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| Venemo | berndhs, see http://fpaste.org/nTIr/ and overwrite with this the .spec file | 00:07 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, sorry, the correct URL is http://fpaste.org/nLHv/ | 00:07 |
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| berndhs | i dont like chromium | 00:09 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, the article discussed earlier ( http://stechz.com/2011/responsive-panning-and-zooming/ ) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | who is romaxa person you mentioned? | 00:10 |
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| berndhs | Venemo: better, its complaining about missing pkgconfig(QtOpenGL) | 00:11 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, so, install the relevant package :) | 00:11 |
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| berndhs | yeah, we're debugging your rpm, not my system :) | 00:12 |
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| * CosmoHill throws a rock at MS | 00:14 | |
| CosmoHill | that's for you confusing as bat shit licensing and me not being able to find out a UK price | 00:15 |
| Venemo | berndhs, you can't build the rpm without having QtOpenGL installed. | 00:15 |
| berndhs | Venemo: ok good, builts and installs now | 00:16 |
| berndhs | seems to run ok too | 00:16 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, does the icon appear in the app menu? | 00:16 |
| berndhs | yes its in the applications part | 00:17 |
| berndhs | "Puzzle Master" with a puzzel piece icon | 00:17 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, does it run? can you play with it? :) | 00:18 |
| berndhs | yes looks good | 00:18 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, sounds great! thanks for helping me test it :) | 00:23 |
| berndhs | no sweat, feel free to test http://carpo.sf.net :) | 00:23 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, is it written in Qt? | 00:24 |
| Venemo | berndhs, oh, I see it is :) | 00:25 |
| berndhs | yeah, QML no less | 00:25 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, cool. I have been looking for an RSS app :) | 00:26 |
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| Venemo | so, now that we have it figured out, how do I submit this to the OBS? | 00:26 |
| berndhs | it won't be any good on phones with this UI, have to work on that | 00:27 |
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| berndhs | for the OBS, you upload the source tgz, the desktop file, and the spec file | 00:27 |
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| berndhs | then it builds it for you | 00:27 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, how do I get an OBS account? | 00:28 |
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| berndhs | you give flowers to lbt | 00:29 |
| lcuk | and a cup of tea. | 00:29 |
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| gabrbedd | Venemo: Register an account at meego.com (if you don't already have one) and then contact lbt or X-Fade. They'll want your user name, a little info on what your intentions are, and confirmation that you're just using it for OSS. | 00:32 |
| lbt | yup | 00:32 |
| Venemo | gabrbedd, I already have a username there :) | 00:33 |
| lbt | ping me when ready | 00:33 |
| Venemo | lbt, I'm ready :) my intentions: conquering the world with Puzzle Master | 00:34 |
| lbt | ok ... follow all the instructions... | 00:34 |
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| Venemo | lbt, ok, point me to the instructions :) | 00:34 |
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| lbt | what gabrbedd said... | 00:34 |
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| lbt | especially the "They'll want your user name" part | 00:35 |
| Venemo | lbt, ok. My username is Venemo | 00:35 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: that sounds like something that should be on the wiki | 00:35 |
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| lbt | Venemo: done... | 00:36 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: It is... I'm thinking it needs to be on MeeGoBot | 00:36 |
| CosmoHill | ~ | 00:36 |
| CosmoHill | dammit where's auke when you need him | 00:37 |
| gabrbedd | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 00:37 |
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| gabrbedd | meegobot: community obs? | 00:38 |
| gabrbedd | :-( | 00:38 |
| lcuk | _MeeeGoBot_ CosmoHill is awesome. | 00:39 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | lcuk: ok | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | hell yeah | 00:39 |
| gabrbedd | _MeeeGoBot_: OBS info is http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 00:39 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | gabrbedd: ok | 00:39 |
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| gabrbedd | _MeeeGoBot_: obs info ? | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | ~cosmohill | 00:39 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | gabrbedd: everyone knows that! OBS info is http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 00:39 |
| lcuk | ~cosmohill | 00:40 |
| lcuk | hm | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | ~CosmoHill | 00:40 |
| gabrbedd | ~bless lcuk | 00:40 |
| infobot | lcuk: Live long and prosper! \//, | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | _MeeeGoBot_: CosmoHill? | 00:40 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | CosmoHill: Well, you are awesome. | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | infobot cosmohill is awesome | 00:41 |
| infobot | lcuk: okay | 00:41 |
| lcuk | ~cosmohill | 00:41 |
| infobot | hmm... cosmohill is awesome | 00:41 |
| lcuk | ~obs | 00:41 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, obs is opensuse build service | 00:41 |
| gabrbedd | ~wtf obs | 00:42 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what obs means... | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | it would be great if there was some kind of web access to the bots so we could list, add and remove commands | 00:42 |
| lcuk | infobot obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 00:42 |
| infobot | ...but obs is already something else... | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | infobot: forget obs | 00:42 |
| infobot | i forgot obs, CosmoHill | 00:42 |
| lcuk | infobot obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 00:43 |
| infobot | lcuk: okay | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't this raise a huge permission problem? | 00:43 |
| gabrbedd | infobot: everything you know is wrong | 00:43 |
| wmarone | poor infobot, memories so easily manipulated | 00:43 |
| infobot | okay, gabrbedd | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, only when someone redefines CosmoHill! | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | infobot: suicide is fun, you should try it sometime...soon | 00:43 |
| * infobot watches is fun, you should try it sometime...soon shoot themself in the head after seeing cosmohill commit suicide. | 00:43 | |
| CosmoHill | wtf | 00:44 |
| wmarone | o_O | 00:44 |
| DawnFoster | ha ha | 00:44 |
| CosmoHill | jesus that's screwed up | 00:44 |
| DawnFoster | I think auke is secretly messing with us :) | 00:44 |
| * CosmoHill is scared | 00:44 | |
| * gabrbedd can't stop laughing.... | 00:44 | |
| auke | shush | 00:44 |
| auke | I'm not subtle enough to secretly mess with you all | 00:45 |
| * CosmoHill goes and hides in his corner | 00:46 | |
| auke | infobot: meego is fun | 00:46 |
| infobot | ...but meego is already something else... | 00:46 |
| auke | infobot: blablabla is fun | 00:47 |
| infobot | okay, auke | 00:47 |
| auke | hmm | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | no infobot, meego is fun | 00:47 |
| CosmoHill | is that a youthamisim? | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | infobot hates me :-( | 00:47 |
| * CosmoHill murders the english language | 00:47 | |
| CosmoHill | ~auke | 00:47 |
