IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-04-03

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TSCHAKeeevgrade: i have an archos9 tablet ks for you02:40
TSCHAKeeevgrade: problem is, the moment a meegotouch app shows up on screen, the screen flickers like MAD02:40
TSCHAKeeeit's acting like mcompositor is pissed off about something.02:41
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TSCHAKeeevgrade: damn, i just felt my soul being crushed..... am worried that the compositor issue may not be resolvable :/03:06
w00t_what's the problem?03:07
TSCHAKeeew00t_: any time that something other than the tablet UX's panels are on screen, the screen flickers madly to black03:08
TSCHAKeeeit literally looks like a compositor snafu03:08
TSCHAKeeesometimes it will stop with a stable image03:09
w00t_what application(s) are you trying03:09
TSCHAKeeesometimes it stops black03:09
TSCHAKeeeeverything03:09
TSCHAKeeesettings, photos, web browser03:09
w00t_that isn't really informative, I have no idea what ux you're playing with given you're talking about meegotouch03:09
TSCHAKeeeterminal goes invisible until i start typing03:09
TSCHAKeeew00t_: Tablet UX03:09
TSCHAKeeelatest in trunk03:09
TSCHAKeeeand as i type, the terminal text bleeds through03:10
TSCHAKeeelike i said, its like mcompositor and emgd are not playing nice03:10
w00t_ok, it doesn't involve meegotouch, hence my confusion.. what happens when you run them from a terminal?03:10
w00t_i'm guessing you will probably get errors about GL contexts03:10
TSCHAKeeeyes, thats probably what's happening03:10
TSCHAKeeei do not have an ssh in, because i have no network yet03:10
TSCHAKeeeI am using the Intel EMGD... build 189303:11
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TSCHAKeeeGMA500, US15W chipset... I know that EMGD can do compositing, because I've used several different compositors03:11
TSCHAKeeeincluding our own Orbiter03:11
TSCHAKeee(our OrbiterGL does both compositing and OpenGL)03:12
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zakkkkmmeego works with GMA 500?03:14
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TSCHAKeeezakkkkm: i am putting together specific kickstarts for my hardware03:18
TSCHAKeeebut it is not for mere mortals03:18
zakkkkmI am LPI certified, and do work in IT?03:19
zakkkkmI have a acer aspire 0751h i would love to have meego.03:19
zakkkkmI was going to actually attempt to sell it, and buy a new netbook03:19
TSCHAKeeegood for you03:20
TSCHAKeee;)03:20
zakkkkmaha, i dont mean like that. I just would really like to try it if i can.03:20
TSCHAKeeezakkkkm: you will have to make (1) a custom kernel adaptation for your system, with EMGD patches, (2) make a kickstart which has that and the emgd-bin package as part of its install... you'll also need to make sure that it chmod +s /usr/bin/Xorg as part of the postinstall.03:21
TSCHAKeeezakkkkm: then you can assemble your own image with mic-image-creator03:22
TSCHAKeeethe devices that I have (Joggler and Archos 9), have stuff for touch screens and specific hardware quirks (each has their own kernel adaptation)03:22
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vgradeTSCHAKeee, not the best placed to comment now, too mnay beers. post your ke and I'll have a look tomorrow03:44
vgradeks03:44
TSCHAKeeevgrade: ok03:46
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rzr1hi05:02
rzr1i am building some app for meego05:02
rzr1it is working more or less05:02
rzr1but i cant install the rpm i just built05:02
rzr1must it install to /opt .05:03
rzr1?05:03
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rzr1cpio: stat failed - Permission denied05:47
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* Stskeeps yawns08:37
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TSCHAKeeehas anyone made a little bit of C or python that catches connman connected to network events?08:45
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Stskeepsisnt it dbus?08:51
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TSCHAKeeeyeah08:58
TSCHAKeeewas just seeing if someone did a little bit of glue code before I whipped up something myself :)08:58
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thiagoStskeeps: morning09:11
thiagoStskeeps: 94% reviewed. Just need to look into those testing-related submissions and do a second pass.09:12
w00t_o/ thiago09:12
w00t_did you travel safely? :)09:12
thiagoyep09:12
thiagothough the flight crew was mad at me09:12
thiagoI was the last one to board09:12
w00t_hehehe09:12
