IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-03-12

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javispedroI've so far submitted this:00:14
javispedrohttp://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=GSoC_2011/Proposal00:14
javispedrodoing small changes around00:14
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javispedroI'd need a native to fix grammar :)00:14
andre__javispedro, looks good. may I edit a few things?00:15
berndhsjavispedro: what makes you think natives know proper grammar ?00:15
javispedroandre__: don't mind! :D00:15
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javispedrobtw, formally, the "MeeGo Community" is the one joining (I don't think it really makes sense for "MeeGo" itself to join, in the same way it was maemo.org instead of Maemo)00:20
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andre__javispedro, okay, done with editing00:21
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javispedrothanks!00:21
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javispedrowill post to ML and see if someone edits something in the next half hour...00:22
andre__javispedro, thanks for handling this part :)00:22
javispedrothank you for volunteering as backup =)00:23
javispedro(was really thinking it was not going to happen until few hours ago...)00:23
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GAN900Deadline is 3PM PST?00:29
thiago_home30 minutes00:29
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thiago_home23:00 UTC00:29
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GAN900Weird time.00:31
thiago_homeit's unambiguous00:32
thiago_homeif you say 0:00 UTC, some people are off by 24 hours00:32
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javispedroyeah, 30 minutes.00:34
* javispedro is lucky enough to be in a TZ near UTC.00:34
javispedrohey, I'm in academia. I'm used to long nights before paper deadlines.00:35
javispedrowell, actually, I'm used to hearing such stories :P00:35
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GAN90023:5900:45
GAN900Hehe00:45
GAN900I only work well when procrastinating.00:45
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phl0x81btw. MeeGo Touch or QML for UIs in MeeGo?00:50
gabrbeddphl0x81: QML or Qt's QTouchEvent00:50
gabrbedd...or QGesture00:50
phl0x81QTouchEvent isn't UI. I'm talking about Buttons and stuff. MeeGoTouch as a lib exists.00:51
phl0x81and the SDK uses it...00:51
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gabrbeddDon't use MeeGo Touch.00:53
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gabrbeddUse regular Qt or QtQuick00:53
phl0x81why?00:53
phl0x81is it abandomed?00:53
gabrbeddWhy would you use it?00:53
gabrbeddWhat features does it have that are not in Qt?00:54
phl0x81if I install the SDK its the default?00:54
gabrbeddI don't know.  I use a chroot.00:54
phl0x81what? I'm on windows.00:55
gabrbeddOK, I'm not on windows.  And even on linux I don't use that version of the SDK.  So I can't answer your question.00:56
javispedro4 minutes left!  :P00:56
phl0x81as a dev ofcourse I'd like to stick with qt/qml, just asking myself if MeeGoTouch has a future and why its the recommanded/default UI on the SDK/IDE.00:57
thiago_homeit's not the recommended nor default00:57
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gabrbeddphl0x81: If it is, it's either a mistake or a carryover from earlier plans.  Don't use it unless you have a really, really good reason.01:00
phl0x81I see. thats all I wanted to know.01:01
phl0x81I'm planning to write a little how-to-dev-for-meego as a kickoff for my local german meego network, thats why I'm asking.01:02
phl0x81is there a wiki site for starting to build apps for MeeGo? I only know the how-to-get-the-SDK-run Site, which is nice, but not helping on that topic.01:03
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phl0x81btw. http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows# here its chosen, might wanna fix that.01:04
phl0x81thats probably also the reason why I thought its (still) Standard to go with MeeGoTouch lib.01:04
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TSCHAKeeeokay,01:15
* javispedro is happy to see ideas flowing in: http://wiki.meego.com/GSoC_2011/Ideas01:15
TSCHAKeeein LinuxMCE, we use a device that consumes messages from hald01:15
TSCHAKeeeto detect devices jumping on and off a computer in the system01:16
TSCHAKeeei know there is udisks to provide a dbus interface to storage devices on the system01:16
TSCHAKeeewhat should i be talking to for everything else?01:16
javispedroudev01:16
javispedrodirectly01:16
TSCHAKeee*facepalm*01:17
TSCHAKeeeok01:17
TSCHAKeeenot even DeviceKit?01:17
javispedrodevicekit no longer exists :)01:17
TSCHAKeeethat fucking figures01:17
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javispedroit's all merged into udev now01:17
TSCHAKeeei love the arbitrary decision making that happens in the open source world01:17
