| djszapi | thiago: you were running KDE trunk some time ago on some meego. Which hardware was it, if I can ask ? | 00:00 |
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| berndhs | djszapi: search here for KDE and ask them https://build.pub.meego.com/search/search | 00:05 |
| lbt | so the exopc ... | 00:05 |
| berndhs | djszapi: then tell us :) | 00:05 |
| lbt | no zypper repos on mine | 00:05 |
| djszapi | berndhs: sure I do not have converter yet, that is why I could not try it out, but I purchase one tomorrow :-) | 00:06 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices points to http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_and_Handset_Images_on_ExoPC which looks out of date | 00:06 |
| berndhs | lbt: you can't get the repos there manually ? | 00:07 |
| lbt | zypper ref : Repository 'core' is invalid. | 00:07 |
| lbt | I can ssh into it ... it's setup to use baseurl=http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.2.20110209.4/oss/repos/ia32/packages/ | 00:08 |
| lbt | which is 404 | 00:08 |
| lbt | schweet | 00:08 |
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| lbt | mmm why is /usr/local 770 in meego ... | 01:01 |
| berndhs | it is ? | 01:02 |
| lbt | on my exopc... yes | 01:02 |
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| lbt | could be due to QtCreator | 01:02 |
| berndhs | not on my netbook install, its 755 I think | 01:02 |
| berndhs | rwx r-x r-x | 01:03 |
| berndhs | what group is it ? | 01:03 |
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| lbt | root:root | 01:04 |
| lbt | woo... I have the QtCreator app runnin on the Exo :) | 01:05 |
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| alterego | Cool, do you have osc? :) | 01:06 |
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| lbt | alterego: nah, following the tutorial first | 01:07 |
| lbt | berndhs: looks like it's Qt Creator doing it | 01:07 |
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| berndhs | that's strange | 01:08 |
| lbt | yeah... | 01:09 |
| lbt | maybe the packaging is dodgy | 01:09 |
| berndhs | well, Nokia packaging is uhm, unique | 01:10 |
| lbt | *g* | 01:11 |
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| lbt | where's the spec in QtC | 01:11 |
| djszapi | lbt: I did not get the idea yesterday how you thought the help about packaging and our project, gluon. I thought what we can do is to put into the community OBS and that is already done. | 01:16 |
| djszapi | I might have missed something tho. :) | 01:18 |
| lbt | rofl...now /usr/bin is 770 | 01:22 |
| berndhs | that's not going to work | 01:22 |
| berndhs | not for long anyway | 01:22 |
| lbt | it's using my personal umask (which affects make and hence the make install) | 01:22 |
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| lbt | djszapi: how do gluon games get into the app store | 01:24 |
| lbt | the MeeGo.com one | 01:24 |
| lbt | berndhs: what's not ? | 01:24 |
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| thiago | djszapi: ideapad | 01:24 |
| lbt | 770 /usr/bin? no... | 01:24 |
| berndhs | right | 01:24 |
| djszapi | lbt: ohh the games, yes, that might be a good idea if we have games, thanks :) | 01:25 |
| djszapi | thiago: thanks for you, too. I hope I can manage KDE tomorrow on my exopc+meego :p | 01:25 |
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| lbt | berndhs: drwxrwx--- 1 root root 17254 Apr 17 21:23 /usr/bin | 01:31 |
| lbt | $ sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/ | 01:31 |
| lbt | -bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Permission denied | 01:31 |
| lbt | :D | 01:31 |
| berndhs | just run everything as root and you'll be ok | 01:32 |
| lbt | what kind of OS does that! | 01:32 |
| lbt | oh, wait | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like sudo has the wrong permissions itself | 01:33 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: yep... | 01:33 |
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| lbt | QtCreator made /usr/bin not-readable by users... | 01:33 |
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| CosmoHill | really? | 01:33 |
| lbt | really | 01:33 |
| berndhs | su is in /bin, run it while you still can :) | 01:33 |
| lbt | I had a root shell open | 01:34 |
| lbt | but, you know... that's not really polite | 01:34 |
| lbt | (of QtC I mean) | 01:34 |
| lbt | anyhow... | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | aaaaahhhh | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | I have 16 hours to hand in this assignment | 02:56 |
| berndhs | and you're worried already ? | 03:01 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm only worried cos I was a first class degres | 03:08 |
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| berndhs | i'm not sure what that is :) | 03:09 |
| CosmoHill | a degree from a universityt | 03:09 |
| berndhs | yeah I have some of those, but worrying isn't part of it | 03:10 |
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| CosmoHill | wait, some? plural? | 03:20 |
| berndhs | 3 in the same field, consecutive :) | 03:22 |
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| CosmoHill | any of them SQL related? | 03:24 |
| berndhs | uhm, not really | 03:24 |
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| UserXP | hi i have a question | 03:25 |
| UserXP | absolutely disturbing behavior is happening to my meego on lenovo touch netbook and cant seem to find solution | 03:25 |
| CosmoHill | yes, you should consider upgrading to Windows 7 | 03:25 |
| UserXP | all keyboard input = shut down | 03:26 |
| berndhs | pack it up, ship it to me, and I'll figure it out | 03:27 |
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| UserXP | keyboard and touch settings are fine and idk why this is behaving all of sudden | 03:28 |
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| UserXP | what's virtual keyboard? | 03:48 |
| CosmoHill | touch screen keyboard for tablets | 03:49 |
| UserXP | so if i install it then i could temporarily type | 03:49 |
| UserXP | i assume | 03:49 |
| UserXP | i haven't been successfully use the clipboard, it keep freezing and not paste properly | 03:50 |
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| UserXP | anyways thanks | 03:56 |
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| CosmoHill | yay I think it's done :) | 04:14 |
| berndhs | see, more than 14 hours left | 04:16 |
| CosmoHill | my view and index are a load of poopoo on a stick | 04:17 |
