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| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: Yes, looking forward to that. I really want to base my build on it. | 00:03 |
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| DawnFoster | everything I've seen indicates that it should be soon | 00:03 |
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| andybleaden | DawnFoster, have you got many user stories for the conference.ie why i use meego and what i need in the future? | 00:05 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, not necessarily a ' I cant get this to work , how do I fix this etc ' more a ..this is what I use a netbook/tablet for but would like to be able to do x or y | 00:07 |
| lbt | andybleaden: are you asking as an end-user or a device-vendor ? | 00:07 |
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| andybleaden | lbt, oh I am only ever an end user..unless you want to swap my old netbook for shiny new tablet! | 00:08 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt: it turned out, that there are no packages in any project on build.pub.meego.com, so I cannot link a package with an existing one... Is it right? | 00:09 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: Thanks! | 00:09 |
| lbt | well, my personal opinion is that you should find a project making a distro for your device and ask them :) | 00:09 |
| lbt | eg - if you had an N900 you'd ask the DE project | 00:09 |
| andybleaden | lbt, I am serious though.used this tons this last 1-2 years and meego although problematic is not just hitting all my gaps | 00:09 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: nope | 00:10 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: you should be able to set a build target of MeeGo:current and it'll build | 00:10 |
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| andybleaden | lbt, and I have not got a clue about phones..or even tablets ..just netbooks | 00:10 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt: oh, I'll try) | 00:10 |
| lbt | andybleaden: I have an opinion about MeeGo ... it shouldn't care about you :) | 00:11 |
| slummer | can i develop meego on debian sid? | 00:12 |
| lbt | I think there should be a netbook project, operating in the open ... on top of MeeGo:1.2 etc ... that *does* care | 00:12 |
| lbt | slummer: yes | 00:12 |
| lbt | use the obs | 00:12 |
| slummer | obs? | 00:12 |
| lbt | it has a command line tool called osc which sets up a chroot on your machine and builds in that | 00:13 |
| andybleaden | lbt, what do you mean then | 00:13 |
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| lbt | andybleaden: -> I think there should be a netbook project, operating in the open ... on top of MeeGo:1.2 etc ... that *does* care | 00:13 |
| lbt | that project should take your use-cases and push them to meego .... and meego should aim to accept features based on ability to deliver | 00:14 |
| lbt | if your netbook project has 1 guy doing an hour a week ... then no, meego won't accept that feature | 00:14 |
| lbt | if there are 10 of us doing 10h a week .... then sure they should | 00:15 |
| lbt | all just IMHO | 00:15 |
| andybleaden | lbt, are you not happy with the netbook thing then? | 00:16 |
| lbt | ? | 00:16 |
| lbt | I'm not unhappy | 00:16 |
| slummer | i changed the /etc/apt/sources.list and 'aptitude update' 'aptitude install meego-sdk' but i am stuck on 'mad-admin create -f <target>' gives 404 not found error | 00:16 |
| andybleaden | lbt, bit like ubuntu used to have a brainstorm thing..top ideas forum | 00:16 |
| lbt | just explaining how I think it should work | 00:16 |
| andybleaden | lbt, cool | 00:17 |
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| lbt | heh ... but most OSS works this way ...... despite what the IP people say, ideas are not in short supply :) | 00:17 |
| lbt | slummer: mmm | 00:17 |
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| lbt | I don't know about the SDK ... | 00:17 |
| andybleaden | lbt, but ubuntu used to be able have a vote for things | 00:17 |
| lbt | slummer: there were some issues reported just recently.... you may want to hold on a day or 5 | 00:18 |
| andybleaden | lbt, and I think dell did too | 00:18 |
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| ali1234 | ubuntu still has brainstorm | 00:18 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, aha | 00:18 |
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| lbt | andybleaden: yeah ... I personally don't think MeeGo should take votes from end-users | 00:19 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, worried that that was a false memory | 00:19 |
| lbt | I think there should be a layer in between | 00:19 |
| slummer | k | 00:19 |
| andybleaden | lbt, layer..what like ..men in grey suits ;) | 00:19 |
| lbt | yes | 00:19 |
| andybleaden | lbt, I am joking | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | as far as netbook "UX" goes, seems like the competitors are unity, hildon, and whatever that kde thing is | 00:19 |
| lbt | I'm not | 00:19 |
| slummer | lbt: was that 'obs' directed at me? | 00:20 |
| lbt | who do you think meego's customers are? | 00:20 |
| lbt | slummer: no :) | 00:20 |
| slummer | k | 00:20 |
| andybleaden | lbt, I am one | 00:20 |
| lbt | slummer: do you want to write apps ? | 00:20 |
| slummer | yes | 00:20 |
| lbt | andybleaden: no, IMHO, you're not | 00:20 |
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| andybleaden | lbt, how come | 00:20 |
| andybleaden | ? | 00:20 |
| lbt | slummer: OK - you want the SDK then - not the OBS (just yet) | 00:20 |
| slummer | what is the 'obs'? | 00:21 |
| lbt | andybleaden: again, my opinion, MeeGo is a platform for device vendors to make cool devices | 00:21 |
| lbt | slummer: http://wiki.meego.com/OBS | 00:21 |
| lbt | andybleaden: and if you want a feature - you talk to a device vendor | 00:21 |
| lbt | *BUT* | 00:21 |
| lbt | I think we should have community "device vendors" too | 00:22 |
| lbt | so the DE project is a fully open, community driven 'grey suits' vendor | 00:22 |
| lbt | w/o the suits | 00:22 |
| lbt | and *it* should have a voice in what MeeGo does | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | wait, what's this DE project? has it got a wiki page? | 00:22 |
| andybleaden | lbt but to who (m) | 00:23 |
| slummer | lbt: thanks | 00:23 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | oh, that | 00:23 |
| lbt | yeah | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | what about netbooks? | 00:23 |
| lbt | ali1234: indeed | 00:23 |
| lbt | I see no netbook project | 00:23 |
| andybleaden | lbt, i dont need a device ..I just want a snazzier improved netbook | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | the N900 thing is more about hardware adaptation i thought | 00:23 |
| lbt | I see no developers | 00:23 |
| lbt | who's doing the work? | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | cordia? | 00:23 |
| lbt | ali1234: a bit of both | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | hildon doesn't actually need a touchscreen :) | 00:24 |
| andybleaden | lbt, ali1234 are we all? | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i'm not | 00:24 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, then me neither | 00:24 |
| andybleaden | ;) | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i don't really see the point of an aftermarket meego install anyway | 00:25 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, I just want to make my netbook work AND help others | 00:25 |
| DawnFoster | people are still working on netbook - also http://www.fujitsu.com/hk/news/pr/fpcap_20110211.html | 00:25 |
| wmarone_ | ali1234: access? there's always a point for OS installs not approved by a vendor :) | 00:25 |
| DawnFoster | hopefully other OEMs will also package meego on a netbook as a production device | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | wmarone_: sure. but i wouldn't pick meego for that | 00:25 |
| lbt | and I keep saying ... this is my opinion on how it should go... :) | 00:25 |
| andybleaden | DawnFoster, absolutley. I just adapt my device for any OS | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | wmarone_: i'd pick a *real* linux like ubuntu :) | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | trololololo :) | 00:26 |
| andybleaden | lbt, cool.what do you want then | 00:26 |
| lbt | andybleaden: I just said... | 00:26 |
| lbt | andybleaden: when was the last time you put a proposal for a feature to the linux-kernel team ? | 00:26 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, i have ubuntu on other things.not on my netbook though..not good enough for me | 00:27 |
| andybleaden | lbt, last thing I contribute I am afraid are how to guides | 00:27 |
| andybleaden | lbt, or how not to guides | 00:27 |
| lbt | andybleaden: you don't ....you vote for something shiney on ubuntu's system ... they translate that to a design that eventually needs something like DRI and that gets pushed | 00:28 |
| lbt | and I feel that meego should be like that | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | i don't think meego should even be in the business of polling end users | 00:29 |
| andybleaden | lbt, I guess expectation is limited still for me. I want mobile internet access (MOBile LINux=moblin got me hooked) | 00:29 |
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| lbt | I think we're talking at different ideas | 00:29 |
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| smoku | damn... I did a mistake and upgrade my workstation to opensuse 11.4. now I need to build osc myself :/ | 00:29 |
| andybleaden | lbt,not voted for year or so ...stuck to moblin then meego like glue | 00:29 |
| lbt | anyhow... gotta go ... bbiab :) | 00:29 |
| andybleaden | tara | 00:30 |
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| andybleaden | lbt | 00:30 |
| andybleaden | lbt, probably | 00:30 |
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| andybleaden | ali1234, do you use meego then | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | no, not really | 00:32 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, or do you float between ubuntu | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't "use" it | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | i install it, report some bugs, then go back to ubuntu | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | can't really do anything that i need to do in meego | 00:32 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, hmm..why? | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | the Ui is too crippled | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | i can't use unity either | 00:33 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, hmm re unity | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | i rarely use a netbook either | 00:33 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, not impressed..reminds me of KDE going a bit bonkers years ago | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | you mean, plasma? | 00:33 |
