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| timeless_w7ip | understanding GL isn't useless if you want to write WebGL :) | 00:01 |
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| ali1234 | yeah because my browsing experience isn;t slow enough yet, what it really needs is 3d graphics everywhere | 00:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | yep! | 00:03 |
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| ali1234 | i've never really looked at webgl, but if it involves writing in some kind of javascipt/opengl binding, then, no thanks | 00:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | you don't have to write it | 00:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | we've already done it | 00:04 |
| ali1234 | i kind of assumed it was more like vrml | 00:04 |
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| timeless_w7ip | nope it's more or less pure GLEs | 00:04 |
| ali1234 | GLES is pretty horrible to code | 00:04 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sounds great, doesn't it? | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | oh lordy, define all your meshes in javascript arrays | 00:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | yep | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | and your fragments as strings | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | fail | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | this is exactly what i wanted 10 years ago :) | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | so does it have a built in scenegraph DOM? | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | i'm guessing it doesn't | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | so in order to do anything good with webgl... i have to write a whole 3d engine... in javascript | 00:11 |
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| ali1234 | whoever manages to actually do that first will have a nice little project | 00:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | pretty much | 00:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | otoh, people have been doing 3d engines in js for a while | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | yeah, but only out of sheer bloodymindedness | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | none of them are actually useful | 00:12 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah well | 00:12 |
| timeless_w7ip | who needs useful? | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | people write raytracers in javascrip too, but only because they can | 00:12 |
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| ali1234 | the webgl examples are just silly | 00:14 |
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| tj83|mini_ | CosmoHill lcuk more issues problems with wifi compile. http://pastebin.com/CGq3eKs8 http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html | 00:58 |
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| CosmoHill | yes, they look like problems | 01:04 |
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| lcukn900 | tj83 so you got the command line parameter wrong and muscled through regardless? | 01:08 |
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| lcukn900 | the first line saying development-tools as a package not found mightv been a clue ... | 01:09 |
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| Termana | morning | 01:20 |
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| lcukn900 | hi termana \o | 01:24 |
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| berndhs | Termana: afternoon | 01:25 |
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| pauly | hi | 02:22 |
| pauly | i want to download off the obs? do i ave to register | 02:23 |
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| pauly | im using 1.1 on aspire one | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | hold on a second | 02:24 |
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| CosmoHill | you can download without registering | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | http://repo.pub.meego.com/ | 02:27 |
| lcuk | pauly, normally you download from a repository which is at the far side of the OBS itself. CosmoHill happily pointed you to one of the such repositories | 02:29 |
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| * lcuk beds | 02:37 | |
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| pauly | thanks | 02:59 |
| pauly | sry my wife stold the netbook from me btw she loves meego | 02:59 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:24 |
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| tj83|mini | lcuk, all over an extra space.... | 03:30 |
| tj83|mini | where can I control the dimensions of an application window at start? for instance, i'd like to see evolution less than full screen, and some others I would like to change the default size. | 03:31 |
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| rbleader | hey guys, is there a good WLAN scanner program that would give me SSID and dbm for meego that i can use? | 04:00 |
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| tj83|mini | I'd try to get kismet running under meego, I really dont know anything about meego yet. | 04:02 |
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| tj83|mini | I'v got a question.... where do we configure the bootloader for dual booting os's? | 04:03 |
| tj83|mini | /boot/grub/menu.lst doesnt exist. | 04:03 |
| berndhs | rbleader: iwlist ? | 04:05 |
| berndhs | tj83|mini: its extlinux, not grub | 04:06 |
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| tj83|mini | berndhs, thanks. i found it | 04:06 |
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| rbleader | i'll take a look at the iwlist then | 04:07 |
| rbleader | thanks | 04:07 |
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| ddd | hello,i want to know which database can be supported in meego? | 05:00 |
| jonnor | ddd: what do you want to use it for? | 05:01 |
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| jonnor | Meego is GNU/Linux, any database that runs on GNU/Linux can be supported on Meego. That does not mean you should use any database, however | 05:02 |
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| ddd | i know MySql can be run on Linux,but,can it run on meego??? | 05:05 |
| ddd | have someone done this job? | 05:05 |
| w00t_ | as jonner just pointed out, given it's linux, yes | 05:05 |
| w00t_ | jonnor, even, ugh. | 05:06 |
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| pixelgeek | ddd: I believe sage is using mysql in his xbmc port for MeeGo. | 05:57 |
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| Texrat | anyone home? | 06:51 |
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| timoph | Texrat: not anymore. already at work :) | 06:52 |
| Texrat | such a bummer... so few peopel from US... | 06:52 |
| Texrat | people* | 06:52 |
| Texrat | and I'm the token American on your presentation panel ;) | 06:53 |
| timoph | yeah | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat: go to bed! | 06:53 |
| timoph | :) | 06:53 |
| Texrat | you added me so I could talk about what doesn't work :P | 06:53 |
| timoph | Texrat: did you try the tablet image with ideapad already? | 06:54 |
| Texrat | oh crap! Landesk push about to reboot my laptop | 06:54 |
| Texrat | no, not yet | 06:54 |
| Texrat | is there a simple one an idiot like me could use? | 06:54 |
| Texrat | the current netbook build works so well for me I hate to risk changing | 06:54 |
| timoph | run it from a usb stick | 06:55 |
| timoph | that's what I'm doing | 06:55 |
| Texrat | good idea | 06:55 |
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| Texrat | I need to buy anothe rone. what size is yours? | 06:56 |
| timoph | I'm using a 4GB stick for it | 06:56 |
| Texrat | wow | 06:56 |
| Texrat | GeneralAntilles, the weekend call I have to do throws off my sleep | 06:56 |
| Texrat | which is why I missed council meeting today :( | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mean yesterday? | 06:57 |
| Texrat | I was on conference call from 10 PM to 11:30 PM, then again from 1AM to 7AM | 06:57 |
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| Texrat | yesterday and today | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds awesome. | 06:57 |
| Texrat | ... | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you have some awesome shit to do. | 06:58 |
| Texrat | it's insane | 06:58 |
| Texrat | right | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell are you conferencing with? | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Chinese? | 06:58 |
| Texrat | I wait for people to report how their software changes went | 06:58 |
| Texrat | India | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 06:58 |
| Texrat | it's the stupidest thing to do | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | Sounds like it | 06:58 |
| Texrat | my boss is paranoid and micromanaging | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | Always a good way to be. | 06:58 |
| Texrat | wtf-- GAN900 and GeneralAntilles??? | 06:59 |
| Texrat | I *knew* you were 2 different people! | 06:59 |
| timoph | :) | 06:59 |
| GAN900 | There are things occupying my Tower. | 06:59 |
| Texrat | I actually typically do 30 min work on an 8 hour conference call | 06:59 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 07:00 |
| Texrat | and the help desk SHOULD be doing it | 07:00 |
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| Texrat | I'm a frigging analyst and dba and I'm playing ticket jockey | 07:00 |
| Texrat | waste of my time | 07:00 |
| Termana | Looks like I re-entered at just the right time | 07:01 |
| Texrat | but a recruiter called me Friday about a job with AT&T :D | 07:01 |
| Termana | :p | 07:01 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:01 |
| GAN900 | Sweet | 07:01 |
| GAN900 | You can help them deploy the 4G network they keep advertising. | 07:01 |
| Texrat | yeah, we'll see. Pay is right | 07:01 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:01 |
| Texrat | they just want dba and report automation work, fine by me | 07:02 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, do you hook your finger around charging lead whilst using it? | 07:32 |
| lcuk | (which would give a slightly sideways, slightly downwards pressure without realising it) | 07:33 |
| Texrat | lcuk, what? no | 07:35 |
| Texrat | I plug in, leave it alone | 07:35 |
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| iekku | good morning | 07:41 |
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| Tumi_ | morning! | 08:33 |
| Tumi_ | how was the weekend? | 08:33 |
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| iekku | Tumi_, morning :) | 08:34 |