| CosmoHill | but at least I have something | 04:17 |
| berndhs | i'm sure the content is brilliant | 04:17 |
| CosmoHill | good thing the printer ran out of paper cos it was still on the crappy draft settings | 04:18 |
| berndhs | yeah saved some trees too | 04:18 |
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| CosmoHill | kinda impressed that I have everything in one word doc | 04:19 |
| CosmoHill | however the current print job is 161MB :/ | 04:19 |
| berndhs | on the other hand, you've seen on tree, you've seen them all | 04:20 |
| CosmoHill | I should have a read of my assignment in the morning | 04:22 |
| CosmoHill | the worse thing that could happen is I end up with the feeling of "I could have done better" | 04:22 |
| berndhs | have a few beers, you won't care | 04:22 |
| CosmoHill | it's 2:22am | 04:22 |
| CosmoHill | bed sounds good | 04:23 |
| berndhs | its an alternative :) | 04:23 |
| CosmoHill | speaking of good sounds | 04:23 |
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| CosmoHill | kinda worried that I've managed to empty my printer tray once this month already | 04:23 |
| berndhs | there will be more trees, with all the extra CO2 they grow faster | 04:25 |
| CosmoHill | I bought a 4500 sheet box sometime in my first year | 04:26 |
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| CosmoHill | oh shit, forgot a bit of code in my report | 04:36 |
| berndhs | lots of time left | 04:39 |
| CosmoHill | right that will do | 04:43 |
| CosmoHill | printer is connected to my server so I can turn stuff off and leave it be | 04:44 |
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| Aard | win goto #opensuse-buildservice | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | what, wp7 support in OBS? ;p | 09:05 |
| Aard | no, aard trying to use irssi on n900 while waiting for bus from airport | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:07 |
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| poutsi | Myrtti, was it you who said that there were some problems with facebook integration on the tablet? | 09:42 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: ouch - so zypper up .... doesn't :) At least now we know | 10:23 |
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| Myrtti | poutsi yes | 10:26 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: well I didn't investigate why it failed... | 10:29 |
| dm8tbr | x11 came up tho | 10:29 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: what would be useful is a way to access the machine at init time | 10:31 |
| lbt | I suspect a USB keyb and the EFI would allow a kernel command line to have 'debug single' added | 10:32 |
| dm8tbr | if you manage to press the magic button to interrupt the syslinux loader quick enough | 10:33 |
| lbt | on mine the bios is easy to interrupt | 10:33 |
| lbt | and get to the EFI loader | 10:33 |
| lbt | even with touch | 10:33 |
| dm8tbr | does that allow you to get to the kernel cmdline? | 10:33 |
| lbt | EFI should | 10:33 |
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| lbt | but it'll need a keyb | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | yep | 10:34 |
| lbt | it's a lot like Joggler I guess | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | you could also ssh into it while it's up and edit the kernel cmdline in the syslinux config | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | BTDT for virtual machines | 10:34 |
| lbt | yeah, well if we could get a suitable nw up | 10:34 |
| lbt | it would be nice if init 1 brought up the wlan | 10:35 |
| lbt | and sshd | 10:35 |
| lbt | maybe only if in debug mode | 10:35 |
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| poutsi | Myrtti, did it break something? | 10:37 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: my unit was still available over wifi when the UX failed | 10:45 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: it's a bit bad style, but how about binding a getty to ttyUSB0? | 10:45 |
| dm8tbr | plug in a usb2serial cable and you're in | 10:45 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: I think it makes good sense to support recovery in various guises | 10:55 |
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| bkalinga | from were i can get libmeegotouch-dev package? | 11:03 |
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| bkalinga | sudo zypper info libmeegotouch-dev gives package 'libmeegotouch-dev' not found. | 11:03 |
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| slaine | Is that the name of the package ? | 11:05 |
| slaine | you should probably do a search for libmeegotouch and see if you can spot the dev package | 11:06 |
| slaine | (could be -devel for example) | 11:06 |
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| timoph | yep. -dev packages are a debian naming convention. rpm stuff uses -devel | 11:08 |
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| bkalinga | ok | 11:08 |
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| bkalinga | Is this package a must installation if i intend to write an MApplication? | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | libmeegotouch-devel | 11:10 |
| bkalinga | yes Stskeeps, you are right. Its showing already installed in my runtime | 11:11 |
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| slaine | morning folks | 11:11 |
| * slaine goes to get some coffee | 11:11 | |
| bkalinga | but still i get error fatal error: MApplication: No such file or directory | 11:12 |
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| bkalinga | Is this a mandatory to make all meego application configured with "meegotouch-boostable" | 11:14 |
| Myrtti | poutsi: if the button can't be clicked after the authentication succeeds, attempts to configure anything else are blocked | 11:16 |
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| poutsi | ah yes, that was it | 11:16 |
| Myrtti | poutsi: if you manage to click the button - absolutely nothing happens as the succeeded authentication isn't reflected anywhere (ie. no facebook feeds are shown, no friends listed, nothing) | 11:17 |
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| poutsi | oh poo | 11:17 |
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| Myrtti | altho, I'm using the daily build from the trunk, so not 20110412 but 20110415 ;-) | 11:18 |
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| poutsi | already forgot which image I installed in the end :p walp, must try and change repos to point to latest trunk | 11:19 |