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| andybleaden | ali1234, I vary...on one now | 00:34 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt, when I try to build package against MeeGo:Current, obs complains that 'nothing provides rpm, nothing provides binutils, nothing provides gcc, nothing provides glibc, nothing provides rpm-build, nothing provides libtool' | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | the only time i use a netbook is when i'm diagnosing network problems on someone else's network | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | that involves a load of terminal windows and not much else | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | this usecase is extremely unsupported in all "mobile" UIs | 00:35 |
| amazon4ik_ | is seems that there a no packages present in this repo | 00:35 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: can you point me to the project | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | i also don't use facebook or twitter or any of that stuff | 00:35 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, yeh with plasmoids etc and more so with PIM and that other weird intergrated stuff bit like zeitgeist now I guess | 00:35 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Atuchkin | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | that means approximately 50% of the current netbook UI is totally irrelevant to me | 00:35 |
| andybleaden | ali1234, facebook = yuk | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | i basically only use the one panel, the "applications" panel | 00:36 |
| andybleaden | back in a mo..got to pick up wifey | 00:36 |
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| ali1234 | so it would be about a million times more efficient for me to use classic gnome | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | which is what i do | 00:36 |
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| lbt | amazon4ik_: sorry should have been MeeGo:current:Core/standard | 00:39 |
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| lbt | we're rather behind on setting this stuff up properly | 00:39 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt, I first tried to follow http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/WebUI_part_2 | 00:39 |
| lbt | feel free to correct it :) | 00:40 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt, now it seems to work) | 00:43 |
| lbt | yes - I changed your repo for you | 00:44 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt: but I still can't branch a package: "Unable to find package 'bash' in project 'MeeGo:current:Core'. " | 00:48 |
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| lbt | yes - you have to do a branch across the remote link | 00:51 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess may help | 00:51 |
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| lbt | (I've added MeeGo current Core to the list now BTW) | 00:52 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt: ok, thanks again. Will try to understand it tomorrow)) | 00:53 |
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| lbt | ok | 00:55 |
| amazon4ik_ | it all works slightly different from SUSE obs, so I got lost a little bit ) | 00:55 |
| lbt | it shouldn't be too different - we're a bit behind their version though | 00:56 |
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| Termana | morning | 01:24 |
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| berndhs | evening | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | yo | 01:42 |
| lbt | jeremiah: pin | 01:45 |
| lbt | jeremiah: needle? | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, what are you packaging? | 01:58 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: testing the Qt fix, since fabo vanished | 01:59 |
| lcuk | and you have to redo packaging? | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | the patch won't magically jump into the package by itself | 02:00 |
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| w00t_ | :) | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, what I mean is the difference between rebuilding an existing package vs having to make the package configuration itself. | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: I'm adding to the package, and rebuilding it | 02:02 |
| lcuk | oh cripes then | 02:02 |
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| w00t_ | hmm? | 02:02 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:18 |
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| * ali1234 reads about the SDK installer fail | 03:06 | |
| ali1234 | see, this is why i prefer a self contained chroot install that can be installed in a directory in my homedir and has no dependencies on my host system | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | (ie like the At SDK does) | 03:09 |
| ali1234 | *Qt | 03:09 |
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| berndhs | tihng to do is nmake the SDK run a virtual machine, and then run the SDK inside a virtual machine | 03:11 |
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| berndhs | and try to find more levels of virtuality to protect your system :) | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | that's lame and unnecessary | 03:12 |
| berndhs | yeah but its getting popular | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | the thing to do is make the SDk installer not require root | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | Qt SDK installer does not require root, and it doesn't mess with your package manager | 03:12 |
| berndhs | Qt SDK installer doesn't run on my ssytem | 03:13 |
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| ali1234 | what system is it? | 03:13 |
| berndhs | fedora 14 | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | how odd | 03:13 |
| berndhs | dont know why it doesnt run there | 03:13 |
| lcuk | just bring a stack of punch cards and queue them for a timeslice on the mainframe. errr sorry, submit tasks using XML RPC VB API cloud based compiling farm and get results once built o_O ;) | 03:14 |
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| berndhs | yeah those were the says, hand over your cards and come back the next week | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: the nokia Qt sdk actually does that if you want to build for symbian on linux | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | because there is no official symbian toolchain for linux | 03:14 |
| lcuk | that is obs. | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | no, it isn't | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | well, it might be powered by OBS | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | but it's just called "remote compiler plugin" | 03:15 |
| lcuk | src in -> obs -> packages out | 03:15 |
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| ali1234 | OBS lets you do local builds, we went through this earlier | 03:15 |
| lcuk | sure, that is additional config though, talking about principle | 03:16 |
| berndhs | i prefer to have something like OBS, so I know specifics from my setup dont creep into the package build | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | er... you know that if you use a chroot too | 03:17 |
| berndhs | yeah but if someone else does it, its more reliable | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | i suppose | 03:17 |
| berndhs | double-blind experiments and all that | 03:18 |
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| ali1234 | lcuk: have you heard of the mbed? it's like a super powered arduino... the IDE is "in the cloud" though... you type all code into web browser, then download the compiled firmware | 03:18 |
| lcuk | the only problem is time between starting a build and seeing execution | 03:18 |
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| lcuk | there is lag that a great many people expect to not occur | 03:18 |
| lcuk | ali1234, :) | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | ideally the time between build and execution should be under 5 seconds | 03:19 |
| lcuk | sounds dreamy | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | anything more than that pisses me right off | 03:19 |
| lcuk | it depends upon the project of course | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | sure | 03:20 |
| lcuk | i see many many times with playing with compilers | 03:20 |
| lcuk | time to packaging | 03:20 |
| lcuk | picture scene: you are working with source | 03:20 |
| lcuk | editing a few files | 03:20 |
| lcuk | running make | 03:20 |
| lcuk | running binary possibly | 03:21 |
| lcuk | then when you want to try it on another machine, you run the buildpackage or buildrpm or whatever | 03:21 |
| lcuk | it always does a make clean first | 03:21 |
| ali1234 | and it takes ages | 03:21 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i hate that | 03:21 |
| lcuk | :) indeed | 03:21 |
| lcuk | it has gone from the few seconds to freshen the objects | 03:21 |
| ali1234 | and of course you have to build a rpm or deb to upload it to target test device | 03:21 |
| lcuk | to needing a full rebuild | 03:21 |
| lcuk | yeah | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | so this is why nothing i write ever goes anywhere near meego until i've finished writing it | 03:22 |
| lcuk | a semi package which built from current object files | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | i test on desktop | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | when it works, i port it | 03:22 |
| lcuk | for testng | 03:22 |
| lcuk | would save time - if it could be done carefully | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | there is an even better way | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | share the build directory on NFS | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | with the target | 03:22 |
| ali1234 | and then run it instantly | 03:22 |
| lcuk | that is complex | 03:23 |
| ali1234 | sure it's complex | 03:23 |
| lcuk | I just run gcc on the target device | 03:23 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:23 |
| ali1234 | better things usually are | 03:23 |
| lcuk | simpler | 03:23 |
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| ali1234 | the situation is really no better on any other platform | 03:24 |
