| vgrade | lcuk, I thought it was interesting in light of, http://twitter.com/#!/Arubin/status/27808662429 | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, what is the repo command set in use there? | 00:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | :( | 00:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | that is depressing | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, how can meego usb key be made self creating - it is something I have pondered - take a running meego image, insert usb stick and have all apps and filesystem placed onto it. move to different computer and plug in to continue | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | (also makes for awesome backup tool :O) | 00:13 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: This is more or less what mic2 is doing to create the stick images. | 00:14 |
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| berndhs | anyone know the weird licenses on the Qt SDK ? | 00:15 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: So some motivated hacker could probably find a way pretty easily. | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, extra points for making prototype .ks from the same thing :O | 00:16 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Haha! Yeah. But even that should be pretty simple using zypper + python (or perl if you prefer) | 00:18 |
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| * lcuk has not seen backup/restore tool for meego yet I don't think. | 00:19 | |
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| wmarone | http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/google-keeping-honeycomb-source-code-on-ice-says-its-not-ready/ | 00:28 |
| berndhs | i have long suspected that a lot of software is closed source to avoid embarassment | 00:29 |
| lcuk | meh | 00:30 |
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| vgrade | I guess now the market has been captured its time for some payback | 00:32 |
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| vgrade | whats the argument for me not putting HC on my tegra2 | 00:34 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, it recovered | 00:49 |
| CosmoHill | ha!@ | 00:49 |
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| wmarone | \o/ | 01:02 |
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| gabrbedd | ~bacon | 02:57 |
| infobot | it has been said that bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... | 02:57 |
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| gabrbedd | mmmmm.... Flockhart | 02:58 |
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| berndhs | pigs probably frown on us eating bacon | 03:02 |
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| gabrbedd | adieu | 03:18 |
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| bkalinga | hi | 08:58 |
| bkalinga | g++ is missing in my Meego1.2 pre-release | 08:58 |
| bkalinga | which: no g++ in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin) | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | you have to install it, gcc-c++ | 08:58 |
| bkalinga | how do i make it work?? | 08:59 |
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| slonopotamus | bkalinga: you what, thought it is gentoo? | 08:59 |
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| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/DzhpPpmC | 09:00 |
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| bkalinga | Stskeeps: 'zypper install gcc-c++ ' is this the correct package | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:01 |
| bkalinga | ok thanks | 09:02 |
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| slonopotamus_ | btw, sdk without a compiler is a good joke :) | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | who said anything about sdk? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah, there | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | bkalinga: please file a bug | 09:05 |
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| bkalinga | this is a pre-release....you still want me to file a bug?? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's a open project, any bugs are bugs :) | 09:06 |
| bkalinga | ok i ll do it :) | 09:06 |
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| thiago_home | real coders don't use compilers, they write the .o manually | 09:09 |
| timoph | :) | 09:09 |
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| bkalinga | i have a small doubt ...can i use -g option for source level debugging along with -O2 optimization CFLAGS?? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but -O2 might make debugging more difficult | 09:19 |
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| bkalinga | ok ..so its better to remove during dev | 09:21 |
| bkalinga | anyone familiar with QT can answer this question: how to run qmake so that, all generated make file will contain '-g' compilation flag. | 09:23 |
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| bkalinga | Stskeeps: Filed the Bug 14896 - g++ not available | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:27 |
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| velope | why am I banned from meego-bar, can I get back there? | 13:10 |
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| velope | forgot to say hi... so hi :) | 13:10 |
| velope | and why I was kicked out from MeeGo project ?? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | you were behaving abusively in #meego-bar, you're not kicked out of meego project as by the fact you are in here | 13:12 |
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| velope | Stskeeps: if i behave politely can i get there? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 13:13 |
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| velope | at least i am not paid for this shit anymore but however | 13:14 |
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| arfoll | does anyone know how to disable the virtual keyboard in the MeeGo wetab UI? | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | arfoll, how will you type stuff? | 14:03 |
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| arfoll | lcuk, usb keyboard? | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | arfoll, does that work? | 14:05 |
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| arfoll | luck, yes works just fine | 14:05 |
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| lbt | lcuk: or bluetooth keyb | 14:06 |
| lbt | lcuk: it's damned annoying when keyboard-less devices forget that you *can* attach one | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | lbt, attach with little magnets? | 14:07 |
| arfoll | oooh apparently you can do this : "/usr/bin/tiitoo-keyboard-toggle-daemon.sh off" | 14:07 |
| arfoll | searching german forums is hard... | 14:08 |
| * lbt scatters iron filings over lcuk.... | 14:08 | |
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| hena | i want a wetab | 14:08 |
| hena | been waiting for ages now :/ | 14:09 |
| lcuk | lbt iron filing beard would be awesome | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | now it seems that the tablet ux might be available for all devices, a question - how can new tabs/panels be made? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | there's some material already on wiki somewhere | 14:26 |
| lcuk | good :D | 14:26 |
| lcuk | because whilst the "normal" use case might be music/media/people/internet sort of things | 14:27 |
| lcuk | there are others who might want something like a developers tab | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | to watch obs progress or something :) | 14:27 |
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| lokesh | where can i find latest meego SDK ? | 14:31 |
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| deepa1 | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ | 14:35 |
| ali1234 | why did i get a survey about appup sdk from intel? | 14:38 |
| ali1234 | i don't even remember downloading it | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: registering for tablet ux? :P | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, i dislike SPW too | 14:38 |
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| ali1234 | i don't remember registering with my email, i thought it was just a click thru? | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno | 14:38 |
| ali1234 | ah well, time to fill in some BS | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, who is SPW since you know | 14:40 |
| lcuk | and why do I also have email from them | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know, but it's a company intel uses | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | it might be, but I am wondering which signup led to the mail | 14:41 |
| lcuk | and if it was general meego.com account | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | that'd just cause an uproar :P | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | Harvesting a mailinglist is so much easier anyway. | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | hence clarity required. | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | Intel Appup Developer program is following me on twitter | 14:43 |
