| gabrbedd | :-) | 00:00 |
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| ieatlint | i've been advised that you must make sure you are looking for the right kind of tango — i'm told there's argentinian tango and just "tango" | 00:00 |
| * gabrbedd wishes mrs. /me was coming | 00:00 | |
| lbt | ieatlint: ah... to those in the know "Tango" *is* argentine | 00:00 |
| mikhas | cant find a MTF/LMT component @ B.M.C | 00:00 |
| mikhas | was it already removed even though we ship MeeGo 1.2 with it? | 00:01 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: figured it was worth it for this one | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | lbt: my gf smiles and says "ok" in a very dismissive voice | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | (a voice i'm all too familiar with) | 00:01 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: did you look on under the "projects" section? | 00:01 |
| lbt | ieatlint: hehe ... as our ballroom teacher would say | 00:01 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, no such thing @ https://bugs.meego.com/describecomponents.cgi | 00:02 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, found, thanks | 00:02 |
| lbt | ieatlint: does she dance? | 00:02 |
| chouchoune | for french people around there : registrations open for Intel App Lab in Paris on 17th of June | 00:02 |
| ieatlint | afraid not, and i'm far too awkward of a geek myself | 00:03 |
| lbt | nah .. no such thing | 00:03 |
| lbt | but nm | 00:03 |
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| ieatlint | should be a good conference.. | 00:07 |
| ieatlint | intel is also doing a workshop on sunday that should prove interesting | 00:08 |
| lbt | no ExoPCs this time ... :) | 00:12 |
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| ieatlint | you sure? :) | 00:14 |
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| lbt | ieatlint: was going to go to appup on sunday but the intel site won't let me register - claims my email is registered but won't send me an email :( | 00:23 |
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| ieatlint | lbt: I registered earlier today, as did a friend… not sure what the deal would be | 00:31 |
| lbt | I have registered on various intel sites over the years, each needing a new registration.... I wonder if appup took an old dev account | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | lbt, perhaps DawnFoster will know who to ping to ask properly | 00:46 |
| Jartza | whew | 00:47 |
| Jartza | a few people celebrating today in finland :) | 00:47 |
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| lbt | lcuk: I used another email address... | 00:48 |
| lbt | the people doing that site think it's clever to stop you cut'n'pasting passwords... | 00:48 |
| DawnFoster | hmmm? | 00:48 |
| lbt | so I have very little hope they have brains | 00:48 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: oh, just registering at an Intel site | 00:49 |
| lbt | "your email is in use" | 00:49 |
| lbt | but then not actually managing to send a reminder to me... | 00:49 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: aha, for the record, I have nothing to do with any of the Intel sites :) | 00:49 |
| lbt | I didn't think you would | 00:50 |
| DawnFoster | but I know the people who do | 00:50 |
| lbt | since it doesn't work properly | 00:50 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 00:51 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: good save! | 00:51 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: let me ping someone who knows about the app up registrations | 00:51 |
| lbt | if you see them ... tell them that disabling cut'n'paste on a web page is not user-friendly | 00:51 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I confirmed that you are registered :) | 00:51 |
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| DawnFoster | was there info you needed? | 00:52 |
| lbt | No, I was just moaning in case anyone was around | 00:52 |
| lbt | I sent off a feedback form too | 00:52 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: cool - I asked them to poke into the logs to make sure it's not a bigger issue | 00:54 |
| lbt | ah, well, if it's not a faceless area then it feels much better :) | 00:55 |
| lbt | so often you send in some comment and think ... "/dev/null" | 00:56 |
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| mikhas | will updates for MeeGo 1.2 be bugfix-only? | 01:01 |
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| mikhas | lbt, did you actually sign the app up agreement legalese? | 01:02 |
| mikhas | I found it unparseable and could not figure out whether I actually can sign it or not ... | 01:02 |
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| lbt | mikhas: as with so many legal docs and frameworks,,,, but yes, I did. | 01:06 |
| lbt | I was rather uncertain about AppUp at first | 01:06 |
| lbt | but I think they're doing the right thing in many ways | 01:06 |
| lbt | I'm meeting someone on tuesday to talk about some ideas that came up in Tampere | 01:07 |
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| lbt | basically to extend the c.obs to publish to AppUp | 01:08 |
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| mikhas | lbt, that's not an excuse - legal documents still bind you, whether you signed one shitty one or a 100 shitty ones | 01:09 |
| lbt | I know... so sue me | 01:09 |
| lbt | ;) | 01:09 |
| mikhas | DawnFoster, please poke someone to simplify those terms for AppUp signup ... | 01:09 |
| lbt | ah, my registration email arrived... | 01:10 |
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| lbt | so it's just the account reminder that was problematic | 01:10 |
| DawnFoster | mikhas: yeah, let me again say that I work mostly on the Linux Foundation stuff :) | 01:10 |
| mikhas | still, I would assume you have the contacts | 01:10 |
| DawnFoster | mikhas: the people on site running the training (Brian & Kelly) run that program and are the right ones to talk to | 01:11 |
| mikhas | alright | 01:11 |
| mikhas | I'll crash their party then | 01:12 |
| DawnFoster | mikhas: just better that they hear it from you | 01:12 |
| mikhas | j/k | 01:12 |
| mikhas | understood | 01:12 |
| DawnFoster | you should crash their Monday night party! | 01:12 |
| mikhas | ha | 01:12 |
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| DawnFoster | http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=167040130022151 | 01:13 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: OK ... no clue what the best way to set out a page is... here's a draft :) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/partners | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | lbt :D what a great idea | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | people should also know that those planning to go to alcatraz should buy their tickets online in advance | 01:26 |
| lbt | ieatlint: ooo | 01:26 |
| lbt | h | 01:26 |
| lbt | tips... | 01:26 |
| lbt | edit the page ... please | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | I like the organization of it | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | simple, easy | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | you'll save a LOT of time standing in line, and the ferries sell out routinely | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | http://www.alcatrazcruises.com/ is where you do that | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | and there's a train that runs in front of the hotel that will take you to where that ferry is | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | lbt: i can add a few basic tips if you tell me which wiki page to do it on | 01:29 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Tourism | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | ok lbt, connected partners with tourism | 01:34 |
| lcuk | (on the partners page, added link to tourism) | 01:34 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, have you ever been to SF before? | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: many, many times | 01:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | a few times a year usually | 01:35 |
| lcuk | then you should have some excellent tips for the wiki :P | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | and I lived in san jose for about 9 months | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | the only catch is that I haven't done the sightseeing thing for years | 01:36 |
| DawnFoster | work always keeps my busy | 01:36 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:36 | |
| lcuk | as well as cooking! | 01:36 |
| DawnFoster | I know all of the good vegetarian restaurants :) | 01:36 |
| lcuk | put a couple on the tourism thing then | 01:37 |
| lcuk | for the first time since I wrote liqbase, I have about 95% of all the sketches ever drawn on it in one graffiti wall :O | 01:37 |
