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| Venemo | wifi doesn't work on MeeGo DE on my N900 | 00:31 |
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| Venemo | at all | 00:31 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, is there a separate (later) release date for N900 DE? | 01:02 |
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| osvaldo_ | hi | 01:30 |
| osvaldo_ | one question... | 01:31 |
| osvaldo_ | i have problem with empathy... dont connect msn | 01:31 |
| osvaldo_ | someone? | 01:32 |
| rzr` | this mean you passed the test to not use it anymore :) | 01:35 |
| jonnor | How do I find out why I am "banned" in #meego-dev? | 01:35 |
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| jonnor | I don't think I've ever been there before | 01:35 |
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| osvaldo_ | heyyy i need help!! | 01:46 |
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| mikhas | jonnor, probably a ban mask? | 01:48 |
| w00t_ | jonnor: #meego-dev got closed | 01:48 |
| berndhs | jonnor: #meego-dev is no more, was closed a few weeks ago | 01:49 |
| mikhas | heh | 01:49 |
| osvaldo_ | berndhs .. | 01:49 |
| berndhs | osvaldo_: i dont use empathy, have my own chat client. And I dont know anyone in MSN :) | 01:50 |
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| jonnor | Ok. I guess I will ask here then. What is the criteria for a release blocker? | 02:39 |
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| jonnor | update release blocker is well-defined in release process docs but release blocker is not as far as I have been. | 02:40 |
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| npm | happy that "my" bugs are finally release blockers: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15552 | 02:54 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 13778 maj, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, [upstream 0.71 has fixed]connection problems, page allocation failures | 02:54 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 13780 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wired connection stops working when transferring lots of data | 02:54 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15552 maj, High, ---, martin.xu, ASSI, [Upstream v-0.71 has fixed the issue]network fail to connect to internet with static IP for the seco | 02:54 |
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| shawnbusker | hey, I'm kind of new to meego, but i assume its based on linux, correct? I want to try this on my laptop but it seems more directed towards netbooks, would it work, or it it only for intel atom pcs?? | 06:16 |
| beford | it pretty much requires intel graphics at this time | 06:17 |
| shawnbusker | ah | 06:17 |
| beford | so, if your laptop has nvidia/ati video card it won't work out of the box atleast | 06:18 |
| shawnbusker | no ati or nvidia? | 06:18 |
| shawnbusker | ohh | 06:18 |
| shawnbusker | darn | 06:18 |
| beford | no, license issues, if they get an oss driver meego could be able to include it | 06:18 |
| shawnbusker | ah | 06:18 |
| shawnbusker | so this will run on any x86 pc with intel graphics just fine, or close to working well? | 06:19 |
| shawnbusker | because in the past, I've used ubuntu that has worked on my machines in the past, and any os based on ubuntu would work well on mine, but i dont know what meego really is, or what it's based on | 06:21 |
| berndhs | shawnbusker: cpu needs to support ssse3 | 06:21 |
| shawnbusker | whys that? is there any way around that? | 06:22 |
| shawnbusker | my laptop is old, only has support for sse2 i believe | 06:22 |
| berndhs | it is compiled for that, to optimize some things | 06:23 |
| shawnbusker | ah, and theres no backward compatibility? | 06:23 |
| shawnbusker | for slower machines | 06:23 |
| berndhs | not that i know of | 06:24 |
| berndhs | its a forward looking system :) | 06:24 |
| shawnbusker | ok, i'll have to look into this later and see what i can find then, thanks | 06:24 |
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| beford | if I remember correctly vgrade was working on a sse2 build, however it still requires intel graphics | 06:26 |
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| lcuk | there is one person who spent 10 years translating my brain into business, he is based in manchester and can help. | 07:08 |
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| iekku | good morning | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: yes | 07:31 |
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| ab | thiago, can we get SNI back ported to 4.7? | 10:41 |
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| max_posedon | hi! Where I can ask meego devs release libqttracker tar bz2? | 10:44 |
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| RST38h | EHLO, ladies, gentlemen, other life forms | 11:03 |
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| ericlr | lbt: mornin' | 11:08 |
| ericlr | lbt: all set with rest api? | 11:09 |
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| phaeron | we got notified later in the day yesterday. afaik we didn't get to testing it yet | 11:10 |
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| lbt | yep - Stephen got it working last night. | 11:10 |
| lbt | yup | 11:10 |
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| phaeron | lbt: oh hi :) | 11:10 |
