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| jonni | is there any easy shortcut to make screenshot in Meego Netbook? like crtl-shift-something | 00:59 |
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| CosmoHill | doesn't your netbook have a print screen button? | 00:59 |
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| jonni | ah, yes, that works, didnt thing about it :) | 01:00 |
| jonni | thanks | 01:00 |
| jonni | s/thing/think/ | 01:02 |
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| CosmoHill | jonni: I was worse, I was talking screen shots with my camera before I remembered the button | 01:08 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2011/01/26/rhel-6-and-nvidia/ << last screen shot I took and put online | 01:22 |
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| CosmoHill | it's completely anonymous, apart from my username >.> | 01:23 |
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| npm | somebody call the time-travelling trademark lawyers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego_%28TV_series%29 | 08:00 |
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| Qantourisc | meego has hit 1.0, does this mean it's ready for use ? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | we're getting to 1.2, but it's a platform, not a end-user product | 08:46 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: i meant 1.0 hs been passed :) | 08:47 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: what is the differnce between the platform and the end-user product ? (adding hardware drivers ?) | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: means that a vendor usually productizes it to a point where there's hardware drivers, flash support, codecs and other stuff | 08:49 |
| Qantourisc | hmmm | 08:50 |
| Qantourisc | So you'r still buying a product from the phone vendors "as is" ? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | a user would probably buy/get a product that's based upon meego but not equal to meego | 08:51 |
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| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: and unable to drop a standard (be it with updated linux kernel) on it ? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | that really depends on the vendor's setup of the device really - meego's very picky to only use upstreamed interfaces on platform side | 08:59 |
| Qantourisc | "upstreamed" ? | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, main linux kernel :P | 09:00 |
| Qantourisc | aaa | 09:00 |
| Qantourisc | thats why i said "(be it with updated linux kernel)" | 09:00 |
| Qantourisc | insterting there drivers and stuff | 09:00 |
| Qantourisc | unless ofcours they don't provide the source-code | 09:01 |
| Qantourisc | problem is i tend to keep my phones LOOOONG :) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | they have to, under the GPL :P | 09:01 |
| Qantourisc | If i can't upgrade them ... | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, then choose a vendor that gives you that ability :) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | choose with your wallet | 09:01 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: how did wallet get involved ? | 09:02 |
| Qantourisc | current phone is starting to break down :) So time for a new one, was concidering an iphone, but android is to java, and iPhone is to Apple-controlled-freak | 09:03 |
| Qantourisc | i mean | 09:03 |
| Qantourisc | was considering a smartphone, not an iphone | 09:03 |
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| Qantourisc | PS how DOES meego do with the fact it's not running java (but a X11) instead? Or didn't this affect battery life-time ? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | in the past you'd say java was using more battery :P | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, come on, x11 is from 1980 ;) | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | not the biggest power load | 09:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | 1984.. X11 from 1987. | 09:05 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: then what is ? | 09:05 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: screen ? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: screen, wlan | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | lack of power management in kernel | 09:05 |
| * TSCHAKeee used X version 10 on an HP workstation | 09:05 | |
| Qantourisc | and heavy application if you run those :) | 09:05 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: ouch ... | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | either way, meego's moving towards wayland | 09:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | thank god | 09:06 |
| Qantourisc | sounds good if i can run X11 (iirc it could right) ? | 09:06 |
| Qantourisc | But wayland doesn't support <intert window manager here> yet on desktop :) | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | of course, the concept is totally different | 09:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | who..the fuck...cares? ;) | 09:07 |
| Qantourisc | i DO | 09:07 |
| Qantourisc | I love my window manager :) | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | but for mobile devices and actually fixing the crap of the past, wayland is the way to go :P | 09:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | only a geek loves his window manager | 09:07 |
