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| lcuk | hi CosmoHill | 00:06 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: alright, got to drive my friends car a little and drew at football | 00:29 |
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| GAN900 | You have a car for friends? | 00:43 |
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| CosmoHill | -.- | 00:54 |
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| sfrique | hello all | 05:47 |
| sfrique | i was looking fo rthe best way of tryinf meego out | 05:47 |
| sfrique | i have an n900 | 05:47 |
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| sfrique | anyone ?? | 05:48 |
| gabrbedd | sfrique: Most of the N900 dudes are in europe, and in bed. | 05:49 |
| gabrbedd | sfrique: I usually install MeeGo on atom-based netbooks/tablets... and that's fun. | 05:49 |
| sfrique | i am reading wiki now | 05:50 |
| sfrique | and found the article | 05:50 |
| sfrique | i was looking for | 05:50 |
| sfrique | thanks! | 05:50 |
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| shinkamui | well, finally did it | 07:44 |
| shinkamui | got my tablet booting quintuple booting | 07:44 |
| shinkamui | had to scrap extlinux and just reconfigure grub under slackware | 07:45 |
| shinkamui | I really like the meego tablet interface, its just lacking a unifying bar | 07:45 |
| shinkamui | my "home" button on the tablet only partially works | 07:45 |
| shinkamui | and why are a few screens in portrait, when everything else is landscape (eg the applications list) | 07:45 |
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| gabrbedd | shinkamui: what do you mean by "my 'home' button... only partially works" ? | 07:50 |
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| shinkamui | hey gabrbedd man you're always around and helpful :) | 07:52 |
| shinkamui | so I have 3 buttons | 07:52 |
| shinkamui | a power button, a home button, and a bakc button (which actually turns off wifi in an unpatched kernel) | 07:52 |
| gabrbedd | :-) Not for log... about to hit the hay. | 07:52 |
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| shinkamui | the home button sometimes takes me back to the layers page, and then another hit shows apps | 07:52 |
| shinkamui | sometimes | 07:53 |
| shinkamui | in some apps, it doesn't do anything unless I hold it for a while, which who knows what key thats simulating | 07:53 |
| shinkamui | anyway, its not a huge deal, I just miss the netbook interface on my tablet | 07:53 |
| shinkamui | but no reason to switch if I wont be able to use netbook without a keyboard | 07:53 |
| gabrbedd | shinkamui: sounds a little like bug # 17002 | 07:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17002 maj, Medium, ---, rusty.lynch, RESO FIXED, meego-ux-daemon can't manage apps that don't set _NET_WM_PID | 07:53 |
| shinkamui | thats not a huge deal | 07:54 |
| shinkamui | I think im just not used to the UI yet | 07:54 |
| shinkamui | like, how do I switch between apps? | 07:54 |
| shinkamui | apparently I have to go "home" first | 07:54 |
| gabrbedd | shinkamui: Yeah, you gotta hit your "home" button 2x to get to the app switcher. | 07:55 |
| shinkamui | I think even a hidden slide down dock would be a HUGE iomprovement | 07:55 |
| shinkamui | and is there a way to get the app list to show up landscape? | 07:55 |
| shinkamui | I really hate having to rotate my tablet or look at the apps sideways | 07:55 |
| gabrbedd | shinkamui: I've seen it in landscape... not sure if it's a gconf setting or not. | 07:55 |
| gabrbedd | shinkamui: However, the layout doesn't always look right in landscape. | 07:56 |
| shinkamui | damn | 07:56 |
| shinkamui | thats really a bummer | 07:56 |
| shinkamui | I'd say meego would probably get like 30/40% of the total usetime on my tablet if I wasn't soo aggravated by the launcher | 07:57 |
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| shinkamui | no worries | 07:57 |
| shinkamui | anyway hit the sack, thanks for the help today man | 07:57 |
| gabrbedd | I'm not gone *just* yet. | 07:57 |
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| shinkamui | I finally dominated the multiboot by going back to grub | 07:57 |
| shinkamui | which I know | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | I spent like 2 hours trying to get extlinux working | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | couldn't find very good documentation | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | from what I could see, it was basically saying you needed a shared /boot | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | and I don't like that | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | or use chain loading | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | which I also dont like | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | chain loading bootloaders feels so tacky | 07:58 |
| gabrbedd | Actually... if you don't chainload then you have to pool all your installs into a single /boot -- and I never like that. | 07:59 |
| gabrbedd | So I have one be the primary... and chainload the rest. | 08:00 |