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| lbt | ericlr: discussion bug lifecycle on #meego-arm | 11:12 |
| ericlr | lbt:ok joining… | 11:13 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lbt: *sigh* | 11:31 |
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| lbt | hello you bundle of joy, you :) | 11:31 |
| timeless_w7ip | bug 16212 among half a dozen bugs was attacked by a useless user | 11:31 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16212 nor, Low, ---, peng.li, WAIT, x11 tests xi2 init_window calls memset with sizeof instead of sizeof* | 11:31 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, do you actually run the unit tests for the VKB in MeeGo? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: you'd have to ask the QA guys for that | 11:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | lbt: can you find someone to smack that guy? | 11:48 |
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| mikhas | timoph, QA page lists you - what about tests provided by a package? | 11:49 |
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| mikhas | would it make sense to try to integrate those tests in into the QA loop for 1.3? | 11:49 |
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| timoph | mikhas: do you have a ready test package? | 11:53 |
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| mikhas | timoph, only for H a | 11:55 |
| mikhas | *Harmattan | 11:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | lbt: PING | 11:55 |
| timoph | hmmh | 11:55 |
| lbt | I'm writing a comment | 11:55 |
| timoph | mikhas: are those available from public git, etc.? | 11:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | thanks | 11:55 |
| mikhas | timoph, the units tests are, yes. the UI tests with TDriver are not, AFAIK | 11:56 |
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| mikhas | for unit tests: https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard/trees/master/tests for example | 11:57 |
| timoph | I can take a look at those although not today. | 11:57 |
| mikhas | yeah, no hurry | 11:57 |
| timoph | IIRC I filed a bug against meegotouch-inputmethdokeyboard-tests :) | 11:58 |
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| mikhas | so, they are already run? | 11:58 |
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| timoph | no. tests.xml doesn't work in meego or something | 11:59 |
| timoph | wait a sec | 11:59 |
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| mikhas | we dont need this XML stuff for MeeGo | 11:59 |
| mikhas | we should rather fix the tests to be fully self-contained :-) | 12:00 |
| mikhas | but if it's possible to adopted this Harmattan-ism, then sure | 12:00 |
| timoph | bug 16767 | 12:01 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16767 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard-tests does not work with test automation | 12:01 |
| timeless_w7ip | stskeeps/lbt/... http://piratepad.net/FaJtwRFbdH | 12:02 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i have no idea if i'll post this | 12:02 |
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| lbt | not to that bug.... but in general yes | 12:02 |
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| timoph | well. I only deal with automated testing. Of course you can run the tests manually without the automation but you don't need my help with that :) | 12:04 |
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| timoph | those test can be run with automation (if fixed), I tried with a slightly modified version of tests.xml those and these are the results from it: http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Core/Nightly-Automated/N900/2173#test-set-28723 | 12:06 |
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| timoph | in summary: if those tests.xml files are not fixed to work with MeeGo test automation we will not execute them. | 12:07 |
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| Ronksu | how long should it take after booking a hotel via conference registration to get some kind of reply? | 12:18 |
| Ronksu | (I am assuming they confirm it somehow) | 12:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/184/ | 12:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | is a draft | 12:19 |
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| lbt | timeless_w7ip: last line s/patches/patches or genuine bug reports/ | 12:24 |
| lbt | genuine/triaged ? | 12:24 |
| lbt | something | 12:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | reload | 12:25 |
| lbt | can I copy it to the meego wiki | 12:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | sure | 12:26 |
| * timeless_w7ip isn't sure which source lbt is using | 12:26 | |
| lbt | 184 | 12:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | ok | 12:29 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lbt: note that this guy did this to around 6 bugs, in case you want to helpfully fix the others (or watch them..) | 12:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, and in this case the change is a single character .... | 12:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lbt: oh... | 12:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | i also got 3 emails from someone for bug 14688 and related | 12:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | asking how to verify | 12:35 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14688 nor, Low, ---, krisztian.litkey, RELE FIXED, swi-prolog PL_error uses stack local variable past scope | 12:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | he sent them to me directly | 12:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | which is moderately problematic | 12:35 |