| lcuk | but I cannot find a mail relating to me signing up for "Intel AppUp developer program" or "Intel Atom developer program" | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: bad sign, it is going to eat you once it catches up! | 14:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: good thing is though, the Appup program is slow, really slow =) | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | that is normal RST38h | 14:45 |
| * lcuk pre seasoned. | 14:45 | |
| RST38h | are you stuff though? =) | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, no, but for some reason I am coated in bacon strips. | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | bad bad mental image | 14:48 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, no worse than you operating an n900 in pjs | 14:48 |
| ab | lcuk, I guess someone from Intel marketing got pile of meego.com accounts | 14:48 |
| lcuk | ab I probably have signed up | 14:49 |
| lcuk | I just don't see it based on the description in the mail | 14:49 |
| ab | lcuk, I haven't, for sure, but I've got the same thing. | 14:49 |
| lcuk | they have been mailing since last year | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | ab: touched anything related to *.intel.com? | 14:49 |
| ZogG | RST38h, you are even here ah? | 14:49 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps, you are not around at #maemo anymore? =( | 14:50 |
| ab | Stskeeps, you mean, meego.com? :) | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | ab: no | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ab: tablet ux pre-release, etc | 14:51 |
| ab | Stskeeps, I have not registered myself on intel.com | 14:51 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, anyway i wonder how does multitasking works in meego, is it acting like android or like maemo and as well how does it showen in UI | 14:51 |
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| ali1234 | the survey questions worry me | 14:51 |
| lcuk | i have not got as far as the questions | 14:51 |
| ali1234 | "what is your prefered method for multithreading on dual core CPUs?" | 14:51 |
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| ab | ali1234, by alternating current between low and high voltage | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | the only reason i have a multicore CPU is because developers assume they can use the whole CPU for themselves | 14:52 |
| lcuk | ali1234, my answer would be 1010101110101001101010101101010001010101010101101111101010101010110 | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | at least with quad core you can run 4 such broken programs at the same time | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | but not any more | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | because now intel is going to show all developers how to suck up all the cores | 14:53 |
| lcuk | ali1234, in Windows times, that was true: | 14:53 |
| lcuk | one core for browser | 14:53 |
| lcuk | remaining cores for running viruses | 14:53 |
| lcuk | errr virus scanners | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ab: well, one way to check would be to find someone that signed up with a unique addy on meego.com | 14:53 |
| lcuk | ;) | 14:53 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps ? | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG: i don't understand the question :P multitasking works fine - there's a task switcher | 14:57 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps is it simular to maemo? | 14:58 |
| ZogG | or more android style? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | go look at screenshots :) | 14:58 |
| ZogG | cause whole meego UI looks more android than maemo | 14:58 |
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| ali1234 | there is no such thing as "the meego ui" | 14:59 |
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| ZogG | ali1234 ah? | 15:00 |
| smoku | ali1234, don't you forget that in preemptive multitasking you cannot "use the whole CPU"? sheduler will pause your process and give time to others | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | errr if there was a direct clone of a game widely played on Nokia device remade into flash and using many graphical and audio assets of the original, who would be the best real contact to mail regarding such a violation? | 15:04 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: ping ... | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | this is novel in a way: http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20110325/000493.htm#p=1 however the obvious thing is to reduce backlight and extend battery that way | 15:16 |
| lcuk | (it is for a transparent solar cell sandwiched in the screen layer, to help charging the battery of device | 15:16 |
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| berndhs | should try to make photovoltaic stuff that uses IR, to get power from the user directly | 15:19 |
| ali1234 | smoku: you're assuming that the scheduler actually works | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, nahhh | 15:22 |
| lcuk | but we SHOULD use the capacitive screen properly | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | charging battery by rubbing a balloon on it. | 15:23 |
| berndhs | using it properly doesn't sell more hardware :) | 15:23 |
| smoku | ali1234, well... yes. assuming you have a broken component you can advocate any thesis ;P | 15:23 |
| ali1234 | only if you can actually convince other people it is broken | 15:23 |
| lcuk | berndhs, :) then do something different with it :) | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Spin your device around and let the compass charge the device :D | 15:24 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, :D | 15:24 |
| berndhs | or put little flywheels in it, like the Rolexes have | 15:24 |
| lcuk | these sorts of ideas are what would make it fun | 15:25 |
| lcuk | like on the calculator app: it should have a working solar panel ;) | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | infact, that link I just made would actually do that | 15:25 |
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| smoku | lcuk, nice. having solar panels transparent makes it easy to put it on surfeces you normally not use any other way | 15:30 |
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| smoku | now you can cover your whole house in solar panels, not only roof :D | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | smoku, I did this a while ago: http://liqbase.net/liq.20100722_111652.ctrlcalc1.scr.png | 15:31 |
| lcuk | and covering the panel does indeed darken the display ;) | 15:31 |
| lcuk | now with this real invention that oculd work properly | 15:31 |
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| * lcuk follows up in the copyright violation noticed up there ^ | 15:33 | |
| smoku | how do you detect the covering? :) | 15:33 |
| smoku | I just noticed this cute matrix https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Asmoku :) | 15:34 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: Yes, cool huh? | 15:34 |
| smoku | yeah | 15:35 |
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| smoku | I wonder sometimes how did I live without OBS before ;-) | 15:35 |
| RST38h | You screwed with the Maemo.org Autobuilder instead? =) | 15:36 |
| smoku | I just noticed Watchlist :D | 15:36 |
| * lcuk emails Rovio | 15:37 | |
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| smoku | RST38h, and scratchbox :/ | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | smoku: Seriously though, I will be forced to use Virtual Box or something similar for Meego dev now | 15:40 |
| RST38h | smoku: Not going to send private source code to OBS. | 15:40 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: You can do a local build. | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | Then you use osc to just setup your rootstraps. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | in a chroot. | 15:41 |
| smoku | exactly. local builds. local obs | 15:41 |
| RST38h | X-fade: I looked at the local OBS setup, but it looks too complicated :( | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Not needed. | 15:41 |
| RST38h | X-fade: Even more so than SB1 | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | Just local build any project. Stop it. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | And chroot in the root. | 15:41 |
| RST38h | X-fade: Is there a wiki page about it? =) | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | Nice dev env, in 5 minutes :) | 15:42 |
| smoku | but really, for development you need some developent environment | 15:42 |
| smoku | obs/osc is mainly for packaging | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | Sure, but RST38h doesn't use an ide anyway :) | 15:43 |
