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DawnFoster | Venemo: lcuk is OK - talked to him yesterday. He's taking a break from IRC to prep the house for the new baby due in a couple months & squeeze in one more vacation before it's due :) | 00:52 |
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Venemo | DawnFoster, ok, that's good to hear. I was seriously afraid that he is hurt or something | 00:52 |
CosmoHill | DawnFoster: thanks for the update | 00:52 |
Venemo | DawnFoster, if you talk to him again, give him my advice: "if you can't swim, don't climb a tree because you'll get hit by a tram" :) he will appreciate the humor | 00:53 |
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DawnFoster | Venemo: will do! | 00:55 |
Venemo | :) :P | 00:55 |
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berndhs | i feel much better now, it was bugging me | 00:56 |
CosmoHill | I was fine until you two started worrying | 00:57 |
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alterego | I was fine, he said he was having a vbreak | 01:35 |
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berndhs | ~seen berndhs_meego | 02:39 |
infobot | berndhs_meego <~berndhs_m@2001:4830:1135:1:216:36ff:fe63:6551> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 120d 1h 29m 36s ago, saying: 'andyross: I know the lib is there, in an deprecated version, just wondering if anyone actually uses it'. | 02:39 |
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iekku | morning | 07:38 |
dm8tbr | mood groaning | 07:39 |
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berndhs | morning indeed, here too :) | 07:47 |
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leakydick | hi | 09:37 |
Termana | morning | 09:37 |
leakydick | Did the SVN close down? | 09:38 |
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timoph | svn? | 09:45 |
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jsmith_ | hi, just now itried meego on beagleboard, getting error mount: mount point /sys/kernel/debug/ does not exist..any solution for thisSSSSS? | 12:20 |
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alterego | jsmith_: you might have more luck in #meego-arm | 12:25 |
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CosmoHill | dear lord, no wonder people stopped using myspace | 12:44 |
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andreizro | hy all. I am having problems building glibc on ARM. Using MeeGo 1.1.99.0.20110329.5 (1.2 rc1) .... I get exactly the error described here: http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-toolchain/2010-July/000021.html | 13:41 |
andreizro | shouldn't this be fixed? I see it built ok in Trunk | 13:41 |
iekku | andreizro, #meego-arm? | 13:41 |
iekku | andreizro, fastest way to find help :D | 13:42 |
andreizro | I'll try ... thanks | 13:42 |
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berndhs | morning | 15:38 |
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CosmoHill | close enough | 15:41 |
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taljurf | guys, what interface is the tablet meego using, the same netbook interface? | 16:22 |
mikeleib | nope. it's own | 16:23 |
mikeleib | s/it's/its/ | 16:23 |
infobot | mikeleib meant: nope. its own | 16:23 |
Sage | taljurf: it is the one called "MeeGo User Experience" | 16:23 |
slaine | Tablet UX | 16:24 |
mikeleib | MeeGo UX | 16:24 |
mikeleib | that's what it's called in the repos | 16:24 |
slaine | Dear God, why confuse it even more | 16:24 |
Sage | slaine: actually just MeeGo UX no tablet in the name | 16:24 |
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Sage | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux | 16:24 |
slaine | Are all other UX's being dropped ? | 16:24 |
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CosmoHill | hey slaine | 16:24 |
slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 16:25 |
Sage | slaine: There is "MeeGo Netbook UX", "MeeGo Handset UX" and then the new "MeeGo UX" (also called tablet ux in many places) | 16:25 |
CosmoHill | Handset, Tablet and netbook each have their own UX | 16:25 |
mikeleib | handset images continue to be made with the handset UX and netbook images continue to be made with the netbook UX | 16:25 |
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CosmoHill | hey vgrade-de | 16:25 |
mikeleib | as has been demonstrated, it is possible to run the MeeGo UX on a handset if you want to | 16:25 |
CosmoHill | Reading vs Leeds in two weeks | 16:25 |
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Sage | https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Platform "Bugs for MeeGo User Experience" ;) | 16:26 |
slaine | Yes, but calling the MeeGo Tablet UX the MeeGo UX implies something, whether intentionally or not | 16:26 |
slaine | in that it's THE MeeGo UX | 16:26 |
vgrade-de | hi cosmohill, real playoff battle | 16:26 |
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vgrade-de | CosmoHill: we've slipped up a few times over the last few matches, lets hope we can at least stay in a plyoff spot | 16:27 |
vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: hi | 16:27 |
vgrade-de | did you see, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13504#attach_4510, looks like our joggler bug, and a possible resolution | 16:28 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 13504 maj, Medium, ---, matthew.d.roper, NEW, IVI+emgd: screen tears/black when launching MTF apps on Crown Bay | 16:28 |
CosmoHill | I've printed off all the code for one programming assignment | 16:28 |
CosmoHill | damn thing must be almost 50 pages :o | 16:28 |
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mikeleib | you have to print it? | 16:28 |
mikeleib | what does the recipient do with the output? | 16:29 |
CosmoHill | read it I suppose | 16:29 |
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CosmoHill | we're required to print out our source code for (assignment) submission | 16:29 |
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ali1234 | 50 pages... that's some long assignment | 16:47 |
ali1234 | how many lines is it? | 16:47 |
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CosmoHill | each function is printed seperatly, some functions are 250 lines, some are 5 | 16:50 |
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gabrbedd | 12 pt. font? Double-spaced? | 16:56 |
gabrbedd | Do inline functions get single-spaced or smaller type? | 16:56 |
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CosmoHill | gabrbedd: whatever nodepad++ prints .m files in | 16:58 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: I think it prints in the computer lab by the library, on the other side of campus >>>>>>>> | 17:00 |
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CosmoHill | hehe yeah | 17:01 |
CosmoHill | wait, did I say other side of campus? I meant the other campus | 17:02 |
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* CosmoHill treats himself to a cookie and some russel howard | 17:06 | |
CosmoHill | ooo even better, Have I got news for you | 17:06 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: news? | 17:36 |
CosmoHill | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mkw3 | 17:37 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: oh! haha | 17:38 |
gabrbedd | CosmoHill: There's a radio program on here that's kinda similar called "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" | 17:39 |