| * lcuk had to rebuild the graffiti wall though to make it usable and scrollable | 01:38 | |
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| lcuk | 20080415 is the first date listed, it is lacking a set of really early sketches, but it is working happily! | 01:39 |
| lbt | well, I can start the ball rolling ... | 01:39 |
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| DawnFoster | ok, I added a few thigns | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | :D | 01:51 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: someone else can add a section for their favorite all meat restaurants :) | 01:56 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, epicmealtime! | 01:56 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I'm all about the food | 01:56 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping ... more soon but I started an outline for the tutorial http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/OBS | 02:05 |
| lbt | night all o/ | 02:05 |
| DawnFoster | night lbt | 02:06 |
| lcuk | nn lbt \o | 02:08 |
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| Guest70561 | Hey... where can i get the source for appup client for netbook? | 03:30 |
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| gabrbedd | Guest70561: you can't. That's intel's thing, anyway. | 03:32 |
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| gabrbedd | luist: That is to say, Intel's AppUp client is a closed-source binary. (At least, last I checked) | 03:33 |
| luist | So i cant customize the application? | 03:33 |
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| gabrbedd | luist: Probably not. Ask on an AppUp forum. | 03:35 |
| sergiusens | luist: I work on that, and yes, it's closed source and I don't think you can customize it, but I'm not sure I understand the question either | 03:35 |
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| luist | Ok just wondering... my company is starting an intel project for netbooks and tablets and they asked me to research about appup because we were using meego garage with our own repositories and applications | 03:40 |
| sergiusens | well if that's the case, I'm just a miserable software dev these days, but perhaps can get you in touch with the right people | 03:41 |
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| luist | Ok thanks for ths information :) | 03:42 |
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| megomaniak | hello boys and girls... long time no see | 03:53 |
| megomaniak | miss me? | 03:53 |
| megomaniak | why the sad faces? | 03:53 |
| megomaniak | knock knock | 03:54 |
| megomaniak | how's that LG phone coming along? | 03:55 |
| megomaniak | heard today it's POS...thoughts? | 03:56 |
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| megomaniak | not a talkative bunch are we? | 03:57 |
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| megomaniak | hello ! | 03:58 |
| megomaniak | can anyone help me with meego on n900? | 03:59 |
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| asia | hi | 04:06 |
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| elcaset | hi everybody! | 06:09 |
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| elcaset | what are the names of graphical file managers for Meego? | 06:10 |
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| elcaset | must be sleepy time in Europe & India? | 06:39 |
| gabrbedd | elcaset: Netbook has one. Some gnome-based thing. There aren't any others that I know of. | 06:41 |
| elcaset | Kool. thanks gabrbedd. sounds like I need to make a Qt based one like dolphin! | 06:42 |
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| gabrbedd | elcaset: sounds good to me. :-) I think the Tablet/Handset stuff could use a good one. | 06:44 |
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| elcaset | gabrbedd: the tablet version of Meego doesn't have a gui file manager does it? I got to use a Meego tablet at Linuxfest north west near Seattle & one of the 1st questions I had while trying it out was "where's the file browser" | 06:54 |
| gabrbedd | elcaset: Right. If there is one, I'm not aware of it. | 06:55 |
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| elcaset | Thanks gabrbedd. Do you know if there's a media player like vlc for Meego that can play any multimedia file? If not, that's the next app I think is needed, | 07:16 |
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| gabrbedd | elcaset: netbook uses "banshee" last I check. Tablet has its own media player (meego-ux-media or something like that) | 07:18 |
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| elcaset | Good to know, gabrbedd. Banshee (Mono) on Meego. I would've guessed Meego would have more Qt-based KDE-ish apps, but now I know. | 07:25 |
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| gabrbedd | elcaset: The Netbook edition (inherited from Moblin) is very GNOME-ish. However, it's an exception. Everything else is doing the Qt thing. | 07:26 |
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| elcaset | gabrbedd: got it. Intel was probably more focused on GTK/GNOME at the time. | 07:27 |
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| iekku | morning | 08:12 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: Howdy! | 08:13 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, o/ | 08:13 |
| iekku | annoying, i have flu | 08:13 |
| iekku | need to get well beforu Sat | 08:13 |
| iekku | also before | 08:14 |
| * gabrbedd give iekku some chicken soup | 08:19 | |
| iekku | :) | 08:19 |
| iekku | working network connection to my home "office" could be usefull also :P | 08:20 |
| gabrbedd | now, or while in SFO? | 08:21 |
| iekku | now and always | 08:21 |
| iekku | even irc has lag | 08:21 |
| gabrbedd | yuk. tampere? | 08:22 |
| iekku | yes, elisa <3 | 08:22 |
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| * gabrbedd looks at map | 08:23 | |
| gabrbedd | There's a city called 'Nokia' ?? I didn't know that. | 08:24 |
| gabrbedd | Who is named for who? | 08:24 |
| Bostik | the company, from the city | 08:25 |
| Bostik | from everfriendly wikipedia: "The eponymous telecommunications giant Nokia was founded by Fredrik Idestam in 1865 as a pulp mill. The Finnish Rubber Works Ltd (Suomen Gummitehdas Oy) (founded 1898) set up a factory in Nokia in 1904. These two companies and Finnish Cable Works Ltd (Suomen kaapelitehdas Oy) amalgamated in 1967 forming Nokia Corporation." | 08:26 |
| Bostik | way into late 1980's Nokia was still best known for making some jolly good rubber boots :) | 08:27 |
| iekku | that's why nokia is sometimes called "kumisaapastehdas" "rubberboots factory" | 08:27 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 08:28 |
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| timoph | they made very good rubber boots | 08:31 |
| timoph | iirc I still have a pair somewhere | 08:32 |
| iekku | unfortunately i don't :( | 08:34 |
| iekku | i remember when i was child and asked mom several times to buy me pair, because i'm big girl already. she refused because i had good children rubber boots, so i took a needle and said that they aren't good anymore | 08:36 |
| timoph | :D | 08:36 |
| iekku | when i was grown up i told mom what i did to get new boots :D | 08:36 |
| timoph | natural born punk | 08:36 |
| iekku | timoph, so it seems | 08:36 |
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| elcaset | I'm trying to make it to the Meego Con in San Francisco this weekend from here in Seattle. Anybody here headed from up north to that convention? | 08:42 |
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| gabrbedd | good night, all! Have a great day! :-) | 08:53 |
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| timoph | elcaset: yeah. Flying in from Finland :) | 08:57 |
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| ace | : how can we know which version of meebo is installed | 10:03 |
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| eg81 | cat /etc/issue | 10:21 |
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| timoph | ace: /etc/meego-release | 10:25 |
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| amjad_ | has some one seen Stskeeps lately?? | 10:29 |
| amjad_ | he is on vacation right thats what his irc says, nm | 10:30 |
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| iekku | amjad_, yes, he is having a vacation now | 10:38 |
| thiago_home | amjad_: he's already in the US | 10:39 |
| * w00t_ wonders what the US will be like | 10:41 | |
| w00t_ | I've never been there before | 10:41 |
| ieatlint | imagine the arrogance of the french, except when we don't speak english as well | 10:42 |
| iekku | w00t_, same here | 10:42 |
| ieatlint | there's good beer though | 10:43 |
| chouchoune | what ? noooooooo french aren't arrogant ! ;) | 10:46 |
| ieatlint | neither are americans ;) | 10:48 |
