| * Stskeeps ponders idly why Hilton LAX is following him on twitter. | 00:00 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, so, just like the rest of openness and infinity, how do you sell that without specifying features and use cases? | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | the indamixx meego tablet has a real use case for mobile musicians | 00:02 |
| lcuk | and ontop of that it can do everything else! | 00:02 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Thanks! I'll stock up on coffee :-) (2AM) | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I am simply impressed you have a real product from meego to a real audience | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news | 00:03 |
| lcuk | and highlighting that should hopefully give others incentives :) | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | "More like ceoStephenElop: PeterMeeGo | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | Peter Schneider" | 00:03 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, where is that line from? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | Peter has not tweeted in a while | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://twitter.com/ceoStephenElop had it for a sec :P | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | heh | 00:05 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: :-) thanks. | 00:05 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: If I had my way, it wouldn't even be announced, yet. | 00:06 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Hopefully, there's other products still under the radar. Ones that will be revealed around MeeGoCofn. | 00:06 |
| akk | A MeeGoCoffin! connectivity from the beyond! | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | akk: MeeGo is already a zombie os | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | so why not ;) | 00:08 |
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| GAN900 | Maybe LG will jumpstart something. | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise this is all looking a bit academic. :P | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, from your post "upgrade-able and backwards compatible" | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | academic is paper prototypes | 00:16 |
| lcuk | are the handset builds upgradable? | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | meego's a -little- further ahead than that | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: in sense of 'able to install new build' | 00:16 |
| lcuk | without having to redo all data | 00:17 |
| lcuk | ? | 00:17 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: hahaha (re: peter) | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | I saw the touchscreen checkin system on the wall at the doctors being taught to be used by an old dude today | 00:18 |
| lcuk | he will need same instructions next time no doubt | 00:19 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Stskeeps: Hey, vampires are all the rage these days. | 00:19 |
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| maour | is there any icon/template/graphical stuff for developing apps for MeeGo ? | 00:23 |
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| maour | ui template .. | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | maour: might be able to get some basics from the theme, it has a psd | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | meego.gitorious.org, click meego ux | 00:24 |
| maour | nice | 00:24 |
| maour | will try | 00:24 |
| lcuk | maour, what kind of things are you thinking? | 00:25 |
| lcuk | and are you developing in qt? | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you know how usable the galaxy tab got to? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | one of my mates was playing on one over the weekend | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | no, ask lardman/lilstevie | 00:26 |
| lcuk | and it has a very reasonable ux | 00:26 |
| jefferai | Hi, for some reason it says I'm banned from #meego-dev, but I've never been on there before | 00:26 |
| lcuk | but like most similar, awash with icons | 00:26 |
| DawnFoster | jefferai: we shut down meego-dev | 00:27 |
| DawnFoster | most developer discussions happen here | 00:27 |
| jefferai | Ah, ok | 00:27 |
| lcuk | however, DawnFoster is opening #meego-bake in its place :P | 00:27 |
| DawnFoster | or meego-sdk if you are working on sdk stuff | 00:27 |
| maour | lcuk: some icons for example for back / forward / home / .. stuffs like this http://glyphish.com/ | 00:27 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: ha! :) | 00:27 |
| jefferai | I'm trying to set up a development environment -- I've fixed some bugs with meego-sdk-update-target, but now it's having trouble at a step where it runs mad-admin create | 00:27 |
| maour | lcuk: yes, i'm using QML | 00:27 |
| jefferai | it uses the wrong file and so then says it cannot find the toolchain file | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | maour, if you use meego iconography embedded in your app, are you sure it is then deployable on other oses? | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | ie, if you install the same qml app onto maemo or windows or something | 00:28 |
| maour | lcuk: nope ! :p | 00:29 |