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| lbt | ask him to please repost the content of the mails in bz ? | 12:36 |
| lbt | he may not want to appear ignorant though | 12:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | asking the same question in 3 bugs indeed would make him look ignorant | 12:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | but perhaps he might have realized it and decided not to ask it 3 times ? :) | 12:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | by sending me the same query 3 times, he only appeared ignorant to me | 12:39 |
| lbt | automated ? | 12:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | dunno | 12:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | he definitely treated me like a mail-merge | 12:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | it wasn't a good feeling | 12:40 |
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| timeless_w7ip | do's and don'ts part 2 | 12:40 |
| lbt | yep .. useful stuff | 12:41 |
| lbt | OK ... got to pop out for an hour.... bbl8r :) | 12:42 |
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| timeless_w7ip | https://meego.com/user/timeless is depressing | 12:55 |
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| guyzmo | hi | 12:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | help | 12:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | how do i edit my company field in meego.com? | 12:57 |
| guyzmo | I'm trying to install meego on a lenovo s10-3t, and the whole installation process work, but it seems extlinux fail to be installed | 12:57 |
| guyzmo | when rebooting, the tablet says "operating system not found" | 12:58 |
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| guyzmo | anyone has an idea of what's wrong ? | 12:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | javif: ping | 12:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | mece: ping | 12:58 |
| Mece | timeless_w7ip, pong | 12:58 |
| andre__ | timeless_w7ip: thanks for CCing on the "reporter should triage" one, feel free to do that whenever you spot such a behavior | 12:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | do you see any content in https://meego.com/user/me/edit/Personal Information | 12:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | andre__: i only cc'd you to 1 of that guy's incidents | 12:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | he hit around 6 | 12:59 |
| andre__ | gar | 12:59 |
| andre__ | lart | 12:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm cc'ing you on a reply to a different guy's private email (he hit me 3 times w/ the same question, one per bug) | 13:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | andre__: http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/184/ will be more or less my public response to the cc'd guy | 13:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i'm not sure if i'll get around to writing 186/ for the other guy | 13:00 |
| andre__ | sure, go ahead | 13:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mece: lemme know about that url? | 13:01 |
| Mece | timeless_w7ip, ok hold on. | 13:01 |
| Mece | timeless_w7ip, what do you want to know? | 13:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | i get a form w/ lots of blank fields | 13:02 |
| Mece | timeless_w7ip, yes..? | 13:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i expect it to have the values i'd see on ... | 13:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://meego.com/users/timeless | 13:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | grr | 13:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://meego.com/users/me | 13:03 |
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| Mece | timeless_w7ip, lol | 13:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | boy that was an embarrassing miss :) | 13:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mece: so, it's all blank, right? | 13:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm not missing anything? | 13:05 |
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| Mece | timeless_w7ip, um... what? what is blank and what is not? | 13:07 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mece: all of the fields in the edit/ page are blank for me | 13:13 |
| timeless_w7ip | i want to confirm that they're blank for you too | 13:13 |
| timeless_w7ip | specifically the ones which in the main user page aren't blank | 13:13 |
| timeless_w7ip | like name, and company | 13:13 |
| timeless_w7ip | andre__: http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/186/ is a draft | 13:15 |
| andre__ | totally +1 | 13:16 |
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| guyzmo | what are the differences between meego netbook and meego ivi ? | 13:16 |
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| andre__ | guyzmo: netbook is for netbooks, ivi is for vehicles (cars etc). | 13:17 |
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| guyzmo | I'm doing an install on a lenovo ideapad s10-3t, and on the wiki they say to install ivi, but on some forums they say to install netbook | 13:17 |
