| ali1234 | minecraft is java | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | I think Doom3 postcard rendering would be faster | 00:00 |
| Myrtti | minecraft runs natively with sun java in linux | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | minecraft uses all opengl for graphics... it is fast | 00:00 |
| Myrtti | in fact, I'm playing it as we speak | 00:00 |
| lcuk | ali1234, my n900 does not support opengl | 00:00 |
| lcuk | It has OpenGL-ES afaik | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | hmm... n900... best game is probably some rom in snes9x? | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | wait, scratch that - megadrive, super pang | 00:01 |
| lcuk | perhaps the prefix "legal" should have been added | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | probably the best game of the whole 16 bit era | 00:01 |
| gabrbedd | SOLITAIRE!! | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | oh jeez | 00:02 |
| lcuk | nahh, that was most likely TMNT or sonic | 00:02 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, getting closer to usable | 00:02 |
| Myrtti | numpty physics? | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | i don't think there are any good and legal games that will run on n900 | 00:02 |
| lcuk | how can I search OBS to see if anyone built it already? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, :D | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, numpyt might work quite well afaik | 00:03 |
| lcuk | since it worked on the 400mhz n8x0 | 00:03 |
| lcuk | it all depends on the graphics modes beyond | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: there's a search box on the front page of OBS | 00:03 |
| lcuk | link? | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 00:03 |
| gabrbedd | they promised us angry birds... when's that supposed to ship? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, solitaire == no results found | 00:04 |
| lcuk | no results found for numpty | 00:04 |
| lcuk | 2 results for xchat though (confirming it was actually searching) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | ooh KDE Games set has been pushed there by Mek | 00:05 |
| lcuk | and zigbee has pushed pygame | 00:05 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: um, there /is/ a solitaire game... and it's installed on Netbook by default. I don't remember what it's called, though. | 00:05 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I do not have netbook in my hand | 00:05 |
| lcuk | that is over there charging <<<<<<<<<<<<< | 00:06 |
| lcuk | so, thinking of OBS so that I can actually install on whatever meego device | 00:06 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: right... but maybe it's in the "core" repos instead of netbook (which implies an ARM build)... | 00:06 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, could you try and dig whilst I root around for different games in the public obs | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | i wrote a game in pygame once: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/md/ | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | it was even meant to be used on mobile devices | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | never finished it though | 00:07 |
| lcuk | the ITP includes a few games | 00:08 |
| lcuk | like PuzzleMaster | 00:08 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#P | 00:08 |
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| ali1234 | scummvm | 00:08 |
| lcuk | is there an AppUp client for MeeGo yet? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | because I see theres lots of games pushed there | 00:09 |
| lcuk | I am not sure how they would run on the arm though | 00:09 |
| DawnFoster1 | lcuk: not yet | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | fceux is a game system emulator | 00:09 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster1, being worked on though undoubtably? | 00:09 |
| DawnFoster1 | we'll have a client after some more MeeGo apps get submitted | 00:09 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:09 | |
| DawnFoster1 | lcuk: yep | 00:09 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster1, have you seen the stuff about DeveloperEdition, and just a slight change in stance towards a usable handset to work from | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition | 00:10 |
| DawnFoster1 | yeah, I saw that posted on the mailing list | 00:10 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Found it... gnome-games, but it's a netbook-only build. | 00:11 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, hrm, I heard somewhere that baseline GTK was included even in handset | 00:12 |
| lcuk | so perhaps they might build with minimal effort | 00:12 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I would think so. | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | gnome games isn't exactly anything to write home about... | 00:12 |
| gabrbedd | My guess is that it's netbook-only simply for maintenance rather than a technical reason. | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, :) having a system stable enough to consider game playing is important surely | 00:13 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: true... but better than nothing! | 00:13 |
| lcuk | ali1234, port your game then! | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean "port"? | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | also, which one? | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Also, netbook has frozen-bubble... which is a perl and SDL game. So it'll probably be easy to port, too. | 00:14 |
| lcuk | ali1234, the one you just posted a link to | 00:14 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | it's written in pygame | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't need porting | 00:14 |
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| ali1234 | it already runs in maemo | 00:14 |
| lcuk | ali1234, test it then? | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | it's not playable | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | it needs... finishing | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | oh, its a hard game then! | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | actually it needs refactoring to allow network support | 00:15 |
| lcuk | MeeGo is a really hard game, end of level boss prevent you from releasing updates :P | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | or it needs AI | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | i can't get the interest to do either | 00:15 |
| lcuk | i was playing this in the pub last night: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110225_121911.liqrecentsketches.scr.png | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | i have some more unfinished games as well | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | but they all need opengl | 00:16 |
| lcuk | surprisingly, the iphone and finger writing manages almost as well | 00:16 |
| lcuk | (we were mucking around working out how well can write on a capacitive | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | lol gabrbedd | 00:39 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, a discussion underway in maemo at the moment, I brought up a memory of the new Nokia offices where qgil is, which town is he in? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | (my observation was based on the new buildings being in the heart of the town and integrating with the community) | 00:45 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: embarrassed to say that I don't remember for sure | 00:45 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:45 |
| * lcuk will look | 00:45 | |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: think it was mountain view or palo alto but could be wrong | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | yes, his twitter says Mountain View | 00:46 |
| lcuk | thanks | 00:46 |
| lcuk | now, I just have to try and find the article | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/05/nokias-new-us-hq-in-sunnyvale-california-silicon-valley/ | 00:48 |
| lcuk | that is enough :D | 00:49 |
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| berndhs | oh good that was cleared up, its 6 miles between Mountain View and Palo Alto :) | 00:56 |
| DawnFoster | yay. I was right (twice) :) | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | lol DawnFoster | 00:57 |
| lcuk | hitting your head must have had a positive effect! | 00:57 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: I'm such a klutz - it's left my brain feeling foggy for 2 days. | 01:02 |
| lcuk | :( | 01:02 |
| lcuk | what did you do? | 01:02 |
