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| gabrbedd | leinir: Most tablets I've encountered... if I tap on F10, F11, and F12 during the BIOS screen, I'll get boot options. | 00:01 |
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| gabrbedd | I usually don't go back to see which one was the money key. | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, most boises also allow password on settings entry | 00:02 |
| lcuk | bioses | 00:02 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Well, he didn't say he was dealing with a BIOS password, but an extlinux password. | 00:02 |
| * lcuk half an eye on Magnum | 00:04 | |
| lcuk | just saw your last message and had bios password prompt there just a couple of days ago | 00:04 |
| lcuk | there was even one on the select boot menu afaik | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: You make me sad :-( | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | Someone needs to poke achipa to accept vivainio's nomination. | 00:05 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Reminds me, my brother was trying to reset a BIOS password on a business class Thinkpad over xmas. That was a bad news project. :-/ They had a really good system for securing the bios password. | 00:05 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: I make myself sad | 00:05 |
| w00t_ | but, I really wouldn't do anything useful | 00:05 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I have thinkpads here, yes actual physical security, like putting them in a safe | 00:05 |
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| halvors | Is there some handset's aut there with is running Meego? | 00:09 |
| halvors | out* | 00:09 |
| lcuk | n900 | 00:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: cc'd | 00:10 |
| lcuk | will check inthe morning timeless_w7ip o\ | 00:10 |
| lcuk | \o | 00:10 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: well, it can be rooted... but it's definately not fun to do. Requires soldering and serial consoles and all sorts of crap. | 00:11 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, sure | 00:12 |
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| gabrbedd | leinir: I was thinking while driving... are you actually getting a password prompt... or a "boot:" prompt? | 00:52 |
| gabrbedd | When extlinux is in the MBR, it looks in the partition table for the bootable partition... and goes there to load stage 2. | 00:53 |
| leinir | gabrbedd: well, if i press esc or tab i get a password prompt (a sort of window in front of the menu), but i /can/ get to the boot prompt by selecting something and going tabtabtabtab! like a crazy person... | 00:53 |
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| leinir | Right... yeah, it's booting off of /dev/sdb5, which is the /boot created by the meego installer | 00:54 |
| gabrbedd | leinir: Any luck doing a USB boot? | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | istr meego installer asks if you want to create a bootloader password | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | syslinux and extlinux are closely related | 00:56 |
| leinir | no... but i'm downloading the official recovery image from wetab, let's see if that might not allow me to get to something with fdisk available so i can mark the right partition bootable :P | 00:57 |
| hpa | ali1234: in fact, they are the same thing since version 4.00 | 00:57 |
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| ali1234 | therefore i would be looking closely at that recovery image for the bootloader config files to find the password :) | 00:57 |
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| gabrbedd | Well, he can't boot MeeGo at all... so it doesn't sound to me like the problem is the password. But I dunno. :-) | 00:58 |
| leinir | ali1234: the password isn't stored in clear text, otherwise it'd be much easier, as this is just the one the wetab ships with ;) | 00:58 |
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| leinir | The password issue is now circumvented, never mind that one ;) | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | i don't like things with passwords where i don't know the password | 00:59 |
| leinir | ali1234: you're not alone :P | 00:59 |
| gabrbedd | Well, extlinux.conf stores the md5 or sha1 hash of the password... so you can get CosmoHill to use his cluster for a brute force attack. :-) | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | um... can't you just modify the config and remove the password? | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | or is that how you broke it in the first place :) | 01:00 |
| leinir | but it's really a detail, if i'd thought a bit more on the topic, i could've simply removed/replaced/whatever that password... but i made a stupid and copied over the wetab extlinux.conf into the tablet ux installed /boot... which isn't, it seems, structured entirely correctly... and i'm now unable to do much ;) | 01:01 |
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| leinir | ali1234: i can't get to that disk's contents, that's the root of the issue ;) | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | this is when you need the screwdriver with safety bit set :) | 01:01 |
| gabrbedd | brute force is always more fun. :-p | 01:01 |
| ar | gabrbedd: if it's md5, an ordinary pc can break it in ~40minutes | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: after much thought and swearing I've decided that blender can to to hell | 01:03 |
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| vgrade | More tegra2 progress, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg60SfEaMoA | 01:49 |
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| lardman | cool :) | 01:50 |
| pupnik | :) | 01:50 |
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| vgrade | not bad for sw rendering | 01:55 |
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| lardman | catch you guys tomorrow | 02:02 |
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| lukar | hi guys | 04:14 |
| lukar | anyone here who has worked with Meego IVI recently? | 04:15 |
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| neogeo | Hi | 06:59 |
| neogeo | Is it polite if I ask something? | 07:00 |
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| gabrbedd | neogeo: yes. Don't ask to ask... just ask. Then maybe someone will answer. | 07:02 |
| Myrtti | you just did ask something... ;-) | 07:02 |
| neogeo | hehe sorry :) | 07:02 |
| neogeo | Actually I'm trying to boot meego on qemu, building and qflashing was fine but it just stopped after booting on kernel side. I don't know why.. so I just want to get kernel source code since I want to debug by myself | 07:03 |
| neogeo | Where I can get the proper source patches for kernel ? | 07:04 |
| neogeo | I'm using kernel image in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-handset-armv7l-qemu/ | 07:04 |
| gabrbedd | neogeo: The matching sources are here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/source/ | 07:06 |
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| neogeo | oh I see | 07:06 |
| gabrbedd | neogeo: Have you tried to ssh into the qemu boot? | 07:06 |
| neogeo | Thank you very much! | 07:06 |
| neogeo | nope not yet | 07:06 |
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| neogeo | I'll try that either ! | 07:06 |
| gabrbedd | I suggest trying that first... look at the logs to see what's happening. | 07:07 |
| gabrbedd | First log to look at will be /tmp/Xorg.0.meego.log | 07:07 |
| gabrbedd | ...or something like that. | 07:07 |
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| gabrbedd | IIRC, qemu problems are usually a video problem. :-) | 07:07 |
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| neogeo | hmm there is no response at all | 07:09 |
| neogeo | The Ip address I should use is , the address I've set with -redir tcp bla bla.. right? | 07:09 |
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| * gabrbedd is looking it up... been a while. | 07:16 | |
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| gabrbedd | neogeo: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes#SSH_into_QEMU_Image | 07:19 |