w00t_late getting to the airport?09:13
thiagono09:13
thiagofrom the lounge to the gate09:13
thiagoI thought the flight was 16:5009:13
Stskeepsthiago: cool09:13
thiagoso I was happily in the lounge at 16:05 when they announced that they would close the flight09:13
thiagoit was departure at 16:1509:13
w00t_oops09:14
Stskeepsthiago: when was it dirk was supposed to be back?09:14
thiagohe said he'd be back Thursday09:15
Stskeepsk09:15
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Hq`will there be certified qt developer exams in the san francisco conference like there was in dublin?09:32
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thiagoHq`: we haven't planned09:42
thiagoHq`: you're looking to get certified?09:42
Hq`thiago: yes... that would've been a good excuse to ask my employer to send me to SF ;)09:44
thiagoI'll ask in the next call09:45
Hq`ok, thanks09:48
Hq`I'll probably have to settle for taking the exam here in finland at some point, though :P09:49
thiagoyou know, you should convince your employer to send you to SF for the conference itself09:50
thiagowe've got a lot of good proposals09:50
miherothere should be instructions how to convince employer atleast a howto:)09:51
thiagostart one on the wiki09:51
Hq`yeah, I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask anyway09:51
Hq`:)09:51
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miheroI'm not good for writing those because I'm strugling to come up good reason to convince employer10:03
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Stskeepslbt, linkpac -C option is interesting11:12
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* lbt looks11:15
cherrot/me cherrot11:15
lbtStskeeps: no .... please no...11:16
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Stskeepslbt, well, isnt the solution, but  'copy' is useful for armv7nhl packages which need to follow the orig pkgs one11:17
lbtyes it solves your immediate problem... but the whole unlabelled changelog entry and the rest of the complexity in vendor numbering11:17
lbt*nod*11:17
lbtI can see it being useful for a transient fork11:17
lbtand until core realise they're not their own customers :)11:17
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Stskeepslbt, i don't like it but my solution ended up with default linkpac behaviour (add) and linking to specific revision (current), and then scripting some tool to make us know when upstream cicount changes11:20
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lbtI need to fix some infra issues - can we get back to the changelog entry thing tomorrow?11:22
Stskeepsso we can pull new changes11:22
Stskeepsok11:22
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rzr1https://www.meego.com/user/login hasnt woke up yet13:26
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timeless_w7ipit's a weekend, let it sleep13:36
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* thiago will go back to sleep13:48
timeless_w7ipgood idea :)13:50
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lbtrzr1: thanks for mentioning it14:00
rzr1you're welcome14:01
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rzr1is OBS open to any members?14:01
dm8tbrcommunity obs is open for open source work14:02
dm8tbrjust poke lbt or x-fade14:02
lbtyes14:03
lbtand *it* is up ;)14:03
rzr1good14:03
rzr1is there a webpage to start ?14:03
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user14:03
dm8tbrhttps://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user ;)14:03
lbt:)14:03
lbtconfirm what you're doing, let me know the account name14:04
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rzr1i think it's rzr14:04
rzr1i plan to build a game i just ported to meego14:05
lbtok - so long as it's opensource14:05
lbtand.. enabled14:05
rzr1gpl2+14:05
rzr1i confirm14:06
* rzr1 is rzr14:06
lbt*nod* ... enabled already :)14:07
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rzr1lbt: thx14:37
rzr1wait i have already some account on suse obs14:38
* lbt has an account on google.com14:38
rzr1and google as an account on your brain :)14:38
rzr1should i use osc and friends like on suse builder ?14:39
lbtyes14:40
lbtinitiall you need the -A option14:40
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lbtthen (provided your .oscrc has no 'default') it will pick up the right obs from the cwd14:41
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achipa"Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in. "14:41
achipa(wiki.meego.com)14:42
achipais it just me or ?14:42
