| npm | i regularly see "curl error for ..." reading metadata | 00:01 |
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| npm | plus stuff about unexpected return codes (430?) | 00:03 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: no, this guy has long hair, I don't :P | 00:03 |
| lcuk | wazd_, where is the video? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | of not you | 00:03 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/designing-apps-mobile-devices | 00:04 |
| wazd_ | oh no | 00:04 |
| wazd_ | not mine :) | 00:04 |
| wazd_ | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/application-design-survival-guide-programmers | 00:04 |
| wazd_ | there it is | 00:04 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:05 |
| lcuk | wazd_, yeah, that guy (who is not you :P) was the one who was using the trampoline in the brewery | 00:05 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: aaah, yeah | 00:06 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: that was me :) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | that was one hell of an awesome night! | 00:06 |
| wazd_ | yeeeah | 00:06 |
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| npm | gabrbedd: does the zypper issue have to do with "zypper wp" being broken as well | 00:06 |
| wazd_ | still has video from it btw :D | 00:06 |
| gabrbedd | npm: how is `wp` broken? | 00:07 |
| npm | checking again... seems to miss stuff although now that i just tested ... it found it ok. | 00:07 |
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| npm | esp if you install from an external repo | 00:08 |
| lcuk | wazd_, I am watching the video | 00:09 |
| lcuk | but you are refering to your presentation often, I think other shave uploaded their slides and linked them on the conf site - do you have yours uploaded? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | s/shave/s have/ | 00:10 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: but you are refering to your presentation often, I think other s have uploaded their slides and linked them on the conf site - do you have yours uploaded? | 00:10 |
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| npm | for example if you install google chrome via http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003570.html ... then do 'zypper wp /usr/bin/google-chrome' and 'zypper wp /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome' -- neither work | 00:11 |
| npm | even though chrome does | 00:11 |
| npm | but underlying, "rpm -qf /usr/bin/google-chrome" works | 00:12 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: I guess no :( | 00:12 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: forgot bout it totally :( | 00:12 |
| lcuk | wazd_, do you still have the ppt for them? | 00:12 |
| npm | thus zypper seems unable to access RPM info | 00:13 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: yep, somewhere | 00:13 |
| gabrbedd | npm: `zypper wp google-chrome` is a known limitation of zypper. | 00:13 |
| npm | it is? is there a bug or specific thing that causes it? | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | OTOH, yum supports this. | 00:14 |
| npm | yes, yum works fine | 00:14 |
| npm | except it doesn't give me repo priorities like zypper | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | I found a bug report or ML post in upstream zypper where it was classified as WONTFIX | 00:14 |
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| npm | which is how i make the "meegolem hack" safe (unless you allow zypper to start deinstalling meego :-)) | 00:15 |
| gabrbedd | it works stable with .so files, though. | 00:15 |
| gabrbedd | FWIW, the information is in the cache... zypper just doesn't use it. | 00:15 |
| npm | sort of | 00:15 |
| npm | on the .so files | 00:15 |
| npm | i wonder if there's some customization to make it use the cache info | 00:16 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: I'd say that 80% of the time `zypper search` does what you need. | 00:23 |
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| shadeslayer | hi, mic-image-writer has been stuck for the last 5 minutes at 100 % | 01:30 |
| shadeslayer | any ideas? | 01:30 |
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| vgrade | shadeslayer, the write will use ram to buffer to the slow flash, give it time | 01:33 |
| shadeslayer | brr | 01:33 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: ok so i have some questions | 01:33 |
| shadeslayer | a) is a 2GB microsd card enough? | 01:33 |
| vgrade | shadeslayer, no I don't wear frocks :) | 01:33 |
| shadeslayer | b) i unmounted my microsd card via clockworkmod | 01:33 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: lol | 01:33 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: i was hoping to assist you guys in porting meego to the HTC Desire | 01:34 |
| shadeslayer | ( unmounted it after the disk was written 100 % but the time kept on going ) | 01:34 |
| vgrade | Desire, thats the Nexus One | 01:34 |
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| shadeslayer | pretty much yes | 01:35 |
| shadeslayer | nearly same hardware ... except the desire has no secondary mike and a optical trackball | 01:35 |
| shadeslayer | oh and more RAM | 01:35 |
| vgrade | I think termana had some sucess with that | 01:35 |
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| shadeslayer | well | 01:35 |
| vgrade | I've not done a build for sometime now | 01:35 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 01:36 |
| vgrade | things have moved on on the repos | 01:36 |
| vgrade | and meegotouch | 01:36 |
| shadeslayer | yeah .. i had to fix some repos manually | 01:36 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: http://pastebin.com/Y7mZqpuJ | 01:36 |
| shadeslayer | that's my desire.ks | 01:36 |
| vgrade | I'm working tegra2 and pandaboard but still have an eye on nexus | 01:36 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 01:37 |
| vgrade | lardman had a great idea this week on getting acelerated gfx going | 01:37 |
| shadeslayer | pandaboards are awesome | 01:37 |
| shadeslayer | oooh | 01:37 |
| shadeslayer | nice | 01:37 |
| lbt_ | hey vgrade | 01:37 |
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| vgrade | lbt_, hi | 01:38 |
| lbt | just attempting to make a joggler image | 01:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_krXOrg578 ;) | 01:38 |
| vgrade | lbt, you will probably have the same issues as shadeslayer, repos moving etc | 01:39 |
| lbt | I have a custom .ks | 01:39 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: yeah me too | 01:39 |
| vgrade | lbt, do you have the emgd latest stuff | 01:39 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/1664981 | 01:40 |
| shadeslayer | that's it? :D | 01:40 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, nice, you didn't reply to the ARM question | 01:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | what was that? | 01:41 |