| jefferai | it says: Can not find '/usr/lib64/madde/linux-x86_64/cache/meego-1.2-sdk-ia32-toolchain-1.0-linux_x86_64.tar.gz' -- no such file. | 00:29 |
| lcuk | I noticed that problem after using a specific font only available on specific os | 00:29 |
| jefferai | it's correct -- that 1.0 in there should be 1.2 | 00:29 |
| maour | lcuk: just wanted to know if there is any and take a look on them | 00:29 |
| jefferai | but I'm not really sure where to go about fixing this problem | 00:30 |
| alterego | Fonts annoy me, | 00:30 |
| alterego | Why can't we just have one | 00:30 |
| alterego | "monospace" :P | 00:30 |
| maour | lcuk: maybe using different Visual on my App | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | alterego, :) start to see everything in your own handwriting | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | alterego, philistine. | 00:31 |
| GAN900 | (also: that's why engineers aren't allowed to do design) | 00:31 |
| alterego | :) | 00:32 |
| berndhs | a design by an egineer might actually work, we can't have that in the design world | 00:32 |
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| alterego | Heh | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | looking at: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status#DE_N900_feature_status_template_.28Under_construction.29 | 00:38 |
| lcuk | it looks manually generated each day | 00:39 |
| lcuk | err week | 00:39 |
| alterego | lcuk: you could have posted that in -handset as well :P | 00:40 |
| alterego | If I wasn't doing a final flick through IRC I would have missed that gem :) | 00:40 |
| lcuk | well sure alterego, #meego-handset has been a hive of activity this evening | 00:41 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 00:41 |
| alterego | :) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | are these side channels logged? | 00:41 |
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| __key__ | sup | 00:42 |
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| alterego | lcuk: doesn't look like it | 00:43 |
| alterego | Maybe talk to Stskeeps? | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug if it's note, assign to me | 00:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I might actually file a bug to get searchable logs | 00:44 |
| alterego | Are all the logs under mg.pov.lt? | 00:44 |
| lcuk | rather than just the logs | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | no | 00:44 |
| alterego | Anyway ... bedtime :D | 00:44 |
| lcuk | \o | 00:44 |
| lcuk | for the third time | 00:44 |
| lcuk | the reason I pasted the status thing for n900-de | 00:45 |
| lcuk | is that there is a bug hunting fixing drive on | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | now I might try and take a peek at: Camera (meegocamera) Still image capture | 00:46 |
| lcuk | tomorrow | 00:46 |
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| vgrade | hey Stskeeps, nice pics in that presentation :) | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: i do credit you, not sure if it's visible on video | 00:48 |
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| merlin1991 | maybe it's obvious, but what size of an sd card would you suggest to use for playing around with the n900-de version? | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | merlin1991: 4gb or bigger, class 6 | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | or higher | 00:49 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, just read the pdf so far, thanks for the mention | 00:50 |
| lcuk | hey vgrade \o | 00:50 |
| vgrade | lcuk, evening | 00:50 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, I wish I could be showing the Tegra off in Sf | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | were you going to sf? | 00:51 |
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| vgrade | No, it clashes with some family stuff | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:51 |
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| vgrade | If you see anyone from nVidia please send them my way | 00:52 |
| lcuk | cargo or passenger class? | 00:53 |
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| vgrade | : | 00:59 |
| vgrade | :) | 00:59 |
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| * lcuk half expected "upload source" link on the build.pub.meego.com portal for some reason | 01:03 | |
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| lbt | lcuk: there is one | 01:13 |
| * TSCHAKeee uploaded his first bit of stuff to OBS that way | 01:13 | |
| TSCHAKeee | before I installed osc | 01:13 |
| lcuk | I found it lbt, creating a new package now to follow around | 01:13 |
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| RodrigoPadula | hello guys, how can I request the creation of a new maillist in the meego infra / | 04:34 |
| RodrigoPadula | ? | 04:34 |
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| berndhs | RodrigoPadula: you can ask in the meego-community mailing list | 04:38 |
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| RodrigoPadula | berndhs, there is the best option ? | 04:43 |
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| berndhs | i dont know, I just see these "can we have a new mailing list" mails go by about once a week there :) | 04:43 |
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| berndhs | RodrigoPadula: what's it for ? | 04:47 |