| RST38h | I generally only need GCC + libs | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Never experienced a dire need in IDE | 15:43 |
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| smoku | so doing a local build and then using chroot to obs build environment is a pretty good choice :) | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: what OS do you have on your devel machine? | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: latest Ubuntu release | 15:44 |
| smoku | just write a script to automate changes extraction to your real source dir, and there you are :) | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That is what I use, works fine for me. | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: good, if you make a meego.com account and get X-Fade to activate it for community OBS, i'll guide you through it | 15:44 |
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| X-Fade | It is really no more than 5 mins setup. | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Thanks =) | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Did you already have a meego.com account? | 15:45 |
| * RST38h really has to finish Qt ports of his apps | 15:45 | |
| smoku | i have openSUSE locally and I do my development natively in my main OS env. Xephyr for testing and all is smooth. then OBS for packaging | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I do | 15:46 |
| smoku | I can even rpmbuild needed packages from MeeGo and install them on my openSUSE workstation | 15:46 |
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| ali1234 | what is the advantage of a local OBS build over rpmbuild in a real meego chroot? | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: username? | 15:46 |
| RST38h | smoku: I installed Ubuntu as was required by SB, works so far. Testing on the real device though (got a lot of assembly code in my projects) | 15:46 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: "fms", as always | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, activated | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: right, hang on for a min | 15:47 |
| RST38h | should I reboot to Ubuntu? | 15:47 |
| Viltapi| | speaking of chroot, we discussed earlier about my research in putting OBS workers to EC2, and related to that, people said that chroot would not be secure enough for that purpose. What about Linux Containers (LXC) or some other OS-level virtualization? | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: yes ;) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess | 15:47 |
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| smoku | RST38h, is your device networked? if yes, you can "build" on real device. just use distcc to push the heavy work to your workstation :) | 15:48 |
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| RST38h | smoku:there are no Meego devices at the moment | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Add this repo: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_10.10/ | 15:48 |
| RST38h | A moment, reboot | 15:48 |
| nicktime | Stskeeps: Where meego tablet packages will appear? http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/ in "tablet" subdir? | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | nicktime: doubt it | 15:49 |
| nicktime | Stskeeps: Where to look for them? Though I'd prefer rootfs image. | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | nicktime: give them a bit to make official images :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | they're in trunk:testing now | 15:50 |
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| nicktime | Guys, how many fps glestest gives out on n900? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | which one? :P | 15:53 |
| nicktime | I get 35 on similar SoC, too low I guess. | 15:53 |
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| nicktime | Hmm | 15:53 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: what distro inside that repo? | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: ./ | 15:54 |
| nicktime | Stskeeps: Could you give me a link to any version with know fps on n900? | 15:54 |
| nicktime | to sources I mean | 15:54 |
| nicktime | I'll compile to compare | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | nicktime: i personally use www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/glestest.cc | 15:54 |
| nicktime | How many it shows on n900? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have mine booted up right now :P | 15:55 |
| ali1234 | where is Sources.gz? | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: deb, not deb-src | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: another fun issue about OBS repo exports | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | X-Fade: so where is the source of those debs? | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_10.10/ | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: Open in browser ;) | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | how do i get the source with apt-get? | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: You don't. | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | lame | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: obs is waiting for patches for that. | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | has been since mer times ;) | 15:57 |
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| ali1234 | source tarballs don't even contain debian/* | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: Ah, for that you need to look in openSUSE obs. | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Added! | 16:08 |
| RST38h | What do I install from there? | 16:08 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: osc | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | osc qemu-user-static build | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | what ^^ says | 16:09 |
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| mwichmann | another 12 messages on azov-xml | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | no qemu-user-static on my system | 16:12 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: dear child has many names | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: ubuntu or debian? | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | also, did you know the opensuse key for the xubuntu repo is expired? | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: you mean qemu-arm-static? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that one works too | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, they're playing with the name. | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps:no "build" package | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | that's aka qemu-kvm-extras-static | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_10.10/all/ has it | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | so it should be there for sure | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: you've probably not added the repo properly and then installed the broken osc from ubuntu main instead... | 16:15 |
| RST38h | have not yet installed anything | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get update ;) | 16:15 |
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| ali1234 | is installing this qemu going to make my machine try to load the kvm kernel modules? because those break my virtualbox really bad | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: i personally use qemu-user-static, not sure what -kvm- ones are | 16:17 |
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| ali1234 | it probably only uses kvm if i try to use the qemu-x86 bits, and they're all bundled together | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Sorry but what is the full deb... line for that? I cannot find it | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_10.10/ ./ | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | and then apt-get update | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | Have it | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | kvm one is a depend anyway | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | yeah, it's a transitional package | 16:21 |
| RST38h | installing.... | 16:21 |
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| RST38h | All done. What is the next step? =) | 16:21 |
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| rdesfo1 | I'm not getting any updates with meego | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com ls MeeGo.com:Trunk | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | and write in meego.com login/pass | 16:29 |
| rdesfo1 | every time I run "update system" it tells me that the system is up to date | 16:29 |
| RST38h | aha | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | that sets up the login and lists packages in trunk | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | rdesfo1: that's normal | 16:30 |