| neogeo | Thank you very much! | 07:19 |
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| timeless_w7ip | wazd: do you have slides? | 08:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | wazd: and do you want feedback on your presentation? | 08:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | beyond the basics (get the slides up, and pronunciation notes), you should always repeat questions asked by the audience | 08:40 |
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| timeless_w7ip | wazd, on the subject of UI.. http://timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8/ | 11:25 |
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| lcukn900 | timeless, morning | 11:29 |
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| MoL0ToV | hi to all | 11:30 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: morning | 11:30 |
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| MoL0ToV | i'm a nokia and linux user from years. Someone know howto query to Sebastian Nystroem? are on freenode? | 11:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mol0tov: err | 11:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | he's kinda busy | 11:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'd rather hope he *isn't* reachable by irc | 11:32 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's kinda like asking if Joe Biden is available via irc | 11:33 |
| MoL0ToV | i tryed, np | 11:33 |
| MoL0ToV | thankyou | 11:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | what do you actually want to do? | 11:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | he's probably currently drowning under internal requests | 11:34 |
| MoL0ToV | i read today on a italian newspaper that are the new project manager for meego | 11:34 |
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| MoL0ToV | so i want to say him why people don't buy nokia phones in italy | 11:35 |
| MoL0ToV | and how linux can help nokia to sell more phones | 11:35 |
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| timeless_w7ip | he's the wrong person to talk to | 11:35 |
| timoph | take it to the -bar please | 11:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | he's been asked to help some group ship a product and to plan a future | 11:35 |
| timeless_w7ip | the product itself already has its target audience and most other parameters set | 11:36 |
| MoL0ToV | yes i know | 11:36 |
| MoL0ToV | i want to say my opinion | 11:36 |
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| timeless_w7ip | trying to address another target audience (which may or may not already be targeted) now would only delay things | 11:36 |
| MoL0ToV | this can help linux and nokia | 11:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | and that's not helpful to any product | 11:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyway, last point before timoph's -bar request... | 11:37 |
| MoL0ToV | i'm a member of a italian phones forum | 11:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | the thing that will help linux/nokia is shipping a product | 11:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | timoph suggested #meego-bar i guess | 11:37 |
| timoph | yep | 11:37 |
| * timeless_w7ip would suggest not bothering or asking someone who speaks Italian + good English for an explanation of the above | 11:38 | |
| MoL0ToV | if nokia switch to windows phone, the people (here in italy) buy samsung or android. this is a fact | 11:38 |
| MoL0ToV | here in italy i mean | 11:38 |
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| MoL0ToV | i don't know in other country | 11:38 |
| timeless_w7ip | Sebastian has nothing to do w/ WP7 @ nokia | 11:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | so contacting him is pointless | 11:39 |
| MoL0ToV | who i can contact? | 11:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyway, please use #meego-bar if you feel you must say anything else on this topic | 11:39 |
| MoL0ToV | is a stupid thing switch to windows phone for italian market | 11:39 |
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| MoL0ToV | ethically and commercially | 11:40 |
| timoph | MoL0ToV: this is not a nokia channel | 11:40 |
| MoL0ToV | ok sorry | 11:40 |
| MoL0ToV | i join -bar channel | 11:40 |
| timoph | thanks | 11:40 |
| MoL0ToV | you too | 11:40 |
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| jonnor | X-Fade: lbt: do you know who is the sysadmin for creating mailing lists? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | dawn foster, there's a bugzilla item for this | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | and a guideline | 11:49 |
| jonnor | Stskeeps: I got the approval | 11:49 |
| jonnor | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 | 11:49 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML | 11:49 |
| jonnor | It just has not been acted upon | 11:49 |
| * lbt cries | 11:49 | |
| X-Fade | jonnor: We can't access the lists just yet :) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | jonnor: So can't help you there. | 11:51 |
| jonnor | X-Fade: do you know who can? | 11:51 |
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| X-Fade | jonnor: Afaik Dawn is in charge of that? | 11:51 |
| jonnor | Dawn has been prodded about it as well, but nothing, so I figured go straight to the sysadmin. | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | jonnor: It is not about access, it is about policy. | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | jonnor: Even if I could, I wouldn't do it before approval :) | 11:52 |
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| jonnor | X-Fade: as you can see in the bug, approval has been given | 11:53 |
| jonnor | *commented asking for news* | 11:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | hi x-fade, lbt | 11:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | .. stskeeps | 11:54 |
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| jonnor | Oh well. If anyone knows the appropriate person, please point them to https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 | 11:55 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML | 11:55 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, hold on sorting through a stack of mail and pms and channels | 12:21 |
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| bkalinga | hi All, I have compiled, and installed meegotouch-inputmethodframework taking the .rpm in my QEMU setup for Meego1.1 Handset UX | 12:38 |
| bkalinga | now i want to do a source level debugging of that package | 12:38 |
| bkalinga | how can i do that | 12:38 |
| bkalinga | can someone give some advice | 12:38 |
| thiago | install the sources, recompile it | 12:39 |
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| bkalinga | yes i have done that | 12:43 |
| bkalinga | thiago: My question is how to debug? Whether to use Qtcreator for this or gdb? | 12:44 |
| bkalinga | i have compiled inside QEMU prompt | 12:44 |
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| thiago | use the environment you prefer | 12:45 |
| bkalinga | is it possible through QtCreator ? | 12:46 |
| thiago | yes | 12:46 |
| bkalinga | how to do that as it is available on my Ubuntu | 12:46 |
| thiago | no idea | 12:46 |
| bkalinga | and i want to debug a .so which is inside QEMU | 12:46 |
| bkalinga | thiago: so you got the problem | 12:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | bkalinga: ask google | 12:47 |
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| bkalinga | yeah i have already searched but no significant help | 12:48 |
| thiago | no, I don't | 12:49 |
| thiago | is it of a different architecture? | 12:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | bkalinga: did you search for qemu+gdb? | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, right, gmorning \o | 12:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | and how much are you running in qemu? | 12:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | the lazy approach is to run gdb in qemu w/ everything else | 12:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | if you prefer a gui, run gdb-server in qemu w/ everything else and then connect to it | 12:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: it's 1pm - lunch time, and it'll be a good morning if you save me from answering stupid bug questions | 12:52 |