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| RodrigoPadula | for our pt_BR translation team | 04:50 |
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| RodrigoPadula | and a second one for meego related discussions in pt_BR | 04:51 |
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| berndhs | I predict that some people will say you can use the MeeGo-il10n list :) | 04:52 |
| berndhs | don't know if that makes any sense or not, but some people will say it | 04:52 |
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| berndhs | you've looked at this page http://lists.meego.com/mailman/listinfo ? | 04:54 |
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| RodrigoPadula | yes, but I didnt find the lists admin email | 05:08 |
| RodrigoPadula | the list il10n is only for emails in english | 05:08 |
| RodrigoPadula | we need a list to discuss in the local language | 05:08 |
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| berndhs | right, that was my guess | 05:09 |
| RodrigoPadula | berndhs, anyway, thanks, I will try to contact someone there | 05:09 |
| RodrigoPadula | the language is a barrier | 05:09 |
| berndhs | meego-community is the appropriate place to ask | 05:09 |
| RodrigoPadula | so we need to create local infra to keep non english speakers involved | 05:09 |
| berndhs | I think it makes sense to have a new list, but I don't really count :) | 05:09 |
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| RodrigoPadula | yes, I will send one message now | 05:09 |
| RodrigoPadula | ;-) | 05:10 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:57 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:08 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hi! I'm trying to build syncevolution from sources. Can someone please help me? What are the parameters I should pass to configure? | 09:21 |
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| bkalinga | are there any examples that comes with MeeGo SDK? | 10:35 |
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| vvaltone | bkalinga, for MeeGo ux applications? | 10:46 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:00 |
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| bkalinga | vvaltone: i have Meego Handset UX sdk | 11:02 |
| bkalinga | could you please point me where to look at for examples along with source code | 11:02 |
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| bkalinga | application output from qt creator when application launched on MeeGo Qemu | 11:36 |
| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/8FJ5cGEj | 11:36 |
| bkalinga | i see few errors and skip statement | 11:37 |
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| bkalinga | does it mean something is missing in my setup or is it broken | 11:37 |
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| ScriptRipper | Moin | 11:59 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt, how far are you with the BOSS release cycle ? | 11:59 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: We have a static RC snapshot and we run Testing as a production deployment right now | 12:01 |
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| lbt | I think we need to be clearer about the split between BOSS and the process workers | 12:02 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: why do you ask ? | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: the mtf dep for maliit was gone wasn't it? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | or able to be, that is | 12:23 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, the framework can be compiled without LMT, yes | 12:24 |
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| mikhas | the keyboard itself still uses LMT, for its widgets and theming system | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:24 |
| mikhas | It's not an unrealistic goal to clean that up for MeeGo 1.3 | 12:25 |
| mikhas | it just ... takes time | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's a good keyboard (compared to HIM) so probably worth time | 12:25 |
| mikhas | more importantly, I've removed all LMT API from our API's | 12:25 |
| mikhas | it does not play out its full strength yet in MeeGo, which is sad | 12:26 |
| mikhas | haptic and tactile feedback, proper word engines (also for Chinese) ... | 12:26 |
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| mikhas | well, that's why I have a talk @ SF I guess ;-) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | i always wondered about the immersion player, why someone couldnt make a oss replacement | 12:27 |
| mikhas | so to make it a bit more clear: keyboard plugins can already get rid of LMT completely, with the framework version I pushed into MeeGo 1.2 | 12:27 |
| mikhas | I will have more news about that soonish, with a demo of course | 12:27 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, is it feasible or practical to consider qml based keyboard frontend itself? | 12:39 |
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| mikhas | lcuk, it does not really make sense, but yes, I have a QML keyboard here | 12:42 |
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| mikhas | the keyboard is not only UI you know ... and even the UI part: why give up something that is really fast these days? I'll stick with QGraphicsView, really. | 12:42 |