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| rdesfo1 | ali1234: chrome is like three version old | 16:30 |
| rdesfo1 | and I keep getting a certificate error when I go to github | 16:31 |
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| Pauly | hi i just installed meego on my bro in laws aspire one! | 16:33 |
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| Pauly | theres like nothing in the meego garage, is there another place where some apps might be? | 16:35 |
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| ali1234 | Pauly: the community OBS | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | there's no central directory yet though | 16:36 |
| Pauly | the community OBS? | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Done, got a list of packages | 16:37 |
| Pauly | i know i can install qt stuff and some linux rpms? | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: let's try to demo with one package.. osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com checkout MeeGo.com:Trunk acl | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | and cd MeeGo.com:Trunk/acl; osc build --no-verify standard armv7el | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Building. Looks easy so far | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | ERROR: Either wrong repo/arch as parameter or a parse error of .spec/.dsc/.kiwi file due to syntax error | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin please | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | just leave out the armv7el | 16:42 |
| RST38h | ok | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | Hmm but why doesn't it know about it.. | 16:42 |
| * Stskeeps tries himself too | 16:43 | |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/VkCfNhyK | 16:44 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: leaving it out causes the same error | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: leave out "standard", unsure why that broked :) | 16:44 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 16:44 |
| RST38h | I know how | 16:44 |
| RST38h | I think it likes standard-armv7el (notice the dash) | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | No, that should not be like that. | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Nope. Leaving out "standard" does not work either | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm actually a bit surprised that doesn't work :) | 16:45 |
| slaine | morning DawnFoster | 16:45 |
| DawnFoster | morning slaine | 16:45 |
| DawnFoster | well afternoon for you, I guess. | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: bash: cd: MeeGo.com:Trunk/acl: No such file or directory | 16:46 |
| DawnFoster | (still working on that 1st cup of tea to wake up) | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | :) | 16:46 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: did you ping me earlier? | 16:46 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: indeed, post lunch slump, coffee in hand | 16:46 |
| RST38h | X[Fade: no, that is ok, I am already there | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You didn't check out the package? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: well, still doesn't ;) | 16:46 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: yes | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: doesn't work for me either :) | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: the no such directory thing you can disregard, it is already current dir | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | Try a home project first. | 16:47 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: yes | 16:47 |
| RST38h | Even i586 build does not work | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ok, something different then :P sec | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | this time around i'll test it first ;) | 16:48 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: -> msg :) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com co Project:DE:Trunk:Testing pulseaudio-modules-n900; cd Project:DE:Trunk:Testing; osc build --no-verify standard armv7e | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | l | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | armv7el that is | 16:50 |
| RST38h | oh | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | i just want to verify that your setup works first so :) | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | unexpected argument: 'armv7e' | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | armv7el | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:53 |
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| lizard_ | hi all | 16:53 |
| lizard_ | good afternoon | 16:53 |
| RST38h | yea, skipping standard now | 16:53 |
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| lizard_ | some one can give me an information about kernel customize for meego? | 16:54 |
| RST38h | fms@ummon:~/Project:DE:Trunk:Testing/Project:DE:Trunk:Testing$ osc build --no-verify standard armv7el | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Missing argument: build description (spec, dsc or kiwi file) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: cd pulseaudio-modules-n900 :) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | forgot that part | 16:56 |
| RST38h | Ahhhaaa!!! | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry, need of a friday martini..) | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:56 |
| RST38h | OMG it is going to build the whole Meego userland now run for the hills! | 16:56 |
| RST38h | =) | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | nah, :P | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | just make a chroot | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | Nice big download, easiest setup of an sdk ever ;) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | it basically constructs a chroot ith ARM binaries and x86 cross compilers | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | and some optimized binaries | 16:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, what are you wanting to build? | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Stskeeps and XFade showing me how to set up a local OBS build env | 16:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ultimately, want to build my stuff for Meego, with Qt for UI | 16:58 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Asking me for a password, local root password does not work | 17:27 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know how to keep `specify` from clobbering the changelog in the .spec file? | 17:37 |
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| kallam | gabrbedd: changelog should be in foobar.changes file | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's sudo | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | It is doing "su" though, and I am afraid "su" is prohibited on Ubuntu | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | edit .oscrc | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | ~/.oscrc | 17:40 |
| RST38h | oh ok | 17:40 |
| gabrbedd | kallam: Hmmm... that's new. Does specify put it in the .spec ? | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Someone needs to write this down... | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: .changes are seperate in meego | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | check wiki.m.c/Packaging/Guidelines | 17:41 |
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| kallam | gabrbedd: I think that is is osc builder what put in | 17:44 |
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| kallam | gabrbedd: look at http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#Changelogs | 17:45 |
| RST38h | Oh yeaaaahhh it has built things | 17:45 |
| RST38h | Time to go do a few things | 17:45 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: So, does this policy break `rpm -q --changelog foobar` ?? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: no | 17:45 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps, X-Fade: thanks, people =) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: next thing is "osc chroot" | 17:46 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: So... how does rpmbuild know where to find the changelog? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: it does :P | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | there's prolly a patch | 17:47 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: So.... I just add it to my Sources list? Or just make sure that the file is somewhere in / and it is magically picked up? Does it belong in SOURCES/ or in SPECS/ ?? | 17:48 |
| kallam | gabrbedd: not need to add it anywhere | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: i must readily admit i'm not much of a rpmbuild person ;) osc build abstracts that monster away | 17:48 |
| kallam | obs buider patch it automatically | 17:48 |
| gabrbedd | kallam: That's nice if you're using obs. | 17:49 |