| lbt | shadeslayer: just the important changes | 01:41 |
| vgrade | lbt, 1875, nice. not tried those yet | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: so should i add that stuff? | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: http://pastebin.com/Y7mZqpuJ | 01:41 |
| lbt | shadeslayer: dunno... it's writing to usb now | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | lol .. it's 5 AM here | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: okay | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | same here | 01:41 |
| vgrade | shadeslayer, no EMGD is for intel GMA500 gfx | 01:41 |
| lbt | I'll be astonished if it boots ;) | 01:41 |
| shadeslayer | vgrade: okay .. i'm a newbie here ;P | 01:42 |
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| shadeslayer | vgrade: i don't see anything about EMGD in the ks file | 01:43 |
| lbt | shadeslayer: emgd is only needed for Intel GPUs | 01:43 |
| lbt | the GMA500 specifically | 01:44 |
| vgrade | lbt, the problem will be if the 1875 requires a patch to the kernel | 01:44 |
| lbt | vgrade: OK | 01:44 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: can you tell me the exact line number? | 01:44 |
| vgrade | lbt, I think I saw a related IVI kernel commit around the time of the 1875 commit | 01:44 |
| shadeslayer | i've actually taken this ks from the wiki and changed the repos | 01:44 |
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| vgrade | got to go guys, bye , let me know how you get on | 01:45 |
| shadeslayer | cya | 01:45 |
| shadeslayer | thanks man | 01:45 |
| lbt | o/ vgrade | 01:45 |
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| shadeslayer | lbt: how long are you around? | 01:47 |
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| lbt | shadeslayer: not long I'm afraid | 01:47 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 01:47 |
| lbt | will be up in 10hrs | 01:47 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: quick question, does installing this have a risk of bricking my phone? | 01:48 |
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| lbt | N900 ? | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer | Desire | 01:48 |
| lbt | ! | 01:48 |
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| lbt | I couldn't say | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer | ? | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer | lbt: so that ks is for a N900? | 01:48 |
| lbt | I wasn't aware of a Desire port | 01:48 |
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| shadeslayer | well http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 01:49 |
| shadeslayer | i've finished compiling the kernel | 01:49 |
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| shadeslayer | also have a RAW file | 01:49 |
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| lbt | I couldn't comment on the bricking over what's said on the wiki | 01:49 |
| lbt | it's more to do with how recoverable the phone is | 01:50 |
| lbt | than meego | 01:50 |
| lbt | mmm .... sounds like it boots from SD | 01:50 |
| shadeslayer | as long as recovery is fine, i can fix it | 01:50 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 01:50 |
| lbt | so that's usually pretty safe | 01:50 |
| shadeslayer | that's what i'm thinking as well | 01:51 |
| * shadeslayer is waiting for mic to finish writing | 01:51 | |
| lbt | "Don't except something working perfectly, for me it just start the UI and nothing more, no touchscreen, no status icons... " | 01:51 |
| lbt | wooo ..... sync finished ! | 01:51 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 01:51 |
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| wazd_ | hmm, either meego don't have context menu, or my right-click is broken :) | 01:56 |
| thiago_home | ideapad right-click is broken | 01:57 |
| wazd_ | thiago_home: that was predictable :) | 01:57 |
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| thiago_home | in fact, clicking is broken on the ideapad touchpad | 01:58 |
| thiago_home | tapping works | 01:58 |
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| wazd_ | thiago_home: oh... Is that a hardware problem? | 02:03 |
| thiago_home | yes | 02:03 |
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| thiago_home | the synaptics driver doesn't read it, for whatever reason | 02:03 |
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| npm | i can right click on touchpad | 02:14 |
| thiago_home | I can only if I have an external USB mouse attached | 02:15 |
| thiago_home | not on the touchpad | 02:15 |
| npm | mine works on internal | 02:15 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, I believe the 1.1 update 4 cured that | 02:15 |
| npm | however, sometimes it fails... may or may not have to do with this: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14186 | 02:15 |
| lcuk | at least it seemed to recently | 02:15 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14186 nor, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, kseriod spins and high "PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad interrupt" --> fan spins while idling | 02:15 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: yes | 03:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: we have had ARM builds on WinCE since 2004, and on Nokia 770/N800/N810/N900 since 2007. | 03:37 |
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| cBuckle | and un-officially on SmartQ V7 ;) | 03:38 |
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| * npm adds kelp pills to shopping list ... | 03:53 | |
| npm | when can we rename it "MeGlow" | 03:54 |
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| lcuk | is there anything nice in the new daily testing image that people have noticed? or has nobody looked on n900 image yet? | 04:01 |
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| lcuk | :O | 04:15 |
| lcuk | Manchester UK MeeGo meet-up? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2859 | 04:15 |
| * lcuk did not see the thread earlier | 04:15 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | lbt_away: is there a way i can force the compiler to compile a package without all the funky cflags that OBS adds? | 07:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt_away: and just use the cflags that configure provides? | 07:38 |
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| shadeslayer | so i have a cursor like thing on my screen ... 'x' | 07:43 |
| shadeslayer | the one which is usually used to kill stuff ... | 07:43 |
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| TSCHAKeee | that's the default cursor, bub | 07:49 |
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| shadeslayer | TSCHAKeee: any ideas how to see the log messages? | 07:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | ctrl-alt-F1 | 07:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | log in, root/meego | 07:50 |
