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| npm | gabrbedd: you'll be sad to hear that a guy from meyersound labs is talking.... | 00:03 |
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| npm | "all nontravelling circque du soleil shows are using linux" | 00:07 |
| gabrbedd | npm: sad... why? | 00:07 |
| npm | because you can't watch it now (but hopefull it'll be recorded) | 00:08 |
| gabrbedd | npm: oh yes... looks cool! | 00:08 |
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| npm | oh watching now? | 00:08 |
| berndhs | and we can see the slides too :) | 00:09 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: no... just googled meyerssound labs | 00:11 |
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| npm | they use www.xenomai.org for rt | 00:16 |
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| kahless | if i want to dd a recent meego to my n900 sdcard, which one should i try? :) | 00:18 |
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| kingkea | hello team meego | 00:36 |
| kingkea | can meego run on any platform? | 00:36 |
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| smoku | kingkea, yes you can | 00:38 |
| gabrbedd | kingkea: You mean... like... burning platforms? | 00:38 |
| smoku | kingkea, or.. you _may_. I'm not sure whether _you_ can. ;-) | 00:39 |
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| * rustylynch imagines the same technology that was used in the laptop of "Independence Day" that was able to magically run software on alien computers | 00:40 | |
| mikeleib | java is write once run anywhere ... <snicker> | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | is it possible for use a nokia phone as a GPS device on a laptop | 00:41 |
| kingkea | can i run meego on my desktop | 00:42 |
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| mikeleib | images of meego for x86 require ssse3 instruction set support and graphics that have open source drivers | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | kingkea: as long as it meets the hardware requirements outlined in the FAQ | 00:43 |
| kingkea | maybe it'd be stupid to run it on my desktop | 00:43 |
| mikeleib | it depends on what you want to do. I run it on my development system. I eat my own dogfood | 00:44 |
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| kingkea | oh okay. my wife has a netbook with windows 7. is that a better platform than meego? | 00:45 |
| mikeleib | If you're expecting it to work like a regular consumer friendly distro, you won't get what you want | 00:45 |
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| gabrbedd | rustylynch: A computer virus, no less! | 00:45 |
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| rustylynch | we should have that technology shortly... still finishing the open source approval process | 00:46 |
| kingkea | hey did you know that in windows 7 starter edition it doesn't allow you to change wallpapers | 00:46 |
| gabrbedd | darn it! I missed another announcement... do I need to be on the meego-seti ML or something? | 00:47 |
| gabrbedd | kingkea: I personally like MeeGo 1.1 Netbook WAAAAY better than W7 Starter. | 00:47 |
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| gabrbedd | W7 Starter is an utter joke, IMHO. | 00:47 |
| gabrbedd | And it ran like a dog. | 00:47 |
| CosmoHill | a dog with half a brain | 00:48 |
| gabrbedd | kingkea: However, if it's not a netbook or something -- you might consider Ubuntu or Fedora | 00:48 |
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| * gabrbedd loved how the Lenovo S10-3T came with a multi-touch touchscreen... but W7 Starter disables multi-touch. | 00:50 | |
| kingkea | it does run really bad to be honest gabrbedd | 00:50 |
| kingkea | honestly though... i see why it runs bad | 00:51 |
| kingkea | its running limited memory | 00:51 |
| kingkea | 1gig ( which is more tan my desktop but i'm running xp) | 00:52 |
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| gabrbedd | Anyway, to run MeeGo on your desktop you need a supported processor (Core2 or Atom or newer) | 00:54 |
| gabrbedd | MeeGoBot: supported processors? | 00:54 |
| MeeGoBot | gabrbedd: Was it not... er, someone, who said: Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors | 00:54 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:20 |
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| joseph__ | hi, | 06:51 |
| joseph__ | just read the "how to get started" from meego Wiki.... | 06:51 |
| joseph__ | how do I gain account for OBS system? any body can help? | 06:52 |
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| timoph | joseph__: community obs? | 06:56 |
| joseph__ | i think yes | 06:56 |
| timoph | you need to ping lbt about it | 06:56 |
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| joseph__ | hum.. thanks timoph | 06:58 |
| timoph | I'd guess he's still sleeping. It's bit early in europe | 06:58 |
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| joseph__ | ok, maybe later! | 06:59 |
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| DavidJ | hello? | 08:13 |
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| Stskeeps | hi | 08:14 |
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| DavidJ | whats the deal with using meego on tablets? | 08:21 |
| thiago | "it works" | 08:21 |
| DavidJ | is there a premade image for it | 08:22 |
| DavidJ | like there is for netbooks and handsets etc | 08:22 |