| DawnFoster | was walking really fast in the cold with my head down and walked right into a sign on the sidewalk | 01:02 |
| DawnFoster | cut my head, too. | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | was absolutely ridiculous | 01:03 |
| lcuk | :'( | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | can't even blame it on alcohol - was completely sober | 01:03 |
| lcuk | that must not have been a very high sign either | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | I'll live - I've a klutz my whole life - I'm used to it :) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | "Warning: Low sign!" | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | no kidding! | 01:03 |
| lcuk | I once was riding past a bus stop filled with people | 01:04 |
| lcuk | on my cool BMX push bike | 01:04 |
| lcuk | and I managed to crack head on a tree branch | 01:04 |
| lcuk | and went flying off | 01:04 |
| * lcuk still hears the laughter | 01:04 | |
| DawnFoster | ow! and way more embarrassing when done in front of a crowd. | 01:05 |
| lcuk | so DawnFoster :) it happens to everyone! | 01:05 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: riding past a school bus stop on my moutian bike I went to over take a woman on the path, next thing I know is I'm on my back looking up at her | 01:05 |
| lcuk | did she clothsline you? | 01:05 |
| CosmoHill | nope, not to sure how but I went head first over the handle bars and lost part of my two front teeth on the pavement | 01:06 |
| CosmoHill | I sit up to see red and white stuff on the floor :/ | 01:06 |
| lcuk | tasty | 01:06 |
| CosmoHill | great dentist tho, had it fixed within an hour | 01:07 |
| lcuk | superglue? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | or falsies? :P | 01:08 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Crack in the road? I hit one of those, once. | 01:08 |
| berndhs | dentist fixed the bike? that's nice | 01:08 |
| lcuk | I think we have a bit of road hiding between the potholes | 01:08 |
| lcuk | haha | 01:08 |
| CosmoHill | no idea, I tend to just be riding along and then looking up from the floor | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, thanks. | 01:09 |
| lcuk | I failed to keep the milk in my mouth | 01:09 |
| CosmoHill | one time my front tyre burst whist crossing a road, I fell off sideways into the middle the the road, I had to take my backpack off to sit up | 01:09 |
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| CosmoHill | £40 to fix the bike, £80 to fix the laptop and a very bad mood | 01:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: I am trying to build against the joggler kickstart, and i'm using the 20110125 weekly snap.... i can't seem to get anything to happen (the device is using the emgd efi bootsplash so everything is hidden, I do not see what's' going on...) | 01:21 |
| berndhs | xdpyinfo millimeters are off by 22% on my machine in meego | 01:24 |
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| TSCHAKeee | has anyone had an issue after making an image with MIC, that it dumps out of SYSLINUX and just shows the boot: prompt? | 01:29 |
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| djszapi | What is wrong about mic by you, TSCHAKeee ? | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, OI | 01:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | oi | 01:42 |
| lcuk | djszapi was asking about MIC since he has random issues himself | 01:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm trying to get a custom meego going on the joggler and the archos9 | 01:43 |
| lcuk | and MIC had a load of new commits today | 01:43 |
| lcuk | wondered whether the issues might have been related | 01:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm just running the one packaged with meego1.1 | 01:43 |
| djszapi | TSCHAKeee: can I ask which distribution do you use ? | 01:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | and what i'm getting is, syslinux isn't booting, it's just sitting at a boot: waiting for me to enter stuff | 01:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am running mic on my meego netbook | 01:44 |
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| TSCHAKeee | MeeGo IS the building distro in this case | 01:44 |
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| djszapi | lol | 01:44 |
| djszapi | ok | 01:44 |
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| djszapi | that is a bit different story than my case :p | 01:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | and the packages i am adding, i've built on OBS | 01:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | and tested by installing onto my meego notebook | 01:45 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, evening | 02:19 |
| Sage | evening ;) | 02:19 |
| vgrade | Hi Sage | 02:20 |
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| Sage | hi | 02:20 |
| Sage | if something is slow it is netbook :D | 02:21 |
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| * Sage has been creating images with his N280 based netbook at home ;) | 02:21 | |
| vgrade | Sage,I'm trying Cordia tonight on your panda image | 02:21 |
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| Sage | Cordia? | 02:22 |
| vgrade | Sage http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start | 02:23 |
| Sage | ah | 02:24 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: heya | 02:34 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee: can you mount your stick in your host PC. You should have two partitions one vfat the other ext3. In the vfat partition you should have the normal efi stuff | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup, i made it by making a 50M vfat and the rest ext3 | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | making the vfat active | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | copying the joggler-fat into it | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | and rsync -aHx'ing a loopback mounted mic created image into the ext3 | 02:35 |
| vgrade | where did you get the joggler-fat from | 02:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | bug10738 | 02:36 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 02:36 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 02:37 | |
| vgrade | ok, I think I may know what the issue is | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok, i am building against 20110125 | 02:37 |
| vgrade | can you mount both your vfat and ext3 | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | sure | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | got it | 02:37 |
| vgrade | I think you need to adjust your grub file to point to the correct kernel name at /boot on the eext3 part | 02:38 |
| vgrade | grub.cfg on the vfat | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh man *smack-self* | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | good point one sec | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 02:38 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yup i can already tell that was it | 02:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | gonna fix this and boot this stick | 02:40 |
| vgrade | I need to go to bed now, I will be on again +7 hours, good luck | 02:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: is root supposed to be sda2? | 02:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: or sdb2? | 02:41 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i'm guessing sdb2 | 02:41 |
| vgrade | a | 02:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | okay | 02:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | okay thanks man | 02:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | later | 02:42 |
| vgrade | night | 02:42 |
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| araujo | :) | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | salut araujo | 02:48 |
| araujo | hello CosmoHill | 02:49 |
| araujo | how things go around here? | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | pretty well, everyone gets on with each other and provide help when needed | 02:50 |
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| araujo | :D | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | we have a selection of developers from a variety of open source projects. The biggest problem we have in a channel of this size is net splits | 02:53 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:15 |
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| wmarone__ | hmm | 03:32 |
| wmarone__ | I hope btrfs is more stable by the time people try actually using it with MeeGo | 03:33 |
