IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-04-02

DawnFosterhandset is definitely not dead00:00
w00t_the new ux will just replace it :-P00:01
gabrbeddsee???  see???  :-p00:02
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andybleadenDawnFoster, gabrbedd had a look as there were mutterings of no new features so I posted that x page to show there are loads of bug fixes. might be worth waving the flag a little (happy to help) on the forums of what is to come to help people see what is coming00:03
andybleadenDawnFoster, gabrbedd so thanks for the link00:03
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DawnFosterI just like to drop links into irc from time to time00:04
allandrickbrb00:04
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andybleadenDawnFoster, Here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=305300:04
DawnFostercool, thanks!00:05
andybleadenDawnFoster, gabrbedd would it be worth (me or anyone) doing a post near release on the forums with a guide...ie in plain language eg..this pain in the rear etc etc fixed that pain inthe neck ..hidden etc etc..like I said happy to help00:06
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andybleadenDawnFoster, would be cool to have a 10 things that 1.2 has that actually are noticable more than on 1.1 not your usual , slight gremlin that I never noticed but this crashy thing is not (ok maybe not) going to crash any more00:10
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DawnFosterthat might be cool - let's chat about it closer to the 1.2 release?00:11
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andybleadenDawnFoster, more than happy to help.even do a blog thing on 'why I upgraded' right after why I messed it up naturally :)00:19
DawnFoster:)00:19
andybleadenlearn by mistakes.com00:20
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andybleadenDawnFoster, didnotbackup.org00:20
andybleadenDawnFoster, anyway let me know how I can help.my netbook works a treat and would like to keep helping other than where I do now on forums or on my blog00:21
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DawnFosterif you aren't breaking stuff occasionally, then you must not be doing anything interesting :)00:26
alteregoHeh00:27
andybleadenDawnFoster, I ,of course ,deny breaking anything worth not fixing again ;)00:28
* w00t_ broke orientation on the tablet ux recently00:28
andybleadenDawnFoster, I quite enjoy helping noobs out tho00:28
w00t_I don't often break things00:28
w00t_it made me sad00:28
andybleadenw00t_, I ran the tablet ux on my netbook ..that broke EVERYthing00:29
DawnFosterw00t_: yeah, it's less embarrassing when you just break your own installs00:29
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DawnFosterI was tweaking my metrics shell script recently and had a very badly misplaced rm -r in their. Luckily, I'm a bit obsessive about backing up :)00:30
andybleadenDawnFoster, w00t_ cant afford a tablet so thought I would break my netbook with the earlier release of tablet 1.200:30
w00t_hm? I don't need a tablet00:31
w00t_I have it running on my lenovo from dublin00:31
DawnFosteryeah, tablet build works relatively well on the lenovos00:31
andybleadenw00t_, aha you have a 10-3 thingy...mine is 10-2..no touch00:31
w00t_rustylynch: running meego-ux-daemon through valgrind is fun, it's like the same speed as on the n900!00:31
andybleadenw00t_, just pretend00:31
DawnFosterandybleaden: yeah, no touch on the tablet interface makes using it a little challenging :)00:32
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andybleadenw00t_, even did a video on vimeo00:32
w00t_==1680== error: can't open output file '/root/massif.out.1680'00:33
w00t_==1680==        ... so profiling results will be missing.00:33
w00t_nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOooooooooooo00:33
* w00t_ smacks himself00:33
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andybleadenw00t_, DawnFoster meego tablet on a non touch netbook http://vimeo.com/2005443400:35
DawnFosterandybleaden:  works better than I thought it would!00:36
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andybleadenDawnFoster, I tried my best.actually thought it looked really good.reminded me of moblins mid stuff00:37
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andybleadenDawnFoster, only thing that stopped me exploring more was the small touchpad is no replacement for a touch screen00:38
DawnFosteryeah, it's not very user friendly from the little touchpad00:38
* w00t_ watches his poor lenovo try dump a tonne of debug info00:39
