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| * w00t_ "relaxes" | 00:24 | |
| w00t_ | finally got a bunch of the scary, overdue TODO items on my list done, then I realise just how many more of them I haven't done lately | 00:25 |
| w00t_ | I hate that feeling | 00:25 |
| w00t_ | how are we all? seems quiet in here this evening | 00:25 |
| haltdef | you ruined it | 00:27 |
| * w00t_ pokes haltdef | 00:27 | |
| w00t_ | long time no see | 00:27 |
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| haltdef | what, I've been lurking in here for weeks now | 00:28 |
| haltdef | how rude :( | 00:28 |
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| auke | haltdef: I can kick you if you desire | 00:29 |
| * w00t_ ponders hacking on libseaside some more | 00:29 | |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: ping, are you here? | 00:30 |
| w00t_ | auke: o/ | 00:30 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: have we announced the extension? | 00:31 |
| lbt | hey auke | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: I haven't read anything about it | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | and I tend to keep on top of RSS/mail | 00:31 |
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| thiago_home | we're at 115 sessions | 00:33 |
| thiago_home | so great showing today | 00:33 |
| thiago_home | but I've told some people that they had more time | 00:33 |
| * w00t_ told some people, too | 00:33 | |
| thiago_home | I want a few QML sessions from my team in... | 00:33 |
| w00t_ | though I think that's also one reason you got a good proportion of the 115.. :p | 00:34 |
| * lbt checks the 'Infra' proposal.... X-Fade thought we had more time to finish that | 00:34 | |
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| lbt | mmm ... no abstract.... | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | we did manage to triple the number of submissions compared to yesterday morning | 00:35 |
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| DawnFoster | I think amy was going to announce the extension | 00:39 |
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| thiago_home | DawnFoster: could you poke her? | 00:40 |
| thiago_home | (gently) | 00:41 |
| lbt | what a gentleman | 00:41 |
| thiago_home | knowing amy, I know she's very busy with everything and it's not like she needs more things to do | 00:42 |
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| thiago_home | DawnFoster: oh, btw, are you coming to LCS? | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: want more Norwegian chocolate? | 00:42 |
| DawnFoster | ha! | 00:43 |
| DawnFoster | I am coming to LCS, but probably don't need more chocolate :) | 00:43 |
| DawnFoster | I appreciate the offer, tho | 00:43 |
| DawnFoster | but then I'd have to spend more time at the gym working it off. | 00:43 |
| thiago_home | you know, it's only 200g or so... | 00:44 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, since you got a virtual offer of chocolate, don't you now need to browse the gym website to work it off? | 00:44 |
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| DawnFoster | hey, I'm trying to be good here! | 00:45 |
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| w00t_ | being good is overrated | 00:46 |
| * w00t_ would have that norwegian chocolate in a heartbeat | 00:46 | |
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| thiago_home | w00t_: when are you or kamilla coming to oslo? | 00:47 |
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| w00t_ | soonest will be around july, probably | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | she has to graduate first | 00:47 |
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| w00t_ | thankfully, we're very very close to that, after ~4 years of being rained on | 00:48 |
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| * w00t_ cannot wait to leave the country :-) | 00:48 | |
| * thiago_home would leave some in Helsinki for w00t_ if he knew it wouldn't "disappear" | 00:48 | |
| w00t_ | those darn sneaky finns... | 00:48 |
| lcuk | w00t_, step over the border from Hull and into England :P | 00:49 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: haha | 00:49 |
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| w00t_ | it's admittedly wetter here than anywhere else, I think | 00:49 |
| * w00t_ cannot get over how much faster the virtual keyboard seems nowdays | 00:50 | |
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| lcuk | you don't visit Manchester often enough | 00:50 |
| lcuk | vkb is quite awesome now, lots of hard work gone into optimising it | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | what happened with the meetup suggestion there? | 00:50 |
| lcuk | sunday 2pm MOSI | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | whaaaaat | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | this sunday? | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | arrrgh | 00:51 |
| lcuk | yea, good excuse for a pint | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | I thought I mail subscribed to the thread, I guess not | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | I'll see if I can organise that tomorrow, dunno if I can make it though as we were hitting the movies | 00:52 |
| w00t_ | but yes, would be nice | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, it is a bar finding mission really, since there haven't been any meetups around Manchester need to find somewhere nice to sit | 00:55 |
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| w00t_ | :) | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, eep seems it is not at MOSI afterall (see I am subscribed and still did not know :P) it is at Knott bar just round the corner | 01:09 |
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| DawnFoster | http://sf2011.meego.com/news/call-proposals-has-been-extended-meego-conference | 01:12 |
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| DawnFoster | we're giving everyone an extra week to submit | 01:13 |
| thiago_home | thanks dawn (and amy) | 01:13 |
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| DawnFoster | it's all Amy :) | 01:13 |
| DawnFoster | I'm just the one hanging out on IRC | 01:13 |
| * thiago_home did get an email from a colleague saying "sorry, I didn't have time, maybe next year" | 01:13 | |
| thiago_home | I answered: "you're not off the hook, we're extending the deadline" :-) | 01:13 |
| w00t_ | haha | 01:13 |
| DawnFoster | nice! | 01:13 |
| * w00t_ still has no idea what to talk about | 01:14 | |
| thiago_home | I asked him to submit about QML2 (QML with Scene Graph and all the goodies we're developing) | 01:14 |
| w00t_ | scene graph is nice :) | 01:14 |
| w00t_ | happy to see the picture with wayland starting to come together a bit more, too | 01:14 |
| thiago_home | the scene graph lead will probably submit a bof (he said he doesn't have time to make a presentation *and* finish scene graph) | 01:15 |
| thiago_home | yeah, jørgen submitted his talk today too | 01:15 |
| thiago_home | I guess he and krh will have a lot to chat about | 01:16 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 01:16 |
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| thiago_home | DawnFoster: please ask amy if she wants chocolate :-) | 01:18 |
| DawnFoster | thiago_home: Amy says "Yes!!! Please. it's AMAZING" | 01:20 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 01:20 |
| w00t_ | see, dawn? | 01:20 |
| w00t_ | that was supposed to be your answer :) | 01:20 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 01:20 |
| w00t_ | i seem to be utterly incapable of getting anything more done today, heh | 01:21 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: she's half Norwegian, she has to like it :-) | 01:21 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: if she doesn't come to LCS, will you take it back to Portland for her? | 01:22 |
| w00t_ | i dunno, that dawn doesn't seem an entirely trustworthy character around chocolate :-P | 01:22 |
| DawnFoster | I'm almost positive she'll be at LCS - we're doing a bunch of stuff there | 01:22 |
| lcuk | w00t_, that WAS her answer, but the damn autocorrect | 01:22 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_'s right - I can't be trusted :) | 01:23 |
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| thiago_home | you just said you didn't want it | 01:23 |