| shadeslayer | lolz | 07:50 |
| shadeslayer | TSCHAKeee: this is a desire | 07:50 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 07:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | once you're logged in, you can go to /var/log | 07:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | and read the log messages | 07:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | they're in /var/log | 07:51 |
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| shadeslayer | yeah i'm mounting the micro SD carda and checking them via the PC | 07:51 |
| shadeslayer | lets hope they are there | 07:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 07:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | you mean you're too fucking scared to ctrl-alt-F1 to a console? | 07:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | really? | 07:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 07:52 |
| shadeslayer | what | 07:53 |
| shadeslayer | TSCHAKeee: dude .. this is not a N900 :D | 07:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | can you not attach a keyboard? | 07:53 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 07:53 |
| shadeslayer | boot.log : http://paste.kde.org/7210 | 07:57 |
| pupnik | there are some interesting use-cases that are possible with a wristwatch graphical client for a smartphone | 07:58 |
| shadeslayer | huh | 07:58 |
| shadeslayer | loads of file descriptor errors | 07:58 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.kde.org/7211/ | 07:59 |
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| rigved | hi everyone...i'm interested in the meego project. but i do not have the ava dev phone nor do i have a VT enabled processor. is there any way that i can contribute to the OS dev? | 11:33 |
| pupaway | meego runs on netbooks and the n900 phone | 11:33 |
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| rigved | pupaway: ok. will try the netbook image then. | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | rigved: you can develop on atom and arm too | 11:34 |
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| rigved | Stskeeps: will i be able to use chroot for such, as i do not access to any dev platform that has arm or atom. i can test the image on my coll PCs but can't do dev there. | 11:37 |
| rigved | Stskeeps, pupaway: thanks for your help | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | rigved: ssse3 is basically needed for x86 side at least | 11:39 |
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| rigved | Stskeeps: ok. i checked the cpu flags. i have ssse3. thanks again for your help. now i'll try to get a basic dev env working | 11:48 |
| shadeslayer | bwahaha | 11:51 |
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| shadeslayer | this image is taking up too much time to write | 11:51 |
| shadeslayer | a 1000 secs gone by | 11:52 |
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| CosmoHill | brains.... | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | gone? | 12:05 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm defiantly only physically awake | 12:05 |
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| CosmoHill | never before has tea been so confusing to make | 12:06 |
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| CosmoHill | wow, since when has youtube supported 4K? | 12:07 |
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| thiago_home | 4k resolution? | 12:11 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 12:11 |
| CosmoHill | "In July 2010, YouTube began streaming certain videos at a resolution of up to 4096 x 2304 (in the 16:9 aspect ratio) to 4096 x 3072 (4:3).[1] Registered users at YouTube are allowed to upload videos with a resolution higher than 1080p." | 12:11 |
| thiago_home | streaming?! | 12:12 |
| thiago_home | what's the bandwidth required to watch one of those live? | 12:12 |
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| thiago_home | I have a friend who works for Cisco and he told me that their 4k prototypes have 4 HDMI cables to transport the info | 12:13 |
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| CosmoHill | Really? but single link HDMI supports 10.2Gb/s | 12:16 |
| thiago_home | maybe because they were connecting to 4 1080p screens... | 12:16 |
| CosmoHill | that makes a lot more sense then, I thought they were connecting one device | 12:17 |
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| jonnor | thiago_home: the data is a "bit" more compressed than over HDMI. But still pretty solid bandwith required, I can imagine | 12:17 |
| thiago_home | I thought HDMI transmitted uncompressed | 12:18 |
| thiago_home | 4096x3072 x 30 x 4 = 1440 MB/s | 12:19 |
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| shadeslayer | is there someway other than mic-image-writer i can write my RAW image file to? | 12:19 |
| shadeslayer | because the writer is stuck at 100 % | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | dd? | 12:20 |
| shadeslayer | Stskeeps: doesn't work for some reason on my HTC Desire | 12:20 |
| shadeslayer | ends up booting into Android | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | hardware adaptation is hard :P | 12:20 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 12:20 |
| shadeslayer | i spent last night reading about kickstart | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | and writing a kickstart file | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | i actually managed to get it running once | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | where i had a x cursor | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | but that's all that happenend | 12:21 |
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| shadeslayer | /bin/dd: writing `/dev/sdb': No space left on device | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 12:22 |
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| shadeslayer | which one of these do i NOT need? http://paste.kde.org/7221 | 12:23 |
| thiago_home | OpenVG | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | anything else i can use to slim down the image? | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | it's about 100 megs bigger | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | shadeslayer: -sample-media | 12:25 |
| shadeslayer | whut? | 12:25 |
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| shadeslayer | mesa-libGLESv1 | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | mesa-libGLESv2 | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | do i need both of them? | 12:26 |
| thiago_home | no | 12:26 |
| thiago_home | GLESv1 is also unnecessary | 12:26 |
| thiago_home | well, for Qt. I hear some games find it useful. | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | okay so remove both? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | shadeslayer: sample-media is about 150mb and not needed | 12:26 |
| thiago_home | no | 12:26 |
