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| mikhas | on the N900, for MeeGo Touch applications, there's this "n900de" theme - is there another theme for end users? or is it only base + n900de? | 00:09 |
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| CosmoHill | [21:51] -Global- Attention Mr. botnet owner: Please go die. Thank you. | 00:32 |
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| leinir | what the buggery meh... why is rpm crashing out so often on the tablet ux? filling up /tmp with cores :P | 00:38 |
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| leinir | attempts to do something every eight minutes, crashes three times in a row with a four second interval, dumps a core each time... fills up my disk in a couple of hours | 00:40 |
| gabrbedd | leinir: sounds like a problem with corewatcher. (just a guess) | 00:42 |
| leinir | indeed | 00:42 |
| * gabrbedd wonders what happens if corewatcher segfaults while analyzing its own core.... hmmmm.... | 00:43 | |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: a point singularity forms. | 00:49 |
| alterego | I think they're aiming to do that at the LHC | 00:49 |
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| * lbt wonders which is cheaper... | 00:54 | |
| gabrbedd | alterego: :-) | 00:55 |
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| leinir | lbt: lhc *nods* definitely | 00:58 |
| * alterego wonders if there's any more news on the developer device program front | 00:58 | |
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| alterego | There was some news about an Exo DDP last week | 00:58 |
| berndhs | LHC keeps a large number of physicists off the streets, imagine all those guys running loose | 00:58 |
| alterego | Wow, and as if by magick ... DawnFoster appears from nowhere! :D | 00:59 |
| lbt | berndhs: scary... like a debconf | 00:59 |
| alterego | I swear I'm always putting my foot in it. | 00:59 |
| DawnFoster | uh oh. What did I miss :) | 00:59 |
| lbt | alterego: that's a white hole I think | 00:59 |
| alterego | A white hole? | 00:59 |
| alterego | So what is it? | 00:59 |
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| lbt | it's where you pop out the other side ;) | 00:59 |
| alterego | lbt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0 | 01:00 |
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| alterego | DawnFoster: nothing, I was just asking if anyone had heard any more news about the DDP | 01:00 |
| lbt | alterego: precisely | 01:00 |
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| djszapi | alterego: btw you mentioned this dialer success :) How about the receiving calls, still opened dialer that I need to use for that ? | 01:01 |
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| DawnFoster | by DDP are you referring to the community device program? | 01:01 |
| alterego | djszapi: I'm working with some people on that. Incoming call is being held up by a bug in the current headless dialer branch. | 01:01 |
| alterego | DawnFoster: Ah, CDP then :D | 01:02 |
| DawnFoster | we're hoping to have the application ready in the next week or so | 01:02 |
| djszapi | alterego: yeah, but it is under redesign for a while :) | 01:02 |
| alterego | It's unlikely to make it to 1.2 | 01:02 |
| alterego | But should be in DE | 01:02 |
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| alterego | Actually, it probably will be in 1.2 | 01:03 |
| djszapi | actually that is a nice answer. :) I mean at least anybody could tell anything, thank you :) | 01:03 |
| djszapi | oh? | 01:03 |
| alterego | I think headless is a required feature AKA blocker | 01:03 |
| djszapi | what flag does the bug have ? | 01:03 |
| alterego | Not sure, ang on | 01:03 |
| djszapi | k | 01:04 |
| alterego | We're having the dialer meeting tomorrow afternoon actually. | 01:04 |
| alterego | I think this extra month will help | 01:04 |
| lcuk | djszapi, bug 7074 | 01:05 |
| lcuk | Flags: | 01:05 |
| lcuk | hirally.santiago.rodriguez: MeeGo_1.1_Release_Blocker- | 01:05 |
| lcuk | jukka.eklund: MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker+ | 01:05 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7074 nor, High, ---, michael.demeter, ASSI, Incoming call can not be answered if dialer not open when call is received. | 01:05 |
| alterego | bug 7074 | 01:05 |
| alterego | Damn you lcuk! | 01:06 |
| lcuk | as always | 01:06 |
| alterego | Your holiday has made you quick | 01:06 |
| lcuk | -evening | 01:06 |
| lcuk | nahh that was slow, you had a whole discussion first :P | 01:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:06 |
| alterego | I was looking through search results, then remembered it's in the most annoying bug list in qa-reports ;) | 01:07 |
| djszapi | hey hey lcuk and thanks :) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | alterego, that bug gets mentioned so often it is in my recent history list | 01:07 |
| alterego | Hahah | 01:08 |
| alterego | lcuk: did you hear about my success today btw? | 01:08 |
| lcuk | yes, you made first call with your qml dialer! | 01:08 |
| alterego | :) | 01:08 |
| lcuk | awesome stuff | 01:08 |
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| * mikhas fails to see how "qml" is relevant for phone calls | 01:08 | |
| alterego | Yes, it is monumental, obviously, the best thing to ever happen to MeeGo ever :) | 01:08 |
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| djszapi | mikhas: phone calls are not made from xterm :) | 01:09 |
| mikhas | unless the phone call really uses QML for VOIP or such | 01:09 |
| alterego | Well, you can in theory do it from xterm :) | 01:09 |
| mikhas | exactly | 01:09 |
| djszapi | alterego: do you do ? | 01:09 |
| alterego | djszapi: no :) | 01:10 |
| djszapi | :) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | there is a dialing component inside peregrine too which has a pile of bugs pending actually, I should file them when I get round to it | 01:10 |
| lcuk | the de is looking swanky! | 01:10 |
| alterego | lcuk: it is isn't it! | 01:10 |
| alterego | Even the latest T:T images are nice when you change the background and theme :D | 01:10 |
| lcuk | nice theme and the background makes a great amount of difference | 01:10 |
| alterego | And the transissions are so silky now | 01:10 |
| alterego | I can actually see me using this in a month or so time as a real device. | 01:11 |
| lcuk | yeah lots of improvments pushed over recent months | 01:11 |
| alterego | Not sure what PM progress is like. | 01:11 |
| lcuk | well the screen has blanking now so it should be better immediately | 01:11 |
| alterego | Yeah | 01:11 |
| lcuk | apart from bug where clicking to unblank actions the hidden button | 01:12 |
| alterego | I also like how power and lock slide are locking the screen now. | 01:12 |
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| alterego | djszapi: but yes, it seems headless is a blocking issue for 1.2 | 01:14 |
| alterego | djszapi: though this probably doesn't include my QML base UI, which works on top of headless. It'll still be the current MTF one. | 01:14 |