| kingkea | check out the website. | 08:22 |
| DavidJ | i did | 08:22 |
| kingkea | theres a live image you can download | 08:22 |
| DavidJ | donde? | 08:23 |
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| DavidJ | cuz im in the downloads section and see nothing | 08:23 |
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| npm | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.99.1.20110405.3/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.99.1.20110405.3/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.99.1.20110405.3/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.99.1.20110405.3.img | 08:25 |
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| pixelgeek_ | Or even http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview | 08:34 |
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| wassupnari | Stskeeps : hi :) | 08:41 |
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| bkalinga | Packaging Error: Command 'rrpmbuild -bb meegoimengine.spec' failed.Exit code: 2 | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | rrpm? | 10:01 |
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| bkalinga | when trying to build "meego-inputmethodengine" from Qt-creator | 10:02 |
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| bkalinga | Qt-creator invoked in Ubuntu10.04 by using meego-sdk-qtcreator | 10:02 |
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| bkalinga | anyone able to build any packages/application on qt-creator and launch them in qemu successfully | 10:21 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:36 |
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| amjad | morning | 10:41 |
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| pixelgeek_ | good night! | 10:53 |
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| timeless_w7ip | anyone wanna place bets on the number of additional rounds of ping pong remaining for https://bugs.meego.com/show_activity.cgi?id=15207 ? :) | 10:54 |
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| andre__ | impressive :-( | 10:56 |
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| timeless_w7ip | andre__: it's best that it happen w/ bugs filed by someone like me | 10:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | instead of an actual random person | 10:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | that'd be really frustrating for that person | 10:59 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, ping | 11:15 |
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| priyanka | HI is there some way by which I can genrate a ks file for a particular meego image | 12:46 |
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| priyanka | when I boot my livesub image for meego1.1 IVI X86 i just get a balck screen saying Boot: can somebody suggest wat may be the sisue | 12:48 |
| alterego | Venemo: yeah? | 12:51 |
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| Jameel | Hiiii | 12:57 |
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| arfoll | hello. is there an updated installable tablet UX image for the S10-3t? | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | on repo.meego.com maybe | 13:03 |
| Guest98320 | wouldn't it be at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ ? | 13:04 |
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| arfoll | Guest98320, i think you hit the nail on the head. but does that work on the s10-3t? | 13:04 |
| priyanka | have there been changes to mic2 recently .. am getting errors after i updated | 13:05 |
| w00t_ | arfoll: I don't know, I've been building pinetrail images and they've worked on the lenovo at least | 13:06 |
| arfoll | w00t_, thanks i guess i have to try, its just my internet is sooo slow | 13:07 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 13:08 |
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| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/YJmNm5Fi | 13:26 |
| bkalinga | My .rpm does not contain the .so file | 13:26 |
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| bkalinga | But install command shows, .so file is created and placed in "rrpmbuild/instroot/usr/lib/libmeegoimengine.so" | 13:27 |
| bkalinga | can someone point out what is going wrong | 13:28 |
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| w00t_ | mikhas: ^ maybe you have a clue | 13:28 |
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| bkalinga | hey ..i could see; all sub dir has separate rrpmbuild directory | 13:32 |
| bkalinga | and outer rrpmbuild is used to create the .rpm file | 13:33 |
| bkalinga | which contains nothing | 13:33 |
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| bkalinga | so can some one point out how to club all these "rrpmbuild" so that the .rpm which is created out of "rrpmbuild" contains all required .h and binaries | 13:35 |
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| Aard | bkalinga: a) .h and .so go into -devel subpackage b) most, if not all of the people seriously working on the distribution either write spec files manually, or use spectacle, so I don't expect that you'll find many people capable of helping with your problem | 13:52 |
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| bkalinga | where is this -devel subpackage located | 13:54 |
| Aard | see b) :) | 13:54 |
| bkalinga | i see only one .rpm file in the outer most directory | 13:55 |
