IRC log of #meego for Monday, 2011-04-04

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* CosmoHill wonders how accurate the family guy "To Love and Die in Dixie" episode is		00:34
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timeless_w7ip	anyone from meego it here/awake?	00:37
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CosmoHill	I'm not to sure I count	00:37
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timeless_w7ip	mxr.meego.com seems down	00:38
timeless_w7ip	i'm wondering if it's a more systemic problem	00:38
CosmoHill	has a bug been submitted	00:38
timeless_w7ip	i'm wondering that	00:39
berndhs	just mxr.meego.com, not repo.. or bugs... or any others from here	00:40
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GeneralAntilles	CosmoHill: not even vaguely.	00:40
GeneralAntilles	CosmoHill: Family Guy shouldn't be taken as an accurate anything.	00:41
GeneralAntilles	Well, except, perhaps, an accurate portrayal of how New England Democrats thing.	00:41
CosmoHill	you mean Adam West?	00:41
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timeless_w7ip	anyone remember where such it bugs belong?	00:41
GeneralAntilles	I mean Seth MacFarlane and the rest of the writers are all raving statists. ;)	00:42
GeneralAntilles	s/thing/think/	00:42
CosmoHill	I saw the 100th episode special where it had actual people in it	00:42
CosmoHill	seems like a right bell end	00:43
berndhs	timeless_w7ip: other than where the link says ? http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Community%20Infrastructure	00:43
timeless_w7ip	berndhs: filing a bug against myself doesn't do me much good :)	00:44
berndhs	i dont know what the issue is, says 502 from here	00:44
timeless_w7ip	the server isn't reachable internally	00:45
berndhs	bad address, bad router, typo in some script,...	00:46
CosmoHill	last time I looked at MXR it told me about the benefits of Internet Explorer 8	00:46
timeless_w7ip	cosmohill: eh?!	00:46
CosmoHill	someone with DNS access wasn't happy about the MS and Nokia deal	00:47
timeless_w7ip	oh	00:47
GeneralAntilles	Wee, guess I wont be sitting in on any live TSG meetings for a while.	00:47
timeless_w7ip	you haven't used mxr in a while	00:47
timeless_w7ip	it's been running @osu hosting for over a month i think	00:48
timeless_w7ip	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7pTSTq_2AAwJ:mxr.meego.com/+site:mxr.meego.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com	00:48
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timeless_w7ip	you can more or less browse everything via google :)	00:48
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CosmoHill	do you guys remember the picture of my phone with the top row of keys missing	00:51
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smoku	Error: For non-Fedora and non-MeeGo systems, run mode must be 1	01:14
smoku	any idea why mic2 does not like --run-mode=0 anymore?	01:14
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lbt	timeless_w7ip: mxr is back ... it had a config file change that clearly hadn't been reboot-tested ... no network.	01:33
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* CosmoHill notices that he's slowly migrating from mac to windows		01:49
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lbt	CosmoHill: I thought you were a linux guy	01:53
CosmoHill	at least you got my gender right	01:54
CosmoHill	someone thought I was a lesbian yesterday	01:54
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lbt	windows user..... close	01:55
CosmoHill	one of the ops in LFS works for MS	01:55
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yourself	What is stopping my N97 mini from running MeeGo?	01:57
lbt	reality	01:57
CosmoHill	(lack of) developers	01:57
w00t_	i'd go with lbt's answer	01:57
GeneralAntilles	More specifically, your bootloader.	01:58
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CosmoHill	developers not being part of reality?	01:58
GeneralAntilles	Besides the fact that it doesn't have a GPU, does it?	01:58
w00t_	if it does, it's very very weak	01:58
w00t_	I don't remember	01:58
GeneralAntilles	It's a 434MHz ARM11, I doubt it.	01:59
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TSCHAKeee	yikes	02:00
TSCHAKeee	and yeah, memory is paltry too	02:00
TSCHAKeee	so there's your answer, besides the bootloader and everything else	02:00
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yourself	Hmm	02:02
yourself	Symbian is no fun	02:02
yourself	And Maemo on the N900 is all I want really... Even know Meego probaby seamlessly works	02:02
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yourself	Ahh, it can import contacts	02:10
yourself	Can other Nokia phones do this?	02:10
lbt	aren't you bored yet?	02:11
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yourself	Bored with?	02:17
yourself	I managed to import contacts, I got 53	02:17
yourself	Most of them empty contacts	02:17
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yourself	I am in the wrong channel	02:20
lbt	which explains why you sound like a troll :)	02:21
lbt	sorry then.	02:21
yourself	lbt: I am sorry, I thougth I was in #maemo. It is usually accepted to ask N900 questions there.	02:21
lbt	.... it's late I'm grumpy .... good luck getting it sorted	02:22
ali1234	symbian can import contacts... but not from n900	02:23
yourself	ali1234: N900 can export them, but I just got a bunch of IM contacts, some empty ones, and a few that worked	02:24
ali1234	actually nearly all phones can do it using bluetooth pim sync which is what symbian does	02:24
ali1234	but n900 doesn't support this	02:25
ali1234	at least it didn't when i first got the n900, which was a long time ago	02:25
ali1234	but hey, when it's brand new is when you need it right? no point adding contact sync 6 months after everyone already did it manually...	02:26
