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| lcuk | supposing I have a qml app | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | what is the simplest mechanism to using a native c++ class with it | 00:56 |
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| ieatlint | lcuk: substantiate the qml object from c++, use setContextProperty() for an instance of the class you want QML to be able to use | 01:05 |
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| ieatlint | then you can call functions from it in QML, as long as the function is a slot, or is proceeded with the macro Q_INVOKABLE (eg Q_INVOKABLE void fuckBirds( QString blah ); ) | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | come on, it's "easy" ! :P | 01:07 |
| ieatlint | (and it will map basic types like QString, int, double) | 01:07 |
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| ieatlint | "In hindsight, Nokia was the wrong partner to have picked" — Intel CEO Paul Otellini | 01:09 |
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| gabrbedd | ieatlint: And the alternative partner was.... ?? | 01:13 |
| alterego | ieatlint: yeah, he wouldn't have said that had Nokia not pissed their pants and Elop wasn't sucking balls-mer | 01:14 |
| alterego | And I wouldn't have trusted any other vendor | 01:14 |
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| gabrbedd | IMHO, if they had stuck with it I think it would have been pretty awesome... esp. the way they were leveridging the Qt API. | 01:15 |
| alterego | How many other handset manufacturers have the experience and expertise to a) develop an OS and b) do it in the open? | 01:15 |
| alterego | It took Android to get other manufacturers into the open movement. | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | gabrbedd: i'm not trying to start a commentary on it, i just thought it was a funny quote | 01:15 |
| alterego | And the only reason they chose that (imo flawed platform) is because it was better than the crap they were shipping | 01:16 |
| alterego | And it reduced costs. | 01:16 |
| gabrbedd | ieatlint: Indeed. But this *is* irc, not twitter. :-) | 01:16 |
| ieatlint | i was doing this on irc long before twitter :P | 01:17 |
| alterego | ieatlint: you at the conference next week? | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | yep | 01:18 |
| gabrbedd | ieatlint: :-) | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | should be a fun and interesting week | 01:19 |
| alterego | Yup :) | 01:20 |
| alterego | I'm ver excited | 01:20 |
| * alterego 's first conference | 01:20 | |
| ieatlint | there'll be lots of alcohol, don't worry | 01:20 |
| alterego | Are you saying you're gonna get me pissed? | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | i generally plan on getting people at conferences drunk | 01:22 |
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| ieatlint | but i also tend to keep my hands to myself, don't worry ;) | 01:23 |
| Xavierdarkness | Meego intrigues me. Haven't looked at it in months, though. | 01:24 |
| berndhs | drunk people are more honest | 01:24 |
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| ieatlint | i'm sober now, so perhaps keep that in mind | 01:25 |
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| berndhs | yeah, can't trust you at present :) | 01:25 |
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| CosmoHill | people who have been awake to long are also fairly truthful | 01:26 |
| berndhs | yes true, makes it harder to lie consistently | 01:26 |
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| CosmoHill | also their internal filters don't work so well so things slip out | 01:28 |
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| alterego | That might explain why I can't lie | 01:29 |
| alterego | Because I'm always pissed and tired. | 01:29 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, go reading | 02:05 |
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| CosmoHill | :D | 02:06 |
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| npm | what is this -- http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2.0:/oss/standard/i586/kmod-virtiogl-1.1.2+git1+83577c3-1.13.i586.rpm -- and on what hardware should it be installed? | 03:04 |
| npm | == "virtio-gl kernel module used for openGL acceleration of client OS." | 03:05 |
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| ss_ | test | 04:42 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:41 |
| berndhs | evening | 06:46 |
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| gabrbedd | howdy! | 06:53 |
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| ver | dang wiki needs an update. | 07:03 |
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| ver | vgrade, are you using/sharing code with the trimslice guys with respect to your tegra2 work? | 07:19 |
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| ver | right, 5am there atm, heh. | 07:20 |
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| npm | in the meego 1.2 netbook UX, the "meego-panel-people" app now (in 1.2.0) comes up "available" as soon as the network comes up. is there a way to switch back to old behavior 1.1.99 of march/april, which was to stay offline until i went online explicitly? | 07:41 |
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| npm | but then again, maybe I missed the needed customization in the output of "gconftool-2 -R /" | 07:43 |
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| ss_ | hey guys | 09:33 |
| ss_ | does anyone know about mcompositor? | 09:34 |
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| ss_ | in detail? | 09:34 |
| thiago_home | kimmo hämäläinen probably does | 09:34 |
| iekku | hmmm, does any of you know punk clubs in SF? (i know it's stupid question, but still want to know :) ) | 09:35 |
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| w00t_ | ss_: what detail? | 09:38 |
| * w00t_ knows a few things about it | 09:38 | |
| ieatlint | iekku: most punk stuff is in oakland i'm told | 09:39 |
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| iekku | ieatlint, oh, ok | 09:40 |
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| iekku | ieatlint, i think that's not doable then :( costs too much, i think :D | 09:40 |
