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| kitestudent | Hi X-Fade, I try to get access to the community OBS. The Wiki says you are the one to ask? | 00:01 |
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| CosmoHill | kitestudent: hi, do you intend to use the OBS only for open source software and do you have an account on meego.com? | 00:02 |
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| jonnor | jasonlife: if you have the sources, just build it on Meego :) | 00:04 |
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| kitestudent | CosmoHill: Yes, I'm student at FH-SWF. We are working with gumstix Overo Fire. Meego is my choice for doing Image processing. So I want to provide a patched Kernel for Overo fire with OBS | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | the kernel is part of the core which you won't be able to affect from the OBS | 00:05 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm unfamiliar with the process of submiting a patch | 00:06 |
| kitestudent | CosmoHill, ah okay.... whats the way to provide an up to date kernel for a different device. | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | is it a ARM device? | 00:07 |
| kitestudent | ... I thought it would be easy if the kernel can be installed to meego by selecting a package from repository with kickstart file.... is that the wrong way? | 00:08 |
| kitestudent | yes it's omap3 ARM | 00:08 |
| CosmoHill | I'm getting out of my depth here, maybe lbt can help | 00:08 |
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| CosmoHill | you might be interested in #meego-arm | 00:08 |
| kitestudent | :-D okay.... thanks.... so can you give me a short statement what i am able to build with community OBS? | 00:09 |
| jonnor | kitestudent: yes, you can build a custom kernel using OBS and use that package for your images | 00:09 |
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| kitestudent | hi jonner, how does it work? Did I need access to OBS or Community OBS? | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | kitestudent: if you tell X-Fade your meego.com account he should be able to get you one | 00:11 |
| kitestudent | CosmoHill, okay, can I use the account for both OBS? | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | you register on meego.com and then your account is enabled on OBS when you ask nicely :) | 00:13 |
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| kitestudent | CosmoHill, okay thanks..... so it seems that X-Fade is not here right now ;-) | 00:16 |
| kitestudent | time to wait | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | ~seen X-Fade | 00:17 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #meego (3h 53m 35s), last said: 'Nah, is documented. And USB->ttl convertor is $2 on ebay :)'. | 00:17 |
| kitestudent | :-D | 00:18 |
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| thiago | it should say "dude, that person is in this channel" | 00:18 |
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| CosmoHill | thiago along with 490 other people, all engaged in active conversation :p | 00:19 |
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| lardman | me considers looking at an 80MB kernel diff | 00:21 |
| lardman | me should also consider using / | 00:21 |
| CosmoHill | when you say looking, you mean vim? | 00:21 |
| lardman | probably gedit | 00:22 |
| lardman | but more of a look and decide what needs to be used | 00:22 |
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| berndhs | lardman: what are you looking for in the 80 M ? | 00:29 |
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| lardman | berndhs: planning to either backport xinput2 stuff to 2.6.32.9 or better port the relevant Samsung stuff in that 80MB patch forward to the current Meego kernel (2.6.37.2?) | 00:36 |
| gabrbedd | lardman: both sound very un-phun. | 00:38 |
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| lardman | yeah, might take some effort, really depends what is mainlined now | 00:39 |
| lardman | so I need to sit down and compare the diffs, etc., but not something for this time of the evening | 00:39 |
| gabrbedd | lardman: I haven't seen the samsung patch... but you'll probably have fewer headaches trying to backport the kernel's MT stuff. | 00:40 |
| thiago | xinput2 is at the X level | 00:40 |
| thiago | it just needs the kernel to produce the MT information | 00:40 |
| thiago | I thought 2.6.32 had it | 00:40 |
| lardman | thiago: someone said it was around .35/36 | 00:40 |
| lardman | but I don't know | 00:41 |
| thiago | I think it's a new protocol | 00:41 |
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| thiago | but I'm pretty sure the mtev driver in X can read both in | 00:41 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: dunno. There was some stuff added around .36 that's part of the kernel's new MT protocal. | 00:41 |
| lardman | I'll have to take a look at the Tab touchscreen driver vs the N900 one which is working, see what they produce | 00:41 |
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| gabrbedd | In the kernel, the mtdev input driver was specifically hijacking 3 or 4 specific devices. | 00:43 |
| gabrbedd | But I don't think the mtdev logic was rocket science to adapt to a new device. | 00:44 |
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| gabrbedd | and the samsung's touch device may already be part of it. | 00:44 |
| gabrbedd | i.e. I think thiago's right (as usual) and mtdev is the path of least resistance. | 00:45 |
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| lardman | mtev? | 00:47 |
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| lardman | or is it mtdev? | 00:47 |
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| lardman | yeah mtev, is that the same thing? | 00:48 |
| gabrbedd | lardman: I've seen them mixed interchangeably. But I yeah, mtev and mtdev are more or less the same thing. | 00:48 |