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| TSCHAKeee | hey guys | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | i am having this problem when uxlaunch starts | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | Apr 7 03:04:41 localhost gconfd (meego-2056): starting (version 2.29.0), pid 2056 user 'meego' | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | Apr 7 03:04:41 localhost gconfd (meego-2056): Failed to load source "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.meego": Couldn't resolve address for configuration source: Can't read from or write to the XML root directory in the address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.meego" | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's causing everything else related to meegotouch to fail | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | what could the problem be? | 03:50 |
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| lcuk2 | TSCHAKeee, I guess those files do actually exist? | 04:00 |
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| lcuk2 | frals, :) | 04:03 |
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| frals | sup? just got home ;O | 04:04 |
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| lcuk2 | frals, the twitter post | 04:06 |
| lcuk2 | hope you have had a decent evening | 04:06 |
| frals | like always when i go out with vdvsx im out way too late and get way too much to drink but ye :) | 04:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk2: nope, it's not creating dbus files in tmp | 04:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk2: but i'm not doing anything special | 04:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | dbus is there, it's installed, it's being run, but i do not know what the hell is going on :( | 04:08 |
| lcuk2 | TSCHAKeee, the files you specified are not in /tmp | 04:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | is there a recent handset image that BOOTS on pinetrail? | 04:08 |
| lcuk2 | look at the error message you posted, it reference actual filepaths | 04:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk2: they're not there | 04:08 |
| lcuk2 | you know, the actual error itself | 04:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | and i do not know why | 04:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | this would be understandable if i were installing dbus from scratch on my own | 04:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but i'm not | 04:09 |
| lcuk2 | IDK that much about how dbus needs to be installed then, sorry $ | 04:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | wonderful. | 04:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks anyway. | 04:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 04:09 |
| lcuk2 | frals, you mean they actually server vdvsx with beer nowadays? | 04:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | the whole UX is failing | 04:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it's because dbus is installed incorrectly | 04:10 |
| lcuk2 | it works normally for things? | 04:10 |
| lcuk2 | what are you actually doing differently? | 04:10 |
| * lcuk2 ponders another Magnum | 04:10 | |
| TSCHAKeee | i am just installing an older handset image, because the newer handset images won't even boot | 04:10 |
| lcuk2 | specific image filename? | 04:11 |
| lcuk2 | because I have been testing handset on pinetrail a lot recently | 04:11 |
| lcuk2 | and it only broke specifically on 0228 | 04:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | is handset fucked up THIS badly? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.0.20110125.3/ | 04:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's what I am building from | 04:11 |
| lcuk2 | damn my logs only go back 2 weeks | 04:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | which one should i build against? | 04:13 |
| lcuk2 | ok, to verify something | 04:14 |
| lcuk2 | (specifically because I have a screenshot) | 04:14 |
| lcuk2 | I will have created image for: meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.90.4.20110217.87-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 04:14 |
| lcuk2 | and used it to at least take this screenshot http://liqbase.net/liq.meego.handset.on.x200s.20110221_001.jpg | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | so at very least it boots | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | and gets to ux | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | I know scale is wrong | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | but different issue | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | I have other later images which also happily boot | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | but I did not get a screenshot of those | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | use the qa-tools testing grid also | 04:16 |
| * lcuk2 finds a link | 04:16 | |
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| lcuk2 | http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset | 04:16 |
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| lcuk2 | but, meh -> Magnum time | 04:16 |
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| npm | are there any "N900 developer edition" images or is http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition just an announcement ... seems like it links to the regular images | 04:17 |
| lcuk2 | npm, there is the bug of where to put slight custom images | 04:17 |
| lcuk2 | which afaik needs resolving first | 04:17 |
| lcuk2 | but it will not be that much different from standard | 04:18 |
| npm | oh. ok i'll wait. | 04:18 |
| lcuk2 | just concentrating on making it functional for developers to use as a real device | 04:18 |
| lcuk2 | npm, I expect on Monday more work will be done :) | 04:18 |
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| lcuk2 | and we should see some movement on it | 04:19 |
| npm | very good idea to "eat the dogfood" and not just serve it :-) | 04:19 |
| lcuk2 | :) | 04:19 |
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| xiambax | Could one vac into a meego box and use it like normal? | 06:43 |
| xiambax | like from an ipad? | 06:43 |
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| ar | "vac"? | 07:15 |
| ar | xiambax: you mean "vnc"? | 07:15 |
| xiambax | Whoops | 07:15 |
| xiambax | Yes | 07:15 |
| xiambax | :D | 07:15 |
| xiambax | meego cloud. | 07:17 |
| xiambax | would be a rad idea | 07:17 |
| xiambax | i just wanna know | 07:17 |
| xiambax | Im torn between exopc and new ipad | 07:17 |
| ar | thing is, vnc is suffering a lot on high-latency and low-bandwidth links | 07:19 |
| xiambax | mmmmm | 07:19 |
| xiambax | i see | 07:19 |
| xiambax | id get exopc if it was dualcore | 07:19 |
| xiambax | but it is not | 07:19 |
| ar | for example: it's possible to watch a movie over vnc, but i did it only once, over a gigabit ethernet network and it still wasn't exactly smooth | 07:20 |
| xiambax | Do you have any recommends for a tablet I can run meego 1.2 alpha on? | 07:24 |
| xiambax | 2gb ram and dualcore preferably | 07:25 |
| xiambax | I don't want an ipad. but i do | 07:26 |
| xiambax | I want to phase out all my apple products I think though | 07:26 |
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| ar | not really | 07:30 |
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| ar | i'd love to see something based on the 9W dual-core version of the bobcat. or the tegra3 | 07:31 |
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| xiambax | I just want something fast | 07:50 |
| xiambax | around 600 to 700 bucks | 07:50 |
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| wassupnari | hi, :) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | morning wassupnari | 08:22 |
| wassupnari | actually afternoon in here :D | 08:22 |
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| wassupnari | anyway, i built 1.1.90 version image and running on my device.. | 08:23 |
| wassupnari | but i cannot run apps.. | 08:23 |
| wassupnari | there are some.. libEGL and GLib-CRITICAL warnings | 08:24 |
| wassupnari | do you know the reason? | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | right - quick checklist: 1) what processor 2) are you running as user 'meego'? | 08:24 |
| wassupnari | 1) armv7 architecture 2) yes | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | you might need to rm /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/libmeegointernalqtstyleplugin.so | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't have a GLESv2 implementation | 08:27 |
| wassupnari | okay, i will try it | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | that plugin acts a little weird so | 08:27 |
| wassupnari | hm.. there's no libmeegointernal*.so file in /usr/.../styles/ | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | what app are you trying to run? | 08:28 |