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| * lbt points Stskeeps to #meego-devel .... and notes that if meego-dev was killled then this surely should follow | 11:45 | |
| lbt | recent quote "Is this the IRC for meego developers discussion, but i see very less people here.." | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | we have a 'meego-devel'? | 11:46 |
| lbt | you may have noticed me bitching about "too many chans" | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's not done in the official procedure way so may ask to get it taken down :P | 11:48 |
| lbt | lcuk: didn't believe me either ;) | 11:48 |
| lcuk | that is fine by me :) learning curve and all that. | 11:50 |
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| bkalinga | mouse pointer does not work when i ran a MApplication inside QEMU with meegotouch-boostable CONFIG | 12:09 |
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| bkalinga | any idea ...anyone | 12:09 |
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| stefw | mardy: i'm trying to build the signon module (one of the components you're proposing for gnome inclusion) | 13:03 |
| stefw | is there some documentation somewhere for how to build it? | 13:03 |
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| stefw | i don't see a normal automake setup, or a cmake setup, or anything i'm familiar with. | 13:03 |
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| Myrtti | meh | 13:14 |
| Myrtti | the wetab os image needs more seeders :-( | 13:14 |
| Myrtti | just wanted to try it before flashing the device again, but the bloody thing takes three hours to download | 13:14 |
| dm8tbr | Myrtti: torrent file URL? how legit is that image? | 13:15 |
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| leinir | dm8tbr: You seem to be mistaking "torrent" for "illegally download method" here ;) wetab.mobi are using bittorrent to distribute the image :) | 13:16 |
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| Myrtti | dm8tbr: http://wetab.mobi/developers/downloads-and-howtos/ | 13:18 |
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| dm8tbr | FTR I don't. I just wanted to make sure that this is a legit usecase... *sigh* | 13:21 |
| dm8tbr | as the exopc is NOT a wetab... well sort of... | 13:22 |
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| Myrtti | well I'm just reading what Cosimo wrote... | 13:24 |
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| Myrtti | of course, if the wetab os is really in german, it's a bit useless for me | 13:26 |
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| dm8tbr | Myrtti: our tieto guys have played with their wetab and I didn't hear them cursing :) | 13:36 |
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| * dm8tbr kicks in a torrent :) | 13:40 | |
| wazd | o/ all | 13:42 |
| lolloo | 0/ wazd | 13:42 |
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| wazd | Just to check, if I haven't received any confirmation yet then my sf talk has not been approved? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't either, for good measure | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'll ask some people in US timezone | 13:48 |
| timoph | :) | 13:49 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: perhaps they figured it's time to give someone else a try :-P | 13:49 |
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| Termana | morning | 13:54 |
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| wazd | well, cause time is running out for me *again* :) | 13:54 |
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| thiago | wazd: your talk was approved and you should have received a confirmation | 14:02 |
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| wazd | thiago: oh, well, cool :) But I definitely don't have one :( | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: BoF's aren't on the accepted list yet it seems | 14:11 |
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| thiago | ah, right | 14:15 |
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| bkalinga | My mouse pointer does not work when i ran a MApplication | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, MTF is for touch apps | 14:26 |
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| bkalinga | Stskeeps:you mean with mouse pointer, it should not work in a qemu?? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | bkalinga: run your stuff with -show-cursor | 14:33 |
| bkalinga | leme try that | 14:33 |
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| bkalinga | Stskeeps: Still it is not working (mouse pointer getting disappear when i drag it into qemu) | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | don't know, then | 14:41 |
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| w00t_ | lbt: ping | 15:18 |
| lbt | pong w00t_ | 15:19 |
| w00t_ | remember the discussion about migrating PHP sessions the other week? | 15:19 |
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| lbt | oh yes | 15:20 |
| w00t_ | are you [and/or whoever is better placed to deal with this] able to talk to my server dude tomorrow afternoon/night european time? | 15:20 |
| w00t_ | (he's just gotten back from holidays today, so he's too busy atm) | 15:21 |
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| sandst1 | X-Fade: a question about apps-beta.meego.com. Are the apps automatically pulled from the c-OBS repos into the site or how is it updated? | 15:27 |
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| X-Fade | sandst1: They will be once we have a BOSS participant. But now we just run an import when we feel like it. | 15:28 |
| sandst1 | X-Fade: ok, thanks | 15:28 |
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| X-Fade | sandst1: We hope to have automatic updates soon. | 15:29 |
| sandst1 | X-Fade: yup | 15:29 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ^^ w00t_'s comments are related to the session over dual app server issues we're facing | 15:31 |
| lbt | will that help ? | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | lbt: I haven't looked into any session issues related to multiple app servers. | 15:32 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: wiki session loss | 15:38 |
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| Myrtti | X-Fade: plz I can haz access to d0wnloads apps-beta stuffz kthx | 16:21 |
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| X-Fade | Myrtti: Sorry, I don't speak cheeseburger. | 16:24 |
