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| lbt | BC108 | 00:02 |
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| auke | sorry, I left my 4004 in 2002 | 00:04 |
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| RST38h | not 1991? | 00:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | RST38h: I do. | 00:10 |
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| * TSCHAKeee has a few 8048's and 8052AU's in a tube. | 00:10 | |
| TSCHAKeee | (the 8052AU being the MCU with a dash of ROM, a dash of RAM, and a teeny tiny tokenized BASIC interpreter) | 00:10 |
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| RST38h | 8041/8042/8047/8049/8051/etc are all the sameMCS51 architecture | 00:16 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yup | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | cool link penghb | 00:29 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | penguinbait, I actually already know good form factor, I spoke to the guy who made the pong watch a few days ago | 00:33 |
| lcuk | I am just more interested in the conversation around it! (I think everyone so far has thought I want a phone form factor!) | 00:33 |
| * lcuk has that already :P | 00:34 | |
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| ali1234 | lcuk: are you replying to something said hours ago or am i only seeing half a conversation? | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, I got a reply in a PM to a question I asked on twitter before I went out to restaurant (tho the reply only came a couple of minutes ago | 00:36 |
| lcuk | so yeah, don't worry I shall post the original thing that started it | 00:36 |
| lcuk | #Question: What is the #smallest #MeeGo or just #Linux capable device with a #touchscreen available? | 00:36 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/47727975256424448 | 00:36 |
| lcuk | and twitter being twitter I had a load of answers from everywhere | 00:37 |
| penguinbait | Well there is a phone, and a watch and a touchscreen, if you could only implant something inside your head!! | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | well the answer to that is the n900 | 00:37 |
| lcuk | ali1234, my n900 easily can be divided into 9 pieces | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | right, but it will no longer be meego capable :) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | ideally, a screen that is just watch sized would be made of awesome | 00:38 |
| lcuk | ali1234, yeah, the 3d dependency for meego prevents such things, hence the slight clarification I added to the question | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | does it need to make phone calls too? | 00:39 |
| lcuk | ali1234, nope | 00:39 |
| lcuk | just bluetooth or something, I thought of an arduino at first, but ARM would be better chipwise | 00:39 |
| lcuk | and offer more flexibility | 00:40 |
| ali1234 | i think your best chance to actually pull this off would be a watch that is just a dumb terminal with eg 240x240 screen, connected to a n900 on bluetooth | 00:40 |
| lcuk | sure | 00:40 |
| ali1234 | yeah, arduino is never in a million years going to run meego | 00:40 |
| lcuk | it does not have to be powerful | 00:40 |
| ali1234 | but it would be able to drive a dumb terminal as i just described | 00:40 |
| lcuk | yup | 00:40 |
| ali1234 | well, not an arduino, they are huge | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | you'd have to make your own board | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | but that is suprisingly easy with AVR | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | when i google "bluetooth watch" i see some interesting looking stuff | 00:42 |
| lcuk | yeah :) nice looking tech | 00:42 |
| lcuk | this all started because : | 00:42 |
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| ali1234 | not sure how people would feel about charging their watch every day | 00:44 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> i want a black wristwatch, pure black featureless | 00:44 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> but for my handwritten clock :% | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | i mean you can put your phone to charge on your desktop | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | but having a wire going to your wrist is going to get annoying | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | speaking of clocks: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12751404 | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | lol | 00:46 |
| arvind_khadri | Hi, after I have dd'ed the image onto a pen drive, how can I run it from a pen-drive ? | 00:46 |
| arvind_khadri | I am using qemu | 00:47 |
| lcuk | arvind_khadri, eep, not sure, I thought there were proper sdk images for qemu use | 00:48 |
| lcuk | ali1234, yes a real lowest power watch would be good | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | bluetooth and hires screen will make that difficult... | 00:49 |
| arvind_khadri | lcuk, I am not able to boot from pen drive, and when I do qemu meego.img it asks for intel_agp module | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | i mean phones are bad enough, and there's a lot less space in a watch... and what about heat too? | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | a lot of heat comes from the battery | 00:49 |
| lcuk | ali1234, sure, I have seen those and they look like weigh arm down too | 00:49 |
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| ali1234 | if you just want a custom watch you can program and you don't want it to run meego, or even be a meego terminal... that would be a lot easier... but still hard :) | 00:50 |
| * TSCHAKeee is using a TI based watch, based on the EZ430 Chronos ... http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos | 00:50 | |
| TSCHAKeee | it's a teeny little thing, but it has reasonable battery, and enough I/O to communicate with the outside world to do useful stuff | 00:50 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, interesting! | 00:51 |
| lcuk | thanks :D | 00:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: i am writing linuxMCE drivers for it, to act as presence detection, remote control, and a few other bits.. so far, it's absolutely amazing... | 00:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | and dirt cheap | 00:52 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, was just gonna say, nice price wise too | 00:52 |
| lcuk | which model have you got? | 00:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: I have the world wide model | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | (ww) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | roger | 00:54 |
| berndhs | sounds very useful | 00:54 |
| lcuk | it only has segmented display output tho | 00:54 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the difference is the RF transciever | 00:54 |
| lcuk | otherwise, pretty much what I was thinking | 00:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's okay for now | 00:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can deal with that | 00:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | guys it can only get better | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, sure | 00:56 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, so what sort of battery life do you see with it? | 00:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | it hasn't died yet | 00:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | so far i've had it on a week | 00:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's meant to have comparable battery life to most digital watches | 00:57 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:57 |
| arvind_khadri | Can anyone please help me with booting meego? | 01:00 |
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| iekku | good morning | 07:43 |
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| Jaguar163 | привет всем | 08:02 |
| Jaguar163 | кто шарит в в убунто | 08:02 |
| Jaguar163 | ? | 08:02 |
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| Jaguar163 | алло ебланы!! | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, english speaking channel | 08:04 |
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| Jaguar163 | че ты сказал еблан?? | 08:04 |
| RST38h | po-angliiski govori, durilka | 08:04 |
| Jaguar163 | зачем чувак?? | 08:05 |
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| Jaguar163 | эээ алло | 08:06 |
| Jaguar163 | извините,говорите типо по-англискй канал | 08:07 |
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| Jaguar163 | kto sharit v ubunto&& | 08:08 |
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| RST38h | Jaguar163: Eshe raz, dlya tex kto v tanke | 08:09 |
| Jaguar163 | RST38hзаебал ты в убунто шаришь ? | 08:09 |
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| RST38h | Jaguar163: Eto *angloyazychnyi* kanal ne imeyushii otnosheniya k "ubunto". Ili govorite po-angliiski i priderzhivaites' tematiki kanala, ili zhe idite na kanal #ubunto | 08:10 |
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| Jaguar163 | z gthdsq hfp bhc | 08:10 |
| Jartza | ihan hirveän mielenkiintoista, jos ymmärtäisi jotain :) | 08:11 |
| timoph | :) | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have nearly enough caffeine in my blood for both russian and finnish in the morning | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:11 |
| Jartza | heh | 08:11 |
| josu | :) | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Sorry, had to explain to him in the language he understands. | 08:12 |
| Jartza | that might be hard for anyone. | 08:12 |
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| Jaguar163 | crf;b ult heccrjzpsxysq rfyfk e,eynj | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | that's not russian. | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:13 |
| Jartza | not even close | 08:13 |
| Jaguar163 | скажи где русскоязычный канал убунто | 08:13 |