| wassupnari | i just have libmeegotouchqtstyleplugin.so | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | rm that one instead :P | 08:29 |
| wassupnari | is that same? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:29 |
| wassupnari | okay D) | 08:29 |
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| wassupnari | still.. apps are not working.. and warnings come up. | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok, which app are you trying to run? | 08:32 |
| wassupnari | sms, chat, people.. etc. :) | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 08:33 |
| wassupnari | okay | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | takes a little longer for me to find things at the moment, 7:30am here and i seem to not have any coffee in the house ;) | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | export M_USE_SOFTWARE_RENDERING=1 | 08:34 |
| wassupnari | lol, okay~ i have to go home, too :) | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | and then try to run one of the apps, if you're doing this from command line | 08:34 |
| wassupnari | okay | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | i should really get a tegra2 device to test on myself.. | 08:35 |
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| wassupnari | hm.. still not working | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | what exact warnings do you have? still libEGL? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | or now just glib | 08:36 |
| wassupnari | still both | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hmmm. | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | can i see the glib ones? | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | somehow | 08:37 |
| wassupnari | (process:1249): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_get_type: assertion `value != NULL' failed (process:1249): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_type_is_subtype_of: assertion `g_variant_type_check (type)' failed (process:1249): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_builder_add_value: assertion `!GVSB(builder)->expected_type || g_variant_is_of_type (value, GVSB(builder)->expected_type)' failed (process:1249): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_builder_end: asse | 08:37 |
| wassupnari | libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to open any driver (search paths /usr/lib/dri) | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:38 |
| wassupnari | like above.. | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | try to add -software to the command line | 08:39 |
| wassupnari | i'v already try that | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:40 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what is wrong | 08:40 | |
| wassupnari | Running non-meego graphics system enabled MeeGo touch, forcing native graphicssystem Not loading meegotouch-qt-style for meegotouch app. unable to connect to com.meego.dialer Could not start messageserver Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 08:40 |
| wassupnari | always thanx for your kindly help :D | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | was it meego-tegra2-1.1.90.20110218.0311-mmcblk3p.raw.bz2 that i made? | 08:41 |
| wassupnari | i have to go in a 20 min. | 08:41 |
| wassupnari | no | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:41 |
| wassupnari | it's new one | 08:41 |
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| Stskeeps | still hardfp image? | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, maybe it'd be easier if i could see the kickstart file (.ks), then i can answer some questions myself :) | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Heya Stskeeps | 08:44 |
| wassupnari | hm.. okay | 08:44 |
| wassupnari | i'll sent it by my email, is that okay? | 08:44 |
| wassupnari | send | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes that's ok | 08:44 |
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| wassupnari | have your morning coffee, and see you on Monday! :D | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | see you | 08:45 |
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| TSCHAKeee | well crap, if I manually setuid root X, uxlaunch boots | 08:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | why would that be? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | bad driver? | 08:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | emgd | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | i use Xorg-server-setuid on n900 too | 08:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | well see it gets installed | 08:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | yet i still have to do that | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | used mic2? | 08:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | -f raw or -f fs? | 08:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | -f loop, then rsync'ed -aHx | 08:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | to my target device | 08:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yes, i checked before, it's not setuid before either | 08:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | -a preserves permissions (archive) | 08:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | -H preserves hardlinks | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's why then | 08:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | ??? | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | -f loop has a bug that ruins the setuid of binaries | 08:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: what should I be doing? I need to move the filesystem onto a specially formatted stick, with a vfat partition | 08:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | awww fuck me | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | just make a -f raw file then | 08:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | lovely, does -f fs work? | 08:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | in the end i just need to rsync the filesystem over | 08:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | man, this totally stuck me for the entire night | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: I owe you a keg. | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | let me just pastie you something | 08:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | if i can just get this sucker booting and stable, i can start building what i need to build :) | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/1635299 | 08:54 |
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| WhiteBit | hey | 12:54 |
| WhiteBit | did you notice, ASUS anounced to create meego netbooks | 12:55 |
| WhiteBit | http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/asus-jerry-shen-pledges-3d-tablet-meego-and-android-netbooks/ | 12:56 |
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| lcuk | WhiteBit, frals posted about that last night on twitter | 13:23 |
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| Venemo | ~seen sivang | 14:06 |
| lcuk | Shiny! http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/02/23/bring.back.firefly/index.html | 14:06 |
| infobot | sivang <~sivan@unaffiliated/sivang> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 20h 2m 19s ago, saying: 'or whatever they were called back in 96'. | 14:06 |
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| djszapi | http://ftp.twaren.net/Linux/Linpus/update/releases.n/meego/Packages/openal-soft-1.12.854-2.meego.i586.rpm -> I try this package on such a link, but not in the latest image, why ? :o http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 | 14:48 |
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| jonnor | djszapi: what do you mean? | 15:01 |
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| jonnor | WhiteBit: both Asus and Acer stated they would create Meego netbooks when Meego was released... | 15:02 |
| djszapi | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14188 | 15:02 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14188 nor, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Add openal(-soft) support for ARM (N900) | 15:02 |
| djszapi | jonnor: I meant that ^^ | 15:02 |
| jonnor | Yes, and what about it? | 15:03 |
| jonnor | the mentioned package is for x86, it cannot be used on ARM | 15:04 |
| djszapi | well, I did not see any arm package about it | 15:04 |
| jonnor | if that is what you tried | 15:04 |
| djszapi | that is why I opened the feature request. If I was blind do not hesitate to close the request and send me the availability. | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | morn andre__ | 15:33 |