| ieatlint | i'm told http://www.924gilman.org/ is a suggestion | 09:41 |
| ieatlint | berkeley there actually | 09:41 |
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| iekku | OH MY GOOD OH MY GOOD!!!! | 09:41 |
| ieatlint | it's 1mile walk from a BART station (local urban rail) | 09:41 |
| iekku | citizen fish playing there 22th | 09:42 |
| ss_ | well | 09:42 |
| ss_ | after running mcompositor | 09:42 |
| ss_ | my touchscreen doesnt work at all | 09:43 |
| ieatlint | BART to the nearby station would be cheap (probably $3-4 each way), but you'd still have to walk a decent way (or take an expensive taxi, which would be difficult on the trip from the club to the station) | 09:43 |
| iekku | ieatlint, i'm so greatful for you about that link that i can't even tell | 09:43 |
| ss_ | I am just wondering if mcompositor is affecting touch event or sth | 09:43 |
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| lbt | Bostik: ping | 10:11 |
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| lanyijia | hi,everyone, I meet a problem. I have been intalled wayland on meego .But, When I run compositor in meego's terminal. It gives a error as follows: "DrmModeGetResources failed". Although the compositor can run now, but the other simple demos can't run on the compositor. Anyone have some good idea about this problem? | 10:39 |
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| ver | lanyijia, first thing i'd check would be permissions on your drm/dri character devices | 10:43 |
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| lanyijia | how to check? | 10:45 |
| ver | ls -l /dev probably | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
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| lanyijia | There is a file, namd dri. | 10:50 |
| lanyijia | Does it mean that my computer can support DRM? | 10:50 |
| thiago_home | direct rendering manager, yes | 10:52 |
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| lanyijia | then, do what? I think I need to modify the GPU's mode to make it use DRM.right? | 10:56 |
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| ver | to allow users access possibly | 10:57 |
| ver | "chmod 777 /dev/dri" maybe | 10:58 |
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| lanyijia | yes,this method can help me to deal with 'DrmModeGetResources failed'. However, wayland still cannot run. thank you, ver . | 11:11 |
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| ver | lanyijia, to be brutally honest i haven't used meego ever. any suggestions i give you will be total guesses. | 11:12 |
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| lanyijia | :) | 11:13 |
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| ver | or wayland for that matter | 11:15 |
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| lanyijia | have you meet this problem: 'bash:syntax error near unexpected token ';' ' in meego's terminal. | 11:21 |
| lanyijia | i want to run two demos at the same time in meego. | 11:22 |
| ver | it means your bash syntax is busted | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | I'd just use '&' | 11:22 |
| lbt | pastebin the commandline | 11:23 |
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| lanyijia | '&' and ';' are the same? | 11:23 |
| ver | nope | 11:24 |
| ver | & is fork while remaining attached to the pty. | 11:24 |
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| lanyijia | add '(' ')', and then ';' can be used. | 11:26 |
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| andreizro | hy all. Is the 1.2.80 build the final release candidate? will there be any change in the 1.2 release as opposed to this build? | 12:31 |
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| araujo | andreizro, 1.2.80 is the 1.3 development image | 12:40 |
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| luisbg | hello all, where can I get more recent handset images? the ones I see are from October '10 | 12:45 |
| stefan99 | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 where is the equalent for 1.3? http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.3 seems to be missing | 12:45 |
| andre__ | luisbg, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ ? | 12:46 |
| andre__ | but those are unstable ones | 12:46 |
| luisbg | andre__, latest stable is that one from October '10? | 12:46 |
| luisbg | andre__, and thanks :) | 12:46 |
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| Jaffa | Does anybody know if there's an iCal feed of the conference schedule yet, or a shiny QML app? | 12:47 |
| luisbg | andre__, do you know which version runs in the ideaPad they gave in the last conference? | 12:47 |
| alterego | Jaffa: qml dialer? :) | 12:48 |
| andre__ | not by heart :) | 12:48 |
| alterego | Jaffa: in images as of today | 12:48 |
| andreizro | araujo: OK. do you know where is the 1.2 Gold image ? I see 1.1.99.6 was supposed to go out on May 11, but I can't find it | 12:48 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Not just a general shiny QML app, but one to help with the conference attendanceness | 12:52 |
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| alterego | Hrm, not sure then | 12:52 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, sojourner is the app used for confs typically | 12:54 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/ | 12:54 |
| lcuk | it was last updated for summit-fi | 12:55 |
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| araujo | andreizro, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.1.99/1.1.99.7.20110516.2/images/ , latest one for the upcoming 1.2 | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | \o araujo | 13:13 |
| araujo | lcuk, o/ ! | 13:13 |
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| araujo | how it goes lcuk ? :) | 13:13 |
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| lcuk | araujo, reasonable, just looking at the photo app ( bug 16023 ) | 13:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16023 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [Trunk:Testing] The photo files are not displayed in photo viewer | 13:21 |