| djszapi | actually you do not even need operating system for phone calls :) | 01:14 |
| djszapi | just a very easy 8-bit controller, but yeah that is not the way how it is done :) | 01:15 |
| djszapi | alterego: which ui is involved in the last working weekly image ? | 01:15 |
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| alterego | djszapi: it's still all MTF | 01:16 |
| djszapi | I will check your QML one out at some point :) | 01:16 |
| alterego | djszapi: once headless gets into shape I can maintain a proper QML UI branch, that would be the time to play with it. | 01:16 |
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| djszapi | yup :) | 01:17 |
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| alterego | But at the moment I'm working on refactoring headless and preparing it for use in QML, making it scriptable in JS etc. | 01:17 |
| alterego | And making the current MTF UI code less intrusive. | 01:17 |
| djszapi | this has been my only daily usage obstacle for quite a few weeks. Otherwise I would have started using meego :) | 01:20 |
| alterego | Well, I think power management is still the blocker for me :P | 01:20 |
| djszapi | what power management ? | 01:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:21 |
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| djszapi | I can charge the phone on meego, it is not that warm as previously. I am fine with those :) | 01:22 |
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| alterego | bed time for me, talk to you all later. | 01:28 |
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| alpsxing | Hi. I'v downloaded the latest IVI image and installed in on my Crown Bay EVB board. But it failed to load GUI. Does anyone here know why? Thanks. | 04:14 |
| the-gibson|home | any errors? have you looked through the logs? | 04:15 |
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| alpsxing | I'll check now. | 04:19 |
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| alpsxing | I found some error in the X.org log files | 04:25 |
| alpsxing | VESA(0): VESA BIOS not detected | 04:26 |
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| the-gibson|home | hmm so Vesa has to do with the video drivers | 04:28 |
| the-gibson|home | im not sure what more specificaly but I would guess it may have something to do with hw/sw graphics acceleration | 04:28 |
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| alpsxing | Thanks gibson | 04:33 |
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| alpsxing | Hi, gibson. I just reconfig the xorg.conf, and now it's working. Thanks. | 04:43 |
| berndhs | man telepathy-qt4 is seriously weird | 04:44 |
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| the-gibson|home | alpsxing: no prob | 04:57 |
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| timoph | morning | 07:10 |
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| beford | hola | 07:19 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:30 |
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| berndhs | it is | 07:31 |
| adarshaj | Hi, a quick question.. Is there a process view for the MeeGo architecture?? | 07:33 |
| adarshaj | I wanna know the way the run time components interact with each other.. | 07:33 |
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| timoph | adarshaj: something more detailed than http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture ? | 07:37 |
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| adarshaj | timoph: Actually it gives me a logical view, I wanna know the runtime interactions instead.. | 07:38 |
| timoph | you might want to ask that from the architecture mailing list. | 07:38 |
| adarshaj | timoph: could you please let me knw the place where I can find the address of the list? | 07:39 |
| timoph | adarshaj: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-architecture | 07:39 |
| adarshaj | cool, thank you :) | 07:39 |
| timoph | np | 07:39 |
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| beford | hello. | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:53 |
| beford | hi Stskeeps, how is it going? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | fine, just aking up :P | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | waking | 08:54 |
| Jartza | Hmmh | 08:54 |
| beford | :3 | 08:55 |
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| beford | just wondering, why meego netbook/tablet still uses a separate /boot ext* partition? extlinux/syslinux seems to support btrfs since 4.00 and it is at 4.04 currently | 08:59 |
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| bkalinga | Hi All, | 09:00 |
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| bkalinga | for developing your own meego touch application what SKD,Emulator,IDE you all are using | 09:01 |
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| beford | meego sdk, qemu/realdevice, qtcreator | 09:02 |
| bkalinga | could you share this info with me...as i am totaly confused ...and sure whether i am on right track | 09:02 |
| bkalinga | beford: iam using meego1.1.90 and qemu as emulator | 09:03 |
| bkalinga | when try to create a small test application using qtcreator and run it on qemu | 09:04 |
| bkalinga | it takes a long time | 09:04 |
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| bkalinga | every transition takes a hell lot of time | 09:04 |
| beford | I suppose it depends on the specs/features of your machine | 09:04 |
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| beford | does it support virtualization? I think it is used to get a faster emulation | 09:05 |
| bkalinga | i am using ubuntu 10.04 | 09:05 |
| beford | hw specs | 09:05 |
| bkalinga | yes VT is enabled in the bios | 09:05 |
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| bkalinga | lspci? | 09:06 |
| beford | there is something on the wiki to check about it, let me see | 09:06 |
| bkalinga | yeah yeah, all pre-requsite already met | 09:07 |
| beford | glxinfo|grep renderer | 09:07 |
| bkalinga | OpenGL renderer string: Quadro NVS 295/PCI/SSE2 | 09:08 |
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| beford | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration | 09:09 |
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| beford | check that site | 09:09 |
| beford | well so you have hw accelerated graphics, it should help with the performance | 09:09 |
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| bkalinga | u are able to test MTF test app on qemu? | 09:10 |
| beford | I don't use the SDK sorry | 09:10 |
| beford | but check those steps, if all of them are ok then you might want to ask on the mailing list, or wait until someone else to help here | 09:11 |
| bkalinga | So you agree that , what ever i have is an ideal set up for developing a meego application | 09:12 |
| beford | ^ check vt support, kvm loaded, and graphics hw acceleration. You seem to have graphics hw acceleration, not sure about the other too, follow the steps and check it, if all of them are okay, I believe that you should get a decent performance with the emulator | 09:14 |