w00t_DawnFoster: since we didn't buy these, we don't get in trouble for machine torture, do we? ;p00:39
DawnFosterw00t_: aww, be nice to the computers :)00:39
DawnFosterif you torture them, they'll get you back later00:40
w00t_...00:40
w00t_I think it just did00:40
w00t_it locked up instead of dumping the logs00:40
DawnFosterwell, that's handy00:40
w00t_note to self, shorter tests next time.00:41
andybleadenw00t_, oh these were the freebies from dublin conf...not that I am jealous.NOPE!00:41
w00t_andybleaden: yes, though I sometimes wonder if it'd have been better to not take it so I don't spend my time working on it :-P00:42
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andybleadenw00t_, bit like me with my 'if I get a netbook I can mess about with that to myhearts content rubbish...15-20 installs later..not the best idea though learnt tons00:43
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andybleadenw00t_, I still mess with it now as it looks like an old moblin set up with new meego software underneath00:44
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w00t_rustylynch: have you profiled ux-daemon startup at all?01:55
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rustylynchnope01:56
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w00t_a lot of the time (~20-25%) seems to be being spent loading pngs01:57
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w00t_something strikes me as odd about that01:57
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w00t_connecting the contextkit property shows up, too02:00
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w00t_rustylynch: unlikely, but, you still around? :)07:26
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w00t_rustylynch: not sure if it's your domain, but: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-components/merge_requests/407:27
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Stskeepszzz07:49
* w00t_ agrees07:50
w00t_it is about time for bed07:50
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iekkumorning10:03
cherrotafternoon~ :-)10:04
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iekku:)10:06
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Hq`hi, what's the current status of armv7hl builds?10:11
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Hq`I see there is an armv7hl repo, but the weekly images are still arm7l?10:11
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thiagoStskeeps: ^^^10:13
StskeepsHq`: we are missing last step, ie the infra pumping them out. ks files exist in image-configurations git10:14
Stskeepsand work10:14
StskeepsHq`: package set is complete10:15
Hq`ok, great10:16
StskeepsHq`: what's your interest, out of curiousity?10:17
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Hq`yeah, just asking out of curiosity10:18
Stskeepsalright10:19
Stskeepshttp://bug10738.openaos.org/images/n900/ if you want to try10:21
_MeeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed10:21
Stskeepson n90010:21
Hq`thanks, I'll try10:22
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Stskeepsseems like fps max with mtf is like 57fps portrait/landscape on n90010:28
Stskeepsbut our sgx may be at 83mhz only10:29
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Termanamorning10:29
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lbtmorning10:56
Stskeepsmorn10:56
dm8tbrgood moaning11:02
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cherrotWho knows why my QEMU cannot display characters? (Black boxex instead...)11:05
kyb3Rmoan11:10
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JaffaMorning, all12:17
lbto/ Jaffa12:17
* Jaffa wants to ask for clarification of who the "we" is on http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482406.html and where the meeting minutes are. But I suspect I won't get an answer.12:18
* thiago is now on his way to Camp KDE and LCS12:18
lbtask anyway12:18
Jaffalbt: And keep the non-contributing troublemaker badge?12:19
lbtyou say it well enough that it's clearly constructive12:19
Stskeepsif it continues too much, lodge a complaint with TSG, we have one soon :P12:20
Stskeepswhich (hopefully) will solve matters a bit12:20
leinirJaffa: Totally! Pushing open process is pretty important here...12:20
lbtJaffa: anyhow, they can't fire you ;)12:20
thiagonext one on April 14, at new time12:20
Stskeepsi still find it positive they even announce architecture changes12:20
thiago08:00 am for me...12:21
Stskeeps:P12:21
lbtthiago: it's nicely placed to minimise attendance12:21
lbtclever12:21
thiagonot really12:21
thiagoI think it's nicely placed to allow Asian attendance12:21