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| bkalinga | where are there are multiple rrpm folders in the sub directories | 13:55 |
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| bkalinga | *where as there are multiple rrpm folders in the sub directories | 13:55 |
| bkalinga | so you mean..everything can be controlled though modifying the spec file? | 13:56 |
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| Aard | of course. the spec file contains all the information for building a rpm package | 13:57 |
| priyanka | when I boot my livesub image for meego1.1 IVI X86 i just get a balck screen saying Boot: can somebody suggest wat may be the issue | 13:57 |
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| mikhas | w00t_ what? | 14:05 |
| mikhas | ugh, .rpm related questions | 14:05 |
| mikhas | I left RPM behind in 2003, for good I had hoped | 14:05 |
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| mikhas | rustylynch, we just decided to remove reactionmap functionality from meego-keyboard, in MeeGo 1.2 | 15:32 |
| mikhas | happy now? ;-) | 15:32 |
| mikhas | reasoning: it is pretty much non-functional on MeeGo 1.2 anyway | 15:32 |
| araujo | hehehe | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | was that the immersion plugin place? | 15:34 |
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| mikhas | for the vibra? yeah | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 15:38 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, if someone could create some pressure that such backend is needed in MeeGo ... ;-) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully meego can do away with framework abuse.. ie frameworks that only really work if certain closed source bits are there.. | 15:40 |
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| Venemo | alterego, do you plan to enter the coding competition? | 16:18 |
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| Bostik | this is rather annoying, and I don't exactly know where to start slicing | 16:51 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: Aim for the heart. | 16:52 |
| Bostik | given the latest 1.1.90 snapshot (which contains qt-4.7.2), I'm trying to port the qt.spec towards future; it is a bit tricky when even trying to build the provided .src.rpm against the very .spec found in the package fails | 16:52 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: so... rpmbuild --rebuild qt-4.7.2-x.y.src.rpm fails to build from source? | 16:54 |
| Bostik | build error occurs in src/dbus/qdbusintegrator.cpp and is a simple error from invalid cast but as far as I can see, it's not from any of the patches | 16:54 |
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| Bostik | gabrbedd: so far I've done the pre-steps manually - unpacked .src.rpm, put sources+patches+icons in rpmbuild/SOURCES/ and qt.spec in rpmbuild/SPECS | 16:55 |
| Bostik | but just to be sure, I'll give that exact command a run | 16:55 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: Well that SRPM was created by OBS... so it's the result of a successful compile. | 16:56 |
| Bostik | indeed, and that's why I'm scratching my head | 16:56 |
| gabrbedd | Bostik: I think the logs are available so that you can maybe see what's different between your build system and theirs. | 16:56 |
| gabrbedd | Bostik: are you building on MeeGo... or in a MeeGo chroot? | 16:57 |
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| Bostik | gabrbedd: inside a meego-only VM | 16:58 |
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| Bostik | so it's on meego, certainly | 16:58 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: perhaps paste the error messages? | 16:59 |
| Bostik | the actual message is "error: invalid conversion from 'const void*' to 'void*'", so it might be some kind of default build flag which is passed to g++ in OBS but not here | 17:01 |
| Bostik | I'll put the full error in pastebin so you can see the context | 17:02 |
| gabrbedd | Bostik: also need to paste the code it refers to. | 17:02 |
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| Bostik | oh yes, getting that too :) | 17:02 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: My guess is that it's probably a version mismatch in a 3rd party lib or some kind of compiler switch. | 17:03 |
| gabrbedd | Bostik: ...or you have an "optional dependency" installed that wasn't installed in OBS -- thereby activating the feature. | 17:04 |
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| Bostik | http://pastebin.com/H723f0aS | 17:07 |
| Bostik | and exactly same error from "rpm --rebuild" too | 17:08 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: I don't see your compiler flags in that log. Those are important. | 17:14 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: And what arch are you compiling for? | 17:14 |
| Bostik | hmmmmm, that rings a bell... | 17:15 |
| Bostik | just a minute, it could be something to do with arch specification | 17:16 |
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| Bostik | also seems to be a case of my VM environment not setting any explicit flags at all | 17:27 |
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| Bostik | that would explain quite a lot | 17:27 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: In my build environment, I found that I had to set up RPM's build flags.... /etc/rpmrc or something. | 17:28 |
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| Bostik | gabrbedd: thanks, that's one more place to look at then | 17:29 |