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| lcuk | Tumi_, weekend was busy | 08:35 |
| lcuk | many people were peeking at the tablet ux on n900 | 08:35 |
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| lcuk | the qt qml component applications: I gather they can be run individually outside of the specific tablet ux | 08:49 |
| lcuk | which would be beneficial to allowing people to get stuck in without needing to jump around image wise | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | morn JunJi | 09:06 |
| JunJi | hi goodmorning | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | happened to have seen tablet UX on ARM yet? (quite nice video out) | 09:07 |
| JunJi | no we don't have that one yet. | 09:08 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjQukhXYt-U&feature=player_embedded - Intel started releasing the sources here friday and we had it on ARM ~2-3 hours after | 09:08 |
| JunJi | we met Intel two days ago, they visited here | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 09:08 |
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| JunJi | r u also working with them? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, we're all working together in meego ;) | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | the tablet UX really improves matters a lot, it's made in QML and is really easy to fix/modify etc | 09:10 |
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| JunJi | yes, so QML is being more imporant | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | and most importantly, it performs quite nicely P | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:11 |
| JunJi | but one of my problem is that qmlviewer is not working on a device | 09:11 |
| JunJi | it's ok in emulator, but not on a device ;( | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | right, many different reasons that could be - handset UX did some stupid things with providing a "theme" plugin | 09:11 |
| JunJi | I guess, a newer image will solve this | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, hopefully | 09:12 |
| JunJi | do you have any qmlviewer problems? | 09:12 |
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| JunJi | or have you seen? | 09:12 |
| JunJi | with your images which would be 1.1 ~ 1.1.9? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | i think we had a problem when there was that "handset ux" theme plugin for qt | 09:13 |
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| JunJi | hmm.. | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | but now with tablet UX a lot of things change | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | tablet UX looks very usable on handset too, so | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | so there's some components there aren't needed anymore, like the theme plugin | 09:13 |
| thiago_home | the intel tablet UX was designed to run on mobiles too | 09:14 |
| JunJi | that's good | 09:15 |
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| lcuk | since I cannot file bugs yet, thumbnailing on the tablet ux (even on ideapad) is taking a while and getting stuck at times | 09:18 |
| JunJi | I just confirmed that currently we only have MeeGo 1.1 images | 09:18 |
| lcuk | is the internal tracker used for filing still? | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi: meego 1.1 or 1.1.90? | 09:18 |
| JunJi | just 1.1 | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok | 09:19 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, the UX will need plenty of love to be really usable | 09:19 |
| JunJi | for G-slate, and a new LG smartphone | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | well, checking out 1.1.90 could probably be an idea, a lot of very positive developments there now | 09:22 |
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| lcuk | heh seeing the "show password" box on network still with a tickbox is amusing :D | 09:27 |
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| dimpy_ | Hello | 09:28 |
| dimpy_ | I would like to know some information on meego file security | 09:29 |
| dimpy_ | i am not able to copy any file from /proc folder to any other folder | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | meego as in meego 1.2? | 09:29 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, +1 on the thumnailing | 09:31 |
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| dimpy_ | file is copied as blank | 09:31 |
| lcuk | vgrade, I have a growing list | 09:31 |
| lcuk | dimpy_, what are you copying and to where and as what user | 09:32 |
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| dimpy_ | i am trying to copy to home as root | 09:32 |
| thiago_home | dimpy_: huh? | 09:32 |
| thiago_home | dimpy_: you can't open a file in /proc? | 09:32 |
| thiago_home | dimpy_: how are you copying? | 09:32 |
| dimpy_ | i can open the file in /proc | 09:32 |
| lcuk | what file? | 09:33 |
| dimpy_ | simple cp command | 09:33 |
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| thiago_home | try cat file > /path/to/other | 09:33 |
| thiago_home | or stop trying to copy from /proc | 09:33 |
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| lcuk | and dimpy_ what files are in /proc that are required? I thought that stuff was dynamically generated and "live" data? | 09:33 |
| thiago_home | they all are. Copying from /proc makes no sense. | 09:34 |
| thiago_home | not even for testing. | 09:34 |
| lcuk | vgrade, any idea whether the photo app puts newest files at the top? | 09:34 |
| dimpy_ | i am using sp-endurance tool | 09:34 |
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| lcuk | or if this pain with refreshing the list will only get worse | 09:35 |
| thiago_home | dimpy_: I don't know what that tool is or does | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | dimpy_: sure you're not speaking of harmattan by chance? | 09:35 |
| thiago_home | dimpy_: please stop trying to copy from /proc | 09:35 |
| dimpy_ | no no not harmattan | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok | 09:35 |
| vgrade | lcuk, never seem any photos yet | 09:35 |
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| dimpy_ | to generate endurance report i need few files like /proc/stat | 09:35 |
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| dimpy_ | for meego reliabilty testing | 09:35 |
| lcuk | vgrade, on the daily testing image it has some (pinetrail) | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | dimpy_: ah | 09:36 |
| thiago_home | dimpy_: use cat to copy those files | 09:36 |
| lcuk | dimpy_, can you normally access/copy the files? on meego | 09:36 |
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| dimpy_ | no | 09:36 |
| dimpy_ | i can copy but it is copying blank file | 09:36 |
| thiago_home | using cat? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think cat /proc/stat > yourfile is probably only way | 09:36 |
| dimpy_ | yes | 09:36 |
| dimpy_ | actually sp-endurance tool is copying those files. | 09:37 |
| thiago_home | then fix it | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | dimpy_: probably relied on old kernel behaviour or something | 09:38 |
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| thiago_home | that's my thinking too | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | dimpy_: let eero tamminen (think that's the author of sp-endurance) know of the issue | 09:38 |
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| dimpy_ | ok | 09:39 |
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| thiago_home | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 28 08:40 /proc/stat | 09:40 |
| thiago_home | some tools are expected to fail with this kind of file | 09:40 |
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| JunJi | I just tested qmlviewr on 1.1.9 | 09:51 |
| JunJi | actually the image doesn't have qmlviewer so used one of 1.1 and saw the same result | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/libmeegotouchqtstyleplugin.so , remove that | 09:52 |
| JunJi | will do right now | 09:53 |
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| thiago_home | the viewer is a developer application | 09:53 |
| thiago_home | it must be in one of the -devel packages | 09:53 |
| JunJi | yes, libqt4-devel | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: we have it in qt-qmlviewer package as well, i think | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | at least that's what i usually grab | 09:53 |
| thiago_home | it should be only in the devel package | 09:54 |
| thiago_home | people shouldn't expect it to be a tool to be used for users | 09:54 |
| thiago_home | by users | 09:54 |
| thiago_home | we eventually want to have a runtime (like /usr/bin/python), but we're not there yet in terms of security | 09:54 |
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| JunJi_ | sorry, adb gives me a blue screen often, ha. | 09:57 |
| JunJi_ | even I'm using Windows 7 | 09:58 |
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| JunJi_ | it hasn't have the /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/libmeegotouchqtstyleplugin.so already, hmm. | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: hmm. | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: qmlviewer should launch then | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | any other files there? libdui or somethng | 10:01 |
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| JunJi_ | it's running but not working properly just drawing a black box or nothing.. | 10:02 |
| JunJi_ | will try libdui now | 10:02 |
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| JunJi_ | Do I just type 'libdui' (seems like not a excutable binary) | 10:02 |
| JunJi_ | ? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | just if a file with libdui in it was in the styles/ directory | 10:03 |
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| JunJi_ | actually it doesn't have './styles' itself. | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:03 |
| JunJi_ | this device is 1.1.0 | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah true | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | what error are you getting from it? | 10:04 |
| JunJi_ | well, it's starting with many messages looking not good. The very first thing is 'MTheme : Failed to open theme librarty : "meegotouchviews" | 10:05 |
| JunJi_ | and several messages started with 'MAssembly: Styleshhet missing ...." | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 1.1.. | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 10:06 |
| JunJi_ | yep | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm trying to remember how it was that you disabled that :) | 10:06 |
| JunJi_ | Thanks a lot. | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | could you ls -lR /usr/lib/qt4/plugins and put it on a pastebin or something? | 10:09 |
