handling it. got a via micro itx machine with meego16:18
zinit800Mhz via eden cpu16:19
CosmoHillzinit: what processor? I'll add it to the list16:19
CosmoHillthanks16:19
zinitCosmoHill: chipset is intel I think... at work now so dont have it infront of me:P16:19
CosmoHillVia Eden esther?16:19
CosmoHillwait16:20
zinitpm me and I'll give you the info for the box when I'm at home later today16:20
CosmoHillzinit: cool16:20
zinitits a all in one card16:20
CosmoHillaccoridng to wikipedia the VIA Eden doesn't support SSSE316:20
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zinitgot meego 1.1 up on it at the moment. using the machine for running movies on a tv:P16:21
zinitcant handle HD but divx works great (its about 5 years old, so understandable that it cant handle HD:P)16:22
CosmoHillmy powerbook is almost 6 years old and tries to set fire to my desk whenever I watch youtube16:22
zinithehe16:22
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zinitsame as my old HP zd8000 then:P lost count of the times its given me 1st degree burns when playing wow or watching movies with it on my lap16:23
toninikk1neni'm wearing my meegoconf 2010 shirt.. someone stopped me on the street and said hey, meego, that's cool stuff16:25
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zinitnice:)16:25
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CosmoHilltoninikk1nen: that's cool16:25
zinityou should take a trip out to silicon valley when you are in san francisco anyway:P its not that far:P16:25
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CosmoHilllcuk: what should the page be called, supported devices?16:26
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lcukCosmoHill, no16:27
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lcukbecause it is also possible for devices which do not work to be listed16:27
lcukthis is a cleanup of the /devices page16:27
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lcuktechnically it might be right to just have this table at the top of the devices page itself16:27
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CosmoHilllcuk: ah I see16:28
CosmoHillhow about this, we create a table of the devices at the top of the page16:28
CosmoHilland slowly replace the whole page with the table16:28
lcukwell some notes on the page are useful16:28
lcukto clarify what is put into the table at the top16:28
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CosmoHillhow does "notebooks" differ from "laptops"?16:31
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CosmoHilllcuk: if someone gives me cookies I'll work on this next week16:37
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lcukahh yes, cookies.16:39
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Sage_does anyone walk with usb keyboard in SF atm? I planned to update the tablet image to my exopc but could not go through the installation because of no keyboard. :/17:12
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gabrbeddSage_: I have one in my room.17:13
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Sage_anyone has one in the hacker lounge for example? :)17:14
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gabrbeddSage_: If you get me on the wifi in the HL, I'll gladly go up and get my KB.17:16
gabrbedd:-)17:16
Sage_? :)17:16
Sage_the wifi is so bad in there atm?17:17
gabrbeddSage_: I'm on they "Hyatt" since I don't have the WPA passwd for the wifi in there.17:17
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gabrbeddSage_: Are you in the HL right now?17:18
Sage_not atm.17:18
Sage_at my hotel room but will be down there in about 30mins or so.17:19
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toninikk1nenyou going to finish your presentation slides on the exopc with no keyboard ? )17:20
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Sage_toninikk1nen: sure without oo and stuff ;)17:20
gabrbeddtoninikk1nen: it's all just handwaving anyway... right?17:21
gabrbedd:-p17:21
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abtoninikk1nen, are you at SF?17:25
toninikk1nennope17:25
RST38hmoo, ab17:25
abtoninikk1nen, ah, so you are like me17:26
abRST38h, meeh17:26
toninikk1nenab: i would have liked to go as such... but ... i have to admit i was just too lazy17:27
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toninikk1nenthere's enough events here in Berlin to keep me occupied without moving my arse around the Atlantic :)17:27
abtoninikk1nen, well, like a former colleague of mine said, it seems MeeGo Conferences in SF are coupled with volcano erruptions in Iceland. Looks like somebody is not really happy with the outcome...17:28
ablast year it was also same week17:28
zinitwasnt the vulcano after the conference in dublin?17:29