| Qantourisc | Then you haven't used a good window manager yet :p | 09:07 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: indeed | 09:07 |
| Qantourisc | watching a video online ... dam that looks slow ... | 09:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | Qantourisc: I was using X before you got out of diapers, son. ;) | 09:08 |
| Qantourisc | (meego looks slow) | 09:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | (i'm not starting an argument, just making a friendly jab) | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: many different videos out there | 09:08 |
| Qantourisc | TSCHAKeee: hehe :) | 09:09 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: yea going to look for a second one :) | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | which one did you find, out of curiousity? | 09:09 |
| Qantourisc | TSCHAKeee: seriously though, i find a good window manager important :) | 09:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | and I am SO glad that Wayland exists | 09:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | because I work on a project that will require it eventually | 09:09 |
| Qantourisc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHC_rFJJLGQ | 09:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | as the issue of using X, and a window manager, and a compositor | 09:09 |
| Qantourisc | I'm also happy about wayland | 09:09 |
| Qantourisc | verry happy | 09:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | has literally caused video output for us to tear | 09:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | because of the lag from the triple buffering occurring | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | between mapping in the window manager | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | interactions with the compositor | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | etc. | 09:10 |
| Qantourisc | still i need a good tiling window manager before i can ever switch : | 09:10 |
| Qantourisc | :) | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it is not frame synchronized | 09:10 |
| Qantourisc | X11 sure has it's issue, and this window manager is suspectible to it :/ | 09:12 |
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| Qantourisc | So how far is meego 1.1 ? (in terms of can be used) | 09:17 |
| * TSCHAKeee uses MeeGo Netbook every damned day, literally | 09:17 | |
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| Qantourisc | TSCHAKeee: netbook, i was talking phones actuall | 09:18 |
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| dm8tbr | 1.1 was never intended to be very usable | 09:18 |
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| Qantourisc | "ow" ok | 09:18 |
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| dm8tbr | 1.2 will be. at least if you install the n900 DE | 09:19 |
| Qantourisc | PS anyone tried to drop on a standard linux app on it ? :) | 09:19 |
| Qantourisc | DE ? | 09:19 |
| dm8tbr | developer edition | 09:19 |
| Qantourisc | a | 09:19 |
| timoph | define "standard linux app" | 09:19 |
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| timoph | :) | 09:19 |
| Qantourisc | i.e.: rdesktop | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | xteerm! | 09:20 |
| dm8tbr | that was already working with code drop 1.0 | 09:20 |
| Qantourisc | dm8tbr: nice | 09:20 |
| Qantourisc | xterm + ssh ? | 09:21 |
| Qantourisc | or other term | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | there, my trip to tampere fully organised | 09:23 |
| timoph | cool | 09:23 |
| timoph | Qantourisc: both there | 09:23 |
| Qantourisc | Fancy, also going to assume imap works ? | 09:23 |
| Qantourisc | And an iCall based app ... | 09:24 |
| Qantourisc | that's all i need to be able to plugin the phone to a envirement using standards | 09:24 |
| Qantourisc | (preferibly with ability to pull and push from online location the .ical files) | 09:24 |
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| CosmoHill | damn hayfever | 12:20 |
| alterego | Aww, I seem to be okay so far. | 12:21 |
| alterego | Think last year was just a freak thing of me. | 12:21 |
| CosmoHill | I normally don't have it until later in the year | 12:22 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 12:24 |
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| momesana | Hi | 13:21 |
| momesana | I am trying to insall MeeGo on a Webtab and ran into some issues | 13:21 |
| momesana | The system boots to a certain stage and then complains that it can't find the root fileystem and wants me to create a symlink to /dev/root | 13:22 |
| momesana | what am I supposed to do? Connect a second usb drive with a linux filesystem (ext3 or something like that) and then symlink the device node to /dev/root ? | 13:23 |
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| CosmoHill | ~seen vgrade | 14:16 |
| infobot | vgrade <~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 13h 28m 57s ago, saying: 'TSCHAKeee, has there been any EMGD updates posted on meego-commits? we could try raising a bug report and see where that goes'. | 14:16 |
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| Termana | morning | 14:45 |
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| alterego | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9451405.stm | 14:51 |
| alterego | "Web enabled TVs are the new battleground" :) | 14:51 |