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| amjad_ | well one difference between EU and US is public transportation, you wont find relaible public transportation in usa, so get ready to drive and in places like SF , enjoy the traffic jams :) | 10:53 |
| * amjad_ lived in us for 7 years | 10:53 | |
| ieatlint | actually the public transit in sf isn't that bad at all | 10:54 |
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| sivang | can anybdy please dig me the logs of me and Mats chatting about the fault in the compliance and enforcing test suite of Android? | 10:58 |
| sivang | forgot to enable logs for that chat.. | 10:58 |
| sivang | and my memory is, well, not what it used to be :) | 10:58 |
| * sivang tries the online logs | 10:58 | |
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| sivang | oh those logs are excellent, hm where is Stskeeps I wanted to thank him.. | 11:03 |
| sivang | hi all btw | 11:03 |
| thiago_home | hey sivan | 11:05 |
| sivang | hey thiago_home | 11:06 |
| sivang | thiago_home: submitting my last minute BoFs the late CfP was an excellent idea | 11:06 |
| sivang | and I have a few :0 | 11:07 |
| sivang | :) | 11:07 |
| thiago_home | good | 11:07 |
| thiago_home | oh, crap, I forgot to write a blurb for the website on the talks we accepted last week | 11:07 |
| sivang | so do it :) | 11:08 |
| sivang | thiago_home: the agenda looked a bit thin, now I Know why :-p | 11:09 |
| thiago_home | I have six hours until at least Dawn wakes up | 11:09 |
| iekku | sivang, he is on vacation | 11:11 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: time to get cracking? | 11:11 |
| thiago_home | yes, within the next 6 hours | 11:11 |
| w00t_ | oh, happy norway day by the way :-) | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | thanks | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | gratulerer med dagen to you too | 11:12 |
| * w00t_ should print off a flag and hang it above his desk | 11:12 | |
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| * thiago_home was woken up by kids preparing for the parade | 11:13 | |
| * w00t_ was woken up by his faulty alarm clock, 2.5 hours early | 11:14 | |
| w00t_ | after going to bed at around 4, which was painful | 11:14 |
| thiago_home | you're working on your 6-11 line count then | 11:14 |
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| w00t_ | hmm? | 11:15 |
| thiago_home | irc stats | 11:16 |
| sivang | iekku: oh, i see | 11:17 |
| sivang | w00t_: craking with what ? :) | 11:17 |
| sivang | thiago_home: did not know there's a day like | 11:17 |
| sivang | is it like the independence day ? | 11:17 |
| thiago_home | yes | 11:18 |
| thiago_home | independence from Sweden | 11:18 |
| sivang | ah nice | 11:18 |
| sivang | heh | 11:18 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: hahaha | 11:18 |
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| elcaset | timoph: Finland. vs. Seattle. yep, you've got me beat as far as coming from the north to the Meego Con :)> It sounds like a lot of people in here are going to San Francisco Meego Con? | 11:20 |
| thiago_home | though technically we celebrate 17 May 1814, Constitution day | 11:20 |
| timoph | :) | 11:20 |
| iekku | elcaset, i'm doing the same, even 5 km norther then timoph :P | 11:21 |
| iekku | than.... | 11:21 |
| iekku | i can write, i can write | 11:21 |
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| elcaset | iekku Kuhl, you are neighbours. In my neighbourhood near Seattle, I live on Finn Hill. Settled by people from Finland. | 11:22 |
| iekku | elcaset, we are small nation, but we are everywhere... that's why there's only few of us in finland :P | 11:23 |
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| elcaset | iekku: that sounds about right. :) | 11:24 |
| elcaset | anybody know the only loan word in English from Suomi? | 11:25 |
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| iekku | is there one? | 11:25 |
| mikhas | tell me tell me | 11:25 |
| iekku | perkele? | 11:25 |
| elcaset | no, what's perkele? | 11:25 |
| mikhas | :-) | 11:25 |
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| iekku | oh wait, that's something swedish ha loaned | 11:26 |
| sivang | hmm, the sytem did notlet me choose if I want a bof or a session | 11:26 |
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| iekku | elcaset, not so nice word. if you hit your toe or something like that it usually comes from mouth... | 11:26 |
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| elcaset | oh ok. like uff da for Norsk-Americans. | 11:27 |
| sivang | thiago_home: to remove any doubt, all my sessions are actually BoFs as I need he discussion this time. | 11:27 |
| sivang | :) | 11:27 |
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| sivang | (and for the rest ofthe program committe) | 11:27 |
| iekku | elcaset, butt please tell the word? | 11:27 |
| elcaset | It's Sauna. | 11:28 |
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| iekku | oh :) | 11:28 |
| iekku | i think it's in use worldwide | 11:28 |
| iekku | not only in eglish | 11:28 |
| elcaset | that's probably true! | 11:29 |
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| elcaset | in most latguages people don't know sauna is a Suomi word. | 11:29 |
| elcaset | oops, languages. | 11:30 |
| iekku | true | 11:30 |
| sivang | What about Taoullina ? :) ( I know I spelled it bad) | 11:30 |
| sivang | iekku: ^ | 11:30 |
| elcaset | wat ist Taouillina? | 11:31 |
| iekku | hmm, don't know | 11:31 |
| iekku | timoph, ? | 11:31 |
| villev | tallinna? | 11:32 |
| timoph | tallina? | 11:32 |
| sivang | yes | 11:32 |
| sivang | :) | 11:32 |
| elcaset | the city in Estonia? Talinn? | 11:32 |
| sivang | it is such a pretty word | 11:32 |
| iekku | not in finland | 11:32 |
| sivang | no | 11:32 |
| sivang | it is the name of the gentle piece of cloth you sit on in he Sauna | 11:33 |
| sivang | *the | 11:33 |
| * sivang misses Finland | 11:33 | |
| iekku | hmmm, laudeliina | 11:33 |
| elcaset | it does sound a bit like towel. weird coincidence. | 11:33 |
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| sivang | elcaset: heh | 11:34 |
| sivang | is there not a t there/ | 11:34 |
| sivang | ? | 11:34 |
| elcaset | i didn't see laudiliina yet when i typed that. i meant tallina. | 11:35 |
| sivang | he | 11:35 |
| sivang | ah | 11:35 |
| sivang | so the Estonian city | 11:36 |
| elcaset | no, i thought talina is a towel, but it's actually laudiliina. just a mix-up. ;) | 11:37 |
| iekku | elcaset, laudEliina :P | 11:38 |
| elcaset | ah , thank you. laudeliina. i'm learning! | 11:39 |
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| iekku | soon you speak like native ;) | 11:40 |
| elcaset | thanks, iekku. I hope so. but i'm realistic, I know Suomi is one of the more complicated languages to learn in the world, but it is beautiful. | 11:42 |
| iekku | beautiful? | 11:42 |
| iekku | ok :) | 11:42 |
| elcaset | to hear Suomi spoken \, yes, it is beautiful, i think. | 11:43 |
| Jartza | I can't think finnish as beautiful language :) | 11:43 |
| Jartza | maybe it's just because I'm finnish | 11:43 |
| iekku | hmm, i don't really speak finnish | 11:44 |
| Jartza | although I think some years ago the sentence "alavilla mailla hallan vaara" was selected as the most beautiful sounding sentence in the world :D | 11:44 |
| iekku | it's somekind of mixup of savo, oulu-area and tampere | 11:44 |
| iekku | Jartza, that's so difficult to explain in english, have you ever tried? | 11:45 |
| Jartza | roughly translated it's "danger of the frosting on low-lying ground" | 11:45 |
| Jartza | or something like that :) | 11:45 |
| Jartza | iekku: I've tried :) | 11:45 |
| iekku | :D | 11:45 |
| elcaset | Just like I don't think the accent I grew up with is beutiful either. But English with a Scottish accent, I do think that's beautiful. | 11:46 |
| iekku | yes it is | 11:46 |
| Jartza | I don't know what accent I have in my english | 11:46 |
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| elcaset | probably a Finnish accent, right? | 11:47 |
| elcaset | frosting should probably be frost. | 11:47 |
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| elcaset | frosting is sweet stuff on a cake. | 11:48 |
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| iekku | i have finnish rally accent :D | 11:48 |
| elcaset | rally = car race? | 11:48 |
| iekku | yeah | 11:49 |
| iekku | have you ever heard how the finns are talking? it's not very smooth | 11:50 |
| Jartza | elcaset: I've been told it's not finnish accent | 11:50 |
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| Jartza | iekku: especially finnish rally drivers :) | 11:50 |
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| elcaset | haven't heard fiinish car rally yet. only movies. | 11:51 |
| Jartza | "rock. up timo's ass" | 11:51 |
| iekku | haha | 11:51 |
| Jartza | elcaset: check "up timo's ass" from youtube and you know what "rally english" means :) | 11:51 |
