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| ojpzdp | hi | 00:26 |
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| ojpzdp | i need hel | 00:26 |
| ojpzdp | help | 00:26 |
| ojpzdp | someone speak spanish? | 00:26 |
| berndhs | me too | 00:26 |
| ojpzdp | i need read ntfs on meego | 00:26 |
| ojpzdp | jelou | 00:27 |
| andre__ | ojpzdp, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1980 - looks like it's up to distributors | 00:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 1980 enh, Medium, ---, gavin.hindman, VERI REJECTED, [FEA] Unable to mount NTFS images | 00:29 |
| andre__ | if you're hackish: http://www.meabi.com/ntfs-support-for-meego-netbook-read-windows-partitions-from-meego/ | 00:29 |
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| ojpzdp | i read that url , but dont works on my meego | 00:30 |
| andre__ | ojpzdp, and what does not work? | 00:34 |
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| ojpzdp | andre_ when put in console ... –SU Mode Configure | 00:38 |
| andre__ | ojpzdp, it's "su". However if you don't have a technical background I don't recommend that. | 00:40 |
| andre__ | especially because the URL on that page points to a random non-secure upload... | 00:41 |
| andre__ | my intention was to rather describe the concept | 00:41 |
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| ojpzdp | tengo algo de experiencia con ubuntu, pero ahí podia abrir un disco en ntfs, y no logro hacerlo con este tutorial | 00:43 |
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| ojpzdp | andre__ You could explain how to do it step by step | 00:45 |
| ojpzdp | please | 00:46 |
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| ojpzdp | andre__ mesage.... | 00:49 |
| andre__ | ojpzdp, please don't send me private messages if there is no need to | 00:49 |
| andre__ | ojpzdp, I don't want to screw your system, and compiling this is nothing trivial | 00:50 |
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| gabrbedd | ojpzdp: La URL arriba is muy bien. Si no puede hacerlo con eso... es tan dificil para ti? | 00:50 |
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| ojpzdp | which could be the solution to read NTFS then? | 00:51 |
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| andre__ | well, according to that bug report, refering to the future: get MeeGo in a product from a distributor that has added a solution for it. | 00:52 |
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| ojpzdp | andre__ ....> [root@ojpzdp-desktop ntfs-3g-2010.5.22]# ./configure checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make s | 00:55 |
| andre__ | ojpzdp, http://pastebin.com/ | 00:56 |
| andre__ | for long output | 00:56 |
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| ojpzdp | name its andre__ (file) | 00:57 |
| andre__ | url ? | 00:58 |
| ojpzdp | http://pastebin.com/VALA3gQM | 00:59 |
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| thiago_home | checking for gcc... no | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | what have you done about this? :-) | 00:59 |
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| andre__ | ojpzdp: as I've said before: if you have no technical background I'd recommend not to all of a sudden try learning compiling. | 01:00 |
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| ojpzdp | Andre__ i know but i need read ntfs, is there some other easier solution? or some other way? | 01:02 |
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| andre__ | ojpzdp, not that I know | 01:02 |
| gabrbedd | ojpzdp: No, there is not. Not with MeeGo. | 01:02 |
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| ojpzdp | ... | 01:06 |
| ojpzdp | i need somthing that solved teh ntfs | 01:07 |
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| ojpzdp | andre__ i read in the meego formus that i need somethins libraries | 01:12 |
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| ojpzdp | yum install gcc flex bison make diffutils glib2-devel pango-devel cairo-devel wget gcc-c++ fribidi* *hal*dev* libXpm* libXt* moz* | 01:12 |
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| HiroPro | hello #meego!! | 01:29 |
| HiroPro | Possible to ask a Q or two? | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | you've just asked one. What's the other? ;-) | 01:30 |
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| HiroPro | lol | 01:33 |
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| andres__ | hi | 04:28 |
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| andres__ | i need help | 04:28 |
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| andres__ | i have ttwo problems with meego | 04:28 |
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| andres__ | 1. adobe flash in chromium.. dont work 2. command yum dont work | 04:29 |
| berndhs | use zypper instead of yum | 04:29 |
| andres__ | berndhs how use zypper? | 04:30 |
| berndhs | it does the same things that yum does | 04:30 |
| berndhs | syntax very similar | 04:30 |
| andres__ | thx zypper its works :) | 04:32 |
| berndhs | its faster too | 04:32 |
| gabrbedd | andres__: http://wiki.meego.com/Zypper | 04:33 |