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| thiago_home | anyway, I can't be blamed for your extended gym time if you steal her chocolate | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | anything I can bring to you then? | 01:24 |
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| DawnFoster | no, I'm in good shape, but thank you for offering! | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | ok, then Qt stickers it is | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 01:25 |
| DawnFoster | oooh, I wonder if we should print more stickers for collab summit | 01:26 |
| * w00t_ notes he needs a new Qt sticker for his n900 | 01:26 | |
| w00t_ | my old one has started to scratch off | 01:26 |
| w00t_ | it is ... not so cute *takes off sunglasses* | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | the one I had in the inside of my laptop scratched off in 2 months. The one on the outside (back of the screen) is a year and counting. | 01:27 |
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| w00t_ | inside of laptop, good idea | 01:27 |
| w00t_ | I'm missing a few there :-P | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | the KDE one I put where the Windows sticker was is holding fine | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | I scratched all the windows off my sticker | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | it's now just a white blob | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | (which looks kind of cool) | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | I didn't scratch it. I peeled it off while Linux was installing, the very first day I got this laptop... | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | well I didn't really scratch it either | 01:29 |
| w00t_ | it rubbed off over time | 01:29 |
| w00t_ | I left it on to see what would happen | 01:29 |
| w00t_ | the Intel and NVidia stickers fared much better | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | my "Intel Centrino inside" sticker is always found slightly crooked | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | it keeps turning... | 01:30 |
| w00t_ | haha | 01:30 |
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| w00t_ | I had that problem a few laptops ago | 01:30 |
| w00t_ | I ended up just pulling it off and sticking it on the screen bezel | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | but now I want one that says "Sandy Bridge inside" (and is true) | 01:31 |
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| w00t_ | the new mbps are sandy bridge, aren't they? | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | yep | 01:32 |
| * w00t_ is looking at buying one | 01:32 | |
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| Robot101 | anyone got qgil's US number? he's based in sunnyvale, right? | 02:42 |
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| pavlix | hi, I'm using the public build service and I added a meego 1.0 repository to my project but it won't build (it won't even show any info about building against Meego 1.0), any suggestions? | 03:36 |
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| ali1234 | pavlix: can you link to your project? | 03:38 |
| pavlix | ali1234: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Apavlix | 03:39 |
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| pavlix | I'm new, so you may encounter beginner errors there | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | well, you might need to wait a while before the server gets around to processing your stuff | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | not sure... | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | i think it should say that the packages are queued | 03:40 |
| ali1234 | or scheduled | 03:41 |
| pavlix | I was working with Meego 1.1 before that and it always showed me at least some status in several seconds | 03:41 |
| ali1234 | ah did you just add in 1.1 again? | 03:42 |
| pavlix | yep | 03:42 |
| ali1234 | yeah, something odd going on there | 03:42 |
| pavlix | but I left 1.0 also | 03:42 |
| pavlix | anyway, Fedora 14 would not add at all, but that's not so important for me | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | weird | 03:43 |
| lcuk | 4 packages are blocked | 03:46 |
| lcuk | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor | 03:46 |
| lcuk | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old actually shows details | 03:46 |
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| ali1234 | well, i can't really suggest anything... you need an obs expert, i am barely even a beginner | 03:47 |
| pavlix | that sound bad | 03:48 |
| ali1234 | it would not surprise me if the 1.0 repo was somehow broken though | 03:48 |
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| ali1234 | 1.0 was a bit of a mess really, nobody really knew how to build it from scratch, and the core obs was not visible to the public at that time | 03:49 |
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| pavlix | my gobject introspection package stopped even building for 1.1 for me | 03:49 |
| pavlix | it doesn't matter anyway | 03:49 |
| ali1234 | hmm really? | 03:50 |
| ali1234 | it failed though right? | 03:50 |
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| ali1234 | error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: | 03:51 |
| ali1234 | i hate that error | 03:51 |
| pavlix | it failed but with an error that doesn't make sense to me | 03:51 |
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| ali1234 | when you build an rpm you have to provide a list of all files that will go in the rpm | 03:51 |
| pavlix | I don't think this version is distributing source code with a binary package | 03:51 |
| ali1234 | if the build system creates more files than the ones you listed you get this error | 03:52 |
| pavlix | these are source files | 03:52 |
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| ali1234 | you must either add them to the file list if you want them in the rpm or delete them after the build step if you don't | 03:52 |
| pavlix | and I would think it already wored | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | what the files are is irrelevant :) | 03:52 |
| pavlix | no | 03:52 |
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| ali1234 | it tried to install them | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | this is all rpmbuild cares about | 03:52 |
| pavlix | the source code is usually not installed by make install | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | usually | 03:52 |
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| pavlix | let's wait for the local build's results | 03:55 |
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| pavlix | ali1234: why does https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.1%3ACore say it has no packages yet? | 04:02 |
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| ali1234 | pavlix: i think because it is just a set of binary rpms | 04:03 |
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| ali1234 | pavlix: the community OBS doesn't build all of meego from scratch, it reuses the binary rpms from core repos | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | so there is nothing actually being built in there | 04:04 |
| pavlix | ali1234: can one actually see what it's using, or it's some hidden magic? | 04:05 |
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| ali1234 | it used to be hidden magic but not you can look on the core OBS at the whole build process: | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | http://build.meego.com | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | s/not/now/ | 04:05 |
| pavlix | ali1234: ok, thanks, but can I see somewhere at build.pub, that a project is using binary rpms from elsewhere? | 04:06 |
| ali1234 | you can look at the project config | 04:06 |
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| ali1234 | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/prjconf?project=MeeGo%3A1.1%3ACore | 04:07 |
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| ali1234 | basically all the stuff under advanced | 04:07 |
| ali1234 | making sense of it is hard though | 04:07 |
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| ali1234 | doesn't mean much to me i'm afraid | 04:07 |
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| pavlix | thanks, it doesn't mean much to me eigher, but at least I'm getting a breaf idea how it may work :) | 04:10 |
| lcuk | pavlix, what are you building in there? | 04:12 |