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* CosmoHill reads a FAQ that has this: | 17:40 | |
CosmoHill | A website about cats that look like Hitler. Are you mental or what? | 17:40 |
CosmoHill | Yes. Next question. | 17:40 |
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gabrbedd | :-) | 17:42 |
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CosmoHill | I do like that they display the complaints as well as the complements on the website | 17:45 |
r4co0n | Hey, i just downloaded the img from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ in order to install it to my eee-pc. I dd-ed the image content to a stick, i thought this was what i did when i first installed MeeGo, but the resulting USB-image does seem to be not bootable... | 17:45 |
r4co0n | Did i do something terribly wrong? | 17:45 |
CosmoHill | r4co0n: what processor does your eeeeeeeeeeeeeeepc have? | 17:45 |
r4co0n | atom | 17:45 |
r4co0n | wrong image? | 17:46 |
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CosmoHill | could you try another USB stick or try the stick on another computer? | 17:46 |
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r4co0n | cosmo, sure, but i think i had the problem with the last image as well... | 17:47 |
r4co0n | may be the stick | 17:47 |
CosmoHill | could it be BIOS settings? | 17:48 |
r4co0n | shouldnt be | 17:48 |
r4co0n | i installed meego already | 17:48 |
r4co0n | its running | 17:48 |
r4co0n | i just want a new version | 17:48 |
r4co0n | and fiddled some bit with the files, so wanted to start over new | 17:48 |
CosmoHill | 1.2 should be released within a few weeks | 17:48 |
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r4co0n | its a bios setting | 17:49 |
r4co0n | other netbook boots | 17:49 |
r4co0n | any idea what could be the reason? | 17:50 |
r4co0n | i must have misconfigured sth when i was drunk :P | 17:50 |
CosmoHill | did you use the DD command on the website? | 17:50 |
gabrbedd | r4co0n: Exactly where does it fail? Can you not even select the drive for booting? | 17:50 |
gabrbedd | r4co0n: Or do you see the boot screen (Run MeeGo, Install, etc), and it fails after that? | 17:51 |
r4co0n | it doesnt consider the thumbdrive bootable | 17:51 |
r4co0n | dont see the start screen | 17:51 |
CosmoHill | do other computers consider it bootable? | 17:51 |
r4co0n | i used dd from debian squeeze | 17:51 |
r4co0n | yes | 17:51 |
r4co0n | a fujitsu just loaded it | 17:51 |
r4co0n | summary: drive bootable, but not considered so by eee-pc. probably bios-setting. | 17:52 |
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gabrbedd | r4co0n: AFAIK, most bioses just scan to see if a device is attached... and they do not inspect its contents. | 17:53 |
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gabrbedd | r4co0n: So, it looks like a setup issue with your hardware/bios | 17:53 |
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r4co0n | sry, i just had to specificially select the thumb drive, deactivating everything else wasnt enough. works now. and had to turn off "fast boot" to be able to do so... | 17:56 |
r4co0n | thx for the help | 17:56 |
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r4co0n | MeeGo r0cK5 | 17:57 |
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gabrbedd | r4co0n: You're welcome... glad you got it working. | 17:57 |
CosmoHill | :) | 17:58 |
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r4co0n | should i give my separate home partition on another drive also btrfs or ext3? anyone got performance tips? | 18:18 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: hi, did you see the EMGD bug report and possible solution | 18:36 |
gabrbedd | "The documentation for git suite was started by David Graeves, and later enhanced greatly by the contributors on the git-list" You rock, lbt! | 18:37 |
CosmoHill | no no no wtf | 18:37 |
CosmoHill | a major part of my assignment has decided it no longer wants to work | 18:38 |
Stskeeps | welcome to murphy's law | 18:39 |
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Stskeeps | might as well get used to it for your working life | 18:39 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:39 |
w00t_ | ^ | 18:39 |
CosmoHill | it fecking worked an hour ago | 18:39 |
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bedboi | hi there | 18:39 |
CosmoHill | the error message must be pushing 50 lines :/ | 18:39 |
bedboi | hi there. Anyone knows if the meego virtual keyboard can be used as a standalone app? | 18:40 |
frals | w00t_: go back to your operators! ;) | 18:40 |
w00t_ | :'( | 18:40 |
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r4co0n | my again: I finished installation, but meego seems to hang after hitting the "finish" button, the guy waving the hand at me wont go away... | 18:42 |
r4co0n | *me | 18:42 |
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TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: yup, i am building a new image to test. | 18:43 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: for the A9 or Joggler | 18:45 |
TSCHAKeee | a9 | 18:45 |
mikeleib | r4co0n: I've seen it hang in umounting loopback, but there's usually text on the screen | 18:45 |
TSCHAKeee | but it should be the same for the joggler | 18:45 |
vgrade-de | yup | 18:45 |
vgrade-de | fingers x | 18:46 |
r4co0n | mikeleib: no text, since ~12min | 18:46 |
mikeleib | that's a new one to me | 18:46 |
mikeleib | r4co0n: is it repeatable? If so, file it | 18:46 |
r4co0n | mikeleib: i accidently pulled the stick to soon when i installed 30min ago, but it didnt do anything else... it might be repeatable | 18:46 |
TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: the problem described literally describes what I saw in the early days of X compositors, when they would try to grab a texture bigger than the driver would allow. | 18:46 |
mikeleib | If not, then file it but not it's a heisenbug | 18:46 |
TSCHAKeee | firefox was notorious for this | 18:47 |
mikeleib | s/not/note/ | 18:47 |
infobot | mikeleib meant: If note, then file it but not it's a heisenbug | 18:47 |
* mikeleib needs better regex | 18:47 | |
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r4co0n | mikeleib: gonna try again, cause last time it failed mounting some drive after reboot... | 18:47 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: the screen shot looks like the effect I get on the joggler sometimes with tablet ux, it can be a lot worse though | 18:48 |
kcroot | hello i am looking source SDK for meego | 18:48 |
r4co0n | any reason there is no text-console showing errors? would i need a developer version of MeeGo? | 18:48 |
CosmoHill | <rant> | 18:49 |
kcroot | i using gentoo but isnt in portage | 18:49 |
CosmoHill | oh screw you matlab, on like 54 of 700 I had '; instead of ;' | 18:49 |
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mikeleib | r4co0n: I think it's just freezing before it would go back to text mode | 18:49 |
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dfadsf | i am angry | 18:50 |
gabrbedd | r4co0n: I've been seeing the same thing when installing lately. Just cycle the power button... I think your install completed fine. | 18:50 |
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CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?7 <<< that was the error message it gave me | 18:50 |