| lcuk | ++ | 12:42 |
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| bkalinga | when I try to run qml test application in MeeGo qemu ..it does not show anything... | 12:46 |
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| bkalinga | desired output is http://i54.tinypic.com/wjhxs8.png actual output coming is http://i56.tinypic.com/98zs0g.png | 12:46 |
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| bkalinga | can someone point out what could be the problem | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | Hello humans | 12:48 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, have you tried running it on device itself? | 12:49 |
| lcuk | hi RST38h \o | 12:49 |
| bkalinga | no | 12:49 |
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| bkalinga | on Qemu 1.1.99.4.20110426.4-runtime | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | i downloaded the latest qt creator/sdk thingy, but many of the qt quick examples are missing dependencies to run | 13:20 |
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| tmpsantos | lcuk: what dependence? | 13:25 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: yeah, like QtMobility, ain't it swell... | 13:25 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: how are we on Apps? | 13:28 |
| lbt | anything I need to do? | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | tmpsantos, QDeclarativeView | 13:29 |
| lcuk | that is using the first qt quick example in the list on the welcome screen after installation | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | has anyone tried building meego-app-camera? does it need the specific meego sdk (it is mostly qml) or should it be possible to build directly on the normal qt installation? | 13:51 |
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| ali1234 | lcuk: what do you mean by "normal qt installation"? | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | also what do you mean by "latest qt creator/sdk thingy"? | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, I got the latest one: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/04/qt-sdk-1-1-released/ | 14:12 |
| lcuk | and a lot of the qt quick applications are not able to be run | 14:12 |
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| ali1234 | ok, the nokia qt sdk | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | qt.nokia.com | 14:20 |
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| ali1234 | oh good firefox is doing that thing where it doesn't accept focus any more and everything you type goes to the last window you clicked it | 14:20 |
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| bkalinga | Like other SDKs; will MeeGo1.2 contain a set of examples which developers can tryout for the understating/learning? | 14:56 |
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| j^ | is QtGStreamer part of the SDK or how can one use it with qtcreator? | 15:22 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt: sorry, was in a meeting | 15:31 |
| lbt | on call -- bbiab | 15:32 |
| ScriptRipper | I ask because I want to setup for testing a "relatively stable" version of combo OBS / BOSS | 15:32 |
| ScriptRipper | with more recent BOSS version | 15:32 |
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| ScriptRipper | and see if some basic BOSS works, like e-mails to ML and so on | 15:33 |
| ScriptRipper | and see the event interface live before I think about even changing that in OBS | 15:33 |
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| ScriptRipper | also check if BOSS works with apache | 15:34 |
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| lbt | ScriptRipper: #meego-boss | 15:39 |
| ScriptRipper | Ah, I did not know this :D | 15:39 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt: is it thought as also a discussion channel ? | 15:41 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt, are you still there ? | 15:50 |
| lbt | call | 15:50 |
| ScriptRipper | ok | 15:50 |
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| lbt | so ScriptRipper ... another call coming up ... srt | 16:22 |
| lbt | sry | 16:22 |
| lbt | but ... you should be able to use: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation | 16:23 |
| lbt | use :Testing today | 16:23 |
| lcuk | does qt creator have a qml designer? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | i loaded a project with qml and it shows as only text | 16:27 |
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| alterego | lcuk: click on the "designer" button in the left hand side bar that goes down the window | 16:31 |
| alterego | (With an open QML file) | 16:31 |
| lcuk | module 'MeeGo.labs.Components' is not installed. | 16:32 |
| alterego | Yeah, you'll get that. | 16:32 |
| alterego | :D | 16:32 |
| * lcuk nods and shakes head | 16:32 | |
| lcuk | how can I install it? | 16:32 |
| alterego | You need it compiled and installed for the host machine for designer | 16:32 |
| alterego | Dunno, I never use QML designer. | 16:33 |
| alterego | :) | 16:33 |
| alterego | Git checkout, qmake, make, make install :) | 16:33 |
| lcuk | yeah I know I remember talking to ou when you were first playing with QML | 16:33 |
| lcuk | so if I make a new qt quick app, the designer should be working? | 16:33 |
| alterego | Yes | 16:34 |
