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| lcuk | CosmoHill, did you watch? | 01:31 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | no | 01:33 |
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| berndhs | did the Europeans win ? | 01:38 |
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| CosmoHill | nobody wins, not reallt | 01:38 |
| berndhs | somebody makes money though | 01:39 |
| lbt | thiago: any chance "BoF: MeeGo DE - *THAT* is how you do it" could swap with the one after as I'm supposed to be at "Apps.MeeGo.com, publish your Open Source Apps through MeeGo.com" too | 01:43 |
| thiago | I need to ask | 01:43 |
| thiago | this might have gone to the printer already | 01:43 |
| lbt | I thought it said 16th? | 01:44 |
| thiago | that's Monday | 01:44 |
| thiago | it might have closed EOB yesterday | 01:44 |
| thiago | we'll print on Monday what we received until Friday | 01:44 |
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| lbt | OK ... it would be nice ... Apps is the only c.obs talk | 01:45 |
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| * lbt is searching for the slide upload link too | 01:45 | |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:59 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ping | 02:05 |
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| Alan1234 | is there a separate channel for the MeeGO coding competition? | 03:51 |
| Alan1234 | http://wiki.maemo.org/MeeGo_Coding_Competition_2011 | 03:52 |
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| Alan1234 | anyone here involved in the MeeGo coding competition http://wiki.maemo.org/MeeGo_Coding_Competition_2011 | 04:00 |
| Alan1234 | ? | 04:01 |
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| shinkamui | any geniouses know what the key in gconf is to reassign the power button | 04:07 |
| shinkamui | I want it t oselep the tablet instead of shut down | 04:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | On Thursday May 26, the night after the MeeGoCon ends, Everclear frontman Art Alexis will be playing a rare small-club solo show. The club is not far from the Conference hotel. | 04:10 |
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| Alan1234 | shinkamui: does it not just sleep when you close the lid? | 04:49 |
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| Termana | morning | 05:35 |
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| Alan1234 | g'night | 05:59 |
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| lcuk | morning folks \o | 10:46 |
| lcuk | anything good on yesterdays -de image? | 10:47 |
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| Evanescence | can I install hildon-desktop on my ubuntu system ? | 10:54 |
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| lcuk | Evanescence, have you checked if it is in the repositories? | 10:59 |
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| Evanescence | lcuk: yeah, I can search it, but I am worry about whether it will destroy my Gnome | 11:00 |
| Evanescence | lcuk: Or whether it will display good on my laptop | 11:00 |
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| lcuk | Evanescence, anything is possible. | 11:01 |
| Evanescence | lcuk: ok, test it, | 11:01 |
| lcuk | Evanescence, even without installing hildon your laptop might screw up | 11:01 |
| lcuk | so backup your system, see if there are any instructions and have a go | 11:02 |
| lcuk | it is easier to just install meego though :) | 11:02 |
| lcuk | the images are all usb bootable | 11:02 |
| lcuk | and there is a hildon flavour called cordia :) | 11:02 |
| Evanescence | lcuk: thanks, i will backup and find manual or help doc | 11:03 |
| lcuk | Evanescence finding yourself a usb bootable cordiia would let you see how hildon would work without messing with your harddisk | 11:03 |
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| Evanescence | lcuk: good idea | 11:04 |
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| iekku | morning | 11:35 |
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| lcuk | morning iekku \o | 11:39 |
| iekku | mrnong lcuk \o | 11:40 |
| iekku | (oh, need some coffee :P ) | 11:40 |
| lcuk | we all need some coffee | 11:41 |
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| iekku | :D | 11:45 |
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| timeless_w7ip | hello world | 13:11 |
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| * lcuk assumes this is correct page for packaging nowadays | 19:50 | |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging_MeeGo_applications | 19:50 |
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| * lcuk thinks there are many difficult steps for packaging! | 19:55 | |
| lcuk | Venemo, where is puzzle master, since that has all this done for many platforms now? | 19:55 |
| * lcuk ponders being able to use that as a template for an "easy-packager script or somesuch | 19:56 | |
| timoph | lcuk: dunno if things have changed since 1.0 | 19:56 |