| kallam | it work also osc build command | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | vgrade-nexus, regarding screen resolution testing, there are the bugs (like bug 12455) but could ask mikhas whether there are any specific things that need confirming | 17:51 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 nor, Medium, ---, jesse.barnes, NEW, Displayed UI does not adapt to available screen resolution | 17:51 |
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| gabrbedd | kallam: Stskeeps So... I'm guessing that OBS/osc is doing cat foobar.spec foobar.changes > rpmbuild/SPEC/foobar.spec | 17:52 |
| gabrbedd | sound about right? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: i'm actually wondering what does it | 17:53 |
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| kallam | in build log you can see line like "I have the following modifications for meego-handset-dialer.spec:" | 17:55 |
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| kallam | and after that release number is changed and changelog added | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah, fun | 17:55 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Well, I know that OBS is fiddling with .spec files to bump the Release version... perhaps it's magically adding the changelog. | 17:55 |
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| gabrbedd | Any objection to me adding this info to the Guidelines wiki page? | 17:57 |
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| gabrbedd | not the speculation part... just the part about the OBS magic. | 17:58 |
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| kallam | gabrbedd: there is already to guide use *.changes file. Maybe that is not right document to explain howto OBS+rpmbuild work | 18:00 |
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| gabrbedd | Well for some of us with a !osc !OBS workflow... this is a handy piece of information. :-) | 18:01 |
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| gabrbedd | ...but I'll happily keep it to myself and charge extra for the knowledge. :-) | 18:02 |
| kallam | gabrbedd: maybe some other document is better than packaging guidelines | 18:03 |
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| gabrbedd | kallam: Ok, I put it here... http://wiki.meego.com/Spectacle in the "Usage" and "Tips" sections. | 19:37 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: so does "Spectacle" make importing rpm spec files easy, or does it require a lot of tweaking after import? | 19:44 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Importing them from what to what? | 19:44 |
| npm | fedora | 19:44 |
| * gabrbedd does not like spectacle | 19:44 | |
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| gabrbedd | npm: No... but migrating a .spec from Fedora is pretty easy. | 19:45 |
| npm | sorry, i've got http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem on my mind... as in trying to finalize abstract for meego conf | 19:45 |
| gabrbedd | npm: You remove the %{dist} macro and all the %(..) macros | 19:45 |
| gabrbedd | npm: That's about it. | 19:45 |
| npm | but what about naming differences | 19:46 |
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| npm | is there a table of say 'gst'->'gstreamer' etc | 19:46 |
| npm | and also some put python- and others have -python | 19:46 |
| npm | etc | 19:46 |
| gabrbedd | npm: Don't know of any table. Zypper and common sense are your only tools here. | 19:47 |
| npm | basically there needs to be a name map of requires between distros, because its often a by-hand process | 19:47 |
| maligor | you mean by-head | 19:47 |
| gabrbedd | Most of the stuff I'm doing, I don't run into that. | 19:47 |
| gabrbedd | Tribal knowledge. :-) | 19:47 |
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| gabrbedd | However, naming is a Very Big Deal in a debian-based distro. | 19:47 |
| gabrbedd | In an RPM distro... it's Not As Big A Deal | 19:48 |
| gabrbedd | because dependencies are calculated (mostly) on the CONTENT of the rpm instead of the NAME of the package. | 19:48 |
| npm | and of course there's issues like fedora using python 2.7, or readline6 | 19:48 |
| gabrbedd | If you do your packaging to dedpend on package names, that's typically a mistake. | 19:49 |
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| slonopotamus | gabrbedd: debian naming is broken | 19:49 |
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| npm | here's a typical spec file and naming http://nielsmayer.com/qtractor-0.4.6-4.npm.fc12.spec | 19:51 |
| gabrbedd | slonopotamus: Sorry... was I appearing to be defending DEB ? :-p | 19:51 |
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| npm | e.g. 'jack-audio-connection-kit-devel' is often named something else in other distros | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus | if in rpm world names are "Not A Big Deal", rpm naming is also broken :) | 19:53 |
| gabrbedd | npm: Yep, that should be changed to BuildRequires: pkgconfig(jack) | 19:53 |
| gabrbedd | npm: And also with the other libs. | 19:53 |
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| gabrbedd | slonopotamus: I said not *AS* big a deal. It's still important. | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus | the only sane naming scheme is following upstream package names | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | MeeGoExperts: erm.... you've got something broken on your site | 19:54 |
| berndhs | gabrbedd: does that work for qt stuff ? | 19:54 |
| npm | if something triggered a zypper "pattern" name and then zypper patterns became the lookup table for cross-distro compatibility.... | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | MeeGoExperts: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/intel-meego-tablet-ux-open-source-running-nokia-n900/ row 8 | 19:55 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: You tell me. What does `rpm -q --provides qt` give you ? As well as `pkg-config --modversion QtGui` | 19:55 |
| npm | is that what pkgconfig(jack) does? | 19:55 |
| * gabrbedd may have flubbed up the rpm line there. | 19:55 | |
| gabrbedd | npm: Right... you can set your dependency on the pkg-config name instead of the Fedora|MeeGo|SuSe package name. | 19:56 |
| gabrbedd | npm: Which happens to be helpful with the Jack1/2 situation. | 19:56 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Note... if $UPSTREAM doesn't use pkg-config... then you're stuck using the package name. :-/ | 20:01 |
| npm | gabrbedd: that's why a rule-engine is needed on top of Spectacle :-/ | 20:02 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: That's why $UPSTREAM should use pkg-config | 20:03 |
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| npm | and why cats should all queue up in an orderly fashion when asked... | 20:04 |
| npm | :-) | 20:04 |
| gabrbedd | npm: As for spectacle... I don't like it. The `builder` feature is sometimes nice... but otherwise... | 20:04 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 20:04 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Plus, there's a bunch of MeeGo packages where the YAML file is way out-of-date... indicating that it's more trouble than it's worth sometimes. | 20:05 |
| npm | well that's good, then i don't have to change my presentation abstract, which basically says its hard | 20:06 |
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| npm | so you might as well rip off the rpm directly :-) | 20:06 |
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| npm | doesn't help for non x86'rs | 20:06 |
| npm | i want an OBS that i can just point it at all of rpmfusion/fedora/planetccrma's spec files and let it rip.... | 20:08 |
| gabrbedd | npm: Dunno. I haven't been doing much with non-x86... though I need to fix the ARM build for jack in OBS, now. | 20:08 |
| gabrbedd | npm: And I'm pretty sure there's someone that would be redfaced to read my comments about spectacle... so I'll quit while I'm ahead. :-) | 20:08 |
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| npm | well at least you didn't say http://bit.ly/gEIPtg :-) | 20:10 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: LOL | 20:12 |
| MeeGoExperts | Myritti: Hi, thanks. Sent you a MSG :-) | 20:12 |
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| * npm prints it out and sticks it to wall as reminder | 20:16 | |
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| npm | gotta love the name of the dude's python book : "python -- the hard way" | 20:16 |
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| npm | http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/learn-python-the-hard-way/13509215 | 20:17 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, is there any movement in bug 14383 ? | 20:21 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14383 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, SDK & Tools for openSUSE 11.4 | 20:21 |
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| smoku | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/03/25/open-letter-to-developer-community interesting | 21:20 |