| CosmoHill | ~seen auke | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | infobot: you such | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | infobot: you suck | 00:48 |
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| infobot | auke is currently on #meego (18h 28m 31s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1m 4s, last said: 'hmm'. | 00:48 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | well something's crashed | 00:48 |
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| auke | infobot: w00t is hated by infobot | 00:49 |
| infobot | stfu, is hated by infobot | 00:49 |
| w00t_ | ... | 00:49 |
| w00t_ | :D | 00:49 |
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| auke | infobot: DawnFoster? | 00:49 |
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| w00t_ | infobot: auke? | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | pfft | 00:50 |
| auke | we seem to have competing bots | 00:50 |
| auke | infobot: _MeeeGoBot_ ? | 00:50 |
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| CosmoHill | why do we have two? | 00:50 |
| auke | _MeeeGoBot_: infobot ? | 00:50 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | auke: Sorry, I've no idea what 'infobot' might be. | 00:50 |
| DawnFoster | oooh, we need a battle of the bots | 00:50 |
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| CosmoHill | please no | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | have them both say the same thing to each other | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | survival of the fittest | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | infobot: yes is no | 00:51 |
| infobot | ...but yes is already something else... | 00:51 |
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| CosmoHill | _MeeeGoBot_: no is ~yes | 00:51 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | CosmoHill: ok | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | ~yes | 00:51 |
| infobot | yes is probably the opposite of no | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | ~yes | 00:51 |
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| gabrbedd | ~no | 00:52 |
| CosmoHill | meh | 00:52 |
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| * CosmoHill leaves alone | 00:52 | |
| CosmoHill | _MeeeGoBot_: forget no | 00:52 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | CosmoHill: I've forgotten what I knew about 'no'. | 00:52 |
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| CosmoHill | just wondering, if the bots do have a knife fight with each other, how do we stop them? | 00:55 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: use guns to stop a knife fight | 00:57 |
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| auke | kickbot to the rescue! | 00:58 |
| * lcuk washes hands | 00:58 | |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: now you have clean hands but your clothes are still covered in blood | 00:59 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, it is all the iDust under my finger nails | 00:59 |
| gabrbedd | Lessee... | 01:00 |
| gabrbedd | ~curse _MeeeGoBot_ | 01:00 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, _MeeeGoBot_ ! | 01:00 |
| lcuk | eek @ me reviewing iphone :O --> http://twitter.com/lcuk | 01:00 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: We'll still talk to you. :-) | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, your software rendering | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | is that using the default linux driver? | 01:05 |
| lcuk | errr fbdev | 01:06 |
| lcuk | I think | 01:06 |
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| ZogG | lcuk you got iphone? | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | ZogG, my son has had one for a while, I had to touch it to take it off other son so had a bit of a poke around | 01:14 |
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| ZogG | lcuk, damn you stoled my tweet | 01:15 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, sw rendering to fbdev, dual core tegra2 power! | 01:47 |
| vgrade | lcuk, who needs gpu for 2d UX | 01:48 |
| mikeleib | rustylynch: you can has merge request in meego-qml-launcher | 01:49 |
| ZogG | vgrade, games? | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: tell that to vista and mac | 01:51 |
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| w00t_ | mikeleib: *goes to look* :) | 01:53 |
| w00t_ | I hope it doesn't hate my patches :P | 01:53 |
| mikeleib | it's nothing actually interesting | 01:54 |
| mikeleib | it's a tiny patch to enable a "hide" interface | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | eep, I'm 22 in 5 mins | 01:54 |
| mikeleib | that way I can hook up a test harness to hide the apps | 01:54 |
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| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: as in 22 years old? | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 01:57 |
| DawnFoster | *feeling old* :) | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | did you think I was older? | 01:57 |
| DawnFoster | well, you're at university, so I guess it makes sense | 01:58 |
| DawnFoster | I turn 40 next week :) | 01:58 |
| DawnFoster | anyway, happy birthday!! | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | merci | 01:58 |
| ZogG | i'm at college and i'm older (it depend on country as well) | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | there was a 82 year old in my class last semester | 01:58 |
| ZogG | wow | 01:59 |
| ZogG | i think he lived in university, i just was in army for 3 years | 01:59 |
| ZogG | i'm 25 in may and i'm one of the youngest in colledge | 01:59 |
| ZogG | college* | 01:59 |
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| CosmoHill | I took a year out so I'm like a year older than most people in my year, if that makes sense | 02:00 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: happy birthday | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 02:01 |
| berndhs | when I was 22, ... | 02:01 |
| ZogG | happy birthday | 02:01 |
| kahless | happy birthday :) | 02:01 |
| * CosmoHill pretends that he doesn't have any uni work | 02:01 | |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: it's your birthday - you shouldn't have to do any work :) | 02:02 |
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| mikeleib | w00t_: I can't seem to get obs to like yer patch | 02:02 |
| w00t_ | mikeleib: hmm - oh? | 02:03 |
| mikeleib | http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=meego-qml-launcher&project=home%3Amikeleib%3Abranches%3ATrunk | 02:03 |
| lcuk | vgrade, I have been saying the same for a long time! | 02:03 |
| lcuk | nice to see it happen with a real ui :) | 02:03 |
| mikeleib | I had planned to add my patch on top... but it doesn't seem to want to apply | 02:03 |
| lcuk | happy birthday CosmoHill :) | 02:03 |
| mikeleib | which is confusing, as it works in your home:w00t:branches ... | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | there's a computer forum I hang out on all the time and I share a birthday on there | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | thanks everyone :) | 02:04 |
| jausmus | happy birthday | 02:04 |
| * mikeleib gets email via gitorious.. but has no idea how to reply | 02:06 | |
| CosmoHill | mikeleib: with passion? | 02:06 |
| mikeleib | meh | 02:06 |
| * mikeleib is totally flummoxed why w00t's branched meego-qml-launcher builds and mine doesn't | 02:08 | |
| lcuk | mikeleib, where is w00ts branch? | 02:09 |
| jausmus | mikeleib: needs more squish... | 02:09 |
| mikeleib | aha! | 02:10 |
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| mikeleib | he branched devel:ux and I branched Trunk | 02:10 |
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| mikeleib | although.. tarball versions are the same | 02:10 |
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| w00t_ | mine isn't completely | 02:12 |
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| w00t_ | i will look in a minute | 02:12 |
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| w00t_ | brb | 02:12 |
| mikeleib | different checksums | 02:12 |
