IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2011-05-11

Stskeepsthiago_home: thanks00:00
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arfollwould people be interested on a BOF about XBMC on MeeGo?00:13
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lbtarfoll: depends on the demo media00:17
alteregoThe MeeGo UX based QML dialer prototype I'm mocking up doesn't look nearly as impressive as I thought it would.00:18
arfolllbt, what do you mean by demo media?00:18
alteregoWell, I actually think my one looks more attractive ..00:18
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Stskeepsalterego: good for feedback00:18
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arfollyou'd like to see xbmc run on different devices?00:18
dm8tbralterego: without seeing it - needs more cowbell!!11!!00:19
alteregoHeh00:19
thiago_homeStskeeps: sent, with time suggestion00:19
thiago_homearfoll: talk to dcarr too, as he's presenting http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/qtmediahub-implementation-xbmc-inspired-media-player-qml00:19
lbtarfoll: *g* nm00:20
alteregoIf by cowbell you mean ring tone, then yes. ... Hey, I get put my pants on one leg at a time like all of you, the difference is, afterwards I make gold star QML dialer interfaces.00:20
arfollthiago_home, yeah i spoke with him at MWC, but that's fairly different if not completely irrelevant to XBMC on Meego00:20
arfollapart from the the fact it looks like it00:20
arfollthe idea was to talk more about XBMC in meego 1.2 TV and how we can port it to other verticals00:21
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thiago_homearfoll: ok00:22
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kkalskype bought by microsoft. Does that concern meegoers?00:25
alteregoThere's some really cool meego tablet concepts: http://gdgtgw.com/images/medium/meego-slate-evolve.jpg00:26
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thiago_homekkal: it concerns me as a skype user00:28
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GAN900kkal, we shouldn't have been using a proprietary service like that in the first place, clearly. *g*00:43
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alteregoI've kind of decided the meego ux is sort of boring.00:45
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gabrbeddalterego: Yeah, it needs more cowbell.00:48
gabrbeddand bacon.00:48
alteregogabrbedd: you pinged me last night, what's up?00:48
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gabrbeddalterego: you had said you were going to bed about 3 or 4 times.  I was just seeing if you did.  :-)00:49
alteregoHahah00:50
alteregoFair enough00:50
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gabrbedd:-)00:51
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berndhsif meego us had free beer, it would be much more popular00:56
* gabrbedd writes a free beer panel00:57
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gabrbedd"Go 0.5 miles and turn LEFT for FREE BEER"01:03
gabrbedd"Go an additional 0.25 miles for DOLLAR BEERS"01:03
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sabotagedmb:02:33
sabotageoops, my bad02:34
sabotagetab complete error :P02:34
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npmre:  <arfoll> would people be interested on a BOF about XBMC on MeeGo? -- YES02:47
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npmbtw is there some special trick to getting qtmultimediakit qml video player working in meego 1.202:49
npmi seem to see the same problems i do w/ the tablet-ux video and music players02:50
npmwhich is that it doesn't play... but moving the cue point gives 'QDBusPlayerControl::position():  0 '02:50
berndhsthere is a meego 1.2 ?02:50
npm=http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest-testing-1.2/repos/oss/ia32/packages02:51
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npmneways and when it starts i see 'QDBusPlayerControl::QDBusPlayerControl() '02:52
npmbut nothing starts playing02:52
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berndhsI can't figure out what is the difference between latest, latest-testing, latest-1.2 and all the rest02:55
npmlatest is now 1.302:55
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berndhsI know it is all parallellism at its finest02:55
berndhsthe 1.2.80 stuff is 1.3, but really early versions02:56
npmnot parallel enough for lenovo: http://blog.canonical.com/?p=574 :-(02:56
npm(good for linux tho)02:56
berndhspre-installed with Ubu 10.0, an outdated version :)02:57
berndhs10.10 rather02:58
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iekkumorning07:24
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pixelgeekgood night...07:34
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chouchouneA friend of mine which went to "Solution Linux" and saw Intel's Meego stand told me that there would be an Intel Appup event about Meego in june in Paris11:11
chouchouneany information about this ?11:12
Stskeepscheck the appup sites?11:12
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arfollchouchoune, appdeveloper.intel.com/events - hurry it's tommorow11:13
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thiagotomorrow's not June11:13
chouchounearfoll: no I'm not speaking of this11:13
chouchouneI can't go tomorrow11:13