| elcaset | Jartza: did you learn British English. maybe you have a british accent, | 11:52 |
| Jartza | I don't know :) | 11:52 |
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| Jartza | I've been travelling, I think it's a mixture of many. | 11:53 |
| iekku | i usually adopt automatically the accent from the people i'm talking with | 11:53 |
| elcaset | that sounds like a cool accent like sailors have who've lived all around. | 11:53 |
| elcaset | iekku, i do the same.' | 11:54 |
| Jartza | elcaset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGbrM-MMRk | 11:54 |
| Jartza | :D | 11:54 |
| elcaset | ok. i'm going to watch it. | 11:54 |
| Jartza | in the end of the video :) | 11:54 |
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| Jartza | that's rally english :) | 11:55 |
| elcaset | omg!!! that's awesome. | 11:57 |
| elcaset | rally english & Scottish English & ass in one video! | 11:58 |
| Jartza | :D | 11:58 |
| elcaset | that must be a very thin car seat. | 11:58 |
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| Jartza | they were driving 150km/h and it was a steel bar :) | 12:01 |
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| elcaset | ooh, a steel bar, even worse than a stone! yikes. | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | sandst1, [root@localhost ~]# zypper update | 12:32 |
| lcuk | Repository 'gluon' is invalid. | 12:32 |
| lcuk | [gluon|http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%253a/sandst1/ProjectDE/armv7nhl/] Repository type can't be determined. | 12:32 |
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| sandst1 | lcuk: that's the wrong address | 12:33 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/sandst1/ProjectDE/armv7nhl/ | 12:33 |
| sandst1 | for some reason.. | 12:33 |
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| lcuk | sandst1, copy and paste from the wiki seems likely | 12:35 |
| CosmoHill | is this where one of them doc masters comes in handy? | 12:35 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: yup | 12:36 |
| lcuk | ok gotten further | 12:36 |
| lcuk | libattica is now not available | 12:36 |
| lcuk | but it is at least trying to install gluon | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | btw, the repo address is: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sandst1/ProjectDE/ | 12:36 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: ah, good point :) updating the wiki | 12:37 |
| sandst1 | thx | 12:37 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: BTW, happy to meet at either LHR or SFO to organise getting to San Francisco from the airport/say hi etc. | 12:42 |
| lcuk | hi Jaffa \o | 12:43 |
| alterego | Jaffa: cool :) | 12:45 |
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| thiago_home | mind your luggage in LHR | 12:48 |
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| alterego | Everyone says LHR is really bad? | 12:55 |
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| thiago_home | yes | 12:58 |
| thiago_home | I have successfully avoided connecting in LHR all my life | 12:58 |
| thiago_home | LHR has only been endpoints for me | 12:58 |
| iekku | how come it's bad? | 12:59 |
| alterego | Well, I'm quite a cautions and weary person anyway, and especially when I'm carrying about 2-3k pounds worth of stuff :) | 12:59 |
| iekku | thiago_home, ?? | 13:01 |
| iekku | i haven't travel a lot, so ... | 13:01 |
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| thiago_home | your checked luggage never goes through | 13:02 |
| alterego | How do you mean? | 13:03 |
| chouchoune | I've already had connections through LHR (several times) and it's not so horrible | 13:03 |
| chouchoune | at least taking British Airways | 13:04 |
| alterego | I guess it depends on your previous experiences with it. | 13:04 |
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| chouchoune | and I had several issues in other airports | 13:04 |
| alterego | I hope Virgin Atlantic are better than BA ;) | 13:04 |
| chouchoune | (Munich, Beyruth, Riyadh) | 13:04 |
| chouchoune | BA is fine | 13:04 |
| alterego | Luckily I've never had any issues in any airports, but that just means it's going to suck harder when I do I guess. | 13:04 |
| alterego | Especially if it's this weekend. | 13:05 |
| iekku | i didn't get it | 13:05 |
| iekku | luggage disappears? not in same flight? what? | 13:05 |
| Jaffa | alterego: T5's OK. T3's a bit of a dump. | 13:06 |
| chouchoune | With Middle East Airlines in Beyruth once my luggages disappeared and they never found it again | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | alterego: But for passing through it's OK. There'a a nice steak house in the corner of the departure lounge | 13:06 |
| chouchoune | They had to reimburse me for what was inside | 13:06 |
| chouchoune | yes, and a quite big duty free zone | 13:06 |
| chouchoune | if you like to do shopping | 13:07 |
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| sivang | re | 13:10 |
| sivang | 3G went off, train stoped | 13:10 |
| sivang | so it seem that with most f the proposals submitted, this is finally going to be more work and spec'ing less talk event | 13:11 |
| * sivang is pleased. | 13:11 | |
| sivang | much of them are BoFs | 13:11 |
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| Jaffa | Grr: "BART's fare structure is built on a mileage-based formula therefore weekly or monthly passes are not available." | 13:21 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: huh. I'm sure we found some form of pass | 13:22 |
| * w00t_ will ask later | 13:22 | |
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| Jaffa | w00t_: http://www.bart.gov/tickets/index.aspx | 13:24 |
| w00t_ | sucks if that's the case | 13:25 |
| * Jaffa works out how much a fare between Powell Street & Embacadero is | 13:25 | |
| Jaffa | $3.50 for a round-trip | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | $16.20 for a return to SFO | 13:26 |
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| Jaffa | So, with a few nights/excursions to the center, about $30 may be sufficient | 13:26 |
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| Myrtti | I can't understand what the pricing model is with the presold BART SFO-City vouchers | 13:41 |
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| Myrtti | with what logic is it better to buy a voucher of 18USD in advance than a 8.10USD ticket at the airport | 13:42 |
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| alterego | Myrtti: no I don't think it's better. | 13:43 |
| alterego | You're paying 10 dollars to join a shorter queue | 13:44 |
| Myrtti | alterego: exactly | 13:44 |
| * alterego is British, doesn't mind queueing ;) | 13:44 | |
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| Myrtti | there just has to be some logic and I'm intrigued to find out what it is | 13:45 |
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| slaine | Is 1.2 release day today or next week ? | 13:46 |
| slaine | I forget | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: lol | 13:46 |
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| iekku | is it allowed to take safetypins to the plane? | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | sandst1, well gluon player icon is on the screen, but starting it comes up with odd display and no content | 13:54 |
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| lbt | w00t_: Jaffa add to the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Tourism page | 13:57 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: oookay. i guess the gluon guys know what it should do etc, i just packaged it : ) | 13:58 |
| lcuk | roger | 13:58 |
| lcuk | i updated the wiki with the steps I did | 13:58 |
| lcuk | since adding the kde repository did not seem to allow installation, I just did the wget ... rpm -i ... method | 13:59 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: ok, nice | 13:59 |
| iekku | ooh, vegetarian restaurants list \o/ | 14:00 |
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| Myrtti | I'm still wondering if anyone else is interested in the MakerFaire in San Mateo on the weekend | 14:00 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, add it to the tourism page | 14:00 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Tourism | 14:00 |
| Myrtti | I would if the stupid wiki would realise I'm logged in | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | sandst1, did it install correctly for you when you tested it? | 14:38 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: didn't have time to test properly yet due to things like work.... | 14:38 |
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| jani | does anyone know if there's anyone working with meego for intel ce4100 ? | 15:21 |
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| slaine | jani, I believe thats covered under the meego tv banner | 15:26 |