yourself	I am planning on getting by with my phone needs with a N97 Mini and a Nokia N900.	02:27
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berndhs	my neighbors are within 1/4 mile, if I yell real loud my basic phone needs are met	02:31
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CosmoHill	who talks to their neighbours theses days	02:32
berndhs	well, in emergencies one might	02:32
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CosmoHill	hehe	02:33
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CosmoHill	bad time to find out that they don't like you	02:33
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RST38h	Well. Moo.	06:19
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thiago	DawnFoster: ping	06:46
thiago	DawnFoster: when do you arrive in SF?	06:46
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DawnFoster	thiago: I arrive on Tuesday evening and leave Friday morning.	06:58
DawnFoster	you?	06:58
thiago	already here	06:58
thiago	leave Friday evening	06:58
DawnFoster	thiago: cool - I'll probably see you Wed morning at the summit?	07:00
thiago	definitely	07:01
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hyogi	hello	07:56
hyogi	nice to meet you	07:56
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Stskeepz	good morning	07:58
hyogi	good morning	07:58
kyb3R	morning	07:58
hyogi	in fact, good afternoon	07:58
kyb3R	:)	07:58
hyogi	here is korea	07:58
hyogi	:)	07:58
Stskeepz	7am here in denmark, so just waking up to a new day	07:59
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kyb3R	around 8am, Finland	07:59
hyogi	oh.. :)	07:59
kyb3R	slurping coffee	07:59
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Stskeepz	so what brings you here, hyogi?	08:00
hhurtta	mmmmm, coffee	08:00
hyogi	i'm in LGE	08:00
hyogi	in charge of Image creation	08:00
Stskeepz	ah, good to see more people from your company here :)	08:00
hyogi	thank you :)	08:01
hyogi	my english is not good..	08:01
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hyogi	TT	08:01
Stskeepz	it works	08:01
hyogi	plz understand	08:01
hyogi	i want to build for armv7hl in my local OBS	08:02
kyb3R	hyogi: you are doing fine :)	08:02
hyogi	thank you so much :)	08:02
hyogi	so i saw some patch	08:02
hyogi	http://old.nabble.com/-Patch--RFC--armv7hl-scheduler-support-p30690935.html	08:02
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hyogi	here	08:03
hyogi	some directory and filename is a little different..	08:03
hyogi	but, i found similar files and applied this patch manually	08:05
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hyogi	so, i can see armv7hl build option.	08:06
Stskeepz	hyogi: latest mic git should support armv7hl fine, just need --run-mode=1	08:07
Stskeepz	you can ask in #meego-arm about these questions, most people are in there	08:07
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hyogi	i'm talking about src.rpm build for armv7hl.	08:08
hyogi	oh. meego-arm	08:08
hyogi	thank you very much!!	08:08
Stskeepz	ahh.. OBS?	08:08
hyogi	:)	08:08
hyogi	yes	08:08
hyogi	OBS	08:08
Stskeepz	ah, just enable armv8el scheduler name insteadd	08:08
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Stskeepz	that is what we usde	08:09
Stskeepz	use	08:09
hyogi	for armv7hl?	08:09
Stskeepz	yes	08:09
hyogi	thank you i'll try this	08:09
Stskeepz	scheduler names doesnt mean anything really in practice, is just how to seperate binaries	08:10
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hyogi	frankly, i'm a beginner.... TT	08:13
Stskeepz	hehe, we all start as amateurs :)	08:14
hyogi	i have to study a lot of thing..	08:14
TSCHAKeee	is armv7hl armv7 with hardware floating point?	08:14
Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: float-abi=hard	08:14
TSCHAKeee	goootcha	08:14
hyogi	then i'll ask you question :)	08:14
hyogi	see you	08:15
TSCHAKeee	o_O	08:15
Stskeepz	good luck :)	08:15
Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: massive perf improvement as we dont have to pass float values in int registers	08:15
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Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: when calling procedures	08:16
TSCHAKeee	yup i understand	08:16
dm8tbr	massive 5% or do we have really more?	08:16
TSCHAKeee	and armv8?	08:16
Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: just a name	08:16
TSCHAKeee	ohhkay	08:16
Stskeepz	dm8tbr: it's definately felt	08:16
TSCHAKeee	;)	08:17
* TSCHAKeee considers selling his Archos9 towards an eXoPC		08:17
dm8tbr	TSCHAKeee: buy an archos101!	08:17
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TSCHAKeee	dm8tbr: i need a fast pinetrail tablet to do tablet UX research on	08:18
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TSCHAKeee	and the Archos 9 GMA500 and mcompositor DO NOT GET ALONG.	08:18
TSCHAKeee	which is driving me batty	08:18
dm8tbr	yes a9 is SGX	08:18
Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: i still find that a bit weird, need to try it on my joggler	08:18
TSCHAKeee	one sec	08:19
Stskeepz	dm8tbr: but anyway the armv7hl stuff is also inventive cos we have rpm subarchs and so on :P	08:19
TSCHAKeee	oh yeah, i need to get vgrade the ks	08:19
TSCHAKeee	Stskeepz: yes, please try	08:19
TSCHAKeee	pleeeease	08:19
TSCHAKeee	my soul got crushed after all that work of trying to get tablet UX to run	08:19
TSCHAKeee	only to see the screen FLICKER LIKE MAD any time an app came on screen	08:20
TSCHAKeee	flicker btw image and black	08:20
Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: mtf or qml?	08:20
TSCHAKeee	both it seems... and xterm was bleeding through	08:20
TSCHAKeee	xterm would show up invisible	08:20
TSCHAKeee	until i started typing	08:20
TSCHAKeee	and then you would see a trail of white text	08:20
TSCHAKeee	i'm guessing massive openGL context snafus	08:21
dm8tbr	TSCHAKeee: you're not coming to the MeeGoFI summit by chance?	08:21