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| Myrtti | pretty please with a cherry on top? | 16:24 |
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| Myrtti | I was trying to download applications from the apps-beta but it asks for authentication? or did last night | 16:25 |
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| X-Fade | Myrtti: Ah that is a link to community OBS. It is giving a one-click yml. | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: But MeeGo doesn't support that. | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | One of the points that still needs to be raised :) | 16:27 |
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| Myrtti | er, right | 16:28 |
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| leinir | So! Anybody here hot on sparql and tracker? ;) | 17:15 |
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| alterego | What's the shopping cart thing on the sf2010.meego.com site? | 17:16 |
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| alterego | It's under My Account => Signups | 17:18 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: Those are your hotel accommodations. | 17:18 |
| alterego | Hrm, should I have done anything with it? | 17:19 |
| alterego | Like, "Sign Up" for the conference item? | 17:19 |
| gabrbedd | No, you'll be sleeping in a shopping cart... in a courtyard beside the Marriot | 17:19 |
| alterego | I can see: "SKU: meego-sf2011" and it has a price of "$0.00" | 17:19 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 17:20 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: sure, if I only get sponsorship for the flight :D | 17:20 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 17:20 |
| alterego | Otherwise I might be travelling and staying in a shopping cart. | 17:20 |
| alterego | So I just leave it empty then? | 17:20 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: I honestly don't know. I've never noticed it before. | 17:24 |
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| alterego | Heh | 17:24 |
| alterego | m'kay | 17:24 |
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| alterego | Heh, Oracle have given up on OOo | 17:25 |
| GAN900 | alterego, couch surfing should be doable. :P | 17:27 |
| alterego | What about coach surfing? :D | 17:28 |
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| GAN900 | In SF | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | Lotsa people there. | 17:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | hello gan900 | 17:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyone know what 'T:T' is ? | 17:42 |
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| alterego | Trunk:Testing | 17:43 |
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| poutsi | hey, anyone else had trouble updating flash-plugin on tablet trunk? | 17:44 |
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| poutsi | zypper complains about a missing public key even though the adobe repo says gpgcheck=0 | 17:44 |
| gabrbedd | poutsi: Perhaps check the date/time on your machine? (I've seen that cause a similar problem.) | 17:45 |
| gabrbedd | poutsi: Otherwise, there's been chatter about it on either meego-community or meeg-dev ML's. | 17:45 |
| poutsi | should've checked first... only off by under a minute though | 17:45 |
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| Myrtti | wetab takes forever to install :-/ | 17:46 |
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| poutsi | gabrbedd, thanks, there's a key attached to https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10894#c6 it seems | 17:48 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 10894 nor, High, ---, yan.yin, VERI FIXED, [REG]Flash plug-in is missed | 17:48 |
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| poutsi | aw crud, doesn't help | 17:54 |
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| gabrbedd | poutsi: maybe try `zypper clean --all && zypper refresh` (as root) | 17:57 |
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| leinir | Now, my reason for asking about sparql is - anyone know how i might go about requesting a list of files on the system with a particular suffix or mimetype? | 18:01 |
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| berndhs | leinir: man find | 18:08 |
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| timeless_w7ip | alterego: thanks | 18:08 |
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| leinir | berndhs: not really useful when i have to use tracker ;) | 18:12 |
| berndhs | will this lead to a popular uprising against tracker tyrrany ? | 18:13 |
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| leinir | not really - very specifically i'm wanting to ask tracker what word processor, spreadhseet and presentation documents are available on the system... and seeing as it should obviously be done in a general manner, that's what sparql is for :) | 18:20 |
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| dm8tbr | leinir: for the record I am well aware of what a bit torrent is. I can still ask to clarify the provenance of a piece of data, regardless of the distribution channel. | 18:24 |
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| berndhs | are there slides or videos of the big FI meeting ? | 18:25 |
| dm8tbr | there will be videos | 18:25 |
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| leinir | dm8tbr: oh i'm sure you do - but "how legit is that image" would, to my of course utterly feeble and simple intellect, indicate a certain amount of prejudice on the topic :) | 18:26 |
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| dm8tbr | berndhs: a large chunk of them (about 200G of raw data are about 1m from me on a pile of drives waiting for processing) | 18:26 |
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| dm8tbr | leinir: well then your intellect betrayed you because I just plain wanted to know if this data was intended for the device and was freely distributable. | 18:27 |
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| Myrtti | I can only trust it is so as the information on how to install it on the exopc was in a blogpost written by a person who was at the desk which handled both registrations and later giving out the devices | 18:28 |
| Myrtti | it looks nice but a bit cumbersome | 18:29 |
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| Myrtti | if only the actual meego image had half the applications of wetab and had a sensible way of installing more apps | 18:30 |