| RST38bis | Jaguar163: /leave #meego a potom /join #ubunto | 08:13 |
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| Jaguar163 | где вводить | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I am not sure he even understands Russian. He can obviously write it, but not read it. | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: i should probably be worried that i know enough of slavic languages to understand what you said :P | 08:14 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: See? I told you it would come to that a year or two ago :) | 08:15 |
| Jaguar163 | алло чувак | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if our rules actually says nothing but english, hmm :P | 08:16 |
| Jartza | that should still give some hint to people? :) | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps:Either way, he waslookingfor Ubuntu support, and called it "Ubunto", not responding to reasonable attempts at conversation, so you can consider him a bot | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Turing test failed. | 08:17 |
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| arvind_khadri | hi, I have been trying to load a meego image on qemu but it stops saying that "i915 can't work without intel_agp" . Its an installation image | 08:56 |
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| arvind_khadri | Can someone please help me. | 08:59 |
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| arvind_khadri | hi, I have been trying to load a meego image on qemu but it stops saying that "i915 can't work without intel_agp" . Its an installation image. Please help me out | 09:43 |
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| timeless_w7ip | you'd probably be better off trying qemu-arm | 09:43 |
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| timeless_w7ip | afaiu, the system requirements are rather high and specific for the intel(...) netbook | 09:44 |
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| arvind_khadri | hmmm, let me try that | 09:45 |
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| arvind_khadri | timeless_w7ip, which cpu in ARM? | 09:46 |
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| * timeless_w7ip hopes that those are spelled out whereever the arm image requirements are | 09:47 | |
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| arvind_khadri | timeless_w7ip, which ones :) ?? | 09:48 |
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| arvind_khadri | timeless_w7ip, there is no arm image for a netbook. | 09:52 |
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| wazd | hi all :) | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 10:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: check it out: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/latest-trends-uxui-design | 10:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :) | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | does n900 developer edition count as commercial? ;p | 10:25 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: nope I guess :) | 10:25 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I hope this idea of interaction is not totally crazy :) | 10:26 |
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| wazd | And I have my meegon too now :D | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | oh? url? | 10:26 |
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| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's you alright ;) | 10:27 |
| wazd | My sweater is almost photorealistic :D | 10:28 |
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| RST38h | You mean this ugly square thing is officially known as "meegon"? | 10:38 |
| iekku | wazd, do you like perry clothes? | 10:39 |
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| thiago_home | wazd: please remember to add yourself as a presenter | 10:40 |
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| * RST38h discovers something new daily | 10:41 | |
| thiago_home | wazd: could you also add some information for us organisers? It looks like you want to do a "hands-on review of UX" with other people | 10:42 |
| thiago_home | is 40 minutes enough? Should you have a dedicated space? | 10:42 |
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| wazd | thiago_home: no, no hands-on, just slides and description | 10:43 |
| thiago_home | anyway, 32 submissions. We need triple that by Friday... | 10:43 |
| wazd | thiago_home: verbal interaction only :) | 10:43 |
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| thiago_home | wazd: please make that clear in your proposal, so we know what it is and also what kind of audience is expected | 10:44 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep :) | 10:44 |
| wazd | thiago_home: sure | 10:44 |
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| wazd | thiago_home: btw, I've tried to register myself as a speaker but the system kept asking me some password | 10:45 |
| wazd | thiago_home: definitely not mine | 10:45 |
| thiago_home | wazd: contact your company's organiser to get the password | 10:45 |
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| thiago_home | the page should tell you who it is | 10:46 |
| wazd | oh | 10:46 |
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| thiago_home | you may also get an automated email from Amy telling you "hey, you didn't finish, do you want to continue? click here" in a text email without links | 10:46 |
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| wazd | thiago_home: yeah, I have one | 10:48 |
| * thiago_home was so pleased he was getting emails from Amy, then he realised it was automated | 10:48 | |
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| xiambax | Anyone get Meego running on viewpad 10 yet? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: i wonder if we should have mentioned late breaking news more clearly as well | 10:52 |
| wazd | thiago_home: same here :( | 10:53 |
| wazd | sad world :( | 10:53 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: I'm going to do directed approach today | 10:53 |
| thiago_home | all Qt topics I'd like to see presented | 10:53 |
| thiago_home | I know one colleague is working on a proposal to talk about Lighthouse / Wayland and another on Components | 10:53 |
| thiago_home | but there's more | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'd expect more US contributions too | 10:54 |
| thiago_home | me too | 10:54 |
| * thiago_home needs to go to the office now | 10:54 | |
| timeless_w7ip | wazd: ooh, the 2011 domains are shorter | 10:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | wazd: did you have slides for your 2010 talk, and could you post them? | 10:55 |
| xiambax | So the Viewpad 10 and ExoPC seem to be my best options for a Meego Tablet | 10:56 |
| xiambax | The problem is. They more or less have exactly the same specs but both a little different. | 10:56 |
| xiambax | Any suggestions? | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | exopc runs meego very likely | 10:57 |
| lofty306 | yeah i beleive that is what intel used at MWC | 10:58 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, exopc definately runs meego | 10:59 |
| arfoll | it's exact same hardware as wetab | 10:59 |
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| lofty306 | imm trying to get a freind in EU to send me a wetab | 10:59 |
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| arfoll | lofty306, buy me one i'll send you another ;-) | 10:59 |
| lofty306 | lol | 11:00 |
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| wazd | timeless_w7ip: yep, I'll do that in a bit | 11:00 |
| lofty306 | arfoll, the exopc seemed winmpier in specs to the wetab hardware though i was just looking at the 3G wetab specs though | 11:01 |
| arfoll | lofty306, it has the same crystalhd H/W acceleration and pineview CPU. what seems more 'wimpy'? | 11:01 |
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| lofty306 | i was looking at pports and such | 11:03 |
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| lofty306 | wait geuss i missed it on the exopc arfoll | 11:04 |
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| lofty306 | my bad | 11:04 |
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| arfoll | no worries - from what i hear both are made by pegatron (asus) and are exactly the same h/w. The wetab has a non 3G model without H/w acceleration and without the 3G modem | 11:05 |
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| lofty306 | the one i would want is the 3G one | 11:06 |
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| lofty306 | cool thnx for the iinfo arfoll | 11:08 |
| arfoll | no worries | 11:08 |
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| * lofty306 wished that exopc had a 3G modell | 11:14 | |
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| lofty306 | beiiing that there in canada and sell in the usaa | 11:14 |
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| lofty306 | arfoll, are the wetab and exopc the beos tablets you have seen to date for meego? | 11:28 |
| lofty306 | *best | 11:29 |
| arfoll | lofty306, not sure about the best but they're the only ones | 11:29 |
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| lofty306 | lol | 11:29 |
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| arvind_khadri | MeeGo is based on Debian? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:29 |
| lofty306 | ummmm | 11:29 |
| arfoll | personally i would wait for oak trail to come out if i was buying for myself. although not sure what the state of gfx is going to be on there | 11:30 |
| arvind_khadri | Then what is it based on :) ?? | 11:30 |
| arfoll | arvind_khadri, moblin2 :-) | 11:30 |
| arfoll | lofty306, what do you want to do with it? | 11:30 |
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| lofty306 | is that the $755 atom? | 11:30 |
| lofty306 | * $75 | 11:30 |
| lofty306 | everything | 11:31 |
| arfoll | lofty306, i don't know prices, but it's the new platform i think announced for start Q2 | 11:31 |