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| gabrbedd | Bostik: I dunno if that'll fix your problem... but it's a start. Be sure to also check the build log for Qt from OBS for more clues... | 17:31 |
| Bostik | oh yes, I have that one already open for comparison purposes | 17:31 |
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| gabrbedd | ok, I won't paste the link, then. :-) | 17:32 |
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| alterego | Venemo: probably yeah, | 18:06 |
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| Venemo | alterego, and what's your app going to be? :) | 18:07 |
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| alterego | Not sure yet :) | 18:08 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of doing a Qml based Guitar tuner and chord dictionary | 18:08 |
| Venemo | alterego, I'm also wanting to code something, but haven't got a good idea yet :) | 18:09 |
| alterego | If I have time maybe some recording functionality. | 18:09 |
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| w00t_ | alterego: not going to work on the dialer anymore? | 18:09 |
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| alterego | w00t_: not for the coding competition no :P | 18:09 |
| alterego | w00t_: but yes, of course I am going to continue the dialer :) | 18:09 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: Were you thinking of doing it dial-style... or a strobe tuner? (i.e. I'm interested...) | 18:15 |
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| berndhs | pulse dial is the way to go, dial tones are so 1990s | 18:19 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: dial style, though might make a couple of "themes" | 18:48 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: If you want to collaborate... lemme know. | 18:50 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: cool :) | 18:50 |
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| alterego | I actually implemented my own fft module already as I was going to do it a while ago for maemo. | 18:51 |
| alterego | But never really got anywhere other than displaying the most dominant tone on screen in hz | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Don't need fft for that, I guess | 18:52 |
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| alterego | RST38h: seemed the best solution to me, what would you suggest? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | I use a simple algorithm that counts 0-crossings | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | Got very specific input though | 18:54 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: Yeah, you have some options other than fftw... also I wonder how well fftw will work on an ARM. | 18:57 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: mine worked pretty well | 18:58 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: FWIW, fmit uses fftw... gtkguitartune is doing something else. | 18:58 |
| * gabrbedd is NOT lobbying against fftw | 18:59 | |
| alterego | :) | 19:00 |
| alterego | I just really enjoyed learning about fourier and it seemed like the most elegant solution. | 19:00 |
| alterego | I was thinking of implementing it in glsl too :D | 19:00 |
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| naquad | how do i craete initrd in meego? | 19:03 |
| gabrbedd | I was just reading the wikipedia article on strobe tuners... and they work like RST38h was suggesting... switching the strobe light at zero crossovers. | 19:03 |
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| gabrbedd | naquad: meego doesn't do initrd, so if you want to do that then you're charting new territory. | 19:04 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: yeah, I remember reading about the too. | 19:04 |
| alterego | I might write a quick implementation of one of those and see which works best. | 19:04 |
| gabrbedd | naquad: Instead of initrd, comple stuff you need in-kernel instead of as modules. | 19:04 |
| naquad | gabrbedd, i want to create pxe boot, my idea: nbd-client (network block device client) in initrd mounting remote disk as /mnt and doing pivot_chroot there, usual boot process continues | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | err. | 19:10 |
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| piggz_ | vgrade: hi...i was browsing youre folder to try out the latest n900 image, and came across joggler images...i also happen to have one of those, what image is best? | 20:10 |
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| vlj | hi | 20:35 |
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| vlj | I've heard that amd has joined Meego. Does that mean that Meego 1.2 will include radeon driver ? | 20:36 |
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| gabrbedd | vlj: Yes, they joined last fall/winter at the MeeGo conference -- but since then I (personally) have seen no action in MeeGo regarding any AMD CPU's or GPU's. | 20:42 |
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| gabrbedd | vlj: I don't know if they've allocated any engineering resources to MeeGo -- but my guess is that they have not. | 20:42 |
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| vlj | gabrbedd: in what consist their participation if they dont allocate resources on it ?? | 20:44 |
| berndhs | ask AMD :) | 20:44 |
| gabrbedd | vlj: That's a good question! :-) | 20:44 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: +1 | 20:45 |