| lcuk | i agree | 03:24 |
| ali1234 | you have to package up the project on android or winmo... never tried on iphone | 03:24 |
| ali1234 | apk or cab, choose your poison | 03:24 |
| lcuk | starting a debug project on the device on visual studio .net was tiresome | 03:24 |
| ali1234 | when at all possible i do not use IDEs | 03:25 |
| ali1234 | because everything they do is tiresome | 03:25 |
| ali1234 | and they are so slow | 03:25 |
| ali1234 | especially eclipse | 03:25 |
| ali1234 | i liked that question about "debugging strategy" | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | when i find a bug i just read the source code until i find a mistake | 03:26 |
| lcuk | I never got further than the front door in eclipse | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | this method has not failed me yet | 03:26 |
| lcuk | far too overwhelming options wise | 03:26 |
| berndhs | eclipse just takes too long to start | 03:26 |
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| berndhs | nevermind figure out how to do anything with it | 03:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah i already decided i hated it before it even finished loading | 03:27 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:27 |
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| * lcuk likes qt-creator editor more and more | 03:29 | |
| lcuk | especially now I know about [ctrl]+[left] to navigate and follow source around | 03:30 |
| lcuk | I was missing that from vb :) | 03:30 |
| berndhs | i like xterms and my editor :) | 03:30 |
| lcuk | and could not work out how to do it | 03:30 |
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| * lcuk thinks it was thiago who told him :D | 03:31 | |
| ali1234 | ctrl+left? | 03:32 |
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| ali1234 | left click or left arrow? | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | left arrow | 03:33 |
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| ali1234 | no, left click | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | try it | 03:33 |
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| CARLIE | http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | 03:33 |
| lalou30 | http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0TG2MUHF/psyBNC2.3.2_0.rar @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | 03:33 |
| lcuk | I had a habit of following my nose and digging around code in old days :) | 03:33 |
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| Cool_Cute_Dude | http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911760&vnr=411870 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | 03:33 |
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| wolf31r-s | http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | but I couldn't work out in qt-creator how to go back to previous jump point | 03:33 |
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| ali1234 | wow coordinated spam attacks | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | errr ^^ | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | anyway, it was a frustration in qt-creator, every time I looked I could not map it cleanly :) | 03:34 |
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| ali1234 | ctrl+left does nothing special here | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | left arrow that is | 03:34 |
| lcuk | with one simple key combo, everything goes better than expected :) | 03:34 |
| lcuk | ali1234, right click on an identifier | 03:35 |
| lcuk | and click "view definition.." or someething similar | 03:35 |
| lcuk | it will jump in the code to where the function or whatever it is will be | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | "follow symbol under cursor"? | 03:35 |
| lcuk | yes | 03:35 |
| * lcuk still thinking in vb | 03:35 | |
| ali1234 | ok | 03:36 |
| ali1234 | now what? | 03:36 |
| lcuk | without that key combo in qt-creator I would have to break concentration to try and remember in which file I was in and all that | 03:36 |
| ali1234 | ctrl+left arrow still just jumps to start of previous word | 03:36 |
| lcuk | pressing that combo will take you back to original point | 03:37 |
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| lcuk | maybe alt | 03:37 |
| * lcuk giggles | 03:37 | |
| ali1234 | you could just click the yellow back arrow at the top | 03:37 |
| ali1234 | yeah alt+left arrow | 03:37 |
| ali1234 | if you ctrl-left click on something, it's same as right click + "follow..." | 03:37 |
| ali1234 | of course... my mouse has a back button... and that works too | 03:38 |
| lcuk | I had not noticed those mini icons | 03:38 |
| lcuk | they hurt my eyes and I never know which one will remove a tab panel | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | so i can mouse around that stuff | 03:38 |
| * lcuk does not touch them :) | 03:38 | |
| ali1234 | not that i ever do | 03:38 |
| lcuk | ali1234, heh | 03:38 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | i just open lots of tabs | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | could be useful tho | 03:39 |
| lcuk | just for my understanding it was enough :) | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | now i know how to go quickly to the definition i might use "back" more often too | 03:39 |
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| lcuk | it helps to learn things | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | yeah... of course you can see most stuff by just mouse-over the identifier | 03:40 |
| lcuk | hovering on variables just shows the class | 03:40 |
| ali1234 | well yeah... | 03:41 |
| ali1234 | i think less classes are better than more classes, so i don't really have a problem remembering what my classes do | 03:42 |
| ali1234 | but that's one of the classic C++ holy wars | 03:42 |
| lcuk | with classes you write, you will not have this issue. | 03:42 |
| ali1234 | you will if you are one of these people that thinks more classes = better | 03:43 |
| lcuk | ali1234, :) | 03:44 |
| ali1234 | my rule of thumb is, if you can't imagine what your class looks like (IRL), it shouldn't exist | 03:46 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:47 |
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| lcuk | I once looked around my room and for a group of things around create a component tree of everything I could consider it to be broken down into | 03:48 |
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| lcuk | I wanted to be able to take a photo and just scribble fill the area representing the part (lines and boxes are too slow, just take a highlighter marker and deliminate the area quickly | 03:49 |
| lcuk | (works really well for photos of people too :) | 03:50 |
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| ali1234 | you should patent that idea | 03:50 |
| ali1234 | then sell it to facebook | 03:51 |
| ali1234 | because that's actually really good | 03:51 |
| ali1234 | and it's not obvious (drawing a box is obvious) | 03:51 |
| lcuk | ali1234, liqbase already has scirbble islands built in | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | thing is, drawing a box often jus plain doesn't work | 03:52 |
| lcuk | it is simply a function call away and I can get the required scribbled on area | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | consider a photo of some people playing twister | 03:52 |
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| lcuk | yeah I know | 03:53 |
| lcuk | :) i have been scribbling ontop of pictures for long enough | 03:53 |
| berndhs | yeah most problems aren't planar | 03:53 |
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| ali1234 | i think you should rework liqbase into something like those nintendo DS "artist" type games | 03:57 |
| lcuk | ali1234, no | 03:57 |
| lcuk | :) liqbase can be anything. | 03:57 |
| ali1234 | not really rework | 03:58 |
| lcuk | parts of it can be focused upon that genre though, yes :) | 03:58 |
| ali1234 | sometimes people need a shove in the right direction | 03:59 |
| lcuk | indeed they do :) | 03:59 |
| ali1234 | liqbase is cool and everything, but you load it up and you're like "what now?" | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | it's like booting up your computer and getting a shell prompt | 04:01 |
| ali1234 | super powerful ... but only if you know what you are doing | 04:01 |
| lcuk | ali1234, sure, I just have mine open at side of me, lists of bugs n stuff | 04:01 |
| lcuk | i play differentgame on it now :P | 04:01 |
| lcuk | (after porting samegame) | 04:01 |
| lcuk | ali1234, at night, it is my wallclock | 04:02 |
| lcuk | the ideapad is too bright, but getting something that has better dark display | 04:02 |
| lcuk | it is my calendar | 04:03 |
| lcuk | it has all my notes on it | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | it's like that ipad video i linked the other day... OK, you probably don't want all those extra graphics that make it look like a notepad | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | but most people probably do... they'll see those graphics and think "ah, i can use it for notes" | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | familiarity and all that | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | once they get familiar with the idea then you can sell them the hard stuff | 04:03 |
| lcuk | I know, a white background nice editor is on liqpostcard | 04:04 |
| lcuk | it looks just like a postcard | 04:04 |
| lcuk | you write in black ink etc | 04:04 |
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| lcuk | you select a photo to put on the front | 04:05 |
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| ali1234 | ah yeah i've seen that one | 04:05 |
| lcuk | and then ....... I have only put baseline liqbase upload | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | it has a flip around animation too right? | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | seen it in a demo video or something | 04:05 |
| lcuk | it should go via mms or via email or via anything else - the sharing config thingies | 04:05 |
| lcuk | but I can't do it :$ | 04:06 |
| lcuk | nope, it has a kickass image select dialog and simple editing | 04:06 |
| ali1234 | i mean, it flips around between the "front" and "back" of the postcard in 3d | 04:06 |
| ali1234 | between the picture side, and the writing side | 04:06 |
| ali1234 | maybe i'm thinking of something completely different | 04:06 |
| lcuk | no :) | 04:06 |
| ali1234 | must be then | 04:07 |
| ali1234 | probably something on MS surface | 04:07 |