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TSCHAKeee	dm8tbr: depends on how badly Uncle Sam decides to ass rape me. ;)	08:21
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Stskeepz	TSCHAKeee: flickering happened on n900 too btw	08:22
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TSCHAKeee	yeah i remember	08:22
TSCHAKeee	but this was bad, completely unusable	08:23
TSCHAKeee	and I _KNOW_ ....	08:23
TSCHAKeee	that the GMA500 can handle openGL and compositing	08:23
TSCHAKeee	because our UI2 Orbiter ran on it, completely	08:23
TSCHAKeee	Stskeepz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNdwD9mMHk <-- using our orbiter, with XFCE4 as window and compositing manager	08:24
hyogi	sorry Stskeepz....	08:24
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hyogi	i made OBS system in my local PC	08:25
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hyogi	but i can't find armv8el build target option in Repository menu	08:25
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hyogi	eventually, same question... TT	08:27
Stskeepz	hyogi: need to enable it in /etc/sysconfig/obs-server	08:27
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hyogi	how can i apply armv7hl scheduler?	08:27
hyogi	or.. where can i find some guide about this problem...?	08:28
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hyogi	ok	08:29
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TSCHAKeee	vgrade: http://tschak.homelinux.com/tablet-archos9.ks <-- for you to test tablet UX on the archos9.. hopefully you'll see what I mean	08:31
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Stskeepz	hyogi: find where it says i586 armv7el and add armv8el	08:55
hyogi	yes i added armv8el	08:57
Stskeepz	and restart obs	08:57
hyogi	ok	08:58
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hyogi	but i think i have to modify some file for webui	08:58
hyogi	a kind of /srv/www/obs/webui/config/options.yml	08:58
Stskeepz	there and meta prj, possibly	08:59
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hyogi	visible_architectures: [ "i586", "x86...... and add "armv8el ]	09:00
hyogi	ah..	09:00
hyogi	i need more study..	09:01
dm8tbr	TSCHAKeee: I've forwarded the URL to Bubu, he did the previous work on the a9, I guess he'll be interested to try it	09:01
hyogi	:}	09:01
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hyogi	i'll try everything for armv7hl then tell you	09:02
hyogi	thank you Stskeepz :)	09:02
hyogi	ah.. i'm a igo's best friend	09:02
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vgrade	hyogi. morning	09:12
vgrade	TSCHakeee im onmy travels withoutmy joggler. willbebackin 2 weeks. sry	09:14
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hyogi	vgrade good morning :)	09:31
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Venemo_N900	good morning meegoists!	09:50
jnwi	Good morning to you too!	09:51
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Venemo_N900	I'm thinking about what I should code for the coding competition	09:52
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saidinesh5	pohly: == patrick right? ping	10:39
pohly	saidinesh5: right. Hello Said.	10:39
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saidinesh5	Hi Patrick	10:39
saidinesh5	basically, the patches i sent you.. i had to leave out	10:40
saidinesh5	certain commits	10:40
saidinesh5	which were because of a git merge that i have commited	10:40
saidinesh5	so basically i took all the patches i sent you, I have applied to the main syncevolution's akonadi branch and rebased it	10:40
saidinesh5	and fixed the merge conflicts and thats what the log is from	10:41
saidinesh5	i mean git log	10:41
pohly	So the latest code is http://meego.gitorious.org/~saidinesh5/meego-middleware/saidinesh5-syncevolution/commits/akonadi ?	10:42
pohly	And that is what you want to have merged?	10:43
saidinesh5	yes, but it contains some git merges in between	10:43
lbt	morning all	10:43
saidinesh5	which you probably don't want	10:43
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pohly	Right.	10:43
pohly	What I would prefer is that branch a) rebased onto current master b) cleaned up.	10:43
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saidinesh5	although i have a completely rebased akonadi branch with the latest patches with me, without the merges	10:44
saidinesh5	(thats what i sent to you in the git log)	10:44
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pohly	I can't merge a git log ;-)	10:44
saidinesh5	noo i mean if you look at the patches and confirm them, i can send individal commits' patches	10:44
pohly	That second branch seems much more useful for merging. Please push it under a different name - "akonadi-merge"?	10:44
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pohly	Let's use gitorious instead of sending via the mailing list.	10:45
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pohly	I can pull and cherry-pick.	10:45
saidinesh5	ohh okay, i guess that should do	10:45
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saidinesh5	basically you might have some merge conflicts, which mostly are trivial to resolve	10:46
saidinesh5	especially when rebasing...	10:46
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pohly	saidinesh5: such a rebased would have any conflicts once I get to see it. You would have to resolve these conflicts while rebasing.	11:04
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saidinesh5	oh well basically I have resolved the merge conflicts	11:10
saidinesh5	and	11:10
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saidinesh5	and the "akonadi-merge" branch	11:10
saidinesh5	is reabsed to current master	11:10
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saidinesh5	just a moment lemme push out these changes	11:12
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Stskeeps	thiago: ping	11:36