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| jani | slaine: any links ? https://meego.com/devices/smart-tv was the first hit and its not really that good start page to look for info =) | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 15:47 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: hey | 15:47 |
| slaine | jani: Probably the mailing list archives, the group is only getting started | 15:47 |
| slaine | jani, Also, iirc, you should be able to get meego details from your Intel contacts (where you got the ce4100 dev boards ) | 15:48 |
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| jani | slaine: actually, im more interested on Boxee Box which ships with intel ce4100 .. | 15:50 |
| slaine | Ah, well, you'd have to get the drivers from Intel, they're not open due to using Imagine PowerVR IP in the gfx core (Remember the GMA500 ?) | 15:51 |
| jani | but issue is that they (boxee) implemented quite hard drm on the device and it would be very to replace their software with meego stack. | 15:51 |
| slaine | jani, MeeGoTV is where that's happening, but not exactly targetted at the Boxee Box | 15:51 |
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| amjad_ | interesting session at sf2011 about Meego use in yatches for ivi (vehicle in this case is a yatch/cruiser) | 15:58 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Good morning! | 16:30 |
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| slaine | morning gabrbedd | 16:31 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I think we've pretty much decided that the solution to our mcompositor problems is... switch to matchbox. | 16:31 |
| gabrbedd | (or a similar WM) | 16:31 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: Hey, bro | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | hey gab | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | hey gabrbedd | 16:32 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: \o. | 16:32 |
| tomeu | gabrbedd: my clutter app is sensibly slower with matchbox (with composition enabled) than with mutter | 16:33 |
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| eluiandil | Hello | 16:33 |
| jani | gabrbedd: tried to push those two bugs of yours its like talking a brick wall.. | 16:33 |
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| gabrbedd | tomeu: In my first try with mutter, I couldn't make it work with the MeeGo UX (failed to start X). I didn't dig in to why... just moved on. | 16:34 |
| gabrbedd | jani: Tell me about it! :-p I figured up-front that I would be considered a corner-case. | 16:35 |
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| gabrbedd | jani: My MeeGo UX bugs have been resolved (thanks to rustylynch) -- but the mcompositor ones are like an onion. | 16:36 |
| gabrbedd | jani: Once you solve one issue, it uncovers another deeper issue. | 16:36 |
| mikhas | that's because you have a heavily patched mcompositor in MeeGo, no? | 16:37 |
| eluiandil | Can I compile kernel for meego using Windows Meego SDK? | 16:37 |
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| mikhas | gabrbedd, am finding strange window management bugs in MeeGo that never happened in Harmattan, although both use mcompositor ... | 16:38 |
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| mikhas | gabrbedd, jani: if you happen to look at window manager issues, perhaps you know what's going on here - https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17678 | 16:43 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17678 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, First touch on virtual keyboard (after a VKB request) always goes to application | 16:43 |
| mikhas | it's one of the issues we would need to get fixed for the new MeeGo Terminal app, too | 16:43 |
| eluiandil | I asked, becouse I can't run meego on vitrualbox. After installation and setting username I have only black screen. | 16:43 |
| RoestVrijStaal | hey im looking for a smartphone, and because Android and iOS support Big Brother, i focus my eye to meego...but...are there more recent smartphones on the market containing meego except the nokia N900? | 16:44 |
| GAN900 | No. | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: It's a focus issue. I think Kimmo's posted a fix to that on his "staging" branch. | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: That was actually one of the issues I was having (although with menus instead of VKBD) | 16:45 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, ah - great | 16:45 |
| mikhas | why's kuzak not in this channel :-) | 16:46 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, can you drop a comment perhaps? | 16:47 |
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| eluiandil | OR,Is it possible compile kernel on real device(netbook)? I can prepare all stuff for compilation and I have a device. | 16:49 |
| lcuk | eluiandil, it should certainly be | 16:49 |
| lcuk | development packages ala sdk stuff are all available | 16:49 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, that is great, how does tablet ux operate on there? | 16:50 |
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| RoestVrijStaal | so..it seems i have to wait to LG and that chinese telephone network operator till they release their own phone with MeeGo...(because they said that in the news when it becomes clear Nokia leaves meego more and more ) or...can i just nuke android off an unencrypted Samsung mobile ( because i heard HTC encrypts it ) | 16:51 |
| * gabrbedd makes comment for mikhas | 16:52 | |
| gabrbedd | eluiandil: Compiling on real device is possible. Take a lot of disk space (around 1 GB IIRC). I've never tried to compile a kernel in a virtual env. | 16:52 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: It works pretty good. I've got window frames and title bars (uncool), but otherwise is stable and works as expected. | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | good stuff | 16:53 |
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| eluiandil | gabrbedd, lcuk: thanx a lot. | 16:54 |
| gabrbedd | RoestVrijStaal: Unless you're a developer and enjoy breaking things... you probably just want to wait. | 16:54 |
| RoestVrijStaal | gabrbedd: ok | 16:55 |
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| mikhas | gabrbedd, look! kuzak's here ;-) | 17:02 |
| kuzak | \o/ | 17:03 |
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| gabrbedd | Hi kuzak :-) | 17:10 |
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| gabrbedd | kuzak: Thanks again for all your help. | 17:11 |
| kuzak | gabrbedd, hi. no problem they're our bugs anyway.. | 17:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh hey | 17:12 |
| timeless_w7ip | andre__: ping | 17:12 |
| timeless_w7ip | looks like i'm sharing a flight w/ you to MeeGo conf :) | 17:12 |
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| andre__ | timeless_w7ip, heh, true... http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information | 17:13 |
| gabrbedd | kuzak: One thing I enjoy about distribution development is all the cool stuff you learn when chasing other people's bugs. :-) | 17:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | andre__: we need to have a banner or something so we can get together @AMS :) | 17:15 |
| andre__ | I know your face anyway. ;-) | 17:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | do I know kyb3r? | 17:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | and what's your point of origin? | 17:16 |
| andre__ | previous plane comes from Prague | 17:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | ok | 17:16 |
| andre__ | so somewhere in the waiting hall we should spot each other I guess... | 17:17 |
| kuzak | gabrbedd, yep, things that are not automatically tested break easily.. there should be some tests for read back from the root window and compare that the window is actually shown on the screen, not just stacked right.. | 17:17 |
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| timeless_w7ip | hrm, we're currently outnumbered by the 11:55 flight via FRA | 17:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | so... | 17:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | i think i'm going to move the 'origin' bits to the comments column | 17:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | objections? | 17:18 |
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| andre__ | I don't care. Don't even know why people mention. | 17:19 |
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| mikhas | andre__, am on same flight me thinks | 17:21 |
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| mikhas | yup, KL 0605 | 17:21 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: that's a nice way to look at it ;) | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Why does the "MeeGo SDK 1.2 for Windows (Preview)" have the filename "meego-sdk-1.2-preview-installer-basic-tablet.exe"? | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | What if I want to do Handset or Netbook? | 17:25 |
