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| guyzmo | hey | 00:19 |
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| guyzmo | I don't remember the name of meego's yum/apt-like system | 00:19 |
| guyzmo | and command | 00:19 |
| krh | zypper | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | zypper | 00:20 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, beyond a screenshot, what is the performance of that? | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | damn, I missed my enter key | 00:20 |
| guyzmo | (had my meego netbook at a meego conference today, sorry for the stupid question) | 00:20 |
| guyzmo | :) | 00:20 |
| guyzmo | thanks krh and CosmoHill | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | you're welcome | 00:20 |
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| guyzmo | there is no package for a mpd client in meego ?! | 00:22 |
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| mikeleib | how is zigbee on cbuild.meego.com ?? | 00:24 |
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| lbt | mikeleib: ? | 00:27 |
| mikeleib | I just ran across this awesome home project and wished for a 1.2 based target | 00:28 |
| mikeleib | is lbt == zigbee ?? | 00:28 |
| lbt | no! | 00:29 |
| lbt | I'm ambivalent | 00:29 |
| lbt | on the one hand there is a load of useful code | 00:29 |
| lbt | OTOH it's a totally unmaintained, untested, unsupportable mess :) | 00:30 |
| mikeleib | well.. yes | 00:30 |
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| lbt | zigbee is a porter.... | 00:30 |
| mikeleib | I did see that, but I try to be an optimist | 00:30 |
| mikeleib | 'porter' ?? | 00:30 |
| mikeleib | as in somebody who ports things to meego? | 00:30 |
| lbt | yes | 00:31 |
| lbt | vs someone who maintains it | 00:31 |
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| mikeleib | ahaha.. | 00:31 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html <-- my opinioin | 00:31 |
| lbt | 2/3 the way down: Porting vs Maintaining : A MeeGo partner | 00:31 |
| mikeleib | yup | 00:32 |
| mikeleib | finding people to maintain packages is hard | 00:32 |
| lbt | saying that on the forums won't make me popular | 00:32 |
| mikeleib | meego doesn't work hard enough on finding them | 00:32 |
| lbt | never mind the quality ,,,, feel the width | 00:32 |
| lbt | *nod* | 00:32 |
| lbt | Once we have a slightly richer App space | 00:33 |
| lbt | the need for Surrounds will grow I hope | 00:33 |
| lbt | and devices will help | 00:33 |
| lbt | and a none 1.1 baseline :) | 00:33 |
| lbt | meanwhile I hope the guy is hurting.... | 00:33 |
| lbt | then he can learn and come and help in Surrounds | 00:33 |
| lbt | he's got the passion obviously | 00:34 |
| mikeleib | yup | 00:34 |
| lbt | and our non-opensource forums promised we were using proprietary code because we could implement forum:email gateways .... I'm still waiting for that | 00:36 |
| mikeleib | parse error | 00:37 |
| lbt | forums.meego.com runs on non open-source code | 00:37 |
| lbt | I hate forums :) | 00:37 |
| lbt | and they promised a forum/email gateway | 00:37 |
| lbt | it's been written for over a year | 00:38 |
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| lbt | AIUI | 00:38 |
| jani | promised by who ? | 00:38 |
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| lbt | CO basically - when they selected the forums | 00:38 |
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| lbt | too tired to go hunting for it | 00:39 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: I was thinking about your wiki idea... and it occurred to me that some kind of window-manager test app/suite might be a good idea. | 00:57 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: what wiki idea? Link? | 00:58 |
| gabrbedd | There seems to me more and more WM's being written these days... and maybe even more when weyland hits the fan. | 00:58 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: he suggested that I collect my window manager issues on a wiki page. | 00:58 |
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| berndhs | gabrbedd: to what extent do you care that the window manager is meego compliant, for your device ? | 01:01 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: I don't understand the question. I'm not writing a WM. I'm having trouble with bugs in meego's WM (mcompositor) | 01:03 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: I.e. meego's wm is not X11-compliant. :-) | 01:03 |
| berndhs | yes I know, I'm asking about using alternative WMs | 01:03 |
| berndhs | does it make any difference if the result is not meego compliant | 01:04 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: I can add pretty much any WM I want and be meego compliant. (I'm sure there's an exception somewhere...) | 01:05 |
| berndhs | hmm | 01:06 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Did I confuse you? | 01:06 |
| berndhs | no i see what you are saying, WM is not part of compliance | 01:07 |
| gabrbedd | right | 01:07 |
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| jani | just fyi, if there issues with mcompositor, im interested to hear about those. | 01:08 |
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| jani | really interested. not just saying, but i might have some influence to get things fixed depending on the issue. | 01:10 |
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| gabrbedd | jani: bug 17446, bug 17170 | 01:10 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17446 maj, High, ---, jketreno, NEW, mcompositor locks video when Xlib app uses modal dialogs | 01:10 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17170 maj, Medium, ---, jketreno, NEW, mcompositor window restacking renders Xlib-style menus useless | 01:10 |
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| gabrbedd | FWIW, I've also have related issues where meego-ux-daemon gets the blame. | 01:11 |
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| jani | thanks | 01:19 |
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| jani | i'll have a looksy, writing those down and looking at them tomorrow. | 01:22 |
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| gabrbedd | jani: thank you :-) | 01:23 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: sure. What time do you land? | 02:43 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, 15:50 according to the wiki. | 02:54 |
| GAN900 | Supposedly you two are on the same flight | 02:54 |
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| * npm ironically, has better luck browsing http://www.ro.me/ on firefox4 on linux (meego) than chrome | 03:48 | |
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| npm | (in google chrome/chromium, it tells you to download google chrome) | 03:50 |
| npm | bleh, and then it crashes the browser | 03:52 |
| berndhs | is there some reason that a person would want to look at that site ? | 03:54 |
| npm | when will meego browsers support webgl ? | 03:54 |
| npm | because it's awesome state of the art webgl | 03:55 |
| berndhs | i mean the content | 03:55 |
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| berndhs | i cant look at in with FF4 on Fedora 15 either, says I should download gnome | 03:58 |
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| npm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReH7zzj5GPc is what it's supposed to be | 04:02 |
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| npm | so the question is whether the linux community is going to allow itself to be left behind.... | 04:05 |
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| berndhs | well, personally I don't see the point of having to buy better hardware to support someone elses idea of art | 04:06 |
| berndhs | but that's just me | 04:07 |
| npm | well, you shouldn't need to buy better hardware. it's supported on the pc and mac. just not linux | 04:07 |
| berndhs | people in the comments complain that their graphics cards aren't up to it | 04:09 |
| npm | firefox4 supports webgl see "about:config" and search for "mesa" | 04:09 |
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| npm | http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=260569 --> apparently requires nvidia hardware so you're right | 04:11 |
| berndhs | now it shows some clouds and says my graphics card doesnt support it | 04:11 |
| berndhs | probably true, it doesnt even have a 4 digit number :) | 04:12 |
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| akk | Linux firefox only supports webgl on a few nvidia cards (or so people have been saying). | 04:13 |
| akk | On my Intel graphics boxes I get a "not supported" error when I go to webgl pages. | 04:14 |
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| npm | sure would be nice if meego supported webgl in its browsers... | 04:16 |
| berndhs | i think it illustrates another problem | 04:18 |
| npm | plus it would be a nice "upstream" contribution where intel could help promote the 3d capabilities of its own chips (esp w/ future integrated rendering archs) | 04:18 |
| berndhs | nobody has a new story, so they tell the old ones in shiner ways | 04:18 |
| berndhs | s/shiner/shinier/ | 04:19 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: nobody has a new story, so they tell the old ones in shinier ways | 04:19 |
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| npm | well, maybe... once all the infrastructure is setup, you'll be able to do everything you can do in an "app" inside the browser... that's google's new story... doing all the old things in the browser | 04:19 |
| berndhs | yes, with more overhead and less security | 04:20 |
| berndhs | what a brilliant idea :P | 04:20 |
| akk | That's what WRT is about on meego, right? but I'm not clear if it's included by default, and seems to involve a lot of infrastructure on the developer end. | 04:21 |
| npm | well, perhaps more security | 04:21 |
| npm | there's no sandboxing in gstreamer codecs for example | 04:21 |
| npm | but in chrome you run arbitrary codecs in the sandbox | 04:21 |