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| bkalinga | ok thank beford | 09:15 |
| bkalinga | kvm_intel 39448 3 | 09:15 |
| bkalinga | kvm 245253 1 kvm_intel | 09:16 |
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| bkalinga | above is the o/p of lsmod | grep kvm | 09:16 |
| beford | so kvm is ok too | 09:16 |
| bkalinga | this mean VT is enabled..right? | 09:16 |
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| bkalinga | egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo also shows decent out put | 09:17 |
| beford | yep | 09:18 |
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| bkalinga | processor speed ...is that vital...but it is some what recent PC | 09:20 |
| bkalinga | model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3505 @ 2.53GHz | 09:20 |
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| bkalinga | i have dual processor | 09:20 |
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| beford | yea that machine should be more than enough :P | 09:24 |
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| Myrtti | yay a new daily | 09:31 |
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| bkalinga | beford: One more doubt i have; qemu is a better option for development point or chroot option is better | 09:33 |
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| beford | bkalinga, what are you developing, ARM or x86? | 09:34 |
| beford | I believe chroot + Xephyr can be faster | 09:34 |
| bkalinga | currently, i dont have a device | 09:35 |
| bkalinga | so what ever i do i need to see that in an emulator | 09:35 |
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| bkalinga | with this : Quadro NVS 295/PCI/SSE2 chroot+ Xephyr will work?? | 09:36 |
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| beford | I really don't know, sorry | 09:37 |
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| Myrtti | would be awesome if there'd be md5sums too :-/ | 09:49 |
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| peisanen | IonutGavaz: hi, are you joining meego-qa meeting at meego-meeting ? | 10:05 |
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| Myrtti | could someone tell me what the facebook integration on the tablet UX is supposed to look like or do? | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | I'm intrigued | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | also would be nice to know why twitter was in the intel image and now it's not | 10:11 |
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| beford | twitter api/tos change I believe | 10:11 |
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| Myrtti | er, right. | 10:13 |
| Myrtti | I thought the api change was in october or something | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | but oh well | 10:14 |
| beford | :3 | 10:14 |
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| beford | I got the tablet UX on my tablet, but the touchscreen is not compatible with the new input method, so I just get to see the lock screen and shutdown logo when I press the halt button. | 10:15 |
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| Myrtti | I think I'll stick with the Wetab OS for now, it is atleast somewhat useful | 10:16 |
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| jonnor | beford: what do you expect to see when you press the halt button? | 10:21 |
| beford | :P | 10:22 |
| Myrtti | jonnor: perhaps the point was that it's the only interaction available? | 10:22 |
| jonnor | oh. Too early :) | 10:23 |
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| poutsi | the qt creator from intel's windows sdk package fails to run the wizard-generated qt quick app project for the desktop target :/ | 11:47 |
| poutsi | on xp | 11:47 |
| poutsi | anyone else tried? it complains about the "copying application data" build phase, saying "invalid number of parameters" | 11:48 |
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| poutsi | maybe it just needs another reboot for good measure :p | 11:55 |
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| poutsi | ffs, did the sdk really just render my winxp laptop non-booting? | 12:00 |
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| beford | hopefully no? | 12:01 |
| lbt | poutsi: I found a way to do that to my ExoPC using the SDK yesterday :) set umask to 0007 and install to /usr/bin/<app> .... ouch! | 12:01 |
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| lbt | however.... I reported it and they're working on it now.... can't ask for much more | 12:01 |
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| poutsi | yeehaw.. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, i deleted Project:DE:Trunk:Testing, relinking it with <link, and it happens still | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so i'm wondering if we're hitting a genuine OBS bug | 12:03 |
| poutsi | :D okay, I just had a usb stick attached, it hung trying to boot from that :p | 12:03 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: possible... it's on my 'open list' ... if you want to chase in #obs though... we just had a phost go down (main web/app!) | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'll look at that later | 12:04 |
| lbt | keep me in the loop and nag me though | 12:04 |
| lbt | ta | 12:04 |
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| lbt | we have some hardware issues on meego.com all web resources (except c.obs) affected | 12:18 |
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| poutsi | it seems shadow builds are broken on the intel winxp sdk | 12:34 |
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| arfoll | what rpm changes the /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch file in meego so it boots a window manager? | 13:43 |
| arfoll | don't care if it's for netbookUX/n900/tablet whatever | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | .ks | 13:43 |
| arfoll | it's the ks? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:44 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, for example I don't see it here : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.ks | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | well desktop line does it in handset | 13:44 |
| alterego | f'ing dl speed is dire today .. | 13:45 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, ok does look like the handset does it that way, thanks alot | 13:45 |
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| arfoll | also in an RPM spec how do I specify which runlevel I want my service to run at? I manage to get it added the chkconfig list but even by manually putting chkconfig --levels 5 on my service still doesn't start | 13:47 |
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| thiago | arfoll: usually, you set the level in the init.d file | 13:47 |
| thiago | chkconfig reads it and applies as default | 13:48 |
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| arfoll | thiago, ok then where is it here for example : https://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=sshd.init&package=openssh&project=Trunk&srcmd5=634c7d4eff7b28e966cfdc0806ce32ab | 13:49 |