| gabrbedd | lardman: However, one may be the kernel name and the other the xorg name | 00:48 |
| lardman | ah, but not quite apparently, ok, I was wondering if it was a typo | 00:48 |
| lardman | ok | 00:48 |
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| gabrbedd | I never really had clarity on the oft-missing d. | 00:49 |
| lardman | :) | 00:49 |
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| gabrbedd | When you have the kernel driver installed, there's a device called /dev/intput/mtev (or mtdev). | 00:51 |
| gabrbedd | The xf86-input-mtdev driver sees this, and takes control of it. | 00:51 |
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| gabrbedd | errr... listens to it. | 00:52 |
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| gabrbedd | lardman: Now, how the messages get processed by Qt... I don't know how that works. :-) | 00:54 |
| lardman | yeah, all seems to be a bit of a black art :) | 00:55 |
| lardman | but I know that the N900 works, so plan to copy the setup there and see where I can get to | 00:55 |
| lardman | well it has touch at least, who knows about mt | 00:55 |
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| gabrbedd | lardman: If the VENDOR:DEVICE id for your touchscreen is already in the kernel driver/patch, then chances are you'll have an easy road. | 01:02 |
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| lardman | I've generated a diff of the samsung tarball vs the vanilla kernel | 01:07 |
| lardman | so I'll have a look and see what of that is now in mainline, if anything, and also what looks necessary | 01:07 |
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| lardman | catch you all tomorrow, bed time | 01:12 |
| lardman | night | 01:12 |
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| ngharo | anyone else running meego on a google cr-48? | 01:37 |
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| Venemo | ngharo: what is a google cr-48? | 01:41 |
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| ngharo | laptop pilot hardware google gave out originally running that crummy chromeos ;) | 01:42 |
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| pierce | ngharo: are you running meego on it? | 01:51 |
| pierce | ngharo: curious to know how it runs | 01:51 |
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| pierce | lbt: hey there | 01:54 |
| lbt | hey pierce | 01:55 |
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| lbt | just gotten in from a ski course | 01:55 |
| pierce | nifty, so you aren't logged in from you phone while going down the mountain? | 01:56 |
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| ngharo | pierce: yes i am. It runs great. | 02:07 |
| pierce | nifty | 02:07 |
| pierce | bummed that I missed the beta | 02:07 |
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| pierce | I guess I assumed that it would go forever, and was just too lazy to sign up :-p | 02:07 |
| ngharo | i'm working on kernel mods to enable the GPS and 3G inside | 02:07 |
| pierce | oh nice | 02:08 |
| pierce | what kind of 3g hardware does it have in it? | 02:08 |
| pierce | also did the cr-48 come with free 3g service? | 02:09 |
| ngharo | Bus 001 Device 012: ID 1410:a010 Novatel Wireless | 02:09 |
| ngharo | 3g and gps both on that device | 02:09 |
| ngharo | yep, free 100mb of 3g per month | 02:09 |
| ngharo | i actually have gps working already by compiling the chromium kernel and running it | 02:10 |
| pierce | 100mb ? that's like 3 hours of browsing reddit | 02:10 |
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| ngharo | but i'm afraid it's got crummy btrfs support | 02:10 |
| ngharo | though, it could just be btrfs that is crummy in general from what i'm seeing :/ | 02:10 |
| pierce | sadly that might be closer to the truth | 02:11 |
| pierce | it has potential :-D | 02:11 |
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| ngharo | the free space quirks are killing me | 02:11 |
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| ngharo | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 02:12 |
| ngharo | /dev/sda2 15G 9.3G 3.8G 72% / | 02:12 |
| ngharo | bleh. | 02:12 |
| ngharo | i'll get out of space errors within a couple hundred megs no doubt | 02:12 |
| pierce | to the cloud! | 02:12 |
| ngharo | i did a btrfs balance last night which brought df numbers in line with real usage | 02:13 |
| ngharo | but an hour later and they were fucked up again | 02:13 |
| pierce | how long did the balance take? | 02:13 |
| ngharo | not long (small SSD) | 02:13 |
| ngharo | 20 mins maybe | 02:13 |
| ngharo | im going to be tar'ing up my root and formatting to ext4 | 02:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | damn, did nobody answer my question? or did it scroll off? | 02:41 |
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| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: scrolled off | 02:45 |
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| TSCHAKeee | oop sorry, CosmoHill, can you paste in privmsg? | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | I mean your question scrolled off | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | and why don't you look at the public logs? | 02:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | hmm good question | 02:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | did'nt know we had | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | it's the 3rd thing in the topic | 02:47 |
| pixelgeek1 | Here's a question that my Google fu is not revealing an answer to - Is is possible to boot MeeGo without X from the USB image? Maybe by changing the options on the Boot MeeGo line? | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | pixelgeek1: replace "quiet" with "3" | 02:48 |
| pixelgeek1 | perfect. | 02:48 |
| pixelgeek1 | thank you. | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | this will boot Meego into run level 3 which doesn't load X, this run level also has greater hardware support | 02:48 |