| berndhs | if you don't run it in the browser its safer | 04:21 |
| berndhs | and cheaper in terms of resources | 04:21 |
| berndhs | so what is the point ? | 04:21 |
| berndhs | other than that the service provider knows what you are running and when ? | 04:22 |
| npm | well their pt of vu is that with the right infrastructure (e.g. crypto based auth, 2 factor, certs), hardware security validation, and everything sandboxed in the browser, they claim they're more secure | 04:22 |
| berndhs | thats a blatant lie | 04:22 |
| berndhs | they want your data, that is their business model | 04:23 |
| berndhs | run apps locally, and you dont have to rely on a 3rd party | 04:23 |
| npm | for an individual/hacker i agree | 04:24 |
| berndhs | and apart from that, it does waste resources to run everything in a browser | 04:24 |
| npm | for leagues of mindless corporate drones needing computers, that's their goal.: http://smarthouse.com.au/Home_Office/Notebooks_And_Tablets/P5K4W8D7 | 04:24 |
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| berndhs | i'm sorry, it is just fundamentally stupid | 04:25 |
| berndhs | even the coporations have no reason to give control to another corporation | 04:25 |
| npm | they give control to microsoft and every malware/spyware mfgr right now | 04:26 |
| berndhs | and giving it to google is better ? how ? | 04:27 |
| npm | don't make me be their advocate please! | 04:27 |
| npm | :-) | 04:27 |
| berndhs | :) | 04:27 |
| npm | i basically agree w/ you, however, from a technology pt of view, webgl support in the browser is pretty far off from that | 04:28 |
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| berndhs | sure | 04:28 |
| berndhs | the "no new story" is really also separate from that | 04:29 |
| npm | http://www.pcworld.com/article/227762/googles_great_chromebased_angry_birds_giveaway.html | 04:30 |
| npm | tha'ts the new story, all the things in html5 (app storage), webgl all coming together | 04:30 |
| berndhs | the last new story was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh | 04:31 |
| npm | teehee... http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ actually worked on meego... takes a long time to load | 04:36 |
| npm | (in firefox4, i'm not using chromium until https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 fixed) | 04:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16284 nor, Medium, ---, yang.jie, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds | 04:37 |
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| berndhs | here is a brilliant app for frequent fliers and people without windows http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/WhatWear?content=141390 | 04:50 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 07:44 |
| iekku | mmm, coffee, need coffee | 07:44 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, morning, how's your day? | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: looking outside it looks wet and grey | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: good morning to you too - did you solve your mic2 problems? | 07:47 |
| HyogiGim | hi! | 07:47 |
| HyogiGim | you remember me! :) | 07:47 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, uh :( | 07:48 |
| HyogiGim | i didn't solve the mic2 problems.. | 07:48 |
| HyogiGim | so i upgraded my openSUSE from 11.2 to 11.4 | 07:48 |
| gabrbedd | HyogiGim: iekku: stskeeps: kimmok: good morning! | 07:49 |
| HyogiGim | and reinstall qemu and mic2 | 07:49 |
| HyogiGim | good morning! :) | 07:49 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, good morning :) | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: ok, does it work better now or still same problem? | 07:49 |
| kimmok | gabrbedd: good morning | 07:49 |
| HyogiGim | now i faced another problem.. :( | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok, do please tell what it is :) | 07:49 |
| HyogiGim | Error: Bind-remounting '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap//parentroot' failed | 07:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, that's a new one - you're good at finding problems ;) | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: does /var/cache/meego-bootstrap//parentroot exist? | 07:51 |
| HyogiGim | yes | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | and you're running as root? | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | (or sudo) | 07:51 |
| HyogiGim | yes | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | cat /proc/mounts | grep /var/cache | 07:51 |
| HyogiGim | always i try on root | 07:51 |
| HyogiGim | ok | 07:51 |
| gabrbedd | HyogiGim: I find that I need to `rm -rf /var/cache/meego-bootstrap` every once in a while. | 07:52 |
| HyogiGim | ye.. i also remove that directory and remake bootstrap | 07:52 |
| HyogiGim | but cannot solve the problem.. | 07:53 |
| HyogiGim | TT | 07:53 |
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| HyogiGim | Stskeeps: i did cat command | 07:53 |
| HyogiGim | no results.. | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: can i see your exact command line for mic-image-creator? | 07:54 |
| HyogiGim | mic-image-creator -f loop -c meego-tablet-armv7hl-1.2.80.0.20110503.2.ks -k mycache -a armv7hl | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 07:56 |
| HyogiGim | ?? | 07:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so two things: --run-mode=1 , -f raw instead of -f loop | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | and --pkgmgr=yum | 07:57 |
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| HyogiGim | ok already i wrote --run-mode=1 in mic2.conf | 07:59 |
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| HyogiGim | i retry using -f raw | 07:59 |
| HyogiGim | thank you :) | 07:59 |
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| Stskeeps | my working setup is fedora 14, by the way | 08:00 |
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| * slonopotamus once asked on a linux forum what's the difference between opensuse and fedora. after long discussion, they came to the conclusion: yast and wallpapers | 08:04 | |
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| RST38h | slono: OpenSUSE is a Mercedes. | 08:10 |
| RST38h | slono: Fedora is a Ford. Neither works particularly well though. | 08:11 |
| slonopotamus | that doesn't tell me anything. | 08:11 |
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| kyb3R | a little off-topic: if you have a little hacker spirit in you and you go to SF before the conference, there's maker faire 21st-22nd: http://makerfaire.com/ | 09:06 |
| kyb3R | I'm also visiting Noisebridge, local hackerspace prolly on Saturday. Anyone else is welcome to tag along. | 09:06 |
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| HyogiGim | i used -f raw but still show same problem. :(( | 09:14 |
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| huzhanl | afternoon | 09:30 |
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| Myrtti | I feel slightly out of wits, can't find where or how to upload the slideset... | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | edit session | 09:35 |
| Myrtti | ah, the uploading dialog had been collapsed | 09:36 |
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| Myrtti | well it's a draft anyway | 09:38 |
| Myrtti | so I'll make a new one once I get my laptop out the bag so I can redo it in LaTeX | 09:38 |
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| cityLights | ~seen hrw | 10:12 |
| infobot | hrw is currently on #oe (6m 2s), last said: 'never got time to experiment with such'. | 10:12 |
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| bkalinga | is there a qmlviewer in meego sdk?? | 10:17 |
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| eg81 | bkalinga: meego-sdk-qmlviewer | 10:32 |
| eg81 | from meego-sdk-qt4-qmlviewer package | 10:32 |
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| bkalinga | meego@[meego-handset-sdk]::/$ meego-sdk-qmlviewer | 10:33 |
| bkalinga | -bash: meego-sdk-qmlviewer: command not found | 10:34 |
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| bkalinga | meego-sdk-qt4-qmlviewer is this a zypper package?? | 10:35 |
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| eg81 | it's the package for ubuntu, for meego it will be qt-qmlviewer package | 10:38 |
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| bkalinga | i can see git://gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components.git has qml related component and examples | 10:46 |
| bkalinga | can i get this package from zypper | 10:46 |
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| bkalinga | i want to run qml examples inside meego qemu | 10:47 |
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| Crawler | hi | 10:50 |
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| Crawler | I want to give meego a try but im not sure which image I should download, what is the difference between mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance , n900-de-sanity and n900-tablet-apps ? | 10:52 |
| Crawler | which should i get? | 10:52 |
| Crawler | (i will install it on N900) | 10:52 |
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| eg81 | Crawler: from http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess | 10:53 |
| eg81 | In DE case the sanity and acceptance in image name means which DE repository we are using in addition to the MeeGo Trunk, i.e., in sanity images we use Project:DE:Trunk repository and in acceptance Project:DE:Trunk:Testing repository. | 10:53 |
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| eg81 | Crawler: but if that ^^ has no meaning for you then just pust acceptance image | 10:56 |
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| eg81 | at least yesterday's image works fine | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/ <- interesting | 10:58 |
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| eg81 | bkalinga: probably it will be better to use meego-ux-components | 10:59 |