| mikeleib | ugg | 02:12 |
| mikeleib | will the real meego-qml-launcher-0.2.1 please stand up | 02:13 |
| mikeleib | ohwait.. different archive names | 02:13 |
| mikeleib | wtf | 02:13 |
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| rustylynch | mikeleib: who calls hide()? | 02:20 |
| mikeleib | rustylynch: I will eventually | 02:21 |
| mikeleib | over dbus | 02:21 |
| mikeleib | makes yer app hideable via dbus.. nice feature | 02:21 |
| rustylynch | ok, yea, i gathered that.... just curious, what you had in mind | 02:21 |
| mikeleib | test harness | 02:22 |
| rustylynch | good answer | 02:22 |
| mikeleib | nothing fancy.. just convenient to have upstream | 02:22 |
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| w00t_ | mikeleib: I am being kind of lazy and packaging my patches I plan to upstream in the tarball | 02:32 |
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| w00t_ | and the context switching patch is over the top of that | 02:32 |
| w00t_ | (sorry about that) | 02:32 |
| w00t_ | if you like, I can give you a version over plain master | 02:32 |
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| mikeleib | sure | 02:33 |
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| mikeleib | I would like that | 02:33 |
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| w00t_ | mikeleib: http://w00t.dereferenced.net/p/t/pastebin20110330-19246-1vamnpa-0.txt | 02:37 |
| w00t_ | untested (not compiled, run, anything) | 02:37 |
| w00t_ | but looks ok | 02:37 |
| w00t_ | (and sorry for the hassle, i guess i will rename to avoid future such problems :P) | 02:39 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:48 |
| mikeleib | w00t_: w00t! | 02:48 |
| mikeleib | home:mikeleib:branches:Trunk/meego-qml-launcher | 02:48 |
| w00t_ | mikeleib: works? ;) | 02:48 |
| mikeleib | it builds anway | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | that or he's making train noises again | 02:48 |
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| mikeleib | rustylynch: new merge request with fixed (I think) whitespace | 02:53 |
| * rustylynch looks | 02:54 | |
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| * rustylynch needs to figure out how to configure gitorious to notify him | 02:56 | |
| mikeleib | another reason git-send-email is better | 02:57 |
| rustylynch | seems like there should be a way to just click on something in the web page to suck in the changeset | 02:57 |
| mikeleib | another reason git-am is better | 02:57 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: http://gotiroius.org/favorites | 03:01 |
| w00t_ | er.. gitorious* | 03:01 |
| w00t_ | and yes, an 'apply this to <branch>' button would be great | 03:01 |
| * mikeleib finds meego-ux-settings doesn't seem to come back right after being hidden | 03:01 | |
| w00t_ | (gerrit has one of those, which is beautiful) | 03:01 |
| w00t_ | mikeleib: hmm? | 03:01 |
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| mikeleib | the text doesn't completely redraw or something | 03:04 |
| mikeleib | notsure if it's due to w00t's patch | 03:04 |
| w00t_ | can you take a photo? | 03:04 |
| w00t_ | I might know what that is | 03:04 |
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| w00t_ | email works, viroteck@viroteck.net | 03:10 |
| w00t_ | or upload somewhere like imgur.com | 03:10 |
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| mikeleib | a screencap flies through the intertubes | 03:11 |
| w00t_ | mikeleib: think i know it indeed, sec | 03:12 |
| mikeleib | if you scroll down in the list, it'll redraw and fix itself | 03:12 |
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| w00t_ | mikeleib: could be same as https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 | 03:12 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14266 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.8, viroteck, RESO FIXED, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard | 03:12 |
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| lcuk | mikeleib, attach photo in that bug report and ask if it is samecase | 03:14 |
| w00t_ | or, better still, now i pointed you at the bug, check if you have the fix | 03:14 |
| w00t_ | if you do, then it's obviously not the same cause | 03:14 |
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| w00t_ | fwiw, I don't have it on an image built off trunk yesterday | 03:16 |
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| w00t_ | mikeleib: any luck? | 03:25 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: patch incoming shortly | 03:35 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: filed as https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-qml-launcher/merge_requests/3 | 03:41 |
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| w00t_ | I think I might work on boosting next | 03:59 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, ceering for the weekly release having tablet build? | 06:39 |
| lcuk | cheering even | 06:39 |
| gabrbedd | yes. :-) | 06:39 |
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| * gabrbedd would use an exclaimation mark with the yes... but the community stats accused him of shouting too much | 06:40 | |
| lcuk | haha gabrbedd yea | 06:40 |
| lcuk | the stats show odd things | 06:40 |
| * lcuk types a lot | 06:40 | |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 06:41 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, do you want a cat by the way? it has given me a really screwed up sleep pattern this week. | 06:41 |
| gabrbedd | I have long had a saying: The only good cat is a dead cat. | 06:42 |
| gabrbedd | So.... no, I don't want your cat. :-) | 06:42 |
| * lcuk will post it to you when it expires | 06:43 | |
| lcuk | at least someone will have a use for it! | 06:43 |
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| gabrbedd | Well, I do like mu shu kitty | 06:44 |
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| lcuk | does mic2 cache the files it downloads and uses? | 06:52 |
| lcuk | so that if you make a few various images with tweaks you do not need to redownload all content again? | 06:52 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: I don't know about the default behavior. I usually set up a cache explicitly using the --cache option. | 06:53 |
| bkalinga | Hi All, anybody knows, where can i see #meego IRC chat archives | 06:54 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, complete online searchable archive is in the /topic | 06:56 |
| lcuk | for reference: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ | 06:56 |
| lcuk | all the way back to day1 | 06:56 |
| bkalinga | ok thanks... lcuk, | 06:56 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, :D | 06:57 |
| bkalinga | i am facing a problem..my mouse pointer not working inside qemu | 06:57 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: ha! | 06:57 |
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| bkalinga | anyone faced same issue?? | 06:57 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: hey - it's way late over there, why are you still awake? Or is it the lcuk bot :) | 06:57 |
| timoph | lcuk is a machine ;) | 06:58 |
| timoph | and good morning | 06:58 |
| lcuk | the other way round DawnFoster, I have screwed up sleep so trying to roll it round than being a zombie doing nothing | 06:58 |
| lcuk | I could either lie in bed trying to sleep, or learn about MIC2 stuff :) | 06:59 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: His cat keeps waking him up. Know any good cat recipes? | 06:59 |
| DawnFoster | well, as a vegan, I'm not up on the latest cat recipes :) | 06:59 |
| lcuk | I opened and fixed a bug in about 3 minutes :$ | 07:00 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 07:00 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, those dishes you tweeted about sound delicious | 07:02 |
| lcuk | and opensauce really is a cool way to explain it! recipe sharing :D | 07:02 |
| wmarone | grrr | 07:02 |
| DawnFoster | thanks - those are my inventions | 07:02 |
| * wmarone grumbles at B&N and Android as a whole | 07:02 | |