| andre__ | timeless_w7ip, same here, all blank. file a bug? | 13:18 |
| guyzmo | andre__ - so, why do they suggest to install ivi on http://wiki.meego.com/IVI-LenovoS10-3t ? | 13:18 |
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| andre__ | guyzmo: because people can, I guess? | 13:19 |
| andre__ | don't know, ask "them"? people also made OpenOffice.org under EasyDebian run on the N900 and its screen estate, and I wondered why :) | 13:19 |
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| guyzmo | ok, I was confused about "what's the good installer" for the lenovo | 13:20 |
| guyzmo | everybody says "it's easy to install, see I did it in 9 minutes" | 13:20 |
| andre__ | ah, hehe | 13:20 |
| guyzmo | but when I tried, it just fails | 13:20 |
| guyzmo | exlinux didn't write the bootloader on /dev/sda, and the laptop just can't boo | 13:21 |
| guyzmo | t | 13:21 |
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| Mece | timeless_w7ip, yes, they're blank. | 13:23 |
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| guyzmo | grmpf I got "bad magic number" error on installing extlinux | 13:53 |
| guyzmo | and looking up on google give nothing | 13:53 |
| arfoll | guyzmo, try install from a different USB ke | 13:54 |
| arfoll | s/ke/key | 13:54 |
| guyzmo | arfoll - we tried with 3 different usb keys, including those that intel distributes (the intel appup credit card sized ones) | 13:55 |
| arfoll | guyzmo, how are you writing the image then? | 13:56 |
| guyzmo | hum | 13:58 |
| guyzmo | it seems it has a GPT partition scheme | 13:58 |
| guyzmo | and the laptop can't boot that | 13:58 |
| arfoll | guyzmo, what image are you writing? | 13:58 |
| guyzmo | meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.5.20110504.4.img | 14:00 |
| guyzmo | I also tried with last stable | 14:00 |
| arfoll | guyzmo, i installed the 1.1 stable image on my s10-3t just few days ago | 14:00 |
| guyzmo | it has been the same with the 1.1 stable | 14:00 |
| guyzmo | but are you using a GPT partition scheme ? | 14:01 |
| arfoll | what do you mean? on the s10-3t drive? | 14:01 |
| guyzmo | yup | 14:01 |
| arfoll | no don't think so i have an SSD in there | 14:01 |
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| guyzmo | arfoll - so do I | 14:02 |
| guyzmo | hm... I'm gonna dump the FS | 14:02 |
| guyzmo | and rewrite a traditionnal one | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: May 05 10:26:59 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: .... May 05 11:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I have more interest in lis302dl in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt | 14:04 |
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| rzr | hi | 14:39 |
| julio | hi | 14:39 |
| * rzr fail to make a rpm of a qml app .. | 14:39 | |
| rzr | can you help | 14:39 |
| julio | nope :( | 14:40 |
| rzr | i can work on regular qt app but not one that load qml files :'( | 14:40 |
| rzr | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4370 | 14:40 |
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| julio | http://thenokiablog.com/2011/05/04/lg-meego/ | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe the ones nokia knew about | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
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| alterego | So, LG will probably release a real MeeGo device before Nokia | 15:59 |
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| berndhs | ha this Nokia "withdrawal" and "switch to WP7" is just a fake to get others interested int MeeGo :) | 15:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | berndhs: i do -occasionally- wonder that. | 16:00 |
| alterego | Tell that to all the job losses :P | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | in long term that might actually make | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | se | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | nse | 16:01 |
| RST38h | ...and humans were constructed by water to carry it upstream | 16:01 |
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| alterego | I suppose it makes it easier for ex employees with symbian experience to blame Microsoft ;) | 16:08 |
| alterego | Everyone hates MS :) | 16:08 |
| iekku | :D | 16:09 |
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| gabrbedd | good morning, everyone! | 16:20 |
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| iekku | good morning :D | 16:21 |
| iekku | time to go home from work :D | 16:22 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, have a nice day :) | 16:22 |
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| alterego | Noticed no Sony Ericsson in that list. | 16:26 |
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| alterego | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/meego_no_thanks/ | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | meego, the zombie OS | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 16:29 |
| alterego | That's a bit more indepth | 16:29 |
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| gabrbedd | iekku: have a good evening! :-) | 16:29 |
| alterego | that the nokiablog one | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The Geniune Lavcraftian OS (tm) | 16:29 |
| alterego | And I liked the picture | 16:29 |
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| alterego | I wish I had the resources an knowledge to start my own manufacturing business. | 16:30 |