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| Crawler | eg81: thank You for the answer, ill get the acceptance image ;] | 10:59 |
| Crawler | eg81: and what is tablet-apps? does it include tablet ux? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | includes tablet apps | 11:00 |
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| bkalinga | eg81: let me install that package then | 11:04 |
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| guyzmo | lo | 11:27 |
| guyzmo | when I compile my soft on meego | 11:27 |
| guyzmo | is it better to install them in /usr/local as I usually do, or /opt ? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | /opt, see the meego compliance documents | 11:28 |
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| guyzmo | thanks | 11:28 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: aren't you on your way to the airport? :-) | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: no, saturday | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | (tomorrow) | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | oh | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | I thought you meant today | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | okay then, never mind, nothing to see here... | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:30 |
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| arhyttin | hi, is there any simple way to make a bootable USB stick from meego-core-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1-fs.tar.bz2? | 13:28 |
| arhyttin | ie. bootable Meego without any UX (I presume that contains either Linux text console, or even x terminal) | 13:29 |
| arhyttin | s/either/at least/ | 13:29 |
| infobot | arhyttin meant: ie. bootable Meego without any UX (I presume that contains at least Linux text console, or even x terminal) | 13:29 |
| arhyttin | oooo | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | mic2 | 13:30 |
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| arhyttin | Stskeeps: ty | 13:37 |
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| arhyttin | ...and what's the right place to get that? git.moblin.org? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | meego.gitorious.org | 13:39 |
| arhyttin | k | 13:40 |
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| naquad | hi | 14:09 |
| naquad | how do i modify default autopartitioning | 14:09 |
| Manni | hi | 14:09 |
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| bkalinga | i am getting an error file:///home/meego/qt-components/examples/meego/calculator/calculator.qml:43:1: module "com.meego" is not installed | 14:13 |
| bkalinga | how do i resolve this | 14:13 |
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| villev | can someone here fix the obs netbook builder? | 14:19 |
| villev | it gets stuck in infinite loops | 14:20 |
| villev | on projects that build fine on other targets | 14:20 |
| villev | you can see this in action here | 14:20 |
| villev | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=kasvopus&project=home:vivainio&repository=meego_1.1_extras_Netbook | 14:20 |
| villev | actually, it seems i586 builders in general are broken, arm builders work fine | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | That buider has a clock issue. Let me check. | 14:22 |
| villev | even with a failed clock, it's slightly surprising that it gets stuck on that phase | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | read the log. | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | Actually reading it helps :) | 14:23 |
| villev | I know it says timestamp is in the future | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, and qmake is so annoying to then just wait until the time is ok :) | 14:23 |
| villev | I don't see why it would be though - and why this works on arm builder | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | One of the builders had a clock running in a wrong timezone. You get to a different buider every time. | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | there is no difference in which arch, every builder can build for everything. | 14:25 |
| villev | so you fixed this now X-Fade? | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | yes | 14:25 |
| villev | ok, I'll retry | 14:25 |
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| slaine | anyone any tips for configuring a serial baed touchscreen device ? | 14:56 |
| slaine | based | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | tslib, maybe? | 14:57 |
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| slaine | Was wondering if I could do it via an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d entry | 15:00 |
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| andre__ | how can I rename/move a meego wikipage without destroying its history? do I need some special permissions? | 15:52 |
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| lbt | andre__: yes, I think so | 15:57 |
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| andre__ | how can I get them? :-P | 15:58 |
| lbt | ask Dawn I think | 15:58 |
| lbt | I can do it for you too | 15:58 |
| andre__ | DawnFoster: I want superpowers, because http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Localization is a huge mess! | 15:59 |
| andre__ | lbt, thanks :) | 15:59 |
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| lbt | andre__: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bureaucrat | 16:02 |
| andre__ | ah | 16:02 |
| * lbt is a mere admin and can't change your rights -- they can | 16:03 | |
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| andre__ | again, thanks for the pointers! | 16:03 |
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| thiago_home | DawnFoster: ping | 17:11 |
| thiago_home | up already? | 17:11 |
| lbt | robtaylor: ping if you're awake | 17:11 |
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| DawnFoster | andre__: I thought we'd documented the process to request wiki superpowers, but basically, you need to file a bug like this one: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14253 | 17:13 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 14253 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, VERI FIXED, Wiki sysop request | 17:13 |
| DawnFoster | I'll work on getting the process documented when I wake up a little :) | 17:13 |
| DawnFoster | hey thiago_home | 17:13 |
| DawnFoster | andre__: assign the bug to me | 17:14 |
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| andre__ | DawnFoster, okay, but can I still get some powers *now*? :) | 17:15 |
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| DawnFoster | andre__: well, the process is to make the request and give the other sysops time to object :) | 17:16 |
| DawnFoster | I don't have any issues with it | 17:16 |
| * lbt points out that andre__ is maemo.org bugmaster and there won't be any objections | 17:16 | |
| lbt | (not sure if you knew) | 17:16 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I'm familiar with andre__ :) | 17:16 |
| DawnFoster | and don't expect any objections | 17:17 |
| DawnFoster | andre__: can you file the bug now & we'll escalate the process | 17:17 |
| andre__ | "MeeGo is all about processes, it's not about getting things done" says my co-worker here in the office. | 17:17 |
| siddvicious | no sdk for linux now ? | 17:17 |
| siddvicious | :/ | 17:17 |
| DawnFoster | I see dneary online | 17:17 |
| lbt | andre__: I hear ya | 17:17 |
| DawnFoster | andre__: if you file the bug, we can probably do this in 15 minutes | 17:17 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, yes, you do | 17:17 |
| andre__ | I'll file a ticket now, sure | 17:17 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, And yes, we did | 17:18 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: surely the bug is *a* communication mechanism... just like irc | 17:18 |
| alterego | Does anyone know what Nokia N900 (micro usb) charger works in the US? | 17:18 |
| lbt | the audit trail is that andre__ becomes present in the list of admins? | 17:18 |
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| DawnFoster | the bug helps us go back and track why we gave him access - irc doesn't | 17:19 |
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| lbt | and that's important why? | 17:19 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, lbt, etc: http://wiki.meego.com/Wiki_sysops | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | alterego, get an adaptor? | 17:19 |
| alterego | GAN900: got one, but I figure if I already have a US N900 charger I'll take that as well. | 17:20 |
| GAN900 | AC-10U is the US version. | 17:20 |
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| dneary | Basically, two ways to become a sysop: help until you get invited, or ask in bugzilla & get approved | 17:20 |
| alterego | Okay, thanks | 17:20 |
| lbt | dneary: is the reason you invite someone recorded? | 17:21 |
| dneary | andre__, Dis you see that? I thought it was lbt asking, sorry | 17:21 |
| dneary | lbt, "After participating in wiki gardening activities for a while, you may be invited to become a sysop by the existing team. " | 17:21 |
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| * thiago_home blogs about which talks he'd like to go to at the meegoconf | 17:21 | |
| lbt | yes dneary, I read ut | 17:21 |
| lbt | it | 17:21 |
| dneary | lbt, So then you knew the answer :) | 17:22 |
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| lbt | but my point is ... do you file a bug before inviting someone? | 17:22 |
| dneary | lbt, Basically, we notice good work | 17:22 |
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| dneary | lbt, I would say no | 17:22 |
| lbt | so, if Dawn had simply 'invited' andre__ then he wouldn't need to file a bug | 17:22 |
| lbt | it is pointless bueuracracy | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | isn't this a bit of bikeshedding? | 17:22 |
| dneary | The bugs are just to allow admins to track who sysops applicants are | 17:22 |
