| *** ware1 has quit IRC | 00:00 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 00:00 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego | 00:00 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego | 00:00 | |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: people think meego = netbook ux.. | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| *** Richrd has quit IRC | 00:05 | |
| *** Guest15384 has quit IRC | 00:07 | |
| *** amarsman_nl has quit IRC | 00:08 | |
| *** marciom has quit IRC | 00:10 | |
| *** OviQ2G has quit IRC | 00:11 | |
| *** OviQ2G has joined #meego | 00:11 | |
| *** mkeir has quit IRC | 00:12 | |
| *** thiagoss has joined #meego | 00:12 | |
| *** mkeir has joined #meego | 00:13 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC | 00:13 | |
| *** javiF has joined #meego | 00:14 | |
| *** vgrade has quit IRC | 00:14 | |
| *** vgrade has joined #meego | 00:15 | |
| *** lcuk2 has joined #meego | 00:15 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 00:15 | |
| *** amarsman_nl has joined #meego | 00:15 | |
| *** phako has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| *** lolloo has joined #meego | 00:16 | |
| *** phako has joined #meego | 00:16 | |
| *** jpe has quit IRC | 00:18 | |
| *** hugopl has quit IRC | 00:18 | |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 00:19 | |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 00:19 | |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: yeah, that's the other part.... :-) Probably a carry-over from something that made sense in the Moblin days. | 00:20 |
| *** Atarii has quit IRC | 00:20 | |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: it was also the whole debacle of smeegol | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:20 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Yep. MeeGo bears some blame for the confusion, though, because the MTF had "MeeGo" in the name. Live an learn. :-) | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: i have a bug open related to that :P | 00:25 |
| *** Venemo has joined #meego | 00:25 | |
| *** jespada has quit IRC | 00:26 | |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: do you expect an MTF in 1.3? | 00:26 |
| w00t_ | given what arjan said on meego-dev today, I doubt it | 00:26 |
| *** lynxis has quit IRC | 00:26 | |
| w00t_ | (may it rest in pieces) | 00:26 |
| alterego | What a waste of development time. | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://greenprinter.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/office-space.jpg comes to mind | 00:28 |
| * w00t_ tries to not say "I told you so" and fails | 00:28 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego: bug 11105 | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | err | 00:28 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11105 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, ASSI, Lack of separate trademark policy regarding project generated (MeeGo <something>) software | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: | 00:28 |
| alterego | :) | 00:28 |
| Venemo | [23:26] <w00t_> given what arjan said on meego-dev today, I doubt it -> link please? | 00:28 |
| * Stskeeps still hopes we'll be able to throw out x dependancy too | 00:29 | |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: +1 | 00:29 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: moment | 00:29 |
| alterego | I watched that film only a week ago :) | 00:29 |
| *** anaZ has quit IRC | 00:29 | |
| w00t_ | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-May/482893.html | 00:29 |
| Venemo | hm | 00:30 |
| Venemo | I thought all of the Handset UX is based on MTF | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | probably most of that getting ditched | 00:30 |
| Venemo | eg. meegotouch-home and stuff | 00:30 |
| Venemo | hm | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | and replaced with the phablet ux | 00:30 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: the road ahead is http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux | 00:30 |
| *** anaZ has joined #meego | 00:30 | |
| alterego | They already have replacements in the tablet ux | 00:30 |
| alterego | Which I think is his point | 00:30 |
| Venemo | heh | 00:31 |
| Venemo | so the entire handset ux was a waste of developer hours? | 00:31 |
| berndhs | i thought MTF was announced as deprecated a year ago | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: yes, except some people kept on develop using it | 00:31 |
| alterego | Venemo: pretty much, though it is the basis of Harmatten | 00:31 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: yeah, that was part of the problem. MTF was both a system and a user framework, and not a part of MeeGo Core. | 00:31 |
| Venemo | alterego, hahah, Harmattan sucks already. | 00:32 |
| alterego | I think Harmatten will be great | 00:32 |
| alterego | But very short lived :) | 00:32 |
| w00t_ | Harmattan has mature components, which is good | 00:32 |
| alterego | And hopefully replacably completely my MeeGo :) | 00:32 |
| gabrbedd | (by user framework, I mean user-application framework) | 00:32 |
| Venemo | heheh | 00:32 |
| *** lynxis has joined #meego | 00:33 | |
| w00t_ | screw harmattan, meego's where the fun is at | 00:34 |
| w00t_ | :P | 00:34 |
| gabrbedd | The MTF also gave outsiders the impression that /this/ was the mechanism to have multi-touch in MeeGo -- thus the interest since XInput 2 was far from being added to X11. | 00:34 |
| *** pcacjr_ has joined #meego | 00:36 | |
| gabrbedd | So some were surprised to find that you simply use Qt to get your multi-touch events, and that you didn't really need the MTF to do multi-touch on MeeGo. | 00:36 |
| gabrbedd | (This should probably go on a FAQ somewhere...) | 00:36 |
| *** DawnFoster has joined #meego | 00:37 | |
| *** Shinato has quit IRC | 00:38 | |
| *** Shinato has joined #meego | 00:38 | |
| Stskeeps | or just take a deep breath, be happy 1.2 is soon out and get to make 1.3 even better | 00:38 |
| * Stskeeps is proud to have a ARM release coming with zero fails-to-build-from-source packages. | 00:39 | |
| Venemo | w00t_ ++ | 00:39 |
| berndhs | if people havent noticed the deprecatedness over the last year, they wont find it in the FAQ | 00:39 |
| *** argretzi has joined #meego | 00:40 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, congrats :) | 00:40 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: i really think we need to think what we can do to fix quality for 1.3 though | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: i personally think the large amount of qa people hired from nokia to intel should help matters :P | 00:40 |
| *** mpoirier has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, intel hired people from Nokia? | 00:41 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: yes :) | 00:41 |
| Venemo | how very nice of them | 00:41 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Yeah, but it's faster to type the URL for a FAQ. :-) | 00:41 |
| berndhs | perhaps also the newly joined vendors will help | 00:41 |
| *** mmc has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| Venemo | I still don't 100% get what Intel gains from all of this. | 00:41 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Yeah, I'll probably be focused on 1.2 for a while longer. That's a make-or-break release for us. | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: :nod: i think 1.2 has many good things | 00:42 |
| berndhs | Intel gains market share in little bitty mobile devices | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | while we go on and break 1.3 | 00:42 |
| *** arfoll_ has quit IRC | 00:42 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: check my talk/video on http://summit.meegonetwork.fi/speaker/carsten-munk and that pretty much illustrates why it makes sense to hang around meego :P | 00:43 |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 00:43 | |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: agreed. :-) Hopefully I get to fix mine after you break everything I've done. :-p | 00:43 |
| gabrbedd | (meaning success!!) | 00:44 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. just sayin' that Intel could have followed a different course of action. | 00:44 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, but of course I'm glad they did what they did :) | 00:44 |
| * Stskeeps looks forward to triple-arch meego (x86, arm, mips) | 00:45 | |
| Venemo | how 'bout x86_64? | 00:46 |
| Venemo | btw Stskeeps, you have an outdated version of OOo | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: wasn't my pc | 00:47 |
| *** andredieb has left #meego | 00:47 | |
| Venemo | ok :P | 00:47 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, you have a very good pronounciation in English, but the audio quality of the video could be better. | 00:48 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: Yeah, I've been wanting to play with Atom x86_64 for a while... just hasn't been important enough. It only benefits in a few situations. | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | i thought audio was fairly good, there were worse videos ;) | 00:49 |
| *** lynxis has quit IRC | 00:49 | |
| Venemo | gabrbedd, most new netbooks come with x86_64 | 00:49 |
| alterego | It only really has benifits when playing with large numbers and handling large disks | 00:50 |
| Venemo | alterego, and handling 4GB RAM | 00:50 |
| alterego | Yes | 00:50 |
| alterego | Not sure we're at a stage were netbooks require 4G | 00:51 |
| alterego | Probably very close though | 00:51 |
| Venemo | depends on the usecase of the user. | 00:51 |
| berndhs | 4G RAM will be great for anti-aliasing fonts | 00:51 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: I know... ever since pinetrail... but it only helps iin large memory (not typ. in mobile), compiling code (not typ. in mobile), and encoding/decoding audio (typ. in mobile -- but not a compelling reason to go 64-bit) | 00:51 |
| alterego | berndhs: antialiasing everything :P | 00:51 |
| *** lamikr has quit IRC | 00:52 | |
| gabrbedd | I agree with alterego that mobile devices will want >4G in the near future. | 00:52 |
| *** piggz has quit IRC | 00:53 | |
| * Stskeeps is more into 'living off the land' type of mobile devices | 00:53 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, "living off the land"? | 00:53 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, aaah, I knew you wouldn't leave out the Corning video :P | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_foraging | 00:54 |
| Venemo | aah | 00:54 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, this is something similar to "cloud computing", isn't it? | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | cloud computing is such a bullshit term :) | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | but now i'm off to sleep | 00:55 |
| Venemo | okay, sleep well | 00:55 |
| *** MostafaDaneshvar has quit IRC | 00:55 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, you'll have my opinion about your talk tomorrow then :P | 00:56 |
| gabrbedd | good night, Mr. Keeps! | 00:56 |
| *** edisson has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| alterego | Heh | 00:56 |
| *** citn has quit IRC | 00:57 | |
| *** alvaro__ has quit IRC | 01:00 | |
| *** Vanadis__ has joined #meego | 01:02 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 01:02 | |
| *** pixelgeek has joined #meego | 01:02 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, you use the word 'whatever' way too many times :P | 01:03 |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 01:03 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 01:03 | |
| *** puffin has quit IRC | 01:04 | |
| alterego | whatever | 01:04 |
| lcuk2 | berndhs, alterego how will more memory allow AA everywhere | 01:04 |
| *** dani_l has quit IRC | 01:04 | |
| *** Vanadis has quit IRC | 01:05 | |
| Venemo | lcuk2, because then the computer will be able to remember the AA for everything | 01:05 |
| lcuk2 | Venemo, :) | 01:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, we could do frame caching | 01:05 |
| * alterego chuckles | 01:05 | |
| lcuk2 | AA is by definition merge with background | 01:05 |
| berndhs | if you can afford to waste memory, you can do a lot with table lookup instead of computation# | 01:06 |
| Venemo | (poor attempt on my part to replicate lcuk2's sense of humor) | 01:06 |
| alterego | AA is usually subsampling | 01:06 |
| alterego | Which requires a bit more memory :P | 01:06 |
| lcuk2 | alterego, and blending to the area | 01:06 |
| lcuk2 | you subsample and take weights of surrounding source and destination pixels into account | 01:06 |
| alterego | Well, it blends through subsampling | 01:06 |
| alterego | I've seen pretty good results from just subsampling | 01:07 |
| alterego | I was under the impression that is how AA worked for QML | 01:07 |
| lcuk2 | it also means that a clear well defined line on a high dpi device is actually fat | 01:07 |
| berndhs | oh, people will find something to do with more memory that looks useful | 01:07 |
| alterego | Virtualisation, | 01:08 |
| alterego | On a mobile | 01:08 |
| berndhs | maps | 01:08 |
| alterego | Work VM and Personal VM :) | 01:08 |
| lcuk2 | how about actually using most of it for user data :) | 01:08 |
| berndhs | maps data are big | 01:08 |
| lcuk2 | the biggest items are the object trees | 01:09 |
| *** dchaverri26 has quit IRC | 01:09 | |
| Venemo | lcuk2, what kind of object trees? | 01:09 |
| * lcuk2 would prefer faster memory access than more memory | 01:09 | |
| lcuk2 | Venemo, qt apps are one big object tree aren't they? | 01:09 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk2: Yes, I think 64-bit would benefit AA (if I understand you correctly) -- whether you're being a memory hog or not. | 01:09 |
| lcuk2 | qml trees | 01:09 |
| Venemo | lcuk2, ah, you mean qml. sure. | 01:10 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk2: There's probably other reasons why... but one of them being that fetch-add-and-store is a single instruction in 64-bit. | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | gabrbedd, 64bit mem access and registers would be nice in AA use because you can get more registers filled and data infront of the chip than normal | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | ;) | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | its like the other SIMD style instructions :P | 01:10 |
| alterego | Apparently my dialer is causing a kernel panick on iCDK :) | 01:11 |
| lcuk2 | but anyway, tis late \o gnite chaps | 01:11 |
| lcuk2 | oops al | 01:11 |
| lcuk2 | t | 01:11 |
| alterego | g'night lcuk2 | 01:11 |
| Venemo | good night lcuk2, sleep well :) | 01:11 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk2: Right, but when doing SIMD... fetch/add/store is still broken up a tad. | 01:11 |
| gabrbedd | ...in 32-bit. | 01:11 |
| berndhs | night | 01:11 |
| gabrbedd | g'night, lcuk2 \o. | 01:12 |
| *** eti has quit IRC | 01:12 | |
| *** dani_l has joined #meego | 01:12 | |
| *** anidel has quit IRC | 01:12 | |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, ping | 01:14 |
| *** dani_l has quit IRC | 01:16 | |
| *** dani_l has joined #meego | 01:17 | |
| *** mpoirier has joined #meego | 01:20 | |
| *** TibshoOT has quit IRC | 01:21 | |
| *** TibshoOT has joined #meego | 01:24 | |