| gabrbedd | andres__: and http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Zypper_usage | 04:34 |
| gabrbedd | (in case you need help getting to sleep) | 04:34 |
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| andres___ | berndhs and the problem with chromium and flash | 04:36 |
| berndhs | i dont know, I avoid websites with flash and write them angry emails | 04:36 |
| gabrbedd | andres__: The flash plugin is installed in a folder.... but... | 04:37 |
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| gabrbedd | andres__: it looks like chromium isn't looking in that folder. | 04:37 |
| gabrbedd | I ran into this the other day. | 04:38 |
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| gabrbedd | I'll bet someone has a bug on it... | 04:38 |
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| andres___ | there will be some solution to avoid having to squeeze every page "run this time" | 04:39 |
| gabrbedd | "run this time" ? | 04:39 |
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| andres___ | when I open a page that contains flash, I said that Pugin is blocked by that is out of date, and gives me the option to add or update this time run | 04:41 |
| * gabrbedd didn't find the bug... but I found *that* bug | 04:41 | |
| gabrbedd | bug 15481 | 04:42 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15481 nor, Medium, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, [REG][chromium]Flash plug-in is out of date | 04:42 |
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| andres___ | cuando bajo manualmente me da un error al instalarlo | 04:43 |
| andres___ | when under manual gives me an error when installing | 04:44 |
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| andres___ | solution of chrome and flahs please | 04:56 |
| berndhs | andres___: when you find out, let me know :) | 04:57 |
| beford | es un problema de flash, te toca esperar que lo adobe saque uno nuevo. no es un problema en meego/chrome | 04:58 |
| andres___ | Beford no hay alguna posibilidad de vovler a un flash anterior? | 04:58 |
| andres___ | hasa encontrado alguna solución tu? | 04:59 |
| beford | el problema no es un flash anterior, el problema es que por seguridad chrome no esta corriendo el plugin desactualizado. Intenta lo que dicen en el bug 15481 segun el post de alli, instalando ese RPM le arregla el problema | 04:59 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15481 nor, Medium, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, [REG][chromium]Flash plug-in is out of date | 05:00 |
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| andres___ | beford tu has podido isntalar ese plugin??? | 05:24 |
| andres___ | no puedo | 05:24 |
| beford | no tengo un pc con meego ahora para probar | 05:25 |
| andres___ | voy intentar otra vez | 05:25 |
| andres___ | otra duda, no sabes como instalar el plugin de gmail para conferencia de video dentro de gmail | 05:26 |
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| gabrbedd | andres___ Yo ha instalando el plugin de gmail, pero el no obra. | 05:29 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 07:47 |
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| deepa1 | hi | 08:00 |
| deepa1 | unable to register new account at https://meego.com/user/register | 08:00 |
| deepa1 | is the website down? is there alternate site? | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | deepa1: what error do you get? | 08:01 |
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| deepa1 | Stskeeps, Error 113 net::ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH) Unknown error | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | deepa1: what browser? | 08:02 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, tried in firefox and chrome | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | page seems to work for me, so | 08:02 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, which browser are you using | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | tested with chrome | 08:03 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, in chrome the registration page comes up, when i enter details and submit i get the above error. | 08:03 |
| dm8tbr | works for me too in Firefox 4 | 08:03 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, in firefox the website itself does not come up | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | deepa1: odd - if you're able to, file a bug on bugs.meego.com somehow | 08:04 |
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| Stskeeps | or mail to meego-it@ | 08:04 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, actually i want to file a bug and hence want to create an account and it fails | 08:04 |
| dm8tbr | ah, the suddenly famous mailing list ;) | 08:04 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, please give the full mail id? | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | lists.meego.com , subscribe there | 08:05 |