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| ali1234 | DO NOT WANT | 14:55 |
| CosmoHill | I don't like some things going online | 14:56 |
| CosmoHill | I wasn't very happy when a blu-ray we watched made us wait for it to download an advert off the internet | 14:56 |
| alterego | I want everything online, in the way that I want all my devices to integrate. | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | yeah well good luck with that | 14:57 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't that create a single point of failure / entry? | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | because the people who make the devices are only interested in integrating with adverts | 14:57 |
| CosmoHill | ooo, I hope there will be an adblock for internet TV :) | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | thanks to adblock I forget there are adverts online | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | not a chance | 14:58 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:58 |
| alterego | If it's meego I bet we could do something ;) | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | nope | 14:58 |
| alterego | When I say integration I mean things like, uPnP for media sharing. | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | fine, I'll just have to create a private proxy server to filter it for me | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | anythign involving TV will have enough DRM to totally prevent it | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | our TV can share videos and stuff with our computers | 14:59 |
| CosmoHill | but the PS3 connected to it has wifi and does a much better / faster job | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | they'll find a way to stop that | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | unless you pay $20/month to unlock that feature | 14:59 |
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| CosmoHill | you know services like demand five that stop the video at 5, 15 and 30 mins to show you an advert, not with adblock :) | 15:01 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I doubt you'd be able to filter those out. | 15:02 |
| CosmoHill | hmmm, just thinking, if you don't have any packages sky will want money for your sky+ box to work as a sky+ box | 15:02 |
| alterego | But so what, if it subsidises your service I don't think adverts are too bad. | 15:02 |
| alterego | I always mute them anyway. | 15:02 |
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| ali1234 | i don't care about adverts | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | it's the user profiling that i don't like | 15:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 15:03 |
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| alterego | It can feel somewhat invasive, and in a a lot of cases it is quite invasive :) | 15:04 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, I kinda wondered what happens to user profilling if you have a friend over | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | it's not just invasive, it's also destroying culture | 15:04 |
| alterego | Hah, that's a bit melodramatic no? | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | when everyone has their own custom TV channel where they can watch whatever they want 24 hours a day | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | basically everyone is living intheir own private world | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | this is bad | 15:04 |
| Termana | My mother pauses pay tv for 30 minutes before sitting down to watch it so she can skip the ads. | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | you mean like how the current generation will be social retards because of facebook? | 15:05 |
| Termana | And if you accidently put it back to live tv, you will be beheaded | 15:05 |
| Termana | accidentally* | 15:05 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: not really, it's more like... | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | people who watch fox news and no other news, and think fox news is completely accurate | 15:06 |
| CosmoHill | Termana: on our sky box, you can record something, sit down at any point whilst it's still on and rewird to the start of the program | 15:06 |
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| CosmoHill | even if it;s on a different channel | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | except in the future, everyone will have their own 24 hour news channel that tells them only what they want to hear, and it will be unique for each person | 15:06 |
| alterego | s/person/america/ | 15:06 |
| alterego | You're right, but I don't see that actually changing anything. | 15:07 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, yeah, she can do that to, I think she just likes playing with the buttons | 15:07 |
| alterego | For example, some sad women that reads a lot of lady gossip mags isn't going to be interested in the middle east. | 15:07 |
| alterego | So what's the difference? She probably doesn't watch the news or ever has. | 15:08 |
| alterego | Me, I like reading and watching the news. | 15:08 |
| alterego | And I'll continue to do it. | 15:08 |
| Termana | ali1234, what if I said I like Fox News? | 15:08 |
| Termana | :p | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | Termana: liking it isnt the same as believing it | 15:08 |