CosmoHill | dfadsf: me too | 18:50 |
r4co0n | gabrbedd: it didnt last time, but i pulled the usb 5s faster... | 18:50 |
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r4co0n | gabrbedd: u r right, we should file a minor bug though, shouldnt we? | 18:51 |
dfadsf | meego seems popular among hackers | 18:51 |
r4co0n | meego is popular at my grandma's | 18:51 |
r4co0n | she likes it a lot | 18:51 |
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r4co0n | no joke | 18:52 |
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dfadsf | she love meego rather than your grandpa? | 18:52 |
r4co0n | hes dead for 20 years | 18:53 |
r4co0n | so yeah | 18:53 |
r4co0n | she had some win7 starter beforehands | 18:54 |
r4co0n | and asked lots of questions | 18:54 |
r4co0n | this time is over | 18:54 |
r4co0n | it does everything she wants | 18:54 |
gabrbedd | r4co0n: Yeah... need to file a bug. Lemme know if you do and I'll add myself to the CC. | 18:54 |
CosmoHill | "why can't I have four programs at once" | 18:54 |
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dfadsf | i think i must ask more questions than your grandma | 18:58 |
dfadsf | for i still use winxp | 18:58 |
lbt | gabrbedd: :) | 18:59 |
dfadsf | i am a poor guy | 18:59 |
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GAN900 | CosmoHill, who can't? | 19:01 |
CosmoHill | I thought windows starter was limited to 3 or 4 programs | 19:03 |
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maligor | only time I ever saw it was on one of the Lenovo netbooks, I recoiled in horror and never booted it again | 19:04 |
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dfadsf | emacs or vim? | 19:05 |
maligor | I prefer to use gnu/linux over emacs | 19:06 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: It is. | 19:06 |
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TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: much better | 19:14 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: \o/ | 19:15 |
vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: wish I had my Joggler with me | 19:15 |
TSCHAKeee | i have no way to trigger the home screen yt | 19:16 |
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vgrade-de | does the a9 have any hw buttons | 19:17 |
vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: what does video looko like? | 19:18 |
TSCHAKeee | two | 19:18 |
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TSCHAKeee | they provide a really low quality big buck bunny | 19:19 |
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TSCHAKeee | but it looks like here that it is using xv | 19:19 |
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mikeleib | there is nothing you can do to improve the quality of that film. You can only improve the bandwidth and resolution | 19:19 |
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TSCHAKeee | I have a 1080p copy of it somewhere | 19:20 |
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mikeleib | sounds like improved bandwidth and resolution... | 19:20 |
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TSCHAKeee | sometimes the pedantism of extremely left brained people seriously piss me off. | 19:21 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: the n900 DE guys used this patch for home key, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0002-Grab-ctrl-to-go-home-on-N900.patch&package=meego-ux-daemon&project=Project%3ADE%3ADevel%3ATablet&srcmd5=48e97a9ba00abd90741b8941f8264d5e | 19:22 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: have to run now, catch you later. look fwd to a video of table ux on a9 | 19:24 |
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CosmoHill | bytw vgrade-de | 19:24 |
CosmoHill | bye* | 19:24 |
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CosmoHill | the 3rd cheapest quote is over £1000 more than the car | 19:43 |
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qgil | hi, are you able to log in at http://planet.meego.com ? | 20:05 |
Stskeeps | doesn' work for me | 20:06 |
Wellark^ | oh, I thought it was only me :D | 20:06 |
TSCHAKeee | there you go, it is broken. | 20:06 |
TSCHAKeee | everybody take out your baseball bats and beat the admins | 20:06 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 20:06 |
berndhs | should I want to log in there ? | 20:07 |
qgil | ok, thanks - this is blocking https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14932 | 20:07 |
TSCHAKeee | then apologize profusely and offer them beer, so they may fix the problem | 20:07 |
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MeeGoBot | Bug 14932 nor, Undecided, ---, henri.bergius, NEW, Please add Michael Hasselmann to the MeeGo Planet | 20:07 |
CosmoHill | I can log in | 20:07 |
DawnFoster | I can log in | 20:07 |
qgil | berndhs: when it is fully implemented yes - you will be able to help promoting the good stuff to the meego.com homepage | 20:07 |
DawnFoster | but they were supposed to give me admin access, which I don't have yet | 20:07 |
CosmoHill | DawnFoster: snap | 20:08 |
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qgil | DawnFoster: maybe I can't login because I have admin access ;) | 20:08 |
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CosmoHill | wait, I can log in but it still has "login" in the corner | 20:08 |
DawnFoster | well, since you have admin access, if you ever get logged in, can you grant it to me :) | 20:08 |
CosmoHill | guess it means I can't leave | 20:08 |
qgil | DawnFoster: I don't think I'm that kind of admin | 20:09 |
qgil | I'll send an email to meego.community with these two problems | 20:09 |
DawnFoster | and it thinks I'm logged in, but voting doesn't work | 20:09 |
qgil | ccing henri | 20:09 |
DawnFoster | or file a bug report? | 20:09 |
qgil | CCing bergie in bug reports seems to be less _efficient_ | 20:09 |
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qgil | and there is already one about login irregularities | 20:09 |
DawnFoster | I think it needs a fair amount of work before it gets launched | 20:10 |
qgil | that looks exactly what you/we have got | 20:10 |
qgil | DawnFoster: me too | 20:10 |
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qgil | sent - thanks! http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003897.html | 20:19 |
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vgrade-de | alterego, did you try removing -opengl, I did the same on the tegra, worked a treat on all the apps but not on panels. If I removed the opengl from ux-daemon touch stopped working, happy birthday by the way | 20:44 |
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TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: everything works RIGHT up until the MTF keyboard shows up | 20:45 |
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TSCHAKeee | then whole screen goes black until it's gone | 20:45 |
Stskeeps | does it use self-composition or not? | 20:46 |
TSCHAKeee | not sure...this is with Tablet UX | 20:46 |
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vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: kb works ok if not a little slowly for me on fbdev | 20:47 |
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alterego | vgrade-de: thanks :) Well, no I've not tried it yet, been out doing birthday things ;) | 20:47 |
vgrade-de | i'll save you a beer for bext week | 20:48 |