TSCHAKeeemixed with the endless bickering01:17
javispedrowell, this is bad for the bsds, but the main difference between udev and hald is that hald uses xml, while udev uses something more "custom", but that's about it.01:18
TSCHAKeeeok01:18
javispedroboth do virtually the same function, so it made some sense to kill one of them..01:18
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TSCHAKeeejavispedro: the big reason i am looking at this, is that LinuxMCE does device replication01:19
javispedronote ofc that if you need more information about the plugged in devices (instead of generic notifications), you might want to check with the specific apps01:19
javispedrofor ex, pulseaudio for audio device insertion notification, etc.01:20
TSCHAKeeejavispedro: if I plug in a storage device on a PC in a LinuxMCE house, our system creates plumbing to it to every other device in the house01:20
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TSCHAKeeei am extending this to portable devices, so that i can plug any device into say a tablet, and have it show up everywhere else.01:21
javispedrooh.01:21
TSCHAKeeeyeah, crazy shit01:21
TSCHAKeee;01:21
TSCHAKeee;)01:21
javispedroI feel like if insertion notification was the easiest part of that ,)01:21
javispedro;)01:21
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TSCHAKeeejavispedro: if you want to see what i'm working on: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=217602560290510982901:22
wazdhmmm01:23
wazdI can't register for the SF conference as a speaker :(01:23
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wazdjavispedro: o/01:23
javispedrohey wazd ! :D01:23
javispedroTSCHAKeee: can't see it full atm (leaving in few minutes), but sounds crazy indeed :)01:24
TSCHAKeeejavispedro: it's a massive smart home platform, the first of its kind.01:25
TSCHAKeee(I would argue the ONLY one of its kind, but..)01:25
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javispedroif I ever hang the Lenovo on a wall, I'll install that =)01:26
TSCHAKeee;)01:26
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kshotsI need to attempt to run xinput_calibrator on my system to work my touchscreen... I've switched to a console (ALT+F1) and logged in as 'meego', then did 'DISPLAY=":0" xinput_calibrator', but I get a "display not found" error01:57
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kshotsmore specifically, I get an "unable to connect to X server" message (oops, display wasn't mentioned)01:59
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kshotsIs there a keystroke I can utilize that can open a terminal _within_ X?02:00
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jonnorkshots: if you're on netbook, alt+f2 type "terminal" press return02:05
kshotsjonnor: This is meego ivi02:07
kshotsjonnor: alt+f2 simply brings up the 2nd desktop under matchbox02:07
jonnorthen I do not know. Setting the  DISPLAY envvar and running applications generally work though02:09
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kshotsok... I hooked a USB mouse up and ran xterm straight from matchbox... that worked02:35
kshotsRunning xinput_calibrator from within xterm? "Unable to connect to X server"02:35
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lcukquestion - is there such a thing as a cbd for laptop size devices?04:11
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woodyjlwis meego just the newest version of maemo?08:08
Stskeepsno, meego(.com) is a continuation of moblin but rearchitectured and with more maemo pieces08:08
TSCHAKeeehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_krXOrg578 <-- LinuxMCE Orbiter on MeeGo, now running our Photo Screen Saver08:09
StskeepsTSCHAKeee: is there any url for linuxmce architecture?08:11
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TSCHAKeeeStskeeps: yes, this is what we have: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Developers_Guide08:14
Stskeepsok, so centralized?08:15
TSCHAKeeeyes08:16
Stskeepswhere are you guys hiding your joggler kernels and .ks'es, btw?08:25
TSCHAKeeethe kernel? it's vgrade's kernel-adaptation-joggler, in his OBS repo08:27
Stskeepsk08:27
TSCHAKeeethe linuxmce stuff is all in my tschak909 project on OBS08:27
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TSCHAKeeeStskeeps: the KS? http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/MeeGo/ ;)08:29
Stskeepsk08:31
Stskeepsi'm collecting options what to do today while my wife is away on a course so08:31
pupnikwhat looks interesting?08:32
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TSCHAKeeethe LinuxMCE stuff requires an existing LinuxMCE installation08:39
TSCHAKeeeas it is intended to bootstrap orbiters, and eventually media endpoint devices08:40
TSCHAKeeeand after that, do cores and hybrids of these devices08:40
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Stskeepsit's a penguinbait08:47
penguinbaitit does exits08:48