| * timeless_w7ip is trying to move 6gb of data from flash to a uSD :( | 12:53 | |
| lcuk | stupid bug questions are your own consideration, I have a stack of them myself | 12:53 |
| bkalinga | imeless_w7ip: once i do ssh meego@127.0.0.1 -p 6666 i get the qemu prompt | 12:55 |
| bkalinga | i need to run gdb there | 12:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | well, i'd probably install gdbserver and use that | 12:56 |
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| timeless_w7ip | installing gdb server is relatively easy (cross compile if necessary) | 12:56 |
| bkalinga | and where to run gdb-server sorry for asking silly question | 12:56 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, is this about 14224 | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | #MeeGo-Meeting :: N900 Developer Edition Team Meetings: Every Tuesday at 11:00 UTC, 13:00 EEST | 13:00 |
| lcuk | ie now | 13:00 |
| lcuk | I think | 13:00 |
| lcuk | :$ | 13:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | heh | 13:00 |
| bkalinga | timeless_w7ip: if i am correct i need to run gdbserver HOST:PORT PROG [ARGS ...] on target and gdb /program on Host | 13:00 |
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| bkalinga | but the problem is how to get the program path from Host | 13:01 |
| bkalinga | as that is inside QEMU | 13:01 |
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| timeless_w7ip | you typically have a second copy of the program on your host | 13:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | you happen to be using one computer, but remember that gdbserver is designed for real wires where target and host are not the same | 13:03 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | morn Khertan | 13:25 |
| Khertan | Mornin' Stskeeps | 13:26 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: so... | 13:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | no support from the friendly channel huggers? :( | 13:31 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, I asked whether it was the bug you already cced | 13:32 |
| lcuk | if it is not that, which bugs is it? | 13:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i cc'd you last night iirc | 13:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | lemme get you a url | 13:34 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14224#c4 | 13:35 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14224 is not accessible | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, so you need to http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/meego-gnupg2/merge_requests isknow who/what the upstream of | 13:37 |
| lcuk | or is it enough to just offer a MR to there? | 13:37 |
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| timeless_w7ip | !?@ | 13:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | why can't i just attach a patch and expect someone else to deal w/ the paperwork? | 13:42 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, I am just asking question - you are right of course | 13:43 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk; basically, i don't understand how or why the person asked the question | 13:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | if merge requests are public then that person would know where they are and if i've made one | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | MR notifications suck on gitorious | 13:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | stskeeps: no comment :) | 13:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | either way, whomever maintains a package should be responsible for dealing w/ patch upstreaming | 13:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | and if a patch is sent upstream twice, who cares? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, ... you will perhaps shout a little | 13:50 |
| lcuk | you have not "Signed-off-by:" your contribution | 13:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: anyway, if you could spare me sounding incredulous in that bug report, i'd appreciate it | 13:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | i checked the "i allow you to do whatever with this contribution" checkbox when i attached it! | 13:51 |
| lcuk | The contribution guidelines state that offering a patch directly inside the | 13:51 |
| lcuk | bugzilla is one of the methods: | 13:51 |
| lcuk | http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines | 13:51 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, I commented | 13:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | if that doesn't do the right thing, then please get someone to fix bugzilla :) | 13:51 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: comment looks good | 13:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | but i'm going to ignore the signed-off by | 13:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | unless someone pokes me again, at which point i'm going to kick the bugzilla team :) | 13:52 |
| * timeless_w7ip hunts for an office or something | 13:52 | |
| lcuk | based on what you just said, perhaps the contribution document needs tweaking for bugzilla patches | 13:52 |
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| timeless_w7ip | technically the flow chart (did i make it?) says that patches should be sent upstream | 13:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | but i consider that a crappy choice | 13:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | if i want to write 100 patches, i shouldn't be forced to find 100 upstreams | 13:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | maemo.org was nice enough not to force me to do that | 13:54 |
| * timeless_w7ip thanks andre | 13:54 | |
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| andre__ | cheers :) | 13:56 |
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| bkalinga | how can i ssh/scp from my qemu prompt (meego@[meego-handset-sdk]::~$)to my Host system [kalinga@kalinga-desktop:] | 14:16 |
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| CosmoHill | bkalinga: the same way you'd ssh from another host on your network | 14:23 |
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| bkalinga | qemu is running on my host machine i i do a ssh uisng this "ssh meego@127.0.0.1 -p 6666" but once i enter qemu prompt don't know how to do a scp a file from there to my host system | 14:24 |
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| bkalinga | CosmoHill:sorry, if this seems to be a silly question | 14:25 |
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| bkalinga | i tried ssh kalinga@kalinga-desktop | 14:26 |
| bkalinga | but got thiserror ssh: connect to host kalinga-desktop port 22: Connection refused | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | try using the ip | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | try sftp instead of ssh | 14:27 |
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| bkalinga | i need to use sftp from my host prompt or from qemu prompt: i need to copy a file from qemu to host | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | it's much easier to go from VM to host than from host to VM | 14:34 |
| CosmoHill | unless your VM uses a bridge then it's the same either way | 14:34 |
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| jonnor | bkalinga: scp -p 6666 meego@127.0.0.1:somefile ./ | 14:36 |
| jonnor | bkalinga: man scp/ssh for more info | 14:36 |
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| bkalinga | scp -p 6666 meego@127.0.0.1:somefile ./ what it will do? | 14:36 |
| bkalinga | will it copy some file from qemu to my Host Ubuntu?? | 14:36 |
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| jonnor | Try it and see. Or read the documentation. (hint: yes) | 14:37 |
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| bkalinga | jonnor: it copied the file from qemu to qemu | 14:40 |
| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/UDsxB43D | 14:40 |
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| bkalinga | but my requirement is to copy a file from qemu to my host machine | 14:41 |
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| bkalinga | scp -p 6666 meego@127.0.0.1:/usr/lib/libmeegoimframework.so ./ from ubuntu prompt give this error | 14:52 |
| bkalinga | cp: cannot stat `6666': No such file or directory | 14:52 |
| bkalinga | ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 22: Connection refused | 14:52 |
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| laitiju | scp -P | 14:54 |
| bkalinga | thanks | 14:54 |
| bkalinga | done | 14:54 |
| bkalinga | my mistake was that "-p" | 14:54 |
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| bkalinga | error while using gdb-gdbserver http://pastebin.com/j2Db1M7G | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | bug 14483 | 15:03 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.leibowitz, NEW, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved | 15:03 |
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| timoph | lcuk: found a better one - bug 14478 | 15:06 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14478 nor, Undecided, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, First boot setup does not complete when time zone is set to Helsinki | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | timoph, !! | 15:07 |
| timoph | :) | 15:08 |
| lcuk | timoph, does this need confirmation by driving to Tampere or something to see if it is reproduable in other Finnish cities?! | 15:09 |
| timoph | :) | 15:09 |
| timoph | luckily no | 15:09 |
| lcuk | hmm on my ideapad | 15:09 |
| lcuk | I just noticed the compositor and xterm interaction is odd | 15:10 |
| lcuk | handset image using 800*480 as usual with a border | 15:10 |
| lcuk | xterm has a tile on the dashboard, but behind everything taking up fullscreen is the xterm itself | 15:10 |
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| Sage | arfoll, lbt: I talked about that blog post about xbmc and MeeGo on both Intel and ARM. Got it finaly published: http://cybercomchannel.com/using-xbmc-meego-12 | 16:20 |
| lbt | *nod* | 16:20 |
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| * lcuk dd drains lifeforce | 16:56 | |
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| gabrbedd | sudo nohup dd if=/dev/random of=lcuk bs=1M &> /dev/null | 16:59 |
| gabrbedd | need... more... entropy.... | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I would prefer bacon. | 17:00 |
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| gabrbedd | sudo nohup dd if=/dev/bacon of=lcuk bs=1M &> /dev/null | 17:02 |
| lcuk | can I expand an image copied onto external MMC for meego | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | running out of space because it got formatted to 2gb is a bit frustrating | 17:02 |
| lcuk | (it is a 4gb card) | 17:02 |
| wathek | QGestureRecognizer doesn't send QGestureEvent to QGraphicsObject is there a way to install an eventFilter or something that can get hte QGestureEvent and send it to QGraphicsObject ? | 17:02 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Depends on the file system. What file system is MeeGo installed on? | 17:03 |
| lcuk | wathek, still having trouble and no workaround yet? | 17:03 |
| wathek | lcuk, unfortunatly not :( | 17:03 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, MeeGoFs I think (ie IDK) | 17:03 |
| gabrbedd | hahaha! | 17:03 |
| wathek | lcuk, I created a bug report | 17:03 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: you know to use urandom unless you *need* random | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | wathek, link? | 17:03 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: lcuk needs real random, not some half-baked, artificial, wal-mart-grade random. | 17:04 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: $ cat /etc/mtab | 17:04 |
| wathek | lcuk, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18108 | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I just look in sketches folder after people have been playing with device for a bit | 17:04 |
| lcuk | always randomness | 17:04 |
| arfoll | Sage, thx for the link | 17:04 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: That'll tell you the FS of mounted partitions. | 17:04 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, ok once it does the dd and boots I will try that | 17:05 |
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| lbt | lcuk: FYI /dev/random can block unpredictably and cause nasty to track bugs | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | lbt /me does not use /dev/random | 17:06 |
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| Bostik | I would say that /dev/random will block quite reliably if doing any bigger reads :) | 17:06 |
| lbt | :) | 17:06 |
| ahiemstra | wathek: have you enabled acceptsTouchEvents or something like that for your graphics scene? | 17:07 |
| wathek | ahiemstra, yes | 17:07 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Yes, I know. :-) In fact I mentioned the 'entropy' as a hint that I knew... :-) | 17:07 |
| lbt | Bostik: I had a diskless box with no keyboard/mouse ... turns out automount used /dev/random | 17:07 |
| wathek | ahiemstra, on my QGraphicsObject and on my QGraphicsView | 17:07 |
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| lbt | gabrbedd: I know you knew .... just saying to lcuk.... :) | 17:07 |
| ahiemstra | wathek: what I needed to do to get it working is to call grabGesture on the view | 17:08 |
| ahiemstra | for the gestures you want | 17:08 |
| Bostik | aieeeeeee, that must have hurt | 17:08 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: The procedure is: (1) resize partition, (2) use the fs-specific tool to resize the partition (e.g. resize2fs for ext2/ext3 partitions) | 17:08 |
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| wathek | ahiemstra, it works well with QGraphicsView and QGraphicsScene but not with QGraphicsObject | 17:08 |
| lbt | Bostik: yep.... took a while to track down.... hence I like to tell devs not to use /dev/random | 17:08 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I don't know if btrfs has one. :-) | 17:08 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Ah... sorry. :-) | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I guess this is not something that can automatically happen when flashing/setting up meego onto an mmc | 17:09 |
| Bostik | lbt: using /dev/random is quite all right *IF AND ONLY IF* one understands exactly why they are doing it | 17:09 |
| lbt | yeah | 17:09 |
| Bostik | generating salts, hell yes | 17:09 |
| Bostik | generating PRNG seeds, absolutely | 17:09 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Well, they do do this on a pineview install with anaconda... don't know about MMC install. | 17:10 |
| * lbt wonders if meego should generate entropy from the accelerometers... | 17:10 | |
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| lcuk | lbt not all devices have them | 17:11 |
| lcuk | but that is a good idea | 17:11 |
| Bostik | but for frequently changing tokens... not a good idea (uuidgen might be even better for those) | 17:11 |
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| gabrbedd | well... maybe not /resize/ from anaconda... but still uses the whole partition. | 17:11 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: I'll bet that the kernel already will in a roundabout way. Not sure how the entropy "driver" works. | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | zypper is a bit fail | 18:00 |
| lcuk | [root@localhost ~]# df | 18:00 |
| lcuk | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 18:00 |
| lcuk | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1757812 713316 199696 79% / | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | then do some installs: | 18:00 |
| lcuk | 19 new packages to install. | 18:00 |
| lcuk | Overall download size: 28.5 MiB. After the operation, additional 69.9 MiB will be used. | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | then after installing: | 18:01 |