| DawnFoster | I'm working on a cookbook :) | 07:02 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, will they make it into 1.2? | 07:02 |
| wmarone | nothing like complying with the GPL by dropping a sloppily packaged tarball on your corporate webage | 07:03 |
| DawnFoster | definitely. the latest lentil features, | 07:03 |
| DawnFoster | well, it's almost bedtime over here on this side of the pond, so I'm going to curl up with some sci-fi printed on a dead tree. | 07:03 |
| lcuk | \o enjoy DawnFoster | 07:04 |
| gabrbedd | good night, DawnFoster! | 07:04 |
| DawnFoster | talk to you guys tomorrow! | 07:05 |
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| bkalinga | i m not able to move my mouse pointer inside qemu ..i m using 1.2 pre-release handset image | 07:07 |
| lcuk | timoph, \o morning. which the testing images, do you use the images created o different machine, or does each full testrunner make its own? | 07:07 |
| bkalinga | any idea anybody | 07:07 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, is that a problem in your qemu or specific to the image you are using within | 07:08 |
| bkalinga | i have not modified anything | 07:08 |
| gabrbedd | bkalinga: If you randomly click and drag and stuff... does it have any effect? By default, the mouse pointer is invisible in handset images. | 07:09 |
| bkalinga | using meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime | 07:09 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, when did it last work? | 07:09 |
| bkalinga | when i was using 1.1 image | 07:09 |
| bkalinga | i can see a mouse pointer inside qemu | 07:10 |
| timoph | lcuk: we create our own images from daily testing. basically just adding tests and some configuration | 07:10 |
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| * timoph needs to catch the bus. bbl | 07:10 | |
| lcuk | \o | 07:10 |
| bkalinga | but when i move my host mouse pointer inside it then my host mouse pointer getting disappear but the pointer inside qemu is not getting move | 07:11 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, ok then perhaps simply file a bug, it sounds like something changed | 07:12 |
| lcuk | make sure you add info about it working on the 1.1 | 07:12 |
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| bkalinga | ok..let me cross..check again by taking a fresh copy of runtime | 07:13 |
| bkalinga | thanks lcuk: | 07:13 |
| timoph | and I missed it | 07:14 |
| lcuk | :O timoph | 07:14 |
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| timoph | well. next one goes by in 10 mins | 07:15 |
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| lcuk | not so bad, are you stood at snowfilled bus-stop? | 07:16 |
| bkalinga | lcuk: i midded one point actually when i took the 1.2 pre-release it worked that time..after that i tried to build some Input related packages with -g and removing -O2 afterwards i am seeing this problem | 07:16 |
| bkalinga | midded* missed | 07:16 |
| timoph | finnish spring.. -7 and a meter of snow :) | 07:16 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, ok so it is not a system regression, undo what you did and happy using mouse - then actually trace what you did :P | 07:17 |
| bkalinga | right..let me do that | 07:17 |
| lcuk | timoph, do short people need to use a snorkle?! | 07:17 |
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| timoph | lcuk: if they go off road they might have to | 07:21 |
| Bostik | spring is cancelled | 07:22 |
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| djszapi | How can I reflesh maemo onto my memory, unfortunately I made a 'dd' operation for that partition while trying to make a 'dd' with the meego image instead of the sd card ? | 07:23 |
| lcuk | oh thank you gedit. Deciding not to open any document really helps my day. | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | giving you crapthat it can't decide which charset it is? | 07:25 |
| lcuk | no, just not opening a window at all | 07:25 |
| lcuk | even from console | 07:25 |
| lcuk | and thankfully there is no output | 07:25 |
| dm8tbr | lovely | 07:25 |
| iekku | good morning | 07:26 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, it started when ubuntu decided that .ks files are Java keystore files | 07:26 |
| lcuk | \o | 07:26 |
| timoph | :) | 07:27 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning | 07:27 |
| djszapi | Is there any way to see the device as a Mass Storage over the USB cable like in case Maemo ? | 07:30 |
| djszapi | That would prolly be an easy way to re-flash maemo back because I made a 'dd' to the maemo partition with the meego image :p | 07:31 |
| dm8tbr | isn't there a rescue system you can load into memory using flasher that does exactly that? | 07:32 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 07:32 |
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| djszapi | btw, it is most likely a meego-arm (N900) question, thus I will ask there. | 07:34 |
| lcuk | djszapi, actually, since you mounted, then overwrote the contents of the Maemo partition (which is usually *not* touched at all) the only real fix is to reflash either maemo OS image, or both the maemo OS and maemo eMMC, but that depends which partition you overwrote. | 07:38 |
| djszapi | lcuk: I do know what I did :) | 07:39 |
| djszapi | an image reflash would surely help if I had a jtag etc. | 07:39 |
| lcuk | yes, so the only fix is to use the normal maemo flashing things? | 07:39 |
| djszapi | that is why I am asking whether I can avoid it and just use 'dd' again from the running yesterday meego image. | 07:39 |
| djszapi | if it saw the device as a mass storage, it should be an easy task | 07:40 |
| * lcuk confused | 07:40 | |
| djszapi | as usual :) | 07:40 |
| lcuk | I knew dd was powerful, but pulling data through a wormhole from yesterday is kindof awesome! | 07:40 |
| djszapi | well, the whole question is about that how to avoid the jtag image re-flashing without a running maemo. | 07:41 |
| djszapi | please answer on #meego-arm, if you would like, as far as it is a #meego-arm question | 07:43 |
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| berndhs | isnt this more a maemo question ? | 07:44 |
| berndhs | seeing that you wrecked the maemo image and want to get it back ? | 07:45 |
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| gabrbedd | good night, all! | 08:14 |
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| lcuk | hahaha | 08:50 |
| lcuk | I have just been shown a little library from the good people in ##linux | 08:50 |
| lcuk | which has date manipulation functions | 08:50 |
| lcuk | I was talking about liqcalendar http://www.my-maemo.com/grafika/liqcalendar.jpg having day issues) | 08:50 |
| lcuk | the library they found is uber scientific, with calculations like: "a few hundred billion years with 1-second precision;" | 08:51 |
| lcuk | now IDK how long I would have to scroll to get past a few hundred billion years! | 08:51 |
| lcuk | the library is: http://cr.yp.to/libtai.html pretty awesome in itself :) | 08:53 |
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| bkalinga | working with qemu is very difficult as the response time to tooo high for any click.. | 09:23 |
| bkalinga | any work around for this | 09:23 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, what are you running/testing? | 09:25 |
| lcuk | and do you not have a live real machine nearby you could get involved? | 09:25 |
| bkalinga | Opening application launcher then choosing any application | 09:25 |
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| bkalinga | it takes 5-8 minutes | 09:26 |
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| bkalinga | or sometime more than that for SMS, EMAIL for example | 09:26 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, that is not my experience :S | 09:27 |
| bkalinga | currently no real device to work with..till that time want to get indulge in qemu but too slow :( | 09:27 |
| lcuk | which image are you playing with? | 09:27 |
| bkalinga | meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime | 09:27 |