| alterego | And if _my_ news channel is filtering out gossip and entertainment news, thank god :) | 15:08 |
| momesana | anybody here who successfully installed MeeGo for Tablets on WeTab? | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | thing is that with these "suggested content" things i don't get the choice | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | i get what the machine feeds me | 15:09 |
| alterego | Lazy people will continue to be lazy, for others' I think tailoured content may actually improve their lives. Like spending less time looking for that episode of west wing that was on last week or whatever. | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | based on what it thinks about me as a person | 15:10 |
| alterego | I do however believe all systems that do user profiling should have an opt-out/switch-off button | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | so in the future i won't even get the choice of watching fox, because i'm not a right wing nutcase (i'm a left wing nutcase) | 15:10 |
| Termana | Australian news is all junk and... Australian. The only other news channel I get is basically Fox News, so I watch Fox and Friends. It's a lot better, so that's probably saying something about Australian News. | 15:10 |
| alterego | And it looks like things are going that way anyway, at least in the EU, where sites will now have to have an opt-out for browser tracking. | 15:10 |
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| alterego | And this is pretty much the same thing, it's all "online" content isn't it really. | 15:11 |
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| ali1234 | if i go on youtube front page i get that "suggested videos" stuff, there's no way to override what it thinks i like except with subscriptions which are totally different | 15:12 |
| alterego | ali1234: there's no point in trying to hide your animal porn fetish we all know about it already :P | 15:13 |
| Termana | :p | 15:13 |
| alterego | each-to-their-own .. :D | 15:13 |
| ali1234 | thing is, i'd rather have a shared experience by... seeing the same view of youtube as everyone else sees | 15:13 |
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| ali1234 | i think that is what is missing from all these social sites | 15:14 |
| alterego | ali1234: yes, it is annoying, say, if you see something and say to a friend: "Look at hte front page of youtube" but it's not there for them. | 15:14 |
| ali1234 | if it looks different for everyone who visits, it's not really social at all | 15:14 |
| Termana | ali1234, you need to sign out and stop hogging all the cookies | 15:14 |
| alterego | That is annoying, | 15:14 |
| alterego | I suppose linkedin is slightly more consistent in that regard. | 15:14 |
| ali1234 | if you go back to the 90s... TV was all about "watercooler moments" - and that only happens when everyone watches the same shows | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | now everyone's like "what did you watch last night" "oh some show i downloaded" "oh, i never heard of it" "lol" | 15:16 |
| ali1234 | which sucks | 15:16 |
| Termana | ali1234, man have you seen Watson? We're all being replaced by robots anyway, that's the real 2012! | 15:16 |
| Termana | :p | 15:16 |
| ali1234 | no, i never heard of it | 15:16 |
| ali1234 | lol | 15:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:17 |
| Termana | lol :P | 15:17 |
| alterego | I dunno, the social dynamic has changed, "Have you watched this TV show, or this film, no? Oh you really should, it's right up your street. Or it's rubbish, don't bother :D" | 15:17 |
| alterego | So that is actually kind of useful really .. | 15:17 |
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| alterego | My "water cooler" moments are still as interesting. | 15:18 |
| Termana | alterego, you don't actually have a water cooler though do you? | 15:18 |
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| Termana | It's ok to admit it dude, I have one too | 15:18 |
| Termana | :p | 15:18 |
| alterego | :) | 15:19 |
| alterego | I have a tap | 15:19 |
| alterego | As I'm a indie consultant now I don't have a water cooler, or indeed anyone to talk to around it if I did :P | 15:19 |
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| alterego | My water cooler is now "The Pub" :D | 15:20 |
| Termana | heh :p | 15:20 |
| alterego | Though that hasn't realy ever changed even when I was working in an office ^.^ | 15:20 |
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| Termana | alterego, your doing IT consultanting I assume? | 15:21 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 15:21 |
| Termana | consulting* | 15:21 |
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| alterego | web sites, web apps and adhoc solutions. | 15:22 |
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| Termana | alterego, it's ok, I was just making sure you had not gone to the dark side. IP Law consulting | 15:23 |
| Termana | :p | 15:23 |
| alterego | woof | 15:23 |
| alterego | I don't even know enough about that :P | 15:23 |
| alterego | I'm sure I'm infringing patents on a day-to-day basis | 15:23 |
| alterego | Luckily I live in the EU I guess :D | 15:24 |
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| alterego | Loving this weather | 15:25 |
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| CosmoHill | my netgear router sucks so much I almost tried to vacuum my room with it | 15:25 |