| arfoll | which looking at Meego-Dev must be allready sampling ;-) | 11:31 |
| arfoll | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/7909 | 11:32 |
| arvind_khadri | arfoll, thanks, and also maemo? :) | 11:32 |
| lofty306 | should be pretty close then | 11:32 |
| arfoll | arvind_khadri, in spirits. what do you want to know? | 11:33 |
| lofty306 | yeah | 11:33 |
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| arfoll | the problem with oak trail looks like it's going to be the same as for poulsbo | 11:33 |
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| arfoll | i think it's another powervr gfx job | 11:34 |
| arvind_khadri | arfoll, nothing much, struggling with running an installation image of netbook on qemu. Complains of intel_agp, the image also doesn't boot off the pen drive... | 11:34 |
| arfoll | lofty306, so for general meego/linux hacking pineview based is going to be much easier | 11:35 |
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| lofty306 | if i crap oooout i'll be baack chrome is locking my lappy tonightt | 11:36 |
| arvind_khadri | arfoll, any idea ?? | 11:37 |
| arfoll | arvind_khadri, sorry i've never used qemu + meego - i native platforms + OBS. | 11:38 |
| arfoll | i'm sure others may have better ideas, best i can do is point you at the wiki | 11:39 |
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| arvind_khadri | anyone who can help me with qemu + meego ? | 11:41 |
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| puneet | can anyone help me in configuring Meego on Ubuntu 10.04 | 11:52 |
| puneet | afetr adding this line in sources.list deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main | 11:53 |
| puneet | deb-src http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main | 11:53 |
| puneet | i get error | 11:53 |
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| puneet | deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main | 11:53 |
| puneet | deb-src http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main | 11:53 |
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| puneet | W: Failed to fetch http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 11:53 |
| puneet | W: Failed to fetch http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all/dists/lucid/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found | 11:53 |
| puneet | what should i add in sources.list to fetch the env | 11:54 |
| puneet | ? | 11:54 |
| arvind_khadri | arfoll, netbook version will only run on Atom ?? It won't support core2duo? | 11:56 |
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| puneet | Arvind : what needs to be added to sources.list to fetch the env | 11:59 |
| puneet | ? | 11:59 |
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| arvind_khadri | puneet, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Add_the_repo | 12:02 |
| puneet | am following that docs | 12:03 |
| puneet | but this link http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04 doesnot seems to be working | 12:03 |
| puneet | :( | 12:03 |
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| jonnor | puneet: works-for-me | 12:04 |
| puneet | how did you added > | 12:04 |
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| puneet | Please can you paste here , that what you added | 12:05 |
| puneet | so that i can use the same :) | 12:05 |
| arvind_khadri | puneet, why do you have "all" there is no all in the deb line. Remove it | 12:06 |
| arvind_khadri | deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ / this is what you should have | 12:06 |
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| puneet | :) it worked | 12:08 |
| lbt | arvind_khadri: :) | 12:08 |
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| CosmoHill | that's more than I can say for my desktop :( | 12:08 |
| arvind_khadri | puneet, np | 12:08 |
| arvind_khadri | lbt, :) I am really in need of qemu help :P | 12:09 |
| lbt | in what way ? | 12:09 |
| lbt | ah ... running meego on a VM | 12:09 |
| lbt | in qemu | 12:09 |
| arvind_khadri | lbt, First of all, can qemu only be used for runtimes?? I have a netbook install ia32.img, is it possible to boot that ? | 12:10 |
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| lbt | honestly I'm not sure | 12:10 |
| arvind_khadri | lol :) which image you run then ? The runtime one ?? | 12:11 |
| lbt | I'm rather annoyed by MeeGo's disinterest in supporting virtual images | 12:11 |
| arvind_khadri | lbt, I share the same feeling. | 12:11 |
| lbt | I run on a Lenovo Ideapad | 12:11 |
| lbt | *nod* it makes the barrier to entry very high | 12:11 |
| jonnor | arvind_khadri: 3d acceleration is required, but apart from that, yes | 12:11 |
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| arvind_khadri | jonnor, so how do I enable that ?? | 12:12 |
| jonnor | That depends on your hypervisior | 12:12 |
| jonnor | there is a wikipage about this | 12:12 |
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| jonnor | (the requirements, and some hints how to fulfill them) | 12:12 |
| lbt | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202&page=7 | 12:12 |
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| arvind_khadri | jonnor, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration are you talking about that ?? | 12:13 |
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| arfoll | arvind_khadri, sorry was away but any x86+SSSE3 platform is supported (so that leaves atom+core2+maybe some via C7) | 12:15 |
| arvind_khadri | arfoll, hmmm | 12:15 |
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| arvind_khadri | jonnor, I have fulfilled all the requirements | 12:22 |
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| moystard | hey guys | 12:28 |
| moystard | I can't figure how to build a full C++ library on the emulator | 12:28 |
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| moystard | browsing the documentation right now but cannot find information.. | 12:29 |
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| jonnor | moystard: what is the issue? | 12:30 |
| moystard | I am quite new to meego development but from my understanding | 12:31 |
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| moystard | you usually compile and package it before installing it onto the emulator | 12:33 |
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| moystard | will it work with a C++ library? | 12:33 |
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| moystard | can I create a rpm package using the emulator and install this library on the emulator? | 12:33 |
| moystard | (it is a system library, festival, a text to speech one) | 12:34 |
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| CosmoHill | it's one of these situations where you need a hammer to make other hammer | 12:34 |
| moystard | and that means? :) | 12:34 |
| CosmoHill | like, in order to compile GCC you require GCC | 12:34 |
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| moystard | yup | 12:35 |
| moystard | that is true | 12:36 |
| moystard | there is no package available to install gcc on the emulator? | 12:36 |
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| CosmoHill | try "zypper search [package] | 12:36 |
| moystard | zypper search gcc | 12:37 |
| moystard | k | 12:37 |
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| ScriptRipper | ping lbt | 12:51 |
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| lofty306 | geeezz the tarball for target is a PIG | 13:02 |
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| CosmoHill | then you should make bacon | 13:02 |
| lofty306 | heh | 13:02 |
| lofty306 | can you have more than oone target prefix installed at the same time? | 13:03 |
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| wassupnari | hello | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | good morning | 13:25 |
| wassupnari | long time no talk :) | 13:26 |
| wassupnari | hey, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 13:26 |
| arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I load a module from the bootloader? | 13:26 |
| wassupnari | this virtual keyboard is based on meego 1.1.8? or 1.1.9? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | 1.1.90 i think | 13:27 |
| wassupnari | okay, thanx :) | 13:27 |
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| arvind_khadri | Does a live-img take a long time to boot ?? | 13:31 |
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| puneet | i used this command to fetch the target mad-admin fetch [-x proxyhost[:port]] URL|URL_ALIAS | 13:55 |
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| puneet | now i got the tar.bz2 how should i install the target ? | 13:55 |
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| arvind_khadri | puneet, mad-admin install | 14:02 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Is it just me, or are all the x86 builds broken in OBS ? :-) | 14:19 |
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| lbt | gabrbedd: eg ? | 14:19 |
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| lbt | url ? | 14:19 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: http://build.meego.com/project/monitor?blocked=0&building=0&dispatching=0&finished=0&project=devel%3Aqt-mtf%3Adaily-build&scheduled=0&signing=0&succeeded=0 | 14:20 |
| gabrbedd | error: Package already exists: %package debuginfo | 14:20 |
| lbt | eww | 14:20 |
| lbt | ah | 14:20 |
| lbt | SEP | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | oh that error | 14:20 |
| gabrbedd | doesn't seem to affect ARM. | 14:20 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: if not you, who? | 14:21 |
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| * lbt doesn't do build.meego.com ... try Anas - if you can find him ;) | 14:21 | |
| Stskeeps | meego-packaging@ | 14:21 |
| lbt | email is best - I don't see him much on irc nowadays | 14:21 |
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| gabrbedd | k, thanks. | 14:23 |