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saidinesh5	pohly: Done ... my net seems to be bad, so cloning it and checking it out seems to take time	11:56
saidinesh5	akonadi-merge branch	11:56
saidinesh5	in my gitorious clone	11:56
pohly	saidinesh5: thanks - will look as soon as possible.	11:56
saidinesh5	sure :)	11:57
saidinesh5	btw. what is the timeline for 1.2?	11:57
pohly	I'd like to release a feature-complete 1.1.99.4 this or next week, then start stabilizing it. Not sure yet how realistic that is.	11:58
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saidinesh5	hmm..... feature complete includes akonadi branch too?	11:59
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andreizro	hey all. Anybody else has problems connecting to build.meego.com ?	12:16
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Termana	morning	12:18
lbt	andreizro: unannounced outage	12:19
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andreizro	lbt: thanks. Any idea how long it will take?	12:23
lbt	andreizro: well the official communication is ""	12:24
* lbt tries really hard to refrain from adding "as usual" and fails		12:24
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andreizro	:) thanks	12:25
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Termana	Welcome back everyone :p	12:56
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amjad	hello	13:07
amjad	any one alive here	13:07
bunk	no	13:08
dm8tbr	yes, the other 480 people here are all dead	13:08
dm8tbr	we just don't know yet	13:09
amjad	:)	13:09
iekku	:o	13:09
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amjad	so now meego got smart tv working group :)	13:12
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mikhas_	I know it's a bit too early to ask, but when will MeeGo 1.3 go into feature freeze? after SF conference?	13:44
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lbt	http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Timeline	13:46
jukkaeklund	so planning phase ended just..	13:47
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jukkaeklund	looks like Core is at least populated and some SDK also: https://bugs.meego.com/report.cgi?x_axis_field=product&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=MeeGo+Features&version=1.3&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&deadlinefrom=&deadlineto=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailty	13:49
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achipa	anybody familiar with the state of backup in 1.2 ?	14:55
achipa	(i.e. th B... thingy that was talked about at the conference)	14:56
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jay4	hello is anyone running apache php on meego ? can anyone help?	15:18
jay4	i have meego 1.1 on netbook	15:18
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jay4	any other web server?	15:22
jay4	any one?	15:22
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jay4	ok bye	15:24
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thiago	Stskeeps: pong	15:27
Stskeeps	thiago: nm, sent it on mail instead	15:28
Stskeeps	(re cfp page's dates)	15:28
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timeless_w7ip	lbt / x-fade : ping	15:30
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ericlr	timeless_w7ip: hmm, are you sure?	15:31
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timeless_w7ip	yes	15:34
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timeless_w7ip	ericlr: are you using firefox?	15:35
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timeless_w7ip	if so, load about:config and toggle security.OCSP.require	15:36
timeless_w7ip	then try loading bugs.meego.com	15:36
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lbt	timeless_w7ip: file a security bug with Ryan/Pierce	15:40
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lbt	cc me	15:40
* timeless_w7ip grumbles		15:41
lbt	and adam and mike shaver and max and stefano	15:41
lbt	and niels	15:41
* timeless_w7ip wants someone to confirm that it's broken		15:41
timeless_w7ip	(for this definition of broken)	15:41
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timeless_w7ip	i'll file it if someone confirms the failure	15:41
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lbt	timeless_w7ip: WFM	15:43
lbt	does security.OCSP.require need a browser reboot	15:44
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dm8tbr	timeless_w7ip: I had problems with wget today complaining, broke my mozbot ( MeeGoBot )	15:46
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timeless_w7ip	lbt: i suspect it does	15:49
dm8tbr	can't reproduce on a Fx4 in either state of OCSP.require, restarted it too	15:50
timeless_w7ip	but i really don't know :(	15:50
timeless_w7ip	dm8tbr: ok	15:50
timeless_w7ip	it's possible the server was temporarily down	15:50
timeless_w7ip	good to hear that the network infrastructure was generally down instead of just for my services :)	15:50
lbt	http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.security/browse_thread/thread/9f51be376f874d50	15:51
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lbt	explains why OCSP is defaulted to off	15:51
lbt	it's dumb	15:51
ar	obsessive compulsive service processor?	15:53
ar	oh, you're not talking about nagios, are you?	15:53
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timeless_w7ip	ar: i'm also complaining about nagios	15:55
timeless_w7ip	afaict nagios didn't notify anyone that mxr was unhappy for a bunch of days	15:55
timeless_w7ip	but no, we're complaining about CAs sucking in another way	15:55
lbt	nagios is .... not quite there yet	15:56
timeless_w7ip	lbt: ... is not quite at the point of usefully nagging about meego services?	15:57
timeless_w7ip	or to the point of sucking in some more generic way? :)	15:57
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lbt	nagios per se sucks in many ways	16:00