| *** trx has quit IRC | 01:31 | |
| *** javiF has quit IRC | 01:34 | |
| *** trx has joined #meego | 01:36 | |
| *** ali1234 has quit IRC | 01:39 | |
| *** ketas has quit IRC | 01:39 | |
| *** smooph_ has quit IRC | 01:40 | |
| *** ali1234 has joined #meego | 01:42 | |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** ketas has joined #meego | 01:49 | |
| *** Moku has joined #meego | 01:50 | |
| *** Shinato has quit IRC | 01:50 | |
| *** gaveen has joined #meego | 01:52 | |
| *** Aranel has joined #meego | 01:52 | |
| *** toniher_casa has quit IRC | 01:54 | |
| *** lolloo has quit IRC | 02:04 | |
| *** ware1 has joined #meego | 02:05 | |
| *** sraue_ has joined #meego | 02:06 | |
| *** mpoirier has quit IRC | 02:06 | |
| *** sraue has quit IRC | 02:08 | |
| *** sraue_ has quit IRC | 02:16 | |
| *** sraue has joined #meego | 02:17 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 02:18 | |
| *** diegohcg has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| *** thiago_home has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| *** anidel has joined #meego | 02:24 | |
| *** fredy has quit IRC | 02:25 | |
| *** ali1234 has quit IRC | 02:26 | |
| *** ali1234 has joined #meego | 02:27 | |
| smoku | meego != netbook ux??! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r5OOf3Kvls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDGUKtoPUI :> | 02:27 |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 02:29 | |
| *** puffin has joined #meego | 02:30 | |
| Venemo | smoku, :D | 02:30 |
| Venemo | smoku, I now understand the strictness of the MeeGo branding | 02:31 |
| *** RodrigoPadula has joined #meego | 02:32 | |
| Venemo | anyway, I'm now going to sleep | 02:32 |
| Venemo | have a good night guys :) | 02:32 |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 02:32 | |
| *** Shanita has joined #meego | 02:33 | |
| *** Moku has quit IRC | 02:33 | |
| *** u19809 has joined #meego | 02:34 | |
| *** pixelgeek has quit IRC | 02:36 | |
| *** m1ght3th0r has quit IRC | 02:40 | |
| *** akk has quit IRC | 02:44 | |
| *** Diod has quit IRC | 02:48 | |
| *** ali1234 has quit IRC | 02:50 | |
| *** mwichmann has joined #meego | 02:50 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 02:50 | |
| *** Kaskuka has joined #meego | 02:51 | |
| *** Shanita has quit IRC | 02:51 | |
| *** puffin has quit IRC | 02:53 | |
| *** pmccarty has quit IRC | 02:53 | |
| *** anidel has quit IRC | 02:55 | |
| *** ali1234 has joined #meego | 02:56 | |
| *** anidel has joined #meego | 02:57 | |
| *** wasikevin has joined #meego | 02:58 | |
| *** ali1234 has quit IRC | 02:59 | |
| *** Shinato has joined #meego | 03:00 | |
| *** ali1234 has joined #meego | 03:00 | |
| *** Kaskuka has quit IRC | 03:00 | |
| *** kaawee has quit IRC | 03:03 | |
| *** araujo has quit IRC | 03:05 | |
| *** mortenvp has quit IRC | 03:06 | |
| *** araujo has joined #meego | 03:06 | |
| *** alpsxing has joined #meego | 03:13 | |
| *** anidel has quit IRC | 03:14 | |
| *** mer_ge has quit IRC | 03:15 | |
| *** DawnFoster has quit IRC | 03:16 | |
| *** raster has joined #meego | 03:17 | |
| *** sraue has quit IRC | 03:18 | |
| *** gabrbedd has quit IRC | 03:21 | |
| *** Aranel has quit IRC | 03:23 | |
| *** gaveen has quit IRC | 03:25 | |
| *** andredieb has joined #meego | 03:26 | |
| *** sraue has joined #meego | 03:26 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 03:28 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 03:29 | |
| *** Vanadis__ has quit IRC | 03:37 | |
| *** Vanadis__ has joined #meego | 03:38 | |
| *** wmarone has quit IRC | 03:47 | |
| *** ali1234 has quit IRC | 03:49 | |
| *** gemfield has joined #meego | 03:49 | |
| *** phunguy has quit IRC | 03:51 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 03:52 | |
| *** yanli has quit IRC | 03:53 | |
| *** phunguy has joined #meego | 03:56 | |
| *** wasikevin has quit IRC | 03:56 | |
| *** gemfield has quit IRC | 03:59 | |
| *** gemfield has joined #meego | 04:02 | |
| *** ali1234 has joined #meego | 04:02 | |
| *** beford has joined #meego | 04:05 | |
| *** DawnFoster has joined #meego | 04:06 | |
| *** lopotter has quit IRC | 04:07 | |
| *** lopotter has joined #meego | 04:08 | |
| *** gabrbedd has joined #meego | 04:14 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 04:15 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 04:16 | |
| *** akk has joined #meego | 04:18 | |
| *** yanli has joined #meego | 04:21 | |
| *** beford has quit IRC | 04:21 | |
| *** glin has joined #meego | 04:24 | |
| lbt | it's quiet at night | 04:27 |
| * w00t_ drops a pin | 04:27 | |
| * lbt picks it up and hands it back | 04:27 | |
| w00t_ | and all that day you'll have good luck, so i hear | 04:28 |
| lbt | I need it | 04:29 |
| *** wassupnari has joined #meego | 04:29 | |
| * gabrbedd considers dropping something | 04:31 | |
| gabrbedd | w00t_: lbt: You guys over here or something? Go to bed! :-p | 04:32 |
| lbt | soon | 04:32 |
| lbt | phaeron is making me work | 04:32 |
| gabrbedd | bad, phaeron! | 04:33 |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 04:33 | |
| lbt | ericlr: can't you sleep man? | 04:34 |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 04:37 | |
| lbt | sleep-ircing | 04:37 |
| gabrbedd | lol | 04:37 |
| *** Moku has joined #meego | 04:37 | |
| *** Shinato has quit IRC | 04:38 | |
| *** rpgdude has quit IRC | 04:38 | |
| *** rpgdude has joined #meego | 04:38 | |
| RodrigoPadula | Heelo guys, take a look here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=613411 | 04:39 |
| RodrigoPadula | Fedora will remove meego from the official repos | 04:39 |
| RodrigoPadula | I've sent a message about it to our meego-community mail list | 04:39 |
| gabrbedd | RodrigoPadula: I figured someone would have replied to your message by now. | 04:39 |
| gabrbedd | RodrigoPadula: What you're saying is a lot like saying "Fedora will remove Debian from the official repos" | 04:40 |
| lbt | *nod* | 04:40 |
| gabrbedd | I'm guessing that this started off as a Moblin/Mutter thing... and you guys tried to track it through MeeGo. | 04:40 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: but otoh ... MeeGo doesn't have a rational name for the UX layer | 04:41 |
| lbt | which is probably what's meant? | 04:41 |
| *** araujo has quit IRC | 04:41 | |
| * lbt -> bed | 04:41 | |
| lbt | o/ | 04:41 |
| gabrbedd | I think so, but I was waiting for him to respond before going there. :-) | 04:41 |
| gabrbedd | Good night, lbt! | 04:42 |
| berndhs | night lbt | 04:42 |
| RodrigoPadula | gabrbedd ??? | 04:43 |
| RodrigoPadula | fedora always had moblin into official repositories | 04:43 |
| *** araujo has joined #meego | 04:43 | |
| RodrigoPadula | later, we packaged meego software | 04:43 |
| *** ware1 has quit IRC | 04:44 | |
| *** glin has quit IRC | 04:44 | |
| RodrigoPadula | Fedora project has created some fedora remix with the meego user interface + some packages | 04:44 |
| RodrigoPadula | now, based on problems with package conflicts they will remove it | 04:45 |
| gabrbedd | When MeeGo was created, Moblin was cast into the "Netbook UX" -- and I'm guess that this is what you packaged. | 04:45 |
| RodrigoPadula | they are not interested to fix it | 04:45 |
| *** puffin has joined #meego | 04:45 | |
| *** glin has joined #meego | 04:46 | |
| gabrbedd | However, the other MeeGo UX's have nothing to do with gnome or Moblin or the Netbook UX. | 04:46 |
| gabrbedd | They have a totally different look and feel. | 04:46 |
| gabrbedd | Meanwhile, I've heard the decision-makers in MeeGo has saying that the Netbook UX has "no future." | 04:46 |
| gabrbedd | (And they've been acting that way for months) | 04:46 |
| RodrigoPadula | humm, now I got it | 04:46 |
| RodrigoPadula | Here are the complet list of Meego packages from Fedora 15 beta repositories | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | banshee-meego.i686 : Meego Support for the Banshee Media Framework | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-cursor-theme.noarch : MeeGo X cursors theme | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-applications.i686 : MeeGo Panel for launching Applications | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-datetime.i686 : MeeGo date and time panel | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-devices.i686 : Meego devices panel | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-myzone.i686 : MeeGo Panel for display of current social information | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-myzone-devel.i686 : Development package for meego-panel-myzone | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-pasteboard.i686 : MeeGo Panel for Paste Board | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-people.i686 : Meego Panel for People | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-status.i686 : Meego Panel for Social Network Status | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-status-devel.i686 : Development package for meego-panel-status | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-panel-zones.i686 : Meego zones panel | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | meego-sound-theme.noarch : MeeGo sound theme | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | mutter-meego.i686 : MeeGo Netbook UX plugin for Mutter | 04:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | mutter-meego-devel.i686 : Development package for mutter-meego | 04:47 |
| gabrbedd | I'm not in a Position of Authority... but I think the answer is: Thanks for the notice, but it's probably better that it dies. | 04:48 |
| gabrbedd | Yes, I know what the packages are :-) | 04:48 |
| RodrigoPadula | the conflicts are in the mutter-meego packages with GNOME3 mutter packages | 04:48 |
| w00t_ | RodrigoPadula: please don't paste large amounts of text on IRC | 04:48 |
| RodrigoPadula | gabrbedd, humm thanks by the information | 04:49 |
| berndhs | personally, I think the gnome3 people have been "inspired" by the meego netbook UX, or they share a common ancestor | 04:50 |
| RodrigoPadula | I'm new in the Meego area so I dont know the main goals by now, mainly since Nokia decided to use Windows | 04:50 |
| gabrbedd | RodrigoPadula: No problem. Hope it helps! | 04:50 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: hildon | 04:50 |
| gabrbedd | BTW, I was glad to hear that GNOME is switching to clutter/mutter... because I think it's really nice. | 04:50 |
| RodrigoPadula | berndhs, Meego, Unity and GNOME Shell shares some ideas/ usability issues | 04:51 |
| berndhs | yeah, I'll skip my ranting for today :) | 04:51 |
| RodrigoPadula | gabrbedd, Yes, the new window manager used is based on clutter | 04:51 |
| RodrigoPadula | the new GNOME interface, GNOME Shell is based on mutter/cluter + mozilla Js engine | 04:52 |
| gabrbedd | In MeeGo, /most/ of the UX's are using mcompositor for the WM. Netbook is using mutter (the moblin fork of clutter). And I think I heard that one of the UX's is using matchbox. | 04:53 |
| gabrbedd | MeeGo 1.3 remains to be seen as to what the dominant WM is. | 04:53 |
| w00t_ | wayland :-P | 04:54 |
| gabrbedd | Isn't wayland a replacement for X11, though? It's not a WM. | 04:54 |
| RodrigoPadula | many projects are studing to move to wayland | 04:54 |
| RodrigoPadula | Ubuntu, Fedora | 04:54 |
| gabrbedd | And it won't be Prime Time in 1.3 | 04:54 |
| w00t_ | correct, but it also replaces the WM | 04:54 |
| RodrigoPadula | my friend worked for Nokia, improving and migrating some X.org codes | 04:55 |
| RodrigoPadula | now he is working for Intel in the Wayland team | 04:55 |
| RodrigoPadula | the creator of Wayland is working for intel, I guess | 04:56 |
| *** wasikevin has joined #meego | 04:56 | |
| *** gibson|home has quit IRC | 04:58 | |
| RodrigoPadula | since Nokia did the agreement with Microsoft, Intel is hiring a lot of great engeeners from Nokia | 04:58 |
| *** gibson|home has joined #meego | 04:58 | |
| *** anaZ has quit IRC | 04:58 | |
| RodrigoPadula | that's great for the meego project | 04:59 |
| *** anaZ has joined #meego | 04:59 | |
| gabrbedd | Yes, Intel has really stepped up to support MeeGo and retain those good devs. | 04:59 |
| *** rohit00082002 has joined #meego | 05:00 | |
| RodrigoPadula | I'm starting to help the meego project here in Brasil | 05:00 |
| RodrigoPadula | I've started to coordinate the l10n team to pt_BR | 05:00 |
| RodrigoPadula | I will study a litle more to help with other issues | 05:01 |
| gabrbedd | Cool! :-) | 05:01 |
| *** slummer has quit IRC | 05:05 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:10 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #meego | 05:10 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #meego | 05:10 | |
| *** glin has quit IRC | 05:12 | |
| wassupnari | is there anyone who knows well about 'mcompositor'?? | 05:14 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: what kind of info are you looking for? | 05:17 |
| *** rohit00082002 has quit IRC | 05:17 | |
| *** rohit00082002 has joined #meego | 05:17 | |
| *** rohit00082002 has joined #meego | 05:18 | |
| *** mwichmann has quit IRC | 05:20 | |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : i just know that is some kind of window manager, and i'm looking for the relation with GL/EGL and how it composite application window. | 05:24 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : now i'm looking mcompositor's source code, but it's quite huge. :) | 05:25 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: mcompositor is a window manager implemented in Qt. I don't know how much raw GL code it's using... | 05:26 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: because Qt's QPainter is able to abstract a lot of that without having to do raw GL. | 05:26 |
| gabrbedd | In MeeGo 1.1 Qt was build to use OpenGL. | 05:26 |
| gabrbedd | In 1.2 it uses OpenGL ESv2 | 05:27 |
| gabrbedd | I don't know the specifics of the compositing code... but I know that it's generally trying to run apps in full-screen mode so that they are /not/ compositing. | 05:27 |
| gabrbedd | (since you get better performance that way). | 05:27 |
| *** glin has joined #meego | 05:29 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 05:31 | |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : I use mcompositor with HW acceleration right now, but my screen crashes in some situation. Do you know why? | 05:31 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: Can you describe the situation? And what version of MeeGo you're using? | 05:32 |
| wassupnari | Meego Tablet UX 1.1.99 with NVIDIA Tegra armv5tel | 05:33 |
| gabrbedd | And the situation? | 05:34 |
| wassupnari | Currently, i'm testing virtual keyboard.. and if i run the mcompositor, then my UI screen crashes with white frame. | 05:36 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: does it happen immediately, or after you do something? | 05:37 |
| *** swc|666 has joined #meego | 05:37 | |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : if i run the mcompositor then screen turned off and on again with crashed UI | 05:38 |