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toninikk1neni remember how a certain cow-orker of mine went to SF and didn't get back because of the volcano17:30
toninikk1nenand now, guess where that person is this time.. :)17:30
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* gabrbedd sighs in satisfaction.17:31
gabrbeddSage_: Thanks, bro.  I'm in the HL.17:32
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zinithow is the weather in california?17:32
gabrbeddzinit: Same as always in SF: clear and chilly17:32
zinitbetter than dublin.. switching between sun and rain, and is extremely windy.17:33
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Sage_toninikk1nen: jumping from happyness? :)17:33
toninikk1nennah i don't wish misfortune on others... but I guess I enjoy comedy where I can find it17:34
abzinit, it was Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit 2010 and there was MeeGo workgroup17:34
Sage_toninikk1nen: eh, I meant that that person is here jumping from happyness? :)17:34
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zinitwill be interesting to see where the emego conference will be next year..17:36
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toninikk1nenSage_: ought to be, with luck he will get some days off from work... and to spend them in SF17:36
* Sage_ heads to HL.17:36
CosmoHillzinit: very windy here atm too]17:37
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zinitweird weather here in dublin... sunny and pouring down...17:38
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CosmoHillwe just have the sun, not rained once this month that I can remember17:39
zinitand you are where?17:39
CosmoHillengland17:39
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lardmanCosmoHill: Hmm, is raining here right now17:40
CosmoHillsouth east17:40
lardmanbut you lot near Londinium seem to get better weather than us westerners ;)17:40
zinitdublin was nice for a while. but the last few days has been completelly screwed up.. rain, sun, wind.. only thing we havent had the last 3 days is snow17:40
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CosmoHillI''ll trade you some for some cider17:40
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lardmanlol17:41
lardmanwell the way the wind is blowing here you'd probably get apple juice directly from standing under an apple tree17:41
lardmanI'm actually in Bath too, so not quite cider-country17:42
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CosmoHilleither I'm really tired or this revision is boring17:52
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* Sage_ is having the meego breakfast at hyatt18:03
Stskeepshow is it?18:04
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* timeless_w7ip is getting phone calls from finland to the finnish cell number18:04
* timeless_w7ip grumbles18:04
Sage_better than I expected, however a bit too sweet in my opinion.18:05
timeless_w7ipanyone here want to help me get Elisa to terminate my service?18:05
timeless_w7ipit was supposed to be dead already but it clearly isn't18:05
toninikk1nentimeless_w7ip: i bet 99% of those calls you get are telemarketers trying to sell you a DNA subscription18:05
timeless_w7ipheh18:05
toninikk1nenthat's at least true in my case18:06
timeless_w7ipno, this was a friend who had moved away and just returned for the summer18:06
toninikk1nenevery unknown number that calls me is one of those18:06
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timeless_w7ipmy new local US number has already received one evil call18:06
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timeless_w7ipPortfolio <http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-859-918-0780> called @8:21 am on Saturday18:07
timeless_w7ip(according to my cell phone log)18:07
timeless_w7ipincredibly rude18:07
* timeless_w7ip didn't answer it, but it did interrupt an essential sleep cycle18:08
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timeless_w7ipi have 110,281 "important" conversations18:14
timeless_w7ip81,126 of which I haven't read...18:15
gabrbeddtimeless_w7ip: turn off your phone when you sleep.  :-p18:16
timeless_w7ipthen i can't find out about spammers..18:16
gabrbeddtimeless_w7ip: you have the weirdest priorities.18:16
gabrbeddtimeless_w7ip: Are you in the hacker lounge?18:17
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timeless_w7ipi'm in my room. i need to find misha/thp and get the duffle bag I left w/ them @SFO when we arrived18:20
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timeless_w7ipgabrbedd: i get less spam than ham. so it's easier to deal w/ spammers18:21
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TSCHAKeeewhat is the observed battery life on the eXoPCs?18:57
ahiemstra2h if you're lucky?18:57
jukkaeklundthose with N900 and want to try out MeeGo on it, we are having a release for SF: http://wiki.meego.com/N90018:57