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TSCHAKeee | so close | 20:48 |
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alterego | :) | 20:48 |
TSCHAKeee | although really, i think in the end, LinuxMCE will just do its own thing with the new orbiter, rendering our own QML screens etc. | 20:48 |
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TSCHAKeee | we shall see... | 20:49 |
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alterego | If I had a panda board I'd make my own Qml MeeGo TV/Multimedia system. | 20:50 |
alterego | Unfortunately I'm living on a budget at the moment :D | 20:51 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: join our project. ;) | 20:51 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: we have 10 years of learning from mistakes on our belt. ;) | 20:51 |
GAN900 | alterego, wouldn't that be nice? | 20:51 |
alterego | GAN900: ? | 20:52 |
GAN900 | I've got enough consoles and STBs in the home theater cabinet to make it not worth it, though. | 20:52 |
alterego | GAN900: You mean a panda media center thingy? | 20:52 |
GAN900 | A MeeGo STB | 20:52 |
alterego | Yeah, would be awesome. | 20:52 |
Stskeeps | did you see the xbmc qt clone? | 20:52 |
alterego | I should start a company building them :) | 20:52 |
alterego | The only aspect of meego I'm not really interested in is IVI tbh, because I'd just use tablet on the dashboard (if I had a tablet) | 20:53 |
TSCHAKeee | GAN900: we can control them all. | 20:53 |
GAN900 | alterego, yeah. | 20:53 |
GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, I just wish CableCard hadn't been neutered. | 20:53 |
alterego | Problem is, it's quite a lot of effort keeping up with everything :D | 20:53 |
TSCHAKeee | GAN900: agreed...but at least we can control external AV gear pretty well | 20:53 |
TSCHAKeee | we can also pipe the result through a tuner like the HDPVR and bounce it around the house | 20:54 |
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GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, just picked up some INSTEON IR TX/RX devices. | 20:54 |
TSCHAKeee | so at least there is a way around it | 20:54 |
GAN900 | Should increase the fun level. | 20:54 |
TSCHAKeee | GAN900: we have an Insteon driver in LinuxMCE that's fairly complete. | 20:55 |
vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: did you see this bug report, it promises a new ivi QML ux for the 19 April. I guess they will need to have a kb working for that, bug 14782 | 20:55 |
MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14782 nor, Medium, ---, jimmy.huang, NEW, [IVI-UX]FPS of glxgears/meegovideo is too low IVIHome based on QT | 20:55 |
TSCHAKeee | the only things more complete are the KNX and Z-Wave drivers | 20:55 |
TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: cool | 20:55 |
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RST38h | Why would you need a keyboard in your car? =) | 20:56 |
TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: GAN900: and while this may not be completely meego related, I threw together a prototype of "Desktop Agent" support to solicit further development: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1pedtpuYzA | 20:56 |
vgrade-de | RST38h: virtual one | 20:56 |
GAN900 | Just wish the propreitary protocol weren't the useful one. | 20:56 |
* TSCHAKeee does wish more ppl would join our effort.. we have a considerable architecture that's unmatched anywhere else. | 20:57 | |
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vgrade-de | alterego: I could loan you my pb for a couple of weeks while im on my next trip to Germany | 20:58 |
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GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, need somebody selling pre-loaded hardware. | 20:59 |
TSCHAKeee | GAN900: http://www.lmcecompatible.com/ | 20:59 |
TSCHAKeee | also | 20:59 |
TSCHAKeee | http://www.dianemo.co.uk/ | 20:59 |
TSCHAKeee | and a couple of others. | 20:59 |
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alterego | vgrade-de: that'd be cool :) I'd love to play with one hooked up to my TV ;) | 21:00 |
alterego | I've also got a USB DVB card (which is supported under linux) which has an IR reciever. | 21:00 |
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vgrade-de | I'll bring it along next week, | 21:00 |
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alterego | So N900 -> LIRC -> DVB DONGLE -> Panda -> 1080p HDTV :) | 21:01 |
TSCHAKeee | . o O (so frustrating.) | 21:01 |
TSCHAKeee | yikes | 21:01 |
TSCHAKeee | primitive. | 21:01 |
TSCHAKeee | (damn, I said that out loud) | 21:01 |
alterego | vgrade-de: thanks, that'd be really cool :) | 21:02 |
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TSCHAKeee | why do you want to jerry rig stuff like that? | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | really? | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | spend a little time thinking things out and abstract a little | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | nevermind. | 21:05 |
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alterego | TSCHAKeee: ? | 21:06 |
TSCHAKeee | we built an entire smart home platform around a messaging bus | 21:06 |
alterego | I can abstract the N900 and LIRC out with the IR remote that came with the DVB dongle :P | 21:06 |
TSCHAKeee | and built end points for each device we wanted to support, with an abstracted, but well defined command and event structure | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | as a result, we can pretty much plug anything in. | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | without having to wrap duct tape around it. | 21:07 |
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TSCHAKeee | and we spent a great deal of time refining data structures on how to describe each and every device that could exist within a home, as generalized as possible. | 21:08 |
TSCHAKeee | it was a great deal of planning up front | 21:08 |
TSCHAKeee | but it has allowed us to scale outward and not hit any brick walls. | 21:08 |
alterego | What's that got to do with my hardware list? | 21:09 |
TSCHAKeee | it just irritates me when i see people reinventing the wheel over and over | 21:09 |
alterego | What am I reinventing? | 21:09 |
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TSCHAKeee | you're making yet another LIRC controlled media setup. | 21:10 |
alterego | Don't be irritated :P | 21:10 |
alterego | No, I'm using LIRC on the N900 to act as an infrared remote. | 21:10 |
TSCHAKeee | it just drives me nuts, because I spent years actually thinking the problem through. | 21:11 |
alterego | Do you have something else that will turn my N900 into an infrared remote control? | 21:11 |
TSCHAKeee | and now I can use whole groups of devices to control virtually everything inside the house | 21:11 |
TSCHAKeee | I run the orbiter program on my N900, which makes it a control for my house. | 21:11 |
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TSCHAKeee | but it requires the rest of the LinuxMCE infrastruture | 21:11 |
alterego | Okay, so if you have a wifi/network strategy then sure, I'd prefer that :P | 21:11 |
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alterego | I have absolutely _no_ problem with using LinuxMCE :P | 21:12 |
TSCHAKeee | i've been trying to get a panda for months | 21:12 |