| *** rohit00082002 has quit IRC | 05:38 | |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : and you know that there are two different view in Tablet UX, such as panel view and normal icon view. | 05:39 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : and the screen crashed usually happened in icon view. | 05:39 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: what does that have to do with the virtual keyboard? Are you running it on top of the Tablet UX? | 05:43 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : hm.. yes... i need to test wifi with fennec browser, so i need virtual keyboard to enter the web address.. | 05:44 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : i just want to know where i could get some information or documentation about 'mcompositor'.. | 05:45 |
| gabrbedd | Rusty Lynch, Fathi Boudra, and Miroslav Safr are the most recent names in the changelog. | 05:47 |
| gabrbedd | the code is the only documentation I know of, since it's not really a user-space thing. | 05:48 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: You should file a bug on it (all 3 will tell you to do that before they help you) | 05:49 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : yes, i think it's more close to server and X system i think... | 05:49 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : okay, thank you :) | 05:50 |
| gabrbedd | wassupnari: good luck! :-) | 05:50 |
| wassupnari | gabrbedd : thanks :) | 05:53 |
| *** berndhs has quit IRC | 06:06 | |
| *** Unmensch has joined #meego | 06:11 | |
| *** beford has joined #meego | 06:11 | |
| *** MarcA-N has quit IRC | 06:12 | |
| *** MarcA-N has joined #meego | 06:13 | |
| *** Unmenschlich has quit IRC | 06:14 | |
| *** MarcA-N has quit IRC | 06:14 | |
| *** idoru has quit IRC | 06:15 | |
| *** idoru has joined #meego | 06:15 | |
| *** RodrigoPadula has quit IRC | 06:18 | |
| *** phinaliumz has joined #meego | 06:24 | |
| *** jimmy1980 has quit IRC | 06:26 | |
| *** jimmy1980 has joined #meego | 06:27 | |
| *** yanli has quit IRC | 06:39 | |
| *** wmarone has joined #meego | 06:42 | |
| *** wmarone has quit IRC | 06:45 | |
| *** wmarone has joined #meego | 06:45 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 06:51 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 06:51 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 06:51 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 06:51 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 06:53 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 06:53 | |
| *** glin has quit IRC | 06:53 | |
| *** wassupnari has quit IRC | 06:53 | |
| *** idoru has quit IRC | 06:59 | |
| *** idoru has joined #meego | 06:59 | |
| *** thiagoss has quit IRC | 07:02 | |
| *** berndhs has joined #meego | 07:04 | |
| *** befr0d has joined #meego | 07:05 | |
| *** glin has joined #meego | 07:05 | |
| *** phunguy has quit IRC | 07:05 | |
| *** Job1 has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| *** idoru has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| *** idoru has joined #meego | 07:06 | |
| *** phunguy has joined #meego | 07:07 | |
| *** beford has quit IRC | 07:07 | |
| *** Job1 has joined #meego | 07:08 | |
| *** yanli has joined #meego | 07:11 | |
| *** githogori has joined #meego | 07:20 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 07:22 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 07:23 | |
| *** gemfield has quit IRC | 07:24 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 07:27 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 07:28 | |
| *** puffin has quit IRC | 07:29 | |
| gandhijee | hey, where can i download the latest sources to build meego | 07:30 |
| *** alpsxing has quit IRC | 07:31 | |
| gabrbedd | gandhijee: MeeGo is an entire Linux distro... and the sources are published on http://repo.meego.com | 07:32 |
| *** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC | 07:32 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has joined #meego | 07:32 | |
| gandhijee | yes i know that it is an entire distro.... | 07:34 |
| *** tchan has joined #meego | 07:36 | |
| *** Richrd has joined #meego | 07:36 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 07:37 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 07:37 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 07:37 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 07:37 | |
| *** akk has quit IRC | 07:42 | |
| *** xzX has joined #meego | 07:43 | |
| *** iekku_ has joined #meego | 07:47 | |
| *** alexG has joined #meego | 07:49 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 07:51 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 07:51 | |
| iekku | morning | 07:52 |
| berndhs | howdy | 07:55 |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 07:56 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 07:57 | |
| *** Richrd_ has joined #meego | 07:57 | |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:59 |
| *** Richrd has quit IRC | 08:00 | |
| *** Richrd_ has quit IRC | 08:02 | |
| *** yanli has quit IRC | 08:04 | |
| *** wijiji has quit IRC | 08:08 | |
| gabrbedd | i'm turning back into a pumpkin.... good night all! | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | nite | 08:10 |
| berndhs | good night | 08:10 |
| *** gabrbedd has quit IRC | 08:10 | |
| RST38h | Moo, Stskeeps | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:11 |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 08:12 | |
| *** mmc has joined #meego | 08:12 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 08:13 | |
| *** aparna_ has quit IRC | 08:19 | |
| *** mmc has quit IRC | 08:23 | |
| *** tomeu has joined #meego | 08:23 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 08:26 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 08:28 | |
| *** special has quit IRC | 08:29 | |
| *** wijiji has joined #meego | 08:29 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has joined #meego | 08:34 | |
| poutsi | anybody happen to know how to disable automatic display brightness control in tablet dailies? | 08:34 |
| poutsi | specifically on the exopc | 08:34 |
| *** chris-qBT has joined #meego | 08:35 | |
| *** W_I has quit IRC | 08:36 | |
| *** aparna_ has joined #meego | 08:36 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 08:36 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 08:37 | |
| *** mikeleib is now known as mikeleib_afk | 08:41 | |
| *** special has joined #meego | 08:42 | |
| *** bkalinga has left #meego | 08:42 | |
| *** bkalinga has joined #meego | 08:43 | |
| *** befr0d has quit IRC | 08:43 | |
| *** amarsman_nl has quit IRC | 08:44 | |
| Stskeeps | so, now we have rpm4, rpm5 and rpm6? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandrake.cooker.devel/311020 | 08:45 |
| *** amarsman_nl has joined #meego | 08:46 | |
| araujo | just three ....... | 08:46 |
| berndhs | so 6 is better than 5, right ? | 08:47 |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 08:48 | |
| *** anaZ has quit IRC | 08:48 | |
| *** lamikr has joined #meego | 08:49 | |
| *** pohly has joined #meego | 08:50 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 08:50 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 08:51 | |
| *** bkalinga has quit IRC | 08:52 | |
| *** johd has joined #meego | 08:53 | |
| *** andredieb has left #meego | 08:53 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 08:55 | |
| *** special has quit IRC | 08:55 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 08:57 | |
| *** kimmok has joined #meego | 08:57 | |
| *** jlamadon has joined #meego | 08:59 | |
| *** clbr has joined #meego | 09:00 | |
| *** ayanes has joined #meego | 09:01 | |
| *** ayanes has joined #meego | 09:01 | |
| *** special has joined #meego | 09:01 | |
| *** thiago_home has joined #meego | 09:01 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 09:03 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 09:03 | |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 09:04 | |
| *** berndhs has quit IRC | 09:05 | |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 09:05 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #meego | 09:09 | |
| *** TheOpenSourcerer has joined #meego | 09:10 | |
| *** naba has joined #meego | 09:12 | |
| *** jimmy1980 has quit IRC | 09:14 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 09:14 | |
| *** ab has joined #meego | 09:15 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 09:15 | |
| *** jimmy1980 has joined #meego | 09:18 | |
| *** prashant_ has quit IRC | 09:18 | |
| *** niku_ has joined #meego | 09:19 | |
| *** villev has joined #meego | 09:20 | |
| *** mairas has joined #meego | 09:21 | |
| *** HyogiGim has joined #meego | 09:23 | |
| HyogiGim | hi | 09:23 |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 09:24 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 09:25 | |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 09:26 | |
| Stskeeps | hi | 09:28 |
| *** thiago_home has quit IRC | 09:28 | |
| *** ubIx has joined #meego | 09:29 | |
| *** alpsxing has joined #meego | 09:29 | |
| *** kontio has joined #meego | 09:32 | |
| *** I-C-Wiener has joined #meego | 09:32 | |
| *** ubIx_ has quit IRC | 09:32 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 09:33 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 09:34 | |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 09:39 | |
| *** xzX has quit IRC | 09:39 | |
| *** tbf has joined #meego | 09:39 | |
| HyogiGim | hi!! Stskeeps :) | 09:39 |
| *** calvaris has joined #meego | 09:39 | |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 09:39 |
| *** clbr has quit IRC | 09:40 | |
| HyogiGim | one question ... | 09:40 |
| HyogiGim | TT | 09:40 |
| *** huhyt has joined #meego | 09:40 | |
| HyogiGim | i make meego image using mic-image-creator | 09:40 |
| HyogiGim | but mic-image-creator shows this error message | 09:41 |
| HyogiGim | FatalError: Failed to run mic inside bootstrap environment. Return code: -11 | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, please use pastie.org service, put the mic log in there and give us the resulting url | 09:41 |
| HyogiGim | ok! | 09:42 |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 09:43 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 09:43 | |
| *** yanli has joined #meego | 09:44 | |
| HyogiGim | http://pastie.org/1859469 | 09:44 |
| *** tackat has joined #meego | 09:44 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage: have you seen that error before? | 09:44 |
| HyogiGim | yes. | 09:45 |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 09:45 | |
| Stskeeps | ah, i wasn't asking you, was asking the local mic2 expert :) | 09:45 |
| HyogiGim | i tried to make some image 1.1.99.20110426 handset image | 09:45 |
| HyogiGim | at that time, i saw same error | 09:46 |
| Sage | Stskeeps, HyogiGim: That might be just bootstrap issue. You should try to cleanup the bootstrap: rm -rf /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/ | 09:46 |
| HyogiGim | ah..sorry.. ^^ | 09:46 |
| *** aapo has joined #meego | 09:46 | |
| HyogiGim | already i did | 09:46 |
| Sage | didn't help? | 09:47 |
| HyogiGim | but .. continuously shows this error | 09:47 |
| Sage | what does file /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash say? | 09:47 |
| HyogiGim | no, didn't work.. | 09:47 |
| Sage | ? | 09:48 |
| HyogiGim | so, i made bootstrap using --build-bootstrap -bootstrap=/path option | 09:48 |
| Sage | $ file /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash | 09:48 |
| Sage | /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 09:48 |
| *** Milhouse has joined #meego | 09:49 | |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 09:49 | |
| *** Milhouse has joined #meego | 09:49 | |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: please run 'file /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash' | 09:50 |
| HyogiGim | .. | 09:50 |
| HyogiGim | sorry wait | 09:50 |
| HyogiGim | hmm... | 09:50 |
| Sage | ARM? :) | 09:51 |
| HyogiGim | i can't paste... | 09:51 |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 09:51 | |
| *** arfoll has joined #meego | 09:52 | |
| HyogiGim | var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 09:52 |
| Sage | ok, that should be fine. | 09:52 |
| *** aapo has quit IRC | 09:53 | |
| *** murrayc has joined #meego | 09:53 | |
| HyogiGim | but, when i use this bootstrap... | 09:53 |
| *** Okazaki-san has joined #meego | 09:54 | |
| HyogiGim | print same error msg. | 09:54 |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 09:55 | |
| HyogiGim | i'm korean.. eng. is not good.. plz understand. :) | 09:55 |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 09:55 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 09:55 | |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: your english is fine :) | 09:56 |
| HyogiGim | thank you | 09:56 |
| HyogiGim | i'm in LGE | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we could see that from your IP address. hmm. | 09:56 |
| HyogiGim | oh. :) | 09:56 |
| *** alexG has quit IRC | 09:56 | |
| *** toggles has quit IRC | 09:57 | |
| Sage | HyogiGim: what distro are you running? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: -11 is EAGAIN (try again), that's odd | 09:57 |
| Sage | ah, opensuse | 09:57 |
| HyogiGim | i use openSUSE 11.2 | 09:57 |
| * Sage wonders if he has opensuse VM somewhere to test. | 09:57 | |
| HyogiGim | and mic2 is 0.24.9 | 09:58 |
| ericlr | lbt: I'm almighty :P | 09:58 |
| HyogiGim | last week, we met Anas Nashif | 09:58 |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 09:58 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 09:59 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, he handles build.meego.com - friendly guy :) | 09:59 |
| HyogiGim | yeah really good guy | 10:00 |
| *** foolano has joined #meego | 10:00 | |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, maybe you can try prefix the mic2 command with strace -fF | 10:00 |
| Sage | HyogiGim: try without these: "-d i --build-bootstrap --bootstrap=bootstrap" and add "-d -i" also | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | or try sage's first | 10:00 |
| *** foolano has quit IRC | 10:00 | |
| Sage | I'm using the defaults for bootstrap build/dir and haven't had any problems so maybe it is that that is causing your problems. | 10:01 |
| HyogiGim | he taught about OBS | 10:01 |
| HyogiGim | ok | 10:01 |
| *** foolano has joined #meego | 10:01 | |
| *** yanli has quit IRC | 10:01 | |
| *** johd has quit IRC | 10:01 | |
| HyogiGim | i'll try this | 10:02 |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 10:04 | |
| *** KaL has joined #meego | 10:04 | |
| *** IonutGavaz has joined #meego | 10:05 | |
| *** tomeu has quit IRC | 10:06 | |
| HyogiGim | ah..same problem.. | 10:07 |
| *** toggles has joined #meego | 10:08 | |
| *** foolano has quit IRC | 10:08 | |
| *** eti has joined #meego | 10:09 | |
| *** foolano has joined #meego | 10:09 | |
| HyogiGim | i'll reboot my system and try again | 10:09 |
| *** raster has quit IRC | 10:10 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 10:11 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 10:11 | |
| *** Okazaki-san has quit IRC | 10:16 | |
| *** smooph has joined #meego | 10:17 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has quit IRC | 10:20 | |
| *** petrux has joined #meego | 10:21 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 10:21 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 10:22 | |
| *** jpe has joined #meego | 10:22 | |
| *** yanli has joined #meego | 10:22 | |
| *** Moku has quit IRC | 10:25 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 10:27 | |
| *** javiF has joined #meego | 10:29 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 10:30 | |