chouchounebut someone from Intel told him that there would be something in June11:13
arfollsays may12, theres one in june too11:14
chouchouneok, "Coming doon"11:14
chouchounethanks11:14
arfollthiago, you had me worried on the month...11:14
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chouchouneI'm not leaving in Paris so it's a bit difficult for tomorrow ;)11:14
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thiagoarfoll: thought you had missed the meegoconf? :-)11:15
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* arfoll arghhh11:15
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clbrlbt: I wrote on the mailing that I'd volunteer to take care of the wiki reorganization. should I organize something in advance apart from planning? (I'll be in SF on friday, 19th, so I'll be able to buy some stickies or whatever)11:53
lbtclbr: I think it makes sense to prepare11:54
lbtscoping out a room, materials (printer, paper etc)11:55
lbtalso planning targetted activities (maybe wait to schedule them)11:55
clbrlbt: who should I contact for this?11:55
lbtmailing list11:55
lbtDawn, Amy etc11:56
lbtdneary too of course ...11:56
dnearylbt?11:57
dnearyclbr, The question is: what infrastructure do you need?11:57
* lbt introduces dave to the backlog :)11:57
dnearyIf you want (say) a box of magnets & a big metal wall, that'll be hard to do11:57
* lbt will bring wool11:57
dnearyIf you want drawing pins & a cork wall, also11:57
lbtaw11:58
clbrdneary: I'd say a fast printer, paper, and a wall11:58
dnearyBut if we can get by with sellotape & sticky notes...11:58
dnearyclbr, A fast printer, you say? ...11:58
dnearyPaper & a wall should be easy11:58
dnearyPrinter not so much11:58
dnearyWe should ask Amy11:58
clbrI'll write up a more detailled plan later today. I think more of a pass-by-thing than a scheduled session, as we should have lot's of input.11:59
dnearyI have no power & budget11:59
dnearyYes - a detailed plan with a list of requirements is a prerequisite. And if there is a budget requirement it is possible that the answer will be no.11:59
dnearyBut that's not my decision to make11:59
dnearyBut I am all for the idea & we'll see what can be done12:00
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clbrwe'll see, great12:00
clbrthx so far12:00
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achipadon't tell me meego core 1.1 has qt 4.7.0...13:44
Stskeepsonly one available there, i think13:44
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achipaduh, and it doesn't even have the qtquickcompat trick of the N900, so have to redo everything with import Qt4.7... ugh13:51
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lbtericlr: ping14:31
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ericlrlbt: pong14:52
lbthttps://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16881#c1714:53
MeeGoBotBug 16881 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, ASSI, Doesn't comment or action bugs14:53
lbtbeen watching?14:53
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ericlrlbt: yes, all the time ;)14:56
lbtericlr: so ... can you be around a bit over the next 20min14:56
lbtand we'll run a full demo14:56
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ericlryes I'm here14:57
ericlrcool14:57
lbtSage: you too?14:57
ericlrdo you need me to test/push anything to obs for testing?14:57
lbtthen we can push it to DE14:57
ericlrperfect!14:58
lbtcan you review this: http://pastie.org/188867214:59
lbtread it as pseudo-code and consider the logic14:59
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lbtSage: you too15:00
Sageo/15:00
Sagearchs is missing armv8el15:01
Sageah, for 1.115:01
lbtSage: that is 2 errors :)15:01
lbtcould explain why check_package_built_at_source is not answering yes (but we ignore it for now)15:03
phaeronme ?15:04
ericlrlogic seems fine from bug pov though you might want an extra check to comment only if the bug is already set as FIXED and/or if the bug is resolved as something else than FIXED or verified or closed15:04
lbtericlr: OK15:05
phaeronericlr: it might not be set as FIXED beforehand , because nothing does so currently , right ?15:05
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lbtwas just looking at that15:05
lbtso it comments no matter what when :Testing SR mentions a bug15:06
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ericlrphareon: I'd like to get status changed to resolved FIXED automatically15:06
phaeronericlr: ok at what stage ?15:06
phaeronwhich step :)15:06
lbtericlr:  it sets (whithout checking) to FIXED/RESOLVED when the SR is to :Trunk15:06
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phaeronyep15:07
ericlrlbt: yes that's good15:07
lbtline ~4115:07
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* Sage is not familiar enough with Ruby to say much about that more :/15:08
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SageI probably should do some Ruby stuff to get more familiar with the syntax.15:09
ericlrbut when you submit request you should have a failure if 1 - no bug/feature change is present in the changelog 2 - the bug/feature is already in Verified/Closed or Duplicate/invalid etc status eg: anything else but opened or fixed15:09
lbtSage: meh ... treat it as pseudo-code15:09
lbtoh yeah the only crap bit is the _if block15:09
ericlrlbt: yes, it works :P15:09