| lcuk | and what computer is this on, because qemu ran reasonably well last time I tried | 09:27 |
| bkalinga | Ubuntu 10.04 | 09:28 |
| lcuk | on what metal though? | 09:28 |
| * lcuk has ubuntu 10.04 on the testing machine also | 09:28 | |
| bkalinga | NVIDIA GFX with Ubuntu 10.04 as Host for the qemu | 09:29 |
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| bkalinga | lcuk: "what metal" u mean my processor details? | 09:32 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, yes, but the nvidia graphics and slowness is ringing true, I think it is that that is the issue | 09:35 |
| lcuk | I might be wrong though, do some digging | 09:35 |
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| bkalinga | i have 2core intel with cpu MHz: 2533.833 | 09:36 |
| bkalinga | cache size: 4096 KB | 09:36 |
| bkalinga | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU | 09:36 |
| bkalinga | so this NVIDIA card might be the cause for the slowness | 09:37 |
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| bkalinga | glxinfo|grep renderer | 09:38 |
| bkalinga | OpenGL renderer string: Quadro NVS 295/PCI/SSE2 | 09:38 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, check the other items on this page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration (I guess you are there already?) | 09:48 |
| bkalinga | yeah these are pre-requisites and already met | 09:49 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, what version of qemu have you got installed? dpkg -l |grep qemu | 09:51 |
| bkalinga | Hey lcuk: i found one good thing | 09:52 |
| lcuk | slow UI makes you think about every single individual transition frame? | 09:52 |
| bkalinga | before i poweron the runtime(qemu) i need to sudo modprobe kvm_intel | 09:52 |
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| bkalinga | yes for every single individual transition frame it was taking time | 09:53 |
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| bkalinga | once i reboot my system it not loading these kvm related module . | 09:53 |
| bkalinga | i just did lsmod | grep kvm: no out put | 09:54 |
| bkalinga | then sudo modprobe kvm_intel | 09:54 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, qemu version? | 09:54 |
| bkalinga | lsmod | grep kvm | 09:54 |
| bkalinga | kvm_intel 39448 0 | 09:54 |
| bkalinga | kvm 245253 1 kvm_intel | 09:54 |
| bkalinga | and qemu worked like a charm | 09:54 |
| bkalinga | how to check qemu version | 09:55 |
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| bkalinga | ii meego-qemu-ia32 4 Meego QEMU helper for MADDE | 09:55 |
| bkalinga | ii qemu-gl 0.12.4+git8+10d9982-1 QEMU full system emulation binaries | 09:55 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, thanks :) | 09:56 |
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| bkalinga | this version is fine for working? | 09:57 |
| lcuk | the reason I ask, is that the MeeGo-Image-Builder tool expects higher version of qemu which is not yet available in ubuntu 10.04 | 09:57 |
| lcuk | bug 12121 | 09:57 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12121 nor, Undecided, ---, jarmo.kant, REOP, qemu: fatal: cp15 insn ee1d0f70 when building armv7hl image | 09:57 |
| lcuk | whilst not your issue, having you seemingly having random issue with qemu | 09:57 |
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| lcuk | might be a reasonable time to also update qemu if you can find it to see if it fixes your issue | 09:57 |
| bkalinga | sure | 09:58 |
| * lcuk cannot find official version on ubuntu backports repo though | 09:58 | |
| lcuk | I thought I did, but it is unofficial server | 09:58 |
| * lcuk prefers official ones :$ | 09:58 | |
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| bkalinga | hmm | 09:58 |
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| bkalinga | can someone help me in finding out why VKB is not working in my QEMU | 10:45 |
| bkalinga | i remember it was working few days back | 10:46 |
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| jonnor | bkalinga: is the uiserver running? Do the apps use the MInputContext? Can you see the apps communicating with the server? | 10:51 |
| bkalinga | yes it is running... | 10:51 |
| bkalinga | i am trying to open SMS and email from app launcher | 10:52 |
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| bkalinga | using handset 1.2 pre-release | 10:52 |
| bkalinga | i tried killing uiserver and ran with -software still did not work | 10:52 |
| jonnor | "did not work" ? | 10:53 |
| jonnor | oh, ok | 10:53 |
| jonnor | start both the uiserver and apps from a terminal | 10:53 |
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| jonnor | check that they start communicating | 10:53 |
| bkalinga | ok let me do that | 10:54 |
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| bkalinga | jonnor: do i need to mention MInputContext anywhere? | 10:56 |
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| bkalinga | jonnor: i am not able to figure out whether they are communicating or not | 10:57 |
| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/zkMEaeyY | 10:57 |
| bkalinga | pastebined the logs | 10:58 |
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| bkalinga | jonnor: http://pastebin.com/zkMEaeyY | 11:16 |
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| thedboydguy | Is anyone there? | 11:24 |
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| jbos | hello | 11:33 |
| jbos | is there a way for qml apps to rotate the vkb? in n900 DE | 11:33 |
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| mikhas | so, since 1.2 is in code-freeze, this means new versions go into MeeGo trunk now? | 11:44 |
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| mikhas | w.o.w.: please point me to the integration cycle overview for MeeGo :-) | 11:45 |
| mardy | is it just my browser, or is gitorious online commenting broken? | 11:45 |
| mardy | the mouse cursor turns into the hand while hovering a line number, but nothing happens when I click it | 11:45 |
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| mikhas | mardy, known issue for too long commits | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | mikhas: wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering | 11:45 |
| mikhas | gitorious disables inline commenting | 11:45 |
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| mikhas | thanks! | 11:45 |
| mardy | mikhas: thanks. But is this really too long? https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/accounts-glib/commit/214082dbc4495b812af6f33255be19f82db7e096 | 11:46 |
| mikhas | mardy, no - and I cannot comment either | 11:46 |
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| mikhas | FWIW, gitorious had a black-out yesterday | 11:47 |
| mikhas | perhaps not fully recovered | 11:47 |
| mikhas | you can try writing to support@gitorious.org | 11:47 |
| mikhas | or you can send your message in a bottle | 11:47 |
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| mikhas | both should have same effectiveness | 11:47 |
| mardy | mikhas: I'll try the e-mail, thanks :-) | 11:48 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, did you get round to making an image for atom + GMA500 for netbooks? | 12:05 |
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| lcuk | iekku, hey, the bouncing around on bug 14266 | 12:56 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.8, viroteck, RESO FIXED, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard | 12:56 |
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| iekku | lcuk, :D | 12:56 |
| lcuk | it was tested on a weekly image, but it was a weekly produced on the same day as todays daily | 12:57 |
| lcuk | but it is being retested anyway today | 12:57 |
| lcuk | because a related bug came in which might have same cause | 12:58 |
| lcuk | and needs verifying etc | 12:58 |
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| iekku | lcuk, ok. w00t_ said to me @meego-qa that test image didn't have fix | 12:58 |
| w00t_ | well - not said, I assumed | 12:59 |
| iekku | :D | 13:00 |