| alterego | But not if you're using meego-ux-components, because you don't have that plugin installed | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | alterego, so do I install the meego sdk ? | 16:37 |
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| alterego | I don't think that is necessary. | 16:37 |
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| alterego | tbh, I don't really know what you have to do to get it working. | 16:38 |
| alterego | I'd have to go through myself and I don't realy have the time right now. | 16:38 |
| alterego | Actually, | 16:38 |
| alterego | Just seen the package: meego-ux-components | 16:38 |
| alterego | sorry, meegoux-components | 16:39 |
| alterego | What host OS are you using? | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | I really like the way the SDK emails set out the list of bugs | 17:24 |
| lcuk | [MeeGo-SDK] [Meego-qa] MeeGo SDK Bug Triage Meeting http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-May/001247.html | 17:24 |
| lcuk | those for discussion | 17:24 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: I was thinking the same thing. Wondered if you had something to do with it. :-) | 17:24 |
| lcuk | no, I just saw the mail and noticed they were there | 17:26 |
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| funnybunny | Hello i've got a problem with creating panel for MeeGo toolbar. Can somebody help me? | 17:29 |
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| andre__ | funnybunny, it's more likely to receive help if you *describe* the problem | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | heh andre__ that is always the way | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | how are you anyway? | 17:33 |
| funnybunny | okey, i'll try sorry for bad english :) i'm using test example, then i try to launch it it says "Sorry, App is broken". I configured and put the *.service file, the *.desktop file and the css file into directories like MeeGo's panels files. | 17:33 |
| andre__ | lcuk: reports of my death were slightly exaggerated, I'd say :) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | good | 17:34 |
| andre__ | funnybunny, what "test example"? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | I saw a kilted bagpipe player whilst away this weekend | 17:34 |
| lcuk | made me smile :) | 17:34 |
| andre__ | haha | 17:34 |
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| alterego | Heh, started hacking together a meego ux components based qml dialer UX now :) | 17:35 |
| alterego | Well, more like playing with the components to see which ones I can use, whilst designing the UX | 17:35 |
| alterego | I think it'll transpose over the current code base quite well. | 17:35 |
| funnybunny | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux/mutter-meego/blobs/master/libmeego-panel/tests/test-panel-gtk.c here it is) | 17:35 |
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| alterego | Except some weird modal dialog glitch. | 17:37 |
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| sivang | hi all | 17:50 |
| sivang | Is there a ready made distro of the wonderful Intel tablet UX meego with a recent core (with fix to the wifi powersaving issue from 2.32) to download? | 17:51 |
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| sivang | is there a holiday I am not aware of thatthe channel is so quite? | 18:00 |
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| zehjotkah | guten morgen | 18:05 |
| andre__ | moin :) | 18:05 |
| zehjotkah | wie gehts, wie stehs? | 18:05 |
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| andre__ | hehe... quite fine | 18:06 |
| zehjotkah | great | 18:06 |
| zehjotkah | :) | 18:06 |
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| slaine | Oh gawd, it's happening again | 18:08 |
| sivang | hey andre__ | 18:08 |
| sivang | slaine: ? | 18:08 |
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| slaine | Rumors for Intel using PowerVR for upcoming Atoms, Cedarview | 18:08 |
| * slaine is still burnt from GMA500 | 18:09 | |
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| sivang | slaine: ahh | 18:11 |
| sivang | bah | 18:11 |
| dm8tbr | slaine: plenty of people, not only on x86 are burnt by that... | 18:12 |
| slaine | Rumors that hint ad the 9XX core currently used on Pinetrail+ being dropped in favor of PowerVR | 18:12 |
| slaine | at | 18:12 |
| slaine | dm8tbr: nod | 18:12 |
| slaine | I was hoping that the Larabee project would have had some knock on effect of having clear GPU roadmap from the graphics team | 18:13 |
| dm8tbr | just look at bug 5616 if you want a taste... | 18:13 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.1.90.7, viroteck, RELE FIXED, Certain fonts are garbled | 18:13 |
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| slaine | Wonder what that means for Core i3|5|7 cpu's, they'll probably stick with the intel graphics cores | 18:14 |
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| dm8tbr | slaine: for intel it is a smart move - they can feed mktg with blurbs like 'proven IP core for embedded 3d' | 18:18 |
| slaine | It probably makes sense if they're pushing Atom down into ARM power areas | 18:18 |
| dm8tbr | also they don't have to fear the 'consumers' as those rarely will build a system with such a SoC from the ground up | 18:18 |