| thiago_home | you need GLESv2 | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | right | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | Stskeeps: i don't see sample-media in my ks | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | here's the entire file http://paste.kde.org/7222 | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | might be in a package group | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | so %packages --excludedocs --excludesample-media ? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | just add -sample-media | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | minus in front maeks it not include it | 12:29 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity: how many years do you expect your fridge to work, from when you buy it? | 12:31 |
| thiago_home | 5-7 | 12:32 |
| thiago_home | though my parents have just retired a fridge that was 15 years old | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | and how long does smartphone companies usually keep making updates to their phones? | 12:32 |
| thiago_home | 2 years, 3 at most | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:33 |
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| shadeslayer | hmm | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | it's still 1.9 GB | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | i need a bigger microsd card :/ | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | change your partition lines then | 12:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | on that note, my washing machine died recently, i need to deal w/ it :( | 12:39 |
| shadeslayer | i don't see any | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | shadeslayer: well that might by why then | 12:41 |
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| shadeslayer | the image is still pretty big | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_w7ip: ours only dies with a full load and water in it | 13:05 |
| timoph | you could make the partition smaller if there a lot of empty space | 13:05 |
| timoph | part / --size=1800 --ondisk mmcblk0p --fstype=btrfs | 13:05 |
| timoph | reduce the size param | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | could you strip out man pages / documents and debugging flags? | 13:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmohill: mine isn't turning on | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | hopefully it's just a fuse somewhere | 13:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's possible the plug came out or somethign similarly annoying | 13:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | or that i need to replace a fuse | 13:07 |
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| shadeslayer | timeless_w7ip: yeah i did that | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | lets see now | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | er | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | s/timeless_w7ip/timoph | 13:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah, i didn't think you had a bad washing machine :) | 13:18 |
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| timoph | :) | 13:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | but if you have a good one, could we trade? :) | 13:18 |
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| timoph | it should help since just removing packages won't make the partions any smaller.. | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | timoph: so that reduces the image to 1800 megs? | 13:19 |
| timoph | the partition sizes are set in the .ks | 13:19 |
| timoph | shadeslayer: 1800 is the default | 13:20 |
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| shadeslayer | okay | 13:20 |
| timoph | try something like 1600 | 13:20 |
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| timoph | if the image size is something like 1.7G after that, it worked :) | 13:22 |
| shadeslayer | timoph: since i have different hardware do you think i should copy the compiled kernel modules to the sd card? | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | or will the packages suffice | 13:23 |
| timoph | dunno | 13:23 |
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| shadeslayer | thanks | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | it's writing now | 13:41 |
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| wazd | Hello all | 13:57 |
| thiago_home | hey wazd | 13:58 |
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| wazd | I have one more netbook UI specific question. Is there a built-in method to draw a shadow under "popped" icon in meego toolbar or I should have separate icon for this? | 14:00 |
| wazd | thiago_home: o/ | 14:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | thiago: hey, do you know the story behind 'numerusforms'? | 14:24 |
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| valianholt | Good day! Is there any gps/map solution for MeeGo already please? | 15:26 |
| valianholt | Maybe open street map client? | 15:26 |
| valianholt | This is the main feature which will allow me to use MeeGo as regular everyday OS since 1.2 will be released | 15:26 |
| pcfe | valianholt: I am a happy user of mappero. | 15:28 |
| valianholt | me also with N900, so is it ported? :O | 15:28 |
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| pcfe | BUT, I only use it when on foot/public transport and I live in Helsinki, we get public transport rouiting here | 15:29 |
| pcfe | gah, my bad, reading would have helped, sorry | 15:29 |
| valianholt | sure, I don't own a car | 15:29 |
| valianholt | but I need foot navigation a lot | 15:29 |
| pcfe | I read maemo instead of the meego you wrote | 15:29 |
| valianholt | ah | 15:29 |
| valianholt | yes that's the point, with Maemo there is no problem | 15:29 |
| valianholt | is there any way how to view app repositories of MeeGo from web browser? | 15:30 |
| valianholt | like Maemo for example? | 15:30 |
| valianholt | file structure is enough | 15:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | valianholt? | 15:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org ? | 15:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | or mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com ? | 15:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | depending on what you mean by an app repository | 15:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | sounds like you mean maemo.org/downloads | 15:38 |
| * timeless_w7ip doesn't think an equivalent is particularly ready yet | 15:38 | |
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| valianholt | no equivalent of maemo downloads needed, just simple package file structure | 15:39 |
| valianholt | or ftp structure | 15:39 |
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| valianholt | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ | 15:41 |