| pixelgeek1 | :( | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | run level 5 is regular X and run level 4 is the installer | 02:48 |
| pixelgeek1 | Unfortunately I'm still getting a bunch of error messages. | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | brb | 02:49 |
| pixelgeek1 | I knew that was what I was looking for - just didn't know the right incantation. | 02:49 |
| ngharo | what is it failing on? | 02:49 |
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| pixelgeek1 | ngharo: I'd rather not say right now :) | 02:51 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:04 |
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| pixelgeek1 | Thanks CosmoHill - 'night! | 03:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | argh | 03:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | would be nice if someone answered my question someday | 03:31 |
| berndhs | TSCHAKeee: yeah | 03:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've got packages that are built in OBS | 03:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | and ready | 03:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | am I the only person on the planet to have attempted this? | 03:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | how am I supposed to use them? | 03:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | am I expected to fetch them with getbinaries? | 03:31 |
| berndhs | you install the repo with "zypper ar myrepofile.repo" | 03:32 |
| berndhs | then you can install your packages | 03:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | where can I get the repo file? | 03:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | i have all my packages under home:tschak909 | 03:34 |
| berndhs | its in the tree of home:/yourname close to the top | 03:34 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, sec | 03:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | nope, all i have under my osc checked out copy | 03:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | is my folders that I uploaded | 03:35 |
| berndhs | here somewhere http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/... | 03:36 |
| berndhs | there is tschak909 and tschak909:, dont know which is the right one | 03:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | just tschak909 | 03:36 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, see http://www.madeo.co.uk/?page_id=605, for an example of how to pull down packages from repo.pub.meego.com | 03:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: thank you | 03:38 |
| vgrade | np, sorry I did not see your previous question | 03:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: the pattern you upload via osc, is that the same as patterns.xml? | 03:39 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, my only experiance of patterns is when bulding images with mic and they are used to pull in multiple packages ie MeeGo Core etc | 03:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup i know | 03:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | i was just wanting to make a @Pluto Orbiter pattern, but that's okay | 03:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 03:42 |
| vgrade | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/package-groups/trees/60208845e2531b9dfb2e8d4ffbd37e6a4f811516, looks like it may help you | 03:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks | 03:44 |
| vgrade | np | 03:45 |
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| lolloo | 1.2 awesome! how do I install it on my N900? | 04:11 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey TSCHAKeee, I really enjoyed your demo and booth at SCALE. The major benefit of meatspace meetings is serendipity. | 04:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | Alison_Chaiken: indeed. I enjoyed meeting you as well. | 04:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Speaking of which, my BoF for the April Embedded Linux Con is accepted, if not yet actually scheduled. Anyone else planning to be there? And want to give a presentation or discuss? | 04:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | my schedule is open; Quim stopped by the booth and asked me to submit something for the MeeGo Summit...when is it? | 04:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | TSCHAKeee: May 23-25th | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://sf2011.meego.com/ | 05:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh i know about the summit | 05:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | she was talking about something else. | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://meego.com/community/events/2011/meego-summit-fi-2011 ? | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why doesn't the registration form have a field for "student" . . . | 05:10 |
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| npm | documents "meegolem" hack as bug: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14129 | 05:56 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 14129 maj, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, DumbUser says "MeeGo is broken I can't watch my videos, hear my music, or receive podcasts and there | 05:56 |
| ieatlint | anybody know which package in meego provides libQtMultimedia.so? | 05:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: can I get the latest ks you're using for the joggler? | 06:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it seems the file paths have changed since the last time you changed the one on bug10738 | 06:01 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 06:01 |
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| gabrbedd | ieatlint: libqtmultimediakit1 has libQtMultimediaKit.so.1 | 06:07 |
| gabrbedd | ieatlint: I'm not sure if it's the same thing you're looking for, though. | 06:07 |
| ieatlint | hmmm.. maybe, but the name change is causing a linker to fail then | 06:08 |