lbt	our deployment does too	16:01
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smoku	X-Fade, do you know what is the issue with supporting building MeeGo images on openSUSE 11.4 ?	16:42
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lbt	timeless_w7ip: nagios is on my todo list	17:09
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ScriptRipper	ping fabo	17:49
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TomaszD	does anyone know if it's possible to resize a compressed btrfs volume?	17:49
TomaszD	I'm having terrible issues trying to resize it	17:49
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lorp	hi lbt	17:55
lorp	could you please enable my account to get access to the obs system?	17:56
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lbt	lorp: OK - this is for opensource apps? in the community OBS?	17:58
lbt	account?	17:58
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dneary	hi	18:00
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dneary	Anyone know if the plain-text IRC logs on mg.pov.lt are linked anywhere?	18:00
lorp	lorenzopolidori	18:00
dneary	I can only find links to the HTML logs	18:00
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lorp	that's for open source yes	18:01
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dneary	lbt, Can I confirm a half-day OBS tutorial for you, please? I'm thinking of putting you on Saturday afternoon, but I could do Sunday morning	18:02
dneary	Sunday morning you'll be opposite a "getting started with MeeGo SDK"	18:02
dneary	tutorial	18:02
lorp	lbt, actually I would like to play with modifying and debugging some middleware packages, specifically the audio manager. Is the community OBS ok for that?	18:04
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slaine	So is the 1.2 tablet developer release nolonger supported on the Lenovo S10-t3's ?	18:06
gabrbedd	slaine: Why do you ask?	18:07
gabrbedd	i.e. what isn't working?	18:07
slaine	Supported hardware lists only the ExoPC	18:07
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Stskeeps	slaine: worked for me	18:09
slaine	meego touch guidelines also talk about 1366x768 resolutions (those ideapads are 1024x600)	18:09
slaine	Stskeeps:	18:09
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slaine	cool, I'll check it out later I guess	18:09
gabrbedd	slaine: Well, the broacom wifi has never been supported... so I'm not sure how it could ever be on the list.	18:09
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slaine	true	18:09
gabrbedd	slaine: BTW, did you get the driver working with 2.6.37?	18:09
slaine	I did, but I didn't want to post details as it involved lying to the kernel and claiming the broadcom driver was a GPL driver	18:09
slaine	Haven't tried again with any of the later kernel releases	18:09
slaine	I'll rephrase that	18:11
slaine	I haven't tried again with any of the later 1.2 pre-releases	18:11
slaine	(very tired)	18:11
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Stskeeps	slaine: supposedly the wlan stuff works in later kernels	18:11
slaine	It's working for my dell mini 9 on Fedora 15 Alpha + updates	18:11
gabrbedd	slaine: Tired? You just got back from vacation! :-p	18:11
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slaine	gabrbedd: if only that was true, i'd a week off work, but it wasn't a fun week (granmother died)	18:12
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gabrbedd	slaine: Ah, I'm very sorry, then.	18:12
slaine	gabrbedd: no worries, I haven't really mentioned it, you wheren't to know	18:12
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gabrbedd	slaine: Well yes, but I'm also sorry that you lost your grandmother. You have my sympathy.	18:13
slaine	gabrbedd: ah right, sorry, mis-parsed. Thanks man	18:13
gabrbedd	slaine: Back to the driver... was it really just the Lockdep RCU that was blocking?	18:14
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slaine	gabrbedd: yeah, worked fine for me after I changed 3 things	18:14
slaine	1 and 2 being the lock realted changes needed and 3 being the license	18:14
slaine	I was disappointed in the lack of progression of the netbook ux then and didn't keep it around	18:15
gabrbedd	slaine: Yeah, 1.1.90 has been rough all around IMHO.	18:16
gabrbedd	BTW, I have the "GPL Lie" patch in my own private wl-mod package, too.	18:16
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slaine	2.6.38 seems to have better b43 modules and firmware support, assuming F15 Alpha is using that and it wasn't something I did noodling around (like copying on firmwares)	18:18
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slaine	Ironically, I was one of the few that got an ideapad with the Atheros WiFi	18:19
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gabrbedd	slaine: thank you!	18:24
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slaine	gabrbedd: is the GPL Lie patch still needed in the latest 1.1.9x builds ?	18:26
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gabrbedd	slaine: I dunno, I use a custom kernel and started doing more work on a different device. So I'm not sure how the main meego kernel is configured ATM.	18:26
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slaine	I'll give it a blast later in the week	18:26
slaine	see if I can get a 1.2 page up and ready for the release	18:26
slaine	I'd rather not have to detail lying to the kernel	18:26
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gabrbedd	slaine: Please _don't_ detail lying to the kernel. :-) I've taken the same policy... only vaguely hinting in public that it has to be done, but now how.	18:30
slaine	:nod:	18:30
gabrbedd	slaine: However, I think when the 1.2 kernel goes stable, they usually remove lockdep RCU	18:31
gabrbedd	At least, that's what they've done in the past.	18:31
slaine	It should be stable now. I'll find out soon I guess :)	18:31