| lcuk | [root@localhost ~]# df | 18:01 |
| lcuk | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 18:01 |
| lcuk | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1757812 842112 81820 92% / | 18:01 |
| chinmaya | iekku: ping | 18:01 |
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| iekku | chinmaya, hi | 18:02 |
| chinmaya | iekku: hi .. still @office ? | 18:03 |
| iekku | chinmaya, basicly yes, working at home :D | 18:04 |
| chinmaya | iekku: thats cool...moving to a private conversation | 18:04 |
| iekku | chinmaya, you may ask needed things also if I'm not @office, I'm here to help | 18:04 |
| iekku | ok | 18:04 |
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| phl0x81 | hi | 18:39 |
| phl0x81 | just a question, where can I download the newest Version of the MeeGo Tablet version? Need to install it on the levono netvertible... | 18:39 |
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| lbt | phl0x81: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad is a good start | 18:41 |
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| gabrbedd | phl0x81: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego | 18:43 |
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| phl0x81 | ah, was looking around at meego.com | 18:43 |
| gabrbedd | phl0x81: Look for the link that says "Download MeeGo 1.2 Tablet UX Pre-Alpha" | 18:43 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: thanks .... I was hunting for that link - typical that it's not on meego.com | 18:44 |
| gabrbedd | It's not open source (yet)... so it won't be on meego.com. (Though a wiki might link to appup somewhere...) | 18:45 |
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| gabrbedd | They said it wouls be OSS any day now.... :-) | 18:45 |
| phl0x81 | http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla | 18:45 |
| phl0x81 | is the link for the download. | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | err does anyone happen to have the contents of /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch for n900 handy | 18:46 |
| lcuk | :$ | 18:46 |
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| lbt | updated the wiki anyhow | 18:47 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: cool, thanks! | 18:56 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: So... are you back on your island, now? | 18:57 |
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| lbt | gabrbedd: I am | 19:00 |
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| lbt | jumped off all my cornices for this year :) | 19:01 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Good trip? :-) | 19:01 |
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| lbt | yeah, excellent - lots of snow | 19:01 |
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| lbt | also decided to do one of their steeps clinics - wow | 19:02 |
| gabrbedd | That's awesome! I've never been snow skiing. | 19:02 |
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| * lcuk packs up schoolbooks and goes to restaurant | 19:05 | |
| qgil | bergie: ping | 19:06 |
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| bergie | qgil: pong | 19:09 |
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| qgil | hi bergie I was wondering if the planet.meego.com tasks will be ready by the MeeGo 1.2 release, and if there is anything we can do to help - or know the status | 19:10 |
| bergie | qgil: it will be, though I'm not really happy with the layout we have | 19:10 |
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| bergie | the Apps stuff looks a lot nicer :-) | 19:11 |
| qgil | bergie: propose a better layout, then | 19:11 |
| qgil | bergie: I'm concerned aboutt he functionality, though - there hasn't been any (?) progress in months | 19:11 |
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| qgil | bergie: the majority of planet.meego.com bugs at http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update (see end f the page) are waiting for your input - can you de-block this, please? It's mif March already and we are far from completion | 19:14 |
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| bergie | qgil: I'll look at them tomorrow | 19:17 |
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| qgil | bergie: thanks! | 19:17 |
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| arvind_khadri | hi, I have a intel core 2 duo, how will I know if it has support for SSE3 ? | 19:54 |
| jonnor | the core obs API seems to be having problem, it is timing out all the time | 19:54 |
| auke | grep -qw ssse3 /proc/cpuinfo && echo yes || echo no | 19:54 |
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| auke | arvind_khadri: ^^ that | 19:55 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: do you mean SSE3 or SSSE3 ? | 19:56 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, crap, SSSE3 :( | 19:56 |
| arvind_khadri | auke, sorry :S | 19:56 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: follow auke's advice. | 19:57 |
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| auke | ssse3 | 19:57 |
| auke | not sse3 | 19:57 |
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| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, it says yes :) I was thinking I needed to have an Atom to run it... awesomeness, now I will install it :) | 19:58 |
| arvind_khadri | auke, thanks a lot :) | 19:58 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: if SSE3, that's not a reliable way to do it (for some reason). E.g. a Core (1) Duo has SSE3 support... but it doesn't show up in cpuinfo. | 19:58 |
| arvind_khadri | what does it stand for ? | 19:58 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: Ha! Well, if your Core2 doesn't have SSSE3... then you don't have a Core2. :-p | 19:58 |
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| arvind_khadri | lol :) | 19:58 |
| qgil | I could finally decide a topic for a MeeGo Conference proposal: Harmattan in the MeeGo Community http://bit.ly/eRN4jW | 19:58 |
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| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, what does it stand for? :) | 20:00 |
| arvind_khadri | googled it now :P sorry | 20:01 |
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| arvind_khadri | Does meego have firefox ?? | 20:08 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: Handset has Firefox Mobile (aka Fennec" | 20:09 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: Netbook has google chrome. I don't know if anyone's built FF for it. | 20:09 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, ohh, any other browser :) I don't want to accept an EULA :P | 20:10 |
| arvind_khadri | I am installing the netbook version | 20:10 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: then install the chromium version instead of google-chrome. | 20:11 |
| gabrbedd | leinir: How's it going with the WeTab? | 20:11 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, hmmm, if possible I would help with firefox porting :) | 20:12 |
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| leinir | gabrbedd: i bit the bullet and did a full system restore.. and now i have it up and running again :) | 20:12 |
| gabrbedd | leinir: Cool! Let me know if you need advice in re-b0rking your system. :-p | 20:13 |
| leinir | *giggles* Oh, i know how to bork it ;) | 20:13 |
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| moystard | hey guys | 20:18 |
| moystard | has anybody compiled a linux library for meego before? | 20:18 |
| moystard | I am quite new to the development on this OS and I would like to build Festival on MeeGo Netbook | 20:19 |
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| gabrbedd | moystard: compiled or packaged? compiling is the same as it ever was. | 20:20 |
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| moystard | but it has to be a cross compilatino right | 20:20 |
| moystard | I want to embed this library into an emulator. I would like to try to call it from some qt code | 20:21 |
