| DawnFoster | handset is definitely not dead | 00:00 |
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| w00t_ | the new ux will just replace it :-P | 00:01 |
| gabrbedd | see??? see??? :-p | 00:02 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, gabrbedd had a look as there were mutterings of no new features so I posted that x page to show there are loads of bug fixes. might be worth waving the flag a little (happy to help) on the forums of what is to come to help people see what is coming | 00:03 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, gabrbedd so thanks for the link | 00:03 |
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| DawnFoster | I just like to drop links into irc from time to time | 00:04 |
| allandrick | brb | 00:04 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, Here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3053 | 00:04 |
| DawnFoster | cool, thanks! | 00:05 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, gabrbedd would it be worth (me or anyone) doing a post near release on the forums with a guide...ie in plain language eg..this pain in the rear etc etc fixed that pain inthe neck ..hidden etc etc..like I said happy to help | 00:06 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, would be cool to have a 10 things that 1.2 has that actually are noticable more than on 1.1 not your usual , slight gremlin that I never noticed but this crashy thing is not (ok maybe not) going to crash any more | 00:10 |
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| DawnFoster | that might be cool - let's chat about it closer to the 1.2 release? | 00:11 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, more than happy to help.even do a blog thing on 'why I upgraded' right after why I messed it up naturally :) | 00:19 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 00:19 |
| andybleaden | learn by mistakes.com | 00:20 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, didnotbackup.org | 00:20 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, anyway let me know how I can help.my netbook works a treat and would like to keep helping other than where I do now on forums or on my blog | 00:21 |
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| DawnFoster | if you aren't breaking stuff occasionally, then you must not be doing anything interesting :) | 00:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:27 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, I ,of course ,deny breaking anything worth not fixing again ;) | 00:28 |
| * w00t_ broke orientation on the tablet ux recently | 00:28 | |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, I quite enjoy helping noobs out tho | 00:28 |
| w00t_ | I don't often break things | 00:28 |
| w00t_ | it made me sad | 00:28 |
| andybleaden | w00t_, I ran the tablet ux on my netbook ..that broke EVERYthing | 00:29 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: yeah, it's less embarrassing when you just break your own installs | 00:29 |
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| DawnFoster | I was tweaking my metrics shell script recently and had a very badly misplaced rm -r in their. Luckily, I'm a bit obsessive about backing up :) | 00:30 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, w00t_ cant afford a tablet so thought I would break my netbook with the earlier release of tablet 1.2 | 00:30 |
| w00t_ | hm? I don't need a tablet | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | I have it running on my lenovo from dublin | 00:31 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, tablet build works relatively well on the lenovos | 00:31 |
| andybleaden | w00t_, aha you have a 10-3 thingy...mine is 10-2..no touch | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | rustylynch: running meego-ux-daemon through valgrind is fun, it's like the same speed as on the n900! | 00:31 |
| andybleaden | w00t_, just pretend | 00:31 |
| DawnFoster | andybleaden: yeah, no touch on the tablet interface makes using it a little challenging :) | 00:32 |
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| andybleaden | w00t_, even did a video on vimeo | 00:32 |
| w00t_ | ==1680== error: can't open output file '/root/massif.out.1680' | 00:33 |
| w00t_ | ==1680== ... so profiling results will be missing. | 00:33 |
| w00t_ | nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOooooooooooo | 00:33 |
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| andybleaden | w00t_, DawnFoster meego tablet on a non touch netbook http://vimeo.com/20054434 | 00:35 |
| DawnFoster | andybleaden: works better than I thought it would! | 00:36 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, I tried my best.actually thought it looked really good.reminded me of moblins mid stuff | 00:37 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, only thing that stopped me exploring more was the small touchpad is no replacement for a touch screen | 00:38 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, it's not very user friendly from the little touchpad | 00:38 |
| * w00t_ watches his poor lenovo try dump a tonne of debug info | 00:39 | |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: since we didn't buy these, we don't get in trouble for machine torture, do we? ;p | 00:39 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: aww, be nice to the computers :) | 00:39 |
| DawnFoster | if you torture them, they'll get you back later | 00:40 |
| w00t_ | ... | 00:40 |
| w00t_ | I think it just did | 00:40 |
| w00t_ | it locked up instead of dumping the logs | 00:40 |
| DawnFoster | well, that's handy | 00:40 |
| w00t_ | note to self, shorter tests next time. | 00:41 |
| andybleaden | w00t_, oh these were the freebies from dublin conf...not that I am jealous.NOPE! | 00:41 |
| w00t_ | andybleaden: yes, though I sometimes wonder if it'd have been better to not take it so I don't spend my time working on it :-P | 00:42 |
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| andybleaden | w00t_, bit like me with my 'if I get a netbook I can mess about with that to myhearts content rubbish...15-20 installs later..not the best idea though learnt tons | 00:43 |
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| andybleaden | w00t_, I still mess with it now as it looks like an old moblin set up with new meego software underneath | 00:44 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: have you profiled ux-daemon startup at all? | 01:55 |
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| rustylynch | nope | 01:56 |
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| w00t_ | a lot of the time (~20-25%) seems to be being spent loading pngs | 01:57 |
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| w00t_ | something strikes me as odd about that | 01:57 |
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| w00t_ | connecting the contextkit property shows up, too | 02:00 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: unlikely, but, you still around? :) | 07:26 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: not sure if it's your domain, but: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-components/merge_requests/4 | 07:27 |