| lbt | culture | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | as in, we actually have a meritocratic documented process for once in this projec | 17:23 |
| dneary | lbt, Meh, I don't know. The point is to get the end result | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | t | 17:23 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: score! | 17:23 |
| dneary | lbt, The end result being "someone who should be sysop, is sysop" | 17:23 |
| dneary | Now, if Dawn can add sysop permissions, creat | 17:23 |
| lbt | dneary: exactly... but DawnFoster said "no" | 17:23 |
| lbt | "file a bug" | 17:23 |
| lbt | *then* she'd add him | 17:24 |
| lbt | all I'm saying is that that is unneeded and we should be alert to it | 17:24 |
| dneary | But only bureaucrats can add a sysop | 17:24 |
| lbt | she is | 17:24 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I said file the bug & I'll help escalate it | 17:24 |
| dneary | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=bureaucrat&limit=50 | 17:24 |
| dneary | And I'm not a bureaucrat | 17:24 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: meaning that I'll personally do extra work & ping the people to comment right now | 17:24 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: I know ... just saying that since you could have spontaneously "invited" andre__ then there was no need | 17:25 |
| dneary | lbt, That implies to me that Dawn's not inviting him, that Andre's applying, and maybe Dawn wants to ask around | 17:25 |
| lbt | dneary: he's the maemo.org bugmaster! | 17:25 |
| dneary | I don't know, I just pointed you to the process | 17:25 |
| lbt | not some unknown nick | 17:25 |
| dneary | lbt, What domain? :) | 17:25 |
| lbt | oh come on | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | lbt, doesnt mean he does good wiki work | 17:25 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I have every intention of approving him | 17:25 |
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| dneary | And it's possible to be a bugmaster and never need to rename/delete a wiki page | 17:25 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: but all of the argument is making me regret working my butt off to escalate it | 17:25 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: you're being difficult when I'm trying to help | 17:26 |
| lbt | OK .. sorry... | 17:26 |
| andre__ | for the records, I filed https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17563 | 17:26 |
| dneary | lbt, DawnFoster, And making me regret getting involved in the conversation to point out the process | 17:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17563 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Wikipages renaming permissions request | 17:26 |
| andre__ | and I still love you all! | 17:26 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: can you comment on that bug | 17:26 |
| dneary | lbt, Permissions aren't rewards | 17:26 |
| dneary | They're enablers to let you do work that you want/need to do | 17:26 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I'll try :) | 17:27 |
| * lbt is also wiki admin - same as dneary... so .... why does his comment matter here? .... just saying. | 17:27 | |
| dneary | lbt, Yours matters too | 17:27 |
| dneary | lbt, Only, Dawn likes me better :) | 17:27 |
| lbt | I made it via irc | 17:27 |
| lbt | I know I was mean to her in an email and she's annoyed at me :) | 17:28 |
| lbt | I'll buy her some nice walnut salad in SF | 17:28 |
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| lbt | one day she'll forgive me.... *sigh* | 17:28 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I assumed I didn't need to ask you to comment since you already here with strong opinions :) | 17:28 |
| lbt | :P | 17:28 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: ;) | 17:28 |
| andre__ | uh uh, what do I have to do also get walnut salad? being mean to somebody? I can be good in that, really! :-P | 17:28 |
| lbt | me ... strong opinions? | 17:28 |
| lbt | seriously! | 17:28 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I'm not one to hold a grudge - you annoyed me anew today :) | 17:29 |
| lbt | I'm consistent then | 17:29 |
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| Myrtti | hm | 17:29 |
| lbt | and I did just mean to save you time by mentioning his credentials and turning it into a no-brainer... | 17:30 |
| lbt | sorry it went the other way | 17:30 |
| * andre__ hands out hearts and love to everybody | 17:30 | |
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| gabrbedd | andre__: you beat me to it! | 17:30 |
| andre__ | I understand documenting (bug reports) why decisions are/were made. | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | cheesecake all around | 17:31 |
| lbt | andre__: I would too ... but it's optional... not needed if you are 'invited' .... that's the inconsistency | 17:31 |
| dneary | Comment added | 17:31 |
| dneary | andre__, I saw it more as a way of keeping track of a todo list | 17:32 |
| dneary | andre__, But it also does help for justifying various additions | 17:32 |
| lbt | so... http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Wiki_sysops&action=historysubmit&diff=38665&oldid=34008 | 17:34 |
| andre__ | dneary, I totally understand. In the end it's right to have it documented, I must admit of course | 17:34 |
| andre__ | I mean, I see some Intel QA folks all of the time adding even more undiscussed useless fields to Bugzilla to make it completely unusable, and I sometimes wished they'd at least *try* to discuss something first... sigh | 17:34 |
| dneary | lbt, There's no bugzilla bug for me :-P~~~~ | 17:34 |
| lbt | dneary: don't know about me | 17:34 |
| lbt | andre__: actually I want to discuss that | 17:34 |
| lbt | we need to track DE specific bugs | 17:35 |
| dneary | Or qgil, mshaver, tkojo, etc | 17:35 |
| lbt | I want to auto resolve them on commit to trunk | 17:35 |
| andre__ | lbt, me too. But every time I come up with a followup question I'm faced with silence as a "response" to my emails. | 17:35 |
| dneary | lbt, ISTR you were the test case for the new super complicated process I wrote | 17:35 |
| lbt | dneary: coulda been ... people test all kinds of wierd stuff on me | 17:35 |
| lbt | :) | 17:35 |
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| DawnFoster | andre__: ok, you are all set with additional access | 17:36 |
| DawnFoster | now is where I point out that all of the discussion about how much the process sucks took longer than running andre__ through the actual process ;) | 17:36 |
| andre__ | DawnFoster, :-* | 17:36 |
| lbt | andre__: so... the DE guys currently put [DE] in their report titles... is there a better way ? | 17:36 |
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| andre__ | lbt, basically there's either keywords, or using [PREFIXES] in the summaries. | 17:37 |
| andre__ | and it looks like for [DE] prefixes are used | 17:37 |
| * lbt mumbles to DawnFoster about a mailing list announcement and 24 hour delay and then runs away | 17:37 | |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: communication is good :) | 17:37 |
| lbt | andre__: which should DE use? | 17:38 |
| andre__ | lbt, there is no keyword for DE :) | 17:38 |
| andre__ | so [DE] as summary prefix && N900 as keyword | 17:38 |
| lbt | can you have multiple prefixes? | 17:38 |
| andre__ | lbt, I'm also often confused by this stuff. especially as I have the feeling that it neither gets discussed or documented. | 17:38 |
| andre__ | sure, you can | 17:38 |
| andre__ | [META][DE][REG] or so :-P | 17:39 |
| lbt | OK .. thinking rexep stuff | 17:39 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#Bug_Lifecycle | 17:39 |
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| lbt | ericlr worked on that too | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | I wish I had a kitchen at my use at the conference | 17:39 |
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| Myrtti | I would make cheesecake for everyone | 17:39 |
| lbt | I would like to say "if a bug matches *these* criteria it will be marked fixed" | 17:40 |
| gabrbedd | Myrtti: Don't forget the bacon! | 17:40 |
| lbt | sounds like "has [DE] as one of the [*] items" AND "has N900 as a keyword" | 17:41 |
| andre__ | dneary: are you really sure that you know where I live? because I don't think so ;-) | 17:41 |
| lbt | andre__: should go to #meego-arm so Sage can hear too - I guess Stskeeps|holiday is packing :) | 17:41 |
| dneary | andre__, The internet is all powerful | 17:42 |
| ericlr | lbt: N900 keyword should come first, DE is just a subset | 17:42 |
| ericlr | it has flag also for the blockers | 17:42 |
| andre__ | dneary, I think you can easily find my parents' address, but not my current address :) | 17:42 |
| andre__ | dneary, if it's a German address then it's wrong | 17:42 |
| dneary | andre__, well, if you want to get all pedantic, I have the tools to find out where you live. And I know where you work. | 17:43 |
| andre__ | dneary, interesting... | 17:43 |
| dneary | So you've moved to the Czech Republic? | 17:43 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, I almost completely certain that'd be something that could be arranged in SF | 17:44 |
| lbt | ericlr: so is N900 enough for DE process ? I think not since MeeGo core bugs could mention it couldn't they ? | 17:44 |
| andre__ | dneary: I'm just curious, you know... :) Because I normally don't hand out my postal address. But not pedantic, no. I trust you :) | 17:44 |
| ericlr | well I guess that for dependencies the keyword might actually be missing | 17:44 |
| ericlr | well, one can also use the whiteboard to append useful info | 17:45 |
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| ericlr | lbt: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16881 | 17:46 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16881 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, RESO FIXED, Doesn't comment or action bugs | 17:46 |
| ericlr | lbt: what is system change for? | 17:46 |