penguinbaitit does exist08:48
Stskeepsdoing exits too would be fun :P08:48
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Stskeepsgood morning thiago_home :)09:42
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thiago_homeStskeeps: good morning09:57
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jonnorkshots: sounds like xinput_calibrator has an issue then12:06
jonnorkshots: it might rely on a specific X extension12:07
jonnorhmm, maybe it needs XInput and not XInput212:07
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smokuwho could I bug about http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/opensuse/ ?  11.4 is missing :)12:12
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jonnorsmoku: who? You file a bug in the bugtracker.12:18
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jonnor(after checking that one does not exist)12:18
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smokujonnor, there already is bug 14383 which I want to bug about ;P12:26
_MeeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14383 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, SDK & Tools for openSUSE 11.412:26
jonnorsmoku: five hours has gone since it was reported.12:27
jonnoroh, sorry, PST12:27
jonnorAdd yourself to CC, bug on the bug in a week if nothing happens.12:28
jonnorHave some patience :)12:29
smokuI quess I can live a week without upgrade :>12:30
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jonnorYou can most likely use the repositories for an older version on 11.412:31
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smokuis there a way to use .spec bundled in the source on OBS?14:06
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JaffaAf'noon, all.15:03
Stskeepsafternon15:03
Jaffawazd_: pong15:03
berndhsmorning15:03
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MiescoWhat happends now that nokia left the project?15:39
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Stskeepsthey haven't left the project15:40
Miescooh okay cool!15:40
MiescoI thought they did15:40
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition#Organization makes that fairly clear15:41
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wazd_Stskeeps: o/15:42
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MiescoIs meego open source?15:42
wazd_Jaffa: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png15:42
thiago_homeMiesco: yes15:43
thiago_homeStskeeps: 16 submissions so far...15:43
Stskeepsthiago_home: yeah, worrying15:44
thiago_homeStskeeps: I'll submit one more15:44
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wazd_Stskeeps: btw, how can I register for the SF Conference as a speaker? :) It asks for some kind of password, but not mine eventually15:47
Stskeepswazd_: register as attendee and i think it upgrades you or something..15:48
thiago_homewazd_: the important thing is to submit your talk now15:48
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wazd_thiago_home: yeah, already figured out a topic to discuss :)15:50
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thiago_homegood15:50
thiago_homenow we need more topics15:50
thiago_homeI'm trying to convince all my colleagues15:50
wazd_thiago_home: though tickets for me are crazy expensive so I highly doubt that I'm gonna make it :)15:51
thiago_homewazd_: I think you can say somewhere in the form that you need financial support15:51
* lbt notes the dietary restriction of "non-diary" and picks it since he's allergic to calendars....15:51
lbtthiago_home: FYI I'm working on mine .... vendor automation tools and the vendor ecosystem15:52
MiescoLets see, looking for a good OS for netbooks... " Windows®. Life without WallsTM."... Well there woudldn't be windows without walls so...15:53
Bostikunless you're in a Dali universe15:54
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thiago_homethat might be fun15:54
* thiago_home likes Miró though15:55
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valianholtHello :] is there any map/gps solution for MeeGo yt?16:44
valianholtyet *16:44
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Stskeepsjavispedro: so you managed to get it submitted?16:46
javispedroyep16:46
javispedro:)16:46
Stskeepsgood16:46
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wazd_Stskeeps: what do you tthink bout CSSU icon btw? :)16:47
Stskeepswazd_: looks cool, not really involved with cssu so i didnt think it my place to comment ;)16:48
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valianholthttp://vimeo.com/19564426 enjoy16:50
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lbtdoes mic2 still need an ssse3 CPU to make a meego image?17:20
Stskeepsarm?17:21
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lbtno - for the joggler17:25
Stskeepsah17:25
Stskeepsgive it a shot? ..17:25
lbtlast time I tried it was ssse3 only ....17:26
lbtyep I am17:26
Stskeepsthen maybe it still is17:26