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| djszapi | 'lo | 15:38 |
| wathek | what does it mean this QGestureManager::deliverEvent: could not find the target for gesture | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | wathek, perhaps you did not link up the signal to a slot? | 16:14 |
| thiago | it's an event | 16:14 |
| wathek | lcuk, what signal? | 16:14 |
| wathek | yep it's an event | 16:14 |
| lcuk | lol ok thiago | 16:14 |
| lcuk | wathek, perhaps you did not link up the event to a handler? | 16:15 |
| wathek | lcuk, let me pastebin my code | 16:15 |
| thiago | I remember seeing this error, but I have no clue what it is | 16:15 |
| thiago | try asking ddenis or zalbisser when they're around | 16:15 |
| wathek | lucian1, thiago, http://pastebin.com/f0a7YAS1 | 16:16 |
| wathek | there's my code | 16:16 |
| wathek | and I don't understand why I got the message "TAP GESTURE" twice | 16:16 |
| lcuk | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt-aleksi/blobs/75599a71e957cae29ddd4d3df9e89d9d4edc0b3d/src/gui/kernel/qgesturemanager.cpp#line459 | 16:17 |
| lcuk | i know it is not mainline, but google shows where the warning originates from, just walk backwards a bit? | 16:17 |
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| wathek | zalbisser_, hi | 16:18 |
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| gabrbedd | wathek: In bool FrmAccueil::viewportEvent(QEvent *event)... | 16:49 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, yep ? | 16:49 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: Shouldn't the 2nd line be... | 16:49 |
| thiago | { | 16:49 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: return gestureEvent(static_cast<QGestureEvent*>(event)); | 16:49 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: :-p | 16:49 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, not really | 16:50 |
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| wathek | gabrbedd, gestureEvent is a method that I wrote | 16:50 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: Just a guess... but on that line you handled the event. And then again at the end of the function, you re-handle the event by invoking the parent class's handler (return QGraphicsView::viewportEvent(event)) | 16:52 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, touchEvent are sent to children first and then to parents if they haven't been treated ? | 16:53 |
| thiago | yes | 16:53 |
| thiago | localised events are sent to the topmost widget at the coordinates | 16:54 |
| thiago | if they aren't handled, they are sent to the parent | 16:54 |
| gabrbedd | but wathek /did/ handle it, and then still sent to the parent. | 16:54 |
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| wathek | thiago, ok | 16:55 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, yep and since QViewport is the big parent | 16:55 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: For example: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/gestures-overview.html#example-event-handling | 16:55 |
| wathek | I think it's better if I use return true; | 16:55 |
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| wathek | gabrbedd, same problem I changed my function to | 17:00 |
| wathek | http://pastebin.com/BuWHMQgs | 17:01 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, I added the return true; but I still getting the same message : | 17:01 |
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| gabrbedd | No, I meant to do this: http://pastebin.com/MMDATJ2X | 17:03 |
| gabrbedd | (that's a diff, by the way) | 17:03 |
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| wathek | gabrbedd, but that way I won't be able to add FingerItem objects | 17:09 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: ?? So when the event is received it is at the same time a TouchEvent and GestureEvent ? | 17:11 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, maybe I should call the gestureEvent function after adding FingerItems | 17:11 |
| wathek | yes | 17:11 |
| wathek | euh ! | 17:11 |
| wathek | yes | 17:11 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, when a touch begin I'll add FingerItem to the scene if theres a touch update I'll update the position of the finger items and if the touch end I'll remove the finger items | 17:12 |
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| wathek | gabrbedd, I still have the same message even after doing this : http://pastebin.com/suQhMUkJ | 17:17 |
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| gabrbedd | wathek: I suggest you do a backtrace to find out what's triggering the events. | 17:28 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: My guess is that your custom gesture recognizer is actually sending two events. | 17:28 |
| wathek | two Events ?! | 17:28 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, let me pastebin my code | 17:29 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: Nope... I'm done. | 17:29 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 17:29 |
| wathek | lol | 17:29 |
| wathek | ok | 17:29 |
| gabrbedd | wathek: I need to do some other stuff. :-) | 17:29 |
| wathek | gabrbedd, ok thank you so mcuh | 17:29 |
| wathek | much | 17:29 |
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| gabrbedd | wathek: best of luck to you! | 17:30 |
| wathek | :) | 17:31 |
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| djszapi | thiago so how to solve it for meego then with cmake ? | 17:58 |
| thiago | the flags should be automatic from the OBS | 17:58 |
| thiago | in fact, they should be the compiler default | 17:58 |
| thiago | are you using the default ARM compiler for MeeGo? | 17:58 |
| thiago | are you using madde? | 17:58 |
| djszapi | I am using this image actually: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-devel/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-devel-1.1.90.5.20110301.7-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 17:59 |
| djszapi | mic-chroot and build. | 17:59 |
| djszapi | thiago: I can add -Wno-psabi though, would that be a dirty hackery ? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: current softfp doesn't have a proper baseline, but at least hardfp one will have --with-arch=armv7-a and such in default compiler so this shouldn't appear in future :P | 18:01 |
| thiago | -Wno-psabi is just to shut up the compiler about the encoding of va_list changing | 18:02 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: is djszapi using the right image for building ARM? | 18:02 |
| djszapi | because -march=armv7-a seems trickier to me... | 18:02 |
| djszapi | I guess that should be covered by cmake. | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: .. sortof, he's doing same as you would compile on device. CFLAGS="-march=armv7-a -mfpu=vfpv3" should be exported and cmake picking this up | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | most of us just use OBS or madde :P | 18:04 |
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| djszapi | thiaog: I thought that would be one point about cmake, to build for the correct target with the correct target flag. | 18:05 |
| djszapi | * flag = option | 18:05 |
| djszapi | * thiago, even :) | 18:06 |
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| wathek | how can I change the state of a QGesture ? | 18:10 |
| wathek | how does it get changed ? | 18:10 |
| thiago | djszapi: I'm not sure cmake picks up CXXFLAGS | 18:11 |
| djszapi | it does | 18:11 |
| thiago | is it set then with the proper values? | 18:11 |
| djszapi | fex. SET(CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_DEBUG "-Wall -g3 -ggdb -O0" CACHE STRING "Debug options." FORCE) | 18:11 |
| djszapi | well, I think it is a cmake bug :) | 18:11 |
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| djszapi | and I should not set anything. | 18:12 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, see bug 7790 | 18:12 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | especially the comments | 18:12 |
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| wathek | is what I'm doing to create a gesture right : gesturerecognizer : http://pastebin.com/LMMZSVFE and tapgesture : http://pastebin.com/Bh2ytmsk | 18:13 |
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| wathek | cause I don't understand I cannot get the Gesture working | 18:13 |
| wathek | :( | 18:13 |
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| djszapi | thiago: Actually the same with -Wno-psabi | 18:17 |
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| thiago | the note about va_list is still there? | 18:18 |
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| djszapi | thiago: seems that went away which means they were different issues: http://paste.kde.org/6552/ | 18:19 |