| dneary | andre__, Hmmm... Your IP address says you're in Berlin | 17:46 |
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| andre__ | dneary, yes, visiting the co-workers for two days :) | 17:47 |
| lbt | ericlr: System messages ? | 17:48 |
| griffonn | hi everybody | 17:48 |
| lbt | they are for warning/check messages | 17:48 |
| ericlr | lbt: y lbt from home:lbt:zDE:Trunk:Testing/impuzzle | 17:48 |
| ericlr | comment: OK, bugfix in there - lets test | 17:48 |
| ericlr | System messages: | 17:48 |
| ericlr | Relevant Changelog information: | 17:48 |
| ericlr | Mon 9 May 2011 David Greaves <david@dgreaves.com> 0.7.4 | 17:48 |
| ericlr | - No change | 17:48 |
| ericlr | - Fixes BMC#16881 | 17:48 |
| lbt | ericlr: careful - pastebin or you'll get auto kicked | 17:48 |
| griffonn | i was wondering if anybody uses lenovo s10-3 netbook | 17:48 |
| ericlr | lbt: oh I always forget sorry! | 17:49 |
| siddvicious | oh yeah i was thrown offline by my network | 17:49 |
| siddvicious | i was i asking is there any meego sdk for linux right now ? | 17:49 |
| siddvicious | :/ | 17:49 |
| ericlr | lbt: so system changes in practice what kind of msg? | 17:50 |
| lbt | ericlr: maybe "failed to build in source project" | 17:50 |
| lbt | or "changelog contains no bug#" | 17:51 |
| lbt | err... that won't make sense in this context :) | 17:51 |
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| ericlr | lbt: yes, I was under the impression we keep silent in the bug report for the "rejectance" part ;) | 17:51 |
| ericlr | only console msg to the user | 17:52 |
| lbt | we do... but currently we don't auto reject | 17:52 |
| ericlr | we should log only success in the bug report | 17:52 |
| lbt | and as new checks come in they will likely initially be 'advisory' | 17:52 |
| ericlr | yeah… I know folks are reluctant to even try it. | 17:52 |
| lbt | well, pre-SF ... but there is a BoF... | 17:53 |
| ericlr | but it's for the good cause | 17:53 |
| lbt | damn... must write that | 17:53 |
| ericlr | ehe, we're in the same boat | 17:53 |
| lbt | thiago_home: am I too late for the latebreaking session for today | 17:53 |
| timoph | lbt: afaik you're not. you just won't get it in the printed program | 17:54 |
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| griffonn | does anyone know any fix for lenovo brightness keys? | 17:55 |
| * timoph remembers someone saying something like that recently | 17:56 | |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: What version of MeeGo? WORKSFORME | 17:56 |
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| griffonn | gabrbedd: 1.1 | 18:00 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: And which edition? | 18:00 |
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| griffonn | netbook, it's on lenovo s10-3 | 18:00 |
| griffonn | gabrbedd: netbook, it's on lenovo s10-3 | 18:00 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: Is there anything in the folder /sys/class/backlight/ ? | 18:01 |
| griffonn | empty | 18:01 |
| griffonn | gabrbedd: empty | 18:01 |
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| gabrbedd | griffonn: That's the basic problem. The ACPI-kernel thing isn't working right. | 18:02 |
| griffonn | gabrbedd: so what can i do | 18:02 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: AFAIK, this works in the 1.1.99 versions (RC's for 1.2) | 18:02 |
| griffonn | gabrbedd: ok, so can i update to them without reinstalling fresh system | 18:03 |
| timoph | btw, anyone know if full screen flash playing is fixed in the latest images? | 18:03 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: Probably not. It probably takes a reinstall. | 18:03 |
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| griffonn | gabrbedd: ok, thanks | 18:04 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: Beyond that, I can't help any further. Try a live image to verify that it works... and then you have the problem bracketed. | 18:04 |
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| gabrbedd | griffonn: One thing that might work is to try a kernel from the 1.1.99 series... but it will break your touchscreen driver (if you have one) | 18:05 |
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| griffonn | gabrbedd: lucky me i havent, only touchpad | 18:06 |
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| slaine | I think the Elopalypse has reached dublin by the sound of that thunder crack. | 18:06 |
| robtaylor | lbt: pong | 18:07 |
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| gabrbedd | griffonn: then I would try kernel-adaptation-pinetrail from the 1.1.99 repos. If it fails, you can always uninstall it. | 18:07 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: What crack? | 18:07 |
| damian_-_ | um, bit of a problem here. does meego affect the bios in any way. i dint see how, or think it does but after a meegi install my pc freezes @ the bios. its an asus laptop. i booted meego off usb. works fine. decided to install. after install my laptop wont enter bios setup or go past the asus in itial bios screen | 18:08 |
| slaine | thunder clap perhaps ? | 18:09 |
| slaine | clap of thunder, crack of lightening, I can't remember the right term | 18:09 |
| griffonn | gabrbedd: what do i need for this, the image of 1.1.99? and tell me please what do you think about 2.80, is it more-less usable already | 18:09 |
| slaine | anyway, 'twas loud. Sounded like an industrial accident next door in Guinness's | 18:09 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: Yes. I meant: are you being figurative or literal? (You mentioned Elop) | 18:10 |
| damian_-_ | i think i may have broken this laptop | 18:10 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: It better be usable... release date is in 6 days. | 18:10 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: sorry, confusing | 18:10 |
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| griffonn | gabrbedd: oh really, so maybe i should wait these 6 days and then install it, and for now to live with bright screen :) | 18:11 |
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| slaine | I'll get my site ready over the weekend for the Broadcom / 1.2 wifi instructions | 18:12 |
| lbt | robtaylor: hey ... can you give me 5min :) | 18:12 |
| gabrbedd | griffonn: Why not download one of the weekly builds and try it out (in "live" mode)? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ | 18:13 |
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| damian_-_ | ok i pulled the hdd and the laptop now gets into setup. what does meego do to the hdd? im assuming its just a simple brug setup to boot? | 18:14 |
| damian_-_ | not sure why that would freeze the bios, before it tries to load the hdd | 18:15 |
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| slaine | damian_-_: is the HDD ok ? | 18:15 |
| damian_-_ | grub. sorry this keyboard is bad | 18:16 |
| slaine | stuff like that usually happens when the HDD hs on it's way out | 18:16 |
| slaine | DMA errors etc. | 18:16 |
| damian_-_ | the hdd is fine. worked fine. smart is fine, until a meego install | 18:16 |
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| griffonn | gabrbedd: ok, i'll try that. thank you for help. i am starting to live with meego, and good community is what made ubuntu, and what makes meego as i see | 18:17 |
| damian_-_ | could just be coincidence but im trying to rule out anything meego has done. worked no problems until reboot after an install | 18:17 |
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| gabrbedd | damian_-_: MeeGo doesn't touch the BIOS. If you're error is at the BIOS level... in all likelyhood meego did not (directly) cause it. | 18:19 |
| damian_-_ | ok. didnt think so but had to know for my own piece of mid | 18:20 |
| damian_-_ | mind | 18:20 |
| damian_-_ | this is quite a bizarre situation | 18:20 |
| gabrbedd | damian_-_: I agree. Maybe try removing the hard drive and booting. | 18:22 |
| damian_-_ | i removed the hdd. i can get into bios then. i tried the hdd just then on another brand laptop and its bios also freezes | 18:22 |
| timoph | I've seen a couple of times battery charging not working after meego installation. resetting bios to defaults solved the issue | 18:23 |
| timoph | this was with ideapad | 18:23 |
| damian_-_ | hdd showed no signs of failure but maybe the work of an install pushed it over its edge and it died | 18:23 |
| timoph | could be | 18:24 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps|holiday: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-de-how-you-do-it | 18:25 |
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| damian_-_ | ok this is bizarre | 18:28 |
| damian_-_ | i puleed the hdd. went into bios. changede boot settings so it only boots from usb and put hdd in again and it boots fine. | 18:28 |
| damian_-_ | on 2 laptops one is a hp other an asus | 18:29 |
| damian_-_ | different bioses | 18:29 |
| damian_-_ | somehow before even trying to doo boot sequence it detects meego and freezes | 18:29 |
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| damian_-_ | i can confirm hdd works 100% smart is fine and a scan on hdd showed no errors | 18:30 |
| gabrbedd | damian_-_: So... it now boots meego off the hdd? | 18:30 |
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| damian_-_ | no. i had to format the bootsector to get the bios to stop freezing | 18:31 |
| damian_-_ | im cunfised as to why it would read that before the boot sequence | 18:31 |
| damian_-_ | confused | 18:31 |
| damian_-_ | wouldnt even allow going into setup | 18:32 |
| damian_-_ | very odd | 18:32 |
| gabrbedd | damian_-_: probably part of the HW dection POST stuff. Looking to see if there's a bootable hdd. | 18:32 |
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| gabrbedd | damian_-_: Try installing MeeGo again. Make sure you shut it down properly. If it happens again, please file a bug. | 18:33 |
| damian_-_ | ok, i will do. how does meego affect the hdd in a way to freeze the bios | 18:33 |