lbtjust making an opensuse VM17:26
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lcukn900hey, does anyone know the command line to prevent computer from going to standby when i close the lid?17:26
lbtlcukn900: which OS ?17:26
lcukn900meego netbook17:27
lbtit's an ACPI event handler17:27
sjokkisare there any people from TI in this channel?17:27
lcukn900i am sitting in cafe and have to keep the lid open atm to charge n90017:27
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lbtlcukn900: OK - not off top of my head ... sry17:28
lcukn900ta anyway17:28
lcukn900!!! slate mode with lock screen17:29
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lbtgrep -ri acpi /etc/17:29
lcukn900slate mode worked actually lol17:29
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lbt:)17:30
lcukn900hey daivd, at this telecomms thing they have all sorts of stuff17:30
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lbtlcukn900: telcos do ...17:30
lcukn900a display with busby on and too questions17:31
lcukn900communication is worse today because...17:31
lcukn900and they gave postits and pencils to answer17:31
lbta BUSBY!17:31
lcukn900lol17:31
lcukn900the answers ring certain bells17:32
lbtbtw..... they're looking for "body language"17:32
lbtthey don't get 'lol' ;)17:32
lcukn900of course !17:33
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lcukn900was good playing lemmings on an amiga, saved 95pc on first go17:33
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* lcukn900 goes and looks round the rest of the stuff, bbl17:37
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sjokkislbt: isn't there usually a guy from texas instruments who frequents here? do you remember who?17:42
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lbtsjokkis: mmm17:43
Stskeepssjokkis: there's a few17:43
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sjokkisi think the guy i talked to earlier was from india, or at least had a name that sounded like it17:44
* lbt can't recall - or find notes17:45
sjokkisStskeeps: any idea who that might have been?17:45
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GAN900jkridner is on Freenode, although not here.17:46
sjokkisno, it was this channel17:46
ali1234sjokkis: sounds like nishanthmenon17:47
sjokkismight have been!17:47
sjokkisi'll keep it in mind and ask him next time he's around. thanks17:47
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dm8tbryes nishanth is doing OMAP4 and also some meego things in that context17:53
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leinirThere we go... Session about Gluon submitted :) Hopefully we'll make the cut this time 'round! :) http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/gaming-freedom-makers-and-players18:01
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thiago_homethanks leinir18:05
leinirHey, you're welcome! :)18:06
leinirJust hope it's interesting enough to get past the selection this time - the lightning talk in Dublin was really nice, but it'd be nifty to get a proper session this time :)18:07
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GAN900I can't imaginem the sessions being easier to get for unaffiliated types this time around.18:23
GAN900Given the industry and press focus.18:23
thiago_homeright18:24
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lbt28/78119:17
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Stskeeps28?19:19
lbtlinux firmware...19:20
lbtnow :     Installing: tar                          ##################### [198/781]19:20
lbt:)19:20
Stskeepsah19:21
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niala1hello21:17
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wazd_vasvlad_: ping? :)21:27
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npmthiago_home Stskeeps -- re session presentations, would it be of interest fot me to present info/demo/tutorial on "MeeGolem hack" ( https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14129 ) and all the goodies you can easily install with it?21:40
_MeeeGoBot_Bug 14129 maj, Low, ---, yan.yin, NEW, DumbUser says "MeeGo is broken I can't watch my videos, hear my music, or receive podcasts and there21:40
* npm adding http://openshot.org/ to the list of apps21:40
npmor about "this" close to success21:41
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npmI could also call the session how to translate this dependency list into meegoeeze: build-essential python-dev libgtk2.0-dev swig autoconf libtool automake libbz2-dev yasm checkinstall python-pygoocanvas libsdl1.2-dev libdv4-dev libxml2-dev sox libsox-dev libvorbis-dev libtheora-dev libsamplerate0-dev kino dvgrab jack jack-rack libjack-dev ladspa-sdk libquicktime1 libquicktime-dev libfaac"21:44
Jaffanpm: More of a lightning talk or demo slot?21:44
npmwell there's plenty to talk about, and probably more to discuss21:44