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| pavlix | lcuk: just some specific versions of packages, I need sufficiently new clutter & mx | 04:13 |
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| pavlix | ali1234: I was wrong about the source file..... fixing the spec file does the job | 04:13 |
| lcuk | pavlix, cool | 04:14 |
| pavlix | lcuk: I'm a total newcomer to OBS, but I'm getting better :) | 04:16 |
| lcuk | pavlix, how did you build your app before OBS? | 04:18 |
| pavlix | lcuk: I'm not using it for my app, but only for new versions of various libraries.... before that, I used either configure&make or jhbuild or rpmbuild | 04:19 |
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| pavlix | what's the easiest way to get the repo file for my project? | 04:20 |
| pavlix | sorry, I'm there :) | 04:21 |
| pavlix | unfortunately, I can't probably use it anyway, as I have Meego 1.0 for development, not 1.1 | 04:22 |
| lcuk | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/pavlix/meego_1.1_core_Netbook/ | 04:22 |
| lcuk | but in general, from your info page, click repositories tab at the top | 04:23 |
| lcuk | then the specific repo details page | 04:23 |
| lcuk | then there is a link to the download repo | 04:23 |
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| pavlix | lcuk: yep, this works | 04:26 |
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| rdesfo1 | hello | 05:55 |
| rdesfo1 | I have a ASUS Eee PC Convertible Tablet and I'm trying to get meego to work with the touch screen. So far I installed meegotouch-compositor, meegotouch-applauncherd-testapps, xinput_calibrator, meegotouch-home, meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard, meegotouch-systemui | 05:56 |
| rdesfo1 | But the calibration fails when I run it. Does any one know how to get meego to work with the touch screen? | 05:57 |
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| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: How is your touchscreen behaving? What does it do? ...or /not/ do? | 06:17 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: ...and did it work with the Netbook 1.1 UX? | 06:18 |
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| rdesfo1 | when I touch the screen the mouse goes to the upper left corner | 06:18 |
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| rdesfo1 | the screen works fine with windows7 that is the default OS installed on it | 06:18 |
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| rdesfo1 | gabrbedd: when I run the calibration it failes | 06:19 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: Erm... it's not that simple. However, chances are that you can get it to work with a kernel "quirk" | 06:20 |
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| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: It requires (a) determining the actual touchscreen you have... getting the vendor ID and device ID, | 06:20 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: and then (b) editing /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf to add the quirk. | 06:21 |
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| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: The root problem is that there's not a proper driver in the kernel for your touchscreen... but usually when they behave like you describe, it can be made to work like this. | 06:21 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: If you can give me (a), I can give you (b). | 06:22 |
| rdesfo1 | where do I find the vendor ID and device ID? | 06:22 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: sudo lsusb -v | more | 06:22 |
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| gabrbedd | it'll be idVendor and idProduct... hex numbers that look like 0x02a1 | 06:23 |
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| rdesfo1 | gabrbedd:idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation | 06:26 |
| rdesfo1 | gabrbedd:idProduct 0x0001 1.1 root hub | 06:27 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: Nope... that's your USB hub. | 06:28 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: Are you able to do this... sudo lsusb -v > /tmp/usb-info.txt | 06:28 |
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| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: And then send me the file /tmp/usb-info.txt via pastebin or email? | 06:28 |
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| rdesfo1 | yep one sec | 06:30 |
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| rdesfo1 | gabrbedd: sorry for the wait git://gist.github.com/877228.git | 06:40 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: a git repos? LOL... didn't expect that. :-) | 06:40 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: OK,.. idVendor = 0x0486 ASUS Computers, Inc. | 06:42 |
| gabrbedd | and idProduct = 0x0186 | 06:42 |
| rdesfo1 | gabrbedd:thanks | 06:43 |
| gabrbedd | edit /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf to add usbhid.quirks=0x0486:0x0186:0x40 | 06:43 |
| gabrbedd | ...at the end of the "append" line | 06:44 |
| gabrbedd | If you wanna do a magic trick... here's one... | 06:44 |
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| gabrbedd | sudo sed -i 's/^\([ \t]*append.*\)/\1 usbhid.quirks=0x0486:0x0186:0x40/' /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf | 06:45 |
| gabrbedd | ...all on one line. | 06:45 |
| * gabrbedd copy/pasted that, btw | 06:45 | |
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| rdesfo1 | gabrbedd:It worked thank you very much :) | 07:00 |
| gabrbedd | rdesfo1: sweet! | 07:01 |
| gabrbedd | i suppose I should write that on a wiki somewhere... this is becoming a more common question. | 07:02 |
| rdesfo1 | The sed command would need to be updated...It added the quirk line to the windows boot option (which is listed as other) | 07:02 |
| gabrbedd | windows? | 07:03 |
| gabrbedd | We don't need no stinking windows! | 07:03 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 07:03 |
| rdesfo1 | :) | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, 130 presentations to sort through is a lot better than 30 :P | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn thiago_home | 08:31 |
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| thiago_home | moin Stskeeps | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | think it was a good idea to extend, even though we're at 120-130 now, there still lacks more "edge" proposals to make it a really good program | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | (just browsed through the proposals) | 08:53 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 08:54 |
| thiago_home | we also need to look at the schedule grid, to see how many we can accept | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:54 |
| thiago_home | since we're doing all 3 days this time, I think we should range at 100 | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | have to keep room for the late-breaking news as well | 08:55 |
| thiago_home | yes, the usual | 08:55 |
| thiago_home | with dirk on vacation for the next two weeks, we'll have to make do between the both of us | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i just filed a bug that xls export is not functioning properly | 08:56 |
| thiago_home | close on the 25, try to get the first wave (90%) by april 8, final schedule by 22? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | provided the sponsorship people can live with those dates | 08:57 |
| * thiago_home will be in the US for Camp KDE and LCS between April 2 and 9 | 08:57 | |
| thiago_home | hmm? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's bound to be sponsorsed participants that can only go speak if sponsored | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | so that usually requires them to know as early as possible for budget reasons, so it would be good to sync when they ideally need an indication if someone speaks or not | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | (if that doesn't make sense, i need to get more coffee) | 08:59 |
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| thiago_home | right, that's why the confirmation of 90% earlier | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:10 |
| thiago_home | and the final confirmation (including rejects) one month in advance of the conference | 09:10 |
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| bluelf | meego not in gsoc ? why? | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | bluelf: whoever managed the process didn't want/thought application was bad/we didn't include enough hello kitty drawings | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | in short, we don't know :) | 09:17 |