| timoph | most likely they have | 19:56 |
| lcuk | timoph, well, there isn't a page for 1.1 or 1.2 (I tried to find one) | 19:56 |
| timoph | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines | 19:57 |
| lcuk | and I can't seem to find anything in qt-creator itself | 19:57 |
| timoph | check that | 19:57 |
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| * timoph needs to go. bbl | 19:58 | |
| lcuk | thanks timoph \o cya later | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, where are your recipe pages? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | are they on a wiki? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | and would it be feasible to make a community effort to make a proper meego based recipe app under your direction? | 21:38 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: my recipes are on a blog (only a few so far) http://whatdawneats.com/ | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | until I can get the cookbook published in a month or so | 21:44 |
| lcuk | oooh awesome | 21:45 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, I'm working on final layout today | 21:45 |
| DawnFoster | hoping to send it to the printer to get a proof copy | 21:45 |
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| DawnFoster | (self-publishing) | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | that is good, DawnFoster so you are having it printed up as a proper book? | 21:46 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: yep | 21:46 |
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| Ronksu | meego cook book ap would be nice as well | 21:46 |
| lcuk | :D awesome | 21:46 |
| DawnFoster | this is the second print book I've done | 21:46 |
| DawnFoster | also did this one: http://fastwonderblog.com/ebooks/ | 21:46 |
| DawnFoster | oops | 21:46 |
| DawnFoster | http://fastwonderblog.com/ebooks/ | 21:47 |
| DawnFoster | it's even on amazon :) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | Ronksu, well there is fiferboy who has a great core database application that I bet could get involved with helping a recipe version | 21:47 |
| lcuk | \o/ DawnFoster | 21:47 |
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| DawnFoster | btw, I think a recipe app for meego would be very cool :) | 21:53 |
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| * CosmoHill gets his results back on wednesday :D | 21:56 | |
| Venemo | [18:55] <lcuk> Venemo, where is puzzle master, since that has all this done for many platforms now? ---> https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master | 21:58 |
| lcuk | Venemo, \o thx | 21:58 |
| lcuk | did you get your email> | 21:59 |
| lcuk | ? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, confirming you are human? | 21:59 |
| Venemo | lcuk, yes I did | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 21:59 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, a good simple updatable recipe app would really be useful and practical for folks | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | for this year's unisersity semester | 22:00 |
| mikhas | I dont want another recipe app, I want an app that cooks for me :-( | 22:00 |
| mikeleib | just alter the cpu frequency scaling and put pot on top of device | 22:01 |
| lcuk | mikhas, bug 7790 should help, just slide out the keyboard, put a rasher of bacon on and bootup meego | 22:01 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 cri, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ext-kimmo.jukarainen, ASSI, [META]N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 22:01 |
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| mikhas | :-) | 22:02 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, you got your answer :) | 22:03 |
| lcuk | cool Venemo, was just pondering | 22:04 |
| Venemo | lcuk, in the meantime I learned that Qt Creator can automatically create rpms for MeeGo (although I never tried that feature) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | oh, which menu options etc? | 22:04 |
| * lcuk opens qt creator | 22:04 | |
| Venemo | well, if you set the target to meego and use the INSTALLS variable, I think it defaults to RPM | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | I just opened qt-creator, selected to make a qt quick application, did some playing | 22:05 |
| lcuk | now I want to get that on meego, but it does not have anything related to meego in there | 22:06 |
| Venemo | okay, go to Tools/Options | 22:06 |
| lcuk | which qt sdk is needed specifically? | 22:06 |
| * lcuk opens tools/options | 22:06 | |
| Venemo | I just use Qt Creator 2.2 final (from the upstream version) with madde installed (from MeeGo SDK repo) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | hm, this is qt-creator 2.1 | 22:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.intomobile.com/2011/05/10/nokias-qt-sdk-11-out/ | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | I believe that was the post and instructions I followed which got me the 1.1 sdk which is the one with Qt Quick app development inside | 22:10 |