gabrbedd	:-)	18:31
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slaine	dneary: Has the TSG lineup changed ?	18:49
slaine	Or DawnFoster for that matter ?	18:49
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slaine	Not has DawnFoster changed, lol	18:49
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lbt	lorp: yes - as long as it's open source it's fine	18:50
lbt	dneary: sat pm is good	18:50
gabrbedd	slaine: At last TSG meeting the issue was skirted, but seemed to be affirmative that Imad was it and that Nokia would be nominating a replacement for Valhalla	18:51
lorp	lbt: thanks. When will my account be ready to use the OBS?	18:52
lbt	looks like it was already there	18:52
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lorp	really? I tried to login on build.pub.meego.com but I got a login failure	18:53
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lorp	is the OBS password the same as the meego.com one?	18:54
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lorp	lbt: tried again, I can login on meego.com but I can't on build.pub.meego.com	18:59
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lbt	ok ... sec	19:02
lbt	try now	19:03
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lbt	lorp: ?	19:06
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lbt	lorp...	19:06
lbt	I'm kinda busy ....	19:06
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lorp	sorry, tried again, but it still doesn't work	19:08
lorp	I am using the same username/password as for meego.com	19:08
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lbt	lorp: when did you last change your meego.com passwd	19:25
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lorp	today, I forgot the old one....	19:40
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lbt	ok looks like pw sync broke	19:43
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rainisto	I just hate this rpm .spec files, still havent seen a good tutorial for meego, life was so much easier in debian world.	19:54
amjad	i like rpm , cuz i was in fedora/centos world all my life	19:54
Stskeeps	i converted from debian using spectacle, nowadays i actually prefer yaml + spec	19:54
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slonopotamus	rainisto: they both look a complete mess compared to ebuild format :)	19:57
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rainisto	well Im trying to figure out easy way to make rpm package out of my qtquick project, and just banging head to the wall	19:59
lbt	rainisto: spec is easy to write and impossible to read :)	19:59
gabrbedd	rainisto: I converted from deb to rpm for MeeGo, and now I prefer RPM. Feature #1 -- no .diff.gz BS.	19:59
gabrbedd	patching is built in.	19:59
lbt	anything goes and you can throw shell in there if you feel like it	19:59
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lbt	it's kinda like perl.... the only thing that can parse .spec is ....	20:00
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rainisto	well yes, it has good features, but working .spec file is pain to write, ie everything works fine in qt creator, qmake; make and I can run the binary, but now that Im trying to make .spec and .rpm it just fails :)	20:00
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rainisto	ie tar.gz and create .spec and then trying to locally build with sudo build and ends up in failure after failure	20:02
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gabrbedd	rainisto: And the error message is.... ??	20:02
lbt	Stskeeps: one thing I'd like about yaml is that it's parsable..... but of course that's optional	20:02
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lorpol	lbt: when do you think I can use the OBS system with my new password?	20:02
lbt	lorpol: writing a new import now	20:02
gabrbedd	lorpol: When your old password stops working is my guess.	20:02
rainisto	gabrdedd, well if unpacks .tar.gz in wrong places etc and fails :)	20:03
gabrbedd	:-)	20:03
lorpol	ok thanks	20:03
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gabrbedd	rainisto: When you unpack the tar... what's the folder name that the tarfile gives?	20:04
gabrbedd	rpmbuild is expecting it to be ${name}-${version}/	20:04
rainisto	ah, that might be the reason then	20:05
gabrbedd	If it's different, then you have to override what the build folder name is.	20:06
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lbt	sudo build?	20:08
lbt	you shouldn't be doing that	20:08
gabrbedd	lbt: eh. one thing at a time. :-)	20:09
lbt	mmm	20:09
lbt	that's the first thing :)	20:09
* lbt things developers should have their paycheques routed through their code somehow...		20:10
lbt	s/g/k/	20:10
infobot	lbt meant: that's the first think :)	20:10
lbt	no, not really infobot	20:10
wmarone-n900	infobot++	20:10
gabrbedd	hahaha :-)	20:10
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rainisto	lbt: well http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial is saying sudo build in instructions :)	20:12
lbt	yeah ... isn't SDK by/for windows users .... ?	20:12
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lbt	but thanks... that is, IMHO, a bug	20:13
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lbt	gabrbedd: am I right here? sudo build is just wrong?	20:14
gabrbedd	lbt: rainisto I can't be sure... but I think that has to do with building packages in a clean chroot.	20:14
gabrbedd	does build == rpmbuild ??	20:14
* gabrbedd never used `build`		20:14
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lbt	build is the script used by the obs... I thought it was rpmbuild	20:14
* lbt will double check		20:15
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gabrbedd	i dunno... anyway, rainisto -- what you want to do is put your sources in ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES and your specs in ~/rpmbuild/SPECS	20:15