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| alterego | Hah | 15:25 |
| alterego | Does the exo have fan assisted cooling? | 15:25 |
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| Termana_ | darn internet | 15:27 |
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| CosmoHill | Termana: I concur | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | / swear at netgear | 15:27 |
| alterego | 12 mins I should hopefully have a tablet vm and qt creator integration :) | 15:28 |
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| alterego | Want to do some prelim prototype of Columbus v2 Qml ui | 15:28 |
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| RST38h | alterego: finally added a map? =) | 15:31 |
| alterego | RST38h: that is a v2 feature :P | 15:32 |
| alterego | I still haven't finished v1 yet :D | 15:32 |
| RST38h | yooohooo | 15:32 |
| alterego | Just fancied a little play | 15:32 |
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| alterego | I have an "open location in google maps" plugin though :D | 15:33 |
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| alterego | ot: is safari rendering pretty much the same as webkit? | 15:35 |
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| alterego | Venemo: welcome back :) | 15:37 |
| Venemo | hey alterego :) | 15:38 |
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| CosmoHill | it's the 10th of april and I'm already on hayfever pills :( | 15:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:53 |
| alterego | Where abouts are you? | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | I swear last year I got to mid may | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | essex, uk | 15:54 |
| CosmoHill | what sucks is that I started noticing it yesterday but the last 20 mins it's really hit my hard | 15:54 |
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| alterego | Harsh, yeah, last year was pretty crazy for me (in Cambridge) | 15:56 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: come to finland. here stuff starts waaay later, you can go back to UK when it starts here :) | 15:56 |
| alterego | Nothing yet though this year, never really used to be a sufferer either. | 15:56 |
| berndhs | my allergies are a lot less when I wear contact lenses | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | I tried contacts when I was younger | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | "this is the closest we have to your perscription" | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | if I ever wanna know what it's like to be stonned I just had to tilt my head a blink a few times and the world turns into a blur of colours | 15:57 |
| berndhs | yeah can be a problem | 15:57 |
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| berndhs | i get dizzy when i wear glasses now | 15:58 |
| CosmoHill | (my contact lens were weighted) | 15:58 |
| berndhs | my eyes are different from each other, so different distortion with glasses | 15:58 |
| berndhs | takes an hour for my brain to adjust | 15:59 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping | 16:00 |
| CosmoHill | btw, if you do get hayfever and it feels like a load of snot is in your nose / throat, have a fizzy drink, it really helps | 16:00 |
| alterego | Thank god for rsync | 16:00 |
| CosmoHill | that's what she said | 16:00 |
| alterego | Well, she speaks the truth | 16:01 |
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| alterego | Hurp, the tablet ux doesn't boot under vbox :( | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | I think my hayfever pill has fully kicked in now | 16:34 |
| CosmoHill | I'm gonna sit in the garden and mock the flowers | 16:34 |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Cosmo:Sounds like you are not using the right pill | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | either way nobody can get me pregnant tonight | 16:36 |
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| alterego | Anyone had any luck running tablet ux under qemu/kvm or virtualbox? | 18:02 |
| alterego | My isos boot but complain about lack of framebuffer device. | 18:02 |
| RST38h | You need Stskeeps. | 18:02 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: ping ^ @D | 18:02 |
| RST38h | And probably a specific Intel video controller | 18:02 |
| alterego | URgh | 18:03 |
| alterego | I've got nVidia :P | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | Might be a problem. Dunno. You are running the x86 image, right? | 18:03 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:03 |
| RST38h | There is an N900 version nowadays, you may have more luck with it | 18:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, have that running, I'd prefer a full tablet UX running on my development machine at the moment so I can mess with larger screen estate. | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Buy an x86 netbook! =) | 18:05 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 18:05 | |
| alterego | I have one, but my gf stole it :( | 18:05 |
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| alterego | I think meego could benifit from something similar to my current semantic research in UI stuff for context menus. | 18:35 |
| alterego | I was watching a youtube video from mwc and someone was asking if they could share content directly from a panel, but the handler had to open the images ui to do it. | 18:36 |