| Venemo | mhm | 22:11 |
| lcuk | and qt creator 2.2 is marked as RC on the http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/ page | 22:11 |
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| thiago | qtcreator 2.2 is more recent than any sdk | 22:12 |
| Venemo | lcuk, according to a mailing list message from achipa, the final is already released. maybe that page is not up-to-date | 22:12 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I made you screenshots: http://i55.tinypic.com/sflavl.jpg and http://i51.tinypic.com/2zio3gi.jpg | 22:13 |
| thiago | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/06/qt-creator-2-2-released/ | 22:13 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, see ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator/ -> download 2.2.0 (the one without any -beta and -rc marking) | 22:14 |
| achipa | 2.2 is out, the download page is out of date | 22:14 |
| achipa | (don't ask :) ) | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | achipa, well I won't ask, but could you file a bug about it in the morning? (or check if there is one) | 22:16 |
| alterego | What's 2.2 like? | 22:16 |
| achipa | lcuk: long story, but is in progress already | 22:16 |
| thiago | alterego: see the blog above | 22:16 |
| lcuk | ok reasonable enough | 22:16 |
| achipa | alterego: bigger, better, uncut... | 22:16 |
| alterego | :) | 22:17 |
| Venemo | alterego, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-May/028345.html | 22:17 |
| lcuk | Venemo, thanks for the screenshots, when I update to the next build I will be able to use them | 22:17 |
| alterego | I should probably grab it then, think I need it for conference anyway. | 22:17 |
| Venemo | lcuk, you can just download from the page I link :) | 22:17 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I think when you select "MeeGo" then it will generate rpms. achipa, is that correct? | 22:18 |
| lcuk | Venemo, I am in the middle of other stuff but will try to this evening | 22:18 |
| Venemo | okay :) | 22:18 |
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| achipa | Venemo: lcuk: correct, if you have the required tools | 22:18 |
| achipa | i.e. the meego sdk packages, etc | 22:18 |
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| alterego | neat | 22:19 |
| Venemo | that sounds nice | 22:19 |
| lcuk | indeed it does :) | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | achipa, requiring specific sdks per development target still seems a bit odd | 22:20 |
| lcuk | as in "code once, deploy anywhere" ;) | 22:21 |
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| achipa | lcuk: that's just a question of integration, qtcreator is not an SDK in itself | 22:21 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, lemme correct you. "code once, #ifdef everywhere" | 22:21 |
| lcuk | achipa, sure thing | 22:21 |
| lcuk | haha | 22:21 |
| lcuk | and you should know Venemo ! | 22:22 |
| lcuk | are you going for most OSes supported for your app? | 22:22 |
| Venemo | yes, when I can | 22:22 |
| lcuk | puzzle-master.zx81 | 22:22 |
| Venemo | hahah | 22:22 |
| alterego | I suppose I should test it with DE :) | 22:22 |
| Venemo | if zx81 can run Qt, then sure | 22:22 |
| achipa | lcuk: my last project had 7 targets... gone crosseyed | 22:23 |
| Venemo | lcuk, there are minor differences between each platform, some of which Qt can't take care of on its own. | 22:23 |
| lcuk | why crosseyed? | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, are they categorizable? | 22:23 |
| lcuk | ie is there specific things which always need ifdefing | 22:24 |
| lcuk | or is it just random bits | 22:24 |
| achipa | lcuk: self-inflicted, really, as the goal was to have a single package that runs on all targets and all Qt versions and adjusts features dynamically | 22:25 |
| lcuk | achipa, sounds like what Venemo has done! | 22:25 |
| Venemo | well, on Symbian QWidget-based stuff looks awful. this can be compensated by some stuff, like using softkeys and the like. also Qt's file open dialog looks _very_ ugly, so you need to call the native one. | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | a nice simple usable game which does exactly that | 22:25 |
| Venemo | I'm not sure why Qt doesn't call the native dialog in that case. | 22:25 |
| achipa | i.e. when you start it on a system with qt4.6, you get a qwidget interface, when you're on a 4.7 one, you get the declarative ui | 22:25 |
| achipa | (emphasizing this is done *dynamically*, i.e. same binaries, no recompile) | 22:26 |
| lcuk | achipa, n-tier development! | 22:26 |
| lcuk | achipa, but is that how users and app designers would do it? | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | achipa, did you get your visa sorted? | 22:26 |
| Venemo | achipa, I would be interested in how to check the availability of QtMobility in such a dynamic manner. | 22:26 |