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| bluelf | I want to work , I have basic programming experience , I am willing to learn . How can I start developing or at least learning how to develop meego.Please tell me where to start . | 09:20 |
| bluelf | I have tried the wiki I dint get much ! | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | start learning qt and qml, that's best step :) | 09:23 |
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| kyb3R | select easy bug from tracker and try to fix it :) | 09:26 |
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| iekku | morning | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 11:11 |
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| alterego | Is there a current list of accepted talks for sf2011? | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | none has been accepted yet | 11:24 |
| alterego | Oh, hah, just thought it'd be good if I tried to be unique :P | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | use the call for presentations text as inspiration and that should get a good idea :) | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | there's a list of proposed talks on website | 11:25 |
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| alterego | Ah m'kay | 11:26 |
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| iekku | lots of new proposes there, nice | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:33 |
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| iekku | hope lots of them coming | 11:33 |
| iekku | good ones, to make Stskeeps's work harder :P | 11:33 |
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| alterego | Heh, got a link to the page? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions | 11:37 |
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| alterego | "How to make your session suck less" hahah | 11:39 |
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| alterego | "QML Quality Assurance" I wanna watch that one | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | sabotage also has a dialer session | 11:41 |
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| alterego | Ah | 11:44 |
| alterego | :) | 11:44 |
| timoph | qml qa sounds interesting | 11:48 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I wanna watch that one. | 11:49 |
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| alterego | I'm suprised no one has started a qml javascript repository thingy | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary spoke of some code snippets storage or something like that at some point | 12:07 |
| alterego | Yeah, that kind of thing :) | 12:07 |
| alterego | I might do some research in using jquery and protoype libs | 12:08 |
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| pavlix | hi again, would it be possible to build with OBS against Meego 1.0? (yesterday nobody knew :)) | 13:40 |
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| dm8tbr | try and find out? :) | 13:43 |
| pavlix | dm8tbr: I did | 13:45 |
| pavlix | dm8tbr: it's broken | 13:45 |
| dm8tbr | ah, poke lbt or X-Fade then :) | 13:46 |
| lbt | MeeGo 1.0 ... hmm | 13:47 |
| lbt | why? | 13:48 |
| lbt | let me rephrase ... "goddamit that's more work... how useful is it really?" :D | 13:48 |
| lbt | and define "broken" | 13:49 |
| pavlix | lbt: because it's preinstalled and because I have not yet persuaded the company to give me upgrade instructions for the particular box, and because I'm afraid of reinstalling as I never worked with Redboot | 13:49 |
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| pavlix | lbt: so broken that the build information doesn't even appear | 13:49 |
| lbt | <mutter> sounds reasonable | 13:49 |
| lbt | what project? | 13:50 |
| pavlix | lbt: better see yourself: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Apavlix | 13:50 |
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| lbt | pavlix: I'm going to add MeeGo:1.0:Core to your repo path ... OK ? | 13:53 |
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| pavlix | lbt: ok | 13:53 |
| lbt | so ... the way 1,0 seems to work is that you have 1.0:Core with a prjconf | 13:54 |
| lbt | there must be a prjconf somewhere as it essentially defines what the minimal chroot it | 13:55 |
| lbt | is | 13:55 |
| lbt | then ... for 1.0 ... the Netbook repo is *added* to that. | 13:55 |
| joppu | penis | 13:55 |
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| lbt | it looks like the pre-defined setup isn't quite right... let me review it | 13:55 |
| lbt | however... https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Apavlix | 13:56 |
| lbt | you haz clutter already ;) | 13:56 |
| joppu | mitäh? | 13:56 |
| pavlix | lbt: thanks a lot, this way it will be much easier | 13:56 |
| lbt | np pavlix :) | 13:56 |
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| pavlix | this OBS doesn't seem partucilarly fast.... but it's still faster than the box.... and it gets me a repository for free :) | 13:57 |
| lbt | it should be fast | 13:57 |
| pavlix | I hope to switch to 1.1 anyway | 13:58 |
| lbt | I think we need to work on the HW/OS tuning though | 13:58 |
| pavlix | when I build the same on my laptop for Fedora, it's still faster | 13:59 |
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| pavlix | but I'm too lazy to set up all stuff there | 13:59 |
| lbt | using "osc build" ? | 13:59 |
| lbt | or just 'make' ? | 14:00 |
| pavlix | lbt: nono, just rpmbuild on Fedora | 14:00 |
| lbt | ah... well it's doing a heck of a lot less work then. So you could have faulty build-deps and it'd still build if they were installed on your laptop | 14:01 |
| pavlix | lbt: and... I cannot add Fedora repository to OBS | 14:01 |
| pavlix | lbt: using the one from the listing | 14:01 |
| lbt | file a bug... :) | 14:01 |
| lbt | (please) | 14:01 |
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| pavlix | lbt: I'm a little bit confused where to file it | 14:02 |
| lbt | https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Build%20Service | 14:02 |
| lbt | I'm just noting the MeeGo:1.0:Netbook issue | 14:02 |
| pavlix | ok | 14:02 |
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| lbt | pavlix: what product/device BTW | 14:04 |
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| pavlix | lbt: sort of a intel atom based HTPC with redboot and meego | 14:05 |
| * lbt is interested ... is it a commercial device? | 14:05 | |
| pavlix | lbt: I got it as a testing machine for my work, closed source, unfortunately | 14:06 |
| lbt | np... just interested | 14:06 |
| lbt | can you say what company? | 14:06 |
| pavlix | lbt: for me it's really just a metal box without proper cover, before that I used a dell netbook with meego for development | 14:07 |
| pavlix | lbt: company name is not so confidential :), it is a local company in Czech Republic, Lica, you probably don't know | 14:08 |
| lbt | no - but it's good to get an understanding of what's happening :) | 14:08 |
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| pupnik_ | the ruler takes the boy just as he enters manhood and teaches him that his highest duty is to shoot a bullet through his neighbors heart | 14:11 |
| pavlix | lbt: they're doing many sorts of TV stuff :) | 14:11 |
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| pavlix | lbt: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14707 | 14:27 |
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| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14707 nor, Undecided, ---, maemo, NEW, Fedora 14 repository can't be added to a community build service project | 14:27 |
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| araujo | morning | 14:38 |
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| lbt | ta | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | morning araujo \o | 16:40 |
| lcuk | what are you upto today? | 16:40 |
| alterego | Hey lcuk | 16:41 |
| lcuk | hi alterego \o | 16:41 |
| alterego | Glorious day isn't it :) | 16:41 |
| alterego | I was just trying to ride a unicycle with my gf | 16:41 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, even with no accepted sessions, are there any you are liking the look of? | 16:41 |
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| alterego | lcuk: qml qa looks good, | 16:42 |