| *** MostafaDaneshvar has joined #meego | 10:30 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 10:30 | |
| *** florian has joined #meego | 10:32 | |
| *** florian has joined #meego | 10:32 | |
| *** DerSaidin has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** DerSaidin has joined #meego | 10:33 | |
| *** johd has joined #meego | 10:36 | |
| *** clbr has joined #meego | 10:37 | |
| *** clbr has quit IRC | 10:38 | |
| *** smooph has quit IRC | 10:39 | |
| *** johd_ has joined #meego | 10:39 | |
| *** johd has quit IRC | 10:40 | |
| *** johd_ has quit IRC | 10:40 | |
| *** johd has joined #meego | 10:40 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 10:40 | |
| *** aivanov has joined #meego | 10:40 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 10:41 | |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 10:43 | |
| *** kraiskil has joined #meego | 10:43 | |
| *** Moku has joined #meego | 10:47 | |
| *** W_I has joined #meego | 10:47 | |
| *** Richrd has joined #meego | 10:47 | |
| *** unclewerner has joined #meego | 10:47 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 10:49 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 10:50 | |
| *** slaine has joined #meego | 10:50 | |
| *** UltraDM has joined #meego | 10:51 | |
| slaine | good morning all | 10:53 |
| *** DerSaidin has quit IRC | 10:53 | |
| Stskeeps | good morning slaine | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 10:54 |
| *** dazo_afk is now known as dazo | 10:55 | |
| slaine | Great | 10:55 |
| slaine | just back from a week off last week | 10:56 |
| slaine | totally unplugged | 10:56 |
| slaine | just catching up with everything | 10:56 |
| slaine | how's the DE image coming along, the alpha looked great compared to some of the last images I'd tried, which was a while ago | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | DE alpha is quite nice | 10:56 |
| slaine | yeah, great work there | 10:57 |
| *** DerSaidin has joined #meego | 10:58 | |
| *** sampos has left #meego | 10:58 | |
| *** alexG has joined #meego | 11:02 | |
| *** slaine has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** eskil has joined #meego | 11:03 | |
| *** alexG has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** eskil is now known as Guest65505 | 11:03 | |
| *** Dan_Mihai_BU_RO has joined #meego | 11:04 | |
| *** jpetersen has joined #meego | 11:04 | |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 11:05 | |
| *** amarsman_nl has quit IRC | 11:07 | |
| *** slaine has joined #meego | 11:09 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 11:12 | |
| *** slaine has quit IRC | 11:13 | |
| *** slaine has joined #meego | 11:13 | |
| thp | Stskeeps: do we have a pin entry dialog already? ;) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | thp: supposedly there's a contribution ticket about it, so it exists somewhere ;) | 11:13 |
| thp | great :) afaik calling and 3g works already when the pin is disabled? didn't dare to try it out myself yet | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:14 |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 11:14 | |
| Stskeeps | 3g not sure | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | it does in connman/ofono but can't recall if we hae UI | 11:15 |
| Sage | we have in tablet ;) | 11:15 |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 11:16 | |
| *** eijk has joined #meego | 11:19 | |
| *** calvaris has joined #meego | 11:20 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 11:20 | |
| *** wazd has joined #meego | 11:21 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 11:21 | |
| *** amarsman_nl has joined #meego | 11:22 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 11:22 | |
| *** huhyt has quit IRC | 11:22 | |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 11:22 | |
| *** Venemo has joined #meego | 11:25 | |
| Venemo | good morning | 11:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, your talk was good, I very much agree with your point. thanks for giving me a link | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | good | 11:27 |
| HyogiGim | i restarted my system and reinstall mic2... but i can't fix this problem TT | 11:27 |
| *** vokimon_home has joined #meego | 11:27 | |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: does normal i586 image work? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | worth testing | 11:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, you use the word 'whatever' too much, but that's the only negative criticism I can say about it :P | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: yeah.. | 11:28 |
| HyogiGim | ok | 11:28 |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 11:28 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 11:28 | |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: worth checking, then we can remove the arm part of it | 11:28 |
| HyogiGim | thank you very much! | 11:28 |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 11:29 | |
| HyogiGim | i don't understand about remove the arm part | 11:29 |
| *** petrux_ has joined #meego | 11:30 | |
| Stskeeps | HyogiGim: as in, to help narrow down where the problem happens | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | if it happens in i586 too, it isn't in the ARM part of mic2 | 11:32 |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 11:33 | |
| HyogiGim | ah! ok :) thanks your advice | 11:33 |
| *** petrux has quit IRC | 11:33 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 11:33 | |
| *** gabor__ has joined #meego | 11:34 | |
| *** clbr has joined #meego | 11:35 | |
| *** frade has joined #meego | 11:38 | |
| *** Moku has quit IRC | 11:38 | |
| *** tibrisch has joined #meego | 11:38 | |
| lcuk2 | morning \o | 11:39 |
| Venemo | hello lcuk2 :) | 11:40 |
| *** lcuk2 is now known as lcuk | 11:40 | |
| *** lcuk has quit IRC | 11:40 | |
| *** lcuk has joined #meego | 11:40 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:41 |
| *** Moku has joined #meego | 11:41 | |
| Venemo | morning Jaffa | 11:42 |
| Jaffa | alterego: QML Dialler was in MWKN :-) http://www.mwkn.net/2011/18/announce.html#announce-1 | 11:42 |
| *** petrux_ has quit IRC | 11:43 | |
| *** petrux has joined #meego | 11:43 | |
| *** lynxis has joined #meego | 11:43 | |
| *** glin has quit IRC | 11:44 | |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 11:45 | |
| alterego | Jaffa: oh, cool, thanks :) | 11:46 |
| *** Jade has joined #meego | 11:47 | |
| *** yanli has quit IRC | 11:49 | |
| Jaffa | alterego: No probs :) | 11:49 |
| *** andre__ has joined #meego | 11:54 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 11:54 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #meego | 11:54 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 11:54 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 11:55 | |
| *** glin has joined #meego | 12:01 | |
| *** khertan has joined #meego | 12:02 | |
| khertan | Someone know how to reset the wifi key on meego n900 de edition ? as i change it ... and can't change it on interface ... try to connect and failed :) | 12:04 |
| *** pavank10 has joined #meego | 12:05 | |
| *** HyogiGim has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| Stskeeps | khertan: /var/lib/connman/default.profile maybe - we have a fix in queue for that :) | 12:05 |
| lcuk | khertan, hi, there is a bug atm | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | and the UI sucks, yes, we are looking at replacing it | 12:05 |
| *** tibrisch has quit IRC | 12:06 | |
| *** kaawee has joined #meego | 12:06 | |
| khertan | Stskeeps: thx | 12:06 |
| lcuk | bug 14598 fwiw | 12:07 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 is not accessible | 12:07 |
| *** interesting has joined #meego | 12:07 | |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:07 |
| lcuk | bug 14958 even | 12:07 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14958 maj, Medium, 1.1.99.0, michael.leibowitz, NEW, [Trunk:Daily] Unable to change wrong wifi password input. | 12:07 |
| lcuk | see, even the bugzilla cannot access password | 12:08 |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 12:09 | |
| khertan | hum rm the file wasn't a good idea | 12:09 |
| khertan | :) | 12:09 |
| khertan | pretty hard to use vi without shortcut for exec | 12:09 |
| khertan | :) | 12:09 |
| khertan | s/exec/escape | 12:10 |
| *** raster has joined #meego | 12:13 | |
| *** glin has quit IRC | 12:14 | |
| *** Guest65505 is now known as eskil | 12:14 | |
| *** interesting has left #meego | 12:17 | |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 12:17 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 12:20 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 12:21 | |
| *** glin has joined #meego | 12:26 | |
| *** sraue has quit IRC | 12:28 | |
| * lcuk twiddles his thumbs a bit | 12:28 | |
| alterego | Heh, bored? | 12:29 |
| lcuk | waiting for -de image to come in and checked bugs for today | 12:30 |
| alterego | Cool | 12:30 |
| lcuk | so going to shops but also waiting on fam | 12:30 |
| * lcuk is flying helicopter instead and just landed it on the laptop | 12:31 | |
| * alterego lols | 12:31 | |
| alterego | I should get a toy heli :) | 12:31 |
| *** tmpsantos has joined #meego | 12:31 | |
| alterego | I liked the look of those A.R. Drones | 12:31 |
| alterego | But they're well expensive | 12:32 |
| lcuk | i should learn to fly outdoors | 12:32 |
| alterego | (otoh I've not bought myself a toy in over a year) | 12:32 |
| Venemo | alterego, lemme guess, that toy was the N900? | 12:32 |
| lcuk | I got this from verkkokauppa in Helsinki | 12:33 |
| alterego | Yeah, I think the N900 was the last toy I splashed out on | 12:33 |
| lcuk | managed to fit it in my suitcase and everything | 12:33 |
| alterego | Maybe they'll have some toys in SF :) | 12:33 |
| * lcuk wanted a bigger one | 12:34 | |
| *** kaawee has quit IRC | 12:35 | |
| Venemo | lcuk, is that some RC helicopter? | 12:35 |
| lcuk | yes Venemo | 12:35 |
| Venemo | I've always wanted one :) | 12:36 |
| khertan | hum /var/lib/connman/default.profile doesn't seem to be read but is just a cache | 12:37 |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 12:38 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 12:39 | |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 12:39 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 12:40 | |
| * khertan didn't like zypper and rpm package ... apt tools are really missing on meego | 12:42 | |
| *** raster has quit IRC | 12:47 | |
| *** MostafaDaneshvar has quit IRC | 12:47 | |
| *** eskil has quit IRC | 12:47 | |
| *** raster has joined #meego | 12:47 | |
| thp | khertan: alias apt-get=zypper; alias apt-cache=zypper really helps ;) | 12:48 |
| *** tackat has joined #meego | 12:48 | |
| *** eskil has joined #meego | 12:48 | |
| *** eskil is now known as Guest68183 | 12:48 | |
| Venemo | why is it that I can only boot MeeGo on my N900 when it's in R&D mode? | 12:49 |
| *** bergie has joined #meego | 12:49 | |
| Stskeeps | i don't use r&d mode personally | 12:49 |
| Venemo | sudo ../maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -k vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 -l --boot="root=/dev/mmcblk0p4 rootwait rw console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2" | 12:49 |
| Venemo | oh, sorry | 12:50 |
| Venemo | wrong image | 12:50 |
| Venemo | wrong paste | 12:50 |
| *** cymacs has joined #meego | 12:50 | |
| Venemo | nevermind | 12:50 |
| *** Guest62478 has joined #meego | 12:50 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 12:52 | |
| Venemo | however I'm curious about how can I try the Intel UX on the N900 | 12:52 |
| khertan | thp: if only ... | 12:53 |
| *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego | 12:53 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 12:53 | |
| *** yanli has joined #meego | 12:54 | |
| Venemo | Is it possible to share my internet connection with the N900 through USB networking? "Error message: Couldn't resolve host 'repo.meego.com'" | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's a maemo.org page for usb networking which is useful | 12:55 |
| *** dhaihai has joined #meego | 12:56 | |
| alterego | Venemo: you need to set the appropriate nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf | 12:56 |
| alterego | And you need to add the default route using: route add | 12:56 |
| Venemo | route add what? | 12:57 |
| Venemo | 'route add 192.168.2.14' says "SIOCADDRT: No such device" | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | route add default g | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | w | 12:58 |
| Venemo | aah | 12:58 |
| alterego | route add -net default gw 192.168.2.14 usb0 | 12:58 |
| alterego | Make sure you have ip forwarding enabled on the host | 12:58 |
| Venemo | how can I make sure? | 12:59 |
| alterego | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 13:00 |
| *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC | 13:00 | |
| alterego | should return '1' | 13:00 |
| alterego | That and you wont be able to ping outside address :) | 13:01 |
| Venemo | it's 0 | 13:01 |
| *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego | 13:01 | |
| alterego | sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" | 13:02 |
| Venemo | ahh, thank you so much alterego :) | 13:02 |
| alterego | Or add: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf | 13:02 |
| alterego | Which will cause it to work on system startuop | 13:02 |
| *** mateus has joined #meego | 13:03 | |
| thiago | 192.168.2.14, I know that address... :-) | 13:03 |
| alterego | But you need to run: sudo sysctl -p | 13:03 |
| Venemo | zypper update still says, "Error message: Couldn't resolve host 'repo.meego.com'" | 13:03 |
| alterego | Okay, try pinging 212.110.185.209 | 13:03 |
| Venemo | "From 192.168.2.14 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Prohibited" | 13:03 |
| alterego | (just some random IP I happen to know is up) :) | 13:03 |
| thiago | my solution: | 13:03 |
| thiago | $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/usbnetwork-nokia-devices.rules | 13:03 |
| thiago | BUS=="usb",ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0421", RUN+="/sbin/ifconfig %k 192.168.2.14" | 13:03 |
| alterego | thiago: nice I'll have to note that one, I use network manager at the moment and statically set the MAC in g_nokia | 13:04 |
| alterego | Though, that's because I like differentiating between devices :) | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: meego-security-discussion@ re framework, ryan's been fairly open about it | 13:04 |
| * thiago was tired of running sudo ifconfig | 13:04 | |
| thiago | I'm still tired of removing the ssh key every time I reflash my Harmattan device... | 13:05 |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 13:05 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: we have a trick for that | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ^ | 13:05 |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 13:05 | |
| Sage | ah that | 13:05 |
| Sage | a sec will pastebin | 13:05 |
| Sage | thiago: http://pastie.org/1859853 | 13:06 |
| Sage | :) | 13:06 |
| Venemo | alterego, what should I do against "Destination Host Prohibited"? | 13:06 |
| thiago | Sage: ah, cool | 13:06 |
| mateus | hi...i'm user debian squeeze and i'm reading "getting started with the meego sdk for linux" in the package configuration i can use debian/5.0 without problems? | 13:06 |