| ieatlint | ah, i've figured it out | 06:09 |
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| ieatlint | qtmultimedia is not part of qt-mobility on meego | 06:09 |
| ieatlint | i think | 06:09 |
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| gabrbedd | ieatlint: yep. looks like qt-mobility. | 06:17 |
| gabrbedd | ieatlint: See http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/05/06/qt-47-scope-change-regarding-qt-multimedia/ | 06:17 |
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| jumentous | hi, so i'm trying to build an image of meego netbook from the kickstart file at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.90.5.20110301.7.ks | 06:44 |
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| jumentous | one of the groups that are requested in this file is @MeeGo Netbook Desktop which at http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/repos/oss/ia32/packages/repodata/group.xml contains the package moblin-gtk-engine | 06:46 |
| jumentous | however there is no package for this in the same repo | 06:46 |
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| jumentous | if i skip this group (i'd end up with an unusable desktop) but i get the same problem with X for Netbooks and libGL | 06:48 |
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| jumentous | neither of these files are reported in the build log at http://mirrors2.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.90.5.20110301.7.log | 06:49 |
| jumentous | what is happening here? | 06:49 |
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| midtomhu | hello everyone | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 08:29 |
| seungrye | hello.. too late? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 08:31 |
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| * TSCHAKeee happies, OBS built packages, and they install from the repo onto my meego laptop and run just fine | 08:38 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | andre: if you happen to be awake, please pong | 08:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | orbiter runs.. now am trying to build a handset image for joggler, so i can have some sort of meegotouch ui | 08:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, ali1234, on the subject of 'having components for everything', https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346405 | 08:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | the advantage of micro managing components is that there's no way anyone will manage to get bugs to the right place | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly we should be having a revamp mapping each package to a component | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | but not sure what happened to that | 08:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | was there some place i should have heard about that? | 08:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | (not that i actually pay attn to enough such places) | 08:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | i like the lag on that bug | 08:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | and the resolution | 08:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | 'notabug' | 08:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah, no. you can't call a crash notabug. you could use 'incomplete' or you could use 'worksforme' | 08:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | but calling it 'notabug' is rude | 08:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | (and a lie) | 08:48 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, will add it to my list, when do you need it? | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh, i think i am pushing ahead | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | don't worry | 09:10 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, there have been a number of EMGD updates commited in the last week or so including a libva fix. I may have a look at upgrading at the weekend | 09:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | cool | 09:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | i am working on the joggler and the archos9 as targets | 09:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i have orbiter now where it installs entirely as packages in mic2 | 09:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | now i just need to put together enough of a UI to properly configure the network without any external hardware | 09:13 |
| vgrade | cool, do you have pics, video? | 09:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: not yet | 09:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | as i said | 09:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | i need to get more of the system up so i don't have to connect 50,000 things to it | 09:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | otherwise it's more of the same | 09:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 09:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | i tried making a joggler stick, and it looks like it's just sitting at the O2 splash | 09:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | soooo god only knows what happened, so i am trying archos9 | 09:17 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, you bunziped before dd? | 09:55 |
| vgrade | I sometimes get the stick not to boot. | 09:55 |
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| vgrade | are you using a hsb hub | 09:56 |
| vgrade | usb | 09:56 |
| vgrade | I always remove power from the hub after powering down the Joggler | 09:57 |
| vgrade | seesm to make the boot more consistent | 09:57 |
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| djszapi | from dmesg: http://paste.kde.org/6438/ -> I do not see anything in the output of 'fdisk -l' after connecting the device to the host PC in mass storage mode, nor the N900 memory, nor even the mmc/sdcard partition table. What do I do wrong ? | 12:53 |