| JunJi_ | sure | 10:09 |
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| JunJi_ | here we go, http://pastebin.com/qnq2XLvS | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, that's a bit surprising | 10:11 |
| thiago_home | libqtscriptdbus is still installed? | 10:11 |
| thiago_home | I don't think it was ever used for anything useful | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: 1.1, qt 4.7.0 or something i think | 10:12 |
| JunJi_ | do I need to remove that? | 10:12 |
| thiago_home | no | 10:12 |
| JunJi_ | ok | 10:12 |
| thiago_home | it should have been added to Qt 4.3 | 10:12 |
| thiago_home | I wonder what it's still doing in 4.7 | 10:12 |
| JunJi_ | hmm :( | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: 'export' as well on a pastebin | 10:12 |
| JunJi_ | yep | 10:12 |
| JunJi_ | http://pastebin.com/Dc18kM6V | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi_: and complete log of running qmlviewer | 10:14 |
| JunJi_ | My co-worker just told me that we made this image by our local OBS using 1.1 armv7 sources | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:15 |
| JunJi_ | ok | 10:15 |
| JunJi_ | so it's for armv5 | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | v5 or v7? | 10:15 |
| JunJi_ | v5 | 10:15 |
| JunJi_ | v5 from v7 sources | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | v5 isn't supported | 10:15 |
| JunJi_ | v5 isn't supporting qmlviewer? | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | no | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | meego doesn't support v5 | 10:16 |
| JunJi_ | ok, so we made it by our OBS | 10:16 |
| thiago_home | does your device at least have an FPU? | 10:16 |
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| thiago_home | it's a bad idea to use QML on a device without FPU | 10:17 |
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| JunJi_ | thank you for the hint | 10:18 |
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| JunJi_ | I don't know well about NEON, but my boss just reminded me that's why we still need armv5 images. | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | no Neon on v5 | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | our standard v7 builds don't use Neon | 10:20 |
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| thiago_home | but like I said, if you're creating a new device now without FPU, you should reconsider | 10:24 |
| lcuk | JunJi_, what screen resolution are you targeting? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: i think the story about armv5 was the vfpv3 vs vfpv3-d16 in meego arm softfp port, not necessarily the device in question | 10:26 |
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| lcuk | and thiago_home if the device is expecting lower resolution graphics then I see no reason why someone could not try? | 10:26 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: it makes a hell of a difference | 10:27 |
| thiago_home | the v5 build is unnecessarily slow | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 10:27 |
| lokesh | who is doing QA for X86 in Trunk:Testing ? | 10:27 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: v5 and no FPU is going to make things very slow | 10:27 |
| thiago_home | QGraphicsView and QML use floating point a lot. Qt container classes use atomic reference counting a lot. | 10:28 |
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| JunJi_ | ok, I just talked to my co-workers. I think if the standard v7 images aren't including NEON, there will be no reason we don't use the v7 images | 10:28 |
| thiago_home | those are going to be too slow on a regular v5 build | 10:28 |
| JunJi_ | I'm a person who really just wants to use v7 in this company :( lol | 10:28 |
| thiago_home | JunJi_: check the number of floating point registers. That might be another issue. | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: yeah, the hardfp port should match your usecase quite well | 10:29 |
| JunJi_ | it does have but will be a 16bit? not strong | 10:29 |
| lcuk | JunJi_, what target screen? | 10:29 |
| JunJi_ | let me check | 10:29 |
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| lcuk | the armv5 is n8x0 spec isn't it? | 10:29 |
| lcuk | or is that 7 | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | armv6+vfp | 10:30 |
| JunJi_ | 1280×720 Pixels WXGA | 10:30 |
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| thiago_home | not even symbian uses v5 devices anymore | 10:30 |
| thiago_home | there's just one no-FPU device released in the past 3 years | 10:31 |
| lcuk | JunJi_, which chip? | 10:31 |
| lcuk | because that is higher resolution than the ideapad even | 10:31 |
| JunJi_ | and where could I get the MeeGo 1.2 sources? one of my coworker wants to try it | 10:31 |
| JunJi_ | NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor 1GHz | 10:32 |
| JunJi_ | it's G-Slat | 10:32 |
| JunJi_ | slate | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: best thing you can do is get the coworker on here and ask about hardfp kickstart files | 10:32 |
| lcuk | :D dual core | 10:32 |
| JunJi_ | well, he is with me now | 10:32 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, does QML handle SMP? (or whever multi proc stuff is called nowadays) | 10:32 |
| * lcuk knows none of my code would - perhaps qt does | 10:33 | |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: get him to get mic2 version 0.24.6 as a start | 10:34 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: if you build for v7 with Qt 4.8, Qt is SMP-safe | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | 4.7 isn't? | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | no | 10:35 |
| JunJi_ | he is talking to me that he already tried to make an image using the hardfp kickstart files but the result image doesn't full rpms | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | missing one instruction in the atomics | 10:35 |
| JunJi_ | he is using mic2 0.24.7 the latest | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: ah, memory barriers or something | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: yes | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: Qt 4.7 doesn't have an armv7 set of instructions | 10:36 |
| thiago_home | it uses the armv6 ones | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | so for 4.8 we'll have -arch armv7? | 10:36 |
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| thiago_home | no need, just -arch arm | 10:36 |
| thiago_home | it will detect from the compiler flags | 10:37 |
| JunJi_ | so he filled out the absent rpms by rpms that vgrade provided on his wiki | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:37 |
| thiago_home | -arch armv6 will be kept for compatibility as an alias | 10:37 |
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| thiago_home | so no need to change the specs | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | good | 10:37 |
| thiago_home | the -march=armv7-a compiler flag is the trick | 10:37 |
| JunJi_ | but the image cannot start X at all | 10:38 |
| thiago_home | why not? | 10:39 |
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| JunJi_ | and the tegra2 image you gave us before also had the same problem, he just told me. | 10:39 |
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| JunJi_ | looks like a problem about qt, he will spend more time on it | 10:40 |
| thiago_home | tegra2 is vfpv3-d16 no-neon | 10:40 |
| JunJi_ | yes that might not about neon. | 10:41 |
| JunJi_ | not be | 10:41 |
| JunJi_ | hmm. | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi_: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/handset-armv7hl-generic.ks - exact command line in second line | 10:41 |
| JunJi_ | he is wondering how to start X | 10:41 |
| JunJi_ | is it by meegodm? or startdui? | 10:42 |
| JunJi_ | he tried the both | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi_: Xorg -noreset &; DISPLAY=:0 xterm | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | is a good start | 10:42 |
| JunJi_ | xterm is working well. | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to change oss/armv7hl/ and non-oss/armv7hl/ into oss/@ARCH@/ and non-oss/@ARCH@ in that kickstart fie | 10:43 |
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| JunJi_ | he went back to his desk to try to make a new image with the kickstart file | 10:48 |
| JunJi_ | thanks a lot | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | good luck - edit /etc/inittab to have X not start up automatically (comment out meego-dm line) and verify it starts normally it | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | the repo lines may change into something on repo.meego.com so if it stops working, don't be surprised | 10:49 |
| JunJi_ | will tell him, thanks. | 10:49 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 10:56 |
| lbt | morning | 10:56 |
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| igo | ping JunJi_ | 10:57 |
| JunJi_ | :p | 10:58 |
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| df_ | how to fix the meego touch screen? the Vertical touch is reversed! | 11:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyone here familiar w/ git? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | df_: SwapY in your xorg.conf probably | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | or swapaxes, i forget | 11:22 |
| thiago | it goes up when you want it to go down? | 11:22 |
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| df_ | ok,i try it | 11:23 |
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| TSCHAKeee | you know | 11:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | only in Ireland, would "Honey Crumbed Ham" be one of the "Healthy Options" on the "Breakfast" menu. | 11:24 |
| thiago | with guinness? | 11:25 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, don't ask to ask! | 11:28 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: is there a way to ask for the first commit in a git repo? | 11:29 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, I shall not offer lmgtfy but try: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/6345/get-first-git-commit-hash | 11:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i was hoping for a symbolic name | 11:33 |
| df_ | Stskeeps: i can't find xorg.conf file! but i found "devices.conf" in /etc/meegotouch on my meego-netbook, if this file do this job? | 11:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: i presume git log only applies to local repositories | 11:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | effectively what i want to be able to do is ask to only retrieve that initial revision from a remote repository | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | df_: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration | 11:35 |