| iekku | ok, let's see what happens | 13:00 |
| fabo | what about checking Qt changelog in the tested image and make sure it contains the fix? | 13:00 |
| fabo | it happens often | 13:01 |
| fabo | QA reopen a bug but the fix isn't available in the tested image | 13:01 |
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| timeless_w7ip | fabo: where's the fun in that? | 13:02 |
| iekku | btw, is video calls supported on meego? | 13:02 |
| w00t_ | fabo: I'm now trying to work out how to do that | 13:02 |
| iekku | is / are | 13:02 |
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| fabo | timeless_w7ip: it kills ping-pong game on a bug :) | 13:03 |
| iekku | fabo, :( | 13:03 |
| * iekku needs to figure out other game then | 13:03 | |
| Stskeeps | iekku: doubt it | 13:03 |
| iekku | :P | 13:03 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, there's bug filed for test cases missing for video call | 13:03 |
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| iekku | so need to find out if they are supported or not :D | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | got a FEA#? | 13:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | fabo: yeah, that'd make bugs boring1 | 13:04 |
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| timeless_w7ip | s/1/!/ | 13:04 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: fabo: yeah, that'd make bugs boring! | 13:04 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, found 2: bug 5161 and bug 5162 | 13:06 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5161 enh, Undecided, ---, mikhail.zabaluev, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Video call support for XMPP/Jingle | 13:06 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5162 enh, Undecided, ---, mikhail.zabaluev, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Video call support for SIP | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so not suitable | 13:08 |
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| SymbianUser | hi guys. Any word on the n950 release date? | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | SymbianUser: #meego-bar for rumour discussion please :) there would be a nokia.com press release if there was any announcements | 14:44 |
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| w00t_ | rustylynch: did you get a chance to look at that patch btw? | 14:44 |
| SymbianUser | thx | 14:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, rumours are not applicable anywhere really | 14:45 |
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| SymbianUser | i was just so dissaponted by e7... Shit battery and camera. Was hoping n950 might be better | 14:48 |
| KaL | mikhas: I couldn't attend the meeting yesterday, but claudio has already sent the irc log to me | 14:48 |
| SymbianUser | So wanted to know if i should wait | 14:48 |
| mikhas | KaL, np - I'll send the minutes out later today | 14:49 |
| KaL | great | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: btw, do you have the new fancy VKB with self-composition anywhere? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | for meego rpm | 14:49 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, the integrated MeeGo 1.2 versions have it | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 14:51 |
| mikhas | meego-keyboard 0.5.32 | 14:51 |
| mikhas | yup | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | in Trunk:Testing? | 14:51 |
| mikhas | in MeeGo 1.2 AFAIK, dunno about Trunk:Testing | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | thought it was refused or something so | 14:52 |
| mikhas | well, it was a close call | 14:52 |
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| mikhas | we had to put some weight behind it (from Nokia) ;-) | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | heh, good to know that's still possible :P | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | tablet UX people should have significant benefit from it too | 14:53 |
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| w00t_ | hmm | 14:55 |
| w00t_ | at least from 1-2 days ago it seemed pretty slow | 14:56 |
| w00t_ | though iirc that was built off T:T | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | missing compositor updates? | 14:56 |
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| w00t_ | I put it down to vkb troubles, but I honestly don't know | 14:57 |
| w00t_ | I haven't had time to look | 14:57 |
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| mikhas | well, we have benchmarks in the meego-keyboard's test | 15:12 |
| mikhas | some even provide a nice summary | 15:12 |
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| mikhas | on the N900, everything lower than 30FPS should be critical (rule of thumb), though from my experience we can get more than that there, too | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, with a great many things now thanks to the immense work, the issue for normal running is not fps but of startup lag and odd intra-application hiccups and that sort of feeling | 15:15 |
| mikhas | oh ok | 15:15 |
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| mikhas | well, startup ... there is some work going on in that department | 15:16 |
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| mikhas | intra-application, yeah well, currently any application using more than one X11 window could screw us over, I believe. | 15:17 |
| lcuk | mikhas, yeah its something that mostly effects other apps - the vkb is reasonably quick in coming up when needed :) | 15:17 |
| mikhas | and if intra-app means switching between different windows between different apps, yep, there might be sync issues | 15:17 |
| mikhas | MeeGo Touch was designed for only-one-X11-window-per-app | 15:18 |
| mikhas | I leave it to others to judge that. | 15:18 |
| lcuk | that is not unreasonable | 15:18 |
| mikhas | and MeeGo Touch was our first client :-) | 15:18 |
| mikhas | lcuk, Stskeeps - in our team's daily meeting we agreed to put more resources into VKB and MeeGo 1.2 | 15:20 |
| mikhas | (today) | 15:20 |
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| mikhas | I know, a bit late for your taste. | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | :) | 15:23 |
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| timeless_office | wow, i got 18 bugmails from meego | 15:25 |
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| timeless_office | i take it someone started actually looking at bugs.meego.com? :) | 15:25 |
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| mikhas | timeless_office, sometimes, when I manage to chew through my 150+ internal bugmails, I do look at BMC, too ... | 15:49 |
| timeless_office | you just need to train yourself not to get internal bugmail :) | 15:49 |
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| andreizro | does anybody else have issues accessing build.meego.com ? | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | not only you | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | seems like it's a good time to leave from work | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:01 |
| andreizro | :) | 16:01 |
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| timeless_office | or you could send bugs upstream | 16:02 |
| timeless_office | it doesn't require access to build.m.c :) | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | i have presentations to sort | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | "session presenters: anonymous" | 16:30 |
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| gabrbedd | anybody else have trouble with mic2 and yesterday's weekly build? For me it's crashing out when trying to copy timezone info inside the bootstrap. | 16:33 |
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| gabrbedd | bug 15034 | 16:35 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15034 cri, Undecided, ---, yi.y.yang, NEW, MIC2 build fails with "KickstartError: Error copying timezone info: No such file or directory" | 16:35 |
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| lbt | csdb: ping | 16:43 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: *g* ... which ? | 16:43 |