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| djszapi | from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) | 12:54 |
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| djszapi | mmh, I always get kernel panic if I try to reboot the N900 gadget even after a new 'dd' session with the meego handset version, what do I do wrong ? | 13:32 |
| djszapi | The sdcard/mmc was written from an external sd reader from the host PC. | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | you're ignoring me so i can't help you with that :) | 13:33 |
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| djszapi | Maemo5 boots just fine, but not the meego from the sdcard. | 13:36 |
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| djszapi | and I see exactly no output related to the Nokia gadget in the output of 'fdisk -l'. | 13:37 |
| djszapi | even the dmesg does not write anything wrong. | 13:37 |
| djszapi | I should at least see the internal memory... | 13:38 |
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| djszapi | and if I boot without the MMC/SDCARD I see the 29GB partition in a mass storage mode, no clue really... | 13:51 |
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| djszapi | is there any option to check the mmc from ubbot ? | 13:55 |
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| djszapi | that is the fsck stuff: http://paste.kde.org/6444/ | 14:02 |
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| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/6445/ -> what about this one ? | 14:16 |
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| timakima | we (meego-qa-tools) released a new video about the concept how our testing tools support manual testing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdXBqGdLz8I | 14:35 |
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| timoph | meego qa tools propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdXBqGdLz8I | 14:46 |
| timoph | enjoy :) | 14:46 |
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| timoph | timakima: oh. you already pasted it :) | 14:46 |
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| timakima | :) | 14:47 |
| lcukn900 | hands up who knows what happens to tech (router) if a plastic bag of clothes is left ontop of it? | 14:48 |
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| timoph | lcukn900: something funny? | 14:49 |
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| andre__ | lcukn900, "this thread is worthless without pics." | 14:49 |
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| lcukn900 | lol it outwardly had no problems but damn that was a hot router | 14:50 |
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| * lcukn900 going getting new one | 14:51 | |
| lcukn900 | because no light are on | 14:51 |
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| CosmoHill | you fried your router? | 14:51 |
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| icuv | o/ | 15:54 |
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| icuv | hi all. wondering if there's anyone here bored enough to talk a little meego/other alt netbook oses | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | morn gaojinl_ | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morn GAN900 | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | Is anyone else once again confused by the registration and hotel reservation setup? | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | Howdy, Stskeeps. | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: note it on mailing list asap ideally | 15:59 |
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| icuv | suppose the biggest thing i'm wanting to hear is say, the pros of going with meego over jolicloud? (aside from cloud stuff) | 16:01 |
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| icuv | not trolling or anything here. i've used both and i'd have thought i'd be able to answer my own question, but i'm still a little torn. anyone care to point out an advantage or two of meego for a non-dev? | 16:05 |
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| icuv | is this thing on? +v plz? | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, right. | 16:21 |
| icuv | right, well, you ladies and gents have yourselves a most excellent day. | 16:21 |
| icuv | o/ | 16:21 |
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| wathek | why do I have this QGestureManager::deliverEvent: could not find the target for gesture | 16:30 |
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| lcuk3 | routers are resiliant! the one that died earlier came back on after completely cooling down | 16:44 |
| * lcuk3 keeps the new one in its box | 16:44 | |
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| DawnFoster | thiagoss - ping | 16:51 |
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| thiagoss | DawnFoster, hm? | 16:52 |
| DawnFoster | hey - can you add the proposal deadline to the meego-dev post? | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i think you mean another thiago :) | 16:53 |
| DawnFoster | oh, sorry - I thought the other thiago was messing with his nick again :) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | tell me what to add, i was about to send it out for him as he's in the air at the moment | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | provided amy's post is read | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | er, ready | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: sweet, thanks - just add something about proposals being due by 11:59 pm Pacific Time on mArch 18 | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 16:56 |
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| ruik | Hi all. I want to ask if kind of remote wipe feature is planned for 1.2 release. | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ruik: i guess you could implement one if you really wanted :) | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i've come to the conclusion not to include the actual CfP in the mail, agree/disagree? | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | it would look cluttered/mixed up together with the text so | 16:57 |