| slaine | it's a power efficient GPU core. | 18:18 |
| slaine | But it's a PITA for us in Linux land | 18:19 |
| dm8tbr | absolutely | 18:19 |
| slaine | and a PITA for future MeeGo if Upstream first isn't to be abandoned. | 18:19 |
| dm8tbr | but the management rationale there: you get a PlatformSupportPackage and take it or GTFO | 18:19 |
| slaine | Add to that MSFT buying out Skype and I'm not having a good day | 18:19 |
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| dm8tbr | TI has been doing it for ages | 18:20 |
| slaine | nod, the problem has always been the lag between PlatformSupportPackage and realistic current platform | 18:20 |
| dm8tbr | you want to do fancy stuff with a TI SoC - you better buy it in numbers (7+ figures) and you only get support if you use whatever TI patched to death | 18:21 |
| slaine | Yeah, but small businesses that build out atom gear with linux OS's are toast | 18:21 |
| * slaine is one of those small businesses | 18:21 | |
| dm8tbr | sure, take the PSP or die | 18:21 |
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| dm8tbr | a critical show stopper bug in the PSP? sorry wontfix, just buy the next gen silicon, fixed for that PSP | 18:22 |
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| zehjotkah | intel is betting on meego | 18:22 |
| * gabrbedd is one of those small businesses | 18:23 | |
| zehjotkah | so they'll assure linux will get proper sgx drivers (open drivers) *IF* they will use sgx | 18:23 |
| dm8tbr | sure, that does not mean though that they will suddenly be all FOSS about their stuff | 18:23 |
| zehjotkah | (btw, i'm using a gma500 atm with linux..) | 18:23 |
| dm8tbr | with or without the SGX... | 18:23 |
| zehjotkah | :dm8tbr: yes, you're right, of course, but they try hard | 18:24 |
| zehjotkah | of course with sgx.. all the fancy 3d stuff | 18:24 |
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| dm8tbr | if Intel goes SGX once again then I predict that this stuff will stay closed source and there is nothing that will change this. The only chance would be to reverse-engineer the f*ck out of that | 18:24 |
| sivang | hasn't drivers for the devil improved by now? even if they are blobs? | 18:25 |
| zehjotkah | dm8tbr: we'll see... sivang: yes, they're quite okay | 18:25 |
| zehjotkah | compiz is totally working | 18:25 |
| zehjotkah | (Nokia Booklet 3G) | 18:26 |
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| zehjotkah | unrelated to graphics: | 18:27 |
| zehjotkah | what do you guys think about QML? | 18:27 |
| dm8tbr | nice but not quite there yet (I'm not a developer though) | 18:28 |
| zehjotkah | is it a cool way to develop apps as fast or faster than for iOS and Android or not (yet)? | 18:28 |
| berndhs | I think QML is related to graphics :) | 18:28 |
| zehjotkah | :D I menat unrelated to graphic-cards | 18:29 |
| zehjotkah | gpu | 18:29 |
| Ans5i | depends developer | 18:29 |
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| dm8tbr | zehjotkah: if you want to do audio output you need qtmobility and that makes setting up a dev env more complicated (at least for me) | 18:29 |
| zehjotkah | okay, thanks a lot | 18:29 |
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| alterego | DawnFoster: is there any news on exo pc programme? Guess unlikely to happen pre conference? (I wanted to port my app to tablet ux, on a tablet) :) | 19:04 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm still hoping to get the application form online later this week | 19:05 |
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| DawnFoster | but it will take a month or so to gather applications, pick the best one & start distributing | 19:06 |
| alterego | Yeah, well never mind :) | 19:07 |
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| alterego | I've got other stuff I can demo I guess :) | 19:07 |
| tomma | dm8tbr, QAudioOutput is in QtMultimedia module | 19:09 |
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| dm8tbr | tomma: so? | 19:12 |
| tomma | no need for mobility | 19:12 |
| dm8tbr | tomma: pure qml example that will run in qmlviewer? | 19:12 |
| tomma | oh ok | 19:14 |
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| dm8tbr | I know I'd need to write a qt wrapper anyway for proper deployment | 19:14 |
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| dm8tbr | but FFS why not make mobility work with qmlviewer... | 19:15 |
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| funnybunny | Who have experience in creating panels for MeeGo toolbar? | 19:17 |
| npm | nice parking-for-sale attempt by go-daddy: http://www.meeego.com/ | 19:17 |
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| rzr | lol http://www.linkedin.com/osview/canvas?_ch_page_id=1&_ch_panel_id=1&_ch_app_id=1900&_applicationId=1900&_ownerId=0&appParams={%22section%22:%22results%22,%22profile%22:%229c4f3489-66fb-41e8-bb51-2d550063722c%22,%22poll_id%22:%22133208%22,%22external_option_id%22:%22530243%22} | 20:05 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: there? | 21:11 |
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| mwichmann | who, me? | 21:12 |
| mwichmann | ... I guess so | 21:12 |
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| kyb3R | I'm not such a big fan of compliance issues, but this really extends the limits :) http://meego.se | 21:17 |