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| deepa1 | Stskeeps, sorry but the credentials supplied through lists.meego subscription is not accepted in bugs.meego.com | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | deepa1: yes, it's seperate :) then you can send a mail to meego-it@ there seems to be an odd issue | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | because you can't file a bug for it (please state that) | 08:16 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, are you able to register account thru https://meego.com/user/register ? | 08:16 |
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| deepa1 | thru chrome | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | deepa1: i already have an account so i'd rather not test that right now :) | 08:17 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, meego-it@meego.com is the email? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | you can subscribe using lists.meego.com | 08:17 |
| deepa1 | Stskeeps, thanks | 08:17 |
| gabrbedd | deepa1: Check the time in your system. | 08:17 |
| gabrbedd | If you clock is way off, i've seen it cause that problem. | 08:17 |
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| S3ri0 | hello fellow meegos | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 08:43 |
| S3ri0 | mis ameegos | 08:43 |
| S3ri0 | lol | 08:43 |
| S3ri0 | so i do have a meego exopc | 08:43 |
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| S3ri0 | any one else? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but haven't gotten to use it much yet | 08:44 |
| S3ri0 | did u get it at the deve conference? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | i got it at one of the appup labs, or rather loaned | 08:44 |
| S3ri0 | yeah thats where i got mine | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | so what do you plan on doing with it? | 08:45 |
| S3ri0 | well....i've been studiying the OS and what do u think about it? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's interesting - the fan is a bit of a downer, but i like it as a development kit | 08:47 |
| S3ri0 | Its pretty bare right now | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | quite a lot of possibilities | 08:47 |
| S3ri0 | true from the dev side | 08:47 |
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| S3ri0 | the key board doesnt show up in the terminal | 08:50 |
| S3ri0 | you have to connect an external | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, terminal on screen keyboards are always difficult | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | i think it'll come eventually | 08:50 |
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| S3ri0 | yeah and i dont think they have the sdk ready for linux yet | 08:50 |
| S3ri0 | they have it listed on their site | 08:51 |
| S3ri0 | but i recall reading something about that | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | well, not so much that it isn't ready.. they took it down because it destroyed people's operating systems by accident ;) | 08:52 |
| S3ri0 | what do u mean? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | means it by accident ran some package manager commands that weren't good | 08:53 |
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| S3ri0 | I like linux...some of my friends installed windows others ubuntu | 08:54 |
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| S3ri0 | it needs to be operable to where its in a way functional | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - just remember it's a development device :) | 08:55 |
| S3ri0 | true and i take that as a free pass to program it any way i want | 08:56 |
| S3ri0 | just givin a heads up on the default condition | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:56 |
| S3ri0 | alright im out. | 08:57 |
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| deepa1 | hi g++ rpm is not there in zypper ? stable version? | 09:32 |
| deepa1 | 1.1.99.5.20110501.2 | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | morn andre__ | 09:38 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, morning! | 09:41 |
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| cbshao | hi | 10:47 |
| cbshao | hi lbt | 10:47 |
| cbshao | i want to set up an account from build.meego.com | 10:48 |
| cbshao | so could you help me? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | cbshao: not right guy for that :) please read http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started | 10:49 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 10:56 |
| * lcuk grabs http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.5.20110501.2.DE.2011-05-04.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/ | 10:56 | |
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| windyuan | hi lbt/X-Fade | 11:34 |
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| X-Fade | windyuan: hi | 11:34 |
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| windyuan | I'm a meego developer, Can I have a account in build.meego.com | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | windyuan: No. | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 11:35 |
| windyuan | why? | 11:35 |
| alterego | Think you mean pub obs :P | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | windyuan: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started | 11:35 |