| damian_-_ | even post i still only see it reading the hdd. not trying to boot off it. if somethings just corrupted or wrong wouldnt it just tell me that it cant boot off said hdd? | 18:34 |
| damian_-_ | oh, im running it on a normal laptop. core solo, but does have gma500. is there much point filing a bug since its not supported | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | damian_-_: My guess is that either MeeGo wrote an invalid partition table/boot sector and the BIOS's logic choked on it (bug in BIOS, bug in MeeGo).... | 18:35 |
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| gabrbedd | damian_-_: ...or that MeeGo did just fine, and the BIOS has a bug because it found something unexpected. | 18:35 |
| damian_-_ | ok. thanks, i understand better now. | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | wat... GMA500? | 18:35 |
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| gabrbedd | is it an atom? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | thiago_home: opinions on when i should do the send-out of the last friday LBNs? | 18:36 |
| damian_-_ | oops sorry, gma950 | 18:37 |
| damian_-_ | 945 actually | 18:37 |
| gabrbedd | damian_-_: FWIW, the Lenovo Ideapads corrupt their own BIOS-es for semi-random reasons. Rendering wifi unusable. | 18:37 |
| gabrbedd | damian_-_: but what CPU do you have? | 18:37 |
| * timoph has noticed that :) | 18:37 | |
| damian_-_ | core 2 1.6ghz | 18:38 |
| sergiusens | gabrbedd: do you know if there's a patch available that fixes that wifi issue? | 18:38 |
| sergiusens | BIOS patch | 18:39 |
| gabrbedd | sergiusens: dunno. You know how to correct the problem, right? | 18:39 |
| sergiusens | I think it was something related to removing and readding the module | 18:39 |
| sergiusens | but don't remember exactly | 18:40 |
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| damian_-_ | i will try again. i will also update the bios. i gotta pull the hdd from this laptop to do something il be back to let you know how it went | 18:40 |
| gabrbedd | sergiusens: No. Go to bios set up. Load default settings. Save. Reboot. | 18:41 |
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| gabrbedd | sergiusens: I think whether you have the power supply plugged in or not makes a difference. | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | sergiusens: It happens when the battery gets low. | 18:41 |
| sergiusens | ah, sounds a lot easier | 18:41 |
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| sergiusens | I'll have to write this down, my memory is kinda flaky | 18:41 |
| sergiusens | and it will help me from random questions from the rest of the team here | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | sergiusens: I'll bet someone's put it on the wiki. If not... write it down on the wiki! | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | (I think theres' a page for the lenovo) | 18:42 |
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| sergiusens | ah, ok, I'll see if I have editing privs | 18:43 |
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| timoph | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad | 18:43 |
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| sergiusens | but I can't login now, forgot my password and became dependant on openid from blogger which is currently down :-P | 18:43 |
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| sergiusens | thanks timoph! | 18:44 |
| sergiusens | and of course gabrbedd | 18:45 |
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| timoph | np | 18:46 |
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| gabrbedd | yw! | 18:47 |
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| gandhijee | can i run meego on a core2duo system? | 18:57 |
| gabrbedd | gandhijee: if it has intel graphis, then yes. | 18:58 |
| gabrbedd | graphics | 18:58 |
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| gandhijee | does meego make some special requests to the GFX hardware or does it just need to support KMS? | 18:58 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: ping | 19:00 |
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| KDB | i want to love meego !!! | 19:07 |
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| KDB | do i have an intel atom device to develop meego app | 19:15 |
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| lbt | it helps | 19:15 |
| lbt | an N900 is also possible | 19:16 |
| KDB | if i have core 2 duo ...can i ? | 19:17 |
| gabrbedd | KDB: It's easier if you have a C2D with intel graphics. But you have options (QEMU) even if you don't have a C2D. | 19:18 |
| akk | One of the AppUp presenters said you can emulate MeeGo with virtualbox instead of qemu, but I haven't found much written about that. | 19:19 |
| akk | (qemu hardware virtualization extensions, virtualbox doesn't) | 19:20 |
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| KDB | i hv Dell Inspiron 1545 with Core2 Duo and 4gb ram ...hope i hv no problem | 19:21 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: pong | 19:23 |
| KDB | is nokia still support meego....... | 19:24 |
| KDB | i was disipoint when they take W7... | 19:25 |
| slaine | KDB, yes, but to a lesser extent | 19:25 |
| slaine | They're sponsoring a lot of dev work still | 19:26 |
| slaine | either via contractors or direct employee resources | 19:26 |
| slaine | I assume they're also still working on that Harmattan device | 19:26 |
| KDB | meego want to release its devices in the market....that will boost meego dev | 19:26 |
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| KDB | and i also hear nokia sold Qt....is it true? | 19:27 |
| alterego | No | 19:27 |
| slaine | no | 19:27 |
| alterego | That is not true :) | 19:27 |
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| slaine | They sold some Qt contracts they managed iirc | 19:28 |
| slaine | or something related to Qt commercial contracts anyway | 19:28 |
| alterego | Yes, the sold off commercial licensing and support to an outside company. | 19:28 |
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| KDB | i m a great supporter of meego & want it become more powerful than android | 19:30 |
| slaine | On mobile ? | 19:31 |
| KDB | any platform | 19:31 |
| slaine | I wouldn't think that's feasible. For tablets/<other> definitely so. | 19:31 |
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| slaine | I wouldn't like to see Android as the new Embedded Linux (which is where it's heading) | 19:32 |
| alterego | Embedded is a lot more than phones | 19:33 |
| alterego | Phones are getting more and more like computers every day. | 19:33 |
| KDB | i love android also ...and when there is competion ..the out come is awesome | 19:33 |
| alterego | So the notion of Android being "embedded" is kind of not really true. | 19:33 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: just wanted to say that http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-de-how-you-do-it is done now. | 19:34 |
| thiago_home | lbt: cool | 19:35 |
| thiago_home | lbt: in time for the printouts | 19:36 |
| thiago_home | Qt Quick 2.0 session also in | 19:36 |
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| lbt | good - slightly worried that I'm pushing too much ... this is really not just mine though | 19:36 |
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| lbt | the DE guys are flat out on the release so I kinda helped out :) | 19:36 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | thiago_home: good time for LBN sendouts or are we still waiting? | 19:37 |
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| alterego | Yay, kernel panic on obs | 19:38 |
| alterego | It wasn't me I sware .. | 19:39 |
| lbt | eh what ? | 19:39 |
| alterego | ~swear | 19:39 |
| infobot | Heck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh, but only in #utah. | 19:39 |
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| alterego | Okay, for some reason my package is in an infinite qmake loop | 19:39 |
| alterego | Anyone come across this before? | 19:40 |
| alterego | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=meego-handset-dialer&project=home%3Atswindell%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3ATrunk&repository=Project_DE_Trunk_Testing_standard | 19:40 |
| lbt | alterego: kernel panic during a build? | 19:40 |
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| alterego | lbt: I think it had a problem starting xen, then worked second time,. | 19:40 |
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| alterego | This is the real issue though, qmake being continually executed. | 19:40 |
| lbt | alterego: mmm note the worker if you can please | 19:41 |
| lbt | alterego: oh that's just Qt I'm sure .... ;) | 19:41 |
| alterego | pubworker03 | 19:41 |
| alterego | I don't think so | 19:41 |
| alterego | I think it's a packaging problem. | 19:41 |
| alterego | But all I did was upload a new .tar.bz2 and update .yaml and .spec to newer version. | 19:42 |
| alterego | make: Warning: File `projects.pro' has modification time 1.8e+04 s in the future | 19:42 |
| lbt | looks OK to me externally | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | lbt, looked like missing qemu | 19:42 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps|holiday: I'd like to take the DE talk and the Qt Quick talk too | 19:42 |
| alterego | Maybe that has something to do with it. | 19:42 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: fixed ntp recently | 19:42 |
| lbt |  cross compile not possible due to missing static binaries | 19:42 |
| lbt | mm | 19:42 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps|holiday: let's do Day 5 now between the two of us, prepare a summary for Dirk and see how soon he can reply | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | ok | 19:42 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps|holiday: btw, I de-scheduled lsobral's talk. We have one more hole open. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | ok | 19:43 |