| shinkamui | yea, see, thats what I figured | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | screw that | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | so I just booted back into slackware, then reconfigured grub and overwrote extlinux | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | one bootloader | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | and grub is powerful enough to load kernels on different root filesystems | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | AND chainload | 08:03 |
| shinkamui | I liked the way extlinux sets its configuration, reminded me of lilo | 08:03 |
| shinkamui | but nastaligia isn't enough to override functionality | 08:04 |
| gabrbedd | nah... the deal is for me -- trying to get 3 OS's to cooperate on the issue of "who owns the grub config" | 08:04 |
| * gabrbedd is playing with some "landscape" and "portrait" keys with meego-ux-daemon | 08:05 | |
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| shinkamui | gabrbedd, have any idea how to get meego to sleep without using the terminal? | 08:08 |
| shinkamui | doesn't seem to be a way in the ui | 08:08 |
| shinkamui | pwoer button shuts her down with a tap | 08:08 |
| gabrbedd | No, I don't. | 08:09 |
| shinkamui | so right now, meego tablet is designed to boot and poweroff only? | 08:09 |
| shinkamui | wierdsauce | 08:09 |
| gabrbedd | shinkamui: gconftool-2 -s -t integer /meego/ux/PreferredPortraitOrientation 1 | 08:10 |
| gabrbedd | That sets the apps in portrait. | 08:10 |
| gabrbedd | The 1 appears to be "North is the top" or something (0 is west, 2 is east, etc.) | 08:10 |
| gabrbedd | Oh yeah, gotta `pkill uxlaunch` after you do it. | 08:12 |
| gabrbedd | or reboot. | 08:12 |
| shinkamui | perfect gabrbedd | 08:15 |
| shinkamui | works nicely now | 08:15 |
| shinkamui | thinks look "right" | 08:15 |
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| gabrbedd | shinkamui: To change the size of icons and stuff... | 08:18 |
| gabrbedd | edit /usr/share/meego-ux-appgrid/AppIcon.qml | 08:18 |
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| shinkamui | gabrbedd, might be a silly question | 08:19 |
| shinkamui | but where do I get more meego software in tablet edition? | 08:19 |
| shinkamui | do I just use zypper? | 08:19 |
| gabrbedd | yep... zypper | 08:19 |
| shinkamui | which is fine when I have a keyboard | 08:19 |
| shinkamui | but not too useful to use terminal as I can't activate the soft keyboard | 08:19 |
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| gabrbedd | yep. | 08:20 |
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| gabrbedd | shinkamui: good night! | 08:31 |
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| shinkamui | ignight buddy! | 08:37 |
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| iekku | morning | 08:54 |
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| scottt | hi. got meego running. how do i install appup store or, where are programs? | 09:24 |
| scottt | i also hear i can installma version of dalvik. how can i do this. thanks | 09:24 |
| scottt | is appup not for meego netbook? | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | hmmm | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | I think as far as intel is concerned, netbook is dead | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | but YMMV | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | also intel seems to target 1.2 so if you installed netbook 1.1. that might not work | 09:28 |
| sandst1 | scottt: sth is here, those are apps mirrored from the the community obs http://apps-beta.meego.com/applications/ | 09:28 |
| scottt | ok, thats a shame. nice system. i love the ui | 09:28 |
| scottt | is there nightlies or something similar. or is the latest the netbook image on the website | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | weekly builds and daily builds are available | 09:30 |
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| scottt | awesome, found them | 09:32 |
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| Viltapi | any recommendations for a nicely working tablet image for the exopc? | 11:29 |
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| lcuk | Viltapi, I believe the pinetrail images are right | 12:09 |
| dm8tbr | Viltapi: check the wiki, I think I left a hint there | 12:09 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | bah! bug 14483 stops me from using wifi | 12:21 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 maj, Medium, ---, makoto.sugano, ASSI, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved | 12:21 |
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| Viltapi | dm8tbr: yeah, i took that one (meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.2.20110514.2.img) but it seems to hang on install | 13:54 |
| Viltapi | "error: package moblin-live is not installed" same for installer and pykickstart | 13:54 |
| guyzmo | hi | 13:55 |
| Viltapi | hello | 13:55 |
| guyzmo | has anyone clues to make applications like chromium multitouch display aware in meego netbook ux ? | 13:56 |
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| * lbt and X-Fade have to do an OBS tutorial for next week - we could do with some help getting a few well-packaged demo apps for people to hack on | 14:09 | |