TSCHAKeee | so i can start a media director port | 21:12 |
alterego | In fact I'd rather use something that does most if not all of what I want functionally, so I can just play with the UX | 21:12 |
alterego | Because that's all I'm interested in. | 21:13 |
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RST38h | "<TSCHAKeee> i've been trying to get a panda for months" <-- this deserves to be saved in a quote list | 21:13 |
TSCHAKeee | RST38h: lol | 21:13 |
alterego | Hahah | 21:13 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:13 |
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TSCHAKeee | wow, okay. let me rephrase that. ;) | 21:13 |
TSCHAKeee | a panda BOARD | 21:13 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 21:13 |
vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: alterego has been doing some cool stuff with QML. might be worth discussing the plans for orbiter | 21:13 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: the idea is to replace the Orbiter software we have right now, with something that renders in QML | 21:14 |
alterego | I don't even know what orbiter is, TSCHAKeee you'll have to forgive my ignorance in this subject. I don't know what is available now, how things are connected together etc. | 21:14 |
alterego | TSCHAKeee: Cool :) | 21:14 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: if you have 20 minutes | 21:14 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: you can watch our original demo (circa 2007) | 21:14 |
alterego | Yeah, I've got 20 minutes :) | 21:14 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: and please forgive the UI | 21:14 |
vgrade-de | just get your orders in for pb. I had to wait 2 months for mine | 21:15 |
TSCHAKeee | we know it's basic | 21:15 |
TSCHAKeee | but when you're a set of only a few developers | 21:15 |
TSCHAKeee | working on 4 million lines of code | 21:15 |
TSCHAKeee | yeah, you have priorities. ;) | 21:15 |
vgrade-de | mitsutaka: hi, how are things with you, done anything new with the Nexus? | 21:15 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829 | 21:16 |
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alterego | Well, I'd be happy to get involved in the UX :) | 21:16 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: that would be great, the qml for the UX can be developed in parallel while we're working on the code. | 21:17 |
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alterego | It'd be refreshing for me to work on just UI code for a change :) | 21:18 |
TSCHAKeee | Orbiter was written way back in 2003 | 21:18 |
TSCHAKeee | long before any of this stuff existed | 21:18 |
alterego | And I've been wanting to work on a media centric TV oriented UX for years. | 21:18 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: TV is but one of our targets.. orbiter runs on tablets, TVs, PDAs, cell phones, and IP phones | 21:19 |
TSCHAKeee | we had to design a whole retargetable UI for it, and now we're about to jettison it. | 21:19 |
alterego | Painful but ultimately hopefully a rewarding excercise :) | 21:20 |
TSCHAKeee | yes | 21:20 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: if you watch the demo, hopefully you'll get an idea of the scope of the system | 21:21 |
alterego | So does it have PVR archiving capability? | 21:22 |
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berndhs | I would love to have linuxMCE for my boat, when I have a boat again :) | 21:23 |
alterego | :) | 21:23 |
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TSCHAKeee | berndhs: one of the first deployments of Pluto (the original name for the system) was on a yacht. ;) | 21:24 |
vgrade-de | TSCHAKeee: alterego , how extendable do you think the panels in tablet ux are? | 21:24 |
alterego | Heh, is it weird that I name all my devices after bodies in space as well? | 21:25 |
Stskeeps | what, dead astronauts? | 21:25 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:25 |
TSCHAKeee | heheh | 21:25 |
TSCHAKeee | vgrade-de: the engine seems extensible enough | 21:25 |
alterego | My primary N900 is Proteus, laptop is Artemis, netbook (gfs now apparently) is Saturn | 21:25 |
alterego | vgrade-de: how do you mean extensible? Maybe a panel is easy if that's what you mean :) | 21:25 |
alterego | s/Maybe/Making/ | 21:26 |
infobot | alterego meant: vgrade-de: how do you mean extensible? Making a panel is easy if that's what you mean :) | 21:26 |
vgrade-de | alterego: just thinking about an orbiter panel in tablet ux | 21:26 |
alterego | Good idea, :) | 21:26 |
TSCHAKeee | I had thought of that too. | 21:27 |
TSCHAKeee | we have a concept of "Screens" in Orbiter | 21:27 |
TSCHAKeee | which are basically just encapsulated modalities | 21:27 |
TSCHAKeee | i.e. one screen is a list of all the scenarios available in a room | 21:27 |
TSCHAKeee | another screen is the remote control for what's currently playing | 21:28 |
TSCHAKeee | another screen pops up when a call comes in, etc. | 21:28 |
alterego | Cool | 21:28 |
TSCHAKeee | and we have a concept of "binding" orbiters to a screen etc, so that they stay in sync when something changes | 21:28 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: for example, if i use my TV remote to start a movie | 21:28 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: the Joggler beside my bed also changes to the video playing remote | 21:29 |
TSCHAKeee | as well as my cisco IP phone | 21:29 |
TSCHAKeee | etc. | 21:29 |
TSCHAKeee | kept in sync | 21:29 |
alterego | Cool | 21:29 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: the video shows all of this... are you watching? :) | 21:29 |
alterego | my gf is ebaying at the moment, don't want to screw her auctions just yet :P | 21:30 |
TSCHAKeee | ROFL | 21:30 |
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TSCHAKeee | understood completely | 21:30 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: we also have an extensive plug and play system... if I plug in a new network storage drive, or a new IP phone, or a new media director, or a networked tuner like the HDHomeRun, etc... or a USB device, etc.. the system asks about it, and asks whether or not it should configure it automatically. | 21:31 |
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TSCHAKeee | as well as diskless booting of all media PCs | 21:32 |
alterego | neat, what do you use for video streaming? | 21:32 |
alterego | If you do streaming? | 21:32 |
TSCHAKeee | with remote powering on/off | 21:32 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: it's highly abstracted, currently we use a player based on libxine that we've made into a device for the system, it can stream to the other end points in the house as needed. | 21:32 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: but it can be replaced with another DCE device that implements gstreamer, or mplayer, or VLC, for example. | 21:33 |
alterego | And do you expose uPnP interfaces etc | 21:33 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: we really do not care... the core of the system just sends messages, "go play this" "do this" etc. | 21:33 |
alterego | Cool | 21:33 |
alterego | Can you talk uPnP ? | 21:33 |