| alterego | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv8el&package=meego-handset-dialer&project=home%3Atswindell%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3ATrunk&repository=Project_DE_Trunk_Testing_standard | 19:43 |
| alterego | lbt: you can't say that looks right :P | 19:43 |
| * lbt gets blank screen | 19:44 | |
| Stskeeps|holiday | alterego: screenshot | 19:44 |
| alterego | I think the projects.pro warning might cause qmake to return non 0 value which causes obs to retry | 19:45 |
| alterego | http://pastie.org/1897429 | 19:45 |
| * alterego tries regenerating the .tar.bz2 file | 19:46 | |
| lbt | nah | 19:46 |
| lbt | date shouldn't be wrong | 19:47 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps|holiday: I'd like to fill up Day 1. Are you up for two talks back-to-back? | 19:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:47 |
| lbt | alterego: although your machine may have a bad date | 19:47 |
| alterego | Fri May 13 17:48:00 BST 2011 | 19:48 |
| alterego | It's set from NTP :P | 19:48 |
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| alterego | That's quite amusing that I caught it on zero seconds though :D | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | lbt: err.. MeeGo DE should be marked as a BoF shouldn't it | 19:54 |
| lbt | yes | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | please edit title accordingily to say BoF: then | 19:55 |
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| lbt | done | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | thinking that Stskeeps|holiday isn't great at the whole "holiday" thing :) | 19:57 |
| DawnFoster | not that we don't appreciate the help straightening out conference proposals! | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | DawnFoster: first flying in the morning, but i don't count the conference program commitee stuff as work :P | 19:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps|holiday: does Bogna ? | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | lbt: i explictly asked for permission ;) | 19:59 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: lucky, I've been going Paleo, but doing it on my own, wife's still veggy | 20:01 |
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| gabrbedd | slaine: well, I got volunteered for it. The last thing I need is something ELSE just before MeeGoConf | 20:07 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: But it's good, and good stuff, and supports her. :-) | 20:08 |
| * slaine wishes he was going to MeeGoConf | 20:08 | |
| * gabrbedd wishes slaine was going to MeeGoConf | 20:08 | |
| slaine | awe, thanks. Here, have a beer | 20:08 |
| gabrbedd | I would be stressed out anyway... it's just that so many things are converging on that week. | 20:08 |
| gabrbedd | mmmm... thank you! | 20:09 |
| slaine | Yeah, I've got a stressfull couple of weeks ahead of me now | 20:09 |
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| alterego | Wow, only 2 release blocker bugs | 20:44 |
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| andre__ | alterego, uh? | 20:45 |
| andre__ | my query finds 60. | 20:45 |
| alterego | Probably wrong channel, I was refering N900 DE | 20:45 |
| andre__ | ah | 20:45 |
| andre__ | phou :) | 20:45 |
| alterego | ;) | 20:45 |
| andre__ | MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker+ ? | 20:46 |
| andre__ | that says 51 items. | 20:46 |
| alterego | Strange: https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?priority=High&keywords=n900&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&bug_severity=critical&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=INDEFINITION&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=ACCEPTED&bug_status=WAITING%20FOR%20UPSTREAM&bug_status=WAITING&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=anyexact&value0-0-0=MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker%2B&known_name=N900DE%20TOP%2010 | 20:46 |
| alterego | This is the link from the DE wiki page. | 20:46 |
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| alterego | Oh sorry that's the top 10 | 20:47 |
| alterego | I was getting confused :D | 20:47 |
| andre__ | alterego, see at the top: "Priority: High, Severity: critical" | 20:47 |
| alterego | Yeah, got the 51 now ;) | 20:47 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=WAITING%20FOR%20UPSTREAM&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker%2B | 20:47 |
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| alterego | Oh, QML dialer does already have 'p' and 'w' entry. | 20:51 |
| alterego | Must have forgotten I implemented that. | 20:51 |
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| gabrbedd | Yay! I just forked meego-ux-daemon without much travail. :-) | 21:08 |
| * gabrbedd is adding custom features for his device.... | 21:09 | |
| kamui | hey, is there a testing or experimental repository in meego for X86? Im hoping someone already build the 2.6.37 or later kernel that I can install | 21:09 |
| kamui | I don't want to rebuild it from source on this tablet | 21:09 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: for 1.1? | 21:10 |
| andyross | kamui: MeeGo 1.2 has been using 2.6.37 as its base for a while now, and the current pinetrail images are actually 2.6.38. | 21:10 |
| kamui | yes | 21:10 |
| kamui | would that be the way to go then | 21:10 |
| kamui | ? | 21:10 |
| andyross | Yes, as the release is just days away anyway. | 21:11 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: what andyross said ^^ :-) | 21:11 |
| kamui | :) | 21:11 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Depending on your device, you probably DO NOT want to build your own kernel. | 21:11 |
| gabrbedd | (lots of work and a couple hidden gotchas) | 21:12 |
| kamui | yea, its a Tega V2.1 | 21:13 |
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| andyross | It's not so bad, though it depends on the device (some of the adaptation kernels have some pretty hairy patch sets). With pinetrail, it's a tiny handful of patches. I routinely just build on my desktop by copying the config file from the image I want to modify. | 21:13 |
| kamui | andyross, should I download the initial prerelease image? 4/26? | 21:14 |
| kamui | thats the only download I can find of 1.2, though I though I heard the final RC was about | 21:14 |
| andyross | I always just grab whatever is current from trunk, but 1.2 just branched, so I think you probably want to look in that tree. | 21:15 |
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| andyross | Yeah, should be this one until the release, at which it will be 1.2 or 1.2.0 or whatever: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.1.99/latest/images/ | 21:16 |
| kamui | awesome | 21:16 |
| kamui | tnx | 21:16 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: andyross: Well the main gotcha is making touchscreen drivers work. The systems for 1.2 aren't compatible with 1.1 | 21:19 |
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| gabrbedd | That is, if you want multitouch. | 21:19 |
| kamui | multitouch is an afterthought at the moment | 21:20 |
| kamui | I know that my hardware (havon 2 touch display) has mature drivers in the 2.6.37 kernel and later | 21:21 |
| berndhs | I still say its perverse that touch-pads are not touch devices | 21:21 |
| kamui | meego 1.1 works, but the display is super sensitive to touch, which is actually not the same problem as other linux distros | 21:21 |
| kamui | so I want to give it a shot | 21:21 |
| kamui | I was able to fix bodhi, ubuntu, and debian with a kernel update | 21:22 |
| kamui | and meego is super interesting and already designed for a touch only device interface... | 21:22 |
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| kamui | I never did flash meego when I ahd my N900, the first images arrived after I had already moved on | 21:23 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: For a Hanvon touchscreen... I would shoot for 2.6.38 or higher. And you'll probably need that to even get single-touch to work. | 21:24 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: The Hanvon's I've encountered use the hid-multitouch driver, which was added in 2.6.38. | 21:25 |
| kamui | yea, I have 2.6.39 on the other distros | 21:25 |
| kamui | works well, multitouch only works in unity though which had other major flaws | 21:26 |
| kamui | looks like there isn't any framework for multitouch other than gesture capture via a utility | 21:26 |
| kamui | in the other wms | 21:26 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: MT has two facets: Kernel Support and X11 support. | 21:26 |
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| luist | meego doesnt connect to wireless or cable?? | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Kernel support has been there for quite a while, and is pretty stable (if you have the right driver). | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: For userspace, the future is the XInput2 protocol. | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: MeeGo has backported the XInput2 protocol via the mtev driver. | 21:28 |
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| gabrbedd | (xf86-input-mtev, IIRC) | 21:28 |
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| gabrbedd | However, in 1.1 there was a special kernel module (mtdev) that spoke to mtev, and they had a special relationship with each other. | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | So in 1.1, the X11 mtev requires the kernel mtdev. If one or the other is missing --> no MT for 1.1 | 21:30 |
| gabrbedd | 1.2 has a setup that's more Right... but the mtev part has a couple quirks. | 21:31 |
| gabrbedd | well, ONE quirk: You have to explicitly tell mtev to manage your device. | 21:32 |
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| kamui | that doesn't sound so bad | 21:32 |
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| andre__ | luist, I don't understand your question. | 21:33 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Sure... now that someone's told you. :-p | 21:33 |