akkYeah, that's about what I see, a couple hours.18:57
ahiemstraif my wetab is any indication18:57
* TSCHAKeee facepalms18:58
TSCHAKeeethat's fucking terrible.18:58
TSCHAKeeeespecially when I have a netbook based on the same pinetrail setup, and I get 6 hours out of it in meego netbook.18:58
ahiemstrait depends a bit on what you're running on it, the meego tablet ux lacks any form of power management18:58
akkyep18:58
ali1234it's x86....... what do you expect?18:59
ali1234good battery life??18:59
TSCHAKeee:(18:59
ahiemstraso it will just sit there and eat your battery18:59
akkali1234: x86 netbooks can do three times that.18:59
TSCHAKeeei18:59
ali1234if you connect a 12 cell battery they can18:59
TSCHAKeeei've even pulled 7 hours18:59
akkIf there were some way to turn off the wifi (maybe there is from a terminal?) it might help.18:59
TSCHAKeeeout of my Asus eeePC 1005PEG18:59
ali1234ie more battery than netbook18:59
ahiemstrathe battery in it is just very small18:59
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ahiemstraprobably to counter the relatively heavy screen19:00
TSCHAKeeethis is what drives me insane19:00
TSCHAKeeethe ARM tablets have great battery life19:00
akkali1234: My ancient centrino vaio with the standard battery gets about 6 hours. Some Atom netbooks supposedly do a lot better.19:00
TSCHAKeeebut i can't get decent support out of the chips in linux19:00
akker, 6 hours with an older kernel, not with the current kernels that broke power management19:00
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ahiemstrato be honest, the battery life on opensuse with the wetab is better, especially when only using it sporadically since it will properly sleep19:02
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n1_is the battery drain related to the 2.6.38/39 kernel bug?19:02
akkNot being able to sleep hurts the MeeGo ExoPC a lot.19:02
n1_according to phoronix battery life got a bump by 10-30%19:03
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n1_but it sounds like a temporary problem19:03
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JaffaMorning, all19:06
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iekkumorning19:12
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thptimeless_w7ip: we'll be heading to the room shortly before the keynote to pick up the laptop, so you could fetch your stuff then19:18
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timeless_w7ipthp: sounds good19:35
timeless_w7iplemme try to grab breakfast19:36
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* timeless_w7ip hunts breakfast19:43
* lardman wonders if that requires a spear, bow and arrow or rifle?19:44
timeless_w7ipa map i think19:44
akkOr just a sharpened credit card19:44
RST38hlardman: Cats are not THAT hard to catch19:44
lardmanyuck!19:44
RST38hAnyways, what are the latest news from the conference?19:45
ahiemstrajust a big book should suffice19:45
lardmanRST38h: T-minus 15minutes I think19:45
RST38hAh, that damn west coast is MSK-1119:45
lardmanRST38h: new N900 DE released apparently19:45
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RST38hPretty inconvinient19:45
lardmanyeah will be a long night19:46
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RST38hAm I missing something or is meego.com missing any realtime conference coverage whatsoever?19:46
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lardmanRST38h: head to #meegoconf19:46
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lardmanRST38h: plus this: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming19:47
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RST38hAh! I knewI was missing something =)19:47
lardmanI had to ask this morning too, apparently it's in some strange thing called a /topic that no-one ever reads ;)19:48
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RST38htopic? what topic? :)19:49
lardmanshame this page can't be localised so I don't have to keep subtracting 8 hours: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming19:49
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TomaszDhey19:53
TomaszDdoes the live streaming flash player work for anyone? http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming19:53
TomaszDit promptly crashes here19:53
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CosmoHillI think it's crashed for me too19:54
TomaszDthat's disappointing, it's like 6 minutes till the keynote starts19:54
btdrucke_void: modal dialog will support expanding width19:55
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TomaszDso annoying :(19:57
arit keeps buffering here19:58
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GAN900TomaszD, I'll live blog in #meegoconf19:59
TomaszDGAN900, thanks19:59