alterego | You better do ;) | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: we currently package MediaTomb as a UPNP server, and we use djmount to crawl upnp devices for media to show up in the system...but we want to do better. | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | the issue being that | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | well | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | UPnP as a standard | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | really sucks. | 21:34 |
alterego | I know :/ | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | full of holes | 21:34 |
alterego | It's a real b*tch | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | and I've been saving up money | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | to get a copy of the DLNA standards | 21:34 |
alterego | Unfortunately Sony have used it quite a bit .. | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | (it's $10,000 to get the book) | 21:34 |
alterego | Wow .. | 21:34 |
TSCHAKeee | the irony is once we implement the messaging | 21:35 |
TSCHAKeee | we can control their devices effortlessly | 21:35 |
TSCHAKeee | we also were the ONLY system in existance | 21:35 |
TSCHAKeee | to actually implement THX Blackbird | 21:35 |
TSCHAKeee | ALL OF IT | 21:35 |
alterego | :) | 21:35 |
TSCHAKeee | meaning, that if you selected a DVD, or put one in, whatever | 21:35 |
TSCHAKeee | it would contact THX servers, send a disc ID | 21:35 |
alterego | Well, if you ever feel the need to control security cameras I know several PTZ protocols :) | 21:36 |
TSCHAKeee | and based on that disc ID send back a whole set of parameters for the TV and the amplifier | 21:36 |
TSCHAKeee | which the system would send the appropriate commands to set TV aspect ratio, DSP modes for the amplifier etc automatically | 21:36 |
TSCHAKeee | but the standard didn't survive | 21:36 |
TSCHAKeee | because nobody could implement it all | 21:36 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:36 |
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alterego | Neat | 21:37 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: we do support and control security cameras within the system | 21:37 |
alterego | Oh cool | 21:37 |
TSCHAKeee | as well as provide an interface to security sensors etc | 21:37 |
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TSCHAKeee | whether they are stand alone, or connected to a supported panel | 21:37 |
TSCHAKeee | point being you relaly don't need a panel | 21:37 |
TSCHAKeee | orbiter becomes your panel | 21:37 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: when I say "smart home platform" ... I mean it. | 21:38 |
TSCHAKeee | we even do climate and irrigation control | 21:38 |
alterego | Do you have a list of protocols? | 21:38 |
alterego | I guess it doesn't really matter, all the protocols I know are industrial anyway .. | 21:39 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: yeah, on the wiki.. but the short list is, X-10, Z-Wave, Insteon, EIB/KNX, PLCBus, and a few others. | 21:39 |
TSCHAKeee | (yes we actually support KNX) | 21:39 |
alterego | Heh | 21:39 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: we even have a mechanism for follow me | 21:39 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: if you can emit a presence event in the house that says you've gone from one room to another | 21:40 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: the system will make your media, lighting, climate, telecom, whatever, follow you to that room | 21:40 |
alterego | Neat, | 21:40 |
TSCHAKeee | turning things on/off as needed. | 21:40 |
TSCHAKeee | we've done it in the past with cell phones, RFID tags, 1-wire i-buttons, etc. | 21:40 |
alterego | I don't really have anything that could do that :) | 21:40 |
alterego | Except point/click on a map. | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | and yeah | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | you can do that too | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | if you change room on an orbiter with follow me enabled | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | it will emit the event | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | i want somebody to take OpenKinect | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | and OpenCV | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | and do a device for the Kinect | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | which does facial recog | 21:41 |
TSCHAKeee | my initial experiements with OpenCV show this is possible | 21:42 |
alterego | Yeah, RFID seems the most "robust" because I don't want my gf triggering an IR sensor whilst she's sleeping and a TV coming alive in the bedroom showing hard core porn. | 21:42 |
TSCHAKeee | haha | 21:42 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:42 |
TSCHAKeee | we do support private media btw | 21:43 |
alterego | TSCHAKeee: http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/Z.Kalal/tld.html | 21:43 |
TSCHAKeee | both in storage | 21:43 |
alterego | Under GPL too :) | 21:43 |
RST38h | alterego: Why is it set to the hardcore porn channel in the first place? | 21:43 |
TSCHAKeee | and in the floorplan you can mark media as private so ppl can't view it. | 21:43 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: that's the other thing too..once you draw a floorplan, you can place devices on it, and use the floor plan view to control any device in your home discretely. | 21:43 |
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ali1234 | TSCHAKeee: do you have real, non-technical users? | 21:44 |
ali1234 | i mean eg people who use it every day and don't have a nerd to keep it working on call 24 hours | 21:44 |
ali1234 | and also have a fairly large complicated set up | 21:44 |
ali1234 | such as the one in your demo video | 21:44 |
TSCHAKeee | ali1234: yes. As I have mentioned above, there are installers above who install and maintain the systems for customers. | 21:45 |
TSCHAKeee | just like any Crestron, AMX, Control4, etc. setup | 21:45 |
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alterego | That predator stuff looks v. impressive | 21:45 |
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alterego | I might play with it sometime. | 21:45 |
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TSCHAKeee | ali1234: the complex nature of the whole problem space means ultimately that LinuxMCE will have to rely on technical competence for its installation. | 21:46 |
TSCHAKeee | this will change over time | 21:46 |
TSCHAKeee | and as I am NOT interested in having a billion users | 21:46 |
TSCHAKeee | this helps reinforce my intrinsic patience. | 21:47 |
TSCHAKeee | I work on this system for fun | 21:47 |
TSCHAKeee | because I want it to exist | 21:47 |
ali1234 | yes, for installation... but can you set it up for someone, and then they'll use it day to day without calling you every five minutes? | 21:47 |
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alterego | :) | 21:47 |
TSCHAKeee | ali1234: yes. | 21:47 |
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ali1234 | and has it been done? | 21:48 |
TSCHAKeee | yes. refer to Dianemo for an example. | 21:48 |
TSCHAKeee | they have close to 100 active clients under their belt atm | 21:48 |
ali1234 | cool, UK as well | 21:49 |
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TSCHAKeee | ali1234: talk to Andrew Herron.. tell him Thomas Cherryhomes from LinuxMCE sent you. ;) (he is also known as totallymaxed on the forums and here on IRC) | 21:49 |