| lcuk | I somehow do not see you carrying around a Microsoft Table to the seaside to take an opportune sunrise. | 04:07 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | maybe it was some android video then | 04:08 |
| lcuk | you will take your Nokia phone however :) | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | maybe even some iphone app does it | 04:08 |
| lcuk | probably | 04:08 |
| lcuk | idk, it sits there waiting for better upload options | 04:09 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 04:09 | |
| ali1234 | pixel pipe? | 04:09 |
| lcuk | I just copy/paste the image and twitter the postcard for now | 04:09 |
| lcuk | idk, don't understand all the interfacing and specifics of the mechanisms | 04:09 |
| ali1234 | well pixel pipe is supposed to just handle it all for you | 04:09 |
| ali1234 | idk how it works though | 04:10 |
| lcuk | yeah sure - so patches welcome. | 04:10 |
| ali1234 | but i thought you didn't release it :) | 04:10 |
| lcuk | oh yeah | 04:10 |
| lcuk | btw, these are rough notes on getting liqbase running on meego http://liqbase.net/liqbase.from.scratch.MeeGo.txt | 04:12 |
| ali1234 | no OBS? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | no, remember our talk of run latency ;) | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah but for distributing it... | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | sure is simple to add a OBS repo and get things installed | 04:14 |
| lcuk | so obs can track repositories can't it? | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | OBS makes repositories | 04:14 |
| lcuk | and I am forever being told that the .spec files are stored outside the upstream | 04:14 |
| lcuk | so I am happy to hack into the git repo | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | well yes and no | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | there's two kinds of repo here | 04:15 |
| lcuk | because that retains compatability also with Maemo | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | source repo (like git) and package repo (like a server full of rpms or debs) | 04:15 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, my code and apps build and run happily on the n8x0 | 04:16 |
| ali1234 | so? | 04:16 |
| ali1234 | OBS won't help you with n8x0 | 04:16 |
| lcuk | so maemo4 onwards are capable of running these :P | 04:16 |
| lcuk | exactly | 04:16 |
| ali1234 | "onward" isn;t really true | 04:16 |
| lcuk | why not? | 04:16 |
| ali1234 | because the instructions you posted are for meego for one thing, not the n8x0 | 04:17 |
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| lcuk | yeah but similar were used for years directly on my n810, the notes were only just recently written but are within reason and include all required elements | 04:18 |
| lcuk | I have probably documented and described that process 10 times on tmo | 04:19 |
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| ali1234 | turning those instructions into a spec file is not all that difficult | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | you must have packaged it before, i'm sure i've seen it in the maemo repos | 04:21 |
| lcuk | yes, each of those repositories contains a complete debian/ installer | 04:21 |
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| ali1234 | lcuk: your git urls appear to be broken? | 04:27 |
| lcuk | ali1234, they should not be | 04:28 |
| lcuk | github.com/lcuk | 04:28 |
| ali1234 | liqbook is an empty repo | 04:28 |
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| lcuk | yes :$ I shall fix that, it is available on maemo servers | 04:29 |
| * lcuk will add an extra chapter first. | 04:30 | |
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| * lcuk may also mergo liqbook with liqtutor :$ | 04:33 | |
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| ali1234 | "developered" | 04:34 |
| ali1234 | sounds like something bad involving steve balmer | 04:34 |
| lcuk | nn \o | 04:35 |
| lcuk | :P | 04:35 |
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| ali1234 | bugs... | 04:43 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: have you ever tried compiling this on 64 bit platform? | 04:44 |
| ali1234 | you can't put a void* in an int on 64 bit :) | 04:44 |
| ali1234 | not all of one anyway :) | 04:45 |
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| ali1234 | i am confuse. you have get/set methods to hide the type of the tag anyway, but then the actual underlying storage type doesn't match the get/set type... why? | 04:54 |
| ali1234 | two independent sets of get/set methods for the same thing? | 05:01 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, I have not built on x64 and I know there are mistakes in there :$ | 05:21 |
| lcuk | I just have not had to build past them to date | 05:21 |
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| Hoho | hi | 10:41 |
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| Hoho | can someone help me with a xrandr problem? | 10:44 |
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| lbt | mornings here too :) | 11:46 |
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| gabrbedd | Anything like `dig` on MeeGo ? | 13:05 |
| gabrbedd | Ah: adnshost (in adns-progs) | 13:08 |
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| r4co0n | Hi@all. Where can I grab the latest build of the MeeGo-img for netbooks online? | 13:24 |
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| r4co0n | I am talking of the developer builds, not the version u can grab on meego.com homepage | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com | 13:26 |
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| r4co0n | @stskeeps gonna have a look, thanks | 13:26 |
| gabrbedd | r4co0n: Look under "MeeGo/builds/" | 13:26 |
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| gabrbedd | If the meegotouch "desktop" doesn't parse a .desktop file correctly... which program has the bug? | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | meegotouch-home | 13:56 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: in what way ? | 13:56 |
| alterego | mdesktop stuff is in libmeegotouch | 13:56 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: Chokes on "MimeType=" because there's not a trailing semicolon | 13:57 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: If there's values, it's required to have a trailing semicolon (so I'm fixing those packages that fail to)... | 13:57 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: But if the field is blank, I think that's a legitimate value. | 13:57 |
| gabrbedd | As-is, the .desktop file gets rejected and the icon won't appear. | 13:58 |
| alterego | Hrm | 13:58 |
| alterego | Strange, I thought .desktop was a .ini format, which is probably wrapped by QSettings? | 13:58 |
| alterego | But for sure there are mdesktopentry etc stuff in libmeegotouch | 13:58 |
| gabrbedd | It is... but MimeType is an "array" field thingie. | 13:59 |
| gabrbedd | OK, thanks. | 13:59 |
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| Hoho | how do i get a xorg.conf file? | 15:08 |
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| jonnor | Hoho: why do you want one? | 15:08 |
| Hoho | i conected a LCD via lvds | 15:09 |
| Hoho | and now is the Hsync and the vsync wrong | 15:09 |
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| Hoho | and the driver cant read it cause the LCD is old and has no EDID port | 15:10 |
| jonnor | Hoho: which driver? | 15:10 |
| Hoho | for the Intel GMA 3150 | 15:10 |
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| Hoho | my board is a Asus AT4NM10-I | 15:11 |
| Hoho | and the LCD is a Toshiba LTM10C286 | 15:11 |
| jonnor | Hoho: you can use xrandr to set the right mode. If you want the settings to be persistent, you can write the xorg.conf yourself | 15:11 |
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| Hoho | yes i tried that manyy times | 15:12 |
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| jonnor | you tried what? and how did it not work? | 15:12 |
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| Hoho | i created a new mode with xrandr --newmode | 15:13 |
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| gabrbedd | Hoho: don't create an xorg.conf file... instead put the parts you need in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-my-monitor.conf | 15:14 |
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| Hoho | ah ok | 15:14 |
| Hoho | thanks man i try that | 15:14 |
| gabrbedd | Hoho: If I understand correctly, making an xorg.conf might short-circuit the files in that folder (and you need them!) | 15:15 |
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| jonnor | Hoho: when using xrandr, you need to set the mode after creating it | 15:23 |
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| Hoho | you mean --addmode? | 15:27 |
| jonnor | Hoho: yes, and --mode | 15:28 |
| Hoho | jeah i did that | 15:31 |
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| xxiao | thanks to google, who is going to close the android codebase from honeycomb, meego is way more attractive | 17:11 |
| RST38h | They are??/ | 17:14 |
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| xxiao | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | xxiao: Incorrect. | 17:14 |
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| Jaffa | xxiao: They've said they're keeping Honeycomb closed for now. | 17:15 |
| xxiao | i consider it's a trick, note: big players are selling honeycomb now | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | And the Ice Cream (or Indigestion or whatever) will be open again | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Well, Honeycomb is an intermediate release they are ashamed off, that is all it says | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | xxiao: Big players are part of the OHA. Google has the source closed outside of the OHA | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Meego Tablet UI is not open sourced either at the moment | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | xxiao: Also, big players are shipping WP7, but that doesn't mean they have the source code. | 17:16 |
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| xxiao | sigh | 17:17 |
| * xxiao will attend Randall Arnold's meego talk in Austin next week | 17:18 | |
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| Jaffa | xxiao: Oh, what's Texrat saying? | 17:18 |
| xxiao | http://texaslinuxfest.org/sessions/what-are-prospects-open-source-mobile-ecosystem | 17:19 |
| lcuk | \o/ w00t_ (bug 14266) | 17:19 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.8, viroteck, RESO FIXED, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard | 17:19 |