| RST38h | alterego: Hundreds of Chinese companies will gladly do it for you, cheaply enough | 16:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, but what is the quality like :) | 16:30 |
| RST38h | alterego: But have you got a clear idea WHAT you are going to manufacture and whol will buy that? =) | 16:31 |
| RST38h | alterego: the quality is as good as you are willing to pay for (iPhones are built by the Chinese) | 16:31 |
| alterego | No, I've not really thought about it in that much depth. | 16:31 |
| RST38h | See? =) | 16:31 |
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| alterego | I'd probably work with a unified hardware platform, but with different form factorns/profiles | 16:32 |
| mihero | hw design is not that easy, for mobilephones it has to pass alot of goverment regulations | 16:32 |
| alterego | Yeah | 16:32 |
| RST38h | The same Chinese will design it for you too | 16:33 |
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| alterego | It'd be nice if you could just buy a regulator checked gsm module and bung it in to the rest of your hardware. | 16:33 |
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| mihero | yep, foxconn does whole thing from idea to final product, but you have to order few hundred thousand devices:) | 16:34 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:34 |
| mihero | maybe not for a startup company:) | 16:35 |
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| berndhs | i dont know how reliable Nokia's predictions of other companies future plans are | 16:36 |
| berndhs | given the shelf life of Nokia's predictions of their own plans | 16:36 |
| alterego | I'd have to come up with something fresh and compelling. To attractusers and hackers. | 16:37 |
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| RST38h | bern: my crystal balls see doom! | 16:37 |
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| berndhs | RST38h: yeah but that seems to be your specialty lately :) | 16:37 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: maybe your crystal balls are hard coded | 16:38 |
| mihero | alterego: qwerty meego mobilephone, perhaps | 16:38 |
| RST38h | cosmo: not that I know of | 16:38 |
| RST38h | meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/100yss_rfi/ | 16:38 |
| alterego | mihsure, but I'd want something that'd make it standout | 16:39 |
| mihero | then add shiny to the list:) | 16:39 |
| berndhs | alterego: try mobility between phone service providers, that's shiny | 16:39 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:40 |
| alterego | Quad sim? | 16:40 |
| RST38h | alterego: try gambling, porn, substance abuse | 16:41 |
| RST38h | if all else fails, apply for a DARPA grant | 16:41 |
| julio | alterego: dual boot | 16:41 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:41 |
| julio | that would be cool | 16:41 |
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| gabrbedd | It's always easier to predict doom. | 16:45 |
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| alterego | It's easier to fail :P | 16:45 |
| berndhs | i predict that WP7 will fail even with Nokia suport | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | this is an easy item to predict, WP is a lemon | 16:46 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:46 |
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| alterego | Was it LG that did that "facebook" phone? | 16:47 |
| RST38h | try predicting stuff about WebOS or RIM | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: Nope. To fail you actually have to /try/. Predictions have no such prerequisite. | 16:50 |
| alterego | It's easy to fail though, you just don't do anything. | 16:51 |
| mihero | lg tried atleast with wp phones and failed | 16:51 |
| julio | I bet Microsoft will buy RIM in 18 months | 16:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:51 |
| mihero | what would they benefit from that? | 16:51 |
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| alterego | Probably nothing, they should just let RIM die | 16:52 |
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| julio | owning RIM and having an alliance with nokia would give ms a global reach | 16:53 |
| w00t_ | a global reach of products nobody wants to buy | 16:53 |
| w00t_ | sounds fantastic | 16:53 |
| w00t_ | :P | 16:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:55 |
| mihero | ecosystem that looks like a post-apocalyctic | 16:56 |
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| alterego | It's quite big amongst the young kids though | 16:57 |
| alterego | RIM that is. | 16:57 |
| mihero | oh, i thought it was more a business oriented | 16:58 |
| alterego | That might be whyw I guess | 16:58 |
| alterego | But it seems a lot of kids like it for the messenger stuff, or something. | 16:59 |
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| alterego | Thye proably don't get you can use MSN Messenger on pretty much any mid range phone nowadays. | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | julio: An elephant will eat 300kg of bananas a day. IF YOU LET HIM. | 17:08 |
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| gandhijee | doesn't matter, the kids use it for BBM, but most are getting fed up with that fact you cna't do shit else with the phone | 17:10 |