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| DawnFoster | agreed - link is fine | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | sending then | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the daily testing reports moved to RSS, but I have lost the feed, do you have a link | 17:00 |
| ruik | Stskeeps: heh ok | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: can't recall | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Core ahh is one I believe | 17:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: is the 0301 snapshot of handset completely broken? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: n900 or which? | 17:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | sorry, i'm testing on i586 | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no clue | 17:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | qa-reports.meego.com | 17:09 |
| * TSCHAKeee is doing something gonzo, so it's probably him | 17:09 | |
| Stskeeps | check anyway | 17:09 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, the 0228 image at least would not boot at all | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | for handset or netbook | 17:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: i am getting that too | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | bug 13956 | 17:10 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13956 maj, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, [Trunk:testing][REG] Pinetrail Handset and Netbook Images do not boot from USB | 17:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup that would be it | 17:10 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 17:11 | |
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| GAN900 | GMail SMTP failure in Modest. Big surprise. | 17:23 |
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| sivang | hi al | 17:42 |
| sivang | all | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 17:43 |
| sivang | do hope to be sponsored participants need to reserve lodging? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, that didn't parse | 17:43 |
| sivang | also, Hyatt Regency is the hotel where the conference is taking place right? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm personally taking another hotel | 17:44 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: closer to beach? | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | take a look at the hotel location, it doesn't get much closer to water | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | nah, somewhere cheaper | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: we sent already | 17:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is this because mrs Keeps is with you? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: that too | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | and the fact we're travelling around the US from 14-28th may | 17:48 |
| * sivang wonders what to choose on the lodging menu that you can't workaround | 17:48 | |
| sivang | maybe no lodging? | 17:49 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: thanks for posting | 17:49 |
| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps - will be a great adventure for you guys! :D | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: np, seems like it was one person per list.. one for events, one for dev, one for community ;) | 17:50 |
| GAN900 | sivang, just sent an email to -community about that. | 17:50 |
| thiago | that's how we did before | 17:50 |
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| sivang | right... and I don't have a printer as well. | 17:51 |
| sivang | neat usability for the regiteratio site :) | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | pdf? | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, did you notice the daily images for handset/netbook are not showing pinetrail on the images page | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | yet again disappointed dietary restrictions doesn't contain "bacon" | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you cannot restrict bacon! | 17:55 |
| sivang | GAN900: so yes, the most suboptimal solution as just proposed by Amy, I replied onto the list | 17:55 |
| lcuk | you can add it as a dietary supliment to every meal though! | 17:55 |
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| sivang | GAN900: I chose 'no lodging' so far | 17:56 |
| lcuk | linuxy question: before gtk, what did people build apps using? | 17:56 |
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| sivang | lcuk: they did not :-p | 17:56 |
| sivang | wxwindows? | 17:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:57 |
| sivang | ncurses | 17:57 |
| sivang | ;) | 17:57 |
| lcuk | hah | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: Motif! | 17:57 |
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| sivang | GAN900: held myself not to add 'canonical manage this without requiring thier community credit number' :-) | 17:58 |
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| sivang | lcuk: he meant' X-Motif' | 18:02 |
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| sivang | ;) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:02 |
| lcuk | timoph, :D your twitter name has an extra character! any reason? | 18:03 |
| sivang | I actually developed some bits with this set of libs... | 18:03 |
| sivang | on a silicon graphics Irix | 18:03 |
| sivang | or Iris | 18:03 |
| lcuk | nice | 18:03 |
| timoph | lcuk: IIRC timoph was taken when I registered | 18:03 |
| sivang | or whatever they were called back in 96 | 18:03 |
| * lcuk remembers the amiga and evolution from built i to the MagicUI stuff | 18:04 | |