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| jbos | i wonder when can we expect final sessions? | 14:26 |
| jbos | iiuc there are still sessions left which still need to get approved | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's BoFs and some that got reclassified as BoFs yet | 14:27 |
| jbos | sorry BoFs? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | bird of feather sessions? | 14:29 |
| bkalinga | Why qtcreator customized for Meego does not support member completion functionality, which is available in other platforms | 14:30 |
| jbos | i see stskeeps | 14:30 |
| jbos | can we expect more sessions to get accepted? | 14:31 |
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| jbos | I mean its only a month and for me its like if my get accepted i get sponsored to join the conf. if not... well i mostlike will have more fun in getting sponsoring | 14:32 |
| jbos | :) | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | the ones in 'accepted' and http://pastie.org/1811221 are the accepted ones | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | we have 20% slots open for late breaking news, can't be a proposal proposed before and opens 2 weeks before conference. doesn't qualify for sponsorship | 14:33 |
| jbos | ok | 14:34 |
| jbos | so the accepted sessions and the list are final? | 14:34 |
| jbos | no more proposed are going to join in | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Weren't the speaker instructions supposed to go out last week? | 14:35 |
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| jbos | yes, i got confused since on the mailinglist is a claim that currently we see the "first wave" | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yesss.. | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:35 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: supposed ;) | 14:35 |
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| jbos | so it sounded like there are a lot more to come | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | jbos: yes.. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
| jbos | so is there still chance that my peregrine proposal is going to get accepted? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | we had the unthankful job of having to sort 180 fantastic proposals and only accept 72 (+ bofs) | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | so if you're not on that list, it didn't make the cut | 14:38 |
| alterego | What list? | 14:39 |
| Robot101 | jbos: hey don't worry, there's not even any talk about Telepathy at all. | 14:39 |
| alterego | There's a list!? | 14:39 |
| Robot101 | :( | 14:39 |
| alterego | Robot101: aww :( | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | there should come decline mails out today, i hope | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | [13:32] <Stskeeps> we have 20% slots open for late breaking news, can't be a proposal proposed before and opens 2 weeks before conference. doesn't qualify for sponsorship | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | is still open though | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | 20% is not exact number | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/accepted | 14:40 |
| alterego | Oh yeah, I'm not on there :) | 14:40 |
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| Myrtti | lolwhat | 14:41 |
| alterego | Though, if I get sponsorship, I'm likely to be talking a little in sabotages' talk on the dialer. | 14:41 |
| alterego | If he still wants me :D | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | the mails with acceptance/decline has been a bit confused and some never got them, including myself :) | 14:42 |
| Myrtti | mine is accepted? | 14:42 |
| Myrtti | ahem. YAY | 14:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:42 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: why aren't the ones in the pastie list on the site as accepted? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: messup somewhere | 14:44 |
| Myrtti | right | 14:44 |
| Myrtti | well... | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | give it time, i've pushed it | 14:44 |
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| Myrtti | :-D :-D :-D | 14:44 |
| Myrtti | THANK YOU UNIVERSE | 14:44 |
| Myrtti | ahem | 14:45 |
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| alterego | I guess my chances of sponsorship have sunk then :D | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | no idea, tbh :) | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | different department | 14:46 |
| alterego | That smilie is the comedic mask I stick on when I'm crying. | 14:46 |
| alterego | teehee | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | well, either way, I suppose this means that I really have to learn how to inject the damned Klexane sometime soon | 14:47 |
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| Myrtti | I might even be able schedule wise to actually be at the conference | 14:53 |
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| edheldil | Hi all, is there SimToolkit in meego for n900? | 14:57 |
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| edheldil | ~simtoolkit | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if ofono has that support | 14:59 |
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| lbt | Reissumies: also on the 'anyone else doing webkit2' topic : ask on meego-community and meego-dev mailing lists (and here) | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | my brain has turned into British mush | 15:21 |
| lbt | an improvement then? | 15:21 |
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| Myrtti | I don't know, but I started parsing the nickname as Re-issumi-es instead of the Finnish word | 15:22 |
| Myrtti | a slight wtf moment "That isn't English, wth is lbt talking about" ... "aw crap" | 15:23 |
| Myrtti | followed by facepalm | 15:23 |
| lbt | *g* | 15:23 |
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| luist | hey guys.. we make our own version of meego here with some customizations... is it possible to use AppUp store with our own applications? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | better to ask the appup guys :) | 16:42 |
| berndhs | yeah they would know | 16:43 |
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| gabrbedd | luist: I think you would need to make your apps MeeGo Compliant and also use the AppUp SDK (a DRM-like thing). | 16:43 |
| gabrbedd | luist: MeeGo Compliant apps have no deps outside of MeeGo core, and are installed in /opt/<companyname>/ (or something like that) | 16:44 |
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| luist | gabrbedd, got it... but its possible to make our own server for the applications and stuff | 16:45 |
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| luist | gabrbedd, also for the web part | 16:46 |
| gabrbedd | luist: Yeah, you'll need to contact the AppUp guys. :-) | 16:46 |
| luist | gabrbedd, is there any channel here for this? | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | their email | 16:47 |