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| dm8tbr | Viltapi: hrrrm :( | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | lbt, where are the packaging instructions then? | 14:41 |
| lbt | lcuk: scattered over the wiki | 14:42 |
| lbt | we kinda need to pull them together too | 14:42 |
| lbt | but I think Niels is swamped making Apps work | 14:42 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:42 |
| lcuk | andre was asking about wiki people | 14:42 |
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| Viltapi | dm8tbr: it does seem to work after i did a hardboot, but i was just wondering is something important busted | 14:59 |
| Viltapi | for now, that version does seem to work quite well, definitely a lot better than the one that came with the device | 14:59 |
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| Viltapi | though this http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ does not work with the browser, probably because it has a really weird user agent string | 15:00 |
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| dm8tbr | should be chrome or chromium though, weird | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | maybe fake the UA string | 15:09 |
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| guyzmo | dammit... why zypper has almost no applications or libraries ? | 15:21 |
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| guyzmo | two days I have meego, and I spent half the time trying to find the applications I want, or building them... | 15:23 |
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| smoku | guyzmo, MeeGo is not standard gazilion-packages distro. MeeGo provides only a core framework for vendors to build on. | 15:25 |
| smoku | guyzmo, you need to wait for the meego community to fill up meego-extras | 15:26 |
| guyzmo | smoku - well, that's a good question, meego is a core framework or a distro ? | 15:27 |
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| smoku | it is a distribution. but intended for vendors, not for the end-user | 15:27 |
| guyzmo | I attended a meego/appup showcase last thursday, and got nothing really interesting out of it... | 15:28 |
| smoku | btw, you can also use search facility of community OBS - there is a lot of stuff already packaged there | 15:28 |
| guyzmo | smoku - where is that ? | 15:28 |
| smoku | https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 15:28 |
| guyzmo | thanks | 15:29 |
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| guyzmo | smoku - and why didn't the meego people focus on the framework, and let the 'vendors' work out their distributions ? | 15:31 |
| guyzmo | I mean, there is no reason I couldn't have meego on debian | 15:31 |
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| guyzmo | meego-as-a-framework-with-the-ux | 15:31 |
| smoku | because meego is not a framework | 15:31 |
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| smoku | this is a nonsense like "have fedora on debian" | 15:32 |
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| guyzmo | smoku - but first things I've learned about meego is that it is a framework that is an abstraction of many standard libraries that offers a unified API for differents user experiences | 15:38 |
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| guyzmo | and I see no reasons that stuff has to be tied with a distribution... | 15:41 |
| guyzmo | it's like the gnome or kde people telling that their UI cannot be bind to something else than their own distributions | 15:42 |
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| toniolo | http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/05/12/meego-powered-nokia-n9-to-be-called-nokia-n950/ | 15:58 |
| toniolo | :) | 15:58 |
| toniolo | it seems we are going to see a meego smartphone this summer | 15:59 |
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| alterego | toniolo: Not exactly MeeGo .. | 16:35 |
| dm8tbr | more like maemo6 with an compat layer :) | 16:37 |
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| dm8tbr | let's hope there will be a DE for it :D | 16:37 |
| smoku | guyzmo, meego provides a lot of libraries and frameworks. every UX is based on different toolkit. ;-) | 16:39 |
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| smoku | guyzmo, and all these are open source. nothing stops you from porting these frameworks, libraries and toolkit for other distributions and/or operating systems | 16:39 |
| smoku | sd | 16:40 |
| Linhoo | Can install android app in meego ? | 16:40 |
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| toniolo | there is alien dalvik for that, but it's not open source | 16:41 |
| Linhoo | Where can i download it ? | 16:41 |
| Linhoo | Can i try it ? | 16:42 |
| smoku | Linhoo, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alien+dalvik | 16:42 |
| Linhoo | Thnx :) | 16:43 |
| Linhoo | Looool | 16:44 |
| Linhoo | Nice stuff let me google that | 16:45 |
| Linhoo | :d | 16:45 |
| Linhoo | Nokia doesn't support meego anymore ? | 16:46 |
| berndhs | yes they do | 16:47 |
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| Linhoo | I like meego . Maemo . Cool os thnx god for linux ! | 16:48 |
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| Linhoo | I candt find any alien dalvik download link but thnx for ur helps | 16:51 |