| alterego | Venemo: good question :/ | 13:06 |
| alterego | Probably iptables | 13:07 |
| alterego | ang on | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 13:07 |
| *** sigma6 has joined #meego | 13:07 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Agreed, I wasn't trying to suggest he wasn't but capture the tone of the conversation | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: It also seems like something which should "progress" from -security to -architecture at some point (soonish) | 13:09 |
| mateus | anyone? | 13:09 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, it talks about 'iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.2.15/32 -j MASQUERADE', which I've tried but I still get the same result | 13:10 |
| alterego | There should be two iptables commands. | 13:11 |
| lbt | mateus: yes | 13:12 |
| lbt | I use it on squeeze | 13:12 |
| lbt | it's annoying :) | 13:12 |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 13:12 | |
| arfoll | as per bug 16946, python looks like it's getting removed from default meego images. I thought python was part of meego? | 13:14 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16946 maj, Medium, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, Trim down default image size | 13:14 |
| Venemo | arfoll, I think you can still install it if you need it | 13:14 |
| *** asbhatti has joined #meego | 13:14 | |
| arfoll | Venemo, i understand that, but is python not part of meego compliance? ie python applications are not going to run unless vendors install it specificaly on the device/adaptation | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: it's not part of meego compliance or api, afaik | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, technically speaking, it's not needed for the meego api | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | which is where meego compliance stems from | 13:16 |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 13:16 | |
| Stskeeps | our footprint is really too big, so let's see where it leads | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | the important thing is that -things can be installed-, :P | 13:16 |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 13:17 | |
| arfoll | but it means python apps are banished from core images | 13:17 |
| mateus | lbt, tks | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: i think if they want to cut image size, cut sample-media ;) | 13:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we said that at Dublin .... | 13:19 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, totally agree, i'm old enough to be able to copy big buck bunny over myself | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | personally i can't wait to when we ditch X too | 13:19 |
| *** deepa1 has joined #meego | 13:19 | |
| arfoll | might have to wait a little longer for that though | 13:20 |
| *** sepultina_ has joined #meego | 13:20 | |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 13:20 |
| deepa1 | hi i have a meego netbook and just installed 1.1 stable image | 13:20 |
| lbt | someone should count all the MeeGo image downloads and send them to the Big Buck Bunny site for their distribution count... | 13:20 |
| deepa1 | the webcam is not detected | 13:20 |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 13:20 | |
| *** Guest62478 has quit IRC | 13:20 | |
| arfoll | lbt, i could write a python script, oh wait no i can't | 13:20 |
| lbt | arfoll: zypper in python ? | 13:21 |
| lbt | you could write a bash script to do that ;) | 13:21 |
| arfoll | lbt, i meant on first launch of image | 13:21 |
| *** alpsxing has quit IRC | 13:21 | |
| * arfoll is just sore that some people want to remove python from meego tv | 13:21 | |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: i wonder about perl being removed too ;) | 13:21 |
| lbt | write it all in C like systemd! | 13:21 |
| *** ph0b028 has quit IRC | 13:22 | |
| arfoll | now we get to script in bash 3 because GPL3 is too restrictive.... grumbl | 13:22 |
| thiago | zsh! | 13:22 |
| * w00t_ agrees with thiago | 13:23 | |
| w00t_ | :-P | 13:23 |
| lbt | I thought thiago would have suggested QML... | 13:24 |
| lbt | thiago: is that actually possible? | 13:25 |
| thiago | Program { id: foo; name: "/bin/ls"; arguments: [ "/", "/dev" ]; } | 13:25 |
| thiago | :-P | 13:25 |
| lbt | there you go arfoll ... stop moaning | 13:25 |
| arfoll | uhm any change to get dbus bindings? | 13:26 |
| lcuk | could use some big bungie cords? | 13:27 |
| *** marcob has joined #meego | 13:27 | |
| lcuk | ahh download complete | 13:28 |
| *** niku_ has quit IRC | 13:32 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC | 13:32 | |
| Venemo | alterego, I'm pretty much out of ideas. I tried messing around with iptables, without any luck :( | 13:33 |
| *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego | 13:33 | |
| Venemo | problem is that the N900 can't connect to the cellular network either | 13:33 |
| *** mmeeks has joined #meego | 13:33 | |
| *** mmeeks has joined #meego | 13:33 | |
| Stskeeps | what was one of the stable etherpad sites? | 13:34 |
| *** mairas has quit IRC | 13:36 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: one of the things i hate(;) about your posts is that it's difficult to find any response as it absolutely makes sense, however the next step is "so, how do we do the excellent theory in practice" | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | implementation vs design | 13:39 |
| *** wasikevin has quit IRC | 13:39 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I tried to include some action points in this one | 13:39 |
| lbt | and also I feel that I need to get some concensus before dictating what to do | 13:40 |
| lbt | in DE I've pretty much assumed I can re-write your release process | 13:40 |
| lbt | and QA rules :) | 13:40 |
| lbt | but I have got Sage and eric helping | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | right | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | this is fairly close to the idea you had back when we went for steak with x-fade and marc? :P | 13:41 |
| lbt | yes | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | man, that's long ago.. | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:42 |
| lbt | yep | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | But it was fun :) | 13:42 |
| *** thiagoss has joined #meego | 13:42 | |
| *** leinir has quit IRC | 13:43 | |
| *** ivanich has quit IRC | 13:44 | |
| lbt | so .. I was kinda waiting for a DE meeting to say "lbt's idea makes sense ... use that as goals for deciding on deliverables" | 13:44 |
| *** leinir has joined #meego | 13:44 | |
| lbt | also then "what extra deliverables should we have" | 13:45 |
| *** ivanich has joined #meego | 13:45 | |
| *** drussell has joined #meego | 13:45 | |
| Stskeeps | i think we can stage it as a past summer release thing | 13:45 |
| lbt | like docs, BOSS processes, scripts | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | unless you think it makes sense to have earlier | 13:45 |
| *** kaawee has joined #meego | 13:46 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: just a notice to this. With the DE image also in repository.maemo.org we are running out of space :) | 13:46 |
| *** lizardo has joined #meego | 13:46 | |
| Sage | err.. SDK DE image :) | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 13:46 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes ... but ... it would be good to be able to say at SF "we discussed and agreed the direction for DE" | 13:46 |
| lbt | and to commit to delivering those things | 13:46 |
| *** niku_ has joined #meego | 13:47 | |
| Stskeeps | how non-invasive can we make a change to the three-path (veneer, hw adaptation(s!!!), core changs)? | 13:47 |
| lbt | I have no plans to disrupt anything pre-SF | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i meant after | 13:48 |
| lbt | but I think at SF we can answer that | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | we have the 'summer image' idea | 13:48 |
| lbt | probably not hugely | 13:48 |
| lbt | it should allow those areas to be less interdependent | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | get me a etherpad that works and i will do a proposal writeup | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:49 |
| lbt | is piratepad down ? | 13:49 |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 13:50 | |
| *** arkub has joined #meego | 13:50 | |
| * lcuk taps his n900 | 13:51 | |
| * lcuk shakes it | 13:51 | |
| *** sigma6 has quit IRC | 13:51 | |
| *** niku_ has quit IRC | 13:51 | |
| *** glin has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** ivanich has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** mauricelynch has joined #meego | 13:53 | |
| lcuk | usb port on the right hand side of the x200s is faster than the usb ports on the left | 13:54 |
| *** iolao has joined #meego | 13:54 | |
| *** ivanich has joined #meego | 13:55 | |
| *** villev has quit IRC | 14:01 | |
| *** Mece_ has joined #meego | 14:02 | |
| *** kraiskil has quit IRC | 14:02 | |
| *** naba has quit IRC | 14:02 | |
| *** Guest68183 has quit IRC | 14:04 | |
| *** sigma6 has joined #meego | 14:05 | |
| *** clbr has quit IRC | 14:05 | |
| lcuk | hmm I thought it was | 14:06 |
| lcuk | how do I show progress of dd again? | 14:06 |
| lcuk | lbt, do you know? | 14:06 |
| lbt | you can use pv | 14:06 |
| lbt | pipeviewer | 14:06 |
| lbt | or use ddrescue ... far superior | 14:07 |
| jsv | lcuk: "kill -USR1 <pid of dd>" | 14:07 |
| lbt | (not dd_rescue) | 14:07 |
| lcuk | ahh cool jsv that is the one, lbt, will that give progress updates without having to open a new console each time? | 14:08 |
| lbt | ddrescue is the best for seeing everything | 14:09 |
| lbt | but if you're dd'ing images .. beware that filesystem sync is often a huge factor | 14:10 |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 14:10 | |
| *** yanli has quit IRC | 14:11 | |
| lcuk | yeah I am ensuring I keep the cable connected to let things settle after the dd runs through | 14:11 |
| lcuk | but sitting at empty console is disconcerting | 14:12 |
| *** Mece_ has quit IRC | 14:13 | |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 14:17 | |
| *** murrayc has joined #meego | 14:18 | |
| *** mikhailz has joined #meego | 14:20 | |
| *** mikhailz has joined #meego | 14:20 | |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 14:24 | |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 14:24 | |
| *** phaeron has quit IRC | 14:25 | |
| *** lpiekkol has joined #meego | 14:25 | |
| *** gabor__ is now known as gabor_ | 14:26 | |
| *** Venemo has joined #meego | 14:26 | |
| *** mwichmann has joined #meego | 14:27 | |
| *** niku_ has joined #meego | 14:27 | |
| slaine | Was there an announcement last week that 1.2 would be late ? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | it was on meego-packaging and meego-releases@ | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | communication could have been bettter but.. | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:29 |
| *** raster has quit IRC | 14:32 | |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 14:33 | |
| lcuk | revdkathy is awesome at knitting | 14:34 |
| lcuk | 1.3gb done | 14:37 |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 14:39 | |
| *** murrayc has joined #meego | 14:39 | |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I'll check the archives, I'm not on those lists | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:42 |
| *** javiF has quit IRC | 14:42 | |
| *** tbf has quit IRC | 14:46 | |
| *** yanli has joined #meego | 14:49 | |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 14:52 | |
| *** tbf has joined #meego | 14:53 | |
| *** sepultina has joined #meego | 14:54 | |
| *** sepultina_ has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| *** wasikevin has joined #meego | 14:56 | |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I just see that they mention branching 1.2 over the weekend | 14:57 |
| slaine | no mention of an ETA on the new release | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: ah, was earlier than that | 14:57 |
| slaine | ok | 14:57 |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 14:58 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 14:59 | |
| iolao | slaine: ETA is may 19 | 14:59 |
| slaine | right, thanks, saves me further digging | 14:59 |
| slaine | that coincides with the conf I assume ? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | a couple of days before | 15:00 |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #meego | 15:00 | |
| deepa1 | Hi /dev/video not found | 15:02 |
| deepa1 | i am using stable release 1.1.99.5.20110501 | 15:02 |
| deepa1 | is this a known bug? is there any workaround? | 15:02 |
| deepa1 | can somebody help on the issue? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | should SMS app work on the n900-de? | 15:06 |
| *** snowpong has joined #meego | 15:08 | |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 15:08 | |
| *** jespada has joined #meego | 15:09 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 15:10 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 15:10 | |
| *** tackat has joined #meego | 15:11 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #meego | 15:12 | |
| *** Diod has joined #meego | 15:14 | |
| *** Diod has joined #meego | 15:14 | |
| *** puffin has joined #meego | 15:16 | |
| *** dhaihai has quit IRC | 15:18 | |
| *** jonwil has joined #meego | 15:23 | |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 15:27 | |
| *** sepultina has quit IRC | 15:29 | |
| *** phaeron has joined #meego | 15:30 | |
| *** ivanich has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 15:40 | |
| *** kimmok has quit IRC | 15:41 | |
| lcuk | hurrah booting up | 15:42 |
| alterego | Something keeps blinding me and I can't see what I'm typing properly. | 15:44 |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 15:46 | |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 15:46 | |
| lcuk | alterego, not the only one | 15:48 |
| lcuk | though the sun is a bit hazy today | 15:48 |
| *** johd has quit IRC | 15:49 | |
| alterego | Clear blue skies here, I | 15:49 |
| lcuk | the icons are looking about right on the n900-de image, perhaps a few things missing but certainly looks better than ever | 15:50 |
| lcuk | alterego, your dialer is not integrated into this yet is it? | 15:51 |
| alterego | Don't think so | 15:53 |
| alterego | Not sure it's even built yet :) | 15:53 |
| lcuk | I am sure it will be soon | 15:53 |
| alterego | :) | 15:53 |
| lcuk | if I dial a number without a sim card in | 15:54 |
| lcuk | what should happen | 15:54 |
| alterego | Well, there's what should happen, and there's what happens | 15:55 |
| *** Richrd has quit IRC | 15:55 | |
| alterego | What should happen is you should have an error saying that ofono couldn't do something or other. | 15:55 |
| alterego | qml dialer currently doesn't say anything though. | 15:55 |
| alterego | Error reporting and notifications is kind of next on my list. | 15:56 |
| lcuk | nor does the other one | 15:56 |
| *** Richrd has joined #meego | 15:56 | |
| lcuk | I should test on maemo what happens | 15:57 |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 15:58 | |
| *** amjad has joined #meego | 15:59 | |