| Myrtti | corporate drones aren't known for their IRC fu | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | luist: I don't know. AppUp feels very windows-ey... so it's all forums and stuff. I don't know of any ML's or IRC channels. | 16:47 |
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| luist | gabrbedd, hm... okay. know any site that i can check the current appup applications? | 16:48 |
| arfoll | appup.com? | 16:48 |
| gabrbedd | luist: ^^ what arfoll said | 16:49 |
| gabrbedd | AFAIk they're not up-to-speed on delivering MeeGo apps, yet... but I haven't been tracking it closely. It's clear that they believe their future is in MeeGo apps, tho. | 16:49 |
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| luist | hm.. i can only find windows installer there | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | because only windows installer is "in gold" | 16:50 |
| arfoll | luist, unfortunately the appup people seem stuck in the belief that people will want to create MeeGo apps in windows | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | meego one is in alpha state still | 16:50 |
| gabrbedd | luist: Looks like they took down the Moblin one. It was there before, though. | 16:51 |
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| Myrtti | luist, gabrbedd http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite | 16:52 |
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| luist | Myrtti, yes that will allow me to: Submit your app to the Intel AppUp center | 16:53 |
| luist | btw i want to make my own "center" | 16:53 |
| gabrbedd | Myrtti: I think he's talking about the app-store app... so that you can buy apps for your MeeGo device. | 16:53 |
| Myrtti | ... | 16:54 |
| Myrtti | the Intel AppUp client for meego netbooks and tablets is on downloadable on the page I just linked | 16:54 |
| gabrbedd | Myrtti: sorry... I didn't look. Thanks! :-) | 16:54 |
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| tomeu | fwiw and depending on your requirements, a possibility is to adapt addons.mozilla.org | 16:56 |
| tomeu | has been done before with good results | 16:56 |
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| Myrtti | and for further questions I'm sure Bjoern Taubert is more than willing to oblige | 16:57 |
| Myrtti | he seemed like a nice chap, talking about AppUp in Tampere last weekend | 16:57 |
| Myrtti | well, Bjรถrn actually. | 16:58 |
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| Myrtti | anyhoo, I need to pack my backpack to head out to our local meego network meetup | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | Myrtti: depending on country of origin this is the same last name in both cases | 17:00 |
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| lbt | luist: there was a talk about appup last weekend in Tampere | 17:04 |
| lbt | there is only a single appup centre - all apps go to it... all vendors use it. it's closed. It has a huge billing system etc | 17:05 |
| lbt | if you want an app-store then use the meego apps store ...apps-beta.meego.com | 17:05 |
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| lbt | OTOH if you want a nice distribution channel... use appup | 17:06 |
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| Aard | lbt: how get the applications in apps-beta.meego.com selected? | 17:08 |
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| lbt | Aard: what do you mean? get an app into the list? or download one that is there now? | 17:09 |
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| Aard | how do they get in the list. I just noticed that kde-mobile and calligra are listed there, which imo is bullshit | 17:09 |
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| Aard | netbook contains stuff from core as well | 17:10 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt luist : IIRC, the AppUp plan is that vendors would be able to create their own store-fronts in AppUp. | 17:16 |
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| lbt | yep ... white label only... same backend | 17:16 |
| gabrbedd | It would be based on AppUp, served by AppUp... but would look/feel the way you want it. | 17:16 |
| gabrbedd | Right. | 17:16 |
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| lbt | Aard: manually as tests by X-Fade today... | 17:17 |
| lbt | Aard: normally from MeeGo:Apps:* | 17:17 |
| Aard | lbt: and how/what stuff is supposed to go in there in the future? there are some things in my home probably other people might be interested in as well (mostly home:bwachter:nfs-support and home:bwachter:desktop) | 17:18 |
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| lbt | Aard: simple answer: they don't go in Apps. complex answer:.... | 17:20 |
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| Aard | :) | 17:21 |
| lbt | I propose both Apps+ and Surrounds | 17:21 |
| lbt | Surrounds is 'non-gui stuff' | 17:21 |
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| lbt | Apps+ depends on stuff in Apps+/Surrounds | 17:21 |
| Aard | well, if you have figured out the details, _and_ would like some of the stuff I'm doing in my freetime in there ping me ;) | 17:22 |
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| arfoll | arg! why does OBS not let you use binary git patches! | 18:18 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: Because rpm is using diff/patch and not git | 18:21 |
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| arfoll | gabrbedd, and are git binary diffs different to normal unary diffs? | 18:27 |
| arfoll | is there a way of transforming one into another? | 18:28 |
| gabrbedd | arfoll: git binary diffs are a "proprietary" git extension. | 18:30 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: Typical practice is to include whatever binary objects you have along with the .spec file, and then inside the spec file fire off commands to copy them into the source tree. | 18:31 |
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| arfoll | gabrbedd, but in this case that would be really ugly, i guess I may aswell redo a tarball | 18:33 |
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| lbt | you could, you know.... ask.... on meego-packaging..... and then document a policy/best-practice :) | 18:34 |
| lbt | (should be done by august) | 18:35 |
| arfoll | lbt, that would be really nice | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | arfoll: Or put your blobs in a tarball... | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | arfoll: But lbt has me doubting myself on whether I've told you right or not.... :-p | 18:35 |
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| arfoll | i hate the amount of work this stupid png has brought me | 18:36 |
| lbt | although... may be better to think and then *tell* people, then let them edit the wiki if they disagree | 18:36 |
| lbt | thoughts : small images (png), mp3 files, firmware... etc | 18:37 |
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| lbt | especially for more 'app' type packages | 18:37 |