| vlj | they dont work on it behind closed doors ? | 20:45 |
| gabrbedd | vlj: FWIW, Intel has invested lots of resources so that people can ship top-notch, high-performance intel products that run MeeGo. | 20:46 |
| gabrbedd | vlj: So, if AMD wants to do the same for their chips... I would think they need to do the same (and tell people about it). | 20:46 |
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| gabrbedd | vlj: But whatever happens behind closed doors.... my palantir is out for repairs | 20:47 |
| vlj | gabrbedd: | 20:48 |
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| vlj | this is sad if there nothing from amd | 20:49 |
| vlj | it looked promising to have both chip maker behind a good performing os | 20:50 |
| vlj | brb | 20:50 |
| gabrbedd | vlj: Why? Seems likes it's only sad for AMD. | 20:50 |
| gabrbedd | ...unless MeeGo flops -- then it's /good/ for AMD. | 20:51 |
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| npm | alterego: if you want to make the tuner interesting, have it be able to tune all strings at once ( like http://www.tcelectronic.com/polytune.asp ) | 21:09 |
| gabrbedd | npm: alterego: now /that/ would require fft | 21:10 |
| npm | well you could also use discrete cosine transforms | 21:10 |
| npm | or wavelets | 21:11 |
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| gabrbedd | DCT is still O(N log N) :-) | 21:14 |
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| npm | are you planning on running this on an abacus or something? | 21:15 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Even worse... ARM ! | 21:16 |
| gabrbedd | (just kidding) | 21:16 |
| * RST38h wonders if ARM SoCs can be called this way | 21:17 | |
| npm | doh... man that's almost as much of a slag-off as the guy from AMD yesteday at the linuxcollabconf | 21:17 |
| npm | something about ARM is already in the data center.. in all the disk drives.. and that's where it should stay... | 21:17 |
| npm | somebody shoulda reminded him about MeeGo and AMD | 21:18 |
| gabrbedd | I'm just kidding... ARM is really cool. I just like to rag on their floating point, is all. | 21:20 |
| npm | aren't you supposed to recode everything for NEON? | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Doesn't compiler do it for you? | 21:21 |
| RST38h | And doesn't long (12 steps?) pipeline for Neon instructions make them kinda useless on A8? | 21:21 |
| gabrbedd | Even NEON isn't as powerful as Atom for FLOPS | 21:22 |
| npm | then why http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/NEON | 21:22 |
| RST38h | npm:what about it? | 21:22 |
| gabrbedd | And Atom is even kinda wimpy compared to a Core or Core2 | 21:22 |
| RST38h | About the same as the first Core, no? | 21:23 |
| npm | existence proof of need for recoding (see patch) | 21:23 |
| RST38h | At least according to the perf test results... | 21:23 |
| npm | hmm "Project not found: "devel:hardfp:prep:Trunk:Testing:neon"" | 21:23 |
| RST38h | npm: These are highly optimized pieces of media code that have been in assembly anyway | 21:23 |
| npm | non-existence proof ? | 21:24 |
| RST38h | npm: For generic math code, your compiler should do it for you =) | 21:24 |
| npm | but that's essentially what gabrbedd was talking about w/r/t FFTs | 21:24 |
| npm | tha'ts the kind of code you may need to recode to take advantage of neon arch, e.g. optimum bit widths for operations etc | 21:24 |
| RST38h | yea | 21:25 |
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| npm | and i assume the "bad floating point" comment was w/r/t running linux audio engines that use floating point as "mixer" | 21:25 |
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| npm | (which i'm not sure is a good idea sonically, but don't want to get yet another "digital summing" != "analog summing" flamewar | 21:26 |
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| RST38h | Does not matter, if your integers allow for good resolution | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | npm: No, it has to do with FFT's (which are O(N log N)) to transform a signal to the frequency domain. | 21:27 |
| RST38h | And U32 will probably be enough for most cases | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | As far as mixing... using floats just plain makes everything easier. But in the end you can do all the same stuff with integers -- it's just more work. | 21:28 |
| gabrbedd | ...more work on the programmer. | 21:28 |
| npm | gabrbedd: and thus the math used to perform that FFT, which optimizes out different if you have floating point versus fixed | 21:28 |
| RST38h | not reallymore work | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | RST38h: when adding floats, I never have to check for overflow. | 21:29 |
| RST38h | Same with ints | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | I don't even have to clip them. | 21:29 |
| RST38h | Same | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | How? | 21:29 |
| npm | http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/ Because MAD uses integer computation rather than floating point, it is well suited for architectures without a floating point unit. All calculations are performed with a 32-bit fixed-point integer representation. | 21:29 |
| RST38h | You are adding 16bit ints into a 32bit int | 21:30 |
| RST38h | You will have to add 65536 different sound sources before it overflows. | 21:30 |