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| CosmoHill | damn, my cluster results might be boring | 14:25 |
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| sampos | lcuk: \o | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | sampos, \o | 15:07 |
| sampos | lcuk: come to think of it, i should ask my question on #maemo :) | 15:08 |
| lcuk | hah ok | 15:08 |
| lofty306 | okk how bloody long doose it take for a qemu runtiime to startup? | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | lofty306, should not be too long? how long have you waited | 15:22 |
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| lbt | thiago: FYI I updated http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/so-you-want-build-meego-based-product-vendor-tools-and-vendor-ecosystem - not sure if you'd get a notice | 15:37 |
| thiago | we haven't begun reviewing yet | 15:37 |
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| lbt | OK - np I misinterpreted something you said earlier then :) | 15:38 |
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| thiago | I was asking wazd to write a little more about what his session would be | 15:39 |
| thiago | yours looks like a good proposal (at least, the amount of text) | 15:39 |
| lbt | OK. do you think you'll be light on proposals? If so I could sensibly break this into a business and a technical talk | 15:39 |
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| thiago | we're at 35 | 15:40 |
| thiago | we need to triple that by Friday | 15:40 |
| thiago | and 100 is still basically "you're in" | 15:40 |
| lbt | so it's an offer :) | 15:41 |
| lbt | and given the talk .... I'll be gobsmacked if I'm not in anyhow ;) | 15:41 |
| thiago | in your case, yes, please make a business-oriented session | 15:41 |
| lbt | it currently is ... hence the beginner level | 15:41 |
| lofty306 | lcuk, like 10m | 15:42 |
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| lofty306 | brb gotta a zombie problem here cant even see whats running in ps aux kde4 gone zoombie | 15:47 |
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| vgrade-nexus | wassupnari: I've been doing the work on the Tegra, what target are you working on? | 16:03 |
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| andrewfblack | Is there a fix for the touchpad buttons on a S10-t3? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | moo andrewfblack | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | think there is one | 16:24 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, they appear to work on the 1.1 + updates | 16:24 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, I can select some text and right click to bring up context menu using the buttons on the trackpad | 16:26 |
| lcuk | this is a clean netbook | 16:26 |
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| andrewfblack | I think I have all the updates on mine but I don't think mine are working. Another question anyway to make OSK only show when in tablet mode or when a button is pushed? | 16:26 |
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| arfoll | andrewfblack, in the mailing list someone recompiled a kernel with a fix. i think it went in the 1.1 updates too | 16:27 |
| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: Are you talking about the touchpad mouse, or the extra buttons around the touchscreen? | 16:27 |
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| andrewfblack | gabrbedd: the touchpad mouse | 16:28 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad | 16:28 |
| lcuk | has most of the notes for configuring ideapad | 16:28 |
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| andrewfblack | lcuk: I've done some of that haven't done the right click fix yet. OSK poping up all the time is only major thing that drives me crasy and I haven't found a fix for yet. Would be nice if you could run IVI on top of Netbook install when you were in the car. | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, that was part of the desktop switching motivation | 16:32 |
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| andrewfblack | I booted IVI on my ideapad last night and the Touchscreen controls seem to be reversed not sure if its suppose to be that way or not. | 16:38 |
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| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: Yeah, the same happens to me... and I've heard of it happening to others. | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: saw wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition ? | 16:39 |
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| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: BTW the IM guys are really wanting to "get it right" with the OSK. Perhaps you can give them some feedback? | 16:40 |
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| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: I was telling them that I wanted a button where I can make the OSK appear any time I want, and they were pretty opposed to that... because they want to get it right where the keyboard pops up automatically when it's supposed to. | 16:41 |
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| * gabrbedd thinks that's impossible for all use cases, though. | 16:41 | |
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| w00t_ | fabo: added a fairly simple patch for https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14407 - do you handle mtf patching similarly to how you do for Qt? | 16:41 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14407 tri, Low, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, [Trunk: testing] Default text does not disappear when tapping on input field in Contacts | 16:41 |
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| fabo | w00t_: I'll pick up | 16:45 |
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| w00t_ | fabo: you are my hero, as always! <3 | 16:45 |
| fabo | :) | 16:45 |
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| lbt | fabo: debian 6 | 16:46 |
| fabo | lbt: yeah, I've seen your comment on the related bug | 16:47 |
| lbt | is it worth putting on pub.meego.com for now? | 16:47 |
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| lbt | you can at least iron out any issues | 16:47 |
| fabo | lbt: only MeeGo SDK is using cross-distro features. atm, we don't have this kind of packages on public OBS. | 16:48 |
| puneet | hi am trying to compile linux library on meego | 16:48 |
| lbt | ok | 16:49 |
| fabo | lbt: but yes, I can give it a shot and tries to build the SDK on public OBS | 16:49 |
| puneet | how to cross compile it using mad ? | 16:49 |
| fabo | lbt: I would like to try the bz2 support too with latest build script | 16:49 |
| puneet | i mean madde | 16:49 |
| fabo | lbt: it's broken on meego.com | 16:50 |
| lbt | OK. I think we updated build - yell if it needs attention | 16:50 |
| fabo | puneet: you can use Qt Creator or simply the command line | 16:50 |
| fabo | on the command line, you need to prefix your command with mad -t <target name> | 16:51 |
| puneet | am using command line , this is not Qt library | 16:51 |
| puneet | ./configure --host --host `mad -t meego-core-armv7l-1.1.2` | 16:51 |
| puneet | when i do make it gives missing seperator | 16:51 |
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| fabo | puneet: I'll try mad -t meego-core-armv7l-1.1.2 ./configure | 16:54 |
| andrewfblack | gabrbedd: I would prefer it to only come up when it needs to but for a quick fix they should bind it to a button until they get it worked out so when I'm in laptop mode it doesn't open. | 16:56 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Nope haven't seen it yet, I got ride of AT&T last week so N900 is just a small tablet to me now. | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: btw, how difficult is it for tourists to get let's say a prepaid sim card with data? (going to the US so..) | 16:58 |
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| GAN900 | Prepaid with data? | 17:00 |
| GAN900 | Does such a thing exist? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | i tried to look around a bit and i already hated your market :P | 17:01 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, going to SF? | 17:01 |
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| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: That's very hardware-specific to the ideapad (tablet mode vs. lappy mode). I doubt that will ever get abstracted. | 17:02 |
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| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: ...and since no mfg's are shipping ideapad's with meego... it wouldn't expect any @intel or @nokia to do it. | 17:03 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: I want to go, but wife has been sick and we have had extra expenses from that. Also she used most her vacation and I was going to take her with me. So its a maybe right now you going? | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, planning on it. | 17:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | why wouldn't you make that part of DSME? | 17:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | (the laptop to tablet mode?) | 17:04 |
| andrewfblack | gabrbedd: there are lots of netbooks that have tablet mode and laptop mode atleast a dozen or so. | 17:05 |
| * gabrbedd just realized how stupid his statement was: "I doubt that will ever get abstracted." Sorry. Forgot about phones with slider keyboards. | 17:05 | |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: at first I was going to take a week and and drive out and back but I know that is out now if I go I will fly in | 17:05 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: it would be nice to finally make it to conferance since I missed all of the Maemo ones and first Meego one | 17:07 |
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| jonnor | andrewfblack: we allready have this feature | 17:08 |