| w00t_ | RST38h: actually, tablet is now | 17:22 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: :) | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: I really missed the announcement on that. | 17:22 |
| xxiao | w00t_: where is the announcement? | 17:22 |
| w00t_ | there wasn't really an announcement, perhaps it isn't a completely finished process yet | 17:22 |
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| mikhas | lcuk, had time for testing the resolution stuff? | 17:22 |
| w00t_ | but, e.g. http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nokia-n900-meego-12-development-release.html | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, vgrade was building and looking this weekend - he has multiple devices and builder etc | 17:25 |
| mikhas | lcuk, the reason I got for hardcoding was btw that the resolution would be incorrect if one wanted to develop and test MeeGo Touch apps on the desktop | 17:26 |
| mikhas | so instead of fixing it for users and integrators, we "fix" it for developers ;-) | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, that is understandable of course | 17:29 |
| RST38h | w00t: Ah, they opened the source? =) | 17:30 |
| w00t_ | RST38h: yes | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Joy joy joy =) | 17:30 |
| mikhas | lcuk, it is understandable that developers are lazy? | 17:31 |
| lcuk | mikhas, understandable that it is easier to size lock than to design fluid layouts | 17:32 |
| mikhas | lcuk, the layouts *are* fluid | 17:33 |
| mikhas | that's the biggest shame | 17:33 |
| mikhas | sure, they look best at a *certain* resolution, but the layouts scale correctly | 17:33 |
| mikhas | lcuk, and I very much doubt that fixed size layouts are easier | 17:34 |
| mikhas | my own experience tells me that building fluid layouts is less work eventually, whereas with fixed sizes, you add so many assumptions in your code that changing one element in the UI *will* break everything | 17:35 |
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| gabrbedd | xxiao: I'll be in Austin, too | 17:35 |
| lcuk | yeah mikhas - the real complex one is landscape/portrait | 17:35 |
| gabrbedd | (Lord willing / creeks don't rise) | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Fixed size shit should be avoided at any cost,right | 17:35 |
| lcuk | which requires specific wrangling | 17:35 |
| RST38h | It is less trouble for the artists, but lots of headache for developers to maintain | 17:36 |
| mikhas | lcuk, MeeGo Touch has those layout containers which automatically switch orientation for you | 17:36 |
| mikhas | but designers didnt understand it, and fucked it up | 17:37 |
| lcuk | it is a tough issue for sure | 17:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, most of your stuff is fixed size though? | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | based on the original resolution of whatever emulation it is? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | nope | 17:37 |
| RST38h | I scale up. | 17:38 |
| xxiao | gabrbedd: are you going to be in his session too? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | ok, slightly different | 17:38 |
| RST38h | For mobile devices, I have got a set of fixed scale ratios, to make things faster | 17:38 |
| lcuk | and more natural method to fit in many cases | 17:38 |
| RST38h | And I choose the best ratio for a given screen size/orientation | 17:38 |
| RST38h | For more capable devices, I just scaleup | 17:38 |
| berndhs | how do you get screen size ? | 17:39 |
| RST38h | On what platform? | 17:39 |
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| berndhs | on any platform | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Unask the question. | 17:39 |
| mikhas | on MeeGo, the canonical form would be "QApplication::desktop()->screenGeometry()" | 17:39 |
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| mikhas | since you are discouraged to use anything else but the provided Qt API anyway ;-) | 17:40 |
| berndhs | yeah we've been through that a few times, screenGeometry in physical size is off by as much as 50% | 17:40 |
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| berndhs | so that may be the canonical answer, but its wrong :) | 17:40 |
| mikhas | berndhs, send a patch | 17:40 |
| berndhs | unless 50% is accurate enough | 17:41 |
| mikhas | which takes DPI into account, or whatever is missing | 17:41 |
| berndhs | the probelm is not in Qt actually | 17:41 |
| lcuk | hang on - berndhs specifically which systems have you seen it wrong? | 17:41 |
| berndhs | the DPI is wrong quite often | 17:41 |
| w00t_ | isn't it that X doesn't report the correct DPI? | 17:41 |
| berndhs | seen it wrong on fedora, maemo, ubuntu | 17:41 |
| berndhs | this is not a new thing, its well known | 17:41 |
| berndhs | oh, its wrong on meego too | 17:42 |
| berndhs | 20% or so | 17:42 |
| mikhas | "wrong", depends entirely on device | 17:42 |
| berndhs | yes | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | and this is dpi wrong vs pixel counts wrong | 17:42 |
| berndhs | i got the sizes in millimeters from Qt and used a tape measure | 17:42 |
| berndhs | the results differ significantly | 17:43 |
| lcuk | berndhs, problem is that you plug it into a projector | 17:43 |
| berndhs | i trust the tape measure :) | 17:43 |
| berndhs | oh usre, projector is even more interesting | 17:43 |
| lcuk | which dpi does the system use for the projected result? | 17:43 |
| berndhs | s/usre/sure/ | 17:43 |
| gabrbedd | xxiao: Yes, I'll be attending it. | 17:44 |
| lcuk | getting back to layouts, mikhas much of the time there are real differences in how the components would be positioned | 17:47 |
| mikhas | lcuk, yes I get that | 17:47 |
| xxiao | gabrbedd: see you there then | 17:47 |
| mikhas | you'd want to have "intelligent" layouts | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | sure | 17:48 |
| mikhas | that reflow stuff for you, based on some flexible rules | 17:48 |
| mikhas | "text labels can appear left or on top of a text entry" | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, yeah - example of infexible but resized display: | 17:48 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100705_030406.ctrlfile_picker.scr.png | 17:48 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100705_030458.ctrlfile_picker.scr.png (in portrait) | 17:48 |
| mikhas | sadly, no one invented such usable layouts for me | 17:48 |
| taso | hello every one...can I post here Question? | 17:49 |
| mikhas | taso, "dont ask to ask" ;-) | 17:49 |
| taso | okkk sry... | 17:49 |
| lcuk | mikhas, what would be good for that layout would be to rotate 90degrees the list and the thumbs | 17:50 |
| mikhas | lcuk, well, for grid layouts with equal elements you would adjust cols and rows | 17:50 |
| lcuk | rather than the whole thing | 17:50 |
| mikhas | amount of cols and rows I mean | 17:50 |
| mikhas | yeah, good point | 17:50 |
| mikhas | smart orientation change, I smell a patent there =p | 17:50 |
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| mikhas | sigh, why cant QML focus on such stuff first | 17:51 |
| lcuk | plenty of time for QML to gain the skills :) | 17:51 |
| mikhas | now I get to live through that hype and are still left unsatisfied because layout engines are all dumb | 17:51 |
| lcuk | mikhas, install cloudgps on your n900 | 17:51 |
| taso | here it is...Lenovo s10-3 (not the touch) 1.1 meego and the problem is that disconnecting me from the wireless every 30" and reconnect again???what shoud I do??? I just Install it...thanks | 17:51 |
| lcuk | and rotate :) it is one of the nicest, simplest, slickest rotation layout animations seen | 17:52 |
| lcuk | Damian did some clever stuff and implemented it well | 17:52 |
| lcuk | mikhas, the toolbars around the edge slide offscreen and come back on in the new orientation | 17:53 |
| lcuk | whilst the map in the middle does the sweeping motion :) | 17:53 |
| * lcuk awestruck :) | 17:53 | |
| lcuk | taso, do other devices on your network have this disconnect problem? | 17:56 |
| lcuk | the ideapad here certainly doesn't unless I catch the wifi enable switch on the right hand side | 17:57 |
| mikhas | lcuk, temporarily hiding those UI elements where there is no sane transition is, of course, clever | 17:59 |
| mikhas | lcuk, did you notice that iPhone uses the most trivial of orientation animations? | 18:00 |
| taso | No I have 2 more Computers in this network and its ok...so what I have to try??? the message says " sorry we lost you signal, we try to reconnect" | 18:00 |
| mikhas | blends out landscape whilst blending in portrait, and then midway through the geometry of the UI elements suddenly switches | 18:00 |
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| taso | I search on the forum about that but found nothing | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, I only rarely see specific things on other devices, I get shown games and stuff but don't really go into much depth | 18:02 |
| lcuk | taso, it does sound odd | 18:02 |
| lcuk | when it has signal, how good is it | 18:02 |
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| taso | it shows me full....but when I try to open the browser I starts the same... | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | taso, do yourself a favour, pickup ideapad | 18:04 |
| lcuk | pickup some beers | 18:04 |
| lcuk | go to friends house | 18:04 |
| lcuk | drink beers and play on their internet | 18:04 |
| lcuk | and see if it still disconnects on their wifi too | 18:04 |
| taso | :P I try it already mate...I have a looooot of open networks in my place... | 18:05 |
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| taso | I don't think that it is a hardware problem because I have dual boot Xp on the same and it ok for xp | 18:06 |
| taso | U never heard the same prob before>??? Strange !!! | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | taso, ok so you have just added specific info and confirmed different routers thing | 18:08 |
| lcuk | perhaps filing a bug and bringing it up on the ML will get some eyes | 18:08 |
| taso | ok mate...thanks a lot...:) | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, what are you doing today btw? | 18:20 |
| pixelgeek | taso: I have a colleague who just picked up a 3g hotspot, and we're seeing similar behaviour with the Lenovo S10-3t | 18:22 |
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| pixelgeek | It has the Atheros built in. Annoyingly ones with Broadcom seem immune from the problem. | 18:23 |
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| pixelgeek | taso: Did you/aare you filing a bug? | 18:23 |
| mikhas | lcuk, I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you | 18:24 |