| Linhoo | Have nice day babye all | 16:51 |
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| Marneus | Hello everyone ! | 17:13 |
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| Marneus | Is anyone willing to help me a little bit ? I'm having trouble modifying my repositories on MeeGo 1.1... | 17:22 |
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| Marneus | It seems that /etc/zypp/repos.d/ is only containing adobe.repo and oss.repo | 17:28 |
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| berndhs | Marneus: find the appropriate foo.repo file, and do "sudo zypper ar foo.repo" | 17:36 |
| Marneus | Am I supposed to find the repo files on the MeeGo repos site ? and if it is, which version of the repos should I take ? | 17:38 |
| berndhs | i dont know which repo you want | 17:38 |
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| Marneus | well, I found a tutorial explaining how to install the on-screen virtual keayboard. i have the Lenovo S10-3t with the netbook version of meeGo preinstalled but I dont have anything like the netbook.repo nor the handset.repo in my repos.d folder | 17:44 |
| Marneus | I'm really sorry, I never used RPM based distributions before so I dont really know how to manages these repositories | 17:47 |
| berndhs | i havent read that tutorial, don't know what it says | 17:48 |
| berndhs | there isn't much to managing the repos | 17:48 |
| Marneus | there it is then http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/ (sorry fot not linking it here earlier :/ ) | 17:49 |
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| GAN900 | Impossible | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | The screen is too useless. :P | 17:54 |
| alterego | What's wrong with it? | 17:54 |
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| GAN900 | Viewing angle is terrible. | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | Really cheap TN panel. | 17:54 |
| alterego | Is that all? | 17:54 |
| alterego | :P | 17:55 |
| alterego | I never really cared about viewing angles much | 17:55 |
| alterego | Well, except on TV | 17:55 |
| alterego | GAN900: gonna be in SF? :) | 17:55 |
| alterego | First conf, think I'm going to end up calling everyone by their IRC nick names .. | 17:56 |
| alterego | I don't think anyone knows what I look like, so I might just pretend I'm someone else. | 17:56 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, yes. | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | alterego, problem is, it's particularly pronounced in portrait. | 18:02 |
| alterego | Oh, lame. | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | So using it as a proper slate is rather out of the question. | 18:02 |
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| alterego | GAN900: this is cool: http://www.forevergeek.com/2011/02/introducing-the-paper-like-e-ink-noteslate/ | 18:04 |
| griffonn | hi everybody, i was wondering if anyone tried to get working Alcatel X220 3g modem | 18:04 |
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| siddvicious | can any one tell me how can i install meego sdk on linux ? | 18:26 |
| siddvicious | 32 bit | 18:26 |
| cos^ | read the installation instructions and do as they say? | 18:28 |
| Marneus | not really hard, just add the packages repos and install them | 18:29 |
| Marneus | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 18:29 |
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| nasa | Hi, Does anyone know how to turn DPMS off? It doesn't look like xset is installed by default, so I would like to address this under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with a conf file -- any ideas? | 19:37 |
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| sergiusens | nasa: netbook image? Have you looked at the settings ui, it has a slider to disable screen blanking | 19:43 |
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| sergiusens | or try doing pkcon search name xset | 19:44 |
| sergiusens | you'll get this package back: xorg-x11-utils-xset | 19:44 |
| nasa | ok, will look at both of those. | 19:45 |
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| sobczyk | does meego require opengl to run? are there any minimum hardware specs? | 20:07 |
| dm8tbr | depends on which UX you want to run | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | sobczyk: on the FAW | 20:09 |
| CosmoHill | FAQ* | 20:09 |
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| sobczyk | nothing specific there except it requires arm7el (cortex?) | 20:21 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm more familar with the netbook requiresments | 20:21 |
| dm8tbr | sobczyk: so which architecture? ARM? | 20:22 |
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| sobczyk | yes ARM | 20:23 |
| dm8tbr | the ARM side of 1.2 will be optimized for armv7 with hardfloat and requires EGL/GLES/SGX/whatever | 20:23 |
| sobczyk | I was interested what is the absolute minimum it will run on | 20:24 |
| dm8tbr | a N900 | 20:24 |
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| sobczyk | so the UX require GL? | 20:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps|holiday is building one for n8x0 | 20:25 |
| dm8tbr | sobczyk: not GL, but EGL or GLES | 20:25 |