| andrewfblack | jonnor: the OSK not opening when in laptop mode? | 17:08 |
| jonnor | for virtual keyboard to only show in a certain mode, you just need to use contextkit to tell input methods when you are in hardware keyboard and when in virtual keyboard mode | 17:09 |
| jonnor | I do not know if there are sensors you can hook up to do that on the Ideapad though... | 17:09 |
| jonnor | but I would suspect they exist at least | 17:09 |
| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: Still, detecting tablet mode vs lappy mode is still hardware specific. Some might send an ACPI signal. Some use special BIOS signals. Some send keyboard-like events. There's no standard. | 17:10 |
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| jonnor | yes, for this to work you need some hardware adoptation | 17:10 |
| jonnor | *adaptation | 17:11 |
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| gabrbedd | Hi jonnor, how've you been? | 17:12 |
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| andrewfblack | gabrbedd: jonnor I can see it would require some hardware specific coding but I would think it wouldn't be that hard to do. | 17:13 |
| jonnor | gabrbedd: I'm good, and you? | 17:14 |
| gabrbedd | andrewfblack: If you can the the $VENDOR to help, yeah. I tried to set it up on the Ideapad for fun. But it was !fun, so I moved on to a device that I'm actually shipping. | 17:14 |
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| gabrbedd | jonner: Not bad. Busy. | 17:15 |
| moystard | hello again everyone. I managed to build festival on my meego emulator. However I have a problem, it seems it can't access the sound hardware (can't open /dev/dsp). I guess it is because another application is using it.. I tried in chromium and could get sound... any idea? | 17:16 |
| moystard | thanks for your help :) | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | moystard: needs to talk to pulseaudio | 17:16 |
| moystard | okay so I have to find a way to redirect.. | 17:17 |
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| gabrbedd | moyfestival is using OSS? | 17:18 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: festival is using OSS? | 17:18 |
| moystard | I think it does as some people fixed it using alsa-oss package on other distro. | 17:19 |
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| gabrbedd | moystard: I don't think MeeGo has any OSS support. You'll either need to provide it yourself (not fun), or get festival to use alsa (which means changing the source code). | 17:21 |
| moystard | I think there has to be another way as festival is embedded within the IVI UX | 17:21 |
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| gabrbedd | moystard: They have their own kernel, and probably turned on OSS emulation in the ALSA drivers. | 17:22 |
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| jonnor | if you need to do porting from OSS, and you target Meego, go straight to Pulseaudio, not ALSA | 17:23 |
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| ahiemstra | pulseaudio had oss emulation as well | 17:28 |
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| moystard | Found a solution :) | 17:28 |
| moystard | you can add two lines in the configuration file to use alsa | 17:29 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: \o/ | 17:29 |
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| moystard | it is not documented anywhere. I found that randomly on a forum. | 17:29 |
| moystard | will do a blog post about that | 17:30 |
| moystard | thank you very much for your help anyway | 17:30 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: Make sure that you use the default sound card (instead of hw:0) so that you're actually using pulseaudio. | 17:30 |
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| moystard | it uses aplay to read the audio generated by the text to speech library | 17:31 |
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| moystard | it is kind of a redirection to aplay instead of using /dev/dsp | 17:31 |
| moystard | I think it actually generates an audio file played by aplay | 17:31 |
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| ahiemstra | that's.. ehm... suboptimal? | 17:32 |
| jonnor | moystard: if something is not documented and you find a way to do it, please fix the documentation, instead of blogging about it :) | 17:32 |
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| moystard | I don't think festival is closely related to meego | 17:36 |
| moystard | it was a personal initiative to bulid it | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | i thought we had festival in meego trunk already | 17:36 |
| moystard | no | 17:36 |
| moystard | meego ivi trunk | 17:36 |
| moystard | not meego | 17:36 |
| moystard | have to go | 17:36 |
| moystard | thanks again | 17:36 |
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| timeless_w7ip | if it's available in meego ivi, then surely porting it elsewhere in meego should be "relatively easy", no? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | next thing i would say would be, all meego is in one trunk now | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:37 |
| Jartza | ouch | 17:39 |
| gabrbedd | ATM, it looks like it either requires OSS (bad) or to port festival away from OSS (good). | 17:39 |
| Jartza | I didn't notice the time | 17:39 |
| Jartza | have to leave to Tampere | 17:39 |
| gabrbedd | s/requires OSS/requires MeeGo to add OSS/ | 17:39 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: ATM, it looks like it either requires MeeGo to add OSS (bad) or to port festival away from OSS (good). | 17:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sivang: oh, mxr.meego.com is growing a qt root which should help w/ Qt api stuff | 17:52 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sivang: oh, how could you omit hg from your VCS list? | 17:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | esp given it's what Symbian picked | 17:55 |
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| sivang | timeless_w7ip: lol :) | 18:09 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: but yay, shiney! | 18:09 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: re: mxr | 18:09 |
| sivang | timeless_w7ip: I'll add it given it is almost like bazaar | 18:10 |
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| * timeless_w7ip curses stupid internationalization systems | 18:13 | |
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| sivang | timeless_w7ip: do you have an idea about berlin already? | 18:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | berlin? | 18:14 |
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| sivang | timeless_w7ip: desktop summit | 18:16 |
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| qgil | Very interesting: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/16/save-the-date-%E2%80%93-qt-contributors-summit/ | 18:33 |
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| qgil | sivang: also in Berlin :) | 18:34 |
| sivang | qgil: ohh nice /me marks | 18:35 |
| sivang | I so have to be there. | 18:35 |
| qgil | I hope to see plenty of non-nokians | 18:36 |
| sivang | qgil: I'm sure we will. | 18:36 |
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| sivang | qgil: with every day I touch Qt, I like it a bit more. I realized that I know QML just from my OOP and structures understanding. | 18:37 |
| sivang | qgil: and I mostly covered my C++ gaps from the past. | 18:37 |
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| sivang | qgil: I hope to discuss improvements to PySide performance as a higher level dialect to exploit Qt. | 18:39 |
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| qgil | sivang: even myself can do something with Designer for Qt Quick thanks to my experience with Macromedia Fireworks in 1998-2000 ;) | 18:41 |
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| w00t_ | qgil: o/ | 18:42 |
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| qgil | w00t_: you should definitely be in that Qt Contributors unconference | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | why is the documentation for pyside so awful? | 18:42 |
| w00t_ | qgil: requested my invite already | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | i know it's api compatible with pyqt but that is hardly an excuse | 18:43 |
| qgil | ali1234: wikll you let them know? :) | 18:43 |
| felipec | qgil: guess who killed Macromedia tools :) | 18:43 |
| qgil | felipec: you mean Macromedia brand | 18:44 |
| qgil | Adobe Fireworks 11.0 a.k.a Adobe Fireworks CS5 was released last year, apparently | 18:45 |
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| felipec | qgil: no, I mean the tools... but apparently only Director was killed | 18:46 |
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| qgil | felipec: I won't read anything into that :) | 18:47 |
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| berndhs | firing upper management is ok, but... | 18:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | sivang: in case you're wondering, the <qt/> portion was going to be the slow leg, so i asked the system to do it later | 18:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | now is a good later, so it's slowly integrating | 18:51 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sivang: in case you're wondering, the <qt/> portion was going to be the slow leg, so i asked the system to do it later | 18:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | now is a good later, so it's slowly integrating | 18:51 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: :) | 18:53 |
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| CosmoHill | the end is nin | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | or nie or something | 18:57 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sivang: i think it might finish in about an hour | 18:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | if you're feeling bad, you can actually watch its progress as there's a web ui to the underlying data | 18:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://mxr.meego.com/hgweb.cgi/qt/shortlog/default?revcount=7 | 18:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | but that's competing w/ the actual import, so .. be gentle | 18:58 |