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| mwichmann | sivang: here now | 21:20 |
| sivang | mwichmann: have we made any progress on embodying quality guidelines into either the UI guidelines and/or compliance spec? | 21:21 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: been a while since we discussed that.. | 21:21 |
| mwichmann | short answer: no progress | 21:22 |
| sivang | mwichmann: nice :) | 21:23 |
| mwichmann | for some definition of nice, I guess.... :( | 21:23 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: where to ask if there is an intention to progress on that? on a related, will you be in SF? | 21:23 |
| sivang | mwichmann: that is the Israeli way to swallow the current situation and continue striving to do better :-) | 21:23 |
| sivang | </nice> | 21:24 |
| sivang | hi-tech way, not on politics, we're completely frozen and getting more isolated there.. | 21:24 |
| mwichmann | seems like I'll be at this one | 21:24 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: great, can we sit and talk whom/what to do to start kicking this one wheel wagon? | 21:25 |
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| mwichmann | absolutely | 21:25 |
| sivang | mwichmann: when are you arriving? | 21:25 |
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| mwichmann | not till Sunday afternoon or evening or whatever it works out to | 21:26 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: I see the UI guideline dude is perhaps from Haifa, I could try and email him but felt uncomfortalbe to intrude on him out of the blue | 21:26 |
| sivang | mwichmann: well, has an Hebrew name at least | 21:26 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: I'd like to CC you on this email intrusion :-) but I forgot your address | 21:27 |
| sivang | mwichmann: I attended what had to be the largest mobile development conference till date in Israel, I learned that due to the compliance specs and lack of UI compliance Android development is a shot in the dark when you want to write once run everywhere | 21:29 |
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| mwichmann | so I hear via scuttlebutt | 21:29 |
| sivang | mwichmann: so if we pull ourselves together we might get better at that if we just make sure platform and quality expectation are co-ordinated | 21:30 |
| sivang | I would LOVE to be able to do that giving us quite a competitve edge a sa platfrom for vendors | 21:30 |
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| mwichmann | although how bad it's reported to be seems to depend partly on how big an axe to grind the writer has (android stuff I meant) | 21:30 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: true, but with Qt should not have to grind above FW level, apart from some GL glitches, I think we are at the right direction | 21:31 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: android has odd loose ends,like | 21:31 |
| mwichmann | yes, agree it would be great if we could lead here, although seems some things have to settle down a bit | 21:31 |
| sivang | mwichmann: like? | 21:31 |
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| sivang | so a classic example | 21:32 |
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| sivang | the contacts sotrage is not available on the tablets | 21:32 |
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| sivang | so people writing code to store contacts, get an arbitrary value 0 for available storage | 21:32 |
| sivang | code on the tablet | 21:32 |
| sivang | or on different vendor's handsets | 21:33 |
| sivang | so, a company who has been established on writing an improved socially aware contact app for iOS and Android | 21:33 |
| mwichmann | I was thinking of things like meegotouch, and qtgraphicsview, which are in but seem to be on their way out | 21:33 |
| sivang | ohhh | 21:33 |
| sivang | I see | 21:33 |
| sivang | okay | 21:33 |
| sivang | got'cha | 21:33 |
| sivang | quite instrumental for this discussion | 21:33 |
| sivang | however, if what we do is right, nobody would care to be "meego based" | 21:34 |
| sivang | as this would mean virtually nothing in terms of API support | 21:34 |
| sivang | being 'core meego' would then mean a great deal | 21:35 |
| sivang | a promise for meaningful results from API | 21:35 |
| sivang | anyway | 21:35 |
| sivang | let's discuss there, seems it is going to be fun | 21:35 |
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| mwichmann | yep, look forward to it | 21:36 |
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| sivang | last remark, they told me there's a test suite and everything but the test suite for droids allow you to pass even if you don't provide a meaningful field in your contacts backend implementation | 21:36 |
| sivang | causing many many issues with developers using the API to access contact's fields | 21:36 |
| sivang | ... | 21:36 |
| sivang | and now I'm spent :-) | 21:36 |
| mwichmann | oops, that sounds unfortunate | 21:37 |
| sivang | err, sentence came broken: a test suite enforces compliance, but failed to embody 'quality' guidelines | 21:37 |
| sivang | I hope you get the idea... | 21:37 |
| mwichmann | sure, and it's easier to test the api is there, and still has the right signature than that it does something meaningful... | 21:38 |