| lcuk | ie, they have a qt4.6 app which uses qwidget, what beneift would it give rebuilding the top layer in declarative? | 22:27 |
| achipa | Venemo: well, if you want the 'dumb' version, check qtinfo's divineMobilityVersion function | 22:27 |
| Venemo | achipa, what do you mean, 'dumb'? | 22:27 |
| achipa | GAN900: yes, suprisingly | 22:27 |
| * lcuk understands the movement to declarative for apps, but rebuilding the UI just because next gen exists for instance | 22:27 | |
| achipa | Venemo: not through a reasonable API, but by hackery | 22:28 |
| Venemo | lcuk, for the most part, the answer is "because you can" | 22:28 |
| GAN900 | achipa, excellent. | 22:28 |
| lcuk | Venemo, yeah I know you can and I am enjoying the bits of qml I am tinkering with | 22:28 |
| Venemo | achipa, what is qtinfo? A search in Qt Assistant's index didn't reveal anything | 22:29 |
| achipa | lcuk: qwidgets are, for better or worse, dead on the mobile platforms, i.e. it's not a question of want, you must move on | 22:29 |
| achipa | Venemo: https://projects.forum.nokia.com/qtinfo | 22:30 |
| Venemo | achipa, is there an alternative to the Qt Graphics View framework that QML can give me? with an equally as good API? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | achipa, even with QML, don't you still need to use qwidgets for low level stuff? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | ie for uber quick c++ native rendering/calculation stuff (for instance) | 22:31 |
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| thiago | you need one widget, the top-level window | 22:31 |
| thiago | that's all | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | thiago, need is one thing | 22:31 |
| achipa | Venemo: qtgraphicsview is fairly unrelated to qwidgets, you do your stuff in whicever, but qgv receives less attention nowadays | 22:32 |
| Venemo | there are other means of getting native-looking "widgets", for example as provided by the various QML components projects | 22:32 |
| lcuk | but when you make super qml app that needs to do (for instance) mandelbrot fractal rendering | 22:32 |
| achipa | lcuk: define low level ? | 22:32 |
| lcuk | that is practically impossible in QML/script | 22:32 |
| thiago | right | 22:32 |
| Venemo | achipa, QGraphicsView is a QWidget subclass. that makes it in my book "fairly _related_" to QWidgets. | 22:32 |
| thiago | qml isn't "one-size fits all" | 22:32 |
| lcuk | so you would make a qwidget and use native c++ | 22:32 |
| berndhs | you can do all kinds of things in Qt-C++ still without using widgets, like models and data structures | 22:32 |
| lcuk | thiago, I know it is now | 22:32 |
| lcuk | not* | 22:32 |
| lcuk | I was just querying the message achipa said that qwidget was unusable, it still has a place | 22:33 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I think you can make your own component for that in C++, without a QWidget. | 22:33 |
| thiago | the problem with QWidget is actually QStyle | 22:33 |
| thiago | it will not make the look-and-feel that we want on modern devices | 22:33 |
| achipa | Venemo: and qdeclarativeview is a qgraphicsview subclass... but that's not the point | 22:33 |
| thiago | so widgets have their place, but for us in MeeGo, it's very limited | 22:34 |
| achipa | I think we're talking about two things here | 22:34 |
| lcuk | thiago, sure but style is not everything, especially for as described, a whole widget math calculation or game etc | 22:34 |
| Venemo | achipa, okay, enlighten me please | 22:34 |
| achipa | one, QWidgets as a common back-end for putting things on screen | 22:34 |
| achipa | and two, a set of UI elements | 22:34 |
| thiago | lcuk: you're more likely to use Graphics View then | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | thiago, I can happily see a whole fractal app being put together using QML, with just the main fractl rendering engine itself in qwidget | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | or graphics view etc | 22:35 |
| lcuk | I might be getting terms mixed up, but I think you know what I mean | 22:35 |
| Venemo | achipa, well, according to a presentation I recently watched, QWidgets will not be part of the default installation of Qt on mobile devices. so then, QGraphicsView is a QWidget (and the declarative view derives from that), so it seems like a bit of a contradiction to me | 22:35 |
| thiago | Venemo: for Qt 5 | 22:36 |
| Venemo | thiago, indeed | 22:36 |
| thiago | we've begun work to move the widgets to a separate lib | 22:36 |
| thiago | the top-level window will simply be a QWindow or something similar | 22:36 |
| Venemo | so, what is the future-proof approach to an app that currently uses QGV? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | Venemo, there is no such thing as future proof. | 22:37 |
| achipa | Venemo: the point is there is some aggregation of functionality between the two things I mentioned above - this is recognized as a problem, and is one of the drivers of changing the position of QWidgets (the UI elements) within Qt | 22:37 |