lbtah yes, we tried that before12:21
lbtnot so useful12:21
* thiago is half-expecting an LG and/or a Samsung TSG member soon12:21
JaffaStskeeps: Indeed.12:21
lbtStskeeps: it's telling that such a thing is the most +ve we can find12:22
Jaffathiago: Where are the emails to meego-community for high-powered and involved people located in Asian countries asking for the time to move?12:22
Stskeepslbt: that, and the fact i've seen a lot of sentences containing "i agree" in discussions12:23
lbtphone call ... bbiab12:23
leinirHmm, samsung... It'll be interesting to see how hard they'll try and push EFL... ;)12:23
thiagobesides, for the TSG meeting, the TSG members get to decide what time they meet12:23
thiagoNokia hasn't announced the replacement for Valtteri yet12:24
Stskeepsleinir: raster's obviously the new TSG member12:24
Stskeepsthat should be fun to watch12:24
thiago:-)12:25
leinirOooh... that would be... interesting to say the least...12:25
thiagomaybe an HTC member too12:25
thiagoand why not go for Motorola?12:25
thiagoGoogle is screwing everyone over with Android 3.012:26
cherrotI want to know why my QEMU cannot display characters? (Black boxex instead...)12:26
thiagocherrot: why is easy: font problems12:26
Stskeepslbt: needless to say, the architecture discussions/announcements that go on now is significantly more detailed than the previous architecture work, so i wouldn't call this a regression12:27
cherrotBut sometimes It can dispaly correctly while waiting a few seconds...12:27
thiagoflight delayed 15 minutes...12:27
Jaffalbt: Reply sent, trying to be as constructive as possible (but it may come across passive aggressive, ho hum)12:28
leinirJaffa: Well, in this case passive aggressive may be the way to go... It's not like they've not been told to do everything openly before, so... :)12:28
thiagoarjan was wondering last night why no one had flamed his post yet12:29
JaffaIt'll be interesting to compare the response with what's described agt http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture#Process12:29
Stskeepsthiago: because it doesn't contain the word 'tracker' ;)12:29
thiagoor "RPM"12:30
Stskeeps(also, noone really knows those components, noone in meego really uses them and those who do, know they don't fit very well in)12:30
* thiago is out of emails to read and starts reading spam12:30
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Aardthiago: I can forward you some more12:31
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thiagonah, just checking the headers to see if there's any new spam host I should add to my postfix block list12:33
thiagoStskeeps: I'll keep reviewing the submissions during my flights12:35
thiagoup until I either manage to sleep or run out of battery12:35
Stskeepsalright12:35
thiagoand after I'm done with our 182, there are 172 more for the desktop summit...12:36
Stskeepsat least we ended up with too many instead of too few, really looked badly for a bit12:36
thiagoyeah12:37
thiago~180 looks like a good number12:37
thiago270 last year was too much to review12:37
thiago50-60% approval rate this time, so around 100 talks to be approved12:37
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thiagomy idea was to use 6 rooms the first day (700+200+200+110+110+200) and schedule no BoFs12:38
Stskeepsmakes sense12:38
thiagothen on the second day, we split the two 110 rooms up and schedule BoFs12:38
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thiagothat's 18 BoFs to be scheduled if we only use two of the four rooms12:39
thiagofor the third day, we leave the BoF rooms plus one of the 200 rooms unscheduled, for impromptu sessions12:40
Stskeepsdo we have that many? i guess we'd prolly go 50-50% for the late breaking BoFs then12:40
thiagothat's then 18 BoFs and 5*6 + 9*4 + 7*3 = 87 sessions12:41
thiagowith this scheme, we're only scheduling 40% of the BoF available space (60% still available)12:42
thiagoand we allow 7 non-BoF sessions12:42
Stskeeps:nod:12:43
* thiago will make a spreadsheet12:43
thiagolet me load up the room list for the first flight12:43
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Stskeepsi'll be travelling in .dk a bit next week but should be reachable on email12:48
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* thiago has to go board his flight now12:55
thiagoI'll send when I am in Munich12:55
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wathekHi all13:39
wathekI cannot understand why the QPanGesture looks at two touched point ? why does it need two touch points ?13:39