| alterego | I don't think Intel are pushing those platforms anymore .. | 17:25 |
| alterego | At least not that much, right now .. | 17:25 |
| alterego | From their perspective tablet is glitzy enough to show off and get developer interest. | 17:26 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: Yeah... the flip side is that I can't work on my own stuff. :-) | 17:26 |
| * Jaffa loves the fragmentation which is being baked into MeeGo from the start. It took ages for Android to get this good :-/ | 17:26 | |
| alterego | gabrbedd: hah, silver lining :D | 17:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | mikhas: add yourself to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information :) | 17:26 |
| mikhas | Jaffa, ? | 17:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | mikhas: sarcasm | 17:29 |
| Jaffa | mikhas: To live the dream, it looks like I need to install Nokia Qt SDK 1.1, add on Qt Creator 2.2 on top of it and Intel AppUp MeeGo 1.2 SDK Preview alongside. | 17:30 |
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| Jaffa | All of them basically containing the same things. But, AFAICT, no documentation or capability to share things and not waste disk space (or have multiple IDEs to configure) | 17:30 |
| thiago_home | Jaffa: let's hope we can begin to clear this mess in SF | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | Jaffa: we've already merged the Nokia Qt SDK into the Qt SDK 1.1 | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | Jaffa: the next step is to merge the MeeGo SDK and the AppUp plugins into it | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | then the Android bits and pieces | 17:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | android bits? | 17:31 |
| thiago_home | yes | 17:32 |
| thiago_home | the Necessitas SDK | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | thiago_home: Are these *proper* plugins (i.e. something a dedicated user could do), or are they more build time thingys | 17:32 |
| mikhas | Jaffa, strange, I only took the IdeaPad out of the shelves, installed recent Tablet UX image, installed headers + Qt, started development | 17:32 |
| slaine | thiago_home: I don't you're allowed mention that OS here are you ? | 17:32 |
| mikhas | that's the best SDK ever | 17:32 |
| * timeless_w7ip is trying to figure out someone else's flight based on origin, dest, and arrival time | 17:32 | |
| thiago_home | Jaffa: not sure. That's what needs figuring out. | 17:32 |
| * timeless_w7ip found it | 17:32 | |
| Jaffa | mikhas: Ah, you're targetting Symbian & Maemo too? | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | mikhas: I think you've missed my point. | 17:32 |
| mikhas | ahahaha, "cross-platform" :-D | 17:32 |
| mikhas | I target Harmattan, does that count? | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | mikhas: No idea, since there's no Harmattan SDK nor public information on its APIs beyond "MeeGo 1.2ish" | 17:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:33 |
| alterego | At's about as MeeGo as Maemo 6 was ever going to be imo :P | 17:34 |
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| alterego | s/Ats/Its/ | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Indeed. | 17:34 |
| alterego | There seems to be rumours of it having a lot of QML based UX | 17:35 |
| alterego | But I don't think they're true | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | But I don't just refer to fragmentation in SDKs (even though that's very bad); there was a comment here the other day that AppUp requires Categories in .desktop files, but MeeGo 1.2 in N900 DE refuses to parse them. | 17:35 |
| * Jaffa is sure the Harmattan UX and APIs will be very shiny | 17:35 | |
| timeless_w7ip | s/Its/It's/ | 17:36 |
| alterego | I hope it'll be everything the N900 is but a bit more polished | 17:36 |
| alterego | And hopefully HDMI .. | 17:36 |
| alterego | And USB OTG .. | 17:36 |
| * timeless_w7ip ponders | 17:36 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | i'm taking bets | 17:36 |
| * Jaffa wouldn't hold his breath for those | 17:36 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | is tim samoff taking WN846 @11:40am or WN1316 @12:10pm on thursday? | 17:37 |
| mikhas | hey, #maemo is over there → | 17:37 |
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| alterego | I'm not going to hold my breathe for USB OTG :P | 17:37 |
| alterego | But HDMI! | 17:37 |
| alterego | If it doesn't have HDMI, I'm not going to buy it. | 17:37 |
| alterego | That's a lie, I'll still buy it. | 17:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | have you ever *used* hdmi? | 17:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | my n8 has it | 17:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't even have a cable for it | 17:38 |
| alterego | (/me likes to support Nokia's foray in the FOSS world) | 17:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | alterego: seems kinda pointless now :) | 17:38 |
| alterego | timeless_w7ip: if I had it I'd use it. | 17:38 |
| * timeless_w7ip doesn't have a nokia hat to wear anymore | 17:38 | |
| * Jaffa would like it when travelling | 17:39 | |
| * thiago_home will buy it | 17:39 | |
| * w00t_ will buy it | 17:39 | |
| thiago_home | I need a proper Linux phone to replace my N900 | 17:39 |
| alterego | I'll continue to purchase the children of maemo devices for as long as Nokia make them. | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | But then most hotel rooms don't seem to allow switching inputs when I'm outside the UK | 17:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | thiago: good luck w/ that | 17:39 |
| * arfoll wishes he got hotel rooms with HDMI inputs | 17:39 | |
| Jaffa | I need a good device to replace my N900 which I often want to throw out of a window. However, the things which make my N900 truly great (e.g. headphoned etc) come from the community. And that might be stillborn for Harmattan | 17:40 |
| thiago_home | arfoll: I got that in Las Vegas | 17:40 |
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| alterego | I don't think the community will be stillborn | 17:40 |
| alterego | I think it'll inherit the majority of Maemo developers. | 17:40 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, kinda hotels I go i'm lucky if I get sheets on the bed ;-) | 17:40 |
| alterego | Especially those of us that have been here from the beginning. | 17:40 |
| alterego | s/here/there/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Especially those of us that have been there from the beginning. | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Hopefully | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | alterego: But we might just be developing for ourselves. | 17:41 |
| alterego | (remembers he's in #meego) | 17:41 |
| alterego | Jaffa: That is the only person I develop for wrt to Maemo/MeeGo/Unpaid ;) | 17:41 |
| alterego | It's my hobby | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | alterego: True | 17:41 |
| alterego | And arguably education | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | alterego: But I do it to be selfish to get other things from others (e.g. Columbus ;-)) | 17:42 |
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| alterego | :) | 17:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: you will be harmonized (next) :) | 17:42 |
| alterego | I think Columbus deserves a lot of my love and affection after SF. | 17:42 |
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| * Jaffa keeps meaning to really push Qt Mobility-backed Hermes through to completion, but until I've got a device in my pocket which needs it... :-/ | 17:43 | |
| RST38h | My feeling exactly | 17:44 |
| alterego | I've been contemplating a Qt Mobility contacts based contact import/export app for maemo/meego | 17:44 |
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| Jaffa | I'm assuming any device will support mass vCard import | 17:44 |
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| alterego | It's in the QtMobility API | 17:44 |
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| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: i think you misread your airline flight out of SFO :o | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | alterego: And my N900 can export its contacts DB in vCard format already | 17:44 |
| alterego | Good point | 17:44 |
| alterego | I might just integrate it into dialer ;) | 17:45 |
| alterego | Speaking of which, dialer meeting in 15 minutes. | 17:45 |
| arfoll | i'm guessing gmail syncing for contacts is out of the question for any future Nokia devices... | 17:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, nm | 17:45 |
| * timeless_w7ip finds it | 17:45 | |
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| thiago_home | arfoll: why? | 17:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | eep | 17:48 |