| RST38h | Have you got that many? | 21:30 |
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| gabrbedd | ok... and so I need to use 64-bit ints to sum my 32-bit data? | 21:31 |
| npm | usually | 21:31 |
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| npm | take a look at the bit widths of pro mixing boards | 21:32 |
| RST38h | more or less | 21:32 |
| RST38h | except that you rarely get 32bit audio samples :) | 21:32 |
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| npm | or for example the digital mixer in the RME's .. how wide? | 21:32 |
| gabrbedd | Right... but I still think d[i] += s[i] * gain | 21:32 |
| gabrbedd | is easier than.... | 21:32 |
| RST38h | gabr: Ok, 256 sources by using individual 0..255 gains | 21:33 |
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| RST38h | gabr: 256 is still a freaking lot of audio sources though. You usually get atmost 16. | 21:33 |
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| npm | or the envy24's 36 bit wide mixer for 10 sources: http://code.google.com/p/mudita24/source/browse/trunk/mudita24/README | 21:33 |
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| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/npm/envy24mixer-architecture.png | 21:34 |
| gabrbedd | int64_t t foreach{ t += s[i] * gain_num / gain_den; } d[i] = t; | 21:34 |
| gabrbedd | ...or something like that. Isn't that what you'd need to do? | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | garb: One suggestion | 21:35 |
| gabrbedd | Oh wait... I have to bit shift the t or something... | 21:35 |
| RST38h | garb: Divisions are really bad for your performance | 21:35 |
| CosmoHill | anyone here on mibbit? | 21:35 |
| RST38h | AVOID. | 21:35 |
| gabrbedd | RST38h: so how do you scale? | 21:35 |
| npm | RST38h: you work w/ 32 bit "frames" if you have 24 bit audio | 21:35 |
| RST38h | You can always shift t | 21:35 |
| * gabrbedd only does floating point DSP.... | 21:36 | |
| RST38h | Shifting t is the same thing as scaling the whole thingdown | 21:36 |
| gabrbedd | RST38h: So then I'm always changing the volume by -3db | 21:36 |
| gabrbedd | (or +3dB) | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Well, depends on how much you WANT to change it | 21:36 |
| RST38h | You do not HAVE to shift | 21:37 |
| RST38h | You can even divide rather than shift, but do divide t rather than individual components | 21:37 |
| RST38h | This applies to floating point numbers as well | 21:37 |
| gabrbedd | But in FP, you don't have to divide to get a fractional gain. | 21:38 |
| gabrbedd | Anyway... I know it can all be done in int... it's just there's more pitfalls. | 21:38 |
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| npm | RST38h: done that way, all your fadeouts would have "zipper noise" ... that's where floating point is very helpful | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | Maybe, but I am not dealing with high-precision audio anyway, only doing CD-quality | 21:41 |
| gabrbedd | npm: BTW I just realized my response was partially nagative about DCT and wavelet. Sorry. Those are good suggestions. :-) | 21:42 |
| npm | esp. for tuning five strings at once... and not computing imaginary plane stuff that got thrown out at the A/D converter | 21:43 |
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| gabrbedd | RST38h: Well, in pro audio apps it's all floating point... which is a relaxing environment as far as that goes. :-) | 21:44 |
| npm | RST38h: what's are you doing that's CD quality. IMHO, given mp3's these days, i'd be happy with actually getting CD quality | 21:44 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: in linux pro audio apps using jack.... | 21:45 |
| gabrbedd | ...and jack is a 32-bit floating point api. | 21:45 |
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| gabrbedd | But even the Windows and OS X apps are using FP PCM, too. Heck, I think my Delta 1010 does 24-bit FP (but my memory may be failing there) | 21:46 |
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| npm | i'm not sure that applies to those doing mixing inside an FPGA | 21:47 |
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| npm | delta 1010 uses a 36 bit digital mixer | 21:47 |
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| npm | RME uses 48 or 64 | 21:48 |
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| npm | and sometimes i think it sounds cleaner using the envy24 digital mixer than using jack | 21:49 |
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| npm | is that the sound of floating point versus fixed? | 21:49 |
| npm | the truncation dither? | 21:49 |
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| npm | but i'm in a minority and usually get flamed mercilessly by fons on LAU for even mentioning it :-) | 21:50 |
| gabrbedd | npm: IIRC, while the data you send to a 1010 is 32-bit in length, it ignores the low byte | 21:50 |
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| npm | yep, it's easier to waste 8 bits | 21:50 |
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| gabrbedd | As for mixing quality.... can't say I've noticed (or looked for) any difference. | 21:51 |
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| gabrbedd | However, when using HW monitoring -- I often notice a difference. Sometimes I think it's just gain... but other times I think it's all the A/D and D/A conversions. Dunno. | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | npm: mixing 1-16 fm / wave / melodic audio channels | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | npm: from emulated hardware like OPL2/OPL3 chips etc | 21:53 |