| CosmoHill | you could like to cross compile some code instead of compiling it via an emulator? | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | eg x86 -> ARM instead of QEMU emulating ARM? | 20:23 |
| moystard | that is what I want to do | 20:23 |
| moystard | I want to cross compile the library from my linux distro for meego | 20:23 |
| moystard | and then embed it into the emulator | 20:24 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: Um, you said you wanted to build on MeeGo Netbook, right? What's the point of cross compiling x86/ARM? | 20:24 |
| moystard | what you suggest is that I build it directly from the emulator? | 20:24 |
| moystard | I thought it would be easier to cross compile it | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | actually it would be easier to use the emulator | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | if you're new to this kinda thing that is | 20:25 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: easier to use emulator. | 20:25 |
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| CosmoHill | if you create a package for meego you can use the OBS that will compile on ARM and x86 for you | 20:25 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: Also, cross-compiling usually refers to compiling for a different processor type. Sounds like you're just wanting to play with x86. | 20:26 |
| timeless_xchat | arvind_khadri: irc.mozilla.org #mobile iirc is the main place, but what would helping with "porting" be? there's already a team working on it, and it's more or less a first class citizen | 20:26 |
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| moystard | okay | 20:26 |
| moystard | it is the first day I use the meego sdk | 20:27 |
| moystard | I will figure out tomorrow how to build directly from the emulator using gcc | 20:27 |
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| arvind_khadri | timeless_xchat, saw that now :) | 20:27 |
| moystard | if you have a good link to point to | 20:27 |
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| moystard | if you have a good link pointing on how to do it | 20:28 |
| moystard | would be much appreciated | 20:28 |
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| gabrbedd | moystard: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1 | 20:29 |
| moystard | lol okay thanks | 20:29 |
| moystard | thanks for your help | 20:29 |
| moystard | have a good night/day guys | 20:30 |
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| gabrbedd | moystard: Good luck. Also, FWIW, when using the QEMU SDK... | 20:30 |
| gabrbedd | moystard: I've found that installing the extra libs is hard to do because of the networking setup. | 20:31 |
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| gabrbedd | moystard: Generally, if you're programming just to the MeeGo SDK you're in good shape... but if you need any other libs, there's no easy way to install them. | 20:31 |
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| mikhas | well, now with pvanhoof's latest mail we should request that this EDS decision is addressed in tomorrow's technical steering group meeting | 21:00 |
| mikhas | I want to know the *real* reasons behind it | 21:01 |
| mikhas | it wasn't performance | 21:01 |
| pvanhoof | cheers, thanks | 21:02 |
| pvanhoof | gtg now, squash :) | 21:02 |
| mikhas | and it couldnt have been features, as tracker has more to offer than EDS | 21:02 |
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| berndhs | there is a meeting tomorrow ? | 21:04 |
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| mikhas | isn't it every week? | 21:06 |
| qgil | mikhas: can it be maintainers? | 21:06 |
| mikhas | every wednesday, that's what the wiki (still) says | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | we have a TSG tomorrow? :P | 21:06 |
| qgil | mikhas: can it be core developers at hand? | 21:06 |
| berndhs | mikhas: never was every week | 21:07 |
| mikhas | qgil, there shouldnt be any need for speculations | 21:07 |
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| qgil | mikhas: the technical aspects can be discussed at large, but at the end you need the people developing and maintaining - and this looks (to me) like the main reasoning for the change | 21:08 |
| qgil | mikhas: agree with you on speculations | 21:08 |
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| mikhas | ok my mistake then, it says "every *other* wednesday" | 21:08 |
| qgil | mikhas: also, there haven't been TSG meetings since Valtteri resigned from Nokia, since the TSG is today Imad alone | 21:09 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: TSG ... what's that? | 21:09 |
| lbt | ;) | 21:09 |
| mikhas | http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings needs an update then | 21:09 |
| qgil | lbt: Technical Steering Group... but are you tesing us? | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | qgil: AFAIK there hasn't been a TSG meeting since Feb 11th | 21:09 |
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| lbt | qgil: would I ? .... | 21:09 |
| qgil | lbt: no, you wouldn't | 21:10 |
| berndhs | as far as I know, the TSG currently is Imad | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | Why? | 21:10 |
| mikhas | this needs to be fixed | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | valhalla resgined from Nokia. Not from the TSG. Who had the seat? | 21:10 |
| mikhas | want a bug report? =p | 21:10 |
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| timeless_w7ip | jaffa: i believe the seat was nokia's technically | 21:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | but practically speaking nokia isn't an equal partner at this time and shouldn't try claiming it | 21:11 |
| qgil | Jaffa: I believe TSG & WGs have seats for organizations occupied by individuals, not the other way around | 21:12 |
| Jaffa | qgil: Of course, this was documented on the governance page? ;-/ | 21:13 |
| qgil | Jaffa: actually I recall seeing this somewhere - but can't remember where | 21:13 |
| Jaffa | Ooh. Cool. | 21:13 |
| qgil | Jaffa: in any case, after feb11 the original rules (always based on Intel-Nokia parity) can be redrawn if (ultimately) Imad thinks so - that is where benevolent dictatorships can act faster | 21:15 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, the TSG lost (more) credibility following Feb 11th and making no "err, we're talking about stuff" announcement. Instead DawnFoster did a good job (as ever) informing through back-channels like IRC | 21:15 |
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| qgil | but who am I to say anything - I'll go back to productive MeeGo work :) | 21:15 |
| Jaffa | qgil: The use of the words "fast" and "TSG" were used ironically, right? ;-) | 21:16 |
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| lbt | *g* | 21:16 |
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| qgil | Jaffa: ditto re productive MeeGo work | 21:16 |
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| lbt | qgil: speaking of meetings.... how's the CO schedule? | 21:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | jaffa: i'm pretty sure the tsg was specified w/ seats for orgs not people | 21:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | and then the people were announced to fill the seats | 21:17 |
| qgil | lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings#Next_CO_meeting | 21:17 |
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| lbt | qgil: I kinda stalled on the Apps/Surrounds thing when 'it' happened | 21:18 |
| lbt | so would be good to pull that back on track | 21:18 |
| lbt | been working on it a fair bit this week | 21:18 |
| qgil | lbt: agreed - what needs to be done to have an Apps catalog up & running by the MeeGo 1.2 release' | 21:19 |
| qgil | ? | 21:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | hrm, http://meego.com/about/governance needs an update | 21:19 |
| lbt | qgil: good goal | 21:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | since it still lists valtteri's nokia address | 21:19 |
| qgil | lbt: first use case: user downloads a stable app from apps.meego.com and installs it successfully on his MeeGo 1.2 device | 21:20 |