| *** tackat has joined #meego | 16:00 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC | 16:00 | |
| *** wasikevin has quit IRC | 16:01 | |
| *** wasikevin has joined #meego | 16:01 | |
| *** hugopl has joined #meego | 16:02 | |
| *** mpoirier has joined #meego | 16:06 | |
| *** puffin has quit IRC | 16:06 | |
| phaeron | anyone know the link to the sdk with qtcreator and deploy to device nice thingy | 16:07 |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 16:08 | |
| kallam | phaeron: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1#Setting_up_your_device | 16:10 |
| phaeron | kallam: thanks , checking it out | 16:10 |
| *** sraue has joined #meego | 16:11 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #meego | 16:11 | |
| *** wasikevin has quit IRC | 16:13 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego | 16:13 | |
| *** anidel has joined #meego | 16:14 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 16:15 | |
| *** baraujo has joined #meego | 16:15 | |
| *** Deck has joined #meego | 16:17 | |
| *** wazd has joined #meego | 16:18 | |
| *** berndhs has joined #meego | 16:18 | |
| *** keyz182 has joined #meego | 16:18 | |
| *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| *** mauricelynch has quit IRC | 16:20 | |
| *** ivanich has joined #meego | 16:20 | |
| *** javiF has joined #meego | 16:22 | |
| deepa1 | hello | 16:22 |
| deepa1 | video input (camera) is not working in netbook | 16:22 |
| *** eskil has joined #meego | 16:22 | |
| deepa1 | this is meego release 1.1 99.0.2011.052 | 16:22 |
| lcuk | deepa1, which netbook hardware? | 16:22 |
| *** eskil is now known as Guest84525 | 16:23 | |
| deepa1 | WIPRO ego netbook Intel Atom N450 | 16:23 |
| keyz182 | Hi there, I recently got hold of a Dell Inspiron Duo (the flip-lid touchscreen one). I've been playing with meego on it, and have found that the netbook edition works fine, and if I specify "usbhid.quirks=0x0eef:0x725e:0x40" as a kernel option, the touchscreen works fine too. However, when trying the tablet edition, touchscreen input isn't recognised at all (dmesg and lsusb shows it's found and loaded). Anyone know of any obvious reasons why it wont wo | 16:23 |
| keyz182 | rk, or any help at all? | 16:23 |
| deepa1 | it is listed in the supported hardware | 16:23 |
| deepa1 | lcuk, it used to work in older version 80.0 release | 16:24 |
| deepa1 | lcuk, is there some issue in 99.0 | 16:24 |
| *** DawnFoster has quit IRC | 16:24 | |
| *** smoku has left #meego | 16:25 | |
| lcuk | deepa1, check bugs.meego.com for camera things | 16:25 |
| lcuk | see if anyone else filed the same thing | 16:25 |
| deepa1 | lcuk, gstreamer-properties video input reports - /dev/video0 not found | 16:25 |
| *** smoku has joined #meego | 16:25 | |
| deepa1 | checked no luck though | 16:25 |
| lcuk | deepa1, how far did you check? | 16:26 |
| lcuk | bug 15847 | 16:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15847 nor, Medium, ---, kangkai.yin, NEW, No /dev/video* found | 16:26 |
| *** hugopl has quit IRC | 16:27 | |
| *** mauricelynch has joined #meego | 16:27 | |
| deepa1 | lcuk, i checked this, but this is on 1.2 | 16:28 |
| deepa1 | i have 1.1 | 16:28 |
| *** Guest84525 has quit IRC | 16:28 | |
| deepa1 | lcuk, and however i do not have camera file in /sys/devices/platform directory | 16:28 |
| deepa1 | lcuk, and could nt apply the workaround | 16:29 |
| deepa1 | lcuk, is there anyother workaround you know of? | 16:29 |
| *** jonwil has quit IRC | 16:29 | |
| *** hugopl has joined #meego | 16:29 | |
| lcuk | deepa1, not that I know of, file a bug related and include all info (including the regression noted) and ensure all versions etc are included | 16:31 |
| deepa1 | ok | 16:31 |
| lcuk | hopefully an elegent solution can be found | 16:31 |
| deepa1 | yea hope so | 16:32 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 16:32 | |
| lcuk | I need spellcheck on irc | 16:32 |
| lcuk | elegant even | 16:32 |
| *** lamikr has quit IRC | 16:32 | |
| *** pcacjr_ has quit IRC | 16:33 | |
| *** kimmok has joined #meego | 16:34 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #meego | 16:34 | |
| *** pcacjr_ has joined #meego | 16:35 | |
| lcuk | has anyone managed to resolder usb plug onto their n900? | 16:36 |
| alterego | I think someone has, I read it on tmo yesterday | 16:36 |
| alterego | UPS is picking mine up tomorrow apparently :) | 16:36 |
| anidel | lcuk: why? yours broke? | 16:36 |
| lcuk | anidel, been broke for a while | 16:37 |
| anidel | lcuk: was it a pre-prod device? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | I fixed my other one | 16:37 |
| anidel | just asking out of curiosity | 16:37 |
| lcuk | anidel, my main device had a loose usb, but I managed to fix that nicely with some card a couple of weeks ago | 16:38 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-04-21.log.html#t2011-04-21T14:49:18 | 16:39 |
| *** kontio has quit IRC | 16:40 | |
| anidel | so both of them "failed"? | 16:41 |
| *** IonutGavaz has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| lcuk | I am just wondering about the other one, its usb is fully off | 16:41 |
| *** juliank has joined #meego | 16:42 | |
| *** juliank has joined #meego | 16:42 | |
| anidel | ah that may be re-soldering... | 16:42 |
| anidel | the only one I heard had the issue was Randall | 16:42 |
| *** srag has joined #meego | 16:42 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 16:42 | |
| * lcuk learnt pcb repair a looooooooooooooong time ago | 16:42 | |
| lcuk | but I have not got the tools to hand | 16:42 |
| *** Deck has quit IRC | 16:43 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 16:43 | |
| *** W_I has quit IRC | 16:43 | |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 16:44 | |
| *** diegohcg has joined #meego | 16:46 | |
| *** anidel has quit IRC | 16:47 | |
| *** deepa1 has quit IRC | 16:47 | |
| *** chris-qBT has quit IRC | 16:49 | |
| *** marciom has joined #meego | 16:49 | |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 16:51 | |
| *** edisson has joined #meego | 16:52 | |
| *** gabrbedd has joined #meego | 16:54 | |
| *** keyz182 has quit IRC | 16:55 | |
| *** tbf has quit IRC | 16:56 | |
| *** halvors has joined #meego | 16:56 | |
| *** MiskaX has quit IRC | 16:58 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 16:59 | |
| *** anidel has joined #meego | 17:02 | |
| *** kaawee has quit IRC | 17:02 | |
| *** X-Fade has joined #meego | 17:03 | |
| *** ayanes has quit IRC | 17:04 | |
| *** diegobz has quit IRC | 17:07 | |
| *** diegobz has joined #meego | 17:07 | |
| *** lamikr has joined #meego | 17:07 | |
| *** diegobz has quit IRC | 17:07 | |
| *** diegobz has joined #meego | 17:07 | |
| *** dchaverri26 has joined #meego | 17:09 | |
| *** KaL has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| *** sraue has quit IRC | 17:12 | |
| *** wazd has quit IRC | 17:13 | |
| *** diegobz has quit IRC | 17:13 | |
| *** eijk_ has joined #meego | 17:13 | |
| *** diegobz has joined #meego | 17:14 | |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 17:14 | |
| *** diegobz has quit IRC | 17:14 | |
| *** diegobz has joined #meego | 17:14 | |
| *** setanta has joined #meego | 17:18 | |
| *** eijk__ has joined #meego | 17:18 | |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 17:18 | |
| *** W_I has joined #meego | 17:19 | |
| *** bergie has joined #meego | 17:20 | |
| *** MarcA-N has joined #meego | 17:23 | |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 17:25 | |
| *** eijk has joined #meego | 17:26 | |
| *** sraue has joined #meego | 17:26 | |
| *** eijk__ has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** puffin has joined #meego | 17:26 | |
| lcuk | Venemo, when you implement multitouch, make sure you upload it and then multipeople can have a test :P | 17:27 |
| Venemo | lcuk :P | 17:27 |
| Venemo | lcuk, the difficulty with multitouch is that I don't own any multitouch hw | 17:27 |
| lcuk | what would MT give you though? | 17:27 |
| Venemo | dunno, maybe it would give me some dinner if I asked nicely? | 17:28 |
| lcuk | the only thing I can think of is moving two pieces at once | 17:28 |
| Venemo | There are 3 ideas in my head: moving >1 pieces at once; rotating the pieces; zooming the game board | 17:29 |
| *** eijk_ has joined #meego | 17:30 | |
| lcuk | give it a try then | 17:30 |
| Venemo | of these, the 1st one is trivial to implement and I'd definitely like to implement it. the others need some more thinking before I can do them. | 17:30 |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 17:30 | |
| *** diegohcg has quit IRC | 17:30 | |
| * lcuk just uses multitouch to draw hair and beards on things | 17:31 | |
| Venemo | :D | 17:31 |
| Venemo | lcuk, btw, did you know that Qt has a very nice helper app? | 17:31 |
| Venemo | I just have to type "Qt Ass" into the search box | 17:31 |
| lcuk | nope and I am just going grabbing dinner | 17:31 |
| lcuk | Pippa Ass is better search phrase :P | 17:31 |
| Venemo | before you think of anything nasty, it's Qt Assistant :P | 17:32 |
| lcuk | and Pippa is a lovely lady too :D | 17:32 |
| Venemo | mhm | 17:32 |
| *** petrux has quit IRC | 17:33 | |
| * lcuk goes grabbing lunch | 17:34 | |
| *** ctusar has joined #meego | 17:38 | |
| *** chris-qBT has joined #meego | 17:40 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has joined #meego | 17:40 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has joined #meego | 17:41 | |
| *** eijk_ is now known as eijk | 17:42 | |
| *** amjad has quit IRC | 17:43 | |
| *** tmpsantos has quit IRC | 17:44 | |
| *** Dan_Mihai_BU_RO has quit IRC | 17:46 | |
| *** asbhatti has quit IRC | 17:46 | |
| *** m1ght3th0r has joined #meego | 17:47 | |
| *** W_I has quit IRC | 17:49 | |
| *** jpe has quit IRC | 17:49 | |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| *** jpetersen has quit IRC | 17:51 | |
| *** dgc03052 has joined #meego | 17:51 | |
| *** calvaris has joined #meego | 17:52 | |
| *** pixelgeek has joined #meego | 17:56 | |
| *** vasvlad has joined #meego | 17:57 | |
| *** cymacs has quit IRC | 17:58 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 17:59 | |
| *** phaeron has quit IRC | 18:01 | |
| *** akk has joined #meego | 18:04 | |
| *** DawnFoster has joined #meego | 18:04 | |
| *** srag has quit IRC | 18:05 | |
| *** ottela has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** tbf has joined #meego | 18:09 | |
| *** wazd has joined #meego | 18:13 | |
| *** snowpong has quit IRC | 18:15 | |
| *** naba has joined #meego | 18:16 | |
| *** larin has joined #meego | 18:20 | |
| *** UltraDM has quit IRC | 18:20 | |
| *** hcarrega has quit IRC | 18:23 | |
| *** cardinal has joined #meego | 18:25 | |
| *** ericlr has joined #meego | 18:26 | |
| *** chris-qBT has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| *** fredy has joined #meego | 18:28 | |
| *** jpetersen has joined #meego | 18:35 | |
| *** kikiwq has joined #meego | 18:41 | |
| *** iolao has quit IRC | 18:42 | |
| *** cardinal has quit IRC | 18:44 | |
| *** cardinal has joined #meego | 18:45 | |
| *** kikiwq has quit IRC | 18:45 | |
| *** iekku_ has joined #meego | 18:46 | |
| *** mikecomputing has joined #meego | 18:49 | |
| *** timeless has joined #meego | 18:50 | |
| timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/source/qt-mobility/src/3rdparty/proj/PJ_sconics.c#49 | 18:50 |
| * timeless sighs | 18:50 | |
| lcuk | hi timeless \o | 18:51 |
| timeless | hi | 18:51 |
| * timeless is kinda wandering around | 18:51 | |
| * lcuk too | 18:51 | |
| *** dgc03052 has quit IRC | 18:51 | |
| * timeless heads out | 18:51 | |
| lcuk | \o flying visit only? | 18:52 |
| timeless | oh, i'm home in HEL | 18:52 |
| gabrbedd | timeless: hey, bro! | 18:52 |
| gabrbedd | timeless: bye, bro! | 18:52 |
| timeless | just got distracted by things and am about to run out of window space for a task | 18:52 |
| timeless | hi | 18:52 |
| *** qgil_ has joined #meego | 18:54 | |
| gabrbedd | timeless: PJ_sconics -- aren't we supposed to refresh the RAM periodically?? :-p | 18:56 |
| *** cardinal is now known as hcarrega | 18:57 | |
| *** gabor_ has quit IRC | 18:58 | |
| *** Naveen has quit IRC | 19:00 | |
| *** akk has quit IRC | 19:02 | |
| *** gaveen has joined #meego | 19:02 | |
| *** onen|openBmap has joined #meego | 19:04 | |
| *** kaawee has joined #meego | 19:05 | |
| *** unclewerner has quit IRC | 19:06 | |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #meego | 19:09 | |
| *** jimmy1980 has quit IRC | 19:09 | |
| *** jimmy1980 has joined #meego | 19:09 | |
| *** bdub_ has joined #meego | 19:10 | |
| *** MostafaDaneshvar has joined #meego | 19:11 | |
| *** Richrd_ has joined #meego | 19:12 | |
| *** smooph has joined #meego | 19:13 | |
| *** eijk_ has joined #meego | 19:13 | |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 19:14 | |
| *** eijk_ is now known as eijk | 19:15 | |
| *** srag has joined #meego | 19:19 | |
| *** mauricelynch has quit IRC | 19:20 | |
| *** Richrd__ has joined #meego | 19:21 | |
| *** Richrd_ has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| *** smooph has quit IRC | 19:23 | |
| *** MostafaDaneshvar has left #meego | 19:23 | |
| *** smooph has joined #meego | 19:24 | |
| *** W_I has joined #meego | 19:25 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 19:25 | |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 19:26 | |
| *** ph0b028 has joined #meego | 19:26 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 19:29 | |
| *** Chinmaya has joined #meego | 19:31 | |
| *** smooph has quit IRC | 19:33 | |
| *** javiF has quit IRC | 19:36 | |
| *** jlamadon has quit IRC | 19:36 | |
| *** Naveen has joined #meego | 19:39 | |
| *** mikhailz has quit IRC | 19:40 | |
| *** chris-qBT has joined #meego | 19:41 | |
| *** Naveen_ has joined #meego | 19:41 | |
| *** Naveen_ has quit IRC | 19:42 | |
| *** Naveen has quit IRC | 19:42 | |
| *** Naveen has joined #meego | 19:42 | |
| MarcA-N | Last day to participate!! SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS: The MeeGo San Francisco conference planning committee is seeking to feature select quotes/phrases on conference signage. Please help us make this a community centric event! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T6P5C8H | 19:44 |
| *** slaine has quit IRC | 19:44 | |
| *** mikecomputing_ has joined #meego | 19:45 | |
| *** mikecomputing has quit IRC | 19:46 | |
| * khertan still didn't understand why every meego addict push dev to use QML. It s far from being ready for doing apps | 19:46 | |
| Stskeeps | khertan: together with components it's better, but yeah, there's lacks | 19:47 |
| alterego | Not sure "meego addict" really matters there ;) | 19:47 |
| alterego | Try "Qt addict" :P | 19:47 |
| khertan | alterego: yeah it s apply to people working at nokia to | 19:47 |
| khertan | qt addict didn't apply ... i like qt ... i hate qml | 19:48 |
| khertan | :) | 19:48 |
| alterego | We like shiney :P | 19:48 |
| alterego | Why don't you like QML? | 19:48 |
| khertan | syntax ... a pain to use ... slower on n900 :) | 19:48 |
| *** tbf_ has joined #meego | 19:48 | |
| Stskeeps | did you use --opengl? | 19:48 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:49 |
| khertan | and need to reinvent the wheel | 19:49 |
| alterego | Just one '-' | 19:49 |
| khertan | Stskeeps: yep | 19:49 |
| lcuk | khertan, you are a python developer :P how can you say anything is slower | 19:49 |