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| npm | can you emulate my yamaha db50xg ? :-) | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | What is it? A bunch of OPL2s? | 21:54 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: BTW, when doing the +/- 3dB volume change thing.... I've heard that you can minimize the zipper effect by only changing volume at zero crossovers. | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Ah I know what it is. Not really a sound card. Just a wavetable library | 21:56 |
| npm | http://www.dancetech.com/item.cfm?threadid=328 | 21:56 |
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| npm | sounds like http://nielsmayer.com/DjColtraneRexx-qchord-salsa.flac | 21:57 |
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| npm | in a more widely used format http://nielsmayer.com/npm/Skyline_Herbie_Hancock_on_analog-modded-dynex+13.50db.ogg | 21:59 |
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| npm | RST38h: very wrong about "just a wavetable library" ... http://qxgedit.sourceforge.net/qxgedit-index.html | 22:01 |
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| npm | it's a full on synth, controllable by linux | 22:01 |
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| RST38h | ok, so you can change instrument settings | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Anything starting with OPL2 will give you the same power | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Some less mainstream chips like YM2608/2610 too | 22:02 |
| npm | OPL2 is just an fm synth | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Yes.And it still lets you change these things. | 22:02 |
| npm | the db50/60 and all of yam's later synth uses AWM which FM's samples | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Yeah, much better of course | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | But attack/decay stuff is the same | 22:03 |
| npm | and lets you setup all matter of routings to FM the FM etc. | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | anyways, have got a plane to catch (not that it is going anywhere, but still) | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | npm: Yea. You normall do not get to set the sample in those low-end YM chips, but you do get to connect and configure the generators | 22:04 |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/npm/Intelligent-Summer-on-analog-modded-dynex+12db.ogg is a good showoff of the sounds | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Some (2608?) do allow some limited waveform generstion, usually used for percussion and sound effects (see Sega Genesis) | 22:05 |
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| RST38h | anyways, me go airplane now bye bye | 22:06 |
| npm | the db60xg lets you DSP the sample | 22:06 |
| gabrbedd | RST38h: Have a great trip! | 22:06 |
| npm | i have yet to figure out how to hook up the input tho | 22:06 |
| npm | RST38h: bon voyage | 22:06 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Sounds liike fun :-) | 22:10 |
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| npm | it's a low quality input. what i wanted to do is drive the i2c directly and likewise pull the i2c digital feed out of their DSP and avoid extra A/D/D/A's | 22:13 |
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| npm | basically it's the same chips as in http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/yamaha_mu10/ | 22:14 |
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| alterego | I think 5 string simutaneous tuning is a bit beyond my capability to be honest ;) | 22:17 |
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| alterego | And the N900s :D | 22:18 |
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| alterego | I just want a reliable tuner implementation. The chord dict will be where most of the work goes. | 22:19 |
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| alterego | I want it to all look really pretty, be responsive etc. | 22:19 |
| alterego | And maybe work on turning it into a mini guitar oriented studio. | 22:19 |
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| alterego | But for the sake of the coding competition, it'll just be a chord dict and a tuner. | 22:19 |
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| alterego | My project ideas has loads of stuff to add in the future, like turning the N900 into a mini effects and amp for electric guitars | 22:20 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Just install the pinetrail kernel and don't worry about it. It'll "do the right thing" and your old kernel won't be overwritten (unless the package names are the same) | 23:00 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: thanks for the reassurance. | 23:10 |
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| npm | so does that '38 kernel include snd_hrtimer ?? | 23:10 |
| npm | and will i be able to choose the kernel i run at boot | 23:12 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Dunno... I usually just compile my own. Yes, you can choose kernel at boot time on an x86 machine. (Hit [TAB] when you get to the extlinux boot loader screen) | 23:16 |
| gabrbedd | What kernel are you currently running? | 23:16 |
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