| kamui | :) | 21:33 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Still it's a few hours of work. So if you're game... go right ahead. :-) | 21:33 |
| kamui | sure gabrbedd, just let me know what youre schedule is looking like so you can walk me thorugh it | 21:34 |
| kamui | :-D | 21:34 |
| kamui | first things first, lets see if 1.2 even has a usable touch interface | 21:34 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: lol | 21:35 |
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| gabrbedd | Go 1.2, use the kernel meego-adaptation-pinetrail | 21:35 |
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| kamui | ok, I downloaded the tablet pinetrail img | 21:36 |
| kamui | aobut to flash it | 21:36 |
| kamui | then I need to install that kernel post install? | 21:36 |
| kamui | ok, im runnin with it | 21:37 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Yes, you probably need to post-install that package. Let me know whether you do or don't, though. | 21:38 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: There was discussion on the ML that it's already in the tablet-pinetrail images... but the logs say that it's not. | 21:39 |
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| kamui | will do, im writing the image to my jump drive now, Ill let you know what I find | 21:40 |
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| kamui | gabrbedd, btw, I noticed the 1.1 installer mangled my grub bootloader, even though I specified the additional OS's to boot | 21:45 |
| kamui | is it broken? Not a huge deal, as I can just reconfigure grub again after booting back into debian | 21:45 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Yes, it will mangle your boot loader. | 21:47 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: It writes to the MBR to use the meego bootloader, and then tries to support the other OS's. | 21:47 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: It doesn't do a great job, though -- because being a desktop OS isn't a priority for MeeGo. | 21:48 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: There's no way to disable MeeGo's boot loader. | 21:48 |
| gabrbedd | ...at the install that is. | 21:48 |
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| kamui | ok | 21:50 |
| kamui | so here's another fun fact | 21:50 |
| kamui | looks like the system booted | 21:51 |
| kamui | no touch screen at all | 21:51 |
| kamui | is there a default U/P for the console? | 21:51 |
| gabrbedd | can you plug in a mouse? | 21:51 |
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| gabrbedd | U/P = meego/meego and root/meego | 21:52 |
| kamui | yea, but nothing | 21:52 |
| kamui | no cursor | 21:52 |
| kamui | and the screen is rotated 90deg | 21:52 |
| kamui | kernel shows both the usb mouse and the hanvon touch detected | 21:53 |
| gabrbedd | oh yeah, I forgot they turned the cursor off. | 21:53 |
| * gabrbedd turned his on. | 21:53 | |
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| gabrbedd | rotation is normal. | 21:54 |
| gabrbedd | Ctrl+Alt+F1 takes you to a console (if you didn't know) | 21:54 |
| gabrbedd | ...and if you have a keyboard :-) | 21:54 |
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| kamui | im at the console | 21:56 |
| kamui | just verified the kernel driver is working | 21:56 |
| kamui | and assigned the touchscreen to /dev/input/event8 | 21:56 |
| kamui | looking in the X11/conf.d/ files | 21:57 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: What does `rpm -qa kernel*` give you? | 21:57 |
| kamui | 2.6.37 | 21:57 |
| kamui | .2 | 21:58 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Yeah, it'll detect the touchscreen... but use the wrong driver. It should at least single-touch OK out-of-the-box. | 21:58 |
| kamui | thats what I would have expected | 21:59 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: But for me... the hanvon's won't work like that... they need the hid-multitouch driver. | 21:59 |
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| gabrbedd | zypper refresh && zypper install kernel-adaptation-pinetrail && shutdown -r now | 22:00 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 22:00 |
| gabrbedd | (That is... if it's installed instead of live) | 22:00 |
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| kamui | no chance | 22:03 |
| kamui | tablet only has a wifi adapter | 22:03 |
| kamui | and i got no interwebs | 22:04 |
| kamui | where can I download it manually | 22:04 |
| kamui | unless I can configure the supplicant manually | 22:04 |
| kamui | I haven't touched command line wireless configuration in like 10 years | 22:05 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.99/1.1.99.5.20110503.6/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/ | 22:05 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: command line wireless will be a catch-22. Need connman-tests or connman-utils or something like that (not installed by default) | 22:06 |
| kamui | lol | 22:07 |
| kamui | well, I just got your package, im copying it now | 22:07 |
| kamui | rpm -Uvh should handle it? | 22:07 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps|holiday: replied | 22:07 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: yes | 22:07 |
| kamui | ok | 22:09 |
| kamui | grubby failed unable to find a suitable template | 22:09 |
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| kamui | I assume thats a bad sign | 22:09 |
| kamui | meaning I aint bootin into the new kernel | 22:09 |
| kamui | but the package otherwise did install | 22:10 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: If you're using grub... you'll have to make sure grub is updated properly. Know vi ? | 22:12 |
| kamui | yes | 22:12 |
| kamui | but I don't even see a grub.cfg menu.lst, OR the grub.d in etc from grub2 | 22:13 |
| kamui | and it only seems to have this grubby tool | 22:13 |
| kamui | which Im not familiar with | 22:13 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: Dunno. You switched to grub, so you bought that part. :-) | 22:13 |
| gabrbedd | meego's default is extlinux, and I've never had trouble isntalling a kernel with it. | 22:14 |
| piggz | are there any repositories i can add to meego to get gcompris, and maybe some other kids software? | 22:14 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: My guess is that you need to mount the partition with grub and edit it. | 22:15 |
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| kamui | gabrbedd, so | 22:15 |
| kamui | having rpm'd it | 22:16 |
| kamui | the grubby error can probably be ignored? | 22:16 |
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| kamui | that was the only verbose output from Uvh | 22:16 |
| gabrbedd | kammui: yymv. | 22:16 |
| pixelgeek1 | piggz: gcompris should be in the netbook repo. | 22:16 |
| kamui | ok, well, Ill give it a shot, worst case scenario I boot up again with the installer | 22:16 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: You at least didn't /delete/ your old kernel, so it's probably still bootabl. | 22:16 |
| piggz | pixelgeek1: its not showing up in any lists...im running the latest 1.1.99 image | 22:17 |
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| kamui | gabrbedd, no luck, but it did boot back into 2.6.37 | 22:17 |
| kamui | how do I use extlinux | 22:18 |
| kamui | never even heard of it | 22:18 |
| kamui | ha! | 22:19 |
| kamui | it looks just like the lilo config | 22:19 |
| kamui | /boot/extlinux/extlinux.cfg | 22:19 |
| kamui | :) | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | kamui: It's part of the syslinux/isolinux project. | 22:19 |
| kamui | im just gonna change the values, do you install it by running the command after? | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | yep. that's the files. | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | Add a second section. | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | If extlinux is installed in your MBR, and the boot partition is ext3, and the boot partition is the only one with the 'boot' flag set in your partition table... | 22:20 |
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| gabrbedd | THEN you're good to go. | 22:20 |
| gabrbedd | Installer does this for you, so that may be the path of least resistance. :-) | 22:21 |
| kamui | im making the new entry as we speak | 22:21 |
| kamui | also, fixed the menu to prompt now and set the timeout to 10 seconds instead of 1 | 22:21 |
| kamui | probably also why the bootmenu isn't working :) | 22:22 |
| gabrbedd | boot menu is hidden/autoboot by default. | 22:22 |
| piggz | pixelgeek1: i can find it in the 1.0 and 1.1 netbook repos, but not 1.2 :/ | 22:22 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: good luck. :-) | 22:23 |
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| kamui | thanks for all the help man | 22:25 |
| kamui | looks like the config file works btw, just need to get the kernel right | 22:25 |
| kamui | :) | 22:25 |
| kamui | forgot to make the symlink in extlinux | 22:27 |
| kamui | works broski! touchscreen active! | 22:28 |
| kamui | :) | 22:28 |
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| renato | his guys is possible on the .spec file, identify if the packages is building on Meego 1.2, 1.1, etc.. | 22:53 |
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| gabrbedd | kamui: Great! Glad you got it working! | 23:34 |
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| gabrbedd | renato: I don't think so. Maybe look for macros in /usr/lib/rpm/macros/ and/or /etc/rpm/ -- but I don't think one exists with an version indication. | 23:36 |
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| kamui | thanks a ton for the help gabrbedd | 23:41 |
| kamui | btw gabrbedd is the tablet edition the only edition with the soft keyboard? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | no kamui, the handset build also has one afaik | 23:43 |
| kamui | hey lcuk | 23:43 |
| lcuk | \o | 23:44 |
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