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| dneary | hi | 18:45 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Ping? | 18:45 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Do we have a conf call today re the conference? | 18:45 |
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| npm | anybody have suggestions for failure on lenovo s10-3t where it can't tell it's charging the battery (warns its about to run out), and the wireless/bluetooth don't work? | 18:53 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary, yes we do. | 18:56 |
| dneary | Is it nearly over, or about to start? | 18:57 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: just about to start - Amy sent the materials out a few min ago | 18:57 |
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| dneary | npm, For wireless, you probably need to install the proprietary drivers (put them on a USB key after downloading them to a different machine) | 18:57 |
| dneary | npm, For battery, I don't know | 18:57 |
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| dneary | npm, Unsurprisingly, the lenovo s10-3t page on the wiki is excellent | 18:58 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, OK, thanks | 18:58 |
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| npm | dneary: the issue is that it worked fine until i took it on a trip... now something "broke" and i can't figure out what | 19:01 |
| npm | it's at hardware level. for example the wireless light stays off no matter what. | 19:02 |
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| lbt | leinir, dm8tbr bittorrent & images? I'm interested. We should do that (with appropriate hashes) for some meego resources | 19:03 |
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| leinir | lbt: oh very definitely yes :) | 19:04 |
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| npm | hmmm http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad talks about same problem w/ bat/wireless | 19:07 |
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| mardy | stefw: hi! Sorry for the delay... you probably figured it ou already: qmake && make install | 19:15 |
| stefw | mardy: yup, thanks. | 19:15 |
| stefw | ran into another problem, telling qmake where to find includes... | 19:15 |
| stefw | but i'll work on it more tomorrow. | 19:15 |
| mardy | stefw: which includes? | 19:15 |
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| stefw | mardy: signon needs to use stuff from libsignoncrypto-qt | 19:16 |
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| stefw | which i installed to a development prefix | 19:16 |
| mardy | stefw: it should come with a pkgconfig file | 19:16 |
| stefw | and qmake picks that up? | 19:16 |
| stefw | if i set PKG_CONFIG_PATH? | 19:17 |
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| mardy | stefw: it should... oh, but it may also be that the paths inside the .pc file are hardcoded... :-/ | 19:17 |
| stefw | mardy: seems like you're right. hard coded to PREFIX=/usr | 19:18 |
| mardy | stefw: and it seems that qmake is very bad in doing these kinds of substitutions | 19:19 |
| mardy | stefw: at least, I didn't find a way of having it modify the .pc file | 19:19 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: sure, count me in. I have several sides that can initially seed :) | 19:28 |
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| bilboed | who should I contact if I'm in the list of accepted SF meego conf talks but haven't received any mail ? | 19:48 |
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| gabrbedd | bilboed: You're not alone. FWIW, I'm sure that stskeeps and thiago and some other people are working on it. | 19:49 |
| bilboed | aaah ok | 19:50 |
| bilboed | I thought I might have erased the mail by accident :) | 19:50 |
| * bilboed will wait | 19:50 | |
| Stskeeps | bilboed: generally if you are on the accepted list, you're in a really good place :) | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | bilboed: which presentation as it? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | was | 19:50 |
| bilboed | http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/video-editing-your-pocket | 19:51 |
| * npm makes mental note that travelling w/ lenovo ideapad also means taking the original windows h.d. with just incase this happens: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#Major_issues | 19:51 | |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Yeah, I have to reset factory defaults if I let the battery get too low. Plus there's some randomness WRT whether or not you have the power supply plugged in or not whenever you boot after resetting the BIOS. | 19:54 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: It's a known issue on Lenovo's side... when I called for support it was resolved in 60 seconds (i.e. they're getting that call a lot) | 19:55 |
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| npm | so what was the solution they suggested? | 19:57 |
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| npm | ok actually, i think the booting into windows part was "voodoo" (if you think that's un-pc s/ voodoo/cargo-cultish) | 19:59 |
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| npm | of course that's un-pc as well | 19:59 |
| npm | i accidentally booted into my old http://nielsmayer.com/meego/netbooktablet/ | 20:00 |
| npm | and the wirelesss is on | 20:00 |
| npm | so it could be (1) pulling all the power and really letting it reset | 20:00 |
| npm | (2) some bug on 1.2 "trunk" i'm now running | 20:00 |
| gabrbedd | npm: (1) On boot, go into bios, (2) Select "Load Defauls Settings" (like, F9 or something), and (3) Save Settings (like, F10 or something) | 20:01 |
| npm | did that several times. didn't help. | 20:01 |
| gabrbedd | npm: Then reboot. If it doesn't work... try rebooting with the AC adapter plugged in. | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | hey berndhs | 20:01 |
| npm | that's why i thought perhaps i'd zapped it with static while travelling | 20:01 |
| gabrbedd | Also, I have the Broadcom... and that wiki inidicates they behave a little different. | 20:01 |
| npm | i rebooted and frobnicated 12 ways from sunday | 20:01 |
| berndhs | hi | 20:01 |
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| npm | but pulling the disk and replacing... oh and forgot (3) loosening and reseating wireless card | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | I printed out my assignment and then went to bed | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | took an hour to print -.- | 20:02 |