| sivan | ih ops | 18:58 |
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| sivan | qgil: submitted. Hoping for good news :) | 18:59 |
| sivan | qgil: and thanks for the note! | 19:00 |
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| qgil | sivan: you're welcome | 19:00 |
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| dneary | hi all | 19:02 |
| dneary | qgil, I made a trademark suggestion to Brian yesterday - he's going to bring it back to the LF | 19:02 |
| dneary | qgil, The suggestion is to draft stock trademark license agreements for stuff which is going to come up often (events, community websites, community merchandise) and have click-throughh agreements for the terms & conditions for those | 19:03 |
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| dneary | Apparently, the idea of loosening TM guidelines just for MeeGo doesn't sit well with the LF lawyers, who want a consistent approach to their trademarks | 19:04 |
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| dneary | Hopefully that will allow 90% of the "acceptable" uses of the mark to get a license very easily, and the other 10% can still go through the process of negotiating a TM license with LF | 19:04 |
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| qgil | dneary: <quote>I'm not a lawyer and I haven't see the full proposal in written form</quote> but your idea looks promising ;) | 19:05 |
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| dneary | qgil, I'm going to wait to hear back from him whether the idea is viable before going to the list & starting work on what would be involved | 19:06 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: how do you say in english that phrase where you don't show your son the right way, you kind of hate him? | 19:12 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: חושך שבטו שונא בנו | 19:12 |
| timeless_w7ip | pastebin, my irc client isn't friendly | 19:13 |
| timeless_w7ip | but offhand i don't recognize your translation | 19:13 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: http://pastebin.com/8nKc5qJd | 19:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't recognize it (i do understand more or less what it's saying) and i can't offhand think of an equivalent | 19:15 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: "He who spares the whip hates his son" ? | 19:15 |
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| timeless_w7ip | hrm, maybe | 19:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | that sounds rather christian (#define alien) | 19:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://he.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%9A_%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%98%D7%95_%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%90_%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%95 | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | "He who keeps a whip also should own a fedora" | 19:16 |
| ssweeny | spare the rod and spoil the child? | 19:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | ssweeny: definitely not the goal of the expression in question | 19:19 |
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| timeless_w7ip | offhand i'd probably search for expressions involving <blind> | 19:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | things like <the blind leading the blind> | 19:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | or <in the world of the blind, the one eyed man is king> | 19:20 |
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| sivan | the expression is metaphoric | 19:20 |
| sivan | in kabalic sense even | 19:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | or <don't place a stumbling block before the blind> | 19:20 |
| sivan | precisly | 19:20 |
| sivan | well, I sort of explained it in the email. | 19:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | if i couldn't find any other translation, i'd probably fall back to that | 19:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | there are things about <father>s and <hard handed> | 19:21 |
| sivan | I did mine - feel free to reply and correct if you feel it is 'offending' | 19:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | and there are things about <aimless> | 19:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | you might also fair well by looking for a <shepherd> | 19:21 |
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| timeless_w7ip | the closest i've personally used is <when the cat's away, the mice will sleep> | 19:21 |
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| timeless_w7ip | the standard is <when the cat's away, the mice will play> | 19:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | there's also <idle hands> w/ <devil> or something | 19:22 |
| sivan | idle hands is cute | 19:23 |
| sivan | anyway, sent it | 19:23 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: -community | 19:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | sivan: if you could get the actual <proverbs> ref for it,, we could probably look it up | 19:24 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sounds like proverbs 23:13 | 19:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | > Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. | 19:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | but as far as i'm concerned, things that involve <rod>s are generally <christian> | 19:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | even if they aren't originally. they just weren't part of my general ed | 19:26 |
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| sivan | I see. | 19:26 |
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| timeless_w7ip | e.g. spare the rod spoil the child | 19:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | dunno its source, but it just doesn't fit my world view | 19:26 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: well, the explenation show the true meaning. | 19:27 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: it is more of denying wisdom by letting the child do whatever he likes, as in the king's new cloths, etc | 19:27 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: where the kind is naked by people are afraid to tell | 19:27 |
| sivan | etc | 19:27 |
| sivan | *king | 19:28 |
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| sivan | it is no really about hitting anybody with anything... at least that is what I was taught as its kabalic meaning. | 19:28 |
| vgrade-nexus | andrewfblack: look at http://gitorious.org/uxselect for choosing your ux | 19:29 |
| sivan | it is like when you let what you think is wrong with the child go un-noticed and un-addressed, you deny him wisdom and development. | 19:29 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: damn this non nativenes..gets you in trouble everytime ;) | 19:30 |
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| timeless_w7ip | s/you/me/ ? | 19:30 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: I sent the email :) | 19:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i'm not subscribed :) | 19:32 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: you're not?? :) | 19:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm unlikely to comment unless someone really really really needs something | 19:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't like mailing lists | 19:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | they're the path to the dark side | 19:32 |
| sivan | forums instead? | 19:32 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: lol | 19:32 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: spoekn like a true appletian | 19:32 |
| sivan | :-p | 19:32 |
| berndhs | ah but the dark side has its rewards | 19:32 |
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| sivan | brause+++ | 19:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | certain death? dispair? doom? pain? suffering? death of the first born? | 19:33 |
| sivan | err | 19:33 |
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| andrewfblack | vgrade-nexus: Thanks | 19:33 |
| sivan | berndhs++ | 19:33 |
| andrewfblack | Anyone know if the touch controls on the IVI ui are suppose to be inverted? | 19:33 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: check t.m.o sometime if you want some dark sides :) | 19:33 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: especially after 11 feb | 19:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | that's ok | 19:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's dark enough here already | 19:34 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: LOL | 19:35 |
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| timeless_w7ip | qt is now in nov '09 | 19:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | hopefully it'll reach jan by 8pm | 19:38 |
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| alterego | You're mxr'ing Qt? :) | 19:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | alterego: someone complained that a significant portion of meego is built around qt | 19:38 |
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| timeless_w7ip | and thus not having qt indexed is unfortunate | 19:39 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | so i'm absorbing qt, yeah | 19:39 |
| alterego | I think it's cool :) | 19:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org | 19:39 |
| alterego | Might be quite useful. | 19:39 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: lol | 19:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it's indexed (minus qt itself which is still being absorbed) | 19:39 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: http://pastebin.com/fZs2PLti not sure about the allienation thing though. | 19:39 |