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| lcuk | Space Shuttle and ISS have just docked. | 13:21 |
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| andre__ | in MeeGo? | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | andre__, lol | 13:28 |
| lcuk | Next Generation rovers powered by MeeGo ISVI | 13:28 |
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| Jaffa | DawnFoster: thiago: are you aware of a machine-readable (i.e. XML) version of the Conference schedule? http://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2011/05/18/sojourner-help-wanted-for-meego-conference-sf/ | 13:52 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: heh ... was talking to timoph on #meego-fi yesterday or monday about that | 13:53 |
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| maxw | anyone using the meego emulator in qtcreator? The 'start meego emulator' button is disabled - any clues why? | 14:07 |
| eg81 | maxw: which meego sdk version you are using and on which system ? | 14:08 |
| maxw | I'm on fedora14 and the 1.2 sdk, iirc (just downloaded it today) | 14:09 |
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| maxw | ah, hrm...with a branch new project, it seems to work...I guess that's my clue to figuring out what is wrong... | 14:13 |
| maxw | I mean 'brand new project' | 14:13 |
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| arfoll | is module-avahi-* not available on meego 1,2? | 14:21 |
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| maxw | eg81:I'm stuck again...my app is plain QtQuick, but I need to use components that would normally be in the chroot (or scratchbox in the world I've moved from). I'm confused how this works... | 14:31 |
| maxw | If I make a qtquick project, I don't get the emulator available | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | Truly enlightening comments here: https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel | 14:35 |
| eg81 | maxw: hmm why do you need chroot/scratchbox, you said it's a simple qml application | 14:35 |
| maxw | well, the app is plain qml...but it uses components | 14:36 |
| maxw | and I don't really want to install components onto my host system | 14:36 |
| maxw | ...but, yes, I don't really understand how this stuff works | 14:37 |
| eg81 | maxw: can you select "qt quick application" instead of "qt quick ui" in new project window ? | 14:37 |
| eg81 | then you will be able to select available targets | 14:37 |
| maxw | I've been working on changes to meego-ux-{components,media}, so I need to figure out how to install those into the emulator too, I suppose | 14:38 |
| maxw | ok, I'll try that | 14:38 |
| maxw | of course, I have existing project files | 14:39 |
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| maxw | yeah, the qtquickapplication enables the emulator...I guess I can use the .pro file from that to figure out what changes I need to my own 'plain qml' app's .profile file, right? | 14:40 |
| eg81 | maxw: right | 14:41 |
| maxw | ok, thanks...will see how far I get | 14:42 |
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| eg81 | np | 14:52 |
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| ver | trouble installing a runtime here: http://pastebin.ca/2063402 any clues/tips? | 15:17 |
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| eg81 | mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime -fg | 15:19 |
| eg81 | poweron :) | 15:20 |
| eg81 | mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime poweron -fg | 15:20 |
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| ver | hmm, says "Runtime 'meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime' not found". it seems mad is calling "/opt/meego/qemu-gl/bin/qemugl -hda meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20110110.1049-sda.raw -name MeeGo -m 1024 -boot c -enable-kvm -vga std -enable-gl -device virtio-gl-pci -soundhw ac97 -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:6666-:22,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:13219-:13219,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:14168-:14168" which yields "/opt/meego/qemu-gl/bin/qemugl: inva | 15:21 |
| ver | lid option -- '-enable-kvm'" | 15:21 |
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| chem|st | YEAH _o/ grub for meego! | 15:22 |
| chem|st | grub supports btrfs now | 15:23 |
| maxw | eg81: hi...me again..although I launched the emulator, it seems it was supposed to display more than just a black screen...I see some kvm bug related to ubuntu (I'm on fedora)...any ideas? | 15:24 |
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| eg81 | maxw: sounds like this https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16209, but I'm not sure | 15:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16209 nor, High, ---, zhiyuan.lv, VERI FIXED, meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.99.0.20110329.5-runtime showing entire black screen | 15:26 |
| eg81 | is it handset or netbook version ? | 15:26 |
| maxw | tablet | 15:27 |
| eg81 | oh... | 15:27 |
| maxw | (I think) | 15:27 |
| maxw | well, I want the tablet anyway - though I guess I don't really care at this point | 15:27 |
| eg81 | which target you are using ? | 15:27 |
| maxw | target? | 15:28 |
| maxw | how do I find that? | 15:28 |
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| maxw | I see a few "Unknown MeeGo version!" messages in the terminal I ran qtcreator from. | 15:29 |
| eg81 | maxw: that's known version | 15:29 |
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| eg81 | tfu s/version/problem | 15:29 |
| eg81 | :) | 15:30 |
| maxw | oh, ok...I can ignore that then...how to find the target? | 15:30 |
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| eg81 | yes, you can ignore it, in qt creator click on projects (on the left side) | 15:31 |
| maxw | k...nothing 'target' | 15:31 |
| eg81 | then you should see two builds (desktop, and another is meego) | 15:31 |
| eg81 | right ? | 15:31 |
| eg81 | so what qt version is in MeeGo panel | 15:31 |
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| maxw | ah, I see 'targets' ;) build settings...general...qt version...meego-tablet-ia32-1.2.0.0.0.20010516.6 | 15:32 |
| maxw | is that what you wanted? | 15:32 |