| lcuk | alterego, not looked | 16:42 |
| alterego | ;) | 16:42 |
| lcuk | alterego, which session? (link?) | 16:42 |
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| alterego | Kates AR drone as well | 16:42 |
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| alterego | Those are the ones I've remembered anyway :D | 16:43 |
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| alterego | lcuk: have you seen this? http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions | 16:43 |
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| iekku | no new sessions in several hours | 16:44 |
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| iekku | :( | 16:44 |
| araujo | lcuk, morning there o/ | 16:44 |
| araujo | lcuk, not much, just getting used to my new glasses :P | 16:45 |
| lcuk | alterego, am not asking for the whoe list (ta though) was asking for specifics you liked (and having a link nearby helps people digging in future) | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | araujo, awesome, what kind are you getting? | 16:45 |
| alterego | lcuk: okay, I'll look through them again and make some notes. | 16:45 |
| alterego | I'd like to keep track/remember anyway ;) | 16:45 |
| lcuk | there you go :) | 16:46 |
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| lcuk | araujo, are you going to have embedded HUD on the new ones? | 16:47 |
| lcuk | BIG BACON detector! | 16:47 |
| araujo | lcuk, just some polycarbonate glasses :P | 16:48 |
| araujo | hahaha | 16:48 |
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| alterego | lcuk: looking again, there's actually quite a lot I'm interested in seeing .. | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | alterego, yeah there are a load of sessions | 16:50 |
| lcuk | morning arjan \o | 16:51 |
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| alterego | lcuk: I might have to c&p these to pastie.org for you ;) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | alterego, it is not for me :) it is just to have a discussion | 16:54 |
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| * lcuk is not even on the conf list yet | 16:54 | |
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| lcuk | berndhs, :P | 16:55 |
| alterego | I think a lot of the qml ones could be merged into fewer but more meaty talks. | 16:55 |
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| alterego | lcuk: obviously this one: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-12-developer-edition-nokia-n900 :D | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | I still want to know how we will get meego on smaller, less powerful devices | 16:57 |
| lcuk | heh alterego | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i believe nokia 770 could technically run meego, just not handset ux | 16:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, good, what about some sort of small media playing device rather than solely large format high resolution tabletish things? | 16:58 |
| alterego | MeeGo PMP? | 16:58 |
| alterego | (Portable Media Player) | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i mean, why not.. we might have to go to non-Xorg though | 16:58 |
| * alterego chuckles | 16:58 | |
| lcuk | alterego, Stskeeps is already a PMP | 16:58 |
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| * alterego chuckles | 16:59 | |
| Stskeeps | Pretty Manly Person? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:59 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:59 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVPOEmOVnQ | 16:59 |
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| alterego | There seem to be a lot of "write apps in qml" and "write apps in qml with qt components" | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | we might suggest to some to merge their talks | 17:00 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, cool, that seems nicely responsive | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | lower resolution helps | 17:00 |
| alterego | What I'd like to see is fewer of those, but merged with the things like "qml localisation" | 17:00 |
| RST38h | OMGITISN910 | 17:00 |
| alterego | and "qml qa testing framwork" | 17:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ? | 17:01 |
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| alterego | Admittedly the testing one may be better on its' own. | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Actually, looks pretty snappy, even although it is probably staged | 17:01 |
| alterego | Maybe I could ask sabotage if he wants me to talk a bit with him wrt dialer | 17:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it gets easier to do things faster when you lower the resolution | 17:01 |
| lcuk | n810 experience: 800*480 == 25fps, 640*480 == 33fps | 17:02 |
| lcuk | and continuing that trend | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | at 2*2 I think it managed over 9000 fps | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | alterego, why don't you use the dialer itself and talk in person | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, same effect occurs with Qt running on the N8 (since it is 640*360 or some such) | 17:05 |
| alterego | lcuk: isn't that what I said? | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | alterego, actually dial him up | 17:05 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:05 |
| lcuk | on stage would be awesome use of it between you guys | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | qml and native code, connected. cue Nokia ringtone | 17:06 |
| alterego | :) | 17:06 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:06 |
| alterego | Nokia connecting APIs | 17:06 |
| RST38h | QML does not exist without native code afaik | 17:06 |
| lcuk | RST38h, that is the point | 17:07 |
| lcuk | qml makes nice UI front ends | 17:07 |
| RST38h | So, not sure what you mean by "connected" here, it may be a misunderstanding of the API scope | 17:07 |
| lcuk | without the support of the backend code it is just pretty | 17:07 |
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| alterego | You can do a lot in plain Qml, but for sure most "real" apps will require an application engine exposing a JavaScript API for Qml UIs | 17:08 |
| alterego | Maybe I could do a talk on: "ISVs, This is why QML is what you want in order to gain brand recognition" | 17:09 |
| alterego | Or: "Handset UX innovation using generic application code and Qml UXs" | 17:10 |
| alterego | lcuk: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/data-models-qml | 17:11 |
| alterego | that one should probably be merged, but I like data models and I like qml :) | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | serious question about meego handset | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | in Maemo, the dashboard shows grid of apps | 17:12 |
| lcuk | and a few of those might be your messages | 17:12 |
| lcuk | when new messages come in, the grid cells highlight | 17:12 |
| lcuk | with there being no real dashboard on meego at the moment | 17:12 |
| lcuk | how can you keep track of things | 17:13 |
| lcuk | without having to slide across the panel after each message comes in | 17:13 |
| alterego | lcuk: I don't like the task switching dashboard in meego :( | 17:13 |
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| alterego | tbh, I don't really like the handset ux at all right now. | 17:15 |
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| alterego | I'm hoping for radical changes .. | 17:15 |
| lcuk | could qml cope with whole WM compositing and interaction? | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | alterego, I keep thinking how much this looks like something else: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/conceptual-meego-tablet-ui-pictures/ | 17:18 |
| alterego | lcuk: I think qml could do compositing. | 17:18 |
| alterego | Well, I think it could be used for the decoration. | 17:18 |
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| alterego | I need to poke into mcompositor at some point tbh | 17:19 |
| * lcuk still does not like compositing, especially for its wastefulness on pixels | 17:19 | |
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| pupnik | lol | 17:19 |
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| alterego | lcuk: those pics look like a cross between WP7 and OS X .. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | alterego, background image is the reason for that | 17:29 |