| arfoll | i guess i'll have to think about it while eating easter chocolates :-) | 18:38 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: ping | 19:05 |
| lbt | when you're awake :) | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | hey lbt | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | I've been awake for 3 hours :) | 19:06 |
| lbt | :O | 19:06 |
| DawnFoster | it's 9am here & I'm an early bird who gets up at 6am | 19:06 |
| lbt | I tend to the other end of the day | 19:07 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, and I'm dozing off on the couch by 9/10pm | 19:07 |
| lbt | although sunday was up at 4:45am ... and that was 2:45am UK time... | 19:07 |
| lbt | worked through to 11pm ... long day that one :) | 19:07 |
| lbt | anyhoo (as your neighbours would say) | 19:08 |
| lbt | Would you care to register on https://circonus.com/ (and dneary if you're around) | 19:08 |
| dneary | Is the meeting on now? | 19:08 |
| * lbt has images of the startled doormouse from alice in wonderland | 19:08 | |
| dneary | Or am I still on winter time? | 19:08 |
| * alterego chuckles: http://bank.imgdumpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ipad-e1297066590983.jpg | 19:08 | |
| alterego | The quote at the end tickles me. | 19:09 |
| lbt | yep - I like that | 19:09 |
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| berndhs | well, 500 *is* better than 250 | 19:10 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:10 |
| lbt | interesting that we're now competing significantly at mech-eng problems | 19:10 |
| alterego | Yes, obviously the higher the better in this industry :D | 19:10 |
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| lbt | dneary: once you two have accounts I'll add you to the IT section and explain some stuff | 19:11 |
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| lbt | should be very useful for trend info | 19:11 |
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| dneary | lbt, what are you spamming me with now? :) | 19:13 |
| lbt | I'm going to put external monitoring for meego.com on there | 19:13 |
| lbt | if you like it as a UI and data access | 19:13 |
| lbt | then you can also get arbitrary json published data | 19:14 |
| lbt | eg #users | 19:14 |
| lbt | #logins today | 19:14 |
| dneary | alterego, That's the wrong checklist | 19:14 |
| lbt | it's a consolidation and monitor/alert service | 19:14 |
| lbt | focus is on "management reporting" | 19:14 |
| dneary | So what do I do? | 19:14 |
| lbt | register | 19:15 |
| lbt | tell me the details, I add you to the demo account | 19:15 |
| lbt | same for DawnFoster | 19:15 |
| alterego | Sounds like you're spying on us :P | 19:15 |
| dneary | Is this your company? | 19:15 |
| lbt | no | 19:15 |
| lbt | used them before based on recommendation | 19:16 |
| dneary | "I have read the terms and conditions" checkbox... yeah right | 19:16 |
| DawnFoster | have we checked with Mike / Adam before setting this up? | 19:16 |
| lbt | Stefano | 19:16 |
| DawnFoster | we need to check with Mike / Adam, too | 19:16 |
| lbt | yeah... I am on that team :) we do talk :) | 19:17 |
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| lbt | you do know that www.meego.com was down for about an hour this am | 19:17 |
| lbt | no one knew | 19:17 |
| lbt | s/would have known/ | 19:17 |
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| lbt | so this adresses that issue | 19:18 |
| ericlr | lbt: it was noticeable... | 19:18 |
| lbt | it's also *may* be useful to you two ... if you want I'll help make it useful | 19:18 |
| lbt | if you want to mess about with nagios then feel free | 19:18 |
| lbt | ericlr: yeah ... bugs went down ... that was important :) | 19:19 |
| dneary | lbt, Registered | 19:19 |
| lbt | ericlr: feel free to register too - do you have monitor/report/trend info systems for bz? | 19:20 |
| lbt | if not this may be an easy fix... if you do then no real need | 19:20 |
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| lbt | dneary: you've been invited | 19:23 |
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| ericlr | lbt: nothing I personally monitor but Steve or Stefano might have something... | 19:24 |
| lbt | dneary: I've added you read-only ... of course we can change that ... lets see how that goes | 19:24 |
| lbt | ericlr: OK - I suspect it'll be more for people wanting to trend metrics on multiple services | 19:25 |
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| ericlr | lbt: hmm, having a look at the site doesn't give me a feeling I should register ;) | 19:26 |
| dneary | lbt, So what am I looking at now? | 19:27 |
| lbt | ericlr: it's a commercial nagios-style system with management graphs | 19:27 |
| dneary | I got to the spying dashboard | 19:27 |
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| dneary | I have a world map showing me the location of our agents | 19:27 |
| ericlr | lbt: looks very nice but I reckon not my "cup of tea" | 19:27 |
| lbt | np | 19:28 |
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| dneary | ericlr, I'm just about to make Verveine Mint. | 19:28 |
| dneary | Suit you better? | 19:28 |
| lbt | ericlr: most techs say "just use nagios" ... I say "sure... if you can set it up and run it for $40+/month... go for it" | 19:29 |
| lbt | dneary: try the dashboard | 19:29 |
| lbt | there's just a couple of graphs for now | 19:29 |
| dneary | Yeah - that's the one with the agents | 19:29 |
| ericlr | dneary: in my timezone Verveine is almost right time to enjoy ;) | 19:30 |
| lbt | dneary: trending? | 19:30 |
| dneary | ericlr, which tz is that? | 19:30 |
| ericlr | lbt: ehe, Stefano might say that ;) | 19:30 |
| dneary | lbt, Ah, right web responsiveness | 19:31 |
| lbt | *g* | 19:31 |
| dneary | Down at the bottom of the page. I missed it | 19:31 |
| ericlr | EEST | 19:31 |
| dneary | ericlr, .fi? | 19:31 |
| dneary | ericlr, I'm in .fr | 19:31 |
| ericlr | yes Dave | 19:31 |
| dneary | Are you a Frenchman, by any chance? | 19:31 |
| ericlr | yes I remember that | 19:31 |
| ericlr | yes I am | 19:32 |
| ericlr | but I live in HEL | 19:32 |
| dneary | I'm not French, by I play one on TV. | 19:33 |
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| dneary | (j'habite ร Lyon) | 19:33 |
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| ericlr | dneary: (trรจs jolie ville !) | 19:34 |
| ericlr | btw, have you had a chance to check the QA dashboard demo? Any feedback? | 19:36 |
| dneary | ericlr, Je suis d'accord... surtout ร l'extรฉrieur | 19:36 |
| dneary | I have not | 19:36 |
| dneary | Which dashboard? | 19:36 |
| dneary | I'm not on the qa list | 19:36 |
| ericlr | dneary: partout pareil, ร visiter c'est toujours mieux qu'y vivre :P | 19:36 |
| ericlr | oh so you might want to have a quick look here: http://qa-dashboard.leonidasoy.fi/ | 19:37 |
| dneary | Nan! Je veux dire: les monts du Lyonnais, Beaujolais, les Monts d'Or, le pays de Tarare, la Dombe, ... | 19:37 |
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| lbt | dneary: meh ... made you an admin | 19:37 |
| dneary | ericlr, Very nice! | 19:38 |
| ericlr | ok ! Oui, en effet quelle rรฉgion magnifique ! | 19:38 |