| qgil | lbt: that the essential tasks needed to achieve this - all the rest is secondary now | 21:20 |
| lbt | qgil: I'll see if we can agree that as an objective with stefano tomorrow - then work with X-Fade and co on the OBS and process | 21:20 |
| qgil | lbt: great | 21:20 |
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| qgil | lbt: think that from all the tasks listed at http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update the Apps catalog is the only one bringing something really new that doesn't exist today | 21:22 |
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| timeless_w7ip | jbos, fwiw, http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/source/qt-creator/ | 21:55 |
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| timeless_w7ip | eventually it'll collect <qt>, but that's a pain, and there's still a process trying to collect <linux-mssf> | 21:56 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping | 22:02 |
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| ali1234 | why does my meego trunk install never get any updates? | 22:04 |
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| ljp | changed repos? | 22:07 |
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| ali1234 | no? | 22:07 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: By default, images point to the snapshot repo. Snapshots never change. So, unless you manually add a repo for trunk/latest (or whatever) then you won't get any updates. | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | i see. so, is there a wiki page about how to do that or something? | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | i kind of figured this was the case already. my question is more like "why is it this way" than "how do i fix it?" | 22:10 |
| ljp | unless the repo directory structure changes.. which it seems to do frequently enough | 22:10 |
| * timeless_w7ip nods | 22:11 | |
| timeless_w7ip | repo structure changes are annoying | 22:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | it makes automated tooling incredibly painful | 22:11 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: You can add the trunk/latest repo with zypper. Buyer Beware! Things break and it's no phun getting back to a stable setup. | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | yeah i just did that | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | it's so broken zypper wont even use the repository | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | Respository "oss" is invalid apparently | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | also there is http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | and /debug/ | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | where is /source/? | 22:17 |
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| ali1234 | oh wait nvm, it's /../source/ :) | 22:17 |
| gabrbedd | "Why is it this way" -- probably to keep Uber-users from b0rking their systems and filing confusing/stupid bug reports. | 22:17 |
| gabrbedd | Having to do things like this manually will weed out a few of the l33t's. :-) | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | it will weed out anyone who isn't getting paid to triage bugs also | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | because at the moment, every time some developer states "this is fixed in the new image" - i have to jump through a series of annoying hoops to prove them wrong | 22:18 |
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| ali1234 | but i suppose this is just yet another side-effect of categorising bugs by rather meaningless "components" instead of to actual packages | 22:20 |
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| pupnik | ali1234: meego is like good technology | 22:20 |
| gabrbedd | Looks like you figured it out -- so I guess you passed the test! :-p | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | i didn't figure it out though | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | i just figured out that it sucks | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea how to actually fix it | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | changing to the trunk repos doesn't work | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | unless they just happen to be horribly broken at this exact moment | 22:21 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: ...and that may be possible. I know I've set up trunk/latest before (and regretted it). | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | clearly changing to dailies and then doing a dist-upgrade is a bad idea :) | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | well, i give up | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | can't even show you my config because nobody bothered to package pastebinit | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | it's like you don't want people to test things... | 22:23 |
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| pupnik | anybody in germany like hifi | 22:24 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: who is "you" ? | 22:25 |
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| Aquarina | Hi there, Im still looking for a way to meke my n810 usable as a linux box | 22:26 |
| Aquarina | *make | 22:26 |
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| ali1234 | gabrbedd: people who are familiar with the software used in meego, but not the packaging system | 22:27 |
| Aquarina | is there a page explaining to a rather stupid noob how to put maemo on n810? | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | you mean meego right? n810 comes with maemo on it... | 22:28 |
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| ali1234 | gabrbedd: oh wait, "you" = whoever decided on the meego policy about updates :) | 22:29 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: Yeah, that makes more sense. :-) | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | the other is my definition of "people" ie me :) | 22:35 |
| lbt | Aquarina: MeeGo isn't going to run on your N810 | 22:36 |
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| Aquarina | no? | 22:37 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 22:37 |
| lbt | no | 22:37 |
| Aquarina | so... no hope? mer is dead right? | 22:37 |
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| lbt | correct | 22:38 |
| Aquarina | so... nothing to replace it? | 22:38 |
| Aquarina | maemo is dead too i suspect (?...) | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | yes | 22:39 |
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| mikhas | and nietzsche is also dead, last time I checked ... | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | http://videosift.com/video/Red-Dwarf-Theyre-All-Dead-Dave | 22:40 |
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| lbt | Aquarina: Easy Debian? | 22:40 |
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| Aquarina | lbt I'd love to have debian | 22:40 |
| Aquarina | on it | 22:40 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: FWIW, if you manually jump from snapshot to snapshot... by disabling the new repos and running `zypper dup` | 22:40 |
| Aquarina | specialy if then I coud setup a usable "window manager" | 22:41 |
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| Aquarina | ok, any page you know of explaining how to get debian on the device? | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | more of a #maemo topic :) | 22:46 |
| berndhs | maybe even a #debian topic | 22:46 |
| w00t_ | mikhas: ping | 22:47 |
| Aquarina | Stskeeps, hi | 22:47 |
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| w00t_ | can you pop into #meego-arm for a moment? you've some knowledge of meegotouch, so I'd like to use you as a punching ball .. I mean, get some advice from you if you've some time :) | 22:47 |
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| Aquarina | Stskeeps, you're right | 22:48 |
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| ali1234 | gabrbedd: i can't even zypper ref if i switch to a different repo than the one that came with the image... | 22:51 |