| thiago | Venemo: QGV | 22:37 |
| achipa | Venemo: keep using QGV | 22:37 |
| thiago | Venemo: it has its uses. And we're not removing the classes. Just moving them to a separate lib. | 22:37 |
| thiago | to make a smaller GUI core | 22:37 |
| lcuk | smaller, lighter, faster! | 22:37 |
| Venemo | so QGV will still be there and working on a default Qt installation, or my users will have to install the separate lib for it to work? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | thiago, I gather that will help link times too ! | 22:38 |
| thiago | at this point, Qt 5 is just ideas | 22:38 |
| thiago | well, the version number has changed... | 22:38 |
| thiago | but anyway, we're one year away | 22:38 |
| thiago | lcuk: if you don't load the other library, yes. If you do, it will be worse. | 22:38 |
| achipa | Venemo: define separate lib... is declarative a separate lib ? it's not going to be more separate than that | 22:39 |
| Venemo | thiago, according to this guy http://blip.tv/file/5122502 Qt 5 is a bit more than "just ideas". | 22:39 |
| Venemo | achipa, the question is simple. | 22:39 |
| Venemo | achipa, will they be able to run a QGV-based app on a default installation or not? | 22:39 |
| thiago | Venemo: the fact that we took the source code and changed #define QT_VERSION doesn't mean much | 22:39 |
| thiago | we have ideas for the future | 22:40 |
| Venemo | okay, sounds fair enough to me | 22:40 |
| thiago | those ideas are taking shape | 22:40 |
| Venemo | :) | 22:40 |
| thiago | btw, my blog still on meego.com homepage has more info | 22:40 |
| Venemo | thiago, okay, I'm checking it out | 22:40 |
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| Venemo | anyway, for this particular app, I doubt that I will ever replace QWidgets. but I'm looking for new ways for my upcoming apps :) and I'm looking for a future-proof way. | 22:42 |
| lcuk | thiago, link! | 22:45 |
| lcuk | and yeah I know, I recall your other blogs about it all | 22:45 |
| thiago | lcuk: http://meego.com :-) | 22:45 |
| * lcuk most informed | 22:45 | |
| thiago | it's on the homepage | 22:45 |
| Venemo | lcuk, http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/13/qt-5-at-the-meego-conference/ | 22:46 |
| thiago | which contains links to the other blogs | 22:46 |
| lcuk | thiago, what is the blog post called? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | ahh | 22:46 |
| Venemo | lcuk, see my link | 22:46 |
| * lcuk spotted, thanks Venemo | 22:46 | |
| Venemo | I suppose that is what thiago is referring to | 22:46 |
| lcuk | yeah I was too, but there is no reference to author on the meego.com homepage for that section of posts, the blogs section is further up and does not include one ;) | 22:47 |
| thiago | Venemo: yup | 22:47 |
| thiago | sorry, planet meego at the bottom of the homepage | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | developers: picky gits. | 22:50 |
| Venemo | I hope that these session will be watchable online | 22:50 |
| Venemo | I hope that these sessions will be watchable online | 22:50 |
| lcuk | I have a huge email backlog that I need to get through, bbl | 22:51 |
| thiago | the ones on the main room (including Lars's talk) will be | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | ctrl + a and del | 22:51 |
| thiago | the other ones will be filmed | 22:51 |
| kamui | hey, is there a way to enable the soft keybaord on meego netbook? | 22:51 |
| kamui | or enable the tabs bar in tablet ediiton | 22:52 |
| Venemo | kamui, there is no tabs bar in the tablet ux (as it is driven by a different concept) | 22:53 |
| kamui | venemo: understood, however, I would like tabs, so I was really asking if there's a way to get netbook edition working with the tablet soft keyboard (best soft keyboard I've seen in linux todate) or get that bar in tablet edition | 22:55 |
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| Venemo | kamui, I understand, but I don't know how to do either of those, sorry :) | 22:55 |
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| kamui | its all golden, Ill struggle with tablet edition until I figure otu how to get it to work for me | 22:56 |
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| nasa | Hi, just getting some thoughts... Using the IVI image (although this is probably true with other images) flash drives inserted after the system is up aren't mounted. And drives in external enclosure aren't ever mounted. Isn't udiskie suppose to handle all that? | 23:02 |
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| thiago | only if told to | 23:07 |
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| * w00t_ waves from helsinki | 23:10 | |
| Myrtti | WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOHOO | 23:11 |
| Myrtti | *ahem* | 23:11 |
| w00t_ | i must say, i didn't expect that degree of excitement | 23:12 |