| df_ | Stskeeps: thanks | 11:35 |
| lcuk | not sure timeless_w7ip | 11:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: can you reask the question somewhere? :) | 11:36 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, there are 500 people here and probably a #git channel on freenode, I am typing up a boatload of notes regarding bugs which I cannot file yet | 11:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | heh | 11:39 |
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| * timeless_w7ip wonders why they can't be filed | 11:39 | |
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| lcuk | bug 13701 | 11:39 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13701 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, REOP, No category for tablet UI | 11:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: so... technically you can file them today | 11:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | they'll just need to be moved tomorrow | 11:41 |
| * timeless_w7ip would file today | 11:41 | |
| lcuk | yes but that is messy, and actually better to make notes first and confirm things are bugs rather than just annoyances | 11:42 |
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| * lcuk especially likes the VKB covering a textbox and content not scrolling to position - even though I have keyboard open and the vkb should not even be visible at that precise moment. | 11:43 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | hrm, i think we did that w/ the n900 or some other product while in development | 11:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | always exciting | 11:44 |
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| lcuk | yeah it is a minor glitch | 11:47 |
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| ericlr | lcuk: AFAIK, Shuang is working on this today so there should be a structure available soon... | 11:50 |
| ericlr | I meant about bug 13701 | 11:50 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13701 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, REOP, No category for tablet UI | 11:50 |
| lcuk | ericlr, thanks :) there were many things discussed over the weekend | 11:50 |
| lcuk | the sooner we can get the categories organised the better. \o | 11:50 |
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| ericlr | lcuk: good if there is progress then :) | 11:51 |
| * lcuk nods | 11:51 | |
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| bkalinga | i have a small doubt, any expert there...few package turned dirty when i build them locally....now i need to revert them to the original installation of "meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime" | 12:11 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, "zypper in -f [package]" is a force reinstall? | 12:15 |
| bkalinga | lets say i have not kept track of what are the packages i modified | 12:16 |
| bkalinga | i want to get a clean of my installation | 12:16 |
| lcuk | there is a nice log of installs, perhaps even ordered by date | 12:16 |
| lcuk | then find an image and reflash | 12:16 |
| lcuk | ahhh even easier, it is qemu | 12:17 |
| lcuk | just recopy image and bish bash bosh | 12:17 |
| bkalinga | yes it is qemu | 12:17 |
| bkalinga | instead of taking entire runtime i want to take what ever is really modofied | 12:17 |
| bkalinga | how do i do that | 12:17 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, not sure and since you cannot even remember what you did, I don't think anyone else here could tell you either | 12:20 |
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| bkalinga | ok luck: let me take a fresh copy of the image | 12:23 |
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| mazdok | hi there | 14:46 |
| mazdok | do you know what's the latest kernel version I can install on a Nokia N900? | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | mazdok: 2.6.37 | 14:47 |
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| mazdok | cool | 14:47 |
| mazdok | Stskeeps, thanks | 14:47 |
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| lcukn900 | stskeeps, what kind of framerate did I see mentioned before on the controlpanel? | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | 57fps in both portrait and landscape | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | MTF one | 15:06 |
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| * lcukn900 nods | 15:07 | |
| lcukn900 | thanks I couldnt remember and laptop is dnstairs | 15:07 |
| infobot | my pleasure, lcukn900 | 15:07 |
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| dreh | hi, i'm thinking about purchasing an n900 for a daily smartphone use. What can I expect with meego for handhelds. Is it fun to use and stable? Could someone give me some insight information or point me toards the infos. TY. | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | depends, meego on n900 will only really be usable for hacker types | 15:10 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: think big, in the long term ;p | 15:10 |
| lcukn900 | dreh, maemo is stable, meego n900 has aim of the developeredition which is outlined on the wiki | 15:10 |
| lcukn900 | and w00t is right, meego will grow stronger day by day | 15:11 |
| dreh | so arm-plattform ist definietly in active development ? | 15:11 |
| * lcukn900 awestruck by solid work recently | 15:12 | |
| Stskeeps | in meego? for sure | 15:12 |
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| dreh | is it possible to dual boot ? maemo and meego ? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:12 |
| dreh | cool | 15:13 |
| dreh | is there any indication of mozilla to drop the meego/maemo plattform in future ? | 15:14 |
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| dreh | Ty for your answers | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | don't know about mozilla :) | 15:17 |
| dreh | in the mozilla FAQ it doesnt sound like it. | 15:18 |
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| lcukn900 | dreh :) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | dreh: what FAQ? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| dreh | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/faq.html | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see anything about meego/maemo there | 15:24 |
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| dreh | i meant it doesnt sound like mozilla ist changing its strategy. | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 15:29 |
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| joppu | if the "tablet" UX will be replacing the Handset UX (QML replacing MTF) how about theme support? | 16:41 |
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| joppu | is far as I know QML elements are "hard coded" | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | joppu: there's some degree of theme engine | 16:42 |
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| berndhs | Stskeeps: there is ? | 16:42 |
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| joppu | I'm kinda perplexed with all this "hey guise let's rewrite everything" -mentality | 16:43 |
| joppu | hildon -> MTF -> QML | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully qml is the toolkit to end all toolkits | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | you can do all uis in there | 16:45 |
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| joppu | so there are unifying widgets | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:45 |
| gabrbedd | joppu: Ha, I thought the same thing when I started digging in to the MTF. :-) | 16:46 |
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| joppu | since until now it has been "write your own UI from scratch" | 16:46 |
| joppu | QL that is | 16:46 |
| joppu | *QML | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: there's "MeeGo UX components" | 16:46 |
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| joppu | those were the ones that went offline? | 16:46 |
| berndhs | there are goind to be MeeGo components and desktop componenents and Symbian components | 16:47 |
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| timeless_office | joppu: so... | 16:48 |
| berndhs | so you can write every UI at least 3 times | 16:48 |
| timeless_office | you don't want to be on an unsupported toolkit | 16:48 |
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| timeless_office | and the toolkit devs make mistakes | 16:48 |
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| timeless_office | the mistakes are hopefully learned from and influence the next toolkit | 16:49 |
| w00t_ | berndhs: thre is a lot of overlap, so it's not necessarily a case of 'write it again' | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | but sadly hildon/MTF/QML was basically a series of internal power struggles | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | and we were "open", we shared the results of each power struggle | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | instead of properly hiding them from you | 16:49 |
| berndhs | w00t_: yes one would hope that | 16:49 |
| timeless_office | it's a hazard of release early, release often | 16:49 |
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| timeless_office | joppy, btw "guise" is like "disguise", you want "guys" like "dolls" | 16:50 |
| joppu | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=guise | 16:50 |
| joppu | yeah, so? :P | 16:50 |
| timeless_office | please keep 4chan out of here! | 16:51 |
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| joppu | please do forgive my unappropriate expression | 16:53 |
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| timeless_office | forgiven | 16:55 |
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| joppu | got to put [sic] in there next time! | 16:55 |
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| w00t_ | did someone break build.meego.com? it looks rather stuck (http://build.meego.com/monitor hasn't changed in the past half hour i've been looking) | 17:21 |
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| X-Fade | w00t_: Most of the time that is because the webui delayed job handler is stuck. | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: The actual obs is still working then, but it just doesn't update the monitor. | 17:23 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: I suppose, though my packages have also stayed blocked for quite a long time now | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | OBS Trunk:Testing is rebuilding | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that is just a resource issue :) | 17:24 |
| * w00t_ grumbles | 17:24 | |
| X-Fade | w00t_: build on cobs :) | 17:24 |