| * arfoll senses the need for a topic change | 11:35 | |
| alterego | So ... | 11:35 |
| alterego | That Qt/Qml thread is interesting .. | 11:36 |
| w00t_ | alterego: I aim to please.. | 11:36 |
| w00t_ | :P | 11:36 |
| alterego | ;) | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hmm that needs a note about the differences between core and pub obs. | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | windyuan: What are you developing? | 11:37 |
| windyuan | I need to build some source and test on some devices. but I can't find how to get a build account | 11:37 |
| lbt | FYI http://wiki.meego.com/OBS explains thinks Stskeeps | 11:38 |
| windyuan | for meego media middleware | 11:38 |
| lbt | windyuan: is this for your job ? | 11:38 |
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| X-Fade | windyuan: build.meego.com is only for people working on official meego components. | 11:38 |
| * lbt wanders off :) | 11:39 | |
| X-Fade | windyuan: For developing against these components or app developments you should use the community obs or build.pub.meego.com | 11:39 |
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| windyuan | lbt: yes, it's for my job. | 11:40 |
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| lbt | windyuan: and is it opensource code? | 11:40 |
| alterego | Someone is planning on "shipping" something in two weeks | 11:41 |
| windyuan | sure, all is meego middleware source code. | 11:41 |
| alterego | Or is that the 1.2 "shipping" date .. | 11:41 |
| alterego | Interwesting | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: 1.2 release date | 11:42 |
| lbt | windyuan: OK - so you can work on the community OBS :) .... but you're probably aiming to get a 'proper' account at some point | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: the freeze is way before that | 11:42 |
| lbt | windyuan: what's your meego.com username? | 11:42 |
| windyuan | I'm a developer in Intel meego team to fix some bugs or features in on meego middleware. | 11:43 |
| arfoll | windyuan, are you working on meego tv stuff? | 11:43 |
| windyuan | feng.yuan@intel.com | 11:43 |
| windyuan | no. on tablet. | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | windyuan: then you need to follow the procedure in the url i gave you | 11:43 |
| lbt | yep - but if you want your community account enabling ... just say and that's OK too | 11:44 |
| lbt | windyuan: meh - I enabled it anyhow. Make sure you read Stskeeps' url | 11:45 |
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| windyuan | everyone have the build.pub.meego.com | 11:45 |
| windyuan | everyone has the account of build.pub.meego.com if he/she registered in meego.com? | 11:46 |
| alterego | windyuan: for x months I believe yeah. | 11:46 |
| alterego | x not being 10 but some variable number I don't know off the top of my head :) | 11:47 |
| lbt | windyuan: yes - but it needs to be enabled | 11:47 |
| windyuan | thanks lbt, stskeeps and all you guys. do I have the account on build.pub.meego.com? | 11:47 |
| lbt | windyuan: you do | 11:47 |
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| windyuan | thanks a lot. | 11:48 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hi! I'm trying to run startmeego-debug-tablet in Xephyr, and it seems to run just fine. The lock screen appears initially, but then it disappears after a second or two. The problem is that, afterwards, when I try to click on any of the applications, or I try to drag the panels around or pretty much anything, the mouse seems to not work. | 13:11 |
| _|Nix|_ | Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | _|Nix|_, hmm not personally heard anything of the like | 13:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | good morning guys | 13:17 |
| lcuk | bug check for bugs | 13:17 |
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| _|Nix|_ | lcuk: Could it be because I don't have hardware acceleration? I have a i915 card, but I can only use the vesa driver in X :( | 13:18 |
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| vvaltone | unless they've fixed the permissions in that setup, it's a scary prospect to run a lot of stuff as root on the host native | 13:19 |
| lcuk | _|Nix|_, dunno | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: what's the problem? | 13:20 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: I can't click on any UI element in Xephyr :( | 13:21 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: ... and I can't drag any of the panels. | 13:22 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: I'm trying to get to the settings UI. | 13:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: ah, probably some fault in xephyr :S | 13:23 |
| vvaltone | try looking at /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch | 13:23 |