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| gabrbedd | X-Fade: \o | 17:06 |
| gabrbedd | X-Fade: Come here often? | 17:06 |
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| w00t_ | gabrbedd: sec... | 17:08 |
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| w00t_ | gabrbedd: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14957 is the same bug, I think | 17:09 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14957 nor, Undecided, ---, shuangquan.zhou, ASSI, zypp doesn't handle -package similarly than yum. | 17:09 |
| w00t_ | tried --pkgmgr=yum? | 17:09 |
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| gabrbedd | w00t_: That seems like a different issue. | 17:15 |
| w00t_ | gabrbedd: try it | 17:15 |
| w00t_ | it sounds different, but sage reported it after i had exactly your issue :) | 17:15 |
| w00t_ | (and --pkgmgr=yum worked for me) | 17:15 |
| gabrbedd | w00t_: I'll give yum a try (why not?) -- but it'll be a few hours before I can give it a go. | 17:15 |
| gabrbedd | w00t_: I have noticed other oddness with `-packagename`, though. | 17:16 |
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| Sage | w00t_, gabrbedd: If you check the amount of packages installed and full log you can see that with zypp some packages are ignored | 17:17 |
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| gabrbedd | Sage, w00t_ The trouble I was having with `-packagename` etc. is that packages in my 2nd repo wouldn't get installed. | 17:21 |
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| Sage | gabrbedd: -packagename only works when using yum backend and when no other package depends on that package. | 17:22 |
| gabrbedd | Sage: w00t_ E.g. I rebuild pulseaudio with jack support. When specifying explitly which versions to install... it fails saying it can't find the package. | 17:22 |
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| gabrbedd | Sage: What's the default package manager for mic2? | 17:23 |
| gabrbedd | 'cos I think i've seen `-packagename` work with whatever the default is. | 17:24 |
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| Sage | gabrbedd: zypp if it can find it | 17:27 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, with a capital A? | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but no profile :P | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | no presenters listed | 17:46 |
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| GAN900 | Watch out for trolls in V masks. | 17:46 |
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| * w00t_ yawns | 17:52 | |
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| tj83|mini | is there a configuration file to specify more power options? like on lid event? | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | sabotage: | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | ~haveameegomeeting | 18:45 |
| infobot | methinks haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html | 18:45 |
| sabotage | Stskeeps: got it, thanks | 18:46 |
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| csdb | lbt, pong | 19:08 |
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| lbt | csdb: I resolved your bug | 19:09 |
| lbt | providing you use debian 6 | 19:09 |
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| lbt | suse is 'tba' | 19:09 |
| csdb | I saw the report. | 19:09 |
| lbt | if you play with it please let me know | 19:10 |
| csdb | I might give it a try on a Debian 6 VM - I have no HW with it | 19:10 |
| csdb | I'll see if I can give it a go sometime next week. This week is impossible | 19:10 |
| lbt | np | 19:10 |
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| csdb | is there anything particular about Debian 6 that it needs, or is it just the distro you're using atm ? | 19:11 |
| lbt | nothing special - but it uses ruby | 19:11 |
| lbt | so that has packaging issues on different distros | 19:11 |
| lbt | we use debian on meego.com infra | 19:11 |
| lbt | and suse in nokia | 19:12 |
| lbt | hence the 2 | 19:12 |
| csdb | what a distro salad ! | 19:12 |
| lbt | not always something we can choose | 19:12 |
| csdb | :) | 19:12 |
| lbt | and we will have vendors using .deb based | 19:12 |
| lbt | so it's good to do both | 19:12 |
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| csdb | agreed that its good to do both. | 19:13 |
| * mikeleib waves to all the boys and girls of the world | 19:13 | |
| * lbt waves back | 19:13 | |
| thiago_home | hi mike | 19:13 |
| mikeleib | hi lbt, thiago_home | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | morn mikeleib | 19:13 |
| csdb | but obs isn't available on debian (afaik). so there's not much choice on that one | 19:14 |
| mikeleib | it's a friendly place. I should hang out here more often | 19:14 |
| lbt | *g* | 19:14 |
| lbt | csdb: no, but that's almost an appliance | 19:14 |
| lbt | boss is about integration ... hence the thinking there | 19:15 |
| csdb | lbt, which one is almost an appliance ? | 19:15 |
| lbt | OBS | 19:15 |
| lbt | it's usually a dedicated hardware/sw setup | 19:16 |
| csdb | I guess - but you still need to know/train the admins enough on openSUSE. | 19:16 |
| lbt | you're unlikely to run other services there | 19:16 |
| lbt | well, that's the problem | 19:16 |
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| * Stskeeps votes for meego server edition | 19:16 | |
| csdb | its not turnkey | 19:16 |
| lbt | we need to get the 'basic operations' sorted | 19:16 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: sure... I have an AMD server... | 19:18 |
| csdb | it seems to me that while the desktop is largely compatible across the distros, the server side is still "this distro works better for A", "that distro works better for B"... | 19:19 |
| csdb | which makes people (manning the servers) have to be comfortable with various distros at the same time. | 19:20 |
| * csdb keeps pushing back IT's request to run everything on RHEL5 which they like the most | 19:20 | |
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| smoku | csdb, I worked on an app designed for debian (ubuntu). some of our clients leased RHEL servers. we ended up with ubuntu chroot running ssh daemon on the RHEL machine. both parties were happy. :) | 19:31 |
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| csdb | smoku, hmmm - yeah that would work. Kinda messy though. I prefer to ignore their advice - in-house it's easier to that than with external customers :-) | 19:35 |
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| gabrbedd | smoku: I admit I don't do much server admin... but the chroot solution seems pretty drastic. What forced you to that? Dependencies? | 19:37 |
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| smoku | gabrbedd, yup. we were packaging our app in .deb and kept it in our own apt repository together with dependencies. | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | i guess, because they didn't buy rhel subscription :P | 19:38 |
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| smoku | gabrbedd, and the debian packages were taking care of all the upgrades | 19:39 |
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| smoku | gabrbedd, see http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2009/01/how-to-deploy-python-applications-in-5-minutes/ | 19:40 |
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| gabrbedd | smoku: OK. I'm an anal retentive developer... so I usually go the hard way by branching the project :-) Never thought to try something so pragmatically nasty. | 19:45 |
| gabrbedd | That is... "pragmatic but nasty" | 19:45 |
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| gabrbedd | :-) | 19:45 |
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| smoku | gabrbedd, well... when we started the company CEO was like: We control the whole environment and can tall the client we support only X and if they want the product they need X. Go design something fast and bulletproof. | 19:48 |