TSCHAKeee | they've been a Pluto systems specialist since 2005. | 21:50 |
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ali1234 | TSCHAKeee: i have no need for it personally, what with living in a cave and all | 21:52 |
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ali1234 | but the ability to install and forget is really the acid test of something like this | 21:53 |
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TSCHAKeee | ali1234: :P | 21:55 |
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* RST38h checks out LinuxMCE, finds half the menus in primal green | 22:27 | |
RST38h | "How do you find that a program is made by geeks, for geeks, in three easy steps" | 22:28 |
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thiago_home | is that a meegoconf talk? | 22:29 |
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Stskeeps | it could be fun to watch RST38h do that one, actually | 22:29 |
TSCHAKeee | RST38h: I know | 22:30 |
TSCHAKeee | RST38h: I did not do the UI | 22:30 |
RST38h | Oh, I can definitely do a talk like that, but it will be along the standup comedy lines | 22:31 |
TSCHAKeee | god I know | 22:31 |
RST38h | TSCHAK: I know :) | 22:31 |
TSCHAKeee | I have been apologising for Orbiter's look | 22:31 |
TSCHAKeee | since 2003. | 22:31 |
TSCHAKeee | my throat is sore. | 22:31 |
berndhs | TSCHAKeee: don't apologize, explain why its better that it doesn't look good | 22:31 |
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alterego | I think RST38h should do that talk | 22:32 |
TSCHAKeee | berndhs: we were busy making the back end possible | 22:32 |
alterego | We should have a comedy tent or someting :P | 22:32 |
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TSCHAKeee | and making Orbiter highly retargetable | 22:32 |
berndhs | TSCHAKeee: sure, but Apple and M$ often tell people their limitations are a good thing when they can't get soemthing to work | 22:33 |
TSCHAKeee | hehehehe | 22:33 |
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TSCHAKeee | yes, that is true | 22:33 |
TSCHAKeee | the old "but you don't really need copy and paste. It's a feature!" | 22:33 |
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RST38h | "<TSCHAKeee> berndhs: we were busy making the back end possible" <-- exactly | 22:36 |
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piotr | hi | 22:42 |
piotr | any Meegons here? | 22:42 |
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ali1234 | berndhs: or like "the menu and the minimize button suck anyway" | 22:44 |
ali1234 | wait, that's gnome, nvm | 22:44 |
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piotr | any nokians working on meego? | 22:44 |
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Stskeeps | piotr: there's plenty, but we're all meegons, company affiliation matters little :) | 22:47 |
piotr | sure, I just need a nokian | 22:48 |
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CosmoHill | would a meegon with a nokia do? | 22:48 |
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piotr | :) | 22:49 |
CosmoHill | I have most of a nokia | 22:49 |
piotr | which is the best non-nokia device to run meego? | 22:50 |
Stskeeps | wetab doesn't look half bad | 22:50 |
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CosmoHill | piotr: netbook, tablet or phone? | 22:51 |
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piotr | phones I have plenty | 22:52 |
piotr | I work for nokia | 22:52 |
piotr | tablet or netbook could be nice | 22:52 |
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* CosmoHill finds further prove that the people who created the Vodafone website have never themselfs used it when he compares two touch screen phones that don't support touch screen | 22:55 | |
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CosmoHill | wtf, now it's just getting things very wrong | 22:57 |
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CosmoHill | it says the HTC wild fire, doesn't have touch screen or 3G and that it has a 1.3MP camera | 22:57 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: did you watch the demo? | 22:59 |
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TSCHAKeee | hello DawnFoster | 23:00 |
timeless_w7ip | hi dawn | 23:00 |
CosmoHill | what he said | 23:00 |
DawnFoster | hey TSCHAKeee | 23:00 |
DawnFoster | hi guys | 23:00 |
TSCHAKeee | DawnFoster: did you get my private msg earlier? | 23:00 |
* TSCHAKeee feels like Peter Potamus on Harvey Birdman ... "Didja get that THING i sent ya?!" | 23:01 | |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 23:01 |
gabrbedd | hello timeless_w7ip | 23:01 |
DawnFoster | TSCHAKeee: we've been working on getting a system set up for people to apply for community devices. We're not quite ready to take applications yet | 23:01 |
TSCHAKeee | ok | 23:01 |
timeless_w7ip | grr | 23:02 |
timeless_w7ip | can someone please walk me through registering for the conference? | 23:02 |
timeless_w7ip | it's asking me for a password | 23:02 |
timeless_w7ip | and i'm confused | 23:03 |
alterego | timeless_w7ip: don't register as a speaker | 23:03 |
* timeless_w7ip watches arnold use a minigun to take out "all of them [police in the entire city]" | 23:03 | |
alterego | timeless_w7ip: just register as an attendee. | 23:04 |
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gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: yeah, what alterego said. That was like a 5 minute speed bump for me, too. | 23:05 |
alterego | Me too :D | 23:05 |
* alterego doesn't feel like so much of an idiot. | 23:05 | |
TSCHAKeee | who says open source people can't make effective UIs? | 23:05 |
TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 23:05 |
DawnFoster | accepted speakers will get that code to register (or if they've already registered, we'll switch them to a speaker on the back end) | 23:06 |
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alterego | I presumed the speaker bit was more corporate :) Like bill gates wanting to do a talk | 23:07 |
alterego | But I guess that's all done behind the scenes. | 23:07 |
TSCHAKeee | wouldn't that just be insult to injury... | 23:07 |
DawnFoster | wait, who told you he was one of the keynotes? | 23:08 |
DawnFoster | </humor> | 23:08 |
TSCHAKeee | hehehe | 23:09 |
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alterego | :) | 23:09 |
alterego | I'd prefer him to Balmer. :) | 23:09 |
Ans5i | Balmer would be cool.. :) | 23:09 |
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DawnFoster | developers, developers, developers | 23:10 |
Ans5i | developers developers developers :) | 23:10 |
TSCHAKeee | bouncing around like Donkey Kong going... yup | 23:10 |
TSCHAKeee | you got it | 23:10 |
Ans5i | :) | 23:10 |
DawnFoster | ha! | 23:10 |
Ans5i | *second | 23:10 |
alterego | developers developers developers .... *tomato!* | 23:10 |
TSCHAKeee | then rolling Windows 7 Phones like they were barrels at attacking developers | 23:11 |
alterego | Heh | 23:11 |
gabrbedd | maybe balmer could give CosmoHill tips on throwing chairs | 23:11 |
* CosmoHill ears prick up | 23:11 | |
alterego | Heh | 23:11 |
alterego | I registered on Intel App Up yesterday | 23:12 |
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alterego | I'm pretty annoyed that there's no tablet sdk for linux though | 23:12 |
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TSCHAKeee | there is, if you change the URL to read linux instead of windows | 23:13 |