| sivang | one vendor includes just one field, other does not, another does not have the contacts stoage backend at all so they had to reimpliment using sqlite | 21:38 |
| sivang | mwichmann: precsily! | 21:38 |
| sivang | you hit my worry point | 21:38 |
| sivang | so their testing is more like typ inspection than something useful | 21:39 |
| mwichmann | mine now too (been dragged into sdk side) | 21:39 |
| sivang | great | 21:39 |
| sivang | how can we schedule an ad-hoc bof for that? | 21:39 |
| sivang | or some constelation for discussion? | 21:39 |
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| mwichmann | well... I'm available, but not sure I can organize... | 21:40 |
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| gabrbedd | mwichmann: quack, quack, baby! | 21:42 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: lol | 21:59 |
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| sivang | githogori: if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck | 22:10 |
| sivang | it's ducktape | 22:10 |
| sivang | ;( | 22:10 |
| sivang | ;) | 22:10 |
| sivang | night all | 22:10 |
| sivang | see you soon | 22:10 |
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| orospakr | Is Skype well known for nomming battery? | 22:57 |
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| orospakr | (not while calling, just while sleeping in the background on your desk) | 22:57 |
| lcuk | orospakr, on which os/build/ux? | 23:00 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: LBN day 2 sent | 23:02 |
| orospakr | lcuk, CM7, G2. | 23:05 |
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| sergiusens | is anyone aware of the PackageKit-browser-plugin package? | 23:09 |
| sergiusens | it's empty and apparently (I presume) it's to allow installation of packages from the browser through gpk | 23:09 |
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| alterego | Which browser? :) | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: thanks, was giving a talk and on way back from krakow so couldnt do it | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | will reply mine too | 23:28 |
| thiago_home | n/p | 23:34 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: are you replying now? | 23:35 |
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| alterego | Hey qgil | 23:36 |
| qgil | hi there alterego | 23:36 |
| * w00t_ moseys in | 23:36 | |
| alterego | Is there a channel for people that do meego ux components? | 23:36 |
| alterego | Hey w00t_ | 23:36 |
| alterego | I can't figure out how to get rid of the book menu :/ | 23:37 |
| alterego | Hrm | 23:38 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: if so, please correct my email to the personal one. I sent from the KDE one by accident. | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: the .info one? | 23:42 |
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| MohammadAG | speaking of emails, please disregard anything any of you got from me | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | apparently my email was hacked, part of Sony's PSN fiasco | 23:43 |
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| alterego | :/ | 23:44 |
| alterego | Lame | 23:44 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: yes, or .org | 23:44 |
| alterego | I have had a few odd emails recently ;) | 23:44 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: I've begun replying, if you want to wait for my email | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, indeed, apparently I spammed maemo-dev :/ | 23:46 |
| alterego | Eek | 23:49 |
| alterego | This is why I have a spam email account that I use for signing up to silly things like PSN :P | 23:49 |
| alterego | Though I don't have a PSN account | 23:50 |
| alterego | Still :) | 23:50 |
| alterego | I keep work and play quite seperate. | 23:50 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I don't use my gmail account on PSN | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | same password though :P | 23:50 |
| alterego | I don't get this "books" concept in MeeGo UX Components | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, fancy name for stacked windows? | 23:53 |
| alterego | No, that's the pages in a book | 23:53 |
| alterego | Well, seems like it's multidimensional anyway. | 23:54 |
| alterego | But Surely and app would have _1_ book .. | 23:54 |
| alterego | Or could have _1_ book .. | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | oh so meego has stacked windows? yay | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | Is it as simple as a window flag/attribute in MeeGo? | 23:55 |
| alterego | Simpler really, but more .. Well, declarative :P | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | ala Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | elaborate :P | 23:56 |
| alterego | It's just inherent in the way you design meego component based apps. | 23:56 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: sent my votes | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I was referring to Qt, not MTF | 23:56 |
| alterego | I was refering to meego ux components, not MTF or Qt :P | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: ok, mine too, (was a bit slow to do so, laggy gprs) | 23:57 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: will summarise now | 23:58 |
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