| nasa | sergiusens: forgot to mention, I'm using the IVI which doesn't seem to have those settings. However, installing and then adding 'xset -dpms' to my .bashrc file seems to do the trick. | 20:25 |
| sobczyk | because I could build an image myself though is some userspace app limits me to having a EGL theres no other way | 20:25 |
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| nasa | now to the next issue... I have a SSD in an external usb enclosure. It is formated btfrs and I can manually mount it. I can also add a line into fstab and do a "mount -a" and it will be mounted. | 20:33 |
| nasa | However, at bootup the drive isn't mounted by fstab, udev (I tried a rule) or udiskie (which is installed by default). Anyone have an idea why this is? | 20:34 |
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| CosmoHill | tried unplugging it and plugging it back in | 20:43 |
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| gabrbedd | nasa: It should be mounted by /etc/rc.sysinit around line 214 (in my current version) | 20:44 |
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| gabrbedd | nasa: Maybe you can put something in there to help trace out what's happening. | 20:44 |
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| gabrbedd | nasa: Also, maybe explicitly mark the mount point as `auto` in fstab | 20:45 |
| nasa | gabrbedd: all good suggestion -- will do | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | There is nothing preventing ideapad-netbook to n900-de over usb? | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | hi Venemo \o | 21:16 |
| Venemo | hey lcuk o/ | 21:19 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:19 |
| Venemo | how're you doing? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | I have been learning qt quick stuff | 21:19 |
| Venemo | Qt Quick is interesting | 21:19 |
| lcuk | it probably needs more help documentation wise on the qml side | 21:20 |
| Venemo | as for me, I have had a nice walk on the Margaret island | 21:21 |
| lcuk | nice | 21:21 |
| Venemo | the waterworks are awesome there | 21:21 |
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| ace | ok, is there a place to dl meego 1.4? | 21:25 |
| ace | 12. | 21:25 |
| ace | 1.2 | 21:25 |
| Venemo | ace, yes, there is. | 21:25 |
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| ace | there s something i don't understand, meego sdk for windows | 21:26 |
| lcuk | ace, there are daily builds | 21:26 |
| ace | meego is not for windows | 21:26 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Releases/Daily | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | ace, "sdk" = software development kit. you can develop MeeGo software even if you're running windows | 21:27 |
| ace | oh ok | 21:27 |
| ace | why the sdk is in intel website? | 21:27 |
| Venemo | there is also an sdk for Linux | 21:28 |
| Venemo | ace, there is a site http://wiki.meego.com - feel free to go there and use the search feature | 21:28 |
| ace | okok | 21:29 |
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| meegostuff | hi! Anybody can do work unetbootin over meego? I can run it, but the usb stick doesn't appear on the list | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | I hope everyone is watching eurovision tonight! | 22:43 |
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| berndhs | probably a few billon people are not :) | 22:44 |
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| * lcuk hopes to catch it this evening | 22:44 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: what's a eurovision? | 22:45 |
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| Bostik | an annual sing-song event where countries stack votes for their neighbours | 22:47 |
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| berndhs | nice glitzi show | 22:48 |
| gabrbedd | ah! interesting :-) | 22:49 |
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| berndhs | sort of like disney version of FIFA, except more commercial and not as honest | 22:50 |
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| CosmoHill | you taking about the eurovision song contest, the thing that lacks contest, song or vision | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | ...but generates lots of euros?? | 22:59 |
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| RST38h | Has it at least got the euros? | 22:59 |
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| CosmoHill | it's European | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | I wonder if any country actually likes the idiots representing them | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | UK have blue, a boy band | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | CosmoHill: http://eurovisionmania.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/eurovisionvoting.jpg | 23:10 |
| RST38h | (in a nutshell) | 23:10 |
| CosmoHill | I'll listen to the euro vision song contest when it's not mimed shit | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | Screw the eurovision. I can't find a decent DrWho torrent. | 23:14 |
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| CosmoHill | hey sofar | 23:48 |
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