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lbtfirst line is true, 2nd is false... eww15:10
ericlrI can pseudo read pseudo code 8-)15:10
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lbt*g*15:12
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ericlrlbt: so the lack of check when SR is to :Trunk is intentional?15:20
ericlrlbt: or am I asking too much?15:21
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lbtericlr: probably need to take http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#Bug_Lifecycle15:22
lbtand expand step 515:22
ericlrlbt: ok, I'll try to be explicit...15:23
lbtthere is an 'if' in that line ... does it apply to (records acceptance with comment and bug status is automatically changed to FIXED) or just (bug status is automatically changed to FIXED)15:23
lbtthanks - we need to convert these statements into code now ... so we need to be more nit-picky :)15:24
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ericlrlbt: IMHO, if bug status else than new, assigned, need_info, reopened, waiting for upstream  or resolution else than fixed then the request MUST fail15:30
ericlrlbt: if changelog doesn't contain "fixes bmc #1234;" request also fails15:31
lbtericlr: now I agree... but Sage and co aren't ready yet15:31
Sage:nod:15:32
Sagenot yet :)15:32
ericlrehe :)15:32
lbtwe have a 'check' called "check_mentions_bug"15:33
lbtbut not implemented yet15:33
ericlrok15:33
lbtadd to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#BOSS_Checks on the same page15:34
lbtwhen you edit point 5 ;)15:34
ericlrlbt: trying to log into the wiki and it fails… Dunno what's wrong...15:35
ericlraaahhh, now I'm in15:36
lbtphew15:37
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arfolllbt, on the subject of SRs could something be done to automatically reject all SRs from packages that don't build?15:38
lbtyou mean a test like check_package_built_at_source ?  http://pastie.org/1888672  line 7615:39
lbtarfoll: note that that's a complex bit of specification when you get down to it15:40
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Venemo_N900alterego, ping15:41
alteregoHello15:41
lbta package that builds against Debian5/arm5  isn't much use on x86_64/MeeGo15:41
alteregoMake it quick, gotta head off in 20 minutes :P15:41
alteregoFinal meeting for my now finished contract.15:41
alteregoSystem has been deployed, final invoice written.15:41
* alterego starts quaking.15:41
lbtarfoll: also... what if it builds against 1 of 2 targets15:41
lbtmaybe the other is a fail or a disable?15:42
arfolllbt, in that case those targets should be disabled15:42
lbtis it supposed to be disabled (ie check pkgdb/architecture DB for targets)15:42
lbtso clearly we're doing it :)15:42
lbtbut as we move on we get more interesting questions and then move to "what's the authoritative source" ... ie a pkgDB (REVS) ... and who manages it15:43
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alteregoVenemo_N900: ?15:44
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ericlrlbt: ok I appended details to 2 for changelog entry and 6, 7 are added to give needed granularity on the checks15:45
ericlrlbt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#Bug_Lifecycle15:45
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lbtta - and can you add to checks if you want more there15:47
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lbtoh, it's in 215:47
lbtprobably should be in both :)15:47
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ericlrlbt: yes, I think that the check could be returned to the request submitter explaining that whether changelog misses bug/feat reference and secondly bug/feat isn't in expected status/resolution?15:50
ericlrlbt: does it sound realistic?15:51
ericlrI mean the console msg?15:51
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lbtyes15:51
lbtthe first part is easy15:51
ericlrit needs to be friendly ;)15:51
lbtthe 2nd ....15:51
ericlr2nd is harder?15:52
ericlreventually we could limit expected status to opened (new, assigned, needinfo, reopened & waiting) if this is easier?15:53
ericlrthough I think practically if developer wants to manually set bug to fixed the machinery shouldn't prevent15:53
ericlrlbt: oh, BRB...15:54
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phaeronericlr: so at least we agree that v0.1 is ok15:54
phaeronbleh15:54
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thiagoarfoll: maybe you want to talk to these guys now: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/bof-media-center-meego15:55
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arfollthiago, thanks for the link, i will15:56
Venemo_N900alterego, are you familiar with how to translate a qt app?16:00
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* CosmoHill 's mirror of choice seems to be corrupted16:14
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icqhey guys16:19
icqdo you know how can I install the gstreamer stuff to play mp3s?16:19
icqwhich repo should I add?16:20
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tomeuicq: if you end up finding a repo, please update the wiki :) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_FAQ#How_do_I_install_additional_codecs_.28MP3.2C_etc..2916:26
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icqtomeu, I wonder if the fedora ones would work16:27