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| gandhijee | and RIM said they were probably going to release BBM for android phones anyways | 17:10 |
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| julio | RST38h: who is going to stop microsoft? :D | 17:13 |
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| julio | dice have been cast... http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/05/microsoft-partners-with-rim-to-bring-bing-to-blackberry.ars | 17:14 |
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| alterego | When can we expect emails about sharing rooms? | 17:21 |
| alterego | And do we get cheaper price on rooms even with sponsorship? | 17:21 |
| * slaine wishes he was going | 17:21 | |
| alterego | I wanna volunteer for warmup sessions, but I can't afford hotel for the conference if I want to be there for the whole thing. | 17:22 |
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| * alterego thinks the 4 nights thing is a bit limiting. | 17:23 | |
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| GAN900 | alterego, rooms are covered when sponsored. | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | alterego, bet you can couch surf somewhere. | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | wiretapped is in the city, might contact him. | 17:31 |
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| alterego | GAN900: I heard the rooms were only covered for four nights. | 17:34 |
| GAN900 | Yes, that's correct | 17:34 |
| alterego | And we don't get special price for more nights? | 17:34 |
| GAN900 | Dunno about rates for additional nights | 17:34 |
| alterego | okay | 17:34 |
| GAN900 | But those hotels are ridiculously expensive anyway. | 17:35 |
| alterego | I've got a contact out there that I might be able to couch surf at | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | Yes, that's probably a good plan. | 17:35 |
| alterego | Wonder if they have spare beds on Alcatraz | 17:35 |
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| alterego | Do they have B&Bs in SF? :D | 17:36 |
| alterego | Or is that a British thing | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | I'm sure they do | 17:36 |
| calvinhp | there are B&B's and hostels too | 17:36 |
| alterego | Cool, might see what Carsten is doing as he mentioned hostels | 17:36 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 17:39 |
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| Umeaboy | I was just wondering........ I'd like to switch OS on my GPS-navigator. | 17:39 |
| Umeaboy | Is that possible? | 17:39 |
| Umeaboy | If so, HOW? | 17:40 |
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| julio | Umeaboy: I hardly think so | 17:44 |
| Umeaboy | julio: OK. | 17:45 |
| Umeaboy | There has to be a way. | 17:46 |
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| Umeaboy | I should first try to root it, right? | 17:46 |
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| gabrbedd | Fun to watch a troll starve | 17:49 |
| vvaltone | even if it wasn't a very truthful answer :P | 17:50 |
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| calvinhp | is anyone else using 1.1.90.4 on an s10-3t? everything works very well except Bluetooth. Is there a special trick? | 17:57 |
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| * calvinhp hasn't seen bluetooth work on this netbook with any meego release yet | 17:58 | |
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| gabrbedd | calvinhp: Does it even /have/ BT? Some don't. | 18:01 |
| gabrbedd | calvinhp: If you have it... it should show up in the output of lspci or lsusb (`sudo lsusb -vv` for more details) | 18:02 |
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| calvinhp | gabrbedd: it has bluetooth, let me get the output of lsusb -vv | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: N900 is using lis302dl chip. lis3lv02 is a different chip with different properties, so I think the lis3lv02 driver isn't the right one | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm tryong to convince OM to push theirs upstream | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as now there's no conflict with the existing lis3lv02 driver actually anymore | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ok? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:23 |
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| * timeless_w7ip tries to update the company record field in meego | 18:26 | |
| Stskeeps | to what? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:26 |
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| timeless_w7ip | <empty> | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | no longer a nokian? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://meego.com/user/me/edit/Personal%20Information | 18:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | correct | 18:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | can you try loading htat url? | 18:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | s/htat/that/ | 18:28 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: can you try loading that url? | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | do you see anything in <First Name> | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | works for me, except i didn't fill it in | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | you really never filled any of that in? | 18:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | what's your user number? | 18:29 |