| eg81 | yes, so now I know which target and version you are using | 15:33 |
| maxw | fyi, I'm just trying an unmodified qtquick application atm, which seems to be a 'hello world' | 15:34 |
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| eg81 | :) | 15:42 |
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| maxw | eg81: is that bug not marked as 'fixed'? | 15:55 |
| maxw | brb | 15:55 |
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| notmart | hmm, do application windows in the meego tablet have to set some xatom in particular to get in the window list? | 15:57 |
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| eg81 | MeeGoBot: brbr, which bug ? | 16:06 |
| MeeGoBot | eg81: Sorry, I've no idea what 'brbr, which bug' might be. | 16:06 |
| eg81 | maxw: which bug ? | 16:06 |
| maxw | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16209 | 16:08 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16209 nor, High, ---, zhiyuan.lv, VERI FIXED, meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.99.0.20110329.5-runtime showing entire black screen | 16:08 |
| iekku | verified today | 16:09 |
| iekku | but no comments.... | 16:09 |
| maxw | y | 16:09 |
| maxw | I guess I have to wait then | 16:09 |
| iekku | asked the comments, | 16:09 |
| iekku | hope they are available soon | 16:10 |
| maxw | me too | 16:10 |
| maxw | anyway, I guess I should chroot in the meantime | 16:10 |
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| eg81 | maxw: if I remember correctly this bug was related only to handset runtime | 16:18 |
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| maxw | eg81:hrm...well I guess there aren't so many differences and I don't suppose too many people have tried the tablet ones, no? | 16:22 |
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| eg81 | maxw: they use different graphical backends as I know, and this issue was related to opengl es (only handsets), but let me check that tablet image if it works for me | 16:32 |
| maxw | I think tablets also use opengl es (still powervr)...I'm often wrong though ;) | 16:35 |
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| maxw | thanks for checking | 16:36 |
| lcuk | maxw, being wrong is ok as long as you listen to folks and learn from things | 16:36 |
| maxw | indeed :) | 16:37 |
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| eg81 | maxw: meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime image works fine to me | 16:47 |
| maxw | ok, good to know | 16:48 |
| maxw | I'll try again tomorrow :/ | 16:48 |
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| maxw | eg81:any clues what I might have done wrong? | 16:49 |
| eg81 | maxw: which graphical card is on your computer ? is it intel, or nvidia/ati ? | 16:51 |
| maxw | intel | 16:51 |
| eg81 | hmm | 16:51 |
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| eg81 | to things that you can do - 1. start this runtime from command line | 16:51 |
| eg81 | e.g. mad remote -r meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime poweron -fg | 16:51 |
| eg81 | 2. logon onto device using ssh | 16:52 |
| eg81 | check Xorg and messages file... maybe there some errors | 16:52 |
| eg81 | 3. create bug report :) | 16:52 |
| maxw | well, logging onto the device using ssh was the first problem I had... | 16:52 |
| maxw | it kept closing the connection | 16:53 |
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| maxw | but I have a bus to catch, so I'll make a note of above and attack it again in the morning - thanks! | 16:53 |
| eg81 | ok :) | 16:54 |
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| luisbg | how do you close an application in MeeGo? I mean, I want to go back to the panels view | 17:16 |
| luisbg | and yes... I'm ashamed I have to ask this | 17:17 |
| dm8tbr | there is usually a physical home button | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | luisbg, on which device? | 17:23 |
| luisbg | lcuk, ideapad... and I discovered the windows key does the trick | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | luisbg, a bit fiddly if you want it in slate mode! | 17:25 |
| luisbg | lcuk, slate mode? | 17:25 |
| luisbg | and... | 17:26 |
| luisbg | the button to change the orientation of the screen doesn't work, which is a bit uncomfortable | 17:26 |
| lcuk | luisbg, if you turn the ideapad into a slate | 17:26 |
| luisbg | ahhh yes, but in "laptop" mode the screen is sometimes sideways | 17:26 |
| luisbg | the display on the screen, no the actual screen sorry | 17:26 |
| lcuk | ahh portrait mode for the launcher and stuff | 17:27 |
| luisbg | yes | 17:27 |
| sergiusens | does rotation work on the ideapad these days? | 17:27 |
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| luisbg | sergiusens, nope | 17:30 |
| lcuk | sergiusens, the last I heard was that the kernel module thingy required was still not being used | 17:30 |
| luisbg | at least not here | 17:30 |
| lcuk | i believe the ideapad has the required accelerometers | 17:30 |
| sergiusens | lcuk: yes, I've heard that it does support it, but the required modules weren't there. I'm no kernel hacker so my stance is to wait and ask every now and then | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | sergiusens, add yourself to bug 10885 | 17:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10885 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Accelerometer support for Lenovo S10-3t in QtMobility | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | sergiusens, and so when you discuss it, you can also give link to there and a potential kernel/qt/mobility hacker can follow it through if they have skills | 17:39 |
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| sergiusens | thanks for the link lcuk | 17:40 |
| * sergiusens is happy he finally switched from MeeGo netbook's empathy to irssi for irc | 17:41 | |
| gabrbedd | sergiusens: lcuk: do the req'd modules exist somewhere? Or do they need to be written? | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I don't know. but I bet one of the 460 people here do ->> | 17:44 |