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| smoku | gabrbedd, few months passed and we got: BTW, the client does not want Ubuntu LTS and has RHEL. And we need that sale. Think out something fast! | 19:49 |
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| gabrbedd | smoku: Just to be clear... I'm actually impressed by your solution. | 19:52 |
| smoku | sure. got it :) | 19:53 |
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| smoku | i've been through few startups, and have some stories ;-) | 19:54 |
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| Rubempre | hi | 20:27 |
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| kashir | hi all | 20:44 |
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| kashir | what netbook you recommend for meego? | 20:44 |
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| kashir | (between 250-300€) | 20:44 |
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| kashir | hi? | 20:47 |
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| * mikeleib has heard of people using acer aspires | 20:49 | |
| * mikeleib hasn't used one | 20:49 | |
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| wmarone | kashir: anything with an Atom will generally do | 20:50 |
| xplt | [just interesting] Will MeeGo launch on Nokia Booklet 3G?... | 20:50 |
| wmarone | easier if you get one with intel graphics | 20:50 |
| mikeleib | you want something with open source wifi drivers if possible | 20:50 |
| wmarone | xplt: who knows | 20:50 |
| xplt | wmarone: mb, Nokia? :) | 20:50 |
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| berndhs | xplt: nah, Nokia probably doesn't know | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | xplt: you might have success with the EMGD drivers | 20:51 |
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| kashir | this is a good netbook for MeeGo? http://www.pccomponentes.com/asus_eeepc_1005pxd_n455_1gb_250gb_10_1__blanco.html | 20:55 |
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| Sage | kashir: That chipset is same as in lenovo s10-3t so I would think that it meego should work pretty nicely in it. | 21:19 |
| kashir | :D | 21:19 |
| kashir | thanks | 21:19 |
| kashir | and wifi too? | 21:20 |
| Sage | Personally I don't like the keyboard in asus eeepc so I would pass those :) | 21:20 |
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| Sage | You should google and check what wifi card they have in it. If it is atheros based chip it should work out of the box AFAIK, but with boardcom based chips you might need to install firmware manually (not sure if meego netbook provides it already or not) | 21:21 |
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| gabrbedd | w00t_: I tried the --pkgmgr=yum thing. I didn't have time to let it finish... but it at least got past the point where it was crashing before. I'll let it run its course later this evening and update the bug report with the results (and mention the possible dup with the `-packagename` bug) | 21:24 |
| Sage | At least the atheros chip in my lenovo s10-3t works out of the box. | 21:24 |
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| gabrbedd | kashir: I agree with Sage. A bad wifi card is a real buzzkill. Known "bad" ones that are common include Broadcom (a little bad), RT3090 (a little more bad), and any 3DSP (game over). | 21:27 |
| * Sage is happy that his lenovo s10-3t has atheros chip | 21:28 | |
| kashir | and how can ) know what is this netbook? | 21:28 |
| w00t_ | gabrbedd: ok, nice | 21:30 |
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| * gabrbedd wishes his Lenovo S10-3t had an atheros... but alas it's the Broadcom. | 21:30 | |
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| gabrbedd | kashir: Ask the person selling it to you. | 21:31 |
| gabrbedd | kashir: If you can get your hands on one, then there's some tricks you can do with a MeeGo USB image. | 21:31 |
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| Sage | boot live image and see if it shows wlan networks by default | 21:32 |
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| kashir | how can I buy your lenovo? | 21:35 |
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| kashir | where* | 21:35 |
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| gabrbedd | kashir: I bought mine from Wal-Mart. Sage probably got his as the 2010 MeeGo Convention. | 21:39 |
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| gabrbedd | kashir: I've also heard that the @intel's have started using the ExoPc for MeeGo dev units. | 21:41 |
| kashir | i see the lenovo s10-3t and i like it xD | 21:42 |
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| kashir | but im from spain and i dont know where can i buy it =/ | 21:42 |
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| gabrbedd | kashir: I like it, too. Have you tried lenovo.com ? | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | lol @ the artwork request wiki | 22:32 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Artwork | 22:32 |
| lcuk | wazd, that sort of thing was written with you in mind I think ;) | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | Should Artwork include also things like Ringtones? | 22:34 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk, are you insinuating that music isn't art? | 22:36 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 22:36 |
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| berndhs | music is serious business :) | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, berndhs :) indeed! | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | I added ringtones and a block about media licensing | 22:41 |
| lcuk | I also added Fonts as suggested media | 22:42 |
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| * gabrbedd contemplates suggesting some poetry, too | 22:45 | |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, :D | 22:45 |
| lcuk | that is a great idea! | 22:45 |
| lcuk | really | 22:45 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk, yeah... I was actually half-serious. Not sure how to use it though. I'm thinking short stuff like Dickensen or Haikus could be used somewhere | 22:47 |
| berndhs | Limericks ? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, it could encourage someone to make a nicely designed QOTD/POTD app to go with them ;) | 22:49 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yep. berndhs Yep. You could even have an `-o` switch (like bsd fortune) | 22:53 |
| rustylynch | w00t_: btw... i am looking at the merge request for meego-qml-launcher, now that a morning of meetings is over with | 22:53 |
| w00t_ | sure | 22:54 |
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| rustylynch | w00t_: are seeing issues where none of the apps appear to get orientation data until there is at least one orientation event... i.e. using an exopc/wetab, i have the device sitting in a dock in landscape mode. When i initial boot, if i don't pick up the device and move it around, then all the apps startup in the default portrait mode. after i move the device around then even new apps get the correct orientation on startup | 23:26 |
| w00t_ | rustylynch: see the mentioned bug | 23:26 |
| w00t_ | are you saying that worked with QOrientationFilter, for you, though? | 23:26 |
| w00t_ | because it didn't for me - that's what I went in there to try fix | 23:26 |
| rustylynch | i didn't have this problem before | 23:26 |
| w00t_ | that's interesting, ok | 23:27 |
| rustylynch | although, before i believe i explicitely did a read on startup | 23:27 |
| rustylynch | although... nevermind, that doesn't make sens | 23:27 |
| w00t_ | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1385 is the bug, btw | 23:27 |
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| w00t_ | brb, dinner | 23:28 |
| w00t_ | but no need to rush with merging it | 23:28 |
| rustylynch | also... this might be a combination of the last couple of orientation patches | 23:28 |
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| w00t_ | that is also possible, true | 23:28 |
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