| berndhs | solid plan :) | 20:02 |
| gabrbedd | npm: Have you tried calling Lenovo? | 20:02 |
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| CosmoHill | every other time it loaded paper from the tray I jumped | 20:03 |
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| npm | that's the next step. i thought i could save myself not having a netbook for a while | 20:03 |
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| npm | i should remember that i pulled the battery and just plugged in the old hd before pulling the power :-) | 20:03 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: hmm... yeah I have some problems when the batter gets a little loose, too. | 20:05 |
| gabrbedd | npm: My experience with Lenovo support was pretty good. And for Ideapads, they're you're only option. | 20:05 |
| gabrbedd | npm: There's no 3rd party authorized service for Ideapads. | 20:06 |
| npm | how do you get a ideapad serviced under warranty when you didn't buy it... thats the question. | 20:06 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Never know til you try. Somebody bought it, right? They usually go by serial numbers on your machine. | 20:08 |
| gabrbedd | npm: If they say no and hang up... well... what have you lost? | 20:08 |
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| Matan[M] | hi all, i was run MeeGo 1.0 on ASUS Transformer! | 20:09 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: time... and the fact that i know more about their systems than they do .... | 20:11 |
| npm | because it's got the wireless light all lit up pretty with the intended SSD disk that was having problems before | 20:12 |
| npm | so no need to boot into windows. | 20:12 |
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| npm | next! | 20:13 |
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| CosmoHill | an interesting nick you have there | 20:29 |
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| gabrbedd | The most recent version of Fennec is a little... strange. The icon is a Meegon with a surfboard, and there's some funny video graphic that shows up while the application is starting. | 20:36 |
| gabrbedd | Anybody know the story on this? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: fennec takes ages to boot | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | the icon is something related to trademarks, i think :P | 20:36 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: ages to boot? Huh? | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: we see like 30-40 sec boot times, or at least, we used to | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | now it's like 15 | 20:38 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Hmmm... do you mean actual /boot/ time, or app launch? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | app launch | 20:38 |
| gabrbedd | on N900? (Always seemed snappy for me on x86... but maybe I wasn't paying attention...) | 20:39 |
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| gabrbedd | BTW, I saw that MeeGo UX is pushing Chrome hard... which I'm not crazy about. | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't say 'hard' | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:40 |
| gabrbedd | I like chrome on the desktop, but I really like FF Mobile. | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | FF mobile has it's own set of problems | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | but browsers are generally craaz | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | y | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | firefox on my mac is a very forgetful thing | 20:41 |
| gabrbedd | By 'hard' I mean "It's integrated into the settings menu as THE browser" -- no matter what's installed. | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's oss, so not too 'hard' ;) | 20:41 |
| npm | gabrbedd: i like FF4 | 20:41 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | did ff finally stop leaking mem? | 20:42 |
| * CosmoHill got FF 3.6.16 to nom 2GB | 20:42 | |
| timakima | i'm wondering if qt-mobility is planned to be used in tablet-ux in the future? i'm just debugging some code and looks like QAccelometer and QRotationSensor wouldn't work with the tablet yet | 20:42 |
| npm | be sure do do "about:sandbox" (see https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 ) | 20:43 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16284 nor, Undecided, ---, ningxin.hu, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds | 20:43 |
| timakima | just wondering if intel will have some separate api for those, since they seem to work in tablet ui otherwise | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | timakima: file a bug if it doesn't work | 20:43 |
| npm | esp because of https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284#c1 | 20:43 |
| npm | http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb11-07.html | 20:44 |
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| npm | yeah it's not that hard, you just have to tell gnome in a few places, kde in a few places... what your browser is.... | 20:46 |
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| npm | i got tired of it and called a script and put my browser du jour, along w/ special ALSA frobbage, in there | 20:47 |
| mikhas | timoph, the Tampere freebies were plain exopc's with MeeGo 1.2 images? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | right, except technically not freebies :P | 20:48 |
| mikhas | whatever | 20:49 |
| mikhas | ;-) | 20:49 |
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| npm | FYI, re browsers, the latest trunk chromium, tho insecure, works with multitouch | 20:50 |
| npm | aka you can "pinch" | 20:50 |
| npm | to zoom | 20:50 |
| mikhas | interesting | 20:50 |
| npm | chromium-11.0.678.0-8.18.i586 | 20:50 |
| npm | believe chrome-meego-extension-0.2.0-3.12.i586 is involved, right? | 20:51 |
| timoph | mikhas: yep | 20:52 |
| npm | brings a whole new level of bugs to http://nielsmayer.com/trainspodder-prototype.jpg | 20:52 |
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| V3rtig0 | How is meego for n900 coming along? is there any call/sms-support yet? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, yes | 21:33 |
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| the-gibson|home | hmm I was trying to build an image last night for my adam tablet.. which is tegra 2 based.. but had no luck | 21:35 |