npmi figure i could turn my yet-unpublished responses to this thread ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003675.html ) into the talk21:47
Jaffa:)21:47
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Stskeepsnpm: submit if you would like to present, we'll evaluate topics and see what makes sense21:49
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npmwell there's no point in submitting if it's not an appropriate topic, and it competes with AppUp :-)21:50
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npmthus potentially politically incorrect :-)21:51
lbtnpm: isn't meegolem a non-compliant adaptation of meego ?21:51
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lbtwhich is a perfectly valid use of meego21:51
Stskeepsnpm: check cfp for what makes sense. meego isn't about certain companies and their products only21:51
npmno, it's a hack i run on my netbook to prevent me from deinstalling meego and running fedora21:51
npmit might also prevent others from doing the same21:52
npmc.f. "Linux Outlaws" MeeGo netbook competition with entry form password "NokiaFail" and the statement "at least give it a shot before deinstalling" and letter-feedback "so and so tried meego and agreed... the s10-3t is now running linux mint"21:53
Stskeepsnpm: we'd rather have too many presentations to select from than too few :)21:54
npmjust like "Fedora compliance" results in systems that are unusable without RPMFusion21:54
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npm( http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/194 @~88':00" ... http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/193 http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/192 )21:58
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* npm decideds to be explicit about noncompliance and explain that most people running a popular distro like fedora do this http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f14.html and stop being fedora compliant. Others run ubuntu's codec manager or install Linux Mint to achieve same effect...22:11
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dm8tbrnpm: compliance is a weapon to wield for $bigcorp against $othercorp for $competitive_advantage22:14
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poutsiand to negate pursuit of comptetitive advantage22:15
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dm8tbrpeople don't like it when I put it that way, but IMHO effectively compliance and 5616 subverted _all_ serious community effort or at least set it back by serious ammounts of time while the reference implementation prospered22:18
dm8tbrthere's an 'ARM' missing in there22:19
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gabrbeddThat's BS.  Compliance is a weapon to allow the hapless user to install App A on System B and it "just works" as long as both are "MeeGo".22:22
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gabrbeddIf that's not enforced, then when App A doesn't install on System B, user says, "MeeGo sux... I'm going back to windows."22:22
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dm8tbrgabrbedd: that was the _intent_ but the actual usage is what I described. go, prove, me, wrong. you won't manage to.22:31
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lbtStskeeps: so.... image made on my AMD phenom (in an openSuse 11.2 kvm VM)22:38
dm8tbrElse I wouldn't be hosting several adaptations22:38
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lbtdm8tbr: so where are we on that hosting issue22:38
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lbtStskeeps: http://pastie.org/1664431  is that error at the end a problem?  IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor22:39
dm8tbrlbt: things are serving fine, under the fabulous name of 'mg'.22:39
lbtvgrade: ping ....22:39
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dm8tbrI wonder what the status on meego-rnd is22:40
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lbtdm8tbr: meego-rnd ?22:40
lcukgabrbedd, your "app B on system B" will not directly run anyway?22:40
lcukespecially if we are talking meego handset22:40
dm8tbrbug 1351622:40
_MeeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project"22:40
lcukor did we sort out single unified binaries?22:40
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lcukgabrbedd, however, being able to obtain the same app from repository and install/use on various machines seems practical :)22:42
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gabrbeddlcuk: Yes... arch differences break things up. :-922:42
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lcukgabrbedd, is it feasible to have universal binaries?22:43
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TSCHAKeeeNeXT just bundled stuff together into an .app bundle22:44
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lcukor self compiled stuff22:44
timeless_w7ip:(22:44
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timeless_w7iptouch screens are dangerous22:44