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tomeuworth trying16:30
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* CosmoHill got a quad core computer for ÂŁ20 :D17:32
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berndhsdoes it work ?17:34
CosmoHillyeah17:34
CosmoHillit came with the worst dual core intel celeron there was and I had been given a Q6600 a few months ago17:34
berndhsis it stolen ?17:35
CosmoHillnope, mate's old family pc17:35
berndhsah17:35
CosmoHillhttp://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=486333#post486333 << specs17:35
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CosmoHillfunny enough my last desktop PC was also there old family PC that they just gave to me17:37
CosmoHillone thing that really annoys me about computer makers is that they make a spec that is "vista / 7 compatable" and then go below that17:37
CosmoHillthe computer has 1GB of RAM which is Vista compatible but 256MB of that is used by the onboard graphics17:37
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CosmoHillkinda like saying a computer is MeeGo compatible because it has an Intel HD onboard graphics card but selling it with a nVidia PCI-E graphics card. Whilst technically compatible it's not really what was inteded17:40
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Actually... are those even compatible??  I've had a hell of a time trying to make linux work on a dual-mode graphics board.17:49
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CosmoHillon a desktop, if you install PCI-E graphics it disabled the onboard graphics17:51
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CosmoHillyou talking about laptops with 2 graphics chips?17:51
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berndhswhy does it disable the onboard ? so you can't have a dual-head desktop without buying another graphics card ?17:54
gabrbeddCosmoHill: Yeah.17:55
CosmoHillI thought all motherboards disabled the onboard graphics when an add-on card is avaiable17:55
CosmoHillmy desktop is a retard, you have a choice of "disabled" or 25% system RAM17:55
berndhsyes mine does that, I'm just wondering why17:55
gabrbeddCosmoHill: I dunno... never had the luxury.  But I think it's generally an option to disable the on-board.17:56
CosmoHillfor the record, nearly all my hardware is second hand / freebies17:56
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CosmoHillmy old desktop with AGP disabled the onboard graphics when using a new graphics card17:57
CosmoHillbut it doesn't disable the audio or NIC when a PCI sound card / NIC is added17:58
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CosmoHillhey TSCHAKeee17:59
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Most of my stuff is 2nd-hand as well. :-)17:59
TSCHAKeeehey17:59
berndhsa lot of my stuff is composed of old dead machines18:00
CosmoHilltbh I need to go down the dump and get rid of a lot of stuff18:00
CosmoHillexcluding my cluster I think I'm in the teens18:00
CosmoHillthere's 10 in sight from my desk18:01
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ScriptRipperping lbt18:34
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lbtScriptRipper: pong18:39
lbtso.. we are aiming to do a BOSS 0,2 release RSN18:39
ScriptRipperlbt, can you help me with some LDAP config issue ?18:41
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alteregoCan anyone tell me where the graphics are for meego ux components.19:26
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gabrbeddalterego: You mean like PNG's and SVG's ?19:34
alteregoYeah, found 'em19:34
alteregoSilly numbered directories under /usr/share/thtmes/19:35
alterego~themes19:35
gabrbeddalterego: yep.19:35
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gabrbeddalterego: Looks like the folder under themes/ is determined by the gconf key /meego/ux/theme19:36
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alteregoOkay, thanks :)19:38
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alteregoAnyone know how to get icons from the theme?19:43
alterego"image://themedimage/icons/*" isn't working for me :/19:43
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alteregoOh, different to looking for images ..19:47
* alterego wishes someone would actually document meego-ux-components ..19:47
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Stskeepsalterego: a lot of stuff on wiki i think, and a style doc exists19:52
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npmgoogle io talking about angry birds on the web right now19:56
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npmhttp://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html19:58
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lbtthiago: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/call-session-proposals20:00
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dm8tbrwmarone__: it remains to be seen if MeeGo will fare _that_ much better...20:02
dm8tbr*cough* tablet-ux *cough* reveal mentality *cough*20:02
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lbtdm8tbr: :)20:02
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dm8tbrand don't get me started on my pet peeve: compliance - both projects have a lot of homework there20:04
alteregoCan't seem to find anything on image://systemicon20:04