| thiago | like I told you | 18:19 |
| thiago | 16:56 < thiago> djszapi: the error is caused by you having forgotten -march=armv7-a | 18:20 |
| thiago | you don't pay attention when I tell you stuff, right? | 18:20 |
| djszapi | ohh, I thought it can be solved with the other option. | 18:20 |
| djszapi | but it seems both are needed. | 18:21 |
| thiago | 16:55 < thiago> djszapi: that note from gcc is annoying as hell. Just add -Wno-psabi | 18:21 |
| thiago | I did tell you to add both | 18:21 |
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| djszapi | yeah, sorry I misunderstood it. | 18:21 |
| djszapi | then file a bug against cmake developers, definitely. | 18:21 |
| djszapi | or at least asking on their mailing list. | 18:21 |
| thiago | ok | 18:22 |
| djszapi | it should be really hided internally. | 18:22 |
| thiago | yes, like Stskeeps said, the compiler should have it by default | 18:22 |
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| thiago | but I think MeeGo sets it in the environment | 18:22 |
| thiago | neither cmake nor qmake honour the environment | 18:22 |
| djszapi | thiago: should I add you in the 'CC' ? | 18:23 |
| thiago | no | 18:24 |
| djszapi | k | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | softfp gcc causes cmake to need CXXFLAGS with -march=armv7-a set | 18:24 |
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| thiago | he should be using the hardfp one | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | (1.1.90 is softfp right now), no "armv7hl" in the image name | 18:25 |
| thiago | oh | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | will hopefully be armv7hl very soon now. QA reported no noticable difference in bugs/new bugs between softfp and hardfp | 18:26 |
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| djszapi | thiago: I do not know how other kde projects were compiled on meego arm then. When does it happen ? | 18:34 |
| thiago | what's "it" that you want to know the time of it happenning? | 18:34 |
| djszapi | Error: selected processor does not support `ldrex r4,[r3]' etc | 18:35 |
| thiago | that's an error | 18:35 |
| djszapi | btw: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_Cross_Compiling -> * CMake cannot autodetect the target system | 18:35 |
| thiago | it happens when you compile code with the wrong processor architecture | 18:35 |
| thiago | your Qt was compiled for ARMv6 or later | 18:36 |
| djszapi | right | 18:37 |
| djszapi | interesting, this project builds just fine in fremantle scratchbox tho., is it managed by scratxhbox there then ? | 18:40 |
| thiago | yes | 18:40 |
| djszapi | that is armv6 iirc | 18:40 |
| djszapi | so is it a meego image bug then ? | 18:41 |
| thiago | no | 18:41 |
| djszapi | couldn't it be handled from the meego image by default ? | 18:41 |
| djszapi | like sb does. | 18:41 |
| thiago | I thought madde did it | 18:41 |
| thiago | your buildsystem didn't pick up the settings though, or it bypassed madde | 18:42 |
| djszapi | well what I did is just 1) Download 2) mic-chroot 3) git clone 4) build | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | his environment doesn't have proper CXXFLAGS exported like OBS does it (he's ignoring me for some reason, so please state he needs to export proper CXXFLAGS= for that to work) | 18:44 |
| djszapi | I do not use any madde. | 18:44 |
| thiago | djszapi: you should use madde and pay attention to what Stskeeps is saying | 18:44 |
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| thiago | djszapi: if you don't want to use madde, then set the proper flags to the proper compiler yourself | 18:45 |
| djszapi | thiago: there is no madde inside the image. | 18:45 |
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| thiago | no, there isn't | 18:46 |
| thiago | madde is in the SDK | 18:46 |
| djszapi | yes. | 18:46 |
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| djszapi | I am not sure that is a more mature way to do it..how stable/working is that ? | 18:46 |
| thiago | pretty good | 18:46 |
| djszapi | what is the drawback compared to this image way ? | 18:47 |
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| thiago | it's meant for compiling Qt-based applications | 18:48 |
| thiago | it won't have all the devel packages, just those that Qt-based apps most often need | 18:48 |
| djszapi | so cannot I cmake there ? | 18:49 |
| djszapi | * use | 18:49 |
| thiago | I don't know, I've never tried | 18:49 |
| djszapi | oh well | 18:49 |
| carstenek | djszapi: export CXXFLAGS="-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security -fmessage-length=0 -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mlittle-endian -mfpu=vfpv3 -mfloat-abi=softfp -D__SOFTFP__" (maybe CFLAGS too) before running cmake, like is being done in https://build.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=meegotouch-applauncherd&project=Trunk&repository=standard . You | 18:51 |
| djszapi | my problem is more like that I should warn each developer to use the toolchain file or some cmake variable explicitely, that is why this toolchain file way is a bit tricky. If I were the only developer it could work. | 18:51 |
| thiago | carstenek: if he wants to ignore you, it's his problem | 18:51 |
| carstenek | thiago: it gets a bit annoying after seeing him ask over and over again for several days when you give the answer right away :) | 18:52 |
| thiago | djszapi: then fix the toolchain | 18:52 |
| thiago | carstenek: kick him out for not harassing the channel | 18:52 |
| thiago | s/not // | 18:52 |
| infobot | thiago meant: carstenek: kick him out for harassing the channel | 18:52 |
| djszapi | thiago: what do you mean ? | 18:52 |
| thiago | djszapi: Stskeeps was giving you the answer. Did you try it? | 18:52 |
| djszapi | not yet. | 18:53 |
| thiago | why not? | 18:53 |
| djszapi | I am checking that link... | 18:53 |
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| djszapi | btw, that long post is broken here. | 18:56 |
| thiago | how about the other times he told you stuff to do? | 18:56 |
| djszapi | nothing after this: "...https://build.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=meegotouch-applauncherd&project=Trunk&repository=standard . You" | 18:56 |
| carstenek | never mind the rest of the comment. the first part is what matters. | 18:57 |
| djszapi | well if he does not piss me off, sure. | 18:57 |
| djszapi | last time I asked something about meego building and I was sent away. | 18:57 |
| thiago | djszapi: you ignore people under your own peril. | 18:57 |
| thiago | djszapi: if you don't see an answer because you ignored a person, that's your problem. | 18:58 |
| thiago | you don't get to ask again and again, if an answer was given. | 18:58 |
| djszapi | thiago: it is not a problem for me. | 18:58 |
| djszapi | someone else will help, I am fine with that. | 18:58 |
| thiago | no | 18:58 |
| thiago | if someone gave you the answer, you act on it | 18:58 |
| djszapi | how if I do not see that ? | 18:58 |
| thiago | this includes people you ignored. | 18:58 |
| thiago | not my problem | 18:58 |
| thiago | you will act on it | 18:58 |
| thiago | if you ignore answers, you'll be kicked for harassing | 18:59 |
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| djszapi | that is also harrassing if I ask something meego related building and I am sent away. | 18:59 |
| thiago | I don't know what happened before | 19:00 |
| thiago | all I know is that you were ignoring Stskeeps's answer | 19:00 |
| djszapi | true | 19:00 |
| carstenek | djszapi: long story short: last time you contacted me in private message you acted very rudely to being told exactly the right solution for a problem and being asked to ask the question publically. | 19:02 |
| carstenek | djszapi: you're working with MeeGo ARM stuff, which is my area of work and i'm helping people that ask in public channels about this. | 19:02 |
| djszapi | thiago: the export did not solve the issue though... | 19:02 |
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| thiago | djszapi: then it looks like cmake doesn't honour that setting | 19:03 |
| carstenek | djszapi: so how about we get past this unproductive stuff and listen to this as it will save us both very much time? | 19:03 |
| djszapi | carstenek: yeah, I was like that and I tried to do it the right way then | 19:03 |
| djszapi | but I got offensive answers all the time then. | 19:03 |
| djszapi | I did not see the change on your side and the last when I asked about meego building I was just sent away by you immediately. | 19:04 |
| thiago | offensive answers should be avoided regardless | 19:04 |
| djszapi | and I think it was not fair by any mean. | 19:04 |
| thiago | but you do seem to ignore questions and not pay attention to what you're being told | 19:04 |