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rainisto	sudo build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.8.20110322.2/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 foobar.spec was what I was using to build outside chroot or obs, now it upacks and run qmake make just fine	20:16
gabrbedd	rainisto: Then `rpmbuild -ba ~/rpmbuild/SPECS/myfoo.spec`	20:16
gabrbedd	No need to sudo or root or anything.	20:16
gabrbedd	No need for fakeroot, either.	20:16
TSCHAKeee	vgrade: dunno if you saw, but i posted a link to my archos9 tablet ks	20:16
lbt	mmm I think I'm wrong .... if that's the OBS build then it invokes su - abuild	20:16
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lbt	and it needs root to make chroots (and more).... I didn't realise it was supposed to be invoked as part of a normal workflow.	20:19
rainisto	gabrdedd: rpmbuild just fails, I think that I need that sudo build, since buildmachine is x64, and Im targeting ia32,	20:19
gabrbedd	lbt: FWIW, when I'm working in my chroot, I have to build packages as root also.	20:19
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rainisto	anyways sudo build almost succeeds, if fails on make install with mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/share': Permission denied	20:20
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gabrbedd	but inside a device or a virtual environment (e.g. qemu) you can build as a normal user.	20:21
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gabrbedd	rainisto: I guess go ahead and do the `sudo build` -- I just don't know what it is.	20:23
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CosmoHill	rpmbuild should not be installing anything outside of RPM_BUILD_ROOT	20:23
lbt	DESTDIR ?	20:23
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CosmoHill	rainisto: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=openmpi.spec&package=openmpi&project=home%3Acosmo&srcmd5=9081d8cbcd9e125c09f96fcb0450ba98	20:23
CosmoHill	this is my rpm that builds :)	20:23
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gabrbedd	rainisto: Your `make install` target needs to support the DESTDIR and PREFIX conventions.	20:23
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CosmoHill	this is the main reason for not using sudo	20:23
CosmoHill	rpmbuild ends up installing directly onto your hard drive instead of making a package	20:24
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rainisto	ah, qmake honors INSTALL_ROOT, now sudo build almost succeeds, make install etc, now only getting Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:, But if I remember right that can be turned out in spec file somehow	20:38
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rainisto	atleast should be trivial to clean	20:38
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gabrbedd	rainisto: Yes, after you install rpmbuild checks to see if you installed something that didn't appear in your `%files` section.	20:43
rainisto	%define _unpackaged_files_terminate_build 0	20:43
rainisto	easy fix	20:43
gabrbedd	rainisto: If it finds something, it flags an error. You then check to see if it's /supposed/ to be there... and if so then add it to the %files stuff.	20:43
gabrbedd	rainisto: No. Don't do that.	20:43
rainisto	as they shouldnt be in there, qmake make install just adds some files that are not needed	20:44
gabrbedd	Add the files to your %files section, or else don't install them.	20:45
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rainisto	but qmake autogenerates Makefile which installs them, would be to much of a hassle to sed the generated Makefile between qmake and make install	20:49
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lbt	lorpol: try now	20:54
lbt	and synx should now occur every 10mins (same datacenter now)	20:54
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gabrbedd	rainisto: qmake /should/ only try to install them if they're in your .pro file.	20:58
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rainisto	well yes, they are in .pro file during development, as I pack them to .qrc when deploying, (qml files), and during development it easier not to use qrc, and you need to do make clean on every change, where as you can just change qml and rerun	21:02
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rainisto	but anyways, thanks for the help, now sudo build makes rpm file, and if I run the same spec file on meego device with rpmbuild, it also generates the rpmfile, although slower :)	21:03
rainisto	oh, Im wondering that if my app has an icon, should I add icon-cache update stuff on %post like:	21:07
rainisto	%post	21:07
rainisto	/bin/touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor \|\| :	21:07
rainisto	%{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor 2> /dev/null\|\| :	21:07
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gabrbedd	rainisto: I've just been doing a direct path to the icon for my apps.	21:11
CosmoHill	I don't think calling a program from the absolute path is a good idea	21:11
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gabrbedd	CosmoHill: I was talking about the Icon entry.	21:12
gabrbedd	CosmoHill: But if you're a "meego compliant app" you have no choice... you need the full path to /opt/foo/bar/baz	21:13
gabrbedd	...for the Exec entry	21:14
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CosmoHill	I was just refering to things like "touch"	21:17
rainisto	ah, well that one was copied from some build.meego.com .spec file :)	21:17
gabrbedd	CosmoHill: Ah! Trou.	21:19
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rainisto	and now that Im browsing more build.meego.com .spec files, it seems that /bin/touch is widely used in there for applications that have visible icon, so if its good enough to @intel.com people... :)	21:22