| * timeless_w7ip can't read | 17:48 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | ok, i'm having trouble finding one flight | 17:59 |
| * timeless_w7ip pokes mikhas to add flight info | 18:00 | |
| mikhas | grrr | 18:01 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: I didn't remember putting flight numbers on there... but I think I've got a connecting flight. DFW is the final dest. | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: i put in one of your numbers | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | if your other side has a connection, that'd explain why i couldn't figure it out | 18:04 |
| thiago_home | DFW is quite far from SFO | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | generally you shouldn't though | 18:04 |
| thiago_home | it shouldn't be your final destination | 18:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | DFW is a hub for AA | 18:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | so it shouldn't be a second leg | 18:05 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: IDK. :-p | 18:07 |
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| timeless_xchat | you could look it up :) | 18:08 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: I show a direct flight. Confirmed flight number on my itenerary. Why do you think there's an error? | 18:09 |
| timeless_xchat | one person entered an incorrect airline code (united is UA not un) | 18:09 |
| timeless_xchat | gabrbedd : not an error, just a flight i couldn't find | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_w7ip, did you get my last /msg? | 18:10 |
| timeless_xchat | it's probably full | 18:10 |
| timeless_xchat | yeah, thanks | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. | 18:10 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: Maybe. I just did a search for flights that day and found it. :-/ | 18:11 |
| timeless_xchat | oh well, just fill in the table :) | 18:13 |
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| Jaffa | Talking of Harmattan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg | 18:14 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: me? fill in the table? | 18:15 |
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| thiago_home | Jaffa: that's a fake, of course | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | thiago_home: Really? | 18:17 |
| thiago_home | there are some reasons I can't share which allow me to know that | 18:18 |
| thiago_home | but most importantly: when a real video comes out, you'll know it from somewhere more official than "pocketnowvideos" on youtube | 18:18 |
| timeless_xchat | gabrbedd : http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information | 18:18 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_xchat: What info am I lacking? | 18:19 |
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| timeless_xchat | iirc your inbound flight has no number | 18:19 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_xchat: OK. I actually put the outbound flight number by accident. :-p #Paranoid | 18:21 |
| timeless_xchat | you didn't | 18:22 |
| timeless_xchat | i put it in | 18:22 |
| thiago_home | Jaffa: this I can tell you: as of last Friday, they still hadn't decided what to call the MeeGo device. | 18:22 |
| timeless_xchat | point is you provided sufficient info for it to be discovered | 18:22 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_xchat: Are you out to get me? :-p | 18:22 |
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| timeless_xchat | not you specifically | 18:23 |
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| Jaffa | thiago_home: Indeed, but "N9" and "N950" have been used on the Internet, and the video doesn't show a name, apart from "Nseries" | 18:23 |
| timeless_xchat | i filled in a couple of others too | 18:24 |
| timeless_xchat | i'd bet against anything listing "Nseries" | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Haven't it been decided here on this channel that Harmattan is not Meego? :) | 18:25 |
| timeless_xchat | rst38h ++ | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: That certainly seems to be the steer from the technical folk on the MeeGo Project | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: s/technical/dogmatic/ | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: s/dogmatic/senior/ | 18:26 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: senior~=dogmatic | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | :) | 18:26 |
| * RST38h laughs diabolically, eats akitten | 18:26 | |
| sergiusens | how far can you diverge from what MeeGo is? Can you install WP7 and call it MeeGo? | 18:26 |
| timeless_xchat | in Wine? | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | sergiusens: MeeGo is a trademark managed by the Linux Foundation. To be "MeeGo Compliant" you have to ship basically the same packages | 18:26 |
| timeless_xchat | or VMWare? | 18:27 |
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| Jaffa | sergiusens: Nokia is talking about "MeeGo compatible" and has said it will ask the MeeGo TSG for a trademark exemption | 18:27 |
| sergiusens | Jaffa: so does Harmattan ship with the packages to be compliant? If that's the case, I have no issue | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | sergiusens: No. Harmattan is deb-based, for one. | 18:27 |
| timeless_xchat | harmattan is vaporware | 18:27 |
| thiago_home | Jaffa: until it's announced, the name and other details can change | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Vaporware that appears to be running on some hardware ready to be released | 18:28 |
| timeless_xchat | nah | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | thiago_home: Until what's announced? Harmattan *has* been announced. The Harmattan *device* has not. | 18:28 |
| thiago_home | yes, the device, with its name, UI and specs | 18:28 |
| timeless_xchat | nokia rarely releases ui specs :) | 18:29 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_xchat: done | 18:29 |
| timeless_xchat | :) | 18:29 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I think there is a difference in objectives here | 18:29 |
| * timeless_xchat needs to book one flight and cancel one flight | 18:29 | |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Your average core Meego developer does not give a shit about the Harmattan device, be it N9, N950, or Unicorn1 | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Indeed. | 18:30 |
| * alterego wants a unicorn! | 18:30 | |
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| * timeless_xchat cares about Unicorn2 | 18:30 | |
| RST38h | Jaffa: It is mainly of interest to maemo usersbase which Meego, incidentally, lacks | 18:30 |
| timeless_xchat | first generations are for dogs. second for riders :) | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Which includes a whole swathe of community application developers (which MeeGo also lacks) | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | Struggle to get there too :-( | 18:31 |
| RST38h | right | 18:31 |
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| alterego | It's a shame really, no one seemed to attract maemo'rs properly | 18:32 |
| alterego | Though DE is looking better in that regard | 18:32 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Hey, is it possible for someone like me to clone an OBS package to c.OBS ? | 18:32 |
| alterego | I'm only here because I'm a sadist :P | 18:32 |
| timeless_xchat | thiago: is there any public info on how community people get commit access for Qt5? | 18:33 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: I couldn't figure it out last night. | 18:33 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: yes | 18:33 |
| lbt | yes | 18:33 |
| thiago_home | timeless_xchat: we'll get there. | 18:33 |
| thiago_home | timeless_xchat: we're installing Gerrit | 18:33 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: don't ask how though, everytime I do it seems to work by fluke for me :) | 18:33 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: lbt: How should I have done it? | 18:34 |
| thiago_home | watch my talk on Open Governance, the one on Qt5 then come to the BoF :-) | 18:34 |
| timeless_xchat | alterego : is there a wiki page documenting how-to? :) | 18:34 |
| alterego | osc branch something | 18:34 |
| lbt | remote branch works... remote branch of a branch is fixed in a minor update that won't be loaded until post SF | 18:34 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: erm... ignore that question. | 18:34 |
| lbt | use MeeGo.com: as a base | 18:34 |
| lbt | then whatever it would be on the core OBS | 18:34 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: so I gotta do it through osc... not the web interface? | 18:34 |
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| timeless_xchat | gerrit? | 18:34 |