| w00t_ | I find it slightly ironic that cobs was split ostensibly to prevent resource issues, and yet, cobs is less contested | 17:25 |
| w00t_ | :P | 17:25 |
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| X-Fade | w00t_: Use it to your advantage? | 17:25 |
| w00t_ | I might, next time I need to do this | 17:25 |
| w00t_ | I've already set everything up and uploaded stuff, so I guess I'll leave it for now | 17:25 |
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| timeless_office | heh | 17:26 |
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| X-Fade | w00t_: copypac ? | 17:28 |
| w00t_ | hm? | 17:29 |
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| pavlix | how do I downgrade a package to the version in repository? | 17:53 |
| gabrbedd | pavlix: sudo zypper dup | 17:53 |
| gabrbedd | pavlix: `zypper dup --help` for more options | 17:53 |
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| pavlix | gabrbedd: didn't work for me | 17:54 |
| pavlix | gabrbedd: it wanted to downgrade all packages and listing them didn't work | 17:54 |
| gabrbedd | pavlix: For downgrading a single package you have to give it the full version name: (e.g. zypper install --force fubar-1.2.3-4.5-i586) | 17:54 |
| gabrbedd | ...or something like that. | 17:55 |
| pavlix | gabrbedd: is it possible to search for all available versions? | 17:55 |
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| gabrbedd | pavlix: I think so... but I don't recall how. | 17:55 |
| pavlix | gabrbedd: got it | 17:55 |
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| pavlix | gabrbedd: thanks anyway | 17:55 |
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| gabrbedd | pavlix: Besides, zypper is so frigging slow (for me) that it's easier just to browse the package repos directly at http://repo.meego.com/ | 17:59 |
| pavlix | gabrbedd: for me it works well | 17:59 |
| pavlix | gabrbedd: I'm using yum on Fedora :) there are not so many slower tools :D | 18:00 |
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| pavlix | zypper works like a flash (not Adobe Flash :)) comparing to yum | 18:00 |
| gabrbedd | pavlix: There's a bug on the zypper slowness. It wasn't always this way, and isn't happening for everyone. Something happens that causes zypper to crawl. (Minimum operation time is like 20 secs per usage) | 18:02 |
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| pavlix | gabrbedd: I'm on Meego 1.0 + some modifications | 18:03 |
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| pavlix | so I'm sort of living in the past :) | 18:03 |
| gabrbedd | pavlix: I'm on MeeGo 1.1.90 + a bunch of modifications :-) | 18:04 |
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| pavlix | gabrbedd: I would rather be | 18:04 |
| pavlix | It'd saved me days of development and debuggng | 18:04 |
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| pavlix | unfortunately, it's not an option | 18:04 |
| gabrbedd | pavlix: Except when a daily build breaks your system... | 18:04 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: do you have a googledocs? | 18:08 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: like for dublin | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: there's an XLS export that i'm using a bit, this time around we're supposed to have a voting mechanism on there | 18:09 |
| thiago | right | 18:09 |
| thiago | but I was wondering on the classification | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 18:10 |
| thiago | like I did last time, it helped me greatly | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | that was the topic keywords thing? | 18:11 |
| thiago | yes | 18:11 |
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| timeless_office | stskeeps/thiago: does anyone from Qt-Mobility lurk around here? | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: you accept .ods? | 18:12 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: sure | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, mailing what i have currently, little more easier to explain then :) | 18:12 |
| thiago | ok | 18:12 |
| thiago | does the export have the Track info (from the website)? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but that's actually us who's supposed to fill that in | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | only people with admin has put it there ;) | 18:13 |
| thiago | ok | 18:13 |
| thiago | I was thinking of using that as one keyword | 18:13 |
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| thiago | with a second keyword for sub-track | 18:13 |
| thiago | e.g. "App Development" "Qt Components" vs "App Development" "MTF" | 18:14 |
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| * thiago will switch to his personal email for this, as next week he'll have spotty VPN connection | 18:14 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: sent to your @kde.org mail - basically i've been doing a mix of evaluation and putting proposals into the different areas from our CfP | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and then ranking them within their area | 18:15 |
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| thiago | 181 submissions, right? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:16 |
| iekku | I don't envy you guys :D | 18:16 |
| * thiago has a private submission to share | 18:17 | |
| thiago | will send to you and dirk now | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | we still have "late breaking news" don't we? | 18:17 |
| thiago | I don't know many | 18:18 |
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| thiago | ok, I've got your spreadsheet open | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | sheet2 is the one i was talking about, first one is basically the xls + me keeping track of which ones i've processed | 18:19 |
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| thiago | oh, you've got the abstracts pasted | 18:20 |
| thiago | good, full offline work | 18:20 |
| * thiago has an 11-hour flight coming | 18:20 | |
| thiago | but only 6 hours of battery (less with OOo open) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | you might want to do a export since it seemed a little flaky and missing the session description | 18:20 |
| iekku | thiago, try to sleep also? | 18:20 |
| thiago | iekku: can't sleep on day flights | 18:20 |
| iekku | thiago, uh | 18:20 |
| berndhs | thiago: watch the scenery, take pictures | 18:21 |
| * Stskeeps can't sleep if there's the slightest daylight either.. wonder how that'll work for his US trip | 18:21 | |
| thiago | berndhs: greenland is not a very nice view | 18:21 |
| berndhs | thiago: fascinating pics on the coastline though | 18:21 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, remember NOT to move to lapland :D | 18:21 |
| thiago | and I don't have window seats | 18:21 |
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| * thiago prefers aisle seats | 18:22 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: hrm, i think i just hit gold for offline work | 18:23 |
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| CosmoHill | isn't greenland white and iceland green? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: /query thiago | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 18:23 |
| npm | Stskeeps: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1340179/pdf/bmjcred00232-0020a.pdf (re jet lag adjustment) | 18:23 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: so sheet2 you've created "sessions you'd like to see" and tried to schedule stuff there? | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: sheet2 is categorization and then i ran through first what would be interesting at first in each category, ie, "should be there", and then lesser so | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm only 1/4 through, ;) | 18:25 |
| thiago | good | 18:25 |
| thiago | I'll do my own scheme, though | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 18:25 |
| thiago | I'll read them all and categorise them | 18:25 |
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| thiago | I'll immediately give the lowest score for anything not fitting the conference | 18:26 |
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| * thiago switches to opera to try and change his seat reservations | 18:28 | |
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| thiago | khtml can't load the page, webkit doesn't show the airplane map, firefox doesn't start | 18:29 |
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| CosmoHill | sounds like a hat trick | 18:30 |
| thiago | opera doesn't render it properly either | 18:30 |
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| thiago | and it doesn't open the second window (for the second flight) after you closed the first; you have to save the reservation and start over | 18:31 |
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| berndhs | optimized for IE3 ? | 18:31 |
| thiago | who knows... | 18:32 |
| thiago | lufthansa's miles-and-more website | 18:32 |
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| * thiago is impressed at how well the new Microsoft Exchange 2010 web access works in webkit | 18:32 | |
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| thiago | let's hope eyjafjallajökull stays quiet this year | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: in case you ever need it, sf2011.meego.com/node/<ID> will get you to the presentation with that ID | 18:42 |
| thiago | yep | 18:42 |
| thiago | used that often for dublin | 18:42 |
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| thiago | no dawn yet... | 18:46 |
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| timeless_office | thiago: close to sunset :) | 19:01 |
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| thiago | the N900 can't log in anymore | 19:03 |
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| timeless_office | thiago: that's what you get for using harmattan ;-) | 19:06 |
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| * timeless_office is happy w/ fremantle | 19:06 | |
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| timeless_office | gah, the n8 dialer/sip integration is awful | 19:08 |
| * timeless_office can't call +18005558355 w/ it | 19:08 | |
| * thiago decides then to make a one-hour international regular call on his Harmattan device instead | 19:09 | |
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| timeless_office | good luck with that :) | 19:09 |
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| thiago | regular calls work fine | 19:10 |
| thiago | I'm not paying the bill | 19:10 |
| timeless_office | for an hour? :) | 19:10 |
| timeless_office | hey, i haven't racked up a large phone bill in over a year :) | 19:10 |