| vvaltone | it defines some x opts there | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: make a bugreport | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: and try to launch it on a different display, without xephyr, maybe that will work | 13:24 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: Aha - in a real X display ... not a bad idea ... | 13:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 13:26 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: Unfortunately, a second X doesn't seem to work :( | 13:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | :( | 13:28 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: It seems to run just fine, but the X cursor never appears :( | 13:28 |
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| vvaltone | _|Nix|_, remove the xopts in /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch | 13:31 |
| vvaltone | the tablet versions specifically disable cursor | 13:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: since the ux is touch-optimized, no wonder it hides the cursor | 13:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | I think you can show it with some script | 13:41 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: The problem is not that the cursor is invisible, the problem is that it doesn't react to clicks at all. | 13:42 |
| _|Nix|_ | vvaltone: That didn't help, unfortunately. | 13:42 |
| vvaltone | oh, ok | 13:42 |
| vvaltone | I only quickly tried running it in xephyr but the fact that it binds the dev and the host filesystem into the chroot and runs everything as root made me not use it | 13:43 |
| vvaltone | but it did work back then | 13:43 |
| vvaltone | some of the early tablet releases iirc | 13:44 |
| _|Nix|_ | vvaltone: Right ... | 13:44 |
| _|Nix|_ | Well, what the heck ... I'll try running it as root :-S | 13:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: so you're saying that it won't react either, even if you run it on a real x display? | 13:45 |
| _|Nix|_ | Also, the fact that it only seems to work once, after which I have to log out of my X session and log back in doesn't help matters either ... | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | timoph, this script you mentioned, has it been tested? | 13:46 |
| timoph | lcuk: my installer script? | 13:47 |
| lcuk | yea | 13:47 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: Exactly. I ran it on a real X display like so: X :1 -ac & ... no X cursor. startmeego-debug-tablet ... shows up ... kill it by logging out of the mic-chroot ... log back into the chroot and run it again ... it shows up with a cursor, although clicking on stuff still doesn't work ... terminate it by killing the chroot ... computer useless because the backlight turns off and I can't turn it back on :( | 13:47 |
| timoph | testing is ongoing with it | 13:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: :((( | 13:48 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: Lovely, eh? | 13:48 |
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| lcuk | timoph, cool | 13:48 |
| timoph | I'm planning to make it available and document it during this week | 13:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | _|Nix|_: not exactly the word I had in mind, but yeah... | 13:48 |
| _|Nix|_ | If only I could get my real, desktop X to work properly, with hardware acceleration 'n all ... | 13:49 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Found a recent bug at bugzilla.redhat.com and duplicated that (because they don't have "reopen") but I haven't gotten anywhere with it ... :-S | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | does anybody have a qml app available to test against bug 16894? | 14:20 |
| lcuk | on the meego-de | 14:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16894 cri, High, ---, janne.a.hamalainen, NEW, [DE]Qml apps fail to launch | 14:20 |
| lcuk | because that bug is top of the "top 10 release blocker bugs" section of http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | alterego, do you happen to know where I can find a couple of simple qml apps? | 14:23 |
| Venemo | does the package desktop-file-utils exist in MeeGo? | 14:25 |
| Venemo | lcuk, maybe http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qdeclarativeexamples.html ? | 14:25 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.5.20110501.2.DE.2011-05-04.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance-1.1.99.5.20110501.2.DE.2011-05-04.1.packages | 14:26 |
| lcuk | according to that Venemo, yes. | 14:26 |
| Venemo | thank you lcuk :) | 14:27 |
| alterego | lcuk: erm, for meego? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | yeah alterego, read the bug | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | I am just charging my device up atm so don't have it booted | 14:28 |
| lcuk | but was reviewing some bugs | 14:28 |
| alterego | lcuk: I think you can get the qml examples | 14:28 |
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| alterego | Yeah, that bug affects all Qt based apps, not specifically Qml | 14:28 |
| alterego | My dialer is qml and it uses MTF to bootstrap so is unaffected | 14:29 |
| alterego | I'm suprised it's not fixed yet, it's supposed to be an issue wiith the theme bridge | 14:29 |
| lcuk | do you use qt-creator to design and test it? | 14:29 |
| alterego | No | 14:29 |
| lcuk | how do you dev then? | 14:30 |
| alterego | gedit to design, N900 or qmlviewer on desktop to test | 14:30 |