| alterego | To be honest, it doesn't speak to me, not how maemo spoke to me with the 770 through to the N8x0s | 17:29 |
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| alterego | The N900 didn't really talk to me either, but up to m5 I really liked the maemo UIs | 17:30 |
| alterego | I don't think any mobile (handset) OS really talks to me much at the moment. | 17:30 |
| lcuk | so make a maemo4 UX :P | 17:30 |
| lcuk | the UX should really have the table test | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | setup a computer in a busy coffee shop | 17:31 |
| alterego | They all seem to lack something. And as much as I don't like to admit it, I kind of like some aspects of WP7 UX | 17:31 |
| lcuk | on perhaps a larger screen, and count the number of people who walk into chairs and tables behind you | 17:31 |
| alterego | Hahah | 17:32 |
| lcuk | less bumps == meh | 17:32 |
| lcuk | more bumps == awesomeness | 17:32 |
| RST38h | alterego:admit it, you like the colors! | 17:32 |
| RST38h | The whites! The blues! The magentas! The beautiful CGA palette! | 17:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:33 |
| alterego | With Qml though, we have a great tool for rapidly prototyping UI concepts. | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Yeah, but it still has to be standardized, so you need a widget set, notjust QML | 17:34 |
| lcuk | alterego, http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PUPp_mE7rwI/1.jpg tiny pic is tiny, but amusingly prototypeish ;) | 17:34 |
| alterego | Even if the final implementation is mostly converted to QWidget. | 17:34 |
| alterego | RST38h: agreed | 17:34 |
| alterego | Hahah | 17:35 |
| alterego | lcuk: that Nokia pad, I swear the font is MS WP7 font .. | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | alterego, it probably is | 17:35 |
| lcuk | it is afterall a static mockup | 17:35 |
| alterego | Of course they must be moving away from the Nokia font .. | 17:35 |
| * lcuk ponders skinning a liqbase screen using their style | 17:36 | |
| alterego | lcuk: yeah, that's what I was thining. | 17:36 |
| alterego | (wrt mockup) :P | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | alterego, so what font is used for the shopping list? | 17:37 |
| lcuk | err todo list | 17:37 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 17:38 |
| alterego | Dunno | 17:38 |
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| * lcuk has had basically that screen since 2009 | 17:39 | |
| alterego | I'm gonna start thinking up a mobile UX .. | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_011659.lib.scr.png :P | 17:39 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know of a good repository verification checker that's not yum-utils. :-) | 17:44 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, hmm I would suggest timeless or timoph or sampos or pop into #meego-qa and #meego-qa-tools to see | 17:46 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: thanks. | 17:47 |
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| * gabrbedd b0rked his install... `zypper dup` has become very dumb. | 18:30 | |
| CosmoHill | I installed Windows 7 SP1, my desktop is now in the corner of my room waiting to be fixed | 18:31 |
| pupnik | heh | 18:33 |
| kyb3R | :) | 18:34 |
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| CosmoHill | salut Alison_Chaiken | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | on a realated note, ovi suite is a bastard | 18:35 |
| pavlix | I found a strange behaviour of zypper in meego | 18:35 |
| lcuk | :D awesome: | 18:36 |
| lcuk | The removal of portions of circuits that aren't essential to the task at hand is known as 'probabilistic pruning,' and it results in chips that are twice as fast, use half the power, and are half the size of conventional chips. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/19/169217/Pruned-Microchips-Twice-As-Fast-and-Efficient | 18:36 |
| pavlix | I have a custom repository with newer versions of some packages, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Apavlix, and zypper install mx-devel, when called the first time, installs the older version from meego repos, when called the second time, upgrades from my custom repo | 18:37 |
| lcuk | pavlix, how odd. | 18:37 |
| pavlix | shouldn't it decide the version first time and keep it second time? | 18:37 |
| lcuk | you did zypper refresh first I gather? | 18:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta CosmoHill. Are you coming to our SF MeeGoCon? | 18:38 |
| pavlix | lcuk I thougt it's automatic | 18:38 |
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| pavlix | lcuk and it seems it sort of is :) | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | Alison_Chaiken: nope | 18:38 |
| lcuk | pavlix, perhaps | 18:38 |
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| pavlix | and, just in case, I turned on the refresh setting of the repo | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | I live in a cave, come outside and blink at the sunlight then go back inside | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | the cave being a metaphor for my workload | 18:39 |
| lcuk | pavlix, maybe because you were replacing system component it used the proper repository first? | 18:39 |
| pavlix | lcuk: maybe, I can't tell | 18:40 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, how is prep going for the conf then? what talk have you submitted? | 18:41 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I am out of the loop on the Conference preps although I volunteered to help. I sense that the number of submitted abstracts is disappointing so far. | 18:42 |
| pavlix | apart from this anomaly, this setup works perfectly for me, and I installed the version of Mx I need.... thanks lbd :) | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, so what would you submit? | 18:44 |
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| dm8tbr | mh, if what Alison_Chaiken is true and there would be interest in something related to community hardware adaptations and community in general I could offer to come up with some talk. | 18:44 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps can confirm that I'm quite painfully active in that topic ;) | 18:44 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, do you think your ninja routine with Quim could be pulled off on stage? | 18:44 |
| lcuk | reading a presentation whilst hanging upside down and installing software on a screen might make for an awesome photo op | 18:45 |
| dm8tbr | o.O | 18:45 |
| * gabrbedd submits session proposal. | 18:45 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, great idea. I did recently simply yank the plug out of one of the monitors near our elevator. The screen showed Valtteri expounding on the advantages of MeeGo just moments before. | 18:46 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | And, I forgot to add, the monitor was using a Windows app to show the video. | 18:46 |
| lcuk | sigh | 18:46 |
| lcuk | ok, so we need a meego on a stick that is fully advertising ready | 18:47 |
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| pupnik | meego on a stick | 19:10 |
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| gabrbedd | Deep fat fried meego on a stick, topped with syrup and whipped cream | 19:12 |
| gabrbedd | mmmmmmmmm | 19:12 |
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| gabrbedd | needs more bacon. | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, it always needs more bacon | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I note there is also no #bacon thread on meeGo forum | 19:23 |
| lcuk | (unlike Maemo one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24701) | 19:23 |
| gabrbedd | hahaha! | 19:24 |
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| berndhs | how do they survive without #bacon ? | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, IDK | 19:25 |
| lcuk | this was one of the easter eggs in original liqbase | 19:25 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png | 19:25 |
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| * lcuk just restored that starfield actually | 19:25 | |
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| CosmoHill | BT's new "home hub" has a restart button, that raises questions of reliability | 19:27 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:33 |