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| sergiusens | I'm unaware of their existence or non existence | 17:46 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: sergiusens: OK. If it already exists somewhere, it's an easy fix. If not, then not quite so easy. :-) | 17:50 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: Good morning! | 17:50 |
| DawnFoster | morning gabrbedd | 17:51 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: What are the standard resources for conf. session rooms? (Ones that I don't have to make a special request for.) | 17:51 |
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| * gabrbedd hopes he's not asking something that's already published. | 17:52 | |
| DawnFoster | I thought it was on the wiki somewhere, but could be wrong | 17:52 |
| DawnFoster | we have all of the standard stuff - projector, microphones, etc. | 17:52 |
| DawnFoster | sessions will be videotaped | 17:53 |
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| DawnFoster | bring any special cables / adaptors to plug into VGA | 17:53 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: OK, thanks. I didn't want to assume. | 17:53 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 17:53 |
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| DawnFoster | but you should confirm any special presentation needs in case I missed something :) | 17:54 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, having an app to log the bluetooth connections nearby would really help with reconstructing corridor track discussions after the events! | 17:54 |
| lcuk | so that your memory of standing talking to "someone" on the runup to dinner time | 17:55 |
| lcuk | can be linked with bluetooth names and help remember more of it | 17:55 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: hmmm, sounds a little big brother | 17:55 |
| * gabrbedd will be sure to pack a tin-foil hat | 17:55 | |
| lcuk | just an automated way of remembering people | 17:55 |
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| mikhas_ | hum, isnt that kind of a security issue that Tablet UX runs with a ssh daemon enabled by default? well-known default users/passwords etc ... | 17:56 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, digital conf badges are similar principle | 17:56 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas_: That's typical for development. I would expect that it's removed on release day. If not, that's unforgivable. | 17:57 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: true - people either love the idea or hate it :) | 17:57 |
| lcuk | yeah, I guess barcodes on the badges and photos thereof would be the better way :) | 17:57 |
| DawnFoster | people should bring QR codes | 17:58 |
| DawnFoster | with basic contact info | 17:58 |
| lcuk | I have n900 on a lanyard :) | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, http://liqbase.net/liq.pendant.20091225_001.jpg | 17:59 |
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| Ronksu | DawnFoster: any chance that there would be us power plug adaptors handed out to participants? Or should I pick one from the airport / hotel? | 18:02 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: :-) | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | Ronksu: I *think* that we are going to put adaptors in the bags | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | however, I don't know *when* the bags are being distributed | 18:03 |
| Ronksu | DawnFoster: awesome. That would have been my next question :) | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | Ronksu: no later than Monday morning, but not sure about weekend attendees | 18:04 |
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| Ronksu | DawnFoster: yep. Will be there on Friday afternoon, so probably best to buy one somewhere | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | Ronksu: yeah, good idea. should be easy enough to find in SF | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | Ronksu: ...or at your outbound airport | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Hopefully I'll get a bag this time :-) | 18:07 |
| Ronksu | not expecting it to be difficult, just hoped to avoid buying one if one is given out anyway | 18:07 |
| * Jaffa has got laptop & USB chargers for UK, US & European plugs now, so hopefully adapterless :) | 18:07 | |
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| * w00t_ has european, UK adapters and will be getting US adapters | 18:08 | |
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| w00t_ | I meant to get some on the way to finland this time, but sort of forgot | 18:08 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | dneary, the Warmup Weekend page about the MXR on Sunday confuses me. Is that "Mozilla Cross Reference"? Would it be possible to add a hyperlink to some explanatory content? | 18:10 |
| Ronksu | hmm, might just have found one. Could be for japan though (not sure if they are the same) | 18:10 |
| dneary | Alison_Chaiken, I actually don't know | 18:10 |
| dneary | timeless isn't about, no? | 18:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Tomorrow I will go and buy glue sticks, etc. for the Sat afternoon festivities. Angela should have the balsa for a weeke. | 18:11 |
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| dneary | I think it's MeeGo X something S something | 18:11 |
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| dneary | or R something | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | Alison_Chaiken: mxr, mxr.meego.com? | 18:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I gather that MXR is similar to cscope, but am not sure. | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | MXR is a cross-reference tool, orgiinally developed by Mozilla | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | Shows source code in a web browser allowing links to navigate between them | 18:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So Jaffa, instead of using cscope in emacs I can use MXR in Firefox? They are equivalent? | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | Alison_Chaiken: mxr is like for multiple sources i think | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | Alison_Chaiken: Dunno - years since I used emacs. But, I think so | 18:12 |