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| ali1234 | "Our intention is that when users come to the end of the natural lifecycle of their Symbian device they will make the change to a Nokia Windows Phone device" | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | AHAHAHAHAHA | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | good luck with that | 21:27 |
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| * gabrbedd snickers | 21:31 | |
| iekku | open letter to not open developer community? | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | they still don't get it | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't care how easy it is to transition | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | i wouldn't make apps for microsoft even if there was an automatic and perfect converter and they paid me to do it | 21:33 |
| thiago_home | yep | 21:33 |
| smoku | never say never ;P | 21:33 |
| lcuk | ali1234, what do you code in? | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | C/C++ | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yeah, what framework, and do you release them as OSS? | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | whatever framework is suitable for the task, sometimes | 21:34 |
| lcuk | ok, which apps of yours are released | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | on mobile? none | 21:34 |
| lcuk | on desktop, on laptop, hell on yacht ux for all I care - just asking for an example of one of your apps :P | 21:35 |
| lcuk | and whether it is available for windows currently ;) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | uboot on n900 is ali1234's ;) | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | none of my apps are available for windows unless you compile them yourself | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | no doubt some of them would be compilable | 21:36 |
| lcuk | but if I compiled it, it would not stop being yours would it? | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | well if you compiled it for windows i certainly wouldn't support it | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | that's what matter, no? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:36 |
| npm | finally got past 'wc' versus bytecount disagreement.... http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-lem-experience-how-meego-and-lem-can-rock-internet-and-multimedia-leading-lin | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | in theory this would compile on windows, because ogre is ported to windows: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/robotkit/ | 21:37 |
| lcuk | cool | 21:38 |
| lcuk | just what Windows needs, more bugs | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | well if you have windows you can install microsoft .net robot simulator thing instead | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | it's better than mine anyway | 21:38 |
| berndhs | how does one get OBS to use the latest version of a package ? | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, isn't that automatic? | 21:40 |
| lcuk | ie repository 101, or is this rpm versioning gone odd | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean by "use" and "latest version"? | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | maybe you need to tick "use for build" on your project config? | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | achipa, o_O | 21:41 |
| lcuk | that tweet is certainly :O | 21:41 |
| berndhs | i mean that my package, for example, requires qt 4.7.1, so I want to use that for build and make a requirement when the result is installed | 21:41 |
| lcuk | for others: RT: @achipa Am I the only one thinking that "rm -rf ${MADDE_PATH}/bin" in a #MeeGo install script running as root and no empty-check is slightly daring? | 21:42 |
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| ali1234 | ow... | 21:42 |
| achipa | lcuk: they do have checks, but are indirect | 21:42 |
| achipa | as in 'is there something withing that dir' - but that doesn't mean that the dir is not / | 21:43 |
| achipa | (or empy) | 21:43 |
| lcuk | sure | 21:43 |
| achipa | btw I'm here with my last breath | 21:43 |
| achipa | if I close this IRC client, I'm not coming back till monday :) | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | ;) achipa enjoy the weekend | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it nuked your irc client too? | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: you need to put it in your spec then | 21:44 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: no, the whole KDE install (you're not reading meego-dev, eh ? :P ) | 21:44 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, "it"? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: briefly | 21:44 |
| berndhs | ali1234: that doesn't do it, i say >= 4.7.1 and is says not available | 21:44 |
| achipa | I wil try to re-apt stuff, but that rarely yields complete recovery | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: you need to build against a repo that actually has a matching version | 21:45 |
| berndhs | ali1234: yeah that's my question "against a repo", how do I tell it that ? | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | it's the first thing you do when you create a project... | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | go to your project, click repositories, click add repository... | 21:47 |
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| berndhs | i dont think that it, the issue is that 471 is not the install version, it is an update | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | then the problem is probably out of your control | 21:49 |
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| berndhs | was afraid of that :) | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | if the meego 1.1 packages on OBS are 1.1.0 and not 1.1.1 or whatever, then there isn't much you can do | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | but i don't know if that's the case | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | you could compile it for meego current instead | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | unless that's just a synonym for 1.1 | 21:50 |
| berndhs | i can make the pacakge on my meego machine, just not in OBS | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | makes sense, because you have a different set of packages to what obs has | 21:50 |
| berndhs | so I can't put it in my home: repo, not that anyone imports from there, but still | 21:51 |
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| ali1234 | what you could do, is put the qt 4.7.1 source rpm in your home project, build it, then build against it :) | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | of course building qt4 takes about 100 years | 21:52 |
| berndhs | it would probably work yes | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | and you probably need a bunch of other deps | 21:53 |
| berndhs | might as well go for 472 :) | 21:53 |
| berndhs | and just build once | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | why do you need 4.7.1 anyway? | 21:53 |
| berndhs | declarative works better in 471 | 21:53 |
| berndhs | things like "import QtQuick 1.0" dont work in 470 | 21:54 |
| berndhs | actually it will build, just wont run in 470 | 21:56 |
| lcuk | facepalm (and lol) at the comments on the Nokia Pure font announcement: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/03/24/nokia_launches_new_corporate_font/ | 21:57 |
| w00t_ | It just looks like Helvetica. | 21:58 |
| * w00t_ giggles | 21:58 | |
| berndhs | maybe i need to make my own personal font too | 21:58 |
| berndhs | to be a more complete person | 21:59 |
| lcuk | berndhs, if you help tidy up the sketch editor you can do :) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | took mrs lcuk about 30 minutes to make hers | 21:59 |
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| berndhs | i dont have anything with touch devices | 22:00 |
| berndhs | interestingly, touchpad are not touch devices | 22:01 |
| lcuk | agreed strongly | 22:01 |
| lcuk | so what do you run with meego on? | 22:01 |
| berndhs | laptops | 22:01 |
| berndhs | virtualbox | 22:01 |
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| berndhs | touchpads are weird though, their messages get translated to mouse messages | 22:02 |
| berndhs | do the information is basically there, just gets surpressed | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, many things get surpessed :) | 22:05 |
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| berndhs | yeah | 22:06 |
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| achipa | if can't find the meego linux SDK, you know who to blame :) | 22:14 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: Thanks! | 22:15 |
| DawnFoster | achipa: troublemaker :) | 22:16 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: That was the intel appup thing, though.... | 22:16 |