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lcukTomaszD, if you have not seen GAN900 in action, you are missing something20:00
lcukhis thumbs are a blur!20:00
GAN900lcuk, real laptop this time. ;)20:01
TomaszDwe'll see20:01
TomaszD:)20:01
TomaszDfor the time being I'd love the player not to crash the latest flash player on linux20:02
lcukGAN900, you have a PPM rating20:02
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lcukmost people do WPM, but you have to be based on paragraphs20:02
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suy_does the streaming of the conference work for any of you?20:03
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TomaszDdoesn't crash the flash plugin on android though... but it pretends to be buffering20:04
GAN900Still nobody manning the camera(s)20:04
suy_ok, thank you; i was afraid i was missing it :)20:04
Milhouseno live stream here20:05
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lardmanI might have to resurrect IE to see if that will work, I don't even see a flash player with FF420:06
MilhouseI also just tried the SF release of N900DE... anyone else? Not sure what to make of it... without sounding harsh.20:06
CosmoHillI hope the audio is better than last time20:06
lardmanMilhouse: I've just downloaded it and was going to try....20:06
Milhouselardman: I just tried Opera 11.11 and FF4.01 - no joy in either20:06
lardmanok thanks20:06
GAN900Milhouse, #meegoconf for live blog. ;)20:07
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Milhouselardman: There just seems to be no real progress (compared with an image from a couple of months ago)20:07
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RST38hMilhouse: Is "good progress from 1.1" the wording you are looking for? =)20:07
MilhouseGAN: ta! :)20:07
GAN900Milhouse, we've got the same tech demos from Dublin!20:07
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MilhouseRST38h: Not really - I've tested a few builds, 1.1.80 etc. and those in between until today, and I just don't know what to think...20:10
RST38hMilhouse: ok, just say it20:10
MilhouseRST38h: I mean I tried qatbowling and it trashed xorgggggg20:10
lardmanhmm, from the announcement I thought it might all be up and running and ready for use now20:10
MilhouseRST38h: It's slow as treacle20:10
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MilhouseRST38h: It is, quite frankly, awful.20:10
RST38hMilhouse:Go for CSSU instead20:11
Milhouseoops, not sure where all those extra g's came from - dodgey keyboard :)20:11
Stskeepsnetbook or handset? ..20:11
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MilhouseRST38h: Perhaps my expectations are set too high - I thought we might be getting a moderately usable MeeGo build but I'm not too hopeful given the current pace of improvement20:12
Milhousehandset, N900DE20:12
RST38hNo,you won't be20:12
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RST38hBUT,on the other hand, the slowdown may be because of the specific installation scheme20:12
MilhouseMaybe, Class 10 SDHC20:13
RST38hIf there is a slow swap problem,that would do it for you20:13
MilhouseBut these "performance" issues have been known about for months20:13
matthew_Hello! Anybody knows about live streaming from meego conference? It doesn't work for me.20:13
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MilhouseAnyway... I hate to be so critical, but there it is - hugely disappointing.20:13
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lardmanmatthew_: same here, and head for #meegoconf20:14
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kahlessis anyone meego netbook-edition and gentoo dualbooting? extlinux wont boot gentoo20:20
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kahlessbootmenu is just blinking, no error msgs20:20
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DawnFosterWith so many people trying to watch the keynote, we're having a few issues with the Live Stream. Should be back soon.20:24
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timsamoffHi, kimtake!20:25
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dm8tbrwhat's 'so many'?20:27
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Milhouse2320:27
Milhouse:)20:27
dm8tbrFor MeeGoFI I had bandwith for _thousands_ of viewers and hardly used it during the keynote...20:27
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TSCHAKeeeanyone recording it?20:29
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dm8tbrwould need to work for it to be recorded...20:30
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Mirvnetromedia doesn't really convince... didn't Fluendo people have some streaming company as well? maybe we could also get HTML5/WebM streams then...20:31