TSCHAKeeethis included binaries for the different arches22:44
lcukI believe .net recompiles after downloading new packages22:44
TSCHAKeeeand made changes to the loader to deal with it22:44
* timeless_w7ip tried to touch the [start] button but it ran away and so i hit an [x] instead22:44
lcuktimeless_w7ip, sharp edges?22:44
dm8tbrhint: binary compatibility applies between n900, beagleboard and a5it as the SoC's are either identical or near identical22:44
TSCHAKeeethis carried over into OS X22:44
dm8tbrjust that one of them is officially endorsed, none of them are compliant22:44
lcukdm8tbr, that sounds more confusing22:45
gabrbeddlcuk: I don't know.  Whether the binaries are universal or not... seems like universal /packages/ might be feasible.22:45
lcukgabrbedd, only until the next cpu arch comes along22:45
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gabrbeddlcuk: Ha!  Yeah. :-)22:46
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* lcuk thinks data compatability would be simpler to describe than binary application compatability22:46
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dm8tbrlcuk: well, or until meego switches to HFP22:46
timeless_w7ipgabrbedd: universal packages only make people happy if there are only 2 formats22:46
timeless_w7ipotherwise the bandwidth costs are prohibitive22:47
* lcuk holds hand up22:47
dm8tbrlcuk: TI SGX is not available as HFP, so even if bug 5616 gets fixed once again only one of the three aforementioned will have working meego22:47
_MeeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, ---, viroteck, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled22:47
lcukis QML capable of working on different archs?22:47
gabrbeddlcuk: QML is arch independent... but...22:48
niala1why not?22:48
gabrbeddlcuk: It has to be loaded from a binary program.22:48
lcukor is that more "as long as the app is pure qml and does not use any binary components"22:48
lcukif the build time of apps was not so prohibative22:49
lcukhaving a source code only repository would be awesome22:49
berndhsQML is arch independent, but apparently not platform/vertical independent22:49
berndhsat least not reall soon22:49
gabrbeddlcuk: Using qmlviewer is officially NOT recommended for deploying apps.22:49
timeless_w7ipthere's no such thing as a pure qml app afaik22:49
gabrbeddlcuk: They're supposed to be loaded from a binary via QDeclarativeSomethingOrOther22:50
berndhstimeless_w7ip: right thats the problem22:50
lcukgabrbedd, the qmlviewer is just a launcher, you are right, it should not be required22:50
lcukif we have window manager thingies that are QML though, won't they have dynamic sub process launch stuff built in?22:50
gabrbeddHowever, I imagine it won't be long before qmlviewer is used to deploy QML-only apps.22:50
lcukoooh found my n810 barrel charger22:51
* lcuk pleased moved stuff around today22:51
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timeless_w7ipbarrel?22:53
timeless_w7ipi.e. mini round instead of thick or usb?22:53
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lcuktimeless_w7ip, yeah, n810 had old thin round charger22:54
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lcukdaily-testing question: The new image for daily testing which is 031122:59
lcukhttp://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.7.20110311.84/22:59
timeless_w7ipsorry i just don't recognize 'barrel' as the descriptive for it23:00
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lcukhas anyone put it on and tried installing stuff with it?23:00
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lcuktimeless_w7ip, search web for "nokia barrel" brings up many power related results23:00
shadeslayerhey lcuk :D23:00
lcuktimeless_w7ip, it is just the English description for it I suppose.23:01
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* lcuk never heard it described as anything else23:01
timeless_w7ipi think nokia probably calls them "high efficiency" chargers :)23:04
timeless_w7ipbut i think i've mostly heard it called "mini"23:04
timeless_w7ipas opposed ot the bigger "classic" charger23:05
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timeless_w7ipthe problem w/ "barrel" is that nokia has made 2 round chargers23:06
shadeslayerhas anyone tried to build Meego for a HTC Desire here?23:08
lcuktimeless_w7ip, yes often described as little barrel and big barrel, don't ask me why - you are the language expert!23:09
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gabrbeddshadeslayer: First google hit:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnfHNjcdzg23:14
shadeslayergabrbedd: can you come in #meego-arm?23:15
gabrbeddmaybe try to track that guy down. :-)23:15
shadeslayergabrbedd: i've actually advanced to a new stage23:15
shadeslayerwhere i get 404 errors on URL;s23:15
shadeslayerrepo url's i mean23:15
gabrbeddI would come... but I don't do arm... sorry.23:16