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| alterego | Would you say the same if it just had a power switch? | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Or a pinhole reset button | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | it has a pin hole reset, a power button and a restart button | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumer/assets/images/broadband/home_hub_large_3.jpg | 19:34 |
| alterego | Meh | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | nice that they give you a choice of how to restart the router when it fails | 19:34 |
| alterego | Anyway, all routers tend to fail, having a button at the front would be nice tbh, rather than digging around to unplug it, or turning it off at the mains. | 19:36 |
| RST38h | Wouldn't go with anything provided by the Phone company | 19:36 |
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| * gabrbedd hates the DSL modes with the "kill switch" on the top where it's easy to bump. | 19:36 | |
| gabrbedd | s/modes/modems/ | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | I just want to know how BT Infinity works and if it's like an external modem | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | no point spending £50 on a new router only to find out I then need to replace it with another one just cos I need a ethernet point instead of a ADSL port | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I thought the BT infinity box included a complete copy of the internet. | 19:40 |
| RST38h | It actually does, but with all the naughty bits removed | 19:41 |
| RST38h | So, that copy actually fits the 32GB SD card | 19:41 |
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| lcuk | hi wazd_ TSCHAKeee \o | 21:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | yo | 21:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | hey, has ANYONE tried to build a MeeGo stack using BusyBox ? | 21:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | right now, we install the full versions of a LOT of stuff in core, and that takes up a chunk o space. | 21:48 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, busybox was cause of many maemoisms in the past and it was discussed and decided early on that full clean versions of apps are better i nthe longrun | 21:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | maemoisms? | 21:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can understand why in some cases, but there are some devices that, you know.. have only 512MB or 1GB of flash upon which to store an operating system | 21:50 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and i don't like having the overhead of going to squashFS | 21:50 |
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| thiago_home | how much bigger is coreutils than busybox? | 21:52 |
| alterego | thiago_home: a _lot_ | 21:53 |
| thiago_home | how much? 1 MB? | 21:53 |
| alterego | You're talking bash as well, or what other shell you want to use | 21:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | for me, it's the difference between having a 800mb system image, and a 400mb one. | 21:53 |
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| thiago_home | yes, it does mean bash too, which means libreadline and termcap | 21:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | OpenPeak for example, stores TWO copies of their Linux OS on the hardware, they can do that because they busyboxed everything | 21:54 |
| alterego | No, coreutils + bash + some other packages that busybox uses probably equals 5M-8M | 21:54 |
| alterego | s/uses/replaces/ | 21:54 |
| infobot | alterego meant: No, coreutils + bash + some other packages that busybox replaces probably equals 5M-8M | 21:54 |
| alterego | Where as busy box can be about 0.5M | 21:55 |
| alterego | I think the largest I've seen it is ~1M | 21:55 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i'm not saying it's right for everyone | 21:56 |
| thiago_home | meego compliancy requires coreutils | 21:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i'm just trying to trim things down so that it fits comfortably on this openpeak device which has 1GB of flash. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, it is not just busybox though, it is the system scripts which require tweaks to use it | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, am aware | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | :/ | 21:57 |
| * thiago_home finds it hard to believe that 1 GB wouldn't be enough | 21:57 | |
| lcuk | on Maemo removing busybox and replacing with full toos can make system unbootable - if busybox tools were compatible with the set of scripts using normal tools I would agree | 21:58 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, I find it hard to believe we cannot fit in the 256mb partition to be fair | 21:58 |
| * alterego lals at reference dialers' HistoryTableModel::generateDirection() method | 21:58 | |
| thiago_home | 256 is tight | 21:58 |
| alterego | int dir(qrand() % 2); // 0=OUT, 1=IN, 2=MISS | 21:58 |
| alterego | pahaha | 21:58 |
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| ali1234 | busybox is designed for systems with as little as 8mb of flash | 21:59 |
| alterego | They use entropy to work out the type of call :D | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | 1G is just totally massive | 21:59 |
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| ali1234 | wait, i've got that backwards... busybox goes down to 2mb flash/8mb ram | 21:59 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, entire operating systems used to exist in ess than 1mb :P | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: heheh, I know. ;) | 22:00 |
| * lcuk ahems at 640kb comment | 22:00 | |
| alterego | Entire OS used to exist in 32K :P | 22:00 |
| thiago_home | yes, I remember booting with a 5.25" floppy | 22:00 |
| * TSCHAKeee built software atop OS9, believe me, I remember. | 22:00 | |
| alterego | My first machine was a BBC Electron | 22:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | (no, not Mac OS 9, OS-9) | 22:00 |
| * alterego chuckles | 22:00 | |
| TSCHAKeee | alterego: i have a Beeb in my collection, still works wonderfully (BBC Master 512 with a few mods) | 22:00 |
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| alterego | TSCHAKeee: I've got about 4 BBC Micros and 2 BBC Electrons | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | i liked the whole Tube expansion | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | throw in an extra 6502 | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | and watch Elite go really fast | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | hahah | 22:01 |
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| alterego | I've also got 2x A440s, 2x A3000s, 1 A3010, 1 A3020, 2 Risc PCs, 2 A7000 (1FE) | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | (still one of the greatest games...ever....made....) | 22:02 |
| alterego | Erm, whateles. | 22:02 |
| gabrbedd | the linux kernel can no longer fit on a 3.5" HD floppy. | 22:02 |
| alterego | Yeah, Elite is/was awesome, I played that for years. | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | i played its sequel on the amiga, Frontier for years too | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | jaw hit the floor first time i saw the graphics. | 22:02 |
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| alterego | I played Frontier once. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | was Frontier the one with realtime space travel? | 22:03 |
| alterego | I didn't have a machine with it on, didn't have a x86 based machine until 2000 | 22:03 |
| lcuk | ie taking 273 years to reach the next star | 22:03 |
| alterego | lcuk: :) | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: yeah, Elite was like that too. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, thank god for fast forward | 22:03 |
| alterego | Heh, | 22:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it just amazed me that the whole game was dynamically generated | 22:04 |
| alterego | I'd love to play that game again. | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | hit play..whammo, galaxy with a trillion places to go | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | lcuk frontier was the one with "realistic" acceleration - you could accelerate for half an hour, and it would take half an hour to stop | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | the attention to detail was amazing | 22:04 |
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| alterego | TSCHAKeee: there were 3 galaxys, maybe 4, can't remember, and there was also the "voidspace" or something :D | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 22:05 |