rzr1achipa: not the host is in east japan14:42
achipa(needless to say, I tried loggin in-out, restarting browser, etc)14:42
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lbtachipa: hold on14:59
lbtachipa: mmm .... WFM... sorry15:02
lbttell me more...15:02
achipalbt: hm, still the same for me... trying to edit http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Local_MeeGo_Networks/MeeGo_Network_Finland/MeeGo_Summit_FI_Hosting_Team15:06
rzr1Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized15:06
rzr1:(15:06
achipahang on...15:06
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achipathere is some monkey business going on... I can edit from the main 'edit' tab but if I try to edit sections directly, it gets cooky15:09
lbtooh15:10
lbtyep ... well found that man!15:10
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smokuwhy is my meego installation changing its /etc/localtime to Europe/Helsinki everytime I reboot?15:11
rzr1lbt:   <summary>Unknown user 'rzr' or invalid password</summary>15:11
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rzr1where to set pwd ? on m.org ?15:12
rzr1.com15:12
rzr1err15:12
lbtachipa: cc on this https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15178 if you like15:13
lbtrzr1: where?15:13
rzr1osc ls15:14
rzr1i can paste the log15:14
lbtpastebin - yes15:14
lbtare you using osc -A ?15:14
lbtotherwise it may use suse obs15:14
achipalbt: thx, CCadded15:15
rzr1http://who.is.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku.php/meego#error15:16
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lbtrzr1: OK works here so it's not the server15:18
lbtso your .oscrc file - does that now have an   https://api.pub.meego.com entry ?15:19
lbt(I assume you can login to https://build.pub.meego.com )15:20
rzr1i deleted it15:20
rzr1it was generated on 1st try15:20
lbtso - confirm web page works15:20
rzr1i log/out again15:20
rzr1ok i cant login again15:21
rzr1now it's ok15:22
rzr1password are not sync w/15:22
rzr1well nevermind it ok15:22
lbtah15:22
lbtOK15:22
lbtpassword changes take an hour to sync15:22
lbtor rather, sync on the hour15:23
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lbtwill that be it rzr1?15:23
rzr1no just rzr15:23
rzr1i'll commit in a sec15:23
rzr1thx for your time15:23
lbtOK --- I just parsed your messages....    :)15:24
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CosmoHillbleh18:18
CosmoHillso much marketing crap out there when it comes to home routers18:18
miheroand hype18:18
CosmoHillthere is nothing a regular home user will want from a 300Mb/s 'ultimate' gaming wifi router than a high gain 54g router can't do18:19
miheroi went for a hype with netgear wndr3700, bit of a dissapointment18:19
CosmoHill(ADSL2+ speeds being 24Mb/s)18:19
Bostiknot to mention some pretty broken out-of-the-box, hidden-from-user QoS18:19
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Bostik"net == WoW + www + bittorrent"18:20
miheroand irc18:20
CosmoHillI'm waiting for TP-Link to release a ADSL2+ router with 300Mb/s wifi and gigabit ethernet18:20
CosmoHillI can't understand the point of having wireless N if the backend is only fast ethernet18:21
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GAN900Why do you want a modem/router combo?18:22
miheronot all traffic is going out of your network18:22
GAN900Just buy a standalone router.18:22
CosmoHillGAN900: i duno, it's just the norm for the UK18:22
GAN900That's silly18:23
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GAN900byor18:23
CosmoHillI have been thinking of getting a separate modem incase we change to BT infinity or Virgin Media so we can just plug the new modem into the router18:24
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CosmoHillI also like the idea of being able to install DD-WRT18:26
miheroi like the openwrt bit more18:26
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miherodd-wrt was too easy:)18:27
CosmoHillI think I can install openwrt onto my Netgear DG834G v318:27
CosmoHilltbh I just want a modem that doesn't think -1db is a good noise margin18:27
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BostikI would like to abolish all home DRL router that choke and reboot when uplink speeds exceed 700kB/s (*cough* linksys *cough*)18:29
Bostikfun didn'18:29
Bostikdidn't begin to describe that one18:29
maligordd-wrt is a horrible mess18:29
CosmoHillour router gives us a low noise margin has has a nasty habit of holding onto useless connections, forcing us to reboot it18:29
maligortheir build system is from hell and they use antique tools18:29