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CosmoHillsweet, Reading vs Cardiff on sky sports :D20:40
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RST38hWho are these two guys? Are they boxers? =)20:42
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CosmoHillhehe, football teams20:42
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berndhs something left to play for ?20:44
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CosmoHillwe play two matches, one at each ground, winner gets promoted20:44
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berndhsah interesting for real20:45
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GAN900You know why they have football riots, right?20:47
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CosmoHillcos people take sport to seriously?20:47
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RST38hNo, because people need SOME reason to riot.20:47
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CosmoHillI'm a student, I already got reasons20:48
GAN900No, because the game's so boring you need something to fill time with. :P20:48
RST38hGAN: Why ain't there golf and baseball riots then?20:48
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berndhsrhythmic gymnatics riots, figure skating riots,...20:49
StskeepsRST38h: Tiger Woods was a one-man riot20:49
Stskeeps:P20:49
gabrbeddRST38h: There are baseball riots in Boston.20:49
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berndhshow violent are cricket riots ?20:50
RST38hgabrbedd: ah, the city never fails to deliver20:52
RST38hchess riots would be cute20:52
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timakimahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing not necessarily20:53
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GAN900RST38h, because we're not Europeans. :P20:54
GAN900gabrbedd, more Philly than Boston.20:54
berndhsone of the most fun concepts are the pacifist peace riots20:55
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RST38hemo vs. goths21:09
RST38h(canvas, paint, makeup)21:10
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gandhijeehey quick question, how do i get rpmbuild to ignore whitespace ?? i tried %patch -p1 -l and that doesn't work21:23
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arfollgandhijee, use a .rpmlintrc file with the ignores you want if you really can't fix the error/warning21:26
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gandhijeearfoll: these are for some bad patches...  it fails to apply the patch right now21:27
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gandhijeei can apply them by hand using patch -p1 -l < PATCHNAME21:27
arfollgandhijee, damn i read rpmlint not rpmbuild sorry - ignore all my comments21:28
arfollmust be getting late21:28
gandhijeeits cool21:28
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gandhijeei had some guy from the fedora room trolling me insisting that -w is a valid option for rpmbuild21:28
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thiago_homeDawnFoster: ping22:42
thiago_homeDawnFoster: will we have a TSG meeting in 10 hours?22:42
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thiago_homeDawnFoster: the agenda says "TBD" and "AOB" for now22:42
Stskeepswasn't it first on 18th?22:45
Stskeepsor something like that22:45
Stskeeps(19th, i guess..)22:45
Stskeepsgiven the release of 1.222:45
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alteregoAlso .. When will rooms be sorted for conf?22:53
alteregoI was under the impression we'd get an email about room sharing22:53
npmhere have meego 1.2 x86 binary: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/ytapi-jsonviewer22:56
npm(wondering if that tiny lil binary actually has all the stuff needed to run)22:57
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npmhedges bets by doing qml programming while watching google IO talking about andrdoid UI "fragments" to support difft screen sizes23:00
lbtthiago_home: any info about the event layout yet? I need to arrange to meet someone ... is there a 'meeting point' ?23:01
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Stskeepslbt: hacker's loungue, maybe23:02
thiago_homeStskeeps: oops, tomorrow isn't the 19th23:02
thiago_homemy bad23:02
thiago_homelbt: the map of the hyatt is on the wiki23:02
thiago_homethere are several floors23:02
thiago_homeI recommend the café on the third floor23:02
lbtStskeeps: Head of AppUp ... maybe not ... :)23:03
lbtif he actually *saw* us...23:03
GAN900lbt, over by the bathrooms, then?23:03
lbtthiago_home: thanks23:04
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Hyatt_Space_details23:04
DawnFosterthiago_home: no TSG meeting today23:04
DawnFosterwe don't really have any agenda items - we'll pick back up after the conference23:05
DawnFosterI updated the TSG page on the wiki23:05
Stskeepsany news on the updated governance?23:06
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DawnFosterwe're letting things settle down a little more before updating governance23:06
Stskeeps:nod:23:06
DawnFosterpeople are still shuffling jobs23:06
RST38hnpm: Android does not automatically adjust to the screen size?23:07
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Stskeepsgood for my talk, i don't have to do any changes because of changed governance then ;)23:07