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| alterego | I have some gedit bindings that auto run in qmlviewer | 14:30 |
| lcuk | cool | 14:30 |
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| alterego | Never really got to grips with wysiwyg | 14:31 |
| alterego | I think my biggest gripe is messy code :P | 14:31 |
| lcuk | that is typical | 14:31 |
| alterego | You could just launch qmlviewer on its' own and it'll segfault without -style plastique | 14:32 |
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| alterego | Ah, this looks like a different issue, the segfault is fixed but startup is missing an env var | 14:33 |
| alterego | To tell qt to use meegotouch theme (or summink) :) | 14:34 |
| alterego | I remember someone mentioning this fix the other day | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | yeah most likely | 14:34 |
| lbt | thiago: ping ... | 14:34 |
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| thiago | lbt: pong | 14:43 |
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| Debolaz | What's the current state of MeeGo? | 14:45 |
| lbt | thiago: msg | 14:46 |
| Cherrot | Debolaz: Foucus on 1.2 release? | 14:46 |
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| * Debolaz is just curious, because since february, I haven't heard much buzzing. | 14:48 | |
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| vvaltone | was it the tablet ux code drop or before? | 14:53 |
| vvaltone | I guess that's one buzzing | 14:54 |
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| lbt | Debolaz: MeeGo Summit in finland was great ... heads down now for the next release and the SF Summit | 14:54 |
| lbt | plus huge amounts happening on all the irc channels.... I think you just hang out in uncool places ;) | 14:55 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Venemo: It seems that you do indeed need to run as root :( | 15:07 |
| Venemo | _|Nix|_, that is ridiculous | 15:07 |
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| vvaltone | and scary, as I said | 15:10 |
| Venemo | _|Nix|_, it's still worth a bugreport in my opinion. | 15:11 |
| Venemo | an SDK should not require its users to run it as root. | 15:11 |
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| __key__ | sup | 17:27 |
| __key__ | ? | 17:28 |
| __key__ | dead in here huh | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 17:28 |
| __key__ | wh00p | 17:28 |
| * __key__ is just tryin to figure out what meego is | 17:28 | |
| Stskeeps | www.meego.com | 17:29 |
| __key__ | a little help please... | 17:29 |
| Debolaz | A Linux distribution..? :) | 17:29 |
| __key__ | oh, nice domain | 17:29 |
| __key__ | linux distribution... like centos ? | 17:29 |
| __key__ | or more like debian/ubunutu | 17:29 |
| __key__ | ? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | go read meego.com :) | 17:29 |
| Debolaz | It has more in common with CentOS than Debian. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | it explains it better | 17:29 |
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| __key__ | so, redhat ? | 17:30 |
| gabrbedd | more like android | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | __key__: could you explain to me why you used to be on the ban list here? | 17:30 |
| __key__ | more like android huh | 17:30 |
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| __key__ | so, meego for my iPhone ? | 17:30 |
| __key__ | Stskeeps: huh? | 17:30 |
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| __key__ | can't a guy troll a little? | 17:31 |
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| leinir | ehrm... no, no he can't ;) | 17:31 |
| * Stskeeps has a good memory for trolls | 17:31 | |
| andre__ | hehe | 17:31 |
| gabrbedd | Like a cobra about to strike, Stskeeps takes up chanop status | 17:31 |
| leinir | gabrbedd: damn you! *fistshakes* i just read that with Attenborough's voice ;) | 17:32 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 17:32 |
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| anidel | Jaffa: I can't seem to be able to edit the Flight Info wiki page. I do login, but whenever I go back to the page it always says I'm not logged in? | 17:34 |
| w00t_ | anidel: login on meego.com, not the wiki | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | log out at meego.com, log back in | 17:35 |
| anidel | ok | 17:35 |
| w00t_ | (i still firmly believe SSO should either work and be used everywhere, or not at all) | 17:35 |
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| anidel | ah cool | 17:35 |
| anidel | works | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, yes. | 17:36 |
| w00t_ | build.meego.com also doesn't use SSO, and probably should. build.pub.m.c manages somehow. | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: i might be ignorant, but at least for the lib*'s, it should be picked up with the automatically generated .so references shouldn't it? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | in Requires: | 18:43 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, possibly, i got tired of people not being able to install my packages because this or that wouldn't get picked up automatically so I put some basics down | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | true | 18:45 |