| valianholt | this is what I wanted, thanks a lot! | 15:41 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it isn't guaranteed to be current, i think there's a slightly newer one in draft-repo.meego.com | 15:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm still working out some kinks | 15:42 |
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| wazd | open-sourced OS uses 1k euro font as the default, meheh | 16:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | ? | 16:05 |
| wazd | timeless_w7ip: http://www.fontshop.com/fontlist/super_families/ff_din/ | 16:06 |
| wazd | oh, I guess I'm slightly wrong. It's just a logo font | 16:07 |
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| esdf | anyone managed to run meego on n8 yet? | 16:10 |
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| timeless_w7ip | esdf: you have a signing key for the n8? | 16:14 |
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| timeless_w7ip | standard nokia phones will not let you flash something that isn't signed... | 16:14 |
| thiago_home | esdf: don't forget that it's an ARMv6 with proprietary OpenGL drivers | 16:14 |
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| wazd | Oh my, just had a major Google fail | 16:15 |
| * CosmoHill updates the FAQ | 16:15 | |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmohill++ | 16:15 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: how do you mean? wtf is signing key? | 16:15 |
| wazd | tried to google for "meego applications" and it said "Did you mean "maemo applications?" :D | 16:15 |
| CosmoHill | funny, I swear the iphone was on the FAQ | 16:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: ever heard of trusted computing? | 16:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | wazd: nice | 16:15 |
| CosmoHill | esdf: short, non-techy answer: no | 16:16 |
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| esdf | timeless_w7ip: you mean that microsoft bullshit? | 16:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: phones are not like the open computers with which you're familiar | 16:16 |
| thiago_home | esdf: no | 16:16 |
| thiago_home | esdf: have you ever flashed a phone with an image you created yourself? | 16:16 |
| esdf | nop | 16:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: it's a general industry concept | 16:16 |
| esdf | im quite new | 16:16 |
| esdf | to smartphones | 16:16 |
| esdf | and mobile tralala | 16:16 |
| esdf | :D | 16:16 |
| thiago_home | esdf: simple answer: you can't | 16:16 |
| timeless_w7ip | the fact that microsoft is involved is because microsoft is in the industry | 16:16 |
| esdf | :( | 16:17 |
| esdf | sad | 16:17 |
| CosmoHill | Nokia N8 is pre-MS | 16:17 |
| thiago_home | the HW doesn't let you run any software you may want | 16:17 |
| esdf | owell at least complete ui rewrite for symbian 3 is coming in pr2.0 | 16:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | you're sad that you can't do something that no one promised you'd be able to do? | 16:17 |
| esdf | i hope it's the qt rewrite | 16:17 |
| esdf | that was announced | 16:17 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: i'm sad just because i hoped for some mangling with my device, and now i found out i can't | 16:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | well, um | 16:18 |
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| timeless_w7ip | next time you should do your research *before* you buy | 16:18 |
| esdf | well it's really same shit for every phone more or less | 16:18 |
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| esdf | i wanted to buy n900 | 16:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | why didn't you? | 16:18 |
| esdf | but wasn't anywhere in stores, so i went with n8 | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | this seem alright: | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | == Phones MeeGo will not run on == | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | * Nokia N8, requires signed images from Nokia | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | * Apple iPhone, closed platform | 16:18 |
| esdf | i'm in croatia, it's 2 yrs old, it's nowhere to be found here:/ | 16:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | ebay/... | 16:19 |
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| esdf | tho, i kinda wish i waited just a tiny bit longer to get e7 | 16:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | a group here bought out the last supply of n900s from the local store | 16:19 |
| wazd | CosmoHill: well, they somehow managed to run android on the iphone :P | 16:19 |
| esdf | since it seems completely kickass | 16:19 |
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| timeless_w7ip | wazd: using a root exploit you can do all sorts of amusing things | 16:19 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: anyone givin out 1 for free? ;P | 16:20 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N900-UNLOCKED-GSM-5MP-32GB-WiFi-GPS-Bluetooth-/120697078540?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item1c1a1b430c | 16:20 |
| CosmoHill | wazd: not really open source if they charge you $30 per phone | 16:20 |
| wazd | unlocked! | 16:20 |
| wazd | oh my! | 16:20 |
| esdf | anyway, dont get me wrong, i'm quite happy with n8 and i dont regret it buying it over some android or iphone | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | looks like you could pick one up for 300usd +s/h | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N900-UNLOCKED-GSM-5MP-32GB-WiFi-GPS-Bluetooth-/150576196130?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item230f0a6a22 | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | which reminds me | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | oh god it's spam | 16:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | i need to upload my n8 photos | 16:21 |
| dm8tbr | with the whole nokia meego device circus I'm seriously considering to just go for a E7 as my business device and ignore the crap. (and keep the n900 as my private device) | 16:21 |
| * timeless_w7ip has about a hundred of them | 16:21 | |
| CosmoHill | I tried to leave the iphone android website and it goes "wait, I'll let you have it for $19!" | 16:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | dm8tbr: fwiw, i had the option of expensing an e7 or n8 to nokia | 16:21 |
| dm8tbr | I'm running meego on my Archos tablets that has to be enough | 16:21 |
| esdf | E7 is nice yeah | 16:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'd tried the e7 and found the keyboard edges painful | 16:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | so i chose the n8 | 16:21 |
| esdf | what are the advantages over n8 tho? (aside from physical qwerty)? | 16:21 |
| dm8tbr | timeless_w7ip: I'm trying to get one to try exactly that out | 16:21 |
| wazd | dm8tbr: screen | 16:22 |