| carstenek | djszapi: ok, what did you consider offensive? | 19:04 |
| thiago | this is not of today | 19:04 |
| carstenek | djszapi: we have public logs and i think we should get over this. | 19:04 |
| djszapi | thiago: I did not get any solution answer :) | 19:04 |
| djszapi | thiago: still the same :p | 19:04 |
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| thiago | djszapi: tell cmake to pass the -march=armv7-a flag to the compiler | 19:05 |
| thiago | that's your answer | 19:05 |
| djszapi | carstenek: also it was not fair sometimes on #meego.fi either. | 19:05 |
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| djszapi | thiago: yeah, toolchain file... | 19:05 |
| djszapi | but the problem is that all the developers should aware of that. | 19:05 |
| thiago | yes | 19:05 |
| thiago | which means it's a toolchain problem | 19:05 |
| djszapi | still not handy like in case sb :p | 19:06 |
| thiago | or, more to the point: Qt has hardcoded instructions to use ARMv6 instructions | 19:06 |
| thiago | qmake is configured to know to pass the flag | 19:06 |
| thiago | everything else that uses Qt needs to know that too | 19:06 |
| djszapi | yes, but I would be more glad about hiding it from the developer :o | 19:07 |
| thiago | so teach cmake to extract the info from qmake and use it | 19:07 |
| djszapi | so propose something to the cmake developers. | 19:08 |
| thiago | yes, you should propose something to them | 19:08 |
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| thiago | or wait for Qt 4.8. This particular problem will not happen there. | 19:09 |
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| Ans5i | cool, looks like problem is untangling itself. | 19:10 |
| thiago | Qt 4.8 detects at runtime the compiler option and uses the appropriate instructions | 19:10 |
| thiago | so the error won't happen | 19:10 |
| thiago | however, if you don't pass -march=armv7-a, then you won't get thread-safe code | 19:10 |
| djszapi | thiago: mmh... | 19:10 |
| djszapi | so toolchain workaround till Qt 4.8 | 19:11 |
| thiago | you'll get the unsafe ARMv5 or v6 code | 19:11 |
| thiago | no | 19:11 |
| djszapi | oh? | 19:11 |
| thiago | the toolchain still needs to be fixed. See what I've just said. | 19:11 |
| thiago | I'm saying that in 4.8 it wouldn't error out. But it would still be wrong. | 19:11 |
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| djszapi | yes. | 19:13 |
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| djszapi | and also, it is Qt solution only, cmake is not just for Qt products. | 19:13 |
| andre__ | djszapi: and everybody knows that, so talk to the cmake folks | 19:14 |
| djszapi | yes. | 19:15 |
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| gabrbedd | djszapi: I'm coming to the conversation late... but... I've heard that (historically) the Qt devs have told the CMake devs *not* to use qmake to detect Qt's build parameters. IIRC, they were told to use pkg-config. | 19:22 |
| djszapi | ooh... | 19:23 |
| djszapi | I have already posted it :p | 19:23 |
| djszapi | I can ask it from them, ty. | 19:23 |
| thiago | gabrbedd: right, we did | 19:23 |
| thiago | gabrbedd: but cmake and KDE devs were stubborn and refused to use pkg-config | 19:23 |
| thiago | for good reason, though: it's crap outside Unix | 19:23 |
| gabrbedd | djszapi: Anyway... I think it helps to explain why thiago is "over it" when it comes to CMake's behavior. | 19:24 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: FULL ACK | 19:24 |
| thiago | pkg-config's cross-compilation support is also lacking | 19:24 |
| RST38h | And qmake sucks in general | 19:24 |
| thiago | last I checked, all distributions carry a patch to make it work. There has been no release containing the fix. | 19:24 |
| thiago | RST38h: yeah, granted too. | 19:24 |
| RST38h | Quietly skipping source files that conditionally include themselves,for example | 19:24 |
| thiago | why would anything include itself? | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | for example, a multi-format display driver including itself with various #define BPP* values | 19:26 |
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| thiago | that's really weird | 19:27 |
| * gabrbedd prefers CMake to qmake. But qmake is nice if you have a small, Qt-only project. | 19:27 | |
| thiago | both on the source and the qmake bug | 19:27 |
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| * RST38h prefers plain make,gmake at worst | 19:27 | |
| thiago | anyway, qmake is known to be limited. A replacement would be nice. | 19:27 |
| thiago | RST38h: not the same kind of software. | 19:27 |
| djszapi | gabrbedd: cmake works just fine for small qt project tho. | 19:27 |
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| thiago | it's like comparing ls to midnight commander | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Builds me stuff, all I care about | 19:27 |
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| gabrbedd | djszapi: Yes, but `qmake -project` is just too freaking easy. :-) | 19:28 |
| djszapi | cmake ../ is shorter :p | 19:28 |
| djszapi | ahh you mean the generation | 19:29 |
| djszapi | sorry. | 19:29 |
| gabrbedd | djszapi: :-) | 19:29 |
| djszapi | well anyway.. let us the answers from the cmake developers :) | 19:30 |
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| djszapi | thiago: any estimation date about qt 4.8 ? | 19:30 |
| thiago | anywhere from may to october | 19:32 |
| thiago | we'd like to have it ready by meego 1.3 | 19:32 |
| djszapi | okay. | 19:34 |
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| bunk | thiago: "by" = "shipped in" ? | 19:36 |
| djszapi | prior to meego 1.3 | 19:36 |
| djszapi | or at last that. | 19:36 |
| lcuk | thiago, if the 4.8 QSocket stuff supports multicast implicitly (which afaik it will) it means that a standard Qt OpenSoundControl implementation can be made | 19:37 |
| thiago | bunk: yes | 19:37 |
| lcuk | (at the moment, a non-qt library must be linked and is usually OS dependent) | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: just curious... what are you using OSC for? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, the original onedotzero identity uses the N900 as the control device | 19:39 |
| lcuk | and a lot of visual creatives use OSC to control/manage the machine clusters for shows and stuff | 19:40 |
| lcuk | its a big thing on different platforms :) | 19:40 |
| lcuk | being able to use it on meego would be good | 19:40 |
| lcuk | :) | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I glanced thru the bugreport(s), what do you want me to do? | 19:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: it's pretty big in the audio world, too. I wasn't sure who else was using it. | 19:41 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you said nothing was getting done, I merely showed you one place specifically where it is | 19:41 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: In fact, I plan to package liblo in OBS. | 19:41 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I use it on here too: http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG | 19:42 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, good, when I started on maemo it was not available and had to push to extras | 19:42 |
| lcuk | but that has its own problems in meego | 19:42 |
| lcuk | since that app uses Ad-hoc | 19:42 |
| lcuk | so that sketching and drawing can work wherever | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I surely won't spam this chan with repeating my take n that, which I know isn't appreciated here | 19:42 |
| lcuk | without a central network | 19:42 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, meh, was tryingto help show you more positive things | 19:43 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, add to the ITP http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 19:43 |
| * thiago decides to submit a talk to the meego conference | 19:43 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Well, I've actually already packaged liblo for MeeGo... but it's in our own private repo. | 19:44 |
| gabrbedd | ...and it doesn't use YAML. | 19:44 |
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| thiago | let's see if I can find out to submit without searching for the link | 19:44 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, what do you guys use it for? | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: general kernel and system design rationale regarding power management is one thing, the GUI paradigm and targeted users is another. I'm still not interested in it, it's not as good as iPhone, and even if it was... I don't want an iPhone, I want a tablet | 19:47 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, then show how you would make one | 19:47 |