| lbt | just in case I was supposed to add you to a group or something | 19:38 |
| dneary | I like the Florence Nightingale wedge graphs | 19:38 |
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| dneary | ericlr, I like running & walking, so I'm a bit spoiled around here | 19:38 |
| ericlr | Je suis de Bretagne mais je connais un peu la rรฉgion Lyonnaise.. | 19:38 |
| ericlr | dneary: indeed, spoiled ;) | 19:39 |
| dneary | In the process of moving to Chaponost, south west of Perrache, and just at the start of the Monts du Lyonnais | 19:39 |
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| ericlr | lbt: you saw the dashboard, right? | 19:39 |
| dneary | Until now, I was in Lyon 3eme, so to get to Miribel Jonage (for example) I had to go 10km | 19:39 |
| lbt | ericlr: only just now | 19:39 |
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| ericlr | dneary: is this a small village Chaponost? | 19:40 |
| dneary | ericlr, What's ICDK? | 19:40 |
| dneary | ericlr, Yes | 19:40 |
| dneary | ericlr, Near Brignais | 19:40 |
| dneary | Where are you from? | 19:40 |
| lbt | dneary: OK - have a look/play ... if you're interested let me know. If not that's fine | 19:40 |
| dneary | lbt, I'll add it to the stack | 19:40 |
| dneary | Can you remind me again in a couple of weeks? | 19:40 |
| dneary | I really do have to get a move-on re metrics.meego.com - now that I have a VM, I still haven't got everything set up there | 19:41 |
| ericlr | lbt: this is another thing I'd like to integrate, I mean test results directly visible in a bug report... | 19:41 |
| lbt | I'm not the best at that ... | 19:41 |
| lbt | ericlr: yes - that'd make sense | 19:41 |
| lbt | dneary: when it comes up ... at least now you've seen it :) | 19:42 |
| ericlr | dneary: ICDK? some specific HW or? | 19:42 |
| dneary | ericlr, In the dashboard | 19:42 |
| dneary | There are 2 tabs at the top, N900 & ICDK | 19:42 |
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| ericlr | dneary: I need to check on google maps ;) I was born in St Malo, lived in Rennes long time then moved to Paris and now HEL | 19:43 |
| lbt | dneary: DawnFoster: what I would say is it may be worth spending a little time setting it up... 'cos you have to leave it to collect data before it makes much sense | 19:43 |
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| ericlr | dneary: I assume this is some other HW than N900, makes sense no? | 19:44 |
| dneary | ericlr, I assumed the same thing :) | 19:45 |
| dneary | lbt, I agree | 19:45 |
| dneary | lbt, And you have to know what you're instrumenting first | 19:46 |
| ericlr | lbt: I know it's not your area but it gives you an idea of all integrated bugzilla view eg. at a glance you see what's really cooking and for in depth or hollisitic view you can check the relevant dashboard, QA, bugs, integration etc... | 19:46 |
| dneary | lbt, What kind of things can this instrument? | 19:46 |
| dneary | Concurrent sessions, things like that? | 19:46 |
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| lbt | dneary: it can measure things externally as per normal ... service response etc | 19:49 |
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| lbt | it can also query for a set of json metrics | 19:49 |
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| lbt | so if you have internal instrumentation that responds on a known port to an http response... you send json data out and you can graph it | 19:50 |
| lbt | so, yes... anything. Including concurrent sessions | 19:51 |
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| lbt | ericlr: hmmm | 19:51 |
| npm | fyi: if you've got json data, it's pretty easy to massage it into format used by http://simile-widgets.org/exhibit/ | 19:52 |
| lbt | npm: I'd be delighted to use and promote an OSS solution (this circonus is actually mainly OSS AFAIUI) | 19:52 |
| lbt | npm: the main issue is the time... which == $$$ | 19:53 |
| npm | i'm a committer ... it's opensource | 19:53 |
| npm | stuff i built w/ it: http://nielsmayer.com/trainspodder-prototype.jpg | 19:53 |
| lbt | npm yep - when it's integrated into nagios... | 19:54 |
| lbt | ping mord about it though | 19:54 |
| lbt | and LoCusF | 19:55 |
| npm | just an FYI... you've at least seen the simile widgets timeline used in many places | 19:55 |
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| lbt | ericlr: how would you link bug->test results? | 19:56 |
| lbt | bug metadata? | 19:56 |
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| npm | http://clicky.visophyte.org/tools/bugxhibit/bugxhibit.html?qs=sandbox | 20:00 |
| npm | looks like someone already integrated bugzilla w/ exhibit | 20:00 |
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| npm | http://www.visophyte.org/blog/2009/06/06/using-bugxhibit-to-find-that-bug-you-know-you-saw-recently-but-cant-find/ | 20:02 |
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| npm | sadly... along w/ the 2009 date is bitrot on the timeline view in above sample unless you use an old browser | 20:10 |
| npm | which is one of the reasons why i've been glad to go back to compiling C/C++ :-) | 20:10 |
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| ericlr | lbt: just as you can see in the QA dashboard demo, a bug fails one or several test cases and we would just get this info back into a combobox visible in the bug report | 20:12 |
| lbt | I'm wondering where/how the bug->testcase relationship is stored managed | 20:13 |
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| lbt | looking at the top blocker : 14241 | 20:14 |
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| lbt | how do I see which test cases it fails ? | 20:15 |
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| ericlr | lbt: good point, but I understood tht one of the widget should be able to display this info, can't tell where or how it's stored though - I'll meet the guys soon and will let you know | 20:18 |
| ericlr | just like the overall concept of full tracking from bugzilla ;) | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | anyone in here used LuxRender? | 20:19 |
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| LoCusF | lbt: ? | 20:23 |
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| * gabrbedd always sees the blue pengine on bugs.meego.com and thinks, "Look! There's lbt!!" | 20:26 | |
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| the-gibson|home | Im trying to setup a boot strap and I the url on the wiki is outofdate or down, could someone give me a current one? | 20:28 |
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| the-gibson|home | the command i got off the wiki: sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k ./tmp/cache -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/ -o ./bootstrap | 20:29 |
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| lbt | LoCusF: the http://simile-widgets.org/exhibit/ ... no idea if it's relevant | 20:50 |
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| lbt | LoCusF: you filled up /var on revs2 | 20:55 |
| lbt | bad LoCusF | 20:55 |