| w00t_ | :P | 23:12 |
| Myrtti | w00t_: ;-) | 23:12 |
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| alterego | Hah | 23:13 |
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| Myrtti | aw my bloodpressure | 23:13 |
| Myrtti | *ahem* | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | it's changed a lot since I was here last | 23:14 |
| w00t_ | no 0.5m of snow everywhere :-P | 23:14 |
| Myrtti | who gives a shit about snow, Finland is winning in ice hockey world championship final against Sweden :-D | 23:15 |
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| w00t_ | * > sweden | 23:15 |
| Myrtti | a rare occasion to see Finns go mad might be tonight, if things go right | 23:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | hmm, this might explain some of the shouting I heard walking back to the hotel | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | :P | 23:16 |
| alterego | Can't believe it's less than a week until SF | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | alterego: me neither | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | really not looking forward to next weekend | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | i get to spend a lot of it on planes | 23:16 |
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| * w00t_ will have to buy a book or three | 23:17 | |
| alterego | I was thinking the same thing, I'm dreading the 10 journey | 23:17 |
| alterego | 10 hour .. closer to 11 actually | 23:18 |
| w00t_ | 10? where are you going from | 23:18 |
| alterego | UK | 23:18 |
| w00t_ | I have 15 hours | 23:18 |
| w00t_ | (from manchester) | 23:18 |
| alterego | Eek, you flying from manchester to london? | 23:19 |
| w00t_ | amsterdam | 23:19 |
| w00t_ | no direct flights | 23:19 |
| Myrtti | atleast I have pit stops between flights in Cambs | 23:19 |
| w00t_ | so it's either take a few hours of train(/hell) to london, or fly somewhere else | 23:19 |
| alterego | Isn't their a train straight to heathrow? | 23:20 |
| w00t_ | gatwick is less stress than heathrow | 23:21 |
| w00t_ | by a long shot | 23:21 |
| alterego | LHR is the only airport I've not been to in london/south area | 23:22 |
| alterego | I usually fly from gatwick though, in the past. | 23:22 |
| w00t_ | count your blessings :-) | 23:22 |
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| mikeleib | w00t_: flies from AMS ? | 23:22 |
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| w00t_ | I've been through there 3-4 times, and really not liked it at all | 23:22 |
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| w00t_ | mikeleib: indirectly, MAN -> AMS -> SFO | 23:22 |
| alterego | Well, that makes me feel better :S | 23:22 |
| mikeleib | woof | 23:22 |
| w00t_ | alterego: the biggest problem is that it's *huge* | 23:22 |
| alterego | What day you flying out? | 23:23 |
| w00t_ | saturday | 23:23 |
| w00t_ | I arrive 11:30 or so | 23:23 |
| alterego | Ah, same here. | 23:23 |
| * mikeleib checks shuttle flight | 23:23 | |
| alterego | in the evening? | 23:23 |
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| w00t_ | alterego: AM | 23:24 |
| w00t_ | I leave manchester at 6am | 23:24 |
| * mikeleib hopes to arrive in CA at 8am on Mon | 23:24 | |
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| alterego | Cool, I arrive about 15:30 | 23:25 |
| alterego | think a few people are meeting for drinks in the hyatt bar in the evening. | 23:25 |
| w00t_ | I have no idea what I'll be doing | 23:25 |
| w00t_ | I'm meeting special around the same time I arrive | 23:25 |
| w00t_ | we then have some various touring around to do | 23:25 |
| w00t_ | I guess we'll probably scout out the hyatt at some point | 23:26 |
| alterego | I might spend a few hours wondering, but I've signed up for the app up thing on sunday | 23:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | w00t: when are you flying? -- i'm going through AMS too | 23:26 |
| alterego | wandering .. | 23:26 |
| * CosmoHill went on a train for the first time in 10 years today | 23:26 | |
| CosmoHill | *this week | 23:26 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: that's quite an achievement :P | 23:26 |
| alterego | I get trains at leasdt 3 times a week | 23:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I sat opposite my mate with a stupid grin on my face | 23:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:27 |
| w00t_ | timeless_w7ip: departing AMS 9:50am saturday | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | as for planes, I've never been on one | 23:28 |
| alterego | Heh, I've been on plenty of flights, never outside of Europe though | 23:28 |
| alterego | Unless you count iceland as outside | 23:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh | 23:29 |
| * timeless_w7ip is flying on friday | 23:29 | |
| * w00t_ is leaving helsinki on friday, then leaving manchester on saturday | 23:29 | |
| timeless_w7ip | yuck :) | 23:30 |
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