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| arfoll | thing is my package actualyl worked on meego 1.0/wetab/1.1/amino meego and 1.2 | 18:45 |
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| MarcA-N | LAST CHANCE! The MeeGo San Francisco conference planning committee is seeking to feature select quotes/phrases on conference signage. Please help us make this a community centric event! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T6P5C8H | 19:08 |
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| mikhas | I am currently rather frustrated with MeeGo, perhaps best to not participate in that survey | 19:15 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Ping? | 19:17 |
| mortenmj | mikhas: why? state your opinion, even if it isn't just sunshine and kittens | 19:17 |
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| DawnFoster | hey dneary | 19:17 |
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| andre__ | mortenmj, heavy-weight processes. | 19:20 |
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| mikhas | exactly | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | which issue in particular? | 19:22 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: probably meego 1.2 shipping a broken gtk+ input method bridge | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | the package was last updated in aug 2010, there is a defined release process at http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Timeline | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | so, the question is rather why noone has been maintaining the package if it's important now | 19:27 |
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| mikhas | if you're unhappy with the current VKB in tablet UX, check the screenshots in https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16992 and vote | 19:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16992 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, Virtual keyboard uses suboptimal theming in MeeGo Tablet UX | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: assignee is wrong, i think it's cyrene you should get in touch with | 19:30 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, the question is rather who defines risks for stuff like *plugins* that change no API. in every other community common sense would have quickly agreed to include that fix | 19:30 |
| mikhas | here, I need to wrestle with architects who dont like a changelog message | 19:31 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, so, the process has a point, because things were absolutely chaos in the past compared to this to the extent it was damn close to slipping on release day | 19:32 |
| mikhas | but sure, stick to your processes and watch how the failboat sinks | 19:32 |
| mikhas | </angry> | 19:32 |
| mikhas | I get food now | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | because of people simply putting every single fix in and well, crap broke :) | 19:32 |
| mikhas | you cannot prevent chaos in real open communities | 19:32 |
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| mikhas | strictness on processes will kill outside contributions | 19:33 |
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| mikhas | and then you only have wage slages left working on MeeGo core stuff | 19:33 |
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| mikhas | *slaves | 19:33 |
| w00t_ | are you telling me that no other distribution has a freeze process for releases? | 19:33 |
| mikhas | no, I am not saying that | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you're saying exactly that | 19:33 |
| mikhas | they are less strict with that | 19:33 |
| akk | Most other distros also have problems with bugs that go unfixed for long periods. | 19:34 |
| arfoll | 1.2 freeze hasn't been that strict IMO | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind that the final rc image is actually coming out within the next 7 days | 19:34 |
| w00t_ | arfoll: given that the release was delayed altogether, i'd say it's been quite lax | 19:34 |
| andre__ | mikhas, errm, well. I can only speak for GNOME, but we have 1 or 2 weeks hardcode freeze before the major release and everybody can ask the release-team for an exception. and I must admit: I don't know how the process for this is in MeeGo. | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: it's fairly simple really - if you have a bug, you request that it's a blocker, without a blocker bug, you don't get into the release | 19:35 |
| andre__ | and who decides on blocker bugs? and how fast? I've seen mostly only jukka.eklund deciding I think... | 19:36 |
| w00t_ | jukka is only for DE blockers, I think you'll find | 19:36 |
| w00t_ | (de being a 'vendor' using meego, not meego proper) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: so, for 1.1, it was called CCB (change control board) which is a mix of architecture, release engineering, marketing, etc, deciding if it truely is a release blocker | 19:37 |