| gabrbedd | achipa: Thre's other SDK's from meego.com | 22:16 |
| achipa | yes, the installer | 22:16 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, manual install is the way to go right now for the sdk | 22:17 |
| DawnFoster | achipa: really sorry about that, but thanks for sending us all of the details. | 22:17 |
| achipa | DawnFoster: It's spilled milk now, I should have known better than to run that sort of stuff without checking it... but hey, hopefully it saves somebody else from making the same mistake | 22:21 |
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| DawnFoster | and provides us with a kick in the butt to get a new installer up asap | 22:21 |
| achipa | DawnFoster: besides, what sort of hardcore dev would I be if a reinstall here or a reinstall there would hinder me :) | 22:22 |
| DawnFoster | achipa: now there's the attitude I love to see from developers :) | 22:22 |
| DawnFoster | if you don't break something now and then, you aren't really trying hard enough | 22:23 |
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| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: ++ | 22:23 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: I was just about to say something like that :-) | 22:23 |
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| achipa | and the funniest part of it, it seems I have three applications that survived that episode - the irc client (pidgin), the browser (firefox) and... (drumroll) the nightly build of QtCreator :P | 22:24 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 22:24 |
| gabrbedd | Debian distros are all named after toy story characters. But "unstable" is always called 'sid'. Why? "Because sid likes to break toys." | 22:24 |
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| DawnFoster | well, anytime you can work a cartoon reference into an open source distro that's a win in my book | 22:25 |
| achipa | (note that coincidentally those three are the only really necessary for doing actual development ;) ) | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: how about your xterm | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 22:26 |
| achipa | nope, don't have it (konsole is dead, alt-f2 dead, cant launch new ones)... | 22:26 |
| achipa | unless you mean pure bash via ctrl-alt-f1 | 22:27 |
| lcuk | achipa, Ideal time to install Windows 7! | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: that's not even funny! | 22:27 |
| achipa | (camera zoom into pain-torn face) NOOOOOOOOOOOO :P | 22:27 |
| * w00t_ injects DawnFoster with coffee | 22:28 | |
| w00t_ | achipa: http://bit.ly/7C6b2K | 22:28 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: a-ha ! I can start an xterm by specifying it as a custom executable in qtcreator ! mwahaha | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 22:29 |
| w00t_ | so | 22:30 |
| w00t_ | here's an interesting pickle | 22:30 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: ha! thanks. My cup of green isn't really doing enough to counteract that massive Indian lunch I just had :) | 22:30 |
| achipa | w00t_: thx, just what I needed :) | 22:30 |
| w00t_ | i have fennect <defunct> taking up 50% of my CPU, and flush-btrfs-1 taking up the other 50% | 22:30 |
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| w00t_ | anyone ever seen that before? | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: isn't fennec great? | 22:30 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: if by 'great' you mean 'a stinking pile of brown stuff', then I think you'd be coming close to what I think :-) | 22:30 |
| * w00t_ gives up, reboots | 22:31 | |
| w00t_ | ooh, plot twist, the power button doesn't work | 22:32 |
| DawnFoster | oops, that green tea (also not typing well apparently) | 22:32 |
| * w00t_ sshs and reboots | 22:32 | |
| w00t_ | and sshd or wifi isn't working.. | 22:32 |
| * w00t_ yanks the battery | 22:32 | |
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| lcuk | can I install honeycomb on other device (might not be OSS but java bytecode is universal isn't it? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | still need to recompile bits | 22:38 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: here? | 22:38 |
| lbt | so you're working for intel in russia | 22:39 |
| lbt | and you have ~ 500 oss apps and some closed code | 22:39 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: np :) | 22:41 |
| mobs | hi, we have a local OBS instance and a project which mirrors the MeeGo:Trunk. Recently all packages are gone into an 'unresolvable' state with this message 'nothing provides libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.4.30) needed by rpm'. Any idea how to resolve this? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | wow lbt, you got all that info from him logging in ? | 22:41 |
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| amazon4ik_ | no, about 500 rpms, not pachages | 22:41 |
| lbt | so ... what kind of apps are we talking about (just out of interest) | 22:41 |
| lbt | lcuk: I have botz | 22:41 |
| lbt | enjoying your warm milk? | 22:42 |
| amazon4ik_ | the number of individual packages is 115 | 22:42 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: OK - the exact # isn't a big deal | 22:42 |
| lbt | 115 Qt vs 500 python libs... :) | 22:43 |
| lbt | but I'd like to understand what they are for capacity planning purposes | 22:43 |
| amazon4ik_ | there are port of ffmpeg, vlc, drivers for various wimax and wifi adapters | 22:43 |
| amazon4ik_ | support for ION chipset based on nouveau | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: ARM or X86? | 22:44 |
| amazon4ik_ | also we addes support for VPN to connman | 22:45 |
| mobs | both ARM and x86 | 22:45 |
| lcuk | lbt? warm milk!? | 22:45 |
| lbt | you left your camera on | 22:45 |
| lcuk | :O | 22:46 |
| lcuk | when? | 22:46 |
| * lcuk wonders when I even went on vid conferencing | 22:46 | |
| lcuk | or was it from my special site?! | 22:46 |
| lbt | <lmao> | 22:46 |
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| lbt | amazon4ik_: this sounds interesting | 22:47 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: what I'm thinking is how to manage these packages | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: do you have a local libxml2? could you check it's last build log and pastebin it? | 22:48 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: :) well.. but most packages were forked due to poor localization | 22:48 |
| lbt | OK - and how many of them in meego Trunk? | 22:49 |
| lbt | and how many people are working on maintaining them ? | 22:49 |
| lbt | (I'm wondering if you need a Project area for collaboration or if you're just going to push them to core Trunk) | 22:50 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: about 70-75 | 22:50 |
| lbt | so for those in core you can just work in a home: area and push patches or sr to :Trunk | 22:51 |
| lbt | you may even get an account on the core OBS for that | 22:51 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: actually 4 guys) | 22:51 |
| lbt | OK | 22:51 |
| amazon4ik_ | I know that I'll be able to make patches for the upstream obs. I's there a chance that these patches will be accepted before 1.2 release? | 22:53 |
| lbt | you may want to have a Project: area which you can use for the remaining 30+ packages | 22:54 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: that's up to the maintainers | 22:54 |
| lbt | I'm a bit out of the loop on meego release schedules atm | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | amazon4ik_: i think it's probably more realistic to head for 1.3 as Core is in feature freeze | 22:54 |
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| lbt | is localisation feature? | 22:55 |
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| lbt | but yeah | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | for localization it should be done through margie foster | 22:55 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: yes of course) | 22:55 |
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| DawnFoster | all kinds of details on how to get involved in MeeGo localization: http://wiki.meego.com/Localization_team | 22:56 |
| amazon4ik_ | who is margie foster? | 22:57 |
| lbt | DawnFoster, amazon4ik_ is doing work for Intel (in case you missed that bit - we msg'ed for a bit) | 22:57 |
| mobs | Stskeeps: yes I have a local libxml2. This is an extract of the logfile - http://pastebin.com/CM9d7t9u | 22:57 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I just like to drop random links into IRC that might be helpful :) | 22:57 |
| lbt | you scored on that one | 22:58 |
| DawnFoster | margie foster leads the MeeGo localization program http://meego.com/users/margie or margie.foster@intel.com | 22:59 |
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| amazon4ik_ | I got it) http://meego.com/users/margie | 23:00 |