| thiago | I had 3500 kr for January | 19:10 |
| thiago | ~450 € | 19:10 |
| timeless_office | that's boring | 19:11 |
| timeless_office | my favorite is >3000EUR :) | 19:11 |
| * CosmoHill spends £70ish a year | 19:11 | |
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| * pavlix is laughing at Vodafone since started using VoIP | 19:12 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: do we handle BoFs like a seperate "track" like last time? | 19:12 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: yes, as a track | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:12 |
| thiago | amy says the list of rooms is on the wiki | 19:12 |
| thiago | let's see if I can find it | 19:13 |
| timeless_office | pavlix: i wouldn't laugh too loud | 19:13 |
| timeless_office | they'll probably raise their data rates or lower their bandwidth allocation :) | 19:13 |
| timeless_office | pavlix: we laugh because our employer picks up the tab, so when our employer's SIP falls over, our employer gets to pay for the old fashioned stuff | 19:14 |
| thiago | let's see: 700 + 200 + 200 + 110 + 110 + 200 | 19:14 |
| thiago | so six rooms | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 19:14 |
| thiago | 110 is too big for a bof | 19:15 |
| thiago | I wonder if it can be subdivided | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be good, 50 is a nice small size | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_office: that did that last year | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | not big enough to hide in | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | went from 25MB for £1 to 15MB | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | actually they charged you £1 for 1MB and give you 14MB for free | 19:17 |
| timeless_office | clever | 19:17 |
| timeless_office | that means they could charge you for 1MB and give you 4MB free next year :) | 19:18 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: http://sanfranciscoregency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/sfors/floorplan.pdf | 19:18 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: looks like they can be partitioned | 19:19 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: I'd break the two seacliff 110 rooms to four 55 | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | think we should get a conversation going on meego-events@ then | 19:20 |
| * thiago needs to subscribe | 19:20 | |
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| CosmoHill | timeless_office: I'm on pay as you go, if you top up £10 they give you 300 texts and 500MB internet | 19:22 |
| * timeless_office lost a lot of money to O2 UK/O2 IE | 19:22 | |
| * timeless_office thinks they're all crooks | 19:22 | |
| * CosmoHill is on Vodafone | 19:22 | |
| CosmoHill | if you use a lot of internet you'd probably be better off with three.co.uk | 19:23 |
| timeless_office | i tend to use unlimited internet for about a week at a time | 19:25 |
| timeless_office | i.e. potentially 10-20 gb / 1 week | 19:25 |
| timeless_office | and then nothing for 51 weeks | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | god lord | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | good* | 19:26 |
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| timeless_office | god = lord ? :) | 19:26 |
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| timeless_office | cosmohill: well... i travel to places for about a week at a time | 19:27 |
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| timeless_office | when i'm there, i'm likely to VoIP calls, download os updates for a bunch of OSs + flashable images + DVCS clones + ... | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, this guy should get points.. he uploaded slides -before- the conference | 19:27 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: if the sip's down... I can choose | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | I've seen 12GB mobile wifi hot spot for £122 :/ | 19:28 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: btw, I'm converting people to Jabber telephoning | 19:28 |
| timeless_office | pavlix: i'm moving people to Gtalk/Skype | 19:28 |
| timeless_office | jabber is too confusing and has no benefits | 19:28 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: I can't move people to Skype | 19:28 |
| timeless_office | why not? | 19:28 |
| timeless_office | (already there? :) | 19:28 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: because I can't use it | 19:29 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: security reason | 19:29 |
| * timeless_office shrugs | 19:29 | |
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| pavlix | timeless_office: it's a spyware | 19:29 |
| timeless_office | iirc the us gov had a crypto plugin for skype | 19:29 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: and I don't see any point in bringing them to SIP over jabber | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_office: I can't remember who did it but one of the companies gave you XGB of data that didn't expire in 30 days | 19:29 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: let's discuss the rooms with Dirk and Amy when Dirk is back then | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_office: have you considered using BT? I think they give you access to wifi hotspots as well as mobile internet | 19:30 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: he said he was going to be unavailable until the end of the month. That's Thursday :-) | 19:30 |
| npm | where can i find image meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.99.0.20110325.2 -- http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ doesnt have a 1.1.99 (???) | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: alright | 19:31 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: I can't compare the protocols right now.... but I'm using Telepathy/Empathy | 19:31 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: but just some brainstorming here: | 19:31 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: and there Jabber is easy... SIP doesn't even have a contact list... but it may be the server's problem | 19:31 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: if we split the Seacliff in 4 rooms, we'll have 4 presentation rooms + 4 BoF rooms | 19:32 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: but if I compare the current situation of Jabber and SIP... Jabber works out of the box and SIP usually not | 19:32 |
| timeless_office | SIP can reuse the normal contact set | 19:32 |
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| timeless_office | at least, that's how i use it | 19:32 |
| timeless_office | not sure about sip directories, iirc in theory they support such things | 19:32 |
| gabrbedd | npm: downloads.meego.com -- see the meege-release ML for direct URL's | 19:32 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: how many non-BoF sessions do we need to schedule? | 19:32 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: in Jabber, I'm using a server-side roster... and for every contact I have zero, one or two icons.... displaying whether they can do audiochat, videochat, or none of them | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: well, there's not terribly many BoF's, think they are more likely to happen as late breaking | 19:33 |
| * timeless_office nods | 19:33 | |
| timeless_office | my problem w/ jabber is that federation is a disaster and confusing | 19:33 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: yeah, I was thinking of leaving room in the later days in the BoF for impromptu meetings | 19:33 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: sorta like the unconference | 19:33 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: that's it, SIP supports stuff in theory, Jabber works with stuff out of the box | 19:33 |
| gabrbedd | npm: The daily builds are on DMC. The weekly builds make it to RMC. Expect another weekly build tomorrow around 6PM CDT | 19:33 |
| * timeless_office coughs | 19:33 | |
| pavlix | timeless_office: federation is the main advantage :) | 19:33 |
| timeless_office | the amount of pain i had from jabber.... | 19:33 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: without it... it would be just SIP with better text-chatting support... | 19:34 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: let's say we keep the same format as Dublin but end at 5:10 | 19:34 |
| pavlix | but SIP can do federation too, in theory, no? | 19:34 |
| npm | gabrbedd: actually, i have a simpler question. Is there a release available with connman 0.71 or an RPM for it? | 19:35 |
| timeless_office | yeah sip can federate too | 19:35 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: that's 4x4 sessions per morning and 5x4 sessions per afternoon | 19:35 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: and e-mail (though simple) is naturally a federating service and has been since long | 19:35 |
| pavlix | *simpler | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | We doing an unconference this time? | 19:35 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: so Monday is 20 sessions, Tuesday is 36, Wednesday is 36 | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | gan900: didn't they announce no unconference? | 19:36 |
| thiago | GAN900: not the same way | 19:36 |
| thiago | we'll have on-the-spot schedulable areas | 19:36 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: I can't imagine having a non-federated e-mail :) | 19:36 |
| thiago | but not a full day | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | pavlix: facebook? | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | linkedin? | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | timeless_office, I missed it if so. | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | orkut? myspace? ... | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | there are dozens of unfederated mail systems | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | and they're all shiny | 19:36 |
| timeless_office | the spam volumes in unfederated mail are much better than w/ federated mail :) | 19:37 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: let's say we end on Wednesday at 3:30pm to let people catch their flights, so that reduces to 28 | 19:37 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: that's 84 sessions to schedule | 19:37 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: facebook is not federated and is one single point of failure | 19:38 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: with 5 rooms, it's 105; with 6 it's 126 | 19:38 |
| timeless_office | it's a happy point of failure :) | 19:38 |
| * timeless_office hasn't heard of a failwhale for facebook | 19:38 | |