* CosmoHill makes a note to move touch in meego 1.3 just to screw with people		21:24
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dneary	I'm trying to download files that start with # with wget, and having issues	23:01
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gabrbedd	dneary: Try substituting %23	23:02
dneary	If I put # in the filename on the command line, it downloads index.html#...	23:02
dneary	And if I put %23 it gives me a 404	23:02
dneary	gabrbedd, Ahead of you :)	23:02
gabrbedd	:-)	23:03
berndhs	that's not wget though, that's the server more likely ?	23:03
w00t_	tried quoting it?	23:03
gabrbedd	Can you give an example?	23:03
gabrbedd	example URL that is.	23:03
dneary	http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/#meego.2011-03-25.log	23:03
dneary	w00t_, Yes	23:04
dneary	The quoting escapes it in the shell, but wget still parses it	23:04
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berndhs	try curl	23:05
berndhs	actually I take that back, here wget downloads it abd curl doesn't	23:06
w00t_	worked fine for me	23:07
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gabrbedd	wget http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/\#meego.2011-03-25.log	23:07
gabrbedd	WORKSFORME	23:07
gabrbedd	:-p	23:07
gabrbedd	Note the \#	23:07
dneary	That downloads index.html for me	23:07
berndhs	dneary: yes and index.html contains the same as the web page	23:08
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w00t_	actually, no	23:08
w00t_	neither of those work	23:08
berndhs	works here, wget gets the list that I see in the browser	23:09
dneary	berndhs, index.html doesn't contain the same thing as the plain text IRC log at http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/#meego.2011-03-25.log	23:09
dneary	Works fine in Firefox	23:09
berndhs	dneary: it does look the same here	23:09
w00t_	they both download the index, not the right thing	23:09
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gabrbedd	\%23 and %23 pulled the log for me.	23:09
gabrbedd	Yes, \# got the index.	23:09
dneary	The head of the file looks like this for me:	23:10
dneary	2011-03-25T00:00:03 <vgrade> lcuk, I thought it was interesting in light of, http://twitter.com/#!/Arubin/status/27808662429	23:10
dneary	2011-03-25T00:02:50 <lcuk> vgrade, what is the repo command set in use there?	23:10
gabrbedd	so... that one didn't work for me :-)	23:10
dneary	gabrbedd, So... wget with %23?	23:10
dneary	or curl with %23?	23:10
berndhs	i get the same index in firefox and in wget	23:10
berndhs	list of dates	23:11
dneary	berndhs, So you don't get the log file	23:11
berndhs	no	23:11
dneary	Click on the link to 2011-03-25 it'll bring you to a file called #meego.2011-03-25.log.html	23:12
dneary	Delete the .html and you get the plain text log	23:12
dneary	That's the file I want	23:12
gabrbedd	Right... but \%23 and %23 downloaded the log file for me.	23:12
gabrbedd	berndhs: index.html was different from the actual IRC log for me when using \#	23:12
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berndhs	maybe if you precent-encode the %23	23:14
gabrbedd	wget with %23 worked for me.	23:14
dneary	gabrbedd, What version?	23:14
dneary	Gives me a 404	23:14
gabrbedd	1.11.4	23:14
dneary	1.12 here	23:15
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berndhs	if I tell wget ...\%23meego... I get the formatted lines of irc posts	23:16
gabrbedd	dneary: What if you try to DL the index.html file instead? Still 404?	23:18
Stskeeps	dneary: dashboard irc?	23:18
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lbt	the # is not part of the url	23:21
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lbt	in the original url	23:22
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dneary	Stskeeps, Yes	23:24
dneary	gabrbedd, index.html works fine	23:24
dneary	It worked with single quotes & %23	23:24
gabrbedd	dneary: Actually, for me using google chrome... the # didn't work. I had to use %23	23:26
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gabrbedd	Using # got me the index.	23:27
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berndhs	usuall stuff after # is a "reference' or "fragment", gives a locatin within the file	23:28
dneary	gabrbedd, In URLs, in the browser, you need %23, indeed	23:28
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CosmoHill	taken me ages to find out I needed {} and not ()	23:32
gabrbedd	CosmoHill: .spec file?	23:32
CosmoHill	matlab	23:32
CosmoHill	very pleased with myself tho	23:32
Bostik	ah, syntax terror	23:32
CosmoHill	managed to turn a 80 line tutorial into a 10 line functions that takes any images you give it and returns an average	23:33
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dneary	CosmoHill, For an array?	23:50
CosmoHill	yeah	23:50
Stskeeps	dneary: i've got on my list to centralize logging on the meego infra with a supybot	23:50
dneary	Stskeeps, I just got supybot support added to superseriousstats	23:51
dneary	Stskeeps, And it'd be really nice to have links to the raw text log files instead of having to generate them from the HTMLised files	23:52
Stskeeps	dneary: we have an irc vm to populate so :P (1.2 just keeps on pushing things in front..)	23:52
dneary	And a link to the most recent text file too :)	23:52
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Stskeeps	interesting	23:53
* CosmoHill spots the line "mask = mask;"		23:53
Stskeeps	dneary: yeah, for my irc stats i use merbot's	23:53
dneary	Stskeeps, When it's done, it should be as starightforward as changing a URL in a script run daily in cron	23:53
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Stskeeps	dneary: http://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego/	23:55
Stskeeps	(irssi format, i think..)	23:57
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dneary	Stskeeps, Not exactly, I think	23:57

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