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| alterego | Doesn't look like incoming calls are working ofr me at the moment ;) | 21:38 |
| the-gibson|home | is there anyone around that has tried making a tegra meego image? | 21:39 |
| mikhas | vgrade, someone's asking for you | 21:40 |
| poutsi | gabrbedd, thanks, gotta try tomorrow | 21:43 |
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| the-gibson|home | mikhas: vgrade has messed with tegra? | 21:44 |
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| mikhas | yes, I think so | 21:47 |
| the-gibson|home | ok cool thanks | 21:48 |
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| npm | hmmm correction the browser w/ "pinch" support is not chromium-11.0.678.0-8.18.i586 it's meego-app-browser-8.0.552.0-10.2.i586 ... which unfortunately runs instead of chromium once installed ... | 21:58 |
| npm | alas "about:sandbox" in meego-app-browser is also not sandboxed (aka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 applies as well) | 21:59 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16284 nor, Undecided, ---, ningxin.hu, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds | 21:59 |
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| Myrtti | right so | 22:00 |
| Myrtti | timoph: areena works fine on fullscreen with wetab os :-/ | 22:00 |
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| Myrtti | I have a strong dislike for wetab os for some unknown reason tho | 22:01 |
| RST38h | But it is Meego! | 22:01 |
| RST38h | [or not?] | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | I kinda liked the vanilla more | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | but wetab has more apps and stuff :-/ | 22:01 |
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| Myrtti | argh what a quandaray | 22:02 |
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| npm | Myrtti: alas, i agree. so i run pinetrail kernel, old netbook/vanilla and selected "tablet" apps | 22:06 |
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| Myrtti | I wish I even knew where to get stuff to install, I've tried searching for information but I seem to have lost my google-fu | 22:08 |
| Myrtti | it's only slightly discouraging | 22:10 |
| npm | http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/meego-ux/Trunk/ ?? | 22:10 |
| alterego | That, and google is losing its' google foo ;) | 22:10 |
| vgrade | hi, hello, | 22:11 |
| vgrade | someone call? | 22:11 |
| npm | + http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/ux:/netbook/Trunk/ | 22:11 |
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| vgrade | the-gibson|home, hi | 22:12 |
| the-gibson|home | yes tis was me | 22:12 |
| npm | todays upgrade: 153 packages to upgrade. Overall download size: 286.6 MiB. | 22:12 |
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| the-gibson|home | Ive been trying to get an image to build for a adam tablet | 22:13 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, i've been working Advent Vega, shuttle based tegra tablet | 22:13 |
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| the-gibson|home | I think it was your wiki entry ive been looking at | 22:13 |
| vgrade | ok, thats a little out of date as the hardfp port was in mid devel when I wrote that | 22:14 |
| the-gibson|home | Im aware of the out-of-date-ness, but im a bit confused about getting to the arm7hl repos | 22:15 |
| the-gibson|home | well ingeneral the difference between arm7hl and arm7l | 22:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | myrtti: did you go to the meego conf last weekend? | 22:15 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, ah ok, as I said thats quite new. Let me check if my ks still works | 22:15 |
| the-gibson|home | I know I can execute binaries that run on my n900 on my adam tablet(when running ubuntu) | 22:15 |
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| the-gibson|home | I dont think it does, after investing just about all d ay yesterday I managed to get it to build an image for an n900 but i havnt gotten any further | 22:16 |
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| vgrade | the-gibson|home, the problem with tegra is that the gfx driver bins from nvidia are built against a very old Xorg | 22:17 |
| vgrade | I've only got sw rendering on vega | 22:17 |
| vgrade | which can perform well in some parts of the tablet ux but not others | 22:17 |
| the-gibson|home | thats fine I really just want to have something established that i can base some work off of. Because id like an alternative for android =) and well i have some time for development hehe | 22:18 |
| * TSCHAKeee is getting very tired of NVIDIA's shit. | 22:18 | |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, evening | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | hey vgrade | 22:18 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, back from my travels | 22:18 |
| vgrade | back for a week then back to .de for another two weeks | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: with the additional texture memory allowed, I can use all of Tablet UX, _EXCEPT_ when the onscreen keyboard works. | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: what's up in .de ? | 22:19 |
| the-gibson|home | I just got back from .de =) | 22:19 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, http://www.hems-academy.de/ | 22:20 |
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| TSCHAKeee | very cool | 22:20 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, yes I made the xorg change and tablet is great on the joggler now :) | 22:20 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, will be when where finished | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | we have a guy doing dev work on LMCE that is a former Dutch military pilot (specialized in Apache), who's now living in the US and teaching. | 22:21 |
| djszapi | Hi! Where I live there is no available wi-fi connection, but I would like to use the ssh connection, for instance, via the usb networking between my desktop PC and my exopc which runs meego, if that is possible. Has anybody ever tried that ? | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: cool. | 22:21 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, give you a shout soon. I assume you can do mic stuff | 22:22 |
| the-gibson|home | yea i think i have it figured out by now =P | 22:23 |