| phl0x81 | hm, strange boot from usb | 22:51 |
| phl0x81 | I get some commandpromt | 22:51 |
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| phl0x81 | on the ideapad | 22:52 |
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| mikhas | w00t_, pong | 22:53 |
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| phl0x81 | hm, bad or missing Command Interpreter erompaq.exe | 22:56 |
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| phl0x81 | what should I use, to get the .iso from meego on the usbstick? | 22:56 |
| phl0x81 | HP Tool seems not to be the right one. | 22:56 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: Is this the download.meego.com bug? | 22:58 |
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| ali1234 | gabrbedd: might be. it barfs some nonsense about <long hex string>-other.sqlite.bz2 | 22:58 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: can it be fixed with this: zypper clean --all && zypper refresh | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | ? | 22:59 |
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| gabrbedd | phl0x81: Should use dd. | 22:59 |
| gabrbedd | phl0x81: Oh wait... you're doing it from windows, right? | 22:59 |
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| phl0x81 | yeah | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | there is a tool called "windd" i assume it does what it says on the tin... but i never tried it | 23:00 |
| phl0x81 | c&p on the stick didn't work :/ | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | gabrbedd: yes, that seems to have fixed it :) | 23:00 |
| gabrbedd | phl0x81: Did you do this: http://tinyurl.com/4mcuv3a | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | gabrbedd: so will i be better off with /trunk-daily/ (which seems to have weekly snapshots) or /snapshots/ (which appears to have daily repos? and why are they apparently named backwards? | 23:02 |
| gabrbedd | ~curse zypper cache bug | 23:02 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, zypper cache bug ! | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | cf http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/ vs http://download.meego.com/snapshots/ | 23:02 |
| phl0x81 | ah, great, thx gabrbedd | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i am so confused :/ | 23:03 |
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| ali1234 | wait hang on | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | why is there different repos on repo.meego.com and download.meego.com? | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: that's before they're mirrored | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 23:06 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: Dunno. But I do know that we're not supposed to use DMC directly. | 23:06 |
| phl0x81 | hm, I have an iso, not an img | 23:07 |
| phl0x81 | there are several img files in the iso | 23:07 |
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| gabrbedd | phl0x81: It's the same. | 23:07 |
| phl0x81 | rename it in img? | 23:07 |
| gabrbedd | phl0x81: they will work as either a CD image or as a USB image. | 23:08 |
| gabrbedd | phl0x81: No need to rename. | 23:08 |
| gabrbedd | phl0x81: but if it makes you feel better... go for it. :-) | 23:08 |
| phl0x81 | well the tool wants an .img ;) | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | ok so this is my plan... look at the latest trunk build on RMC, and change my repo config to use the matching repo on DMC... then zypper dup | 23:09 |
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| gabrbedd | phl0x81: ok. :-) | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | gives >300MB of updates :O | 23:10 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: Yeah, that's pretty typical. | 23:10 |
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| ali1234 | every week? | 23:10 |
| arvind_khadri | Hi, I downloaded a image for netbook and dd'ed it into a pendrive. The pendrive makes my machine halt at boot. It makes the system not even respond to key presses, when am in bios | 23:10 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: I think so. The way OBS works... I think it triggers rebuilds even when a rebuild /technically/ is not required. | 23:11 |
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| ali1234 | i heard OBS is actually better in that respect than other systems | 23:11 |
| wathek | is it possible that the QGraphicsScene sends an event to a QGraphicsItem that's in a fixed position ? | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | because it actually checks that the binaries changed | 23:12 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, any idea :) ? | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | or maybe that was just a proposal and not a statement of fact :) | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | arvind_khadri: how did you get into the bios if the keyboard doesn't work? | 23:12 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: Maybe so... but I think when libfoo gets a new version... everything that depends on libfoo gets rebuilt. | 23:13 |
| thiago_home | "Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue" | 23:13 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: What's your hardware? | 23:13 |
| arvind_khadri | ali1234, if I remove the pen drive only then I can go into bios | 23:13 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, intel core 2 duo , | 23:13 |
| phl0x81 | works :) thx | 23:13 |
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| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, that is what is needed to run MeeGo right ? | 23:14 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: Um... I meant a little more detail.... | 23:14 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: 'cos you also need intel graphics... | 23:15 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: ...but it sounds like you have a buggy bios -- you don't even get to MeeGo. | 23:15 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, my machine has a inbuilt card. | 23:16 |
| arvind_khadri | Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller | 23:16 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: dual graphics? | 23:17 |
| * thiago_home loves the intel prefix code for PCI: 8086 | 23:17 | |
| arvind_khadri | no | 23:17 |
| phl0x81 | its not booting :/ | 23:17 |
| RST38h | USB too | 23:17 |
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| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, no, I guess, how do I confirm? | 23:19 |
| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: are you able to boot /anything/ off your USB drive? Sounds like your problem is there. Also, maybe try a different USB port. | 23:19 |
| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, yes I used the same pen drive to run my debian installation :) | 23:19 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: If you mount the pen drive in debian... what files do you see? | 23:20 |
| arvind_khadri | I will try a different port, and also I had not formatted the pen drive before "dd" | 23:20 |
| arvind_khadri | isoLinux folder and LiveOS folder | 23:20 |
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| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, ^^ | 23:21 |
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| gabrbedd | arvind_khadri: sounds right. | 23:23 |
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| arvind_khadri | gabrbedd, I think I should try a different port and stuff maybe. If that doesn't work then maybe the image is not written properly. Will be back in a while :) thanks | 23:24 |
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| timeless_w7ip | thiago: it could be 8080 ;-) | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | or worse, 4004 | 23:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | you win | 23:45 |
| * timeless_w7ip wonders what percentage of people recognize those | 23:45 | |
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| RST38h | [asking about 8275 or 8257 is probably useless anyway] | 23:49 |
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