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| Jaffa | Also, as Stskeeps|holiday says, it can work across very wide codebases | 18:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Ah Stskeeps, you mean that cscope is limited to local files, while MXR also looks are remote repos? That sounds useful. | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, the mxr repositories contain whole source repositories | 18:13 |
| lcuk | you can just use it from any browser | 18:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Just trying to decide whether to get up early on Sunday morning . . . long trip from my abode to SF, whine. | 18:14 |
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| * Jaffa 's in AppUp Sunday morning | 18:15 | |
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| sergiusens | does anyone know what package contains the debuggin symbols for pthread? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | glibc-debuinfo? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | Bdebug | 18:21 |
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| sergiusens | thanks... was searching for pthread*-debuginfo | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, if it is timeless giving the session, it might be worth getting up for! he is so animated in RL!!! :P | 18:27 |
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| naquad | hi | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know where I file bugs in the n900-de about peregrine, since bug 17524 was the first but not only one | 18:34 |
| naquad | how do i download sources of this package https://build.meego.com/package/show?package=chromium&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss from build serve? | 18:34 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17524 nor, Undecided, ---, james.ausmus, RESO INVALID, [N900 DE] Peregrine QML UI does not have "Pan to desktop" | 18:34 |
| naquad | *server | 18:34 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, yes | 18:47 |
| andre__ | let me comment | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | thanks andre__ | 18:49 |
| chem|st | DawnFoster: wrong approach to have the facebook group not up to date... who is "owner" of the group? could setup twitter to make use of it | 18:49 |
| andre__ | lcuk, done | 18:49 |
| andre__ | URL is also listed on http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/UpstreamBugTrackers | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | chem|st: some people are updating it (just not me) | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | chem|st: the LF is working to get this sorted out | 18:50 |
| chem|st | DawnFoster: ok, I was wondering about the page name containing "open" but had no deeper look | 18:51 |
| DawnFoster | chem|st: my point was that the information is no different than what people can get via twitter and other channels - they aren't "missing" anything by not being on FB | 18:51 |
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| chem|st | if they listen to other channels yes | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | andre__: i think we need to revise DE bugs after SF.. shouldnt clutter meego.com too much | 18:52 |
| DawnFoster | people are also squatting on other pages - the LF is working on it. the openmeego page is not the only one that is trying to appear to be the official page | 18:52 |
| chem|st | but the FB userbase is one to point at for spreading the "word" | 18:52 |
| gabrbedd | Don't squat on my page, bro! | 18:52 |
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| chem|st | gabrbedd: that's like an invitation | 18:53 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps|holiday, is it that much clutter actually? if so, where? :) | 18:53 |
| npm | <gabrbedd> mikhas_: That's typical for development. I would expect that it's removed on release day. If not, that's unforgivable. ==> on the netbook ux, doesn't /etc/init.d/vfirstboot run on first install, which prompts for user account/password and sets the root account to the same password (which is better than leaving it at 'meego') | 18:54 |
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| * npm catches up | 18:55 | |
| gabrbedd | npm: Running an ssh server by default on a consumer device is a major bad. | 18:55 |
| npm | well, not as bad as shipping a browser with no sandboxing | 18:55 |
| npm | :-) | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | gabrbedd: What consumer device? | 18:55 |
| npm | true, it's a developer device | 18:55 |
| gabrbedd | Jaffa: Isn't MeeGo for consumer devices? The 1.2 distribution should not have ssh servers by default. | 18:56 |
| npm | we dream of a mass distribution consumer device, this is true | 18:56 |
| gabrbedd | npm: btw, I don't think tablet runs the 'firstboot' by default. | 18:56 |
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| Jaffa | gabrbedd: What consumer gets a MeeGo image for their device from meego.com? | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | gabrbedd: There are some nearly-consumer devices in some markets which ship images based off *packages* from build.meego.com. | 18:57 |
| gabrbedd | Jaffa: OK. How about this: it's major bad for ANY LINUX DISTRO. | 18:57 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 18:57 |
| npm | gabrbedd: well that might be the problem, but that's just points to a bigger problem that all the different UX'es and duplication and lack of patch-synch between them | 18:57 |
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| Jaffa | gabrbedd: Oh yeah, it's a fail - but it's not like MeeGo 1.2 will appear as-is on any "proper" consumer devices; nor will any consumers download and use 1.2 images from meego.com | 18:58 |
| npm | if there was a "core" meego distro that was secure, and all the other "UX" inherited that security, it would be more sane | 18:58 |
| npm | but for example there's version 8, 11, and 12 of chromium packaged in different ways in all the difft uxes | 18:58 |
| npm | all w/ varying levels of lack of patches off the latest security warnings | 18:59 |
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| npm | meego needs more "all the wood behind one arrow" ... not that such mcnealyisms heped sunmicro | 19:00 |