| the-gibson|home | vgrade, i appreciate any help I can get | 22:23 |
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| vgrade | the-gibson|home, guys over here are also working tegra, I think one is on Adam, say I sent you. #TegraLinux | 22:23 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, np | 22:24 |
| the-gibson|home | vgrade, wheres 'here'? | 22:24 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, IRC, #TegraLinux | 22:25 |
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| the-gibson|home | yes im already familiar with RaYmAn, but he only has ubuntu working | 22:26 |
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| mikhas | TSCHAKeee, try to run the on-screen keyboard in the so-called self-compositing mode | 22:48 |
| mikhas | "meego-im-uiserver -software -use-self-composition [-manual-redirection] [-bypass-wm-hint]" | 22:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | meaning, the keyboard will try to grab what's behind it and display on itself, instead of talking to the mcompositor? | 22:49 |
| mikhas | the latter two parameters are not needed if you use mcompositor | 22:49 |
| mikhas | TSCHAKeee, exactly | 22:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | see this is the irony, mcompositor works | 22:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | but we seem to be hitting stupid limits in EMGD | 22:50 |
| mikhas | sure | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | mcompositor seems to be very willy nilly with texture buffers | 22:50 |
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| * TSCHAKeee knows compositing works, because I can use XFCE4, with its compositor, with our orbiter software, and get a fully composited display | 22:50 | |
| Corsac | note that xfwm4 compositing uses render, not gl | 22:51 |
| mikhas | it's not about whether compositing works ;-) | 22:51 |
| mikhas | it's mostly about reducing latency, at least for the on-screen keyboard case | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | Corsac: correct, but our OrbiterGL _does_ use composited GL surfaces. | 22:52 |
| mikhas | but it should be more texture buffer friendly, too | 22:52 |
| mikhas | at least you won't run into stupid situations where the keyboard accidentally grabs the buffer frame that was reserved for the application itself ... | 22:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | mhm true | 22:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'll try it later today when i'm off work :) | 22:54 |
| mikhas | please tell me the results | 22:54 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ok | 22:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | how do I pass that option? uxlaunch seems to handle all the launching | 22:55 |
| mikhas | .desktop files | 22:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh that's right | 22:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:55 |
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| djszapi | any idea for usb networking between the host PC and the meego tablet ? | 22:56 |
| the-gibson|home | djszapi, im not 100% sure how much itll help but look at this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 22:59 |
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| the-gibson|home | is your host machine Win or Linux? | 22:59 |
| djszapi | the-gibson|home: Linux, but that does not matter too much, yeah I have been using it for a while, if it also works for the tablet that is nice. | 22:59 |
| the-gibson|home | I applied those configs to my adam tablet running ubuntu and it worked fine | 23:01 |
| the-gibson|home | though I do not know what itll do with meego | 23:01 |
| djszapi | ok I will try it tomorrow since I do not have the proper USB cable here with me, thank you. | 23:01 |
| the-gibson|home | just keep in mind not everything there applies to you =P then you should be fine | 23:02 |
| djszapi | kinda important thing for people not having wi-fi connection. | 23:03 |
| djszapi | but yeah, does not sound too N900 or anything specific. | 23:03 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, http://pastie.org/1808627 | 23:04 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, sudo mic-image-creator -c tablet-armv7hl-tegra2-v01.ks -a armv7hl -f raw --run-mode=1 --pkgmgr=yum --tmpdir=../tmp --cache=../tmp/cache | 23:04 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, no promises, its my old tegra ks updated to use trunk latest | 23:05 |
| the-gibson|home | vgrade, THANKS! thats what I needed.. ill try it out when i get back home | 23:05 |
| the-gibson|home | ill give you a heads up how it works out | 23:05 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, I do need to update the wiki | 23:06 |
| the-gibson|home | well if i get mine working id be willing to update | 23:06 |
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| the-gibson|home | cause Im also hoping to get a tutorial up and running for the adamites over on notioninkhacks.com | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: Reading vs Leeds on friday :) | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | oh, a Reading shirt is a bad thing to wear in front of a blue screen | 23:08 |
| vgrade | the-gibson|home, the wiki has loads of dev stuff while I was doing the initial bringup. Also now we have hardfp in repos a lot can go from the wiki | 23:08 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, Reading looking good, might even get automatic | 23:08 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, Leeds have thrown away too many points lately | 23:08 |
| vgrade | lcuk, nice to see you back, good break? | 23:09 |
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| araujo | is OBS down? | 23:14 |
| lbt | no | 23:14 |
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| lbt | looks like NW issues then ;) | 23:15 |
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| djszapi | lbt: is your presentation available (meego summit) somewhere ? | 23:25 |
| djszapi | I did try to listen to that during the meegathon and the website, but I could not catch everything :) | 23:26 |
| lbt | should be | 23:26 |
| lbt | and the slides will be | 23:26 |
| lbt | not sure if the video is up yet | 23:26 |
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| lbt | araujo: you OK now? | 23:27 |
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| araujo | lbt, yeah, it was in my side I guess | 23:27 |
| araujo | :P | 23:27 |
| lbt | OK - good | 23:28 |
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