DawnFosterno, the video is being recording - the issue is in getting it out to the live stream. We always isolate the 2 so that a live stream fail can't impact our ability to upload the video later20:32
kidproquoDawnFoster, good to know20:33
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lardmanDawnFoster: there's a link issue on the website too. I'm not sure whether the live streaming link from e.g. http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/keynote-jim-zemlin-future-meego-starts-now (which goes to http://sf2011.meego.com/program/session/live-streaming) should work20:35
lardmanbut I doubt it, and I guess it should be this link: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming20:36
dm8tbrMirv: I had 2x 1GBit of icecast bandwith for MeeGoFI plus several 100M locations as fallback. worked right from HTML5 capable browsers that do support theora, with fallback to cortado (java based) with fallback to stream url for playback in vlc...20:36
dm8tbrand I was working on a zero point zero budget20:37
Mirvdm8tbr: sounds great, "too bad" I was on location ;)20:37
dm8tbr;)20:37
Myrtti:-P20:38
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MyrttiI'll take pictures for you guys to enjoy :-P20:40
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dm8tbrMyrtti: you are physically there, there is not much more you have to do to gain our envy :-p20:41
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MyrttiI shall rub it in a bit more if anything exciting happens :-P20:42
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mcpimarkguim is streaming with his mobile http://yfrog.com/66cbtz20:47
mcpiok, it is not a stream20:48
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akkAre there going to be videos of the sessions for later download?20:51
akk(even if there are problems with livestreaming)20:51
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timeless_w7ipakk: there's a professional video camera behind us at the back20:51
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timeless_w7ipso one would hope he isn't just standing there for show20:51
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akkFingers crossed!20:52
mcpimaybe for premium download via itunes? :P20:52
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timeless_w7ipdoes anyone here have acccess to 'mixxx'?21:03
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RST38hmoo, wazd, how is SF?21:04
wazdRst38h, hey, listening to the opening keynote right now :)21:05
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harbaum__Any giveaways already i need to be jealous about?21:51
Stskeepsnot so far21:51
harbaum__Anything interesting so far? The live stream isn't working21:52
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kidproquoharbaum__, stream is working now...21:56
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harbaum__thx21:57
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maclaverJust in time for Robin!!!21:57
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maclaverMaybe the synchronization god smiled down on the conference.21:57
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cityLightsanyone here?22:42
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dm8tbrno22:42
lcukyes22:43
cityLightswas hoping to hear when the N9 will be released22:43
dm8tbrask nokia22:43
cityLightsanyone here can help with hildon-status menu?22:43
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lcukcityLights, which MeeGo UX is hildon-status menu a part of?22:45
cityLightswell, its actullay maemo22:45
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lcukcityLights, I once went into the opticians to ask for some fruit22:46
lcukthankfully they offered me some glasses and I never made that mistake again.22:46
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lcukI am sure there is a lesson somewhere in that.22:46
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RST38hlcuk; "Bring enough money and you will get what you want even from the opticians"?22:47
lcuktrue22:47
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cityLightsstreaming from meego conf is bad22:49
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dm8tbrRST38h: they'll just convince you that you wanted the platin rims with svarovski crystals for your glases in the first place22:49
cityLightshardly can see any moviing pictures22:49
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lcukn900dm8 yeah but they are cool glasses22:52
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lcukQuestion: Name an app which works happily across all MeeGo UXes?22:59
DocScrutinizerummm, echo "hello world"?23:00
cityLightsha ha23:01
lcukQuestion: Which app is must have on your MeeGo device?23:01
miheroterminal23:02
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lcukmihero, why23:02