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| naquad | how do i download sources of this package https://build.meego.com/package/show?package=chromium&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss from build server? | 19:00 |
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| npm | in addition to a public SSH there's also "631/tcp open ipp CUPS 1.4" | 19:01 |
| chem|st | ssh server? first thing installed after first boot on any *linux I setup yet... | 19:01 |
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| mikhas_ | chem|st, and you use "linux" as root password, I guess? | 19:03 |
| npm | if SSH is setup by default, it should be setup w/o root login capability, and private keys should be generated for access to any accounts. then the only thing they can do is buffer overflow sploits | 19:03 |
| gabrbedd | chem|st: Me, too. But we're not talking about guys like you and me. | 19:03 |
| chem|st | mikhas_: no ssh for root and no port 22 for ssh... | 19:03 |
| mikhas_ | chem|st, it's the default password root-login-enabled-by-default thing that's bad | 19:03 |
| chem|st | mikhas_: then make it not autostart or ask for a root passwd on first boot | 19:04 |
| mikhas_ | I am sure MeeGo can do better than a typical Wireless router, wrt. default security | 19:04 |
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| chem|st | having a default passwd is bad not the ssh server | 19:05 |
| mikhas_ | I like npm's idea more | 19:05 |
| npm | imho the vfirstboot thing should also ask whether ssh or CUPS should be setup and made public | 19:05 |
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| chem|st | and root login needs to be disabled by default | 19:05 |
| mikhas_ | (ssh keys, no password) | 19:05 |
| npm | me too :-) | 19:05 |
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| chem|st | mikhas_: ... | 19:06 |
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| chem|st | npm: the keys are on the other side not on the device | 19:06 |
| npm | actually the private key is on the device, the public key is on the other side | 19:07 |
| chem|st | so how do you automagically add them to authorized_keys?! | 19:07 |
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| npm | so you can gen a new private key for every account, and give a pointer to the id_rsa.pub file | 19:07 |
| chem|st | ? | 19:08 |
| gabrbedd | So... how is the ssh server getting in there? Is it part of the "MeeGo Base Development" package? | 19:08 |
| chem|st | private and public key on the device are for outgoing connections relevant not incoming... | 19:08 |
| npm | i'm sure there's a right way to do it, but i just use 'ssh-add' | 19:08 |
| gabrbedd | s/package/pattern/ | 19:08 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: So... how is the ssh server getting in there? Is it part of the "MeeGo Base Development" pattern? | 19:08 |
| chem|st | my desktop does not know any of the keys on my netbook | 19:09 |
| gabrbedd | If so, I think it's reasonable to expect that pattern to be removed when they release. | 19:09 |
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| chem|st | but the netbook got the .pub from desktop to ssh desktop -> netbook not the other way round | 19:09 |
| tmpsantos | It's just for me or the OBS command line client is so buggy that is nearly unusable? | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | tmpsantos: just you | 19:11 |
| tmpsantos | Stskeeps|holiday: are you using the public obs too? | 19:11 |
| * w00t_ has had various bugs with it | 19:12 | |
| Stskeeps|holiday | tmpsantos: both | 19:12 |
| tmpsantos | connection dropped all the time for me | 19:12 |
| npm | chem|st: if you want to login to host X, you add the .ssh/id_rsa.pub contents to host X's authorized_keys with an editor | 19:12 |
| tmpsantos | I had to try 6 times before successfully commit something | 19:12 |
| tmpsantos | and the webpage is utter slow :( | 19:12 |
| npm | and the client host needs .ssh/id_rsa (priv key) | 19:12 |
| lbt | tmpsantos: pub obs? | 19:12 |
| tmpsantos | lbt: yes :-/ | 19:13 |
| npm | and the permissions on them need to be exactly right or SSH won't let you in | 19:13 |
| lbt | slow? that's probably due to them making the releases today | 19:13 |
| lbt | tmpsantos: we had 50x reports earlier ... seemed a transient error. I'll loo | 19:14 |
| lbt | k | 19:14 |
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| npm | this is what happens when you get the permissions wrong: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 | 19:15 |
| tmpsantos | lbt: thanks | 19:15 |
| npm | since the bot is hung that's MeeGo Bug 11204 – "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissions, preventing passwordless login | 19:16 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 maj, High, 1.1.80.9, fboudra, NEW, "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissio | 19:16 |
| npm | i beat the bot! | 19:16 |
| npm | winning! | 19:16 |
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| CosmoHill | hello people from nokia | 19:34 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hello, CosmoHill | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | hey Alison_Chaiken | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | you guys having network issues? | 19:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I know not. I'm using Sonoma County's awesome sonic.net. | 19:45 |
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| CosmoHill | a lot of people with nokia hostmasks are coming and going | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | the people at uni in all the wisdom decided that one central server solution would be best | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | currently most of the chelmsford campus is offline | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | if we had one server per campus we'd be alright | 19:46 |
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| npm | wow somewhere i've actually been (chelmsford). i had the only kippers i ever liked for breakfast there :-) | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | npm: Chelmsford, England? | 19:49 |