CosmoHillsometimes it drops and gets a new one18:29
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maligorand so is the nvram settings store they use on it18:31
CosmoHilldoes open-wrt have a web based gui?18:31
miheroyep18:31
miheroboth have18:31
CosmoHillooo18:31
miherobut it is quite easy to do setup with conffiles18:32
miheroeasier than the old nvram18:32
maligorwell, biggest issue with nvram is if you corrupt it18:33
miheroou, how do you manage to do that?18:35
maligorwell, there are some routers that use the same nvram to store bootloader stuff18:36
maligorbroadcom CFE  I think18:36
maligorif you mess those up, you get a brick18:36
miheroaa18:36
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rzr1any of you run meego on real ARM device that w/ hw 3d ?19:17
rzr1ping me for a test19:17
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rzr1bbl19:21
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CosmoHillI hate it when I'm on a website, click a link to find out more detail / go to the shop and it takes me to the US website19:36
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berndhsI hate it when I type in the address of a US website and it redirects me to my local edition19:41
CosmoHillI don't like it cos I'm trying to find out the price of something19:45
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CosmoHillI mean with Adobe you can change the dollar sign to a pound sign and be very close to the actual price19:45
berndhsyour taxes at work :)19:46
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JaffaAnyone got anything interesting for http://www.mwkn.net/ this week?21:36
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rzrback22:12
rzrany meego ARM users around ?22:12
CosmoHillfront and no22:12
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TSCHAKeeedoes anyone in OBS world have a solution to this unique problem? I am building a package on OBS, and, THIS is happening:22:45
TSCHAKeeeconfig.status: executing depfiles commands22:45
TSCHAKeee+ %make22:45
TSCHAKeee/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.WV9Z1e: line 56: fg: no job control22:45
TSCHAKeeeerror: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.WV9Z1e (%build)22:45
TSCHAKeeei'm stumped.22:45
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TSCHAKeeeoh nm22:47
TSCHAKeeeit's a damned undefined macro22:47
* CosmoHill bounces off walls when he sees the price of a car he wants22:49
berndhsthat cheap eh ?22:49
CosmoHill£450022:50
berndhsthat's very reasonable for a Rolls22:50
CosmoHillLancia Delta :D22:51
berndhsthose fiit in the trunk of a Rolls, right ?22:51
CosmoHillshame people think that if you WRITE EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS people will read it22:51
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GAN900CosmoHill, classic Delta or a new one?23:05
GAN900I'd die for an Evo III23:05
GAN900Can't get them here for less thank $35k, though.23:05
CosmoHillEvo II was the last sold in the UK23:05
CosmoHill£8000 for INTEGRALE 16V23:05
CosmoHillthere's a HF Turbo IE for £5000 wish wikipedia says doesn't exist23:06
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GAN900Hehe23:10
GAN900That is a gorgeous car23:11
GAN900I'd love to get an E30 M3.23:11
GAN900Actually have those in the US, so they're affordable.23:11
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CosmoHillI'd be very interested to see how euro spec cars compare to us spec23:16
CosmoHillI hear your handbrakes are useless23:16
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CosmoHillthere's a 2.0L 4WD from 1989 that looks like a shed23:19
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GAN900Depends on which car.23:24
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GAN900Sometimes the idiotic California regulations get in the way23:24
GAN900The US-spec E36 M3 is only rated for 300hp (as opposed to 330) due to the EPA.23:25
CosmoHillhttp://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201106379367431/sort/priceasc/usedcars/make/lancia/quicksearch/true/page/1/postcode/cm26sg/radius/1501?logcode=p23:25
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GAN900CA-spec Camry's from a few years ago had 7 fewer hp than the rest of the world.23:28
CosmoHillit does seem weird looking at cars that are older than mine or have more mileage23:28
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* CosmoHill offers GAN900 a cheese toasty23:40
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