| esdf | i'm surprised with how long n8's battery runs | 16:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: yeah | 16:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | the n8's battery life is impressive | 16:22 |
| esdf | i mean... i listen to music 2 days in a row, 4-6hrs a day | 16:22 |
| esdf | and it didnt die on me | 16:22 |
| esdf | + i had still in it 1 day of calls left | 16:22 |
| wazd | long battery lie is so 2005 | 16:22 |
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| wazd | life* | 16:22 |
| esdf | i was like omg this phone is $$$$ | 16:22 |
| CosmoHill | yes, 4 dollars! | 16:22 |
| esdf | ye | 16:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | wazd: try 2000 | 16:22 |
| esdf | :D | 16:23 |
| esdf | im reading bout android phones, battery life 1d | 16:23 |
| esdf | iOS - less then | 16:23 |
| wazd | timeless_w7ip: maybe :) | 16:23 |
| thiago_home | gone are the days when battery life was part of the advertisement | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | which reminds me | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't MeeGo murder batteries? | 16:23 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: depends on the HW | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | time to swap my n900's battery | 16:23 |
| esdf | btw | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | I'll take that as a yes | 16:23 |
| esdf | any site with qt apps for n8? | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | ovi store? | 16:23 |
| lcuk | esdf, ovi | 16:24 |
| esdf | ovi store is a clusterfuck | 16:24 |
| esdf | searching for something there | 16:24 |
| esdf | is impossible | 16:24 |
| esdf | like using bing search :D | 16:24 |
| esdf | i enter "voyager" in ovi store, 0 results | 16:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | just grab 'putty' | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | bing search is alright and could you mind your language | 16:24 |
| lcuk | well many of my friends seem to have no trouble nowadays gettign stuff from ovi | 16:24 |
| esdf | then i enter "voyage" and voyager home screen turns out 20th | 16:24 |
| esdf | it's just a bad search engine | 16:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: can they get SkyFire? | 16:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | i tried, and failed | 16:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | i also tried a couple of other things | 16:25 |
| esdf | to the point of trying to use ovi store as lass as possible | 16:25 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, idk | 16:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | ovi store has issues | 16:25 |
| esdf | less* | 16:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: "little" | 16:25 |
| esdf | ah ok thanks | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | yeah it does, but that does not mean it is useless | 16:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | true, it's merely unusable :) | 16:25 |
| esdf | lcuk: for me it's close to useless | 16:25 |
| esdf | i mean, i dont feel like scrolling endless screens to find app i might like just because keywords entered in search dont give any results for some reason | 16:26 |
| matrixx_ | I've liked ovi store mobile ui, but don't like to browse it with a real browser, cause that has huge issues | 16:26 |
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| esdf | oh nice new ovi version, maybe that fixes some issues | 16:27 |
| matrixx | but at least the experience with n8 is ok | 16:27 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: btw there's putty in ovi store? :S | 16:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: it isn't | 16:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | you go elsewhere for it | 16:28 |
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| timeless_w7ip | google :) | 16:28 |
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| esdf | nah i thought there's some putty version in ovi | 16:28 |
| esdf | I do have putty already on my phone | 16:28 |
| CosmoHill | putty is windows only | 16:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmo: err, no | 16:28 |
| CosmoHill | really? | 16:28 |
| esdf | just the problem is, that it's really slow on response | 16:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | putty is actually rather portable | 16:28 |
| matrixx | I have touch putty in my n8 | 16:28 |
| esdf | does it respond to your input fast? | 16:28 |
| matrixx | so, not win only | 16:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/PuTTY-347.shtml | 16:29 |
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| esdf | i need to wait like... 30s for it to respond | 16:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | that's putty for linux :) | 16:29 |
| esdf | when i ssh into my box, reattach irssi for example | 16:29 |
| matrixx | fast enough, but I dislike my vkb | 16:29 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: putty for linux? funny | 16:29 |
| esdf | matrixx: got soem link to where you got it from | 16:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: it works to prove a point | 16:29 |
| matrixx | esdf: wait a sec | 16:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | people don't believe symbian is a real os | 16:29 |
| esdf | isnt symbian based on linux? | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | son of a bitch, I indirectly know that guy | 16:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmo: which guy? | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | the one who wrote putty | 16:30 |
| matrixx | omg, my system almost died when I typed "touch putty" to firefox search field :D | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | the tech's daughter went to university with him | 16:30 |
| dm8tbr | esdf: I used to have a problem with putty on series80 | 16:31 |
| dm8tbr | esdf: it would take ages to connect | 16:31 |
| wazd | which reminds me | 16:31 |
| wazd | http://s52.radikal.ru/i136/1103/e8/e356a9838393.png <- what do you think? | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | wazd: error 503 | 16:31 |
| esdf | dm8tbr: well like i said, it does ssh into my box quite fast, but when i issue a command, for instance screen -dr xyz | 16:31 |
| esdf | it takes ages for putty to respond | 16:31 |
| dm8tbr | that's rather weird | 16:31 |
| dm8tbr | wazd: cute, too bad that netbook's going away ;) | 16:32 |
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| matrixx | esdf: apparently I need to reboot my system :( you can find the putty by searching "touch putty", if I recall correctly, it was made by some finnish guy :) | 16:32 |
| lcuk | wazd, which day on the chart is "today" | 16:32 |
| esdf | matrixx: hmm let me check who made mine | 16:32 |
| lcuk | and is it possible to have the top weather icon actually show the weath for it? | 16:32 |
| esdf | btw someone should port sony vegas to symbian3 :DD it'd be a shame for n8 to not have it considering it's hardware haha :D | 16:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf =~ s/it's/its/ | 16:33 |