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| * timeless_w7ip *hates* the namespace system | 18:32 | |
| timeless_w7ip | stskeeps: so err | 18:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | you have a <organization> | 18:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | how do you edit that field? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | i can edit that fine | 18:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | how? where? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | i clicked that page, showed 'stskeeps' fine and i could edit organisation | 18:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | did it *fill* in the organization? | 18:33 |
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| timeless_w7ip | for me *all* fields on that page are *blank* | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, didn't fill | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | bug report? | 18:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | sure, but only now that you've actually confirmed they're blank | 18:34 |
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| naquad | where can i find sources of liveinst (aka consolehelper/-gtk)? | 18:37 |
| naquad | i need to change partitioning and add post script | 18:37 |
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| julio | naquad: here? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/installer/trees/master | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sorry, Venemo found the lis3lv02.ko claims to handle lis302dl chips as well :-S | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you're on your own, and probably stuck with that polling upstream lis3lv02 driver that can't exploit the chip's orientation change detection IRQ. So live with poor battery standby, or do sth about it. I'm fed up with everybody bitching at me | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: people has this weird reaction to being asked to upstream stuff, not sure i fully understand it myself :P | 19:19 |
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| naquad | julio, thank you | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | looking here: https://bugs.meego.com/describecomponents.cgi?product=Handset%20User%20Experience | 21:10 |
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| berndhs | what about it ? | 21:15 |
| berndhs | those are the people to blame ? | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | are user apps going to be listed on there? | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | "user apps" - you mean like, third party stuff? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | ye | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | do you think they should be? i would assume they won't | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | i think on maemo they were but I recall some discussion | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | i always found reporting bugs with meego extras to be incredibly painful | 21:19 |
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| ali1234 | could never figure out whether to report on garage or bugzilla | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | i mean amemo extras | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | maemo | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | i think that's mainly because bugzilla doesn't track bugs by package | 21:20 |
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| ali1234 | instead you have these components | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | so which component if any does 3rd party app reports go in? | 21:20 |
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| berndhs | there has to be a way to report bugs for 3rd party stuff, even if it is forwarded directly upstream | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | sure | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | it works for launchpad | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | but they have a good system for doing it | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | bugs are against a specific package | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | and they have bug watches that can monitor an external bug on upstream | 21:22 |
| berndhs | well, in some cases users won't know the package | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | that's true | 21:22 |
| berndhs | for crashes there is an automated system | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | but bugzilla can't even represent that information even if you do know | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | maybe it can, but the meego one can't | 21:22 |
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| ali1234 | this is also important for triage not just users | 21:23 |
| berndhs | its a good question though, how will bugs.meego.com do this | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | someone can go on launchpad, look at a bug and say "oh, that's package ..." and just set it | 21:23 |
| berndhs | yes a good point, a crash in alis-special-app doesn't mean the app is broken | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | even if the reporter doesn't know, it's trivial for triager to set | 21:24 |
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| ali1234 | well, it probably does | 21:24 |