* Stskeeps can enjoy nice calm holiday then23:07
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miherochange of governance?23:09
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Stskeepsi guess updated is more accurate23:09
miheromeaning what, seems that i have missed something23:10
GAN900mihero, Elopocalypse.23:11
thiago_homethat was hard to miss23:12
miheroah, I thought something more resent23:12
Stskeepsmihero: long story short many people have changed jobs/left their positions/new people in charge of some areas/new priorities by some companies, so the governance pages on meego.com is really out of date :)23:12
GAN900mihero, nope, still blood on the floor from February.23:12
miheroI noticed that one for sure23:12
GAN900Has anybody noted the fact on the page?23:12
miheroah, ok23:12
GAN900Or does it still pretend to be up-to-date?23:13
npmRST38h: no. you have to write app using fragments api23:13
* mikhas reckons a news entry such as "An update from Ryan: This page is NOT up to date!"23:14
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mikhasStskeeps, it doesn't help when now ex-Nokias dont/cant read their emails to hand over stuff properly23:15
Stskeepsmikhas: yeah.. that's where bug triaging comes in23:15
npmRST38h: watch it yerself :-) http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html23:16
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Stskeepsmikhas: that's why it's sometimes good to keep a 'company' mail and a 'open particiption' email :P23:18
mikhasyup23:18
mikhasor rather, one stable email account23:19
mikhastoo bad if you work for companies you demand you to use certain email addresses, and make a fuzz about contributions in your spare time23:19
mikhas*that demand you to ...23:20
alteregoWere Nokia such a company?23:20
alteregos/Were/Are/Will be/ :)23:20
smokumikhas, if you work for a company there is no 'spare time work' unless your company explicitly allows for it23:20
mikeleibmikhas: hah.  it's more like the stupid exchange server transposes spaces and tabs and mangles your patches23:20
mikhassmoku, yup, that kind of crap23:21
lbtsmoku: depends what regime you live in23:21
mikhasand I bet it's not overtime, either23:21
smokulbt, most western culture countries have these laws23:21
mikhaslbt, it's a complex legal issue, copyright and such stuff - does the employee use knowledge he gained during company times in his hobby projects?23:22
lbtsmoku: not by default in the UK AFAIK23:22
lbtmikhas: vice-versa23:22
mikeleiband your patches get rejected and you get ridiculed in public23:22
mikhaslbt, I know, but try to explain *that*23:22
smokulbt, some might say UK is not western culture ;-)23:22
lbtit's insane... "5 years experience required"23:22
lbtrofl23:22
lbtsmoku: indeed23:23
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RST38hStskeeps: What is the problem?Unicode is supposed to have a character for the tombstone, just start adding those to people names on that page!23:23
mikhasmikeleib, mean. what about sending encrypted patches :-D23:23
smokulbt, or should I say - roman culture.  the resistance for the empire was very strong. :)23:23
lbtsmoku: it's mainly US law though23:23
lbtand anywhere the US writes the law23:23
mikeleibmikhas: encrypted patches to an open source project??? who would be recipient ??23:23
lbtlike EU23:23
lbtand australia23:23
mikeleibmikhas: defeats purpose of sending patches to oss project23:24
smokuright. (c) law was copy-pasted here ;-)23:25
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mikhasmikeleib, if one were crazy enough one could set up the project's ML to decode it ... but man, only to defeat whitespace mangling, hehe23:26
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thiago_homemikeleib: oh, something occurred to me about x32:23:28
thiago_homemikeleib: maybe we should bring back the FAR pointers :-)23:28
mikeleib;/23:28
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gabrbeddthiago_home: so, what's the hungarian notation for a long far pointer to a null-terminated wide-character string?23:44
thiago_homelpwsz I guess23:46
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w00t_hungarian notation makes me a sad panda23:46
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thiago_homethe "lp" in Windows API is actually from far pointers23:46
w00t_apart from duck typed languages23:46
gabrbeddhrm... i expected flpwsz23:47
thiago_homelpwsz or lpwcsz23:47
thiago_homegabrbedd: a pointer can't be long23:47
thiago_homeit can be near or far only23:47
thiago_homeso the "l" already stands for far23:47
gabrbeddah23:48
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gabrbedda long pointer (erm, no)... in a memory far, far away...23:48
gabrbeddw00t_: Yes, I too dislike HN.  About the only one I do is "_" to the front of member variables.23:49
thiago_homehttp://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/declarations.html23:49
thiago_homelong long ago; galaxy * far * far away;23:50
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gabrbeddthiago_home: LOL, those are great!23:50
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* thiago_home is still trying to insert "long long ago" in his code somewhere23:51
w00t_thiago_home: QElapsedTimer would have been a great opportunity for that23:52
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