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| Stskeeps | zzz | 07:49 |
| * w00t_ agrees | 07:50 | |
| w00t_ | it is about time for bed | 07:50 |
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| iekku | morning | 10:03 |
| cherrot | afternoon~ :-) | 10:04 |
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| iekku | :) | 10:06 |
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| Hq` | hi, what's the current status of armv7hl builds? | 10:11 |
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| Hq` | I see there is an armv7hl repo, but the weekly images are still arm7l? | 10:11 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: ^^^ | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | Hq`: we are missing last step, ie the infra pumping them out. ks files exist in image-configurations git | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | and work | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | Hq`: package set is complete | 10:15 |
| Hq` | ok, great | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | Hq`: what's your interest, out of curiousity? | 10:17 |
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| Hq` | yeah, just asking out of curiosity | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/n900/ if you want to try | 10:21 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | on n900 | 10:21 |
| Hq` | thanks, I'll try | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | seems like fps max with mtf is like 57fps portrait/landscape on n900 | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | but our sgx may be at 83mhz only | 10:29 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:29 |
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| lbt | morning | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:56 |
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| cherrot | Who knows why my QEMU cannot display characters? (Black boxex instead...) | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:17 |
| lbt | o/ Jaffa | 12:17 |
| * Jaffa wants to ask for clarification of who the "we" is on http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482406.html and where the meeting minutes are. But I suspect I won't get an answer. | 12:18 | |
| * thiago is now on his way to Camp KDE and LCS | 12:18 | |
| lbt | ask anyway | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | lbt: And keep the non-contributing troublemaker badge? | 12:19 |
| lbt | you say it well enough that it's clearly constructive | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | if it continues too much, lodge a complaint with TSG, we have one soon :P | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | which (hopefully) will solve matters a bit | 12:20 |
| leinir | Jaffa: Totally! Pushing open process is pretty important here... | 12:20 |
| lbt | Jaffa: anyhow, they can't fire you ;) | 12:20 |
| thiago | next one on April 14, at new time | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | i still find it positive they even announce architecture changes | 12:20 |
| thiago | 08:00 am for me... | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:21 |
| lbt | thiago: it's nicely placed to minimise attendance | 12:21 |
| lbt | clever | 12:21 |
| thiago | not really | 12:21 |
| thiago | I think it's nicely placed to allow Asian attendance | 12:21 |
| lbt | ah yes, we tried that before | 12:21 |
| lbt | not so useful | 12:21 |
| * thiago is half-expecting an LG and/or a Samsung TSG member soon | 12:21 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed. | 12:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's telling that such a thing is the most +ve we can find | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | thiago: Where are the emails to meego-community for high-powered and involved people located in Asian countries asking for the time to move? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: that, and the fact i've seen a lot of sentences containing "i agree" in discussions | 12:23 |
| lbt | phone call ... bbiab | 12:23 |
| leinir | Hmm, samsung... It'll be interesting to see how hard they'll try and push EFL... ;) | 12:23 |
| thiago | besides, for the TSG meeting, the TSG members get to decide what time they meet | 12:23 |
| thiago | Nokia hasn't announced the replacement for Valtteri yet | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | leinir: raster's obviously the new TSG member | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | that should be fun to watch | 12:24 |
| thiago | :-) | 12:25 |
| leinir | Oooh... that would be... interesting to say the least... | 12:25 |
| thiago | maybe an HTC member too | 12:25 |
| thiago | and why not go for Motorola? | 12:25 |
| thiago | Google is screwing everyone over with Android 3.0 | 12:26 |
| cherrot | I want to know why my QEMU cannot display characters? (Black boxex instead...) | 12:26 |
| thiago | cherrot: why is easy: font problems | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: needless to say, the architecture discussions/announcements that go on now is significantly more detailed than the previous architecture work, so i wouldn't call this a regression | 12:27 |
| cherrot | But sometimes It can dispaly correctly while waiting a few seconds... | 12:27 |
| thiago | flight delayed 15 minutes... | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Reply sent, trying to be as constructive as possible (but it may come across passive aggressive, ho hum) | 12:28 |
| leinir | Jaffa: Well, in this case passive aggressive may be the way to go... It's not like they've not been told to do everything openly before, so... :) | 12:28 |
| thiago | arjan was wondering last night why no one had flamed his post yet | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | It'll be interesting to compare the response with what's described agt http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture#Process | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: because it doesn't contain the word 'tracker' ;) | 12:29 |
| thiago | or "RPM" | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | (also, noone really knows those components, noone in meego really uses them and those who do, know they don't fit very well in) | 12:30 |
| * thiago is out of emails to read and starts reading spam | 12:30 | |
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| Aard | thiago: I can forward you some more | 12:31 |
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| thiago | nah, just checking the headers to see if there's any new spam host I should add to my postfix block list | 12:33 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: I'll keep reviewing the submissions during my flights | 12:35 |
| thiago | up until I either manage to sleep or run out of battery | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 12:35 |
| thiago | and after I'm done with our 182, there are 172 more for the desktop summit... | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | at least we ended up with too many instead of too few, really looked badly for a bit | 12:36 |
| thiago | yeah | 12:37 |
| thiago | ~180 looks like a good number | 12:37 |