DocScrutinizerI'm not going to answer this, as later on somebody will call me out on it and tell me "you got XY, so shut up now and be happy"23:02
lcukand you are not the first person to suggest23:02
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lcukno DocScrutinizer I am asking because it is sensible to do so23:02
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lcukI asked similar questions around Qt-labs the other day23:03
lcukand terminal was one of those answered23:03
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DocScrutinizerxterm, obviously23:03
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DocScrutinizerincl proper bash and all unix tools23:04
DocScrutinizerplus sth like zenity23:04
ahkoksomeone give me a touch-enabled terminal23:04
lcukQuestion: What is your regular day to day handset?  N900Maemo/Android/Iphone etc23:04
lcukahkok, what does that mean?23:04
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ahkoksomething that allows me to type using sype e.g. to work in a shell/xterm/...23:05
lcukahkok, I can click and tap on my n900 in terminal23:05
lcukright, that is not the terminal though, that is the input method23:05
ahkoktablet doesn't have something like that yet23:05
lcuksurely?23:05
ahkokthey packaged xterm on the system but that isn't enabled for touch input23:06
ahkok./petpeeve23:06
lcukjust hold on23:06
lcuki have n900-de tablet edition here23:07
akkyeah, that was discussed on the ML recently23:07
lcukjust opening terminal23:07
ahkoklcuk, cool23:07
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lcukusing my finger/stylus I can make selections23:08
lcukdunno how to copy/paste though23:08
ahkokif you can't type `rm -rf *` ... ;)23:08
lcukmind you, I cannot copy/paste on my desktop teminal either23:08
akkIf you could middlemouse, that would probably paste.23:08
lcukwithout right click context menu23:08
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ahkoklol23:09
lcukand it just stops commands23:09
lcukvery frustrating23:09
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akklcuk: middlemouse paste23:09
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akkthough it might also have something like shift-insert23:09
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CosmoHilllcuk: Added the VIA processor to the list and made some changes to the style: http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors23:28
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lcukCosmoHill, you are bloody amazing.23:30
lcuk:)23:30
lcukI thought there were various ARM processors for different devices?23:30
CosmoHillyay23:30
lcukthe Beagleboards, the PandaBoards, the n90023:30
lcukwhat is Tegra running?23:30
CosmoHillwell nobody has added any to the list or told me23:30
lcukwell now best time to poke people23:31
lcukGMA500 is graphics chipset isn't it?23:31
CosmoHillcorrect23:31
lcuklardman, what chip is in your partially working tab?23:31
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lardmanhummingbird23:31
CosmoHillI don't know if the graphics should be on the same page or at the bottom23:31
CosmoHillalso I swear some devices have intel core in them23:32
CosmoHillapart from the VIA processor they're all based on SSSE3 support stated on wikipedia23:32
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lardmanlcuk: Samsung are releasing a new incarnation of the dreaded Android, with a newer kernel which should sort out the xinput2 issues, I hope23:33
lcuklardman, what is a hummingbird?23:34
lcukis it ARM based?23:34
lcukor x86?23:34
lardmanat least I've been to busy to start doing any porting work myself, otherwise I'd be annoyed23:34
lardmanarm23:34
lardmanhang on let me find a linky23:34
lcukCosmoHill, yeah I don't know either23:34
lcukjust saying23:34
lardmanit's a cortex A8 with an SGX 540 graphics core plus some other graphic accel stuff23:35
lardman1GHz23:35
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lcukCosmoHill, ^^23:35
lcukthat is in partial working state23:35
lcukneeds a tickbox in the "needs TLC" column23:35
CosmoHillI'll add cortex A8 as partial23:36
lardmanit works fine, just touch doesn't work because I've not had any time to do anyghint with it23:36
lcuk"Computing in the corner of your eye"23:36
lardmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummingbird_Processor23:37
lcuklardman, I told you about the sketches I collected together, I found all the ones from jake, I have every smiley face he has ever drawn :)23:37
CosmoHilladded, anything else?23:37
lardman:)23:37
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lcuksketch ~50 out of >600023:37
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CosmoHillinteresting, Linus has been talking about ending the 2.6 line and starting 2.8 or 3.023:59
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