| taso | not yet my friend...I want to search a little bit more....but if u want fill the bug... | 18:26 |
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| taso | @pixelgeek I thing I will try to change the drivers or something like that | 18:27 |
| taso | pixelgeek I thing I will try to change the drivers or something like that | 18:27 |
| lcuk | mikhas, that is usual | 18:28 |
| pixelgeek | taso: yes, I suspect a driver setting/configuration compatibility with some Access points. Reverting to an older driver may give a clue as to when it changed. | 18:29 |
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| taso | Yeah...I will try...if I find something I will post it in the forum as How to.... | 18:31 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: Tell him!! Tell him, please!! | 18:32 |
| gabrbedd | :-P | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I get the impression he would have to run around the entire room first if he told me here :P | 18:33 |
| lcuk | and since your nickname is before mine \o | 18:34 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 18:34 |
| gabrbedd | hasta la vista! | 18:34 |
| * lcuk was actually thinking more stuff away from meego - like normal life | 18:35 | |
| lcuk | cinema etc ;) | 18:35 |
| w00t_ | normal .. life? | 18:35 |
| w00t_ | what is that | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | yeah, I once read a webpage about it | 18:35 |
| pixelgeek | taso: can you confirm whether you have broadcom or Atheros wifi? | 18:35 |
| Robot101 | should I try meego tablet or gnome 3 on my ideapad next? :) | 18:35 |
| berndhs | cinema ? you're supposed to watch IMAX movies on your 3 inch mobile screen :) | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | lcuk: are you talking about the mysterious "real life" ? | 18:35 |
| Robot101 | or unity!!!111ONE | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | Life: that's where you actually /talk/ to the woman and the little people who live in your house. | 18:35 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: unity is shit on the ip | 18:35 |
| w00t_ | been there, tried that :D | 18:36 |
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| Robot101 | w00t_: is it better elsewhere? | 18:36 |
| w00t_ | top bar is too small for touch | 18:36 |
| w00t_ | mm, well, i don't actually mind it | 18:36 |
| w00t_ | apart from the stupid menu hiding stuff | 18:36 |
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| Robot101 | I saw mpt flew off the handle about that, and got WONTFIX'd | 18:36 |
| Robot101 | superb | 18:37 |
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| PatrickBic | hey | 18:37 |
| w00t_ | ! | 18:37 |
| w00t_ | it's intentional? | 18:37 |
| w00t_ | i always assumed it was a bug | 18:37 |
| w00t_ | PatrickBic: o/ | 18:37 |
| PatrickBic | i installed grub on my meego and because there was no menu.lst file (in /boot/grub) i created one with the meego entry (title, kernel + boot) | 18:37 |
| PatrickBic | but it seems that the file isnt used by grub (being dropped to a grub shell).. if i enter my "commands" there it works just fine | 18:38 |
| lcuk | w00t_, menu hiding stuff? | 18:38 |
| PatrickBic | any idea why that happens? | 18:38 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: menus are up on the top bar, right? they are invisible until you mouseover that top bar | 18:38 |
| * lcuk stands up and gives that wild applause | 18:39 | |
| gabrbedd | PatrickBic: MeeGo uses extloader by default (not grub). | 18:41 |
| Robot101 | w00t_: nope, it's in the design... it's intentional | 18:41 |
| Robot101 | they have a mad obsession with having invisible UI furniture | 18:41 |
| Robot101 | it's utterly bizzare and totally horrific from a usability perspective | 18:41 |
| w00t_ | +1 | 18:41 |
| PatrickBic | gabrbedd, i know | 18:42 |
| PatrickBic | thats why i said "i installed it" | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | PatrickBic: Well, there's been a lot of confusion over the matter... so I was just making sure you knew what you knew. :-) | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | PatrickBic: What version of grub did you install? | 18:42 |
| PatrickBic | 0.97 | 18:43 |
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| PatrickBic | gabrbedd, straight via zypper install grub | 18:46 |
| PatrickBic | but as i said no menu.lst :( | 18:46 |
| berndhs | PatrickBic: no grub.conf either ? | 18:46 |
| PatrickBic | whereis grub.conf reports no file | 18:47 |
| PatrickBic | where is it supposed to be in? | 18:47 |
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| berndhs | it would be in the same place as menu.lst | 18:47 |
| gabrbedd | mhm... I didn't know grub was in the repos. | 18:47 |
| PatrickBic | ah ok, there is no .conf file | 18:47 |
| gabrbedd | Looks like grub 1... so it should be menu.lst (I think) | 18:48 |
| PatrickBic | would grub.conf have the same syntax as menu.lst has? | 18:48 |
| berndhs | yes grub.conf, menu.lst, grub.cfg are the same thing | 18:49 |
| berndhs | just has different names because of standardization :) | 18:49 |
| PatrickBic | so if i just cp the menu.lst file under a different name | 18:49 |
| PatrickBic | i am gonna be fine? | 18:49 |
| PatrickBic | (for a try-out) | 18:49 |
| berndhs | i dont know, i have seen them as soft links | 18:49 |
| PatrickBic | ls -s wasnt it? | 18:50 |
| berndhs | right | 18:50 |
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| PatrickBic | oh checked it | 18:50 |
| PatrickBic | it was ln -s :P | 18:50 |
| berndhs | of course if you have none of them that doesnt help you | 18:50 |
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| PatrickBic | ok i created those symbolic links | 18:51 |
| PatrickBic | time to try it :P | 18:52 |
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| PatrickBic | berndhs, one of those symlinks works | 18:53 |
| PatrickBic | booting meego with the menu.lst file atm | 18:53 |
| berndhs | one of them has to be a real file of course :) | 18:53 |
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| PatrickBic | i have grub.cfg and grub.conf pointing to menu.lst (real file) | 18:55 |
| PatrickBic | :) | 18:55 |
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| PatrickBic | ok and now its time to get wpa_supplicant going :P | 18:56 |
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| gabrbedd | PatrickBic: What build are you working on? | 19:05 |
| gabrbedd | Handset? Netbook? | 19:06 |
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| PatrickBic | netbook | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | mmm bacon and egg fried rice | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | oh balls, looks like Adobe have dropped PowerPC support for Flash | 19:50 |
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| GAN900 | Ha | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | That's excellent. | 19:52 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, I sense some sort of venn diagram showing normal users, powerpc users and you in the middle :P | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | I can understand CS and stuff, but flash is just a little plug in | 19:52 |
| Bostik | "just a little plugin" which happens to sport such things as a h.264 decoder and $deity knows what else under the hood | 19:53 |
| CosmoHill | part of a assignment I'm writing says how flash is a core part of the internet | 19:54 |
| Bostik | ooohh, do you want a nice quote from a popular science book? :) | 19:55 |
| mikhas | lies! | 19:55 |
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| CosmoHill | Bostik: sure | 19:55 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: I think you took the quote out of context. | 19:55 |
| mikhas | core part of the known internet would still be the root servers | 19:55 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: The full quot e is "Flash is a core part of why the internet is a pain in the ass" | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | the assignment is aimmed at non technical users | 19:56 |
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| mikhas | and still wrong - as if Flash was the foundation of the interwebs | 19:56 |
| gabrbedd | Hey! There's always gnash, right? :-p | 19:56 |
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| Bostik | CosmoHill: this is from "Science of Discworld", by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen | 19:56 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, Flash is a core part of the internet, protecting it from Ming the Merciless | 19:56 |
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| mikhas | lcuk, hah! | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | If you're gonna drop PowerPC support that's not gonna make me happy. what makes me angry is not telling me you've dropped it | 19:57 |
| gabrbedd | Unfortunately... flash accomplished what java didn't. And that's something. | 19:57 |
| gabrbedd | Like it or not... they got that mission accomplished. | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | I saw a rather depressing flash clone of something yesterday and that made me a bit miffed | 19:57 |
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| Bostik | CosmoHill: you could compare flash to excretion, and follow up with this one: "Triploblasts played a crucial role in evolution, precisely because they *did* have internal organs, and in particular they could ingest and excrete it. Their excreta became a major resource of for other creatures; [TBC on next line ...]" | 19:59 |
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| Bostik | CosmoHill: the rest of the part - "to get an interestingly complicated world, it is vitally important that shit happens." | 19:59 |
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| CosmoHill | Adobe don't give a PPC option on the download site but doesn't tell you it's been dropped | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | Firefox doesn't tell you at all, my mac just went "wtf is this app? it's not PPC" | 20:02 |
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| CosmoHill | some of my programs go "do you want me to download and install the new version" forgetting that the new version is intel only, meaning I have to go and fix the damn thing | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | nice CosmoHill | 20:03 |
| lcuk | so how many powerpcs are there? | 20:03 |