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ShadowJKis it trying to emulate what certain laptop touchpads do, where you need to use two fingers with sufficient separation (ouch!) to scroll?13:49
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koraykivanc?14:09
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naquadhi16:02
naquadwhat is the main ui toolkit in meego? qt or gtk?16:02
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cherrotnaquad:qt~16:02
naquadthank you16:02
cherrotnaquad: you are welcome  See more: wiki.meego.com16:02
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vgradeCambridge (UK) MeeGo Meetup, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=19782&postcount=2916:19
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TSCHAKeeesilly question17:11
Stskeepshow silly?17:11
Stskeeps:P17:11
TSCHAKeeecan OBS fetch package sources from SVN?17:11
Stskeepssupposedly it has this source services thing17:11
TSCHAKeeehey Stskeeps :)17:11
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TSCHAKeeeok17:12
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TSCHAKeeehas anyone successfully installed the MeeGo SDK 1.2 preview with the Tablet target?17:13
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vgradeTSCHAKeee, I saw some grumbings about a new SDK was required17:17
TSCHAKeeeyeah i think i have it17:17
TSCHAKeeeit installs if i don't select any targets during install17:17
TSCHAKeeeit barfs otherwise17:17
b-man`may someone explain to me how i somehow got banned from a channel (#meego-dev) that i haven't even been on in 3 months? :P *pokes Stskeeps*17:18
GAN900b-man, channel was closed.17:19
Stskeepsb-man`: we shut it down, read meego-community@17:19
b-man`ah, ok17:19
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DawnFosterquick reminder that we have planned downtime for a bunch of meego.com services today starting in 10 min. Details: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/482292.html17:51
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RST38hDawnFoster: Short question: who is responsible for the QtMobility API design?17:56
StskeepsRST38h: qt mobility guys17:56
Stskeepssec17:56
RST38hStskeeps: We have got DocScrutinizer here loudly (and rather justly) complaining about the lack of interrupt/signals based sensor APIs in QtMobility17:57
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Stskeeps#qt-mobility17:58
RST38hStskeeps: He has been previously rejected with "wait for 1.0 then commit a patch" comment, which obviously does not apply there17:58
RST38hStskeeps: Would rather have nickname of the person responsible17:58
StskeepsRST38h: don't have it, check webpages18:00
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TSCHAKeeeokay...19:13
TSCHAKeeesoo....19:13
TSCHAKeeesay i've got a qml app, that's working well here in my dev environment... is there documentation on a spec file that OBS can chew through to make a package?19:14
TSCHAKeee(in other words, how is someone that uses Qt SDK or MeeGo supposed to distribute their work?)19:14
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Stskeepssupposedly there is rpm stuff in sdk, or supposed to be19:15
TSCHAKeeei...don't....see it...but i guess it's not in the Qt SDK.19:16
TSCHAKeeei'll keep digging19:16
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TSCHAKeee:/ I see lots of stuff alluding to the fact that RPMs can be mde19:37
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TSCHAKeeebut I really don't know how in the hell to kick it off19:37
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rzr1hi20:32
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TSCHAKeeehas anyone in here tried using the remote deployment stuff in the meego SDK?20:49
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wazdHi all22:00
Stskeepshi hi22:00
CosmoHillsalut22:01
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ZrZwhere can i dl an image for x86 , then site is down now22:28
CosmoHillhold on a second22:28
CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img22:29
CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img.md522:29
ZrZok i had that one meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img22:29
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ZrZlet's hope it's spyware free :)22:29
CosmoHillconsidering it's my mirror, it better be -.-22:30
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berndhssite came back22:36
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ZrZthx anyway22:46
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ZrZnext time use gopher22:48
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