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| alterego | I remember always getting tense when I jumped into voidspace. | 22:05 |
| alterego | I'd love Elite on my N900 .. | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | MESS can run it decently | 22:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | using one of the bbc machine profiles | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, infinity is easy to reproduce, I can create entire unique galaxies with just a swipe | 22:06 |
| alterego | I saw some people get RISC OS working on Beagle board, might see if it's plausible. | 22:07 |
| alterego | To boot it on N900 | 22:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: i can too, gimme 5 mins in a bathroom, with a few magazines.... | 22:07 |
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| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 22:07 | |
| lcuk | if it takes just a swipe then perhaps you should be visiting your doctor. | 22:08 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:08 |
| alterego | Sex Doctor? | 22:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | heheheh | 22:08 |
| lcuk | Kryten: I was just idly flicking through an electrical-appliance catalogue. ... and suddenly my underpants elastic was catapulted across the medical bay. | 22:09 |
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| alterego | That was when he was looking at the vacuum cleaner right? :D | 22:09 |
| alterego | And he's showing him those polaroids :D | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | yeah series 4, DNA | 22:10 |
| alterego | hurp-de-hurp | 22:10 |
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| * alterego is experimenting with JavaScript & QML. | 22:11 | |
| alterego | I'd really like an interactive QML JavaScript console .. | 22:11 |
| * alterego writes one | 22:11 | |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I recall one of the Qt devs wrote one for maemo or symbian or something... | 22:12 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I'm thinking 1 mo. ago... on the nokia blog or something. | 22:12 |
| alterego | I'll have a quick google. | 22:12 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: weird, I would have thought I'd have noticed that :D | 22:13 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: You probaby forgot when your ego was altered. | 22:13 |
| alterego | :P | 22:13 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: didja find it? | 22:13 |
| alterego | No :( | 22:13 |
| gabrbedd | I'm looking, too. I think I saw it on twitter from somebody like lcuk or quimgil or vgrade | 22:14 |
| alterego | Sounds like some lcuk would twitter on about :D | 22:14 |
| lcuk | nope, not me | 22:15 |
| * gabrbedd moves on vgrade's twitter... | 22:15 | |
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| Deck` | mad remote -r "installed runtime" poweron doesnt work | 22:24 |
| Deck` | i run meego sdk on livesd with Opensuse | 22:24 |
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| Deck` | s/livesd/livecd | 22:28 |
| Deck` | "This may take some time" | 22:28 |
| Deck` | and no results | 22:28 |
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| CosmoHill | open another terminal and type "top" | 22:29 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: Reading are 3 points away from the play offs | 22:29 |
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| vgrade | not checked the table today, I saw we were losing 2 nil to sheffied | 22:30 |
| vgrade | very very close at the top there | 22:31 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: drat! I can't find it. :-( | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | it's behind you, next to my ninjas | 22:38 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: made my own :) | 22:41 |
| alterego | Works quite well :D | 22:41 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: think I might try and make it into some kind of reusable component .. | 22:42 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: That would be cool. yeah, this was some kind of in-device IDE sort of thing. There was a video of it some time between the elopocolypse and now. | 22:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:44 |
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| alterego | This looks interesting: http://jryannel.wordpress.com/category/qml/ | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | bwho has run more #MeeGo devices than vgrade? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | s/bwho/who/ | 22:57 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: who has run more #MeeGo devices than vgrade? | 22:57 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 22:59 |
| alterego | Don't think anyone has :) | 22:59 |
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| alterego | This works really nicely :) | 23:10 |
| alterego | I might push it to gitorious and make it groovy. | 23:11 |
| alterego | Oh, Qt Creator actually has a JavaScript (QML Script Console) | 23:11 |
| alterego | interesting. | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, hi. how would your testing be formulated? would you pull directly from OBS and offer a report? | 23:13 |
| alterego | Now to implement command history navigation with arrow keys .. | 23:13 |
| vgrade | lcuk, the idea popped into my head while taking those pics earlier and thinking about a couple of OBS projects which are built for ARM but only tested at the moment on x86 | 23:17 |
| lcuk | vgrade, yes, I hear about MANY projects around meego which concentrate on the high end testability | 23:18 |
| lcuk | usability too | 23:18 |
| * lcuk supposes I should get some packages onto obs soon | 23:19 | |
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| vgrade | alterego, have you seen https://projects.forum.nokia.com/qtquickplayground | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, I hadn't noticed it, nice indeed. | 23:30 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, I've started to port to meego, my first Qt app project on OBS. https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=Qt-Quick-Playground&project=home%3Avgrade | 23:32 |
| gabrbedd | vgrade: That's it!! It was you! :-) | 23:33 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: ^^^ | 23:33 |
| vgrade | gabrbedd, :) | 23:33 |
| vgrade | gabrbedd, I was not sure but the description you gave matched qt playground | 23:34 |
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| vgrade | gabrbedd, I may need some help on this as its my first OBS Qt app, well my first OBS app actually after concentrating on hardware adaptations | 23:35 |
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| gabrbedd | vgrade: I doubt I'll be much help with OBS (I've yet to try out my account). But for everything else, just let me know. | 23:37 |
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| vgrade | gabrbedd, whats your area of expertise? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | "sheep worrier" | 23:40 |
| lcuk | errr sorry, that is MohammadAG :P | 23:40 |
| gabrbedd | vgrade: Qt devel, audio app , RPM and DEB packaging, and non-OBS distro maint. | 23:41 |
| * MohammadAG grumbles at lcuk | 23:41 | |
| lcuk | heh | 23:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I think you mean "Sleek Warrior." Silly T9. | 23:42 |
| pupnik | i want female bodyguards too | 23:43 |
| vgrade | gabrbedd, ah Ok, thanks. | 23:43 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, no typos here :P | 23:43 |
| vgrade | lcuk, how many do you have attending tomorrow? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | IDK vgrade - just going having a couple of pints and a chat with whoever though | 23:45 |
| lcuk | .me considers it toe dipping | 23:45 |
| lcuk | vgrade, if the bar is full it gives opportunity to see how many tables get walked into | 23:46 |
| lcuk | (fun game) | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | aparantly I can't open 10 web comics on one computer with out iplayer on the other lagging | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | now it;s showing me the defrag program | 23:47 |
| pupnik | heh | 23:52 |
| alterego | ls | 23:53 |
| alterego | oops | 23:53 |
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| CosmoHill | . .. pron | 23:53 |
| alterego | vgrade, gabrbedd thanks ;) | 23:54 |
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