| lbt | no... web should be OK | 18:34 |
| lbt | but won't autocomplete ... and may even fight you | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Yeah, that's what happened. | 18:35 |
| timeless_xchat | heh | 18:35 |
| timeless_xchat | sounds like a bug worth filing | 18:35 |
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| timeless_xchat | (rfe) | 18:35 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: fight teh evil js | 18:36 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Do I have to do anything special to check out OBS projects? (I haven't tried... I expected it to be not-straight-forward to get a read-only check-out) | 18:37 |
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| lbt | osc co proj | 18:37 |
| lbt | done | 18:37 |
| lbt | it's really not that hard :) | 18:38 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: OK. I expected to have to fiddle with {api,api.pub}.meego.com urls | 18:38 |
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| lbt | Well you said "checkout"... not "setup" | 18:38 |
| lbt | once you are setup .... | 18:39 |
| lbt | and the setup is tremendously hard | 18:39 |
| lbt | osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com/ co proj | 18:39 |
| lbt | then enter username/pq | 18:39 |
| lbt | pw | 18:39 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Got it... | 18:39 |
| lbt | then done | 18:39 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: I'm set up. I have 2 pkgs in. | 18:39 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: :-) | 18:39 |
| lbt | now if you then want multiple OBSes (ie core and community) | 18:40 |
| lbt | we need to *gasp* edit a file ;) | 18:40 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: just couldn't figure out the link between OBS and c.OBS | 18:40 |
| lbt | and in there I set "aliases=cobs" for the community one | 18:40 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: AH-HA! So I *do* have to fiddle around with config files!! | 18:40 |
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| lbt | and then : osc -A cobs co.... | 18:40 |
| lbt | yup ... but that's just because they knew you'd be missing vi by now | 18:41 |
| lbt | (emacs users are in a buffer already) | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Dude. vi is a last resort. | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: OK, last question... since I don't have an OBS account (I have a c.OBS account) -- will my U/P work when checking out an OBS project? | 18:42 |
| * lbt adds some notes to tutorial too | 18:42 | |
| lbt | good question | 18:42 |
| alterego | What's U/P ? | 18:42 |
| lbt | u/pw ? | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: Username / Password | 18:42 |
| alterego | Ah, right | 18:42 |
| alterego | I've branched stuff from main obs | 18:42 |
| alterego | Don't think you need u/p for it | 18:43 |
| alterego | Just for committing. | 18:43 |
| alterego | And you commit to cobs | 18:43 |
| gabrbedd | OK. I'll fire up vi and give it a go later. | 18:43 |
| lbt | hmmm | 18:43 |
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| lbt | I don't know if you can use osc without a u/p | 18:43 |
| lbt | so you may have to use the cobs and MeeGo.com:.... | 18:44 |
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| lbt | doorbell.... bbiab | 18:44 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: When you get back... can you pass me the link to the tutorial? Searching "OBS Tutorial" on wiki yields nothing that appears useful at first glance. | 18:45 |
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| lbt | gabrbedd: it's not properly written yet .. http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/OBS | 18:53 |
| lbt | but try: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building ... which is debian based ... but if you scan read it and translate it may help | 18:53 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Thanks! Up to now my only resource has been the OpenSuSe docs. | 18:54 |
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| lbt | ouch | 18:59 |
| lbt | hehe :) | 18:59 |
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| * lbt goes to drive a mini-digger ... \o/ | 19:00 | |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: I didn't mean that in a bad way. Their docs on OBS, osc, and zypper are actually pretty darn good. | 19:11 |
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| lcuk | lbt, those notes are thye the start of your presentation? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | they | 19:14 |
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| alterego | And the crowd (tmo) are going wild over that leaked teaser N9 trailer .. | 19:16 |
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| luist | hey does appup for meego uses packagekit to install the packages? | 19:18 |
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| treitter | what's a good way to get a screen recording from MeeGo Tablet? | 19:38 |
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| alterego | gstreamer is probably the best way. | 19:40 |
| alterego | Though don't ask me for a pipeline :P | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | does anybody know what the magic command line to mount the emmc on my n900 in -de image is? | 19:48 |
| alterego | emmc? | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | the MyDocs partition from maemo | 19:49 |
| alterego | Hang on | 19:49 |
| alterego | lcuk: mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt | 19:51 |
| alterego | Looks like the renamed the device nodes under meego .. | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | actually they're renamed under Maemo, but only in some places... | 19:53 |
| alterego | ShadowJK: yes, but they've always been that way, looks like MeeGo now does the same. | 19:53 |
| alterego | Oh wait, | 19:53 |
| alterego | No, I'm in opposite land again. | 19:53 |
| alterego | I was getting rootfs and mmc mixed up. | 19:54 |
| alterego | It's the micro sd and internal mmc that are switched ^.^ | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | alterego, well after running that command there is a DCIM folder so that is good | 19:55 |
| lcuk | but the photos app will not bring up any | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | hang on | 19:56 |
| lcuk | there are example pictures in /home/meego already | 19:56 |
| alterego | Yes | 19:56 |
| lcuk | so the photos app is just being odd | 19:56 |
| lcuk | and not showing any | 19:56 |
| alterego | Possibly | 19:56 |
| alterego | What image are you runngin? | 19:56 |
| akk | I found the photo app got confused when I added new photos to the ones in home. | 19:56 |
| lcuk | yesterdays daily testing n900-de | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | ut there have been no photos for a while | 19:56 |
| lcuk | I have been pondering how to add some | 19:57 |
| lcuk | but just noticed the example ones are there | 19:57 |
| akk | I think it keeps a database of what's there, and if you add/remove files it gets all confused. I'm not sure how the database gets updated. | 19:57 |
| alterego | Still tracker afair | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | alterego, bug 17202 is closest | 20:01 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17202 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [DE] Photos aren't seen under Album view | 20:01 |
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| luist | hey does appup for meego uses packagekit to install the packages? | 20:07 |
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| sivang | re all | 20:46 |
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| gandhijee | where can i get htop for meego | 20:58 |
| gandhijee | ? | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | gtop? | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | htop* | 20:58 |
| sivang | gandhijee: find an rpm orbuild from source? | 21:00 |
| gandhijee | rpm would be great | 21:01 |
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| sivang | gandhijee: then look for it, there's a nice article by Niels how to add rpm* sources to meego | 21:02 |
| gandhijee | sivang: i missed the part where you said find. i thought you were asking if i wanted the rpm or the source | 21:02 |
| sivang | gandhijee: does not matter :) | 21:03 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee, i build it in home:arfoll:utils on public OBS, do a search | 21:13 |
| gandhijee | http://download.meego.com/live/home:/nm:/applications/MeeGo_1.1/i586/ | 21:14 |
| gandhijee | i found a RPM there | 21:14 |
| arfoll | gandhijee, package here http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/utils/meego_1.1_core/i586/ | 21:16 |
| arfoll | that package you found is a copypac from an older version of the package I have in home:arfoll:utils by someone trying to get it into official meego repo | 21:16 |
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