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| CosmoHill | they annoy me even more cos they don't give you an option to not check for updates | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | in my bedroom, 2 that work | 20:04 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: you are supposed to be a good follower of steve and buy his newest hardware | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | there's not many ppc users, but it's about £2000 ish for the modern equiverlent of my mac | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | given a choice between a new mac laptop and a car, I tried to go for the car | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, must be a small car to sit on your knee | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | if it's on my knee it means the jack stand fell over | 20:06 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:07 |
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| CosmoHill | my mate and I talked about me getting his car for ages | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | then all of a sudden he had an offer and it was sold | 20:07 |
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| CosmoHill | Nokia C5-03, any good? | 20:15 |
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| GAN900 | Wait for a MeeGo device? | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | leinir, hardcore if so. | 21:00 |
| leinir | lcuk: Hmm? :) | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | leinir, multimedia - I twittered first before posting here ;) http://twitter.com/lcuk :P | 21:02 |
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| leinir | Aah ;) | 21:04 |
| leinir | Yeah, well, basically yes - it's because we need to be able to call the C++ functions for vector arithmetic and such... it's a bit expensive to do in scripts :) | 21:05 |
| lcuk | you just hit on a roadblock that has impacted scripting from the year . | 21:06 |
| buz | window stick off | 21:06 |
| lcuk | and most common reason for the native language library bindings in script code :) | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | leinir, what language is the qtscript emulating? | 21:08 |
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| leinir | It's not emulating ECMAScript, it's running on top of JavaScriptCore :) | 21:09 |
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| maligor | is the MeeGo current in repositories the Trunk or just 1.1? | 21:22 |
| maligor | in the community obs that is | 21:23 |
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| taso | hello all...I Have lenovo s10-3 and just install meego1.1 (dual boot xp) and I have the prob that it disconnecting me every 30sec and connect me again....usually when I use it...any suggestion ? | 21:27 |
| maligor | and maybe some people might be interested that there was a recent code drop from intel into http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux | 21:28 |
| maligor | probably the most interesting part is meego-ux-components | 21:28 |
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| niala1 | hello | 21:30 |
| maligor | taso, if I had to guess, it's a driver issue with the kernel | 21:31 |
| maligor | taso, you can try opening a terminal and typing 'dmesg' | 21:31 |
| taso | and after that? | 21:32 |
| CosmoHill | taso: try updating, you can only download major versions of meego, I.E MeeGo 1.1, not MeeGo 1.1.4 | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | maligor, for sure the new QML components from the tablet ux are cool, but how the repositories sit is a quesiton ongoing I believe - it also has issue about how to file bugs against them etc | 21:33 |
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| maligor | lcuk, hmm.. yes, that is a interesting question | 21:34 |
| taso | the think is that I dont have cable to connect by wire...only wireless, and when I try to update it disconnecting me and reconnect me very offen and its stops the update process so what to do? | 21:34 |
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| taso | I asked here also before...but no one knows what happening | 21:35 |
| maligor | lcuk, the normal bugzilla maybe? | 21:36 |
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| taso | and I search maybe someone else have the same issue on the forum but not :/ | 21:36 |
| lcuk | bug 13701 as the guys in #meego-arm are already working on fixing up some of the issues and encountering this already | 21:36 |
| maligor | I guess the tablet parts are a bit missing in it for proper reports tho | 21:36 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13701 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, REOP, No category for tablet UI | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | maligor, the code just got published so it needs some time to get up and running | 21:37 |
| maligor | lcuk, yeah, I'm probably one of the reasons it got published ;P | 21:37 |
| maligor | I work for a subcontractor | 21:37 |
| lcuk | are you working on the components themselves or apps using them? | 21:38 |
| maligor | the components | 21:38 |
| lcuk | top notch :D hopefully part of that is hanging around and offering to help some folks build excellent apps from them? :D | 21:39 |
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| maligor | well, I've always been a sucker for helping people | 21:39 |
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| maligor | I think it's a curse | 21:40 |
| mikhas | "What is a vampire?" | 21:40 |
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| maligor | mikhas, a curse of sucking people | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | maligor, what is your favourite component within the new set of components? | 21:42 |
| maligor | depends what you mean by components | 21:43 |
| maligor | I haven't been working on the qml component set as such | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | maligor: without the vampire context your last statement sounds very questionable | 21:43 |
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| maligor | I just think it's the coolest part of the dcode drop :P | 21:43 |
| maligor | but if you mean the code repos as such, definately the qml component set | 21:44 |
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| maligor | I wrote a painting program before I even saw the ux component set :P | 21:46 |
| maligor | using qml and a custom component, it's in my home repo | 21:47 |
| lcuk | maligor, which one | 21:47 |
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| maligor | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=CFPainter&project=home%3Avaltonen | 21:48 |
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| maligor | pretty much a learn qml project ;P | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | maligor, ahh you are using c++ for the actual painting | 21:49 |
| * lcuk thought you did all that in qml :P | 21:49 | |
| maligor | yes :P | 21:50 |
| maligor | it was a port of something I did earlier, very simple | 21:50 |
| lcuk | indeed | 21:50 |
| maligor | I'm also entirely unsure of the multitouch support in it | 21:51 |
| maligor | I tested it in on one prototype, but it could've been the prototype or the program, very unstable tracking :P | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | maligor, regarding your file numbering scheme | 21:53 |
| lcuk | use dates :) they are better | 21:53 |
| lcuk | and sharable ;) | 21:53 |
| maligor | mm.. good idea | 21:53 |
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| maligor | you actually ran it? | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | no | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | maligor, did you give up the idea of saving thumbnails? | 21:55 |
| maligor | how so? | 21:56 |
| maligor | pretty sure it does that | 21:56 |
| lcuk | ahh probably deeper in | 21:57 |
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| * npm wants a qml element that gives "texture" to a scrollbar by making device vibrate when passing over interesting areas | 21:58 | |
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| lcuk | npm, there are loads of similar things | 21:59 |
| npm | ref? | 21:59 |
| * lcuk personally wants book flapping noises (or wind) for scrolling | 21:59 | |
| npm | for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_EJtCu46U i want the video on the page that's been turned to get quieter as the page gets closer to the next | 22:00 |
| maligor | lcuk, quickly building it definately makes thumbs, can't remember the layout tho :P | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | maligor, yeah I see passing the thumb filename into the savefile function | 22:00 |
| lcuk | maligor, should the thumbnails be produced by the normal system thumbnailer though? | 22:02 |
| maligor | it wasn't originally a meego project as such | 22:03 |
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| maligor | and the normal system thumbnailer might be in a state of flux | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | maligor, understood | 22:06 |
| * lcuk has had similar things | 22:06 | |
| lcuk | maligor, potentially though, for every file created the system thumbnailer will then create 2 thumbs | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | because of the 2 image files you make | 22:06 |
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| maligor | lcuk, yeah, true, I don't think it makes sense to make into a real final 'product' before the platform comes out with a beta atleast :P | 22:17 |
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| maligor | just nice to have the tumbnails for the loader | 22:21 |
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| maligor | since I had to make my own "file browser" | 22:21 |
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| dr_droid2011 | hi, all. good time of day. I confused with i18n. which whay is best now | 22:22 |
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| dr_droid2011 | it looks I wrote app in old tr() style, now I must use qtTrId(). is this right for 1.1 and 1.1.2 sdk? | 22:23 |
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| dr_droid2011 | tr is really deprecated? | 22:24 |
| dr_droid2011 | QObject::tr() of course | 22:24 |
| dr_droid2011 | please, help | 22:25 |
| maligor | as far as I understand, the whole project is going towards using Qt proper for everything | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, qt and qml | 22:25 |
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| maligor | so QObject::tr() should be correct | 22:26 |
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| dr_droid2011 | This way is best ? http://wiki.meego.com/QML/Internationalisation? | 22:27 |
| maligor | I guess qtTrId refers to a id instead of the default string | 22:28 |
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| maligor | you could ask about that in #qt I should think tho | 22:29 |
| dr_droid2011 | ok, guess I just should try ) | 22:29 |