alterego | interwesting | 23:13 |
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DawnFoster | alterego: what Linux OS are you using? | 23:13 |
gabrbedd | alterego: What do you mean "no tablet sdk" ? | 23:14 |
alterego | I'll check that out tomorrow. | 23:14 |
DawnFoster | we pulled the linux sdk | 23:14 |
alterego | DawnFoster: ubuntu 10.10 64bit currently | 23:14 |
CosmoHill | DawnFoster: how come? | 23:14 |
gabrbedd | alterego: What's wrong with the ones on RMC? | 23:14 |
DawnFoster | for doing very destructive things to atilla's os | 23:14 |
DawnFoster | he was using kubuntu | 23:14 |
CosmoHill | was being the key word | 23:14 |
DawnFoster | it deleted a bunch of files | 23:14 |
julienf | hey guys :) | 23:15 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: watch the demo video? :D | 23:15 |
julienf | long time idle.... | 23:15 |
alterego | Though don't even have a hfp arm madde sysroot yet :) | 23:15 |
DawnFoster | technically, it isn't supported on kubuntu, but it shouldn't be allowed to wipe a huge chunk of the hard drive either :) | 23:15 |
gabrbedd | Yeah... atilla had a minor objection to the install script doing a `rm -rf /` on his puter. | 23:15 |
alterego | TSCHAKeee: in a minute :) | 23:15 |
TSCHAKeee | heheheh okay | 23:15 |
DawnFoster | as he shouls! | 23:15 |
gabrbedd | What a whiner | 23:15 |
DawnFoster | hey julienf | 23:15 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 23:15 |
DawnFoster | at least he was good natured about it! | 23:15 |
CosmoHill | was he all "nooo my por...grams" | 23:15 |
alterego | I'm suprised it didn't fdisk and install windows 7 :P | 23:16 |
gabrbedd | Yes, he was. :-) | 23:16 |
alterego | That, is a serious flaw :D | 23:16 |
DawnFoster | alterego: which is why we pulled it off the page :) | 23:16 |
CosmoHill | was atilla in the office or just very very angry when this happened? | 23:16 |
gabrbedd | DawnFoster: What do you mean by "isn't supported on kubuntu" ? It's still ubuntu. | 23:17 |
DawnFoster | gabrbedd: meaning we only do full qa on a few distros | 23:17 |
CosmoHill | isn't it ironic that there isn't a linux SDK for a linux platform? | 23:17 |
TSCHAKeee | ssshhhh, it's not Linux, it's MeeGo | 23:17 |
DawnFoster | something was different enough that it worked on ubuntu and did something terrible on kubuntu | 23:18 |
TSCHAKeee | we don't wanna scare off the fragile windows developers | 23:18 |
DawnFoster | technically, the SDK is fine | 23:18 |
gabrbedd | DawnFoster: k, thanks. | 23:18 |
DawnFoster | it was the installer that was borked | 23:18 |
CosmoHill | so I may install the SDK but lose pro...grams | 23:18 |
timeless_w7ip | rm -rtf / ? anyone have a video of this? :) | 23:18 |
CosmoHill | timeless_w7ip: blah | 23:19 |
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CosmoHill | rm -rvf / & | 23:19 |
gabrbedd | A ${HOME}-less SDK. A root-less existence. | 23:19 |
CosmoHill | if you're gonna empty someone's hard drive you might as well empty their bows too | 23:20 |
alterego | This is why I generally build my own "sdks" | 23:20 |
DawnFoster | alterego: what - you don't trust us? :) | 23:20 |
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gabrbedd | I didn't install the Intel SDK. What was special about it? | 23:21 |
DawnFoster | it had a pretty installer, I think | 23:21 |
timeless_w7ip | gah | 23:21 |
* timeless_w7ip kicks the registration form | 23:21 | |
timeless_w7ip | i entered dates first and then picked the room type | 23:21 |
timeless_w7ip | when i picked the room type, it whiped out my dates! | 23:21 |
gabrbedd | DawnFoster: hahaha, nice... | 23:21 |
timeless_w7ip | grr | 23:21 |
timeless_w7ip | i can't check in on saturday night!? | 23:22 |
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alterego | DawnFoster: well, it's not that, I just like being able to customise things :) | 23:22 |
gabrbedd | DawnFoster: Anyway... that's what I suspected. | 23:22 |
DawnFoster | of course, you should ask an sdk developer in case I'm just making things up | 23:22 |
timeless_w7ip | grr | 23:23 |
DawnFoster | timeless_w7ip: you should be able to check in on Sat | 23:23 |
timeless_w7ip | wtf | 23:23 |
timeless_w7ip | dawn: i'm trying | 23:23 |
DawnFoster | assuming you are selecting the hyatt | 23:23 |
timeless_w7ip | i picked standard king | 23:23 |
gabrbedd | Well, I figured it was just marketing-fu to attract devs, that it's more or less the same thing avil on RMC. | 23:23 |
timeless_w7ip | i can pick 20th or 22nd | 23:23 |
timeless_w7ip | if i pick 20th, my only checkout is 21st | 23:23 |
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DawnFoster | did you try with double or another room type? | 23:24 |
* timeless_w7ip thinks that means there aren't any kings available on the 21st | 23:24 | |
berndhs | I said I will live in the parks, don't need accomodations | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | timeless_w7ip: that's my guess | 23:24 |
timeless_w7ip | yeah, i'll select double-queens | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | berndhs: hard core! | 23:24 |
timeless_w7ip | it's kinda annoying | 23:24 |
timeless_w7ip | hey, i've already done sleep in front of the library in sunny california | 23:24 |
timeless_w7ip | sprinklers included | 23:25 |
timeless_w7ip | i'd rather not do it again | 23:25 |
timeless_w7ip | (it wasn't bad, but i was like 10 years younger) | 23:25 |
DawnFoster | that's not how I want to wake up | 23:25 |
alterego | TSCHAKeee: really don't like the video prompts in the installer :P | 23:25 |
Ans5i | There is btw still room for meegathon teams in meego-summit-fi :) | 23:25 |
Ans5i | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/04/meego-summit-fi-appsstream-involved/ | 23:25 |
DawnFoster | as always, you can file bugs / feature requests against the sdk installer :) | 23:26 |
timeless_w7ip | dawn: ok, i've registered, please flip me at your convenience, but before someone books a hotel | 23:30 |
timeless_w7ip | i'm sure i can't afford it | 23:30 |
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timeless_w7ip | part of the reason for the library sleeping arrangement was that hotels in the area were 200$/night | 23:30 |
timeless_w7ip | and my credit card couldn't handle that | 23:30 |
* timeless_w7ip doesn't think it's any better today, plus that was santa clara, not san francisco which certainly costs more | 23:31 | |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: yes...we know. | 23:46 |
TSCHAKeee | that was done by the romanian team | 23:47 |
TSCHAKeee | (aka development team #2) | 23:47 |
alterego | Well, watched the whole thing now, very impressive :) | 23:48 |
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TSCHAKeee | alterego: thank you. | 23:49 |
TSCHAKeee | alterego: we've just needed UI people. I can do it, and have the credentials for it...but I have my hands all over the code...no time... | 23:50 |
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alterego | Well, I'd like to get involved. | 23:51 |
alterego | And even if you don't have the time to do UI code, you can obviously help with the artistic input and overall UX design | 23:51 |
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alterego | In fact, it'd be good to have some kind of specification | 23:55 |
alterego | And get everyone involved in building it. | 23:55 |
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