| lcuk | do some layouts, let people know how it might work etc | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well not a tablet, rather a micro PC with phone | 19:47 |
| lcuk | meego can be built on | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I don't see the target. Get a N950 with capacitive TP? MEH! | 19:48 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how about build something for all devices? | 19:49 |
| djszapi | gabrbedd: btw, I do not see any obstacle for qmake -project like operation in case cmake either, if it is not implemented, couldn't it be just done ? :) | 19:49 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: It's a required lib for some of the apps... don't remember which ones. I think maybe Mixxx, QMidiCtrl... not sure what else. | 19:49 |
| RST38h | Doc: rightnow,you are not even getting an n950, so I do not see what all the fuss is about | 19:49 |
| RST38h | When N950 is out, you will complain. No reason to do it in advance. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I think my notion on that has been obvious: there's simply no one.-size-fits-all on embedded | 19:49 |
| gabrbedd | djszapi: sure! But I'm not doing it. :-) | 19:50 |
| djszapi | :p | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: right! and bye | 19:50 |
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| djszapi | thiago: fyi: cxxflags does not take effect on the compilation even tho. I made an rm -rf * in the shallow build dir. | 19:54 |
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| thiago | djszapi: how did you tell cmake to use it? | 19:58 |
| djszapi | how should I ? I did nothing, just drop it into the ~/.bashrc and then the command 'bash'. | 19:58 |
| thiago | I thought we had established that cmake is not picking it up from the environment | 19:59 |
| djszapi | export is right | 19:59 |
| thiago | tell cmake to pass it to the compiler | 19:59 |
| djszapi | * output | 19:59 |
| djszapi | yes, but it ends up by my oiriginal toolchain file idea then... | 19:59 |
| djszapi | which means there is no need for export. | 20:00 |
| thiago | yes | 20:00 |
| djszapi | right. | 20:00 |
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| * lcuk notes xcode IDE is very much a mouse based IDE | 22:04 | |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: okay... i've managed to get something that boots, making the image with raw and moving the filesystem into place (loop apparently has bugs regarding setuid)...but it just sits there @ X..weren't you able to get handset running on Joggler? | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh wait nm | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | there it is | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | wow | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 22:04 |
| npm_ | lcuk: works fine on meego : http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/12/x86_64/repoview/oscpack-devel.html | 22:04 |
| lcuk | npm_, it might work specifically in MeeGo - there are quite a number of OSC implementations around | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | what was important however was having one written directly using Qt (and hopefully down the line includable) | 22:06 |
| lcuk | so that people who use ovi or appup to distribute apps can be included | 22:06 |
| lcuk | since the brainfart of external dependencies etc | 22:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what's with the orange red borders around everything in handset? | 22:07 |
| berndhs | TSCHAKeee: maemo virus ? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | ewwww the xcode ide requires seperate Interface Builder app? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, file a bug re theme uglyness | 22:08 |
| lcuk | there are theme issues anyway | 22:08 |
| * TSCHAKeee sighs that people honestly don't understand how powerful Interface Builder is compared to everything else, but okay. | 22:08 | |
| lcuk | sabotage already mentioned there are 2 branches for what might be the same thing | 22:09 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, IDE == Integrated Development Environment | 22:09 |
| lcuk | not, load this app for one thing | 22:09 |
| lcuk | that app for another | 22:09 |
| lcuk | etc | 22:09 |
| lcuk | Integration is the key. | 22:09 |
| * TSCHAKeee rolls his fucking eyes | 22:10 | |
| lcuk | (however making it seamless however the components go together is fine) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:10 |
| javispedro | WP7 also has a separate designer these days -- expression | 22:10 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, have you tried using the mac IDE on touchscreen btw? | 22:10 |
| javispedro | however, it resembles something like adobe flash more than a traditional UI designer. | 22:10 |
| lcuk | javispedro, ? really?! | 22:11 |
| lcuk | I thought everything was inside VS | 22:11 |
| * TSCHAKeee worked with a fellow to create smalltalk objects that work entirely within Interface Builder...something YOU CAN'T do anywhere else (except in GNUstep coincidentally) | 22:11 | |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, iknorite? | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: no, I haven't. | 22:11 |
| lcuk | looking at the videos and overviews of it | 22:12 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yep ("expression blend 4") | 22:12 |
| lcuk | it certainly explains why there isn't one for ipad | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, they want you to dev ipad apps on the mac | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | i hate apple for a lot of reasons | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | but not for the tech they brought in from NeXT | 22:12 |
| lcuk | i meant to dev * apps | 22:12 |
| * TSCHAKeee is an ex NeXT software dev | 22:12 | |
| javispedro | someone should make a screenshot of qt creator editing qt creator itself running inside a meego handset device | 22:13 |
| javispedro | "true on device development" ;) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | javispedro, sure, but it is similarly not comfortable on touch | 22:13 |
| * lcuk continues watching | 22:14 | |
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| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, it's unfortunate that they only seem to be trending down these days. | 22:32 |
| * GAN900 throws up a little at the Lion preview. | 22:32 | |
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| Stskeeps | lion? | 22:32 |
| javispedro | osx 10.7 | 22:33 |
| GAN900 | Mac iOS X 10.7 | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:34 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, hi | 22:35 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: managed to get it bootable using -f raw | 22:36 |
| vgrade | sorry I left you a bit in the lurch lst night | 22:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | -f loop and rsyncing messes up the setuid bit | 22:36 |
| vgrade | yes, I should have updated the ks, Stskeeps suggested that raw was causing me issues | 22:36 |
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| vgrade | so you have recent handset build now | 22:37 |
| javispedro | GAN900: getting enraged with all the new UI guidelines breaking applications? | 22:37 |
| vgrade | sorry thet loop was causing issues | 22:38 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, iOS on my Mac Pro is the opposite of what I want. Apple really has become a consumer electronics company. | 22:43 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the latest ui is completely unusable | 22:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | for handset | 22:56 |
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| TSCHAKeee | launch an app, close it, meegotouchhome is now gone | 22:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | when stuff is on screen though, it is silky smooth at least | 22:57 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, you are not on n900 are you? | 22:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | not in this case, I am trying to build something for my joggler | 22:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | so it can run orbiter etc | 22:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i went with handset because of meegotouch | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | so i can set up the wireless ap etc | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: anything in .xsession-errors? | 23:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: no segfaults, but tons and tons and tons of errors | 23:04 |
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