| dr_droid2011 | it looks like meego specific | 22:29 |
| dr_droid2011 | but if it works same as three years ago, think I have no questions :) | 22:30 |
| berndhs | have you seen this part http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativei18n.html ? | 22:30 |
| dr_droid2011 | maligor: thank for attention :) | 22:31 |
| maligor | dr_droid2011, QtTrId is specified in the Qt library tho | 22:31 |
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| maligor | it just doesn't show up in the public api docs | 22:31 |
| maligor | err.. qtTrId I mean | 22:32 |
| dr_droid2011 | berndhs: i have no qml files, c++ only | 22:32 |
| dr_droid2011 | new Q* stuff\ | 22:32 |
| berndhs | ah, then its just QObject::tr I think | 22:32 |
| dr_droid2011 | better then spend time to learn new features ... qt really nice, and what I really like in meego its closing the windows ) | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | qsTrId | 22:34 |
| maligor | thiago_home, well, any refs I find are on qtTrId | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | huh | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | it should be "qs" (from QScript) | 22:35 |
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| maligor | QtCore/qglobal.h:Q_CORE_EXPORT QString qtTrId(const char *id, int n = -1); | 22:36 |
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| maligor | qs doesn't hit anythin | 22:36 |
| maligor | dr_droid2011, yeah, Qt really is the best salve for the starving developer :P | 22:37 |
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| dr_droid2011 | qscript .. hmm .. didn't notice it | 22:38 |
| dr_droid2011 | maligor: hope this is humor ) | 22:38 |
| maligor | only partially | 22:39 |
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| maligor | too many api's that are just annoying to use, qt is nice for most problems | 22:39 |
| maligor | even if it is rather large | 22:39 |
| dr_droid2011 | why java or c++ can't be the best ? :) | 22:39 |
| maligor | c++ stl is a mess imo | 22:40 |
| dr_droid2011 | oh meant cobjective | 22:40 |
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| dr_droid2011 | ;) | 22:40 |
| maligor | languages a different matter, whatever you like | 22:41 |
| dr_droid2011 | whole stl - possibly, the 15% is nice :) its still enough :) | 22:41 |
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| taso | is any probability that meego not give much power to wifi card???? because on the same distance of the router same laptop with XP has but with meego losing it???can this happend? | 22:44 |
| gabrbedd | PDF viewer on Handset? Evince? | 22:44 |
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| gabrbedd | Can anyone on Fedora tell me what %{_qt4_qmake} expands to in a .spec file? | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | maligor, I know the feeling of making stuff before platform, will check out your app once I have bits in place on device after the weekend | 22:54 |
| maligor | lcuk, heh, only tested it on one of the aavas | 22:55 |
| maligor | and a desktop | 22:55 |
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| maligor | lcuk, it only depends on qt and qt declarative anyway | 22:56 |
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| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: did you try asking mxr? | 22:56 |
| berndhs | gabrbedd: /usr/lib64/qt4/bin/qmake | 22:57 |
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| * timeless_w7ip ponders | 22:57 | |
| berndhs | gabrbedd: at least on my system, your mileage may vary | 22:57 |
| * timeless_w7ip wonders where that comes from and why mxr doesn't know :( | 22:58 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | generally such macros will expand to the path to an app name | 22:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | if they need to expand w/ arguments the macro name itself will generally include them | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Thanks! I just needed to know if there were extra flags like `qmake -DFOO=BAZ -DBAT --no-suck` | 22:59 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: It comes from Fedora. I'm porting a package from F14 to MeeGo, and I needed to replace that macro. | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: That's why MXR doesn't know it... it's a Fedora extension. | 22:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | ah! | 23:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | right, so... in general by default unless they're being evil | 23:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | it should have been _qt4_qmake_x | 23:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | if they expect it to be qmake -x | 23:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | there's a basic example of that somewhere | 23:01 |
| * timeless_w7ip wonders how to find it | 23:02 | |
| timeless_w7ip | it was something like `id -u` | 23:02 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: OK... but I was thinking along the lines of %configure :-) (/usr/lib/rpm/meego/macros) | 23:02 |
| gabrbedd | I usually find them with `grep -r _cryptic_macro /usr/lib/rpm/*` | 23:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/rpm/macros.in#48 | 23:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | or #54 | 23:04 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: Yeah... but is that file getting mapped to /usr/lib/rpm/meego/macros ?? Or is it for something else? | 23:06 |
| dr_droid2011 | yes! first string is successful shown in correct charset :) thanks for #meego for #qt specific help. bye | 23:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/meego-rpm-config/macros | 23:06 |
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| gabrbedd | right. | 23:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: sadly i can't answer that question | 23:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | you'd have to read http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/meego-rpm-config/meego-rpm-config.spec | 23:06 |
| gabrbedd | s'allright! I think your second link there is it... since that's the package that owns the file. | 23:07 |
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| CosmoHill | firefox ate 1.8GB of RAM | 23:30 |
| maligor | no worries, your meego handset will surely have 16gb ram ;P | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | it's a 102B web page... | 23:31 |
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| berndhs | how much RAM do you have ? | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | 4GB | 23:33 |
| berndhs | hmm strange, it should have used 4GB then | 23:33 |
| CosmoHill | I was waiting for it to run out of RAM and crash | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | but windows stopped it | 23:35 |
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| berndhs | whats the web page for that ? anyting interesting in it ? | 23:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | cosmohill: which ver of firefox? | 23:41 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: LOL "...it should have used 4GB then" | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | 3.6.16 | 23:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | we'd only use 2gb | 23:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | we aren't tagged as large aware before 4.0 | 23:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | plus if you aren't using /3gb or 64bit you won't get access past 2gb for apps anyway | 23:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | upgrade to w7x64 and ff4(32bit) and we'll gladly spend that extra gb of ram :) | 23:42 |
| CosmoHill | I have a windows XP VM | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | lets see what I can do with that an IE6 | 23:45 |
| * CosmoHill cackles | 23:45 | |
| timeless_w7ip | ok, so upgrade to xp64bit :) | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | laptop is win764 | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | that didn't come out correctly | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | lets see | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | <html><html><script type="text/javascript">while(true) { window.open("this_file.html"); }; </script></head></html> | 23:49 |
| CosmoHill | *head | 23:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh that's friendly | 23:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | you're surprised that you run out of memory? | 23:49 |
| CosmoHill | ^^^ DO NOT RUN IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES | 23:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | javascript:window.open(window.location) | 23:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | is probably shorter | 23:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | and probably just as effective | 23:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | well, ok, not quite as effective | 23:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | javascript:window.open(window.location);window.reload() | 23:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmohill: your file is an interesting variant on a fork bomb | 23:51 |
| maligor | CosmoHill, the problem with linux memory model is quite well known :P | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_w7ip: your's opens one window and stops | 23:51 |
| maligor | if that's what you mean | 23:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmohill: hrm | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | tbh yesterday with firefox 3.6.15 it blocked all the pop ups | 23:52 |
| * timeless_w7ip frowns | 23:52 | |
| CosmoHill | today it opened all of them | 23:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | data:text/html,<script>window.open(window.location);window.reload()</script> | 23:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | you can actually omit each <window.> | 23:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | data:text/html,<script>open(location);reload()</script> | 23:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | should be just as effective | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | (if I go offline it worked) | 23:54 |
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| CosmoHill | oh dear lord | 23:54 |
| * CosmoHill hides | 23:54 | |
| timeless_w7ip | ? | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | 152 windows | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | and a very hot lap | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_w7ip: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/safari-fun.png | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | kudos on your script | 23:59 |
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