| berndhs | i just had a bug today in fedora-15-beta | 21:24 |
| berndhs | my own apps were not forwarding links to firefox | 21:24 |
| berndhs | nothing broken in my apps, nothing in firefox | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | yeah i love bugs like that | 21:25 |
| berndhs | problem was in xdg-utils | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | so, hypothetically speaking, if i had this bug on meego and i had no idea what was going on cos i'm just a regular user | 21:25 |
| berndhs | so as you said, its needed for triage | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | how would i know what component to report against? | 21:25 |
| berndhs | most people would report it against the apps that dont forward the link | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | in ubuntu i would report it against the specific app | 21:26 |
| berndhs | thats what I did, I rebuild my apps | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | assuming it was just one app that didn't work | 21:26 |
| gandhijee | whats the deal with the PowerVR core, is there ever going to be support for it in MeeGo/Linux | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | gandhijee: on what platform? | 21:26 |
| gandhijee | GMA500, GMA600 etc | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | then, that bug could be updated to point to firefox, if it turned out the app was correct | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's emgd-bin in meego 1.2 | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | works fine on some gma500 but of course unsupported | 21:27 |
| berndhs | so I think that meego wants to at least see those error reports go by | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | from there, firefox developers could look at it and say "not my problem, xdg-open is broken" | 21:27 |
| gandhijee | what do you mean "some" GMA500 | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | at each stage, the developers of the specific app only have to look in one place for their bugs | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | gandhijee: well, i know the drivers work on my joggler and some has it working on booklet | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | and not have to look through a list of bugs related to a vague "component" most of which are nothing to do with their package | 21:28 |
| gandhijee | i see | 21:28 |
| gandhijee | Stskeeps: i guess i will try it on my Gillmore Summit platform and see what happens | 21:29 |
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| berndhs | also their "components" are sometimes very general, and sometimes single applications | 21:29 |
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| ali1234 | i guess my point here is, on ubuntu it doesn't matter if i report against app, firefox, or xdg-open - they are all obvious and valid choices and someone with direct experience of the technology involved is going to see it no matter which i pick | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | but on meego, if i report it in "browser" it's going to get lost in a sea of random other reports about stuff like "my keyboard doesn't work" etc | 21:30 |
| berndhs | yes i see what you mean, there should be a more definite starting point for ht erepot | 21:30 |
| berndhs | s/erepot/report/ | 21:31 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: yes i see what you mean, there should be a more definite starting point for ht report | 21:31 |
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| gandhijee | is there a button in the meego netbook edition that lets me shutdown the unit? | 21:31 |
| gandhijee | or do it just depend on the hard button of the system? | 21:31 |
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| ali1234 | depends on hardware button last time i checked | 21:31 |
| berndhs | gandhijee: hardware power button | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | you can open a terminal and "sudo shutdown -h now" | 21:32 |
| berndhs | I should write a shutdown app :P | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | sell it for $4.99 | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | i'm sure you'd make a few sales | 21:32 |
| berndhs | oh probably | 21:33 |
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| alterego | Is Charlie Sheen going to the SF conference? :D | 22:44 |
| * alterego chuckles | 22:44 | |
| alterego | Jaffa: ping | 22:45 |
| alterego | Actually, never mind :) | 22:46 |
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| alterego | Think I might just wait for random selection rather than decide. | 22:52 |
| alterego | I'm a heavy snorer. | 22:52 |
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| gabrbedd | :-p | 23:00 |
| alterego | :) | 23:00 |
| gabrbedd | Tip: Wax earplugs are comfortable when laying on your pillow. | 23:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:01 |
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| alterego | Are people bothering to find a room mate or do you think you'll just leave it for random selection? | 23:01 |
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| MrTroll | sup | 23:58 |
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| MrTroll | *cough* *cough* | 23:59 |
| MrTroll | so, anybody here able to tell me what Meego is? | 23:59 |
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