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| timeless_office | http://www.google.com/images?q=fail+whale | 19:39 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: linkedin is paid.... free part of likedin is nonsense (I don't say paid part isn't) | 19:39 |
| * timeless_office shrugs | 19:39 | |
| pavlix | timeless_office: facebook fails for me many times a month | 19:39 |
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| timeless_office | my point is merely that unfederated exists | 19:39 |
| timeless_office | and that most of them (i can't speak for all of them) have a lower amount of "spam" | 19:40 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: that's a very weak point then :) | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_office: http://www.three.co.uk/Mobile_Broadband/Choose_a_price_plan/Pay_As_You_Go | 19:40 |
| timeless_office | cosmohill: way too expensive | 19:40 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: Mobile phones are federated, e-mail is, IRC is selectively federated :) | 19:40 |
| timeless_office | irc splits at times | 19:41 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: sure it does | 19:41 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: internet splits at times :) | 19:41 |
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| timeless_office | very rarely | 19:41 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: very often | 19:41 |
| gabrbedd | npm: I don't know. I'm not at a place where I can check ATM. | 19:41 |
| pavlix | timeless_office: even when I unplug my router at home, internet splits :) | 19:42 |
| * timeless_office doesn't consider that a split | 19:42 | |
| pavlix | (let's not be talking about private addresses, I'm using public IPv6 and public IPv4) | 19:42 |
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| pavlix | timeless_office: oh, you're thinking Tier1, aren't you? :D | 19:44 |
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| timeless_office | more or less :) | 19:44 |
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| * pavlix is much lower than Tier1, so he has different point (or let's say angle) of view | 19:45 | |
| npm | gabrbedd: http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/1.1.90/1.1.99.0.20110325.85/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/ says it's still got da bugs ( connman-0.69.2-1.2.i586.rpm ) | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_office: what you need is an external wifi card and a pringle can | 19:46 |
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| timeless_office | cosmohill: what i need right now is someone to file bugs for me to various vendors | 19:47 |
| timeless_office | (e.g. freedesktop?) | 19:47 |
| timeless_office | can i interest you in a couple? | 19:47 |
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| timeless_office | aww, they won't bite.. | 19:48 |
| timeless_office | not immediately | 19:48 |
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| loft306 | ha timeless_office | 19:50 |
| timeless_office | hello | 19:50 |
| loft306 | too stiff sore ect ect.... to work till the pill kicks in | 19:51 |
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| timeless_office | stskeeps: i don't suppose you know what Xge is? | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 20:00 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | hi | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hi | 20:25 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: I sent l. another message, hope he replies... | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | not a requirement, just saw two talks and thought one merged one could be perhaps better | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: btw, did you happen to follow bug 14201? because udev is in some circumstances not settled when xorg starts up and some devices "upgrade" using udev change events, xorg ends up ignoring input devices it would normally have | 20:28 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14201 maj, High, ---, visegradi, RESO FIXED, At times Xorg does not recognize all devices reported by udev on first boot | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | just wondering if you might have seen something like that when using fastinit on other devices | 20:28 |
| auke | Stskeeps: I'd rather merge talks | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | we have a fix and wondering if 'intel' side could be interested in it too | 20:28 |
| auke | Stskeeps: uxlaunch blocks if udev isn't settled | 20:28 |
| auke | but, very interested in a 'fix' | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think it does | 20:29 |
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| auke | well | 20:29 |
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| auke | it has a 10sec timeout | 20:29 |
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| auke | uxlaunch.c:if (system("/sbin/udevadm settle --timeout 10") != EXIT_SUCCESS) | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:29 |
| auke | it should print a warning in uxlaunch.log | 20:30 |
| auke | check if you get that | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | let me check the source | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i was thinking of fastinit btw, not uxlaunch when saying i don't think it does :) | 20:31 |
| * Stskeeps learns something new | 20:31 | |
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| auke | fastinit ignores settle | 20:31 |
| auke | but the startudev script already does settle | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:32 |
| auke | async though :) | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, think we might have enough to convince of the need of this patch backported then | 20:33 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | maybe a silly question.. but anyway... i've been searching for a used nokia n900 do you guys think 200€ is a fair price for the device? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | o0-Dan-0o: original price was like 600 eur i think | 20:33 |
| timeless_office | 200 boxes? | 20:33 |
| * timeless_office would only pay w/ standard currencies, not boxes | 20:34 | |
| Stskeeps | auke: as it would help some rare cases where udev settling takes longer than 10 sec | 20:34 |
| o0-Dan-0o | XD | 20:34 |
| o0-Dan-0o | euros | 20:34 |
| auke | there are plenty of those, that's not so rare | 20:34 |
| auke | Stskeeps: patch? | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | auke: yeah, for the bug 14201 | 20:34 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14201 maj, High, ---, visegradi, RESO FIXED, At times Xorg does not recognize all devices reported by udev on first boot | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | we got it into xorg upstream so | 20:34 |
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| timeless_office | o0-Dan-0o: froogle says you can get it for less (or more) | 20:35 |
| timeless_office | looks like around 140USD if you're in the US and willing to buy from a human instead of a store | 20:36 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | =/ i'm in europe | 20:37 |
| auke | Stskeeps: oh nice, you fixed xorg | 20:37 |
| * timeless_office shrugs | 20:37 | |
| Stskeeps | after debugging it for 6 hours straight on figuring out why on earth it broke :) it exhibited as a broken Fn button for us | 20:37 |
| timeless_office | overpaying is standard in EU | 20:37 |
| timeless_office | so yeah, 200EUR seems reasonable :) | 20:37 |
| o0-Dan-0o | (Portugal) average price is 200eu + | 20:37 |
| o0-Dan-0o | *overpaying is standard in EU* doh! XD | 20:38 |
| o0-Dan-0o | thanks for the opinion =) | 20:39 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ...since it's a device from 2009 i was thinking maybe... it's a bit 'overrated' | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | o0-Dan-0o: it's still very workable | 20:43 |
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| timeless_office | o0-Dan-0o: there are still US places offering it for around 350USD | 20:45 |
| timeless_office | which is closer to your 200EUR | 20:45 |
| o0-Dan-0o | wow :| | 20:46 |
| timeless_office | really. try using froogle.com/ | 20:46 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | see what i mean | 20:46 |
| timeless_office | a quick search will give you a reasonable view of the world | 20:46 |
| o0-Dan-0o | haha right.. | 20:46 |
| auke | Stskeeps: seems sage pushed it to devel:x11:trunk already | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: yep | 20:47 |
| auke | well cool, seems like a real bug with a real fix | 20:47 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i've seen 3bay.. | 20:48 |
| o0-Dan-0o | no doubt US has it cheaper | 20:48 |
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| * timeless_office pokes sage randomly | 20:57 | |
| * Sage pokes timeless_office with bigger stick | 20:57 | |
| timeless_office | sage: you deal w/ XOrg? | 20:57 |
| timeless_office | can i get you to look through bugs.meego.com and possibly send some bugs upstream? | 20:58 |
| timeless_office | (and/or move them to whereever they belong in bugs.meego.com) | 20:58 |
| Sage | timeless_office: Well, I just submitted one bug fix from upstream to meego to fix an issue. That is pretty much all I have worked with Xorg :) | 20:58 |
| timeless_office | sage: well, it's a start :) | 20:59 |
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| timeless_office | you can earn points w/ Xorg by sending fixes the other way :) | 20:59 |
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| Sage | Well, I still think I'm not the right person for Xorg bug triage and stuff. | 20:59 |
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| timeless_office | Sage: this is a game of "tag, you're it" | 21:00 |
| Sage | I just was quite familiar with the bug and wanted to push it to meego faster as we have the issue with N900 and it makes a lot of errors around all the apps. | 21:00 |
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| Sage | timeless_office: :) | 21:00 |
| timeless_office | i just want to get people into the habit of using bugs.meego.com some related tools and sending bugs elsewhere | 21:00 |
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| Sage | I'm not following... | 21:01 |
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| timeless_office | Sage: https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=Xorg&query_format=advanced&emailreporter1=1&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&email1=timeless&emailtype1=substring | 21:03 |
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| Sage | timeless_office: I don't have comments to those. However I started to wonder that don't we have any real component for Xorg bugs? | 21:08 |