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| npm | i guess HP isn't the only company in town :-/ (other than the film industry as i recall) | 19:50 |
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| npm | well i doubt they'd be serving kippers in a fancy hotel HP put me up at in chelmsford texas | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking about chelmsford Ma | 19:51 |
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| wmarone | goodness, people ask you questions and give you ~20 mins to respond before running off :/ | 19:51 |
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| CosmoHill | npm: wait, HP are in chelmsford? | 19:52 |
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| npm | they were, a long time ago, or i was sent there for some reason | 19:53 |
| CosmoHill | was it in the business complex behind the station? | 19:54 |
| npm | i wouldn't remember. | 19:54 |
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| npm | is that where you're from? | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | I go to uni there | 19:55 |
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| npm | i guess y'all's been into this stuff for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford#Marconi | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | it's a nice looking building and my grandad worked there | 20:01 |
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| CosmoHill | recently they gave the boardings a lick of paint | 20:01 |
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| npm | maybe microsoft bought them too? :-) | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | marci went years and years ago | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | yay it's raining | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | not seen rain this month :s | 20:03 |
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| jonnyro | Can anyone point me to documentation on rebuilding xorg under meego? I am trying to rebuild xorg to include xinerama support, so that I can use the nvidia driver. | 20:09 |
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| jonnyro | I have an Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit box set up to run the meego sdk | 20:10 |
| Santer | lj | 20:13 |
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| Chinmaya | iekku, ping | 20:15 |
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| npm | browser based qemu: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20063563-264.html?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks | 20:18 |
| iekku | Chinmaya, pong | 20:18 |
| RST38h | not qemu. an interpreter. | 20:18 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: compiling the kernel if you're interested :) | 20:23 |
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| Chinmaya | iekku : moved to a private chat | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | jonnyro, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors#Tips_on_Compiling_and_Packaging_Kernels | 20:32 |
| jonnyro | Thankyou :) | 20:32 |
| lcuk | I know it is relating to kernel stuff, but it should give enough hints about xorg I hope | 20:33 |
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| Umeaboy | Anyone around? | 22:56 |
| Umeaboy | I'd like to know how I can boot Meego on my TV using multiboot. | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | Umeaboy, ? model of the tv and what OS does it run currently? | 22:59 |
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| Umeaboy | lcuk: LG 60PK550N & not sure, but LG's own. | 23:01 |
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| ver | so i can't find any bug relating to http://pastebin.ca/2063402 on a quick search on the bug tracker, yet i find it difficult to believe it affects... only myself :) | 23:15 |
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| ver | this ends up relating to -enable-kvm not being a valid option to the build of qemu-gl provided which, when edited out of the madde.conf.d/ file, seems to alleviate the issue. | 23:28 |
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| CosmoHill | ver: report it on bugs.meego.com | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | even if you're the only one | 23:29 |
| Umeaboy | lcuk: Why so quiet? | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | you can always check the mailing list and forums for others | 23:29 |
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| ver | CosmoHill, i assumed i'm simply doing it wrong. | 23:30 |
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| gabrbedd | Umeaboy: lcuk was just asking you the obvious next question... the basic info that someone would need to help you. It doesn't mean that he knows the answer. He also may be AFK. | 23:32 |
| ver | oh good, registering for another account on a web app. | 23:32 |
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| * CosmoHill put an ice bun to one side to nom after finishing his update, that was an hour ago | 23:32 | |
| gabrbedd | Umeaboy: I personally don't know anyone fiddling with LG TV's... so you might be in uncharted territory. | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, correct on all points! :P | 23:38 |
| lcuk | well, apart from afk, I was browsing over there ^ | 23:39 |
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| ver | CosmoHill, it's for 1.1. should i still report? | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | try 1.2 first if you can | 23:41 |
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| ver | from git? | 23:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: hahaha :-) | 23:41 |
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| ver | i don't see a 1.2 release on the site for download, so ... | 23:42 |
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| ver | or even a nightly. | 23:46 |
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| ver | i don't even see a clean way to use git while i have all this stuff from the apt repo clogging up my system, so assuming i "switch" to using a git sdk/toolchain is there a wiki page detailing at least what i need to build from the repo for a working sdk? | 23:51 |
| ver | to use git code* | 23:51 |
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