| * alterego chuckles | 19:49 | |
| khertan | lcuk: because a python developper can do thing fast if he know how to let python interpreter loop in the c libs :) | 19:49 |
| alterego | Which is what QML mostly does :P | 19:50 |
| khertan | compare to what ? qwidget ? | 19:50 |
| alterego | Well, should | 19:50 |
| khertan | i didn't think :) | 19:50 |
| lcuk | and khertan as I once explained in great detail that to get the speed you would have to build from the ground up using a set of minimal components. | 19:50 |
| alterego | Which seems to be really fashionable now-a-days :) | 19:51 |
| * lcuk actually thinks QML in that regard is more than reasonable, but still needs some hammering | 19:51 | |
| * gabrbedd started a project in QML... and ended up using QGraphicsView | 19:52 | |
| *** tbf has quit IRC | 19:52 | |
| *** arkub has quit IRC | 19:52 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, what component did you put inside the graphicsview? | 19:52 |
| *** ssvb has joined #meego | 19:53 | |
| lcuk | and would it have been practical to make that a plugin widget | 19:53 |
| lcuk | so that any qml app could use it | 19:53 |
| lcuk | (hich was how I thought QML was going to be more like from first place) | 19:53 |
| * lcuk still wonders why qt-creator cannot create a widget, then from the toolbox create direct instances of that widget | 19:54 | |
| lcuk | something visual basic had for many many years | 19:54 |
| *** srag has quit IRC | 19:55 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: It was mostly custom components implementing piano keyboard-like widgets. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, so how would alterego use a piano keyboard input method on the dialer? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | contrived example I know | 19:56 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: For example, with a piano keyboard it made more sense to redraw the keys than to have individual rectangles that track their own states. | 19:56 |
| lcuk | but in visual basic, you could make a piano ocx and use it in many projects | 19:56 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I understand entirely | 19:57 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I'm not sure how. Maybe something like the Qt Designer UI plugins. | 19:58 |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 19:58 | |
| lcuk | I have made some qwidget toys during time I have been playing | 19:58 |
| *** srag has joined #meego | 19:58 | |
| *** toabctl has joined #meego | 19:58 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, it is certainly not something that comes easily in qt creator | 19:58 |
| lcuk | I poked and prodded at it many times | 19:58 |
| *** pmccarty has joined #meego | 19:58 | |
| *** Richrd__ has quit IRC | 19:58 | |
| lcuk | even making a brand new milkbottle widget then trying to use it within the same project is hard | 19:59 |
| lcuk | there is some replacement thingy where you create checkboxes and tell qt creator to replace all checkboxes with milkbottles | 19:59 |
| * lcuk fried head first time I tried that | 20:00 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: hee hee | 20:00 |
| * lcuk finds the official name of the checkbox to milkbottle replacement doofer | 20:00 | |
| DawnFoster | events meeting starting in #meego-meeting now | 20:01 |
| *** naba_ has joined #meego | 20:01 | |
| DawnFoster | for anyone interested in meego conference and other events | 20:01 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: it's coming.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3NjhDevg0 | 20:01 |
| DawnFoster | Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings | 20:01 |
| *** jas4711 has joined #meego | 20:01 | |
| gabrbedd | Well, the introspection that VB uses is provided by OLE/COM | 20:01 |
| lcuk | ahhh Promoted Widgets (you have to right click on a ridget in the UX designer) | 20:02 |
| gabrbedd | And today that sort of functionality is coming through DBUS. | 20:02 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, vb introspection is awesome | 20:02 |
| gabrbedd | The reliable way to do it on linux is to publish your stuff as a lib. | 20:02 |
| *** kaawee has quit IRC | 20:02 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, yes indeed. | 20:02 |
| *** naba has quit IRC | 20:02 | |
| *** pixelgeek1 has joined #meego | 20:03 | |
| gabrbedd | But if people want really slow, introspective types... I'm sure they'll come up with some dbus-ey way to do it. | 20:03 |
| gabrbedd | The OTHER problem in linux is mixing GUI widgets between toolkits. | 20:03 |
| *** pixelgeek has quit IRC | 20:03 | |
| gabrbedd | It's not easily done... not even with XEmbed. | 20:03 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, it is the boilerplate I believe, qt introspection can handle much of it I believe | 20:03 |
| gabrbedd | It's easier to do on Windows where there is One GUI to rule them all. | 20:04 |
| *** setanta has quit IRC | 20:04 | |
| *** piggz has joined #meego | 20:05 | |
| gabrbedd | 750 registered for #MeeGoConf | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | already? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's good, i guess | 20:07 |
| *** jimmy1980 has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| *** kaawee has joined #meego | 20:08 | |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: feeling the head? :-) | 20:08 |
| gabrbedd | s/head/heat/ | 20:08 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: Stskeeps: feeling the heat? :-) | 20:08 |
| *** Kaadlajk has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| *** setanta has joined #meego | 20:09 | |
| * w00t_ bets DawnFoster is the wolf | 20:09 | |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: Who me? *puts on her innocent village face* | 20:10 |
| * gabrbedd is thinking "vegetarian vampire" | 20:10 | |
| *** naba_ has quit IRC | 20:10 | |
| DawnFoster | how can this gentle vegetarian possibly be eating people at night? | 20:10 |
| *** sigma6 has quit IRC | 20:11 | |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, with salt and pepper. | 20:11 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 20:12 |
| *** lynxis has quit IRC | 20:12 | |
| * lcuk looks at Tracy bump and wonders just how to get to SF | 20:13 | |
| w00t_ | get the wolf to eat her | 20:13 |
| w00t_ | (i've heard babies are doubly nutritious) | 20:14 |
| * w00t_ runs | 20:14 | |
| lcuk | you obviously have not been in the same room as Tracy, she would tell the wolf off and send it to bed with no supper | 20:14 |
| MarcA-N | DawnFoster as a werewolf simply means she gets us villagers hunted down so she may steal our Portabella crops... | 20:15 |
| DawnFoster | innocent little me?? | 20:17 |
| MarcA-N | hardly! | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | *thinking that I've played too many games of werewolf with MarcA-N* | 20:17 |
| Jartza | *yawn* | 20:18 |
| Jartza | 6 days of rovio academy | 20:18 |
| Jartza | behind | 20:18 |
| Jartza | 1.5 days to go | 20:18 |
| *** Flanbix has joined #meego | 20:19 | |
| * sofar sick at home | 20:20 | |
| * Stskeeps passes sofar chicken soup | 20:20 | |
| * lcuk could not really understand werewolf and prefers different simpler games | 20:20 | |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: we should have people bring other games to play, too | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | BTW, after you've played a couple of games it gets *way* easier | 20:21 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, what was great was watching the games :) | 20:21 |
| lcuk | I did have a try on night | 20:22 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, they are awesome to watch | 20:22 |
| DawnFoster | being moderator is actually really fun :) | 20:22 |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 20:22 | |
| * lcuk nods | 20:22 | |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, playing foosball with 6 of us and rotating was great | 20:23 |
| lcuk | hardly time to pickup a beer :P | 20:23 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: yeah, we're trying harder to have more activities so that people have some things to choose from | 20:23 |
| DawnFoster | and doing more to promote the hacker lounge | 20:23 |
| DawnFoster | last time, lots of people didn't even know about it until they read blog posts after the confernce | 20:24 |
| lcuk | it promoted itself quite well last time :) | 20:24 |
| w00t_ | I was always too bloody tired for the hacker lounge | 20:24 |
| w00t_ | :P | 20:24 |
| lcuk | reasonable, I suppose doing it properly would help | 20:24 |
| w00t_ | it was always a case of getting back to the hotel, "I'll just rest for a minute" *collapse* | 20:25 |
| lcuk | replace *collapse* with irc/irc/irc/irc/irc and you are right :P | 20:25 |
| w00t_ | nah, i didn't really do much of that, at least iirc | 20:25 |
| * lcuk enjoyed actually talking with folks :) | 20:26 | |
| w00t_ | lcuk: so make sure you get there again, then | 20:26 |
| lcuk | trying. | 20:26 |
| lcuk | hoping. | 20:26 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:26 |
| *** mmc has joined #meego | 20:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t_: yeah, key is going straight to the lounge. :P | 20:27 |
| *** kaawee has quit IRC | 20:28 | |
| lcuk | with your badge on | 20:28 |
| w00t_ | GeneralAntilles: I have a better chance of that this time, since I'm staying some 20-30 minutes walk away from the hotel | 20:28 |
| DawnFoster | drinking strong irish tea all day was my key to staying awake in dublin :) | 20:28 |
| DawnFoster | I didn't crash until the last evening (when I crashed really hard) | 20:29 |
| arfoll | tea? you do know they have a very good coffee in ireland ;-) | 20:29 |
| *** kaawee has joined #meego | 20:29 | |
| *** vasvlad has quit IRC | 20:29 | |
| w00t_ | my solution in san francisco will be to have special nag me constantly about random things so I can't get enough peace and quiet to rest :P | 20:30 |
| *** Kaadlajk has joined #meego | 20:30 | |
| DawnFoster | arfoll: well, I like coffee a little too much, so I normally drink green / herbal tea at home | 20:30 |
| *** mmc has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| DawnFoster | I forgot how strong Irish tea was, but it worked to my advantage :) | 20:30 |
| lcuk | is there a big vote or something tomorrow here in the uk? | 20:31 |
| arfoll | lcuk, yes the voting system thing ;-) | 20:31 |
| lcuk | ahh yes | 20:32 |
| w00t_ | isn't that the 5th? | 20:33 |
| Robot101 | yeah the 5th | 20:34 |
| *** jpe has joined #meego | 20:34 | |
| * w00t_ actually remembered a date for once | 20:35 | |
| w00t_ | I think this needs to go down in history | 20:35 |
| lcuk | it is already as you said at 18:34 :P | 20:36 |
| alterego | Wait what? | 20:37 |
| alterego | What voting thing? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | democracy fail | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | the AV/FPTP thing | 20:37 |
| alterego | Urgh | 20:37 |
| * lcuk saw excellent link explaining it using cats and dogs | 20:37 | |
| *** bdub_ has quit IRC | 20:38 | |
| *** swc|666 has joined #meego | 20:39 | |
| *** mmc has joined #meego | 20:39 | |
| *** toabctl has quit IRC | 20:39 | |
| *** pavank10 has quit IRC | 20:43 | |
| lcuk | question btw: I have an n900 with disconnected usb power thingy and no traces to put it down onto, I also have a big size 9 soldering iron. whilst I have some soldering skill do not feel really comfortable, has anyone made up a diagram showing where I could run some fine data wires to other parts of the board so I can carry on using it easily? | 20:43 |
| lcuk | the usb is completely lifted and have to charge battery externally and do mmc copies using an external reader | 20:44 |
| * lcuk poking around in n900 bits now | 20:45 | |
| *** ericlr has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| *** maligor has joined #meego | 20:48 | |
| gabrbedd | Hardware adaptation question: I have a device with two buttons that I'm going to re-map to be a window switcher (kinda like Alt+Tab). I've figured out how to patch meego-ux-daemon to do this.... | 20:48 |
| gabrbedd | Question: Is there a prefererred X11 button type to remap these to? | 20:49 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| lcuk | http://sites.google.com/site/svcr0c0/n900 is epoxy version | 20:49 |
| * lcuk has usb port in hand though | 20:50 | |
| gabrbedd | E.g. the home button is XK_Super_L and XK_Super_R | 20:50 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, the OS key usually? | 20:50 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: That's the super key... It's already being used. | 20:50 |
| *** diegohcg has joined #meego | 20:50 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, which hero? | 20:51 |
| gabrbedd | Tabberman, with his youthful ward Altkey. | 20:52 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 20:52 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, use one of the x11 event tracing things | 20:52 |
| lcuk | and press the key | 20:52 |
| lcuk | it should report the sym used | 20:52 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: It's up/down. Would not be a good idea to use those. | 20:52 |
| lcuk | up+down perhaps | 20:53 |
| *** Chinmaya has quit IRC | 20:54 | |
| *** chris-qBT has quit IRC | 20:55 | |
| *** TheOpenSourcerer has left #meego | 20:55 | |
| *** dazo is now known as dazo_afk | 20:55 | |
| gabrbedd | I'm thinking I should either use XK_Hyper_L / XK_Hyper_R (whatever *that* is)... or XF86XK_ApplicationLeft / XF86XK_ApplicationRight | 20:57 |
| gabrbedd | Looks like the Hyper key is probably the same as the windows "Menu" key. | 21:01 |
| *** swc|666_ has joined #meego | 21:02 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I can set a udev rule to define the keycode that the actual button sends. Then I can config meego-ux-daemon to listen for that keypress. | 21:02 |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 21:04 | |
| *** kraiskil has joined #meego | 21:06 | |
| *** marcob has quit IRC | 21:06 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, and you just spoke greek to me. | 21:07 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Μπορώ να ορίσετε έναν κανόνα udev να καθορίσει το keycode ότι η πραγματική κουμπί στέλνει. Τότε μπορώ να config meego-UX-daemon να ακούσουν για το πάτημα των πλήκτρων. | 21:08 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:08 |
| timoph | looks nice | 21:09 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Anyway... I can override the keypress that the button sends at the kernel level (udev rule) | 21:10 |
| lcuk | roger | 21:10 |
| *** onen|openBmap has quit IRC | 21:14 | |
| *** drizztbsd_ has joined #meego | 21:15 | |
| *** githogori has joined #meego | 21:20 | |
| *** naba has joined #meego | 21:21 | |
| *** naba has quit IRC | 21:25 | |
| *** arkub has joined #meego | 21:28 | |
| *** mer_ge has joined #meego | 21:29 | |
| gabrbedd | (...was on phone...) | 21:30 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Anyway, I wanted to choose a key code that wouldn't cause problems when the user plugs in a USB keyboard. | 21:30 |
| gabrbedd | "Dude!! Whenever I press 'n' the darn window changes! WTF??" | 21:30 |
| *** phinaliumz has quit IRC | 21:31 | |
| *** W_I has quit IRC | 21:32 | |
| *** arfoll has quit IRC | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, normal | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: ping | 21:38 |