| alterego | Sort of makes sense to have context menus more consistent for things like images etc .. | 18:36 |
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| berndhs | alterego: you want to send complex data between applications ? | 18:38 |
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| berndhs | alterego: or rather, you want to have an organized way to do that ? | 18:39 |
| alterego | berndhs: no, I'm working on a system for an app of mine, that has a "type repository" which allows your view logic to expose general actions depending on object instance type. | 18:39 |
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| berndhs | alterego: better MME typing stuff ? | 18:40 |
| alterego | So it sees a geo location in a list and says: "okay the user can do this, populate menu with these actions"n | 18:40 |
| berndhs | MIME even | 18:40 |
| alterego | Not mime no, though that obviously has some weight. This is application level. | 18:40 |
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| alterego | If it was utilised across ux you could click on a contact from the facebook feed and it'd allow you to initiate im, make a call etc. | 18:41 |
| berndhs | oh, action-types attached to data types | 18:41 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 18:41 |
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| berndhs | and then an app provides its own implementation of the action types | 18:42 |
| alterego | I'm actually implementing it as a way for app plugins to add context menu items in my app | 18:42 |
| alterego | Well in my app the "action" is a label and a pointer to a callable function, where you pass in an instance of the data/class that the menu was built for | 18:43 |
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| alterego | And the type repository is basically a hash/dictionary of type names to a list of action objects | 18:44 |
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| berndhs | yes i see | 18:45 |
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| alterego | I plan on extending it to handle view profiles like "list", "singular" and "table" or some such. | 18:45 |
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| alterego | berndhs: so what do you think, good idea, bad idea? :) | 18:49 |
| alterego | I was talking to you a while ago about next gen UXs wasn't I? :) | 18:49 |
| berndhs | I think it can help to ensure that apps fit in more completely | 18:49 |
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| berndhs | not just in style, but in completeness of interface | 18:50 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:50 |
| berndhs | I think that is where this is going | 18:50 |
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| berndhs | i've been thinking about some other aspects | 18:51 |
| alterego | Well, if you've got time I'm happy to hear them :) | 18:52 |
| berndhs | division of data models and presentation is one | 18:52 |
| berndhs | and another is a "distance" measure between functions | 18:52 |
| berndhs | like, how many user interactions between app function send-document and adjust-settings | 18:52 |
| alterego | Like UX profiling? | 18:53 |
| alterego | I was thinking of writing a http log analyser to do that for some of my web applications actually :) | 18:53 |
| berndhs | sort of, I want a more formal way do describe these things | 18:53 |
| berndhs | have to write this stuff down somewhere | 18:54 |
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| berndhs | other silly things, like how many elements a user can tell apart | 18:54 |
| berndhs | where the answer is 5 :) | 18:54 |
| alterego | Oh you mean from visual recognition | 18:54 |
| berndhs | because visually, 6 = many | 18:55 |
| alterego | Like how good the brain is at recognising differences from first glance? | 18:55 |
| berndhs | no just how many items | 18:55 |
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| berndhs | if its more than 5, the brain starts chunking them into groups | 18:55 |
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| berndhs | doesn't matter how smart the person is | 18:55 |
| alterego | I wonder if fish eye list views would improve that. | 18:56 |
| berndhs | hmm maybe | 18:56 |
| alterego | But with the current high resolution of displays, lists do tend to show a lot of information in one viewport. | 18:56 |
| berndhs | you mean like showing the middle 3 big and clear, and the rest small and fuzzy ? | 18:57 |
| alterego | But a lot of people hate wasted space, so :D | 18:57 |
| alterego | Yeah just like that | 18:57 |
| alterego | Or zooming in the center/current ones | 18:57 |
| berndhs | i think thats a gradual way of limiting the number | 18:57 |
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| berndhs | the 5 is serious, I didn't just make that up | 18:58 |
| alterego | I don't doubt it :) | 18:58 |
| berndhs | and I think it ties into the "distance" concept | 18:58 |
| berndhs | because with more than 5 and the brain doing chunking to sub-groups, you effectively add another stop | 18:59 |
| berndhs | s/stop/step/ | 18:59 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: because with more than 5 and the brain doing chunking to sub-groups, you effectively add another step | 18:59 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:59 |
| alterego | I think more than 3 steps and I get bored :) | 19:00 |
| berndhs | so instead of see-list + hit-choice, you have see-list + chunk-list + hit-choice | 19:00 |