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| alterego | Does that include mobility? ;) | 19:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | alterego: try loading it? | 19:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | mxr should be able to answer questions faster than me | 19:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'll gladly walk you through using mxr | 19:40 |
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| alterego | Hah, not on a 2G connection in wont :P | 19:40 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: it's trying | 19:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | step 1.load http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org (this root is not yet advertised) | 19:40 |
| sivan | nothing with mobility in so far | 19:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | 2.click 'qt.gitorious.org' on the left - this lets you browse the root | 19:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | 3.you'll see a list of directories, in the case of gitorious projects, these are individual git repos which were hosted by the given service | 19:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | 4. since you care about mobility, use 'find on page' in yoru browser to look for it | 19:42 |
| sivan | oh nice! | 19:42 |
| sivan | it's in. | 19:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | s/yoru/your/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: 4. since you care about mobility, use 'find on page' in your browser to look for it | 19:42 |
| alterego | again not very fun through 2G :P | 19:42 |
| sivan | alterego: http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/source/pyside-mobility/tests/PublishSubscribe/publishsubscribe_test.py , an example | 19:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | alterego: mxr should not be very expensive wrt bandwidth | 19:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | i've used it over dialup | 19:43 |
| alterego | No, I guess not | 19:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | it isn't like you're cloning a repository | 19:43 |
| sivan | that's why I like it | 19:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | sivan: wow, that actually did something useful | 19:43 |
| sivan | timeless_w7ip: hehe | 19:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | note that mxr doesn't really know much about .py | 19:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | it understands <from> kinda | 19:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | as you can see from lines 4 and 5 | 19:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | well, really line 4. line 5 shows a limitation | 19:45 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i think the other identifiers are either <js> or <C++> | 19:46 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: right, useful enough for me though. | 19:48 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: Does it understand <women> ? | 19:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: well, iirc it does have a limited understanding of <man> | 19:48 |
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| * timeless_w7ip tries to remember where that is | 19:48 | |
| gabrbedd | Well, that's nothing to groff at... | 19:49 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: same here, same. | 19:49 |
| sivan | :-p | 19:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/lirc/doc/man/ | 19:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: that iirc is its fulles understanding of <man> | 19:50 |
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| timeless_w7ip | s/es/est/ | 19:50 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: gabrbedd: that iirc is its fullest understanding of <man> | 19:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | ooh, qt is in jan '10 | 19:50 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_w7ip: Looks like cat man | 19:52 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ? | 19:54 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i actually think i have the drafts of a python parser on one of my installs | 19:55 |
| * timeless_w7ip needs to finalize a couple dozen tasks | 19:55 | |
| timeless_w7ip | woohoo, feb '10 | 19:55 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://mxr.meego.com/hgweb.cgi/qt/rev/6757ecda613a?revcount=5 | 19:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | strange author | 19:57 |
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| timeless_w7ip | oh, sivan, if you manage to find a more exciting file, like http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/source/scxml/src/qscxml.cpp#1614 | 19:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | do note the drop down box | 20:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | the cross reference doesn't actually have an index of all versions, but it's willing to show you any version w/ identifiers linked to searches | 20:02 |
| * sivan wonders if 'using mxr' for beginners could be complementory to meego tutorials | 20:02 | |
| sivan | as in like. reaching beyond examples | 20:02 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ideally they'd be at least integrated in basic tutorials | 20:04 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it really is your friend | 20:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | hrm, ... ran into some old branch | 20:04 |
| * sivan adds a note to the bug report | 20:05 | |
| timeless_w7ip | which? | 20:05 |
| rainland | h | 20:05 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: mine, about the beginner's gude | 20:06 |
| sivan | guide | 20:06 |
| sivan | damn keyboard | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: has there been any talks on 1.2 compliance yet btw? | 20:06 |
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| sivan | please gods of mighty desert land, let my network go! | 20:07 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12877 | 20:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | where do you want it to go? | 20:08 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 12877 maj, Undecided, ---, sivan, ASSI, First Stop at Becoming a Hero: A guide for first *non* hello world app on MeeGo. | 20:08 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: go where it needs to arrive, bugs.meego.com :) | 20:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | comment 17 has a 'ttp:' instead of 'http:' | 20:10 |
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| iekku | no way to change that | 20:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | someone could add a comment with the correct url so people could click it :) | 20:12 |
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| iekku | :D | 20:12 |
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| sivan | timeless_w7ip: done | 20:13 |
| sivan | I have to run now. | 20:14 |
| sivan | be back later. | 20:14 |
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| timeless_w7ip | sivan: do note that i'm trying to provide examples of magical mxr syntax in my bug reports | 20:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | [sivan can read the logs] | 20:14 |
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| Sage | lbt: btw any timeline for adding armv7hl (armv8el scheduler) to the cobs? | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Doc <-- speaks the truth | 20:31 |
| RST38h | sorry, wrong channel | 20:31 |
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| mwichmann | Stskeeps: sorry, missed you earlier | 20:35 |
| mwichmann | "a bit" is the answer | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:37 |
| mwichmann | there's now a bug category for compliance spec, comments attached there will be useful | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 20:37 |
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| mwichmann | I've been waiting for the architecture folks to make their determinations, which seems to have happened | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that thread requires a fair bit of therapy after done reading it ;) | 20:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | miwchmann: who did you have to bribe to get a component/product? | 20:38 |
| mwichmann | I got ignored, so I asked bdub to file a bug and that worked :) | 20:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | bdub? | 20:38 |
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| mwichmann | LF - Brian Warner | 20:39 |
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| timeless_w7ip | got a bug #? | 20:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | (yes, i'm lazy) | 20:42 |
| mwichmann | bug 13458 | 20:42 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, RESO FIXED, Add new categories for compliance and specs | 20:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | the sad thing is that eric is 2 wings away from my office | 20:43 |
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| mwichmann | was actually added by someone else, fwiw | 20:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | mwichmann: any idea what magical pixie dust bug 11514 is missing? | 20:44 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11514 enh, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, NEW, please add a product mxr.meego.com in MeeGo Community Infrastructure classification | 20:44 |
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| timeless_w7ip | interesting, it was done by the qa contact, not the assignee | 20:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | mwichmann: could i get you to ask someone to ask someone to do something about my poor bug? | 20:45 |
| * timeless_w7ip flaps tiny butterfly wings | 20:45 | |
| mwichmann | uh.... I'll ask | 20:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | thanks! | 20:46 |
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| lbt | Sage: done (I think) | 21:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | heh | 21:02 |