| esdf | ? | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: you mean like how the mac calendar icon displays todays date? | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | esdf: he's correcting your grammar | 16:33 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: ah yeah | 16:33 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, IDK | 16:33 |
| lcuk | but if you want to get me a mac, I would see for you | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I am used to a calendar showing me well, the calendar | 16:34 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: i mean the dock icon | 16:35 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, Iknow it has a dock, but never looked at its contents | 16:35 |
| wazd | dm8tbr: orly? :) | 16:36 |
| wazd | lcuk: none, that's just a viual test. icons are just placeholders too :) | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | wazd, roger | 16:37 |
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| matrixx | esdf: I downloaded putty from here: http://bd.kicks-ass.net/koodaus/putty/ | 16:41 |
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| esdf | think i have the same thing, but thanks, ill give it a try | 16:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | esdf: oh, you want to grab about half a dozen google apps | 16:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | you can get them from m.google.com | 16:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | but skip latitude, it's a dated dupe of maps | 16:43 |
| esdf | timeless_w7ip: only one i grabbed from there is youtube | 16:43 |
| esdf | don't know if i should get google maps since ovi maps seem great | 16:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | grab at least maps | 16:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | if you use gmail, grab it | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't google maps require you to have internet access? | 16:44 |
| esdf | hmm, i do have mobile documents for gmail and other stuff | 16:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | also you probably want mIRGGI, Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, Skype | 16:45 |
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| timeless_w7ip | cosmo: generally, yeah | 16:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | but its map info isn't going to tell you that detroit is in canada | 16:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | nor will it teleport you from the south pole to the north pole if you look at it funny | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | you've not seen my phone at it | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | have you* | 16:46 |
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| * lcuk waits patiently for stepping disk technology | 16:46 | |
| CosmoHill | timeless_w7ip: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/phone-2.jpg | 16:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | ... | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: btw, the black tape on the right is not bright red tape cos it came off | 16:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | phone abuser | 16:47 |
| * timeless_w7ip reports cosmohill | 16:47 | |
| CosmoHill | select keys are over rated | 16:47 |
| berndhs | the phone has already reported Cosmo | 16:47 |
| * timeless_w7ip sighs | 16:48 | |
| CosmoHill | it's my everyday phone btw | 16:48 |
| * timeless_w7ip should really send these pictures to an album service | 16:48 | |
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| * timeless_w7ip tries to remember how to trash an app on S^3 | 16:49 | |
| CosmoHill | have you tired opening it | 16:49 |
| lcuk | timeless_w7ip, this was a sign up at the telecommunications weekend I went to yesterday, it was in the BT Busby area, have a squint at some of the answers: http://liqbase.net/20110312_027.jpg | 16:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | nice | 16:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | S^3 gets points for the worst ui for uninstalling apps that i can remember | 16:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | it even makes M5 seem good | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: that yellow one on the left looks like my hand writing | 16:53 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: also, is that a penis on the far right? | 16:53 |
| lcuk | haha | 16:54 |
| lcuk | hold on, I might have a better shot of that | 16:55 |
| lcuk | I took a few photos | 16:55 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, no it appears to be a childs drawing of a person | 16:55 |
| lcuk | sideways | 16:56 |
| lcuk | you are seeing the feet | 16:56 |
| * timeless_w7ip tries to remember the password for gallery | 16:56 | |
| * lcuk giggles tho | 16:56 | |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110312_031.jpg "Less personal. Whats wrong with talking to someone or writing a letter?" | 16:58 |
| lcuk | or the COD black ops reference, you choose | 16:58 |
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| CosmoHill | "it's not that I don't like you, it's just my spam box thinks you're a dick" | 17:06 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: http://timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8/ | 17:17 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's missing some gems | 17:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | especially the messages when you try to exit offline mode w/o a sim inserted | 17:18 |
| RST38h | so what is wrong with it? | 17:19 |
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| RST38h | [asking because I will have to deal with E7 pretty soon, so need toknow what to expect] | 17:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | rst: which? | 17:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | the one that says "please insert sim" | 17:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | or the one that says "please insert sim and reboot" | 17:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | rst: browse through the gallery | 17:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, do note that the strings are different for en-gb and en-us | 17:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | the first 2 days are en-gb the third day is en-us | 17:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | (thanks thiago) | 17:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | and when i say different, i mean randomly different | 17:21 |
| RST38h | Don'tcare about localization | 17:21 |
| RST38h | The screenshots look innocuous though | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | how do you insert the sim without rebooting? | 17:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | cosmohill: um, inserting a sim w/o rebooting is trivial if your sim slot isn't behind the battery :) | 17:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's the using part that's more exciting | 17:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | and that depends on hardware and software | 17:22 |