| berndhs | and yes, more than 3 steps and people forget whey they started doing it | 19:00 |
| berndhs | s/whey/why | 19:00 |
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| alterego | Right, lets see if this image works in virtualbox | 19:02 |
| berndhs | i ahven't tried tablet in a while | 19:02 |
| alterego | I really want to get into it :) | 19:03 |
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| berndhs | tablet is interesting as a cross between phone and netbook | 19:03 |
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| alterego | I'm interested to see how much life is in netbooks. | 19:04 |
| alterego | I'm wondering whether tablet will be more popular. | 19:04 |
| berndhs | just need a nice marketing name for that | 19:04 |
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| alterego | I also like the panel idea for TV | 19:04 |
| alterego | Well, look at that :) | 19:04 |
| alterego | It worked :D | 19:04 |
| berndhs | cool | 19:04 |
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| alterego | framerate is appalling :D | 19:05 |
| alterego | I'm gonna see if it's any better in qemu/kvm | 19:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | alterego: we took a very different approach, and made everything overlay as subtle as possible, in LinuxMCE... atop the media...being as out of the way as possible... we just didn't have very good artists :( | 19:06 |
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| alterego | :) | 19:06 |
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| berndhs | UX needs a collaboration of engineering, visual arts, and cognitive science | 19:09 |
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| RST38h | Needs common sense and restraint, first of all | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | After all, Google UIs seemed to be doing very well without any of the above, for a long while =) | 19:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:11 |
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| berndhs | well, you can also do marketing instead | 19:14 |
| alterego | I might stick this on a usb disk and shove it on a netbook to play | 19:18 |
| berndhs | i still dont get the difference between a laptop and a netbook | 19:19 |
| alterego | Well, works better in vbox, still pretty aweful though :D | 19:19 |
| alterego | This is very poor performance. | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | berndhs: NETBOOK = slow, Atom-based cheap crap whose only claimto fame is being cute and tiny | 19:21 |
| berndhs | ah | 19:22 |
| RST38h | berndhs: LAPTOP = something with a real x86 (or AMD) CPU capable of real work, but also very hot and more expensive | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | Not necessarily heavier though | 19:22 |
| alterego | Mostly form factor and power yeah | 19:22 |
| RST38h | or larger | 19:22 |
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| * RST38h has got a laptop that is smaller than some netbooks | 19:22 | |
| alterego | N900? :P | 19:23 |
| berndhs | so if you're a big person, the size and weight are less important :) | 19:23 |
| RST38h | No, a Portege | 19:23 |
| user_ | hey all..has meego got a build-in updater? | 19:23 |
| alterego | Annoying meego tablet doesn't see the cd .. | 19:23 |
| RST38h | berndhs: my experience shows that both are important | 19:23 |
| alterego | user, it has built in manual package management ... :D | 19:24 |
| user_ | alterego: would that mean that it's possible after installing meego de 1.99 on my n900 i could use the package management to sort of rolling upgrade through a certain repo? | 19:26 |
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| alterego | In theory | 19:26 |
| alterego | Not sure how well it actually works though | 19:26 |
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| alterego | You should be able to set the repo to use "latest" and do whatever zypper commands cause it to update/upgrade packages. | 19:27 |
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| alterego | Where's Stskeeps when you need him :) | 19:27 |
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| user_ | cool..so then theres no need to download each build and flash it onto the device? | 19:28 |
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| alterego | Well, like I said, it probably wont work :P | 19:28 |
| alterego | But it may be worth a try | 19:28 |
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| alterego | Can't get the vbox additions to work :/ | 20:33 |
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| CosmoHill | the vbox addons aren't designed for meego | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | yet.... | 20:53 |
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| * dm8tbr got them to work | 20:57 | |
| dm8tbr | but netbook freaked out with the vbox opengl :( | 20:57 |
| dm8tbr | haven't tried with tablet | 20:58 |
| alterego | Oh, that's what I'm trying to get to work :P | 20:58 |
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| Venemo | ~seen lcuk | 23:36 |
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| infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 22h 41m 24s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'. | 23:36 |
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| Venemo | I hope lcuk is well and okay... | 23:37 |
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