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| timeless_office | Sage: i believe that might be the case | 21:09 |
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| timeless_office | sp3000: your computer's screens are waking up and going to sleep | 21:12 |
| timeless_office | Sage: if you have an account at xorg's bugzilla, you could just report them there and leave links in bugs.meego.com | 21:12 |
| timeless_office | for bugs which will be fixed upstream, it doesn't matter where they live in bugs.meego.com so long as some people get in the habit of sending bugs upstream | 21:13 |
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| timeless_office | e.g. bug 14963 | 21:14 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14963 nor, Undecided, ---, toby.tomkins, WAIT, pj_gridlist_from_nadgrids overruns name at sizeof(name) | 21:14 |
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| timeless_office | well, there are two things, one is getting them to upstream and the other is ensuring that a maintainer downstream is paying attn to upstream and can arrange to integrate/update the downstream bug | 21:15 |
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| timeless_office | Sage: anyway, if you aren't interested in filing bugs upstream, at least try following the bug links so you can see what the other tools we have can do | 21:16 |
| timeless_office | hopefully they'll be useful sooner or later | 21:16 |
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| Sage | timeless_office: I'm not entirely sure why you are talking about this to me. :) | 21:17 |
| timeless_office | Sage: i'll talk to anyone who will listen :) | 21:18 |
| Sage | hehe :) | 21:18 |
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| timeless_office | sp3000: your computer's dual displays are worse than chrome's blinking mouse hover behavior | 21:18 |
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| mikhas | the contribution guidelines @ http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines dont talk about how patches get accepted | 21:38 |
| timeless_office | ooh shiny | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: "Thanks!"? | 21:38 |
| timeless_office | mikhas: who said anything about accepting patches? :) | 21:38 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, and that's it? then my patch is in? | 21:39 |
| mikhas | =p | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: maybe | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | suggest improvements :P | 21:39 |
| timeless_office | anyone here familiar w/ "icu"? | 21:39 |
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| timeless_office | this code is (c) 2010 IBM | 21:42 |
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| * timeless_office sighs | 22:03 | |
| * timeless_office doesn't get this | 22:03 | |
| thiago_home | maybe because it's 22:00 and you're in the office? :-) | 22:05 |
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| timeless_office | maybe | 22:08 |
| phako | timeless_office: IIRC aleksander_m has spent some time with ICU | 22:08 |
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| timeless_office | http://source.icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/tags/release-4-4/source/i18n/decnumstr.cpp | 22:09 |
| timeless_office | void DecimalNumberString::setLength(int32_t length, UErrorCode &status) { | 22:09 |
| timeless_office | uprv_memset(&fText[fLength], length - fLength, 0); | 22:09 |
| timeless_office | i can't figure out if that code exists after icu 4.4 | 22:09 |
| timeless_office | (which is the confusing part) | 22:09 |
| timeless_office | but everyone seems to use 4.4 | 22:09 |
| timeless_office | anyway, anyone here see what's wrong w/ the quoted line? :) | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | it's not in pastebin, does that count? | 22:10 |
| thiago_home | if length < fLength | 22:10 |
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| aleksander_m | timeless_office, what's wrong with it? | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | if you use that function to shrink the string, it will crash | 22:11 |
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| aleksander_m | thiago_home, why? | 22:12 |
| aleksander_m | I cannot see it :-) | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | not to mention that the arguments are reversed if you compare to memset | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | length < fLength → length - fLength < 0 | 22:13 |
| aleksander_m | thiago_home, ah you didn't see the whole file | 22:13 |
| thiago_home | if that memset function takes an unsigned for a length (like size_t), it will try to write gigabytes of data (or more) | 22:13 |
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| aleksander_m | there's an if (length > fLength) there | 22:13 |
| thiago_home | and, like I said, the arguments are reversed | 22:13 |
| timeless_office | thiago's second point about reversed arguments is the point that interested me | 22:13 |
| thiago_home | void *memset(void *s, int c, size_t n); | 22:14 |
| aleksander_m | yeah, that is confusing | 22:14 |
| timeless_office | http://source.icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/tags/release-4-4/source/common/cmemory.h | 22:14 |
| timeless_office | #define uprv_memset(buffer, mark, size) U_STANDARD_CPP_NAMESPACE memset(buffer, mark, size) | 22:14 |
| aleksander_m | and that is indeed wrong, yes | 22:14 |
| aleksander_m | http://doxygen.reactos.org/d9/dc2/cmemory_8h_af49cfa83036c25169259fcc533e8cf53.html#af49cfa83036c25169259fcc533e8cf53 | 22:14 |
| timeless_office | the labels that they use internally are less confusing than memset | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Well you know what is wrong now | 22:14 |
| timeless_office | anyway, i can't figure out if that code still exists in icu | 22:15 |
| timeless_office | all i know is that it exists in a number of hypothetical linux distros | 22:15 |
| timeless_office | because they seem to use icu4.4 | 22:15 |
| thiago_home | &fText[fLength] is also pretty ugly | 22:15 |
| thiago_home | fText + fLength sounds better | 22:15 |
| RST38h | And it is also a good idea to check arguments for validity | 22:15 |
| timeless_office | anyway, i'm going home | 22:15 |
| thiago_home | if you really want to make it ugly, &fLength[fText] | 22:15 |
| RST38h | &fText[fLength] is totally ok | 22:15 |
| mikhas | :-) | 22:15 |
| timeless_office | but if someone could plan something to make this clean somewhere, i'd appreciate it | 22:15 |
| timeless_office | bonus points for someone getting back to me w/ a url for a plan | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Not being paid for this, sorry. | 22:16 |
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| timeless_office | not asking you | 22:17 |
| timeless_office | more or less asking aleksander_m | 22:17 |
| RST38h | ahahahaa | 22:17 |
| aleksander_m | timeless_office, I'm also not paid for that :-) | 22:17 |
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| timeless_xchat | alexsander_m: do you know someone who is? | 22:18 |
| aleksander_m | timeless_office, fill a bugreport in icu, I would say | 22:18 |
| aleksander_m | they must have a bug tracking system I guess | 22:19 |
| timeless_xchat | it feels wrong filing a report against an ancient version of a product | 22:19 |
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| timeless_xchat | i wouldn't do that for mozilla or gcc or linux-kernel | 22:19 |
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| timeless_xchat | afaict, meego doesn't use this code | 22:21 |
| timeless_xchat | nokia and google do ... | 22:21 |
| timeless_xchat | well i use the word "use" loosely | 22:21 |
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| sergiusens | what would be the official way to know if I'm online? dbus+connman | 23:16 |
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| sergiusens | if I'm online from an App... not myself as a human :-P | 23:16 |
| sergiusens | some sort of contextkit already available for this? | 23:16 |
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| thiago_home | sergiusens: why do you need to know? | 23:19 |
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| sergiusens | developing an app that would basically call webservices | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | ok | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | but why do you need to know if you're online? | 23:21 |
| sergiusens | or to be more abstract use http extensively | 23:21 |
| sergiusens | user notification I guess and not generate any useless calls out into the ether | 23:21 |
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| thiago_home | you don't need to know | 23:22 |
| thiago_home | just use QNetworkAccessManager and let it make the HTTP requests | 23:22 |
| thiago_home | it will activate the connection automatically if that's possible | 23:22 |
| sergiusens | sounds logical, thanks! | 23:23 |
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| ali1234 | lots of apps like to "know" if they are online or not | 23:26 |
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| ali1234 | eg firefox offline mode | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | usually it causes more trouble than it is worth | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | you can use QNetworkSession to find out | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | but most apps don't need to know that and they instead would like to request that the internet connection be activated | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | which object would i need to override to change how http urls are fetched? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, one of those is ovi maps which insisted for long time on bringing up a connection dialog multiple times | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | it is useful to know status and act accordingly | 23:28 |
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| thiago_home | ali1234: how much change do you want? | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | thiago_home: i'm making a "way back machine" that can handle flash etc. so any kind of http request i have to redirect to my own proxy in a totally transparent manne,r including requests that come from plugins | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | and also i need to somehow insert a header or something to indicate which version of the page is desired | 23:30 |
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| thiago_home | ali1234: subclass QNetworkAccessManager and set it in the web view | 23:30 |
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| ali1234 | i see, thanks | 23:32 |
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