| andre__ | w00t_, I think I mostly track DE tickets, true :) | 19:37 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, is that list of people documented with "blocker decision" powers? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: generally it's the product manager (i think) setting it | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | for example gavin for core | 19:38 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, that's also my idea. | 19:38 |
| andre__ | now I wonder if we have a list of product managers somewhere available. | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | it's on governance page | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | of course, who knows how accurate that one is anymore | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | Rolla wrote up the process somewhere, i just can't find it right now | 19:39 |
| andre__ | this might have all been stuff I should probably know, but I didn't. maybe I should check documenting it... | 19:39 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Timeline/Branching_phase | 19:39 |
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| andre__ | hmm, I often have the feeling to get lost in wiki subsubpages in this project... ;-/ | 19:40 |
| andre__ | I'll take a look | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | generally being on meego-releases@ helps a lot (collab list for RE and QA, so you should be on there..) | 19:40 |
| andre__ | uh. yes, I should, but I lost track of mailing lists and IRC channel merges and moves... :) | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | we do also have update releases | 19:47 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know the difference between WM_ICON_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME ?? (X11 question) | 20:59 |
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| gabrbedd | Seems to me the same thing with 2 different protocols. :-/ | 21:00 |
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| andyross | gabrbedd: my reading of the ICCCM and wm-spec agrees, but the newer _NET variants explicitly specify UTF-8, where the original is silent on encoding. | 21:16 |
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| gabrbedd | andyross: Ah. That makes more sense. | 21:18 |
| gabrbedd | andyross: I'm dealing with a closed source app that doesn't set the _NET stuff, which is causing problems with the MeeGo UX. | 21:19 |
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| andyross | gabrbedd: Indeed, grepping the source it looks like meego-ux-daemon is reading _NET_WM_ICON_NAME, but not falling back to WM_ICON_NAME if it's unset. That's a wm-spec violation. Can you submit to bugzilla? | 21:22 |
| gabrbedd | andyross: already did... and working on a patch. | 21:22 |
| andyross | Even better. :) | 21:22 |
| gabrbedd | but 17002 | 21:23 |
| gabrbedd | bug 17002 | 21:23 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17002 maj, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, meego-ux-daemon can't manage apps that don't set _NET_WM_PID | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | lbt, is the joggler .ks file available somewhere, I have a feeling I need to put a fully working prototype together. | 22:37 |
| lcuk | http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo ahh | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/joggler/netbook/ | 22:47 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 22:48 |
| lbt | lcuk: linked off the wiki page iirc | 22:52 |
| lcuk | lbt, ta I will get this netbook one and see if I can get it on the network and whether it runs qt apps | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | lbt, where about is your latest shopper? I see it on maemo garage from 2008, have you put it onto obs anywhere? | 23:02 |
| lbt | ha | 23:02 |
| lbt | like I have time for a hobby? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | ok, baseline "lbt's shopper goes here" placeholder? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | or "[ ] shopper" onto the shopping list! :P | 23:04 |
| lcuk | this with real calendar shopping todo photos in qml: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/conceptual-meego-tablet-ui-pictures/ | 23:05 |
| lcuk | the other panels have been done | 23:05 |
| lcuk | as seen on videos somewhere | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | i wonder if vlad is going to make omweather to bring that panel to life? | 23:10 |
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| * lcuk loolbt, when you stop running and screaming, have you considered how to get shopping list data between your and denises devices? | 23:14 | |
| lcuk | -/me loo | 23:14 |
| lcuk | lbt ^ | 23:14 |
| lcuk | food for thought \o nn | 23:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | we're actually thinking on how to do this with LinuxMCE. | 23:16 |
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| Kypeli_ | I'd like to build MeeGo UX Components on Ubuntu. Where can I install the dependencies from? Do I need a full MeeGo SDK installation to do this? | 23:46 |
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