shadeslayergabrbedd: http://paste.kde.org/719323:16
gabrbeddAs for 404 repo errors... lcuk filed a bug on those...23:16
shadeslayerand http://blog.mitsutaka.org/2010/11/meego-11-for-nexusone-status-and-how-to.html23:16
gabrbeddBut I think he got it worked out somehow.23:16
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shadeslayerwell i'm using the nexus one config file since the hardware is pretty much the same23:17
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shadeslayeroh and is it possible to get Meego 1.2 instead of 1.1?23:17
gabrbeddshadeslayer: oh... those 404 errors with mic.23:17
shadeslayeryes23:17
gabrbeddThat's different.23:17
gabrbeddMaybe try cleaning out your package cache.23:18
gabrbeddThat's helped me fix that in the past.23:18
lcukshadeslayer, the USB networking was using 127.0.0.1 to do DNS lookup within zypper (or something)23:18
shadeslayergabrbedd: can i get meego 1.2 by changing the urls etc?23:18
* gabrbedd would like to get to the bottom of the repository cache poisoning...23:18
shadeslayerlcuk: er .. i didn't get a single word23:18
gabrbeddshadeslayer: No...  meego 1.2 isn't released yet.23:19
gabrbeddshadeslayer: But the current dev. snapshot can be got by changing urls etc.23:19
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shadeslayergabrbedd: what's the current snapshot version? 1.1.90?23:19
gabrbeddlook in http://repos.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/23:20
gabrbeddI don't know the current snapshot version.23:20
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timeless_w7iplcuk: how often is the repo-latest updated? is it daily? weekly?23:22
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lcuktimeless_w7ip, not sure, I have been on bleeding edge daily-testing for a while23:22
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wazd_just in case, is there any way to skin netbook-meego's window? :)23:24
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lcukwazd_, there should be, it is part of the theme data isn't it?23:25
lcukthere are some folks who are playing with moblin stuff23:25
lcukand afaik that has changed theme etc23:25
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wazd_lcuk: no, I mean just one window, not the whole system :)23:27
gabrbeddwazd_: Don't know about "re-theming" a single window... however, you can set the frameless window flag... and draw your own.23:29
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gabrbedde.g. in Qt your top-level widget will call something like QWidget::setWindowFlags( Qt::Window | Qt::FramelessWindowHint )23:30
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lbtreboot ... bbiab23:33
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shadeslayerany ideas what "MeeGo Handset Applications Branding" was changed too?23:36
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wazd_to make things clear, any chance to do this? http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/1103/ea/1c08c252d0bd.png23:38
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gabrbeddwazd_: You have to write a panel plugin for mutter-meego.  AFAIK, it has to be written in GTK+.23:43
kpomanhi to all ! can someone point me please to somewhere telling how to install meego on n900 while keeping maemo ?23:43
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lcukkpoman, MeeGo on N900 is geared towards installing on the external MMC :) ie does not intefere with normal Maemo running23:45
kpomanlcuk: yep but apparently the multiboot thing breaks maemo if you uninstall the extra os ?23:45
lcukkpoman, not looked23:47
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wazd_oh crap didn't know that videos from Dublin are published :D23:50
wazd_I'm sooo embarassed :)23:50
lcuklinks!23:50
lcukyou were bouncing more than others23:50
* lcuk noted you were reaching the ceiling!23:51
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wazd_lcuk: I don't wanna to even watch it :D23:51
wazd_wanna*23:52
wazd_daaaamn :)23:52
wazd_That's not me, that's some other guy :)23:52
npmgabrbedd: re "would like to get to the bottom of the repository cache poisoning" -- what is the issue?23:53
gabrbeddnpm: Typical pattern:  zypper is broken (says it can't find some file called aasd987as98as987d987as9d87a8s7d9a87sdasd-filenames.xml.gz), user fixes problem by issuing `zypper clean --all` or `sudo rm -rf /var/cache/zypp`23:55
gabrbeddHappens too often.23:55
gabrbeddZypper should be "self-healing"23:55
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npmmake sure your networking didn't bork while it was doing that23:57
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gabrbeddnpm: zypper needs to know how to recover from a failed transaction.23:58
lcukwazd_, ?23:58
lcuklol23:58
lcukit was you!23:58
lcukI might even also have captured a photo of you too because I giggled when I saw you23:58

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