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| timeless_w7ip | qt is kinda @ 12 months ago :) | 21:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | ooh, time for me to try not to starve | 21:04 |
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| Sage | lbt: ah so it seems. | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | offline, gnite \o | 21:29 |
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| lbt | is there a TSG tonight ? | 21:53 |
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| lbt | I recall the discussion a couple of nights ago but not that | 21:54 |
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| berndhs | wiki still says TBD | 21:58 |
| berndhs | and nobody has announced the new member replacing valhalla | 21:58 |
| thiago_home | there hasn't been one since the elopocalypse | 21:58 |
| thiago_home | it'll probably be mika lempinen | 21:58 |
| berndhs | does mika know about that ? | 21:59 |
| lbt | qgil: said something a couple of nights ago | 21:59 |
| pupnik | what baout | 21:59 |
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| lbt | ah.... was just : [Tuesday 15 March 2011] [19:06:42] <Stskeeps> we have a TSG tomorrow? :P | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | i vote that we solve all disputes by whoever wins in tic-tac-toe. | 22:01 |
| iekku | :D | 22:01 |
| * lbt goes first | 22:01 | |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Well, go! | 22:01 |
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| lbt | x | 22:01 |
| gabrbedd | o @ (2,2) | 22:02 |
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| lbt | x @ (optimal position) | 22:02 |
| iekku | hahahahaha | 22:02 |
| * lbt invokes schroedinger | 22:02 | |
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| gabrbedd | cat game > /dev/null | 22:03 |
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| * w00t_ patchbombs meego-dev@ again | 22:04 | |
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| * gabrbedd nominates the cat to the TSG | 22:04 | |
| thiago_home | we were supposed to have one TSG the week of Feb 14, but it didn't happen due to MWC | 22:05 |
| thiago_home | two weeks later, it was the Helsinki-area Winter vacation | 22:05 |
| thiago_home | today is two weeks later from that | 22:05 |
| gabrbedd | this week, i wonder if SXSW got in the way... | 22:06 |
| berndhs | let's just go to Imad's house and demand a meeting :) | 22:06 |
| * thiago_home can call imad, the only known member of the TSG | 22:07 | |
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| lbt | can we send him flowers? | 22:07 |
| w00t_ | lol | 22:07 |
| thiago_home | I don't think that works over the phone | 22:07 |
| * lbt is up for it ;) | 22:07 | |
| thiago_home | I don't know where he lives, besides "Portland area" | 22:07 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: is he back from SXSW? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | we're in 2011 and we can't send flowers over the phone? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:07 |
| lbt | small ones? | 22:07 |
| thiago_home | SXSW? | 22:07 |
| lbt | thiago_home: you're too old | 22:08 |
| thiago_home | btw, I'm pretty sure the meeting today isn't scheduled | 22:08 |
| thiago_home | Imad was supposed to be travelling today | 22:08 |
| w00t_ | you can order flowers from a local florist, over the phone | 22:08 |
| * w00t_ knows someone who does that | 22:08 | |
| lbt | no - it was Stskeeps's comment leading me on | 22:08 |
| lbt | I think we should send them to his office | 22:08 |
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| thiago_home | that's easy | 22:09 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: It's a pretty big music/media conference in Austin TX called "South by Southwest" and abbreviated SXSW. | 22:09 |
| thiago_home | Intel's address is well-known :-) | 22:09 |
| lbt | "from your jilted colleagues @ #meego-meeting" | 22:09 |
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| lbt | nah | 22:09 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: Dawn and Imad and some other @intel's were there over the weekend and the start of this week. | 22:09 |
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| lbt | one of those party balloons with #meego-meeting on it ? | 22:10 |
| w00t_ | #meego is where the party is really at, anyway :P | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 22:10 |
| lbt | we could mention #meego-bar | 22:10 |
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| iekku | I need to go to sleep, laughing alone at the kitchen to the channel | 22:12 |
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| gabrbedd | iekku: in my house, it usually doesn't help to have people around when I'm snickering at IRC. | 22:13 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, I'm alone | 22:13 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: they usually say, "what?" -- and they never like the answer. | 22:13 |
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| gabrbedd | iekku: so, that's no fun either. :-) | 22:14 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, my bf (or wife as I call him) has already learned not to ask if i'm at computer and laughing | 22:14 |
| * w00t_ is lucky enough to have a gf who knows of irc | 22:14 | |
| w00t_ | so neither of us is surprised when the other starts cracking up at a screen :) | 22:15 |
| iekku | w00t_, bf has quit | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | i almost managed to quit irc and then maemo and meego came along.. | 22:15 |
| iekku | :D | 22:15 |
| w00t_ | ^ | 22:15 |
| iekku | I had life in the late 90's | 22:16 |
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| CosmoHill | http://applegeeks.com/comics/viewcomic.php?issue=125 | 22:16 |
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| w00t_ | right... do I want to fix this second mess in libseaside tonight, or do I leave that until tomorrow | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | iekku: sounds wise | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | I won't ask any questions if my mate is looking at 4 chan | 22:18 |
| lbt | what should the card say? | 22:19 |
| lbt | "We're missing you in #meego-meeting ...." ? | 22:19 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks to facebook, spending hours alone at the computer instead of actually seeing / talking to people in person isn't just the smart computer people | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: you mean farmville | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | facebook is making anti-socialness more accessible to everyone | 22:22 |
| * lbt is on the florist site now... | 22:23 | |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: probably, I don't have facebook | 22:23 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: safest | 22:23 |
| CosmoHill | I'd rather play split screen than online | 22:23 |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: if I had facebook I'd 'like' that statement ;-p | 22:23 |
| CosmoHill | someone told me a statment that I'm not going to repeat | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | lets just say the guys an idiot, 3 likes, 5000+ dislikes | 22:24 |
| dm8tbr | ew | 22:24 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: "Hope you get well soon! #meego-meeting hasn't been the same without you!" | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | would now be a good time to mention that my mum designs cards? | 22:25 |
| lbt | the balloon is "Thinking of you" | 22:26 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: does she deliver? | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, in case you didn't get my late-night highlight from before (re: nomination), I'd like to reiterate how disappoint I am. :) | 22:27 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: I didn't, and I do apologise. I'm a little annoyed myself, but I do stand by what I said -- that I'd not really be able to do more than I already am | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | erm, suppose so | 22:28 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: to portland? | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | I keep getting told that I should design a website for her | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: where ever royal mail go to | 22:29 |
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| CosmoHill | what is this card thing for anyway? | 22:34 |
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| lbt | Imad ... since he's been avoiding us | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | well, not entirely, he did send a mail regarding tablet ux :P | 22:35 |
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| CosmoHill | may I recommend the blood red A4 sheet with newspaper cuttings for text? | 22:35 |
| lbt | .... on irc | 22:35 |
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| CosmoHill | iirc we only ever saw him in meetings | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | nah, he was hanging out in here on day zero as well | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | and some time after that | 22:39 |
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| GAN900 | w00t_, I sympathize, but I still have to bug you about it. :P | 22:46 |
| w00t_ | :) | 22:46 |
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| timeless_w7ip | thiago: 1-800-flowers | 23:14 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://www.1800flowers.com | 23:14 |
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| mikhas | timeless_w7ip, flowers and chocolate? | 23:40 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mikhas: for the TSG | 23:56 |
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| Jaffa | Oh, was there the TSG meeting tonight? | 23:58 |
| berndhs | Jaffa: no, that's why flowers and baloons are being sent to Imad | 23:58 |
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