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| lbt | goddam forums | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | heh which thread lbt | 17:53 |
| lbt | nah.... just "forums" .... | 17:54 |
| lcuk | Would it add to the conversation here if when a new forum thread were posted it got mentioned here by meegobot? | 17:54 |
| * lbt tries to recaill the last time he got "access denied" to his local email | 17:54 | |
| lcuk | nice | 17:54 |
| lcuk | I noticed a bug # with that problem again recently | 17:55 |
| lbt | I hate forums so very very much | 17:55 |
| lbt | so very much | 17:55 |
| lcuk | meh, they are just like irc but with bigger textboxes | 17:55 |
| lbt | they are a great way to lose information and get old info | 17:56 |
| lcuk | I think they should be viewed based on comment ratings | 17:57 |
| lcuk | slashdot does it - it lets you filter the signal/noise nicely and condense a lively conversation in the threads into what is deemed important information | 17:57 |
| lcuk | just viewing a thread and only showing those highly thanked posts would be a good start | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OBS uses a cache when using remote links, right? | 18:00 |
| lbt | it uses caches generally | 18:01 |
| lbt | they cover remote links | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'm doing a fun little on howto "build downwards" from let's say a armv7l down to a armv5tel, or ssse3 to non-ssse3.. | 18:02 |
| lbt | sounds useful | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | i found out how to succesfully and cleanly build a hardfp armv6 earlier, so | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | with correct ELF headers and all | 18:03 |
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| lbt | xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | joggler? | 18:06 |
| lbt | yeah | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | use xorg-x11-server-setuid | 18:06 |
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| lbt | I am .... but -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1926672 2011-03-03 04:48 /usr/bin/Xorg | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | -f raw or -f fs/ | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ? | 18:13 |
| lbt | heh .... it reports the kernel command line in the log... but not it's own | 18:14 |
| lbt | and of course it goes <defunct> before top catches it | 18:14 |
| lbt | uxlaunch log says : starting X server with: "/usr/bin/Xorg :0 -dpi 120 -nolisten tcp -noreset -auth /home/meego/.Xauthority vt2" | 18:15 |
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| lbt | and /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch doesn't help .... | 18:17 |
| lbt | yup... hardcoded into the binary.... | 18:18 |
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| lbt | vgrade: ping | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | oh crap, if we beat man city we then have to play man u | 19:01 |
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| valianholt | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ | 19:09 |
| valianholt | how do I know if the package is for netbook / handset / etc.? | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | valianholt: package groups | 19:10 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: having drmOpenByBusid issues : http://pastie.org/1667266 is this a kernel/driver drm mismatch ? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | that's normal, ignore it | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 19:17 |
| lbt | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't spent too much time on my joggler recently | 19:17 |
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| vgrade | lbt, checking the pastie now | 22:05 |
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| lbt | vgrade: had a very depressing day beating my head against emgd .... | 22:06 |
| vgrade | lbt, do you have an xorg.conf | 22:07 |
| vgrade | lbt, the pastie had EDID on | 22:08 |
| lbt | booting up now | 22:08 |
| vgrade | I don't think Joggler does EDID | 22:08 |
| vgrade | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/joggler/image-support-files/ | 22:09 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 22:09 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/1667831 | 22:12 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/1667840 | 22:15 |
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| vgrade | lbt, looks like thats one of the files which comes with the emgd package | 22:19 |
| vgrade | lbt, give the one above a go | 22:19 |
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| lbt | I did ... 2nd pastie is using your xorg.conf | 22:19 |
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| vgrade | sorry, just had my toffee pud | 22:20 |
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| lbt | :) | 22:21 |
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| lbt | hot bananas soon | 22:21 |
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| vgrade | lbt, ok looks more like one of mine now | 22:23 |
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| lbt | http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#Ikeepgettingthemessage.3A.22AddScreen.2BAC8-ScreenInitfailedfordriver0.22 | 22:24 |
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| vgrade | sec while I clear the desk for the joggler, http://tinyurl.com/5tzgmjv | 22:32 |
| lbt | :) | 22:33 |
| vgrade | lbt, probably going to be a kernel/userspace mismatch | 22:34 |
| lbt | I was guessing so - didn't get round to the kernel confi | 22:34 |
| lbt | g | 22:34 |
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| vgrade | lbt, I think we need these patches in the Joggler adaptation kernel | 22:38 |
| vgrade | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-March/017686.html | 22:39 |
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| lbt | well found | 22:40 |
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| vgrade | I knew there were associated kernel bits for the newer EMGD userspace, its on my list to update the apaptation kernel | 22:41 |
| vgrade | as a workaround you could always use the emgd from my repo which matches the kernel | 22:42 |
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| vgrade | lbt, ok joggler up now, comparing with your log | 22:45 |
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| vgrade | lbt, 374.641] drmOpenDevice: open result is 11, (OK), my log shows open result is 12 | 22:59 |
| vgrade | lbt, looks like there is a mismatch between the enums | 23:00 |
| vgrade | lbt, I'll ping when I upgrade the adaptation kernel | 23:00 |
| lbt | ta | 23:01 |
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