| thiago | 270 last year was too much to review | 12:37 |
| thiago | 50-60% approval rate this time, so around 100 talks to be approved | 12:37 |
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| thiago | my idea was to use 6 rooms the first day (700+200+200+110+110+200) and schedule no BoFs | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 12:38 |
| thiago | then on the second day, we split the two 110 rooms up and schedule BoFs | 12:38 |
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| thiago | that's 18 BoFs to be scheduled if we only use two of the four rooms | 12:39 |
| thiago | for the third day, we leave the BoF rooms plus one of the 200 rooms unscheduled, for impromptu sessions | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | do we have that many? i guess we'd prolly go 50-50% for the late breaking BoFs then | 12:40 |
| thiago | that's then 18 BoFs and 5*6 + 9*4 + 7*3 = 87 sessions | 12:41 |
| thiago | with this scheme, we're only scheduling 40% of the BoF available space (60% still available) | 12:42 |
| thiago | and we allow 7 non-BoF sessions | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:43 |
| * thiago will make a spreadsheet | 12:43 | |
| thiago | let me load up the room list for the first flight | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll be travelling in .dk a bit next week but should be reachable on email | 12:48 |
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| * thiago has to go board his flight now | 12:55 | |
| thiago | I'll send when I am in Munich | 12:55 |
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| wathek | Hi all | 13:39 |
| wathek | I cannot understand why the QPanGesture looks at two touched point ? why does it need two touch points ? | 13:39 |
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| ShadowJK | is it trying to emulate what certain laptop touchpads do, where you need to use two fingers with sufficient separation (ouch!) to scroll? | 13:49 |
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| naquad | hi | 16:02 |
| naquad | what is the main ui toolkit in meego? qt or gtk? | 16:02 |
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| cherrot | naquad:qt~ | 16:02 |
| naquad | thank you | 16:02 |
| cherrot | naquad: you are welcome See more: wiki.meego.com | 16:02 |
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| vgrade | Cambridge (UK) MeeGo Meetup, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=19782&postcount=29 | 16:19 |
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| TSCHAKeee | silly question | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | how silly? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | can OBS fetch package sources from SVN? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly it has this source services thing | 17:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | hey Stskeeps :) | 17:11 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ok | 17:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee | has anyone successfully installed the MeeGo SDK 1.2 preview with the Tablet target? | 17:13 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, I saw some grumbings about a new SDK was required | 17:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah i think i have it | 17:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | it installs if i don't select any targets during install | 17:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | it barfs otherwise | 17:17 |
| b-man` | may someone explain to me how i somehow got banned from a channel (#meego-dev) that i haven't even been on in 3 months? :P *pokes Stskeeps* | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | b-man, channel was closed. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | b-man`: we shut it down, read meego-community@ | 17:19 |
| b-man` | ah, ok | 17:19 |
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| DawnFoster | quick reminder that we have planned downtime for a bunch of meego.com services today starting in 10 min. Details: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/482292.html | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | DawnFoster: Short question: who is responsible for the QtMobility API design? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: qt mobility guys | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: We have got DocScrutinizer here loudly (and rather justly) complaining about the lack of interrupt/signals based sensor APIs in QtMobility | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | #qt-mobility | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: He has been previously rejected with "wait for 1.0 then commit a patch" comment, which obviously does not apply there | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Would rather have nickname of the person responsible | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: don't have it, check webpages | 18:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | okay... | 19:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | soo.... | 19:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | say i've got a qml app, that's working well here in my dev environment... is there documentation on a spec file that OBS can chew through to make a package? | 19:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | (in other words, how is someone that uses Qt SDK or MeeGo supposed to distribute their work?) | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | supposedly there is rpm stuff in sdk, or supposed to be | 19:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | i...don't....see it...but i guess it's not in the Qt SDK. | 19:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'll keep digging | 19:16 |
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| TSCHAKeee | :/ I see lots of stuff alluding to the fact that RPMs can be mde | 19:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but I really don't know how in the hell to kick it off | 19:37 |
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| rzr1 | hi | 20:32 |
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| wazd | Hi all | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | hi hi | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | salut | 22:01 |
| berndhs | howdy | 22:01 |
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| ZrZ | where can i dl an image for x86 , then site is down now | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | hold on a second | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img.md5 | 22:29 |
| ZrZ | ok i had that one meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 22:29 |
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| ZrZ | let's hope it's spyware free :) | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | considering it's my mirror, it better be -.- | 22:30 |
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| berndhs | site came back | 22:36 |
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| ZrZ | thx anyway | 22:46 |
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| ZrZ | next time use gopher | 22:48 |
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