| lbt | I'm just wondering how to handle ad-hoc groups of packages like this. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: https://build.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libxml2&project=Trunk&repository=standard shows it doesn't even provide that symbol in meego | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: so add Ignore: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.4.30) | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: to prjconf and see if that gets things moving | 23:01 |
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| lbt | amazon4ik_: the community would *like* to eventually have an area of community-maintained apps and libraries that are not in core - it sounds like you may want to be involved in that too | 23:01 |
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| mobs | Stskeeps: will give that a try. However, my prjconf is almost identical to the Trunk , with the exception of me not having the armv7h stuff in mine. | 23:03 |
| amazon4ik_ | yes. if it will look like Ubuntu's PPA, it would be exellent | 23:03 |
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| lbt | amazon4ik_: you get that from a home: area | 23:03 |
| lbt | what we'd like is more of a Universe | 23:04 |
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| lbt | but that needs more of a commitment from the maintainers | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: yeah, i think you managed to hit a bad state | 23:04 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: jus like on SUSE's OBS? | 23:04 |
| lbt | initially a Project: area gives a kind of group-ppa | 23:04 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: similar | 23:04 |
| lbt | amazon4ik_: could you get your other guys to ping me to enable their accounts too - and once you've started to get used to OBS and setup a structure in a home: area we can discuss a http://wiki.meego.com/OBS/Community_OBS/Project_Areas | 23:06 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: for now we used to use mic2 tools and some home-brown scripts for maintaining repos. It was good for 10 packages, but became bad for 110) | 23:07 |
| lbt | *nod* .... OBS should make life much easier | 23:08 |
| lbt | and you have a private OBS for your closed code? | 23:08 |
| lbt | so you can actually link them too (private to meego core and private to community) | 23:08 |
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| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: I can, but they prefer to communicate via email | 23:09 |
| lbt | that's fine ... email pings work too. | 23:10 |
| amazon4ik_ | lbt_: as well, it's 00:10 now in SPb, pretty late for work) | 23:10 |
| lbt | *g* | 23:11 |
| lbt | OK - I'm here a lot - yell if you need anything | 23:11 |
| amazon4ik_ | thank you! | 23:14 |
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| mobs | Stskeeps: added Ignore: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.4.30) to the prjconf, but I see a lot of other related unresolvables, such as: | 23:16 |
| mobs | - zypper (spec) unresolvables: nothing provides libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.5.0) needed by rpm nothing provides libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.5.0) needed by libarchive nothing provides libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.5.2) needed by libarchive nothing provides libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.5.0) needed by libzypp | 23:17 |
| alterego | Anyone here have anything to do with the sf2011 registration system? | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | mobs: looks like your snapshot might be broken | 23:17 |
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| mobs | Stskeeps: Any suggestions on getting this going? I've stopped/re-started all OBS services and had no luck | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | mobs: i'd personally end up giving up and just osc wipebinaries the repo :P | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | so it rebuilds into a proper state | 23:19 |
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| mobs | Stskeeps: we also have another project which is a linked project to the Trunk and I see the same behavior there | 23:20 |
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| mobs | Stskeeps: thanks for the suggestions. will give that a shot. | 23:21 |
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| lbt | I see BoF proposals... | 23:29 |
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| lbt | is SF2011 open for them? | 23:29 |
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| andybleaden | think so | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 23:30 |
| lbt | good | 23:30 |
| DawnFoster | BoF proposals are due in a few hours, just like the rest of the proposals | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | true, i have to spend my weekend to read proposals :P | 23:31 |
| * lbt types faster | 23:31 | |
| DawnFoster | 23:59 PST (in 9.5 hours) | 23:31 |
| Myrtti | you can blame me for the bofs | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 23:32 |
| Myrtti | I proposed one first :-P | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | Porting of MeeGo on LGE Multiple Smart Devices and intriduction on LGE's open source contribution plan for MeeGo. | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | now that one is interesting | 23:32 |
| lbt | indeed | 23:33 |
| Myrtti | gnite | 23:34 |
| lbt | you just arrived! | 23:34 |
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| gabrbedd | The LGE is interesting. | 23:35 |
| gabrbedd | Funny, though... their proposal is so short. I remember doing meticulous word counts on my proposal to meet the guidelines. :-) | 23:36 |
| lbt | you too | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: when you're reading 200 proposals, it might be a plus that a proposal is straight to the point | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:37 |
| lbt | I guess when you know you're getting the talk you don't feel the need to justify it | 23:37 |
| gabrbedd | Then, erm... change your rules! :-p | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | Myrtti is a trendsetter! | 23:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: actually, what gabrbedd said | 23:37 |
| gabrbedd | I even brushed up my bio until I saw that nobody else was doing that. | 23:38 |
| lbt | have a "paragraph for judges" | 23:38 |
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| lbt | since I assume the summary and abstract would go into the programme and would be seen by attendees | 23:38 |
| lbt | and I'm writing it for them, not you | 23:38 |
| lbt | (sorry) | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 23:40 |
| * Stskeeps heads to sleep | 23:40 | |
| DawnFoster | night Stskeeps | 23:40 |
| gabrbedd | hahaha! | 23:40 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 23:40 |
| gabrbedd | good night, dude! | 23:40 |
| lbt | o/ | 23:40 |
| * gabrbedd considers gutting his proposal before the deadline.... | 23:42 | |
| lbt | X-Fade: I thought you were doing the abstract on MeeGo.com Community Infrastructure : A virtualised OBS ecosystem ?? | 23:43 |
| * gabrbedd thinks he saw that one... | 23:44 | |
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| andybleaden | for all of those with proposals.never a better time than now! | 23:46 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Nope, it was yours that I saw. | 23:51 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: "So you want to build a.... ecosystem" | 23:52 |
| lbt | yep | 23:52 |
| lbt | that's the one I really care about :) | 23:53 |
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| auke | DawnFoster: hey, about that SDK message on the list - I didn't want to poor oil on the fire, but rants without bugreports are really useless to engineers :) | 23:53 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Ah... I see the "MC Commun Infra... virtualized OBS..." one, now. | 23:54 |
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| DawnFoster | auke: well, part of the issue is that the installer didn't have a component to file against | 23:56 |
| DawnFoster | he did file a bug to create the component so that he could file another bug | 23:56 |
| auke | ah, good | 23:56 |
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| DawnFoster | the issue was serious enough that we pulled the installer offline | 23:56 |
| CosmoHill | hello .o/ | 23:56 |
| DawnFoster | & bob's team will have a new one next week (assuming no qa issues) | 23:56 |
| gabrbedd | auke: DawnFoster So, we file appup bugs on BMC ? | 23:57 |
| DawnFoster | gabrbedd: that's part of the problem | 23:57 |
| gabrbedd | yep! :-) | 23:57 |
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| DawnFoster | technically, it was the meego sdk installer for tablet which lives on appup right now | 23:58 |
| DawnFoster | until they finish open sourcing it, which is when everything will get easier | 23:58 |
| DawnFoster | and should happen very soon | 23:58 |
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