| *** drizztbsd_ has quit IRC | 21:40 | |
| *** drizztbsd_ has joined #meego | 21:41 | |
| * lcuk recalls Barcelona meetup where spending a whole weekend with Nokia folks discussing moving a single button in ui :) | 21:42 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: :-) | 21:43 |
| * lcuk begrudgingly agreed that on the phone it would be moved :) | 21:43 | |
| *** villev has joined #meego | 21:44 | |
| DawnFoster | hey Jaffa | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Hey. Wondered if you could prod Brian about http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-May/004024.html | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: bugged him about it this am | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: ...but it may well be public holidays around and about in the US as well. | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Ah, cool. Thanks | 21:45 |
| *** thiago_home has joined #meego | 21:45 | |
| DawnFoster | he needs to sort out a couple of technical issues around how roommates needs to work | 21:45 |
| DawnFoster | hoping to have it up this afternoon | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 21:45 |
| *** dak has joined #meego | 21:45 | |
| *** dak has quit IRC | 21:48 | |
| Ronksu | btw. are the conference rates for hotels available only from sunday onwards? | 21:48 |
| *** kimmok has quit IRC | 21:48 | |
| *** jevin has quit IRC | 21:49 | |
| Ronksu | at leats the registration gives 22nd as the earliest possible date, even though there is the early bird stuff during weekend | 21:49 |
| lcuk | how do apps handle moving UX chrome between the uxes? (ie differences in placement of virtual buttonage) | 21:50 |
| * lcuk notes from qt-creator simulator the virtual buttons are in different places on different platforms | 21:50 | |
| Jaffa | Ronksu: The extent of the conference rates at the hotels is one of the things being looked into | 21:50 |
| Ronksu | jaffa: alrighty | 21:51 |
| alterego | sunday onwards? I heard it was for 4 nights and (yes) they include the warm up? | 21:52 |
| *** weggi_ has joined #meego | 21:52 | |
| *** weggi_ has left #meego | 21:53 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Is there an API for virtual buttons? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I think so | 21:53 |
| lcuk | but I always had mind to have back button in lower left which is different to every other platform | 21:54 |
| lcuk | but idk how that would be configured for apps | 21:54 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: By virtual buttons... you mean a soft-key? A hardware button that's reassignable in the software? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | (the reasoning is simple: gorrila arm, when wall mounted you don't want to have to reach to the top every single time) | 21:55 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, in maemo there is a back/close button in top right | 21:55 |
| lcuk | and in liqbase I had that button combo in the bottom left | 21:56 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: That sounds like what MTF calls "window decorators" Right? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | probably | 21:56 |
| lcuk | on symbian there is a button column | 21:57 |
| lcuk | in maemo it is in the decoration | 21:57 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Where you have a window switcher button, title, and close button at the top of the screen? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | yeah but since everything was fullscreen it is only the buttons really, though should involve all those | 21:58 |
| * lcuk just composited the buttons ontop and pre-filtered the mouse events to check clicks so it was a bit simpler | 21:59 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: AFAIK, there's no coordination between UX's on that. For example, the Tablet UX has sternly removed the decorators and recommends that apps /not/ provide their own. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | yes indeed | 21:59 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Netbook actually works more like Tablet in this regard... except that it draws a frame around your window. | 22:00 |
| *** jevin has joined #meego | 22:00 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Are decorators back on the Handset? (They got removed when Tablet UX hit the builds) | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | there was a fork of compositor, afaik | 22:01 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, something seems to be | 22:01 |
| lcuk | though the top bar on handset breaks fitts law | 22:01 |
| lcuk | since you can no longer tap in the corner of the screen | 22:02 |
| lcuk | (in the case of the close button) | 22:02 |
| lcuk | you have to aim a little lower which is frustrating | 22:02 |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 22:02 | |
| lcuk | bug 16611 | 22:02 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16611 nor, Undecided, ---, kevron_m_rees, NEW, Clicking on the clock in top right should send close action | 22:02 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: yes, I saw the start of the discussion... but didn't follow it through to see if they did it. | 22:02 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I remember you/someone talking about that bug. | 22:03 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:03 | |
| lcuk | well I filed it gabrbedd so likely me | 22:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:04 |
| *** clbr has joined #meego | 22:04 | |
| *** ware1 has joined #meego | 22:06 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: What package provides that bar, anyway? Is that provided by mdecorator? | 22:06 |
| gabrbedd | (...which is part of mcompositor) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I am not sure of where any of that side lives | 22:07 |
| *** halvors has quit IRC | 22:08 | |
| * lcuk finds the x11 compositing and wm stuff hairier than anything and engineers who know it are superstars | 22:08 | |
| * lcuk got lost many times in x11 complexity and still gets it wrong | 22:09 | |
| *** thiago_home has quit IRC | 22:10 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yeah, that's been my experience with mcompositor, too. | 22:11 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I can't understand it well enough to tell if it's superstars or scoundrels. | 22:11 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I've been happy trapsing through the meego-ux-daemon code, though. | 22:12 |
| MarcA-N | SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS: The MeeGo San Francisco conference planning committee is seeking to feature select quotes/phrases on conference signage. Please help us make this a community centric event! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T6P5C8H | 22:13 |
| *** DawnFoster has quit IRC | 22:14 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has quit IRC | 22:15 | |
| *** thiago_home has joined #meego | 22:16 | |
| *** drizztbsd_ has quit IRC | 22:23 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #meego | 22:26 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #meego | 22:26 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, you only reminded me about that based on your button press thing, the n810 had a hardware button in reasonable place | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me | 22:31 |
| * Stskeeps checks in on his armv6+vfp hardfp build | 22:31 | |
| lcuk | that would run on n810? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:31 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:31 |
| lcuk | awesome | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | it'll take 1 week or so for tht lone machine to build everythin | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:32 |
| lcuk | venemo was just saying, his native qt app now runs across the spectrum | 22:32 |
| lcuk | maemo4,maemo5,meego,symbian,windows | 22:32 |
| *** ctusar has quit IRC | 22:33 | |
| lcuk | lol Stskeeps are you self building on n810? | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | no | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | on a machine standing at my dads | 22:34 |
| lcuk | is it in obs? | 22:34 |
| lcuk | ahh | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | in a obs | 22:34 |
| sofar | your dads? | 22:34 |
| *** toniher_casa has joined #meego | 22:34 | |
| *** chris-qBT has joined #meego | 22:34 | |
| sofar | that reminds me, I need to install meego side-by-side the infested windows installation on my mother-in-law's laptop | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. we have a deal, i have a backup server standing there, i pay for his domains | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:35 |
| * sofar got another "can you help me, my internet does not work" call this week | 22:35 | |
| *** phaeron has joined #meego | 22:36 | |
| * lcuk can barely afford to pay for anything | 22:36 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: long story short, i want to try wayland, meego and hardfp on there, just for kicks :P | 22:36 |
| *** tchan has quit IRC | 22:37 | |
| gabrbedd | sofar: Mom, would you /please/ stop clicking random stuff? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | can wayland run using the xvideo RGB mode? you can still do the resolution adjustment using that (if I remember rightly and the video mode was implemented) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no xorg involved would be the idea | 22:38 |
| *** tchan has joined #meego | 22:38 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah sure but the video mode stuff still needs setting | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's a framebuffer, already kinda pre-setup :P | 22:38 |
| lcuk | and if the lcd driver prodices variable resolution | 22:39 |
| *** swc|666_ has quit IRC | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | as it seems to for xvideo | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | i guess you'd have quite a kick out of making a compositor for it | 22:39 |
| *** swc|666_ has joined #meego | 22:39 | |
| krh | Stskeeps: also: http://people.freedesktop.org/~krh/meego-under-x.png | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | krh: cool | 22:39 |
| *** swc|666_ has quit IRC | 22:40 | |
| *** swc|666 has joined #meego | 22:40 | |
| *** Ian-- has joined #meego | 22:41 | |
| *** Ian--- has quit IRC | 22:41 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, my fingers have not recovered from last time I coded stuff like that and it was not pretty then | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | krh: how badly did you have to beat the current tablet stack for that? | 22:43 |
| w00t_ | krh: woah, you're making fast progress | 22:43 |
| krh | Stskeeps: very little | 22:44 |
| lcuk | see how it looks when it comes out of the oven at your dads and we can have a fly around and see where the bits needing attention are | 22:44 |
| krh | all qml run unchanged | 22:44 |
| krh | except that I'm using qtquick 2.0 | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:44 |
| krh | ie: | 22:44 |
| krh | -import Qt 4.7 | 22:44 |
| krh | +import QtQuick 2.0 | 22:44 |
| * w00t_ votes krh for president | 22:44 | |
| Stskeeps | krh: were you coming by sf2011 by the way? | 22:45 |
| krh | it uses the wayland sample compositor | 22:46 |
| krh | with a meego plugin | 22:46 |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 22:46 | |
| krh | and a slightly modified meego-ux-daemon | 22:46 |
| krh | Stskeeps: yup | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | good - i'll definately be at the lighthouse/qt-compositor and the meego-wayland talk | 22:46 |
| *** qgil has quit IRC | 22:46 | |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: probably no visa for me | 22:46 |
| *** eijk has joined #meego | 22:47 | |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: :/ | 22:47 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: maitery will ask someone else to take over her session | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok, well, at least you can manually adjust the speakers on the session | 22:47 |
| phaeron | how do I cancel the reservation that I made on the website .. | 22:47 |
| phaeron | yes I need to | 22:48 |
| *** mattock has quit IRC | 22:48 | |
| w00t_ | phaeron: :( | 22:48 |
| phaeron | probably my name + the osama thing wouldn't work out as well :P | 22:50 |
| jonnor | I need to take a screenshot on the tablet ux. What is the easiest way to do this? | 22:50 |
| lcuk | grab a camera | 22:51 |
| * lcuk is not joking, this should be OS level available to help people to diagnose/share/show off their nice things | 22:51 | |
| jonnor | That does not give me a screenshot. I need to be able to get the color values of some of the stuff on the screen. | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor: we use cat /dev/fb0 and ffmpeg on n900 | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | (i wish i was kidding) | 22:52 |
| jonnor | I guess that is the easiest way. | 22:53 |
| *** qgil has joined #meego | 22:53 | |
| *** Naveen has quit IRC | 22:55 | |
| *** juliank has quit IRC | 22:58 | |
| *** dl9pf_ has joined #meego | 23:01 | |
| *** dl9pf has quit IRC | 23:01 | |
| *** smoku has left #meego | 23:03 | |
| jonnor | gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png | 23:10 |
| jonnor | is convenient as the ffmpeg binary does not seems to be easily installable | 23:11 |
| *** foolano has quit IRC | 23:11 | |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 23:12 | |
| *** eijk_ has joined #meego | 23:12 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 23:13 | |
| *** citn has joined #meego | 23:15 | |
| *** kraiskil has quit IRC | 23:15 | |
| *** ware1 has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** h05t has joined #meego | 23:16 | |
| *** smoku has joined #meego | 23:17 | |
| alterego | jonnor: that's awesome :) | 23:18 |
| alterego | Never occured to me to do it that way :D | 23:18 |
| alterego | But it seems so obvious now .. | 23:19 |
| *** lynxis has joined #meego | 23:22 | |
| *** h05t has left #meego | 23:23 | |
| *** pohly has quit IRC | 23:23 | |
| *** chris-qBT has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| *** andyross has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| *** marciom has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| *** eijk_ has joined #meego | 23:26 | |
| *** andyross has joined #meego | 23:27 | |
| *** smoku has left #meego | 23:27 | |
| *** eijk__ has joined #meego | 23:28 | |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| *** Armi^ has joined #meego | 23:29 | |
| *** akk has joined #meego | 23:29 | |
| *** TheOpenSourcerer has joined #meego | 23:29 | |
| *** berndhs has quit IRC | 23:34 | |
| *** TheOpenSourcerer has left #meego | 23:36 | |
| *** florenti1 is now known as Florentia | 23:37 | |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 23:37 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #meego | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | jonnor, :D | 23:38 |
| *** baraujo has joined #meego | 23:39 | |
| *** mortenvp has joined #meego | 23:41 | |
| *** eijk has joined #meego | 23:47 | |
| *** eijk__ has quit IRC | 23:49 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