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| luist | hey guys.. im listing some plugins that i consider important to have on my meego, like: AdobeReader_enu, flash-player, flash-plugin, gstreamer-ffmpeg, gst-plugins-ugly. What else would you suggest? | 20:58 |
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| gabrbedd | Headphones? | 21:02 |
| luist | uh? | 21:03 |
| thiago | you plug headphones in | 21:04 |
| gabrbedd | luist: It's a joke. sorry. :-) | 21:07 |
| luist | :P | 21:07 |
| luist | i just got it | 21:07 |
| luist | wasnt even trying... | 21:07 |
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| gabrbedd | Maybe moonlight... it's getting more common these days. | 21:08 |
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| gabrbedd | Also the google talk plugin. | 21:08 |
| gabrbedd | Although I tried it once with MeeGo and it resulted in a #fail | 21:09 |
| luist | hm... | 21:09 |
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| Myrtti | well that was somewhat fun | 21:19 |
| Myrtti | I hate USB sticks :-( | 21:19 |
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| luist | gabrbedd, so no google talk for meego :( | 21:25 |
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| gabrbedd | luist: I just said I tried it once... I didn't say I tried /hard/ :-) | 21:27 |
| gabriel9 | anyone available can answer this question: Do i need to manually install MADDE if i have Qt 4.7.2 installed? | 21:29 |
| gabriel9 | i use ArchLinux | 21:29 |
| gabriel9 | i wish to try meego, i have some coding experience with Qt | 21:30 |
| gabriel9 | also i have 2.1.0 version of QtCreator | 21:31 |
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| luist | gabrbedd, well there are some rpm packages for that already.. maybe if... | 21:36 |
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| npm | google talk works just fine for me... (i cheat: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem#Google_Chrome.2C_Flash_Plugins.2C_Java.2C_Skype.2C_LibreOffice.2C_etc. ) | 21:47 |
| * npm realizes should get rid of punctuation in titles... | 21:48 | |
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| npm | see http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003570.html | 21:50 |
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| npm | although with 1.2 and meego-app-browser variant of chromium, I retract the "newer and featureful", versus google-chrome, but beware "about:sandbox" bug | 21:54 |
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| npm | ( https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 ) | 21:56 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug 16284 nor, Undecided, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: so what are you submitting? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | (to trunk:testing) | 22:07 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, meego TV 1.2 UI | 22:07 |
| arfoll | see https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16353 | 22:07 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16353 cri, Undecided, ---, brendan, ACCE, [FEA] MeeGo TV 1.2 release will use XBMC as reference UI | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | right | 22:08 |
| arfoll | am i doing something wrong? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i might have some comments on the codecs like faad :P | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | as it was my understanding we can't legally include it | 22:08 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps. I'm going to leave other people to answer these questions. I just don't know | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | so don't take it as malice when i just bought it up on meego-packaging@ :) looking forward to seeing it in meego in some form | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | heh heh, libass | 22:10 |
| arfoll | lol yeah those subtitles are having a laugh | 22:10 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, no offense taken. | 22:11 |
| * arfoll wants to reply "tasty" to Stskeeps's mail | 22:12 | |
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| Stskeeps | mm bacon | 22:17 |
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| gabrbedd | libacon.so.6.0.0.d | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | <3 | 22:19 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, some how i started to imagine that you have homer's voice | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: that's not good. | 22:28 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, it was, hmmm, weird | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://99edhproblems.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/good-news.jpg | 22:29 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, but i didn't imagine homer simpson having your voice, that would be even more weird | 22:29 |
| Myrtti | hm | 22:30 |
| alterego | Ooo, someones looking for some Qt devs | 22:30 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, hahhahahah | 22:30 |
| berndhs | alterego: where ? I need income | 22:31 |
| alterego | Me too :P | 22:31 |
| alterego | It was on the MeeGo linked in network | 22:31 |
| alterego | linkedin .. | 22:31 |
| berndhs | well, India is kinda far away for me | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | not a time to be picky | 22:34 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:34 |
| alterego | It's in India? | 22:34 |
| berndhs | i suppose if they pay for the trip | 22:34 |
| berndhs | says Bangalore/Noida | 22:35 |
| mihero | it's warm there so not much money needed for clothing:) | 22:35 |
| berndhs | yeah and I hear housing is quite reasonable too | 22:35 |
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| alterego | Oooo, the guy that posted it is from India | 22:35 |
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| LoCusF | lbt: oh :D | 22:43 |
| vgrade | alterego, evening, still on for tomorrow | 22:44 |
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| alterego | vgrade: certainly :) | 22:51 |
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| vgrade | alterego, see you there. | 23:09 |
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| gabriel9 | ok meego guys can someone tell me do i need all this stuff for meego development if i have already installed QtCreator and i can make desktop applications? | 23:11 |
| gabriel9 | http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=47783 | 23:11 |
| gabriel9 | you see that stuff in sources | 23:11 |
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| alterego | vgrade: :) | 23:15 |
| vgrade | Cambridge UK MeeGo Meet. When, Wednesday, April 20 ยท 7:30pm - 10:30pm, Where, Clowns, Cambridge 54 King Street | 23:16 |
| gabriel9 | anyone :D | 23:17 |
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| gabrbedd | gabriel9: You might have better luck on the meego-sdk ML. | 23:22 |
| gabriel9 | maybe :/ there is just to many versions and to many ways to do simple stuff. And i did not start coding. :D | 23:23 |
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