| lcuk | timoph, o_O | 18:04 |
| lcuk | there is only 1 of you! | 18:04 |
| timoph | :) | 18:04 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: moral of the story... never take timoph 's nick. You'll "disappear", too. | 18:06 |
| timoph | I actually would have a use for a stunt double sometimes | 18:06 |
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| timoph | anyway, I just starting to look how this twitter thingy work. I've had the account for some time already but haven't really used it | 18:08 |
| timoph | 'm | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | good to see you on it timoph \o | 18:10 |
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| GalegO | Hi guys... | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | hi GalegO | 18:38 |
| GalegO | How the nexts steps og meego by Nokia?? If I buy a N900, how it will be supported? | 18:38 |
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| GalegO | ow!! rsrss... I consfused... is Maemo not Meego ... sorry!!! | 18:39 |
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| Canadian_P1rat3 | Does anyone know how to disable the virtual keyboard, but still keep it so that you can get in on command | 19:14 |
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| Canadian_P1rat3 | Anyone? | 19:15 |
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| gabrbedd | Canadian_P1rat3: With the MTF's keyboard.... If you swipe the kb down, it disappears. | 19:15 |
| gabrbedd | Canadian_P1rat3: One way to get it back... | 19:15 |
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| Canadian_P1rat3 | I do not want it to appear every time i select a text field | 19:16 |
| gabrbedd | Canadian_P1rat3: is to click on the top of the window frame (in Netbook UX). | 19:16 |
| Canadian_P1rat3 | I would like have it running, just not coming up | 19:16 |
| gabrbedd | Canadian_P1rat3: Then the answer is: No, you can't. | 19:16 |
| Canadian_P1rat3 | Awww | 19:16 |
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| Canadian_P1rat3 | bai | 19:16 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know how to make the meego installer /not/ write to the MBR? | 19:30 |
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| mihero | you can use grub rescue to fix what installer messed up | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: I didn't see an option when I last looked | 19:32 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: Eh, I'm having to deal with a fickle windows 7 boot loader. | 19:33 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: Not just M$'s... but a vendor-enhanced one. | 19:34 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: I keep tripping on a land mine. | 19:34 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: thx. | 19:35 |
| mihero | gabrbedd: i have w7+ubuntu+meego working fine in tripleboot | 19:36 |
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| mihero | w7 oem install | 19:36 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: Yes, I can make it work. | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: But the vendor has a special "factory restore" feature that's tied to the boot loader. | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: When I touch the MBR, it quits working. | 19:37 |
| mihero | yep, it creates 2 loaders for windows | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | mihero: I even once tried saving and restoring the MBR... no dice. | 19:37 |
| mihero | other starts the restoration and other the actual os | 19:38 |
| * gabrbedd freaking hates recovery partitions. Send recovery disks, dammit! | 19:38 | |
| CosmoHill | my mates had, boot partition, windows vista, second NTFS partition and OEM restore partition | 19:38 |
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| gabrbedd | extloader does work fine with Windows... it's just the recovery partition that's eating my lunch. | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: my laptop has grub2 booting Windows, Redhat and two dev linux builds | 19:39 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/wiki_files/grub.cfg | 19:40 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: yes, I know all that. :-) | 19:41 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: You know Lenovo's crappy OneKey Recovery? | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | do you know that windows 7 has two partitions? | 19:41 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: It's something like that... just crappier. | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | I don't, my laptop had a blank hard drive when I got it | 19:41 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster1: do you think would BoF sessions be something that might get sponsored? | 19:42 |
| DawnFoster1 | Myrtti: like people leading bofs being sponsored for travel? | 19:42 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster1: yup | 19:42 |
| * gabrbedd loves to delete Windows off hard drives. :-] | 19:42 | |
| DawnFoster1 | Myrtti: it's certainly part of it and makes it a lot more likely. | 19:43 |
| mihero | gabrbedd: why not just slap some brand new ssd disk in:) | 19:43 |
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| DawnFoster1 | Myrtti: would be great to see you at the conference | 19:43 |
| Myrtti | although my family situation is - to put it mildly - really difficult and I don't know if I could travel in the end even if I get sponsored | 19:44 |
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| gabrbedd | mihero: because it's not for me. :-) | 19:44 |
| DawnFoster1 | Myrtti: really sorry to hear that you're having difficulties | 19:45 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: alright, 4200rpm hdd | 19:45 |
| DawnFoster1 | Myrtti: family issues can really make things difficult | 19:45 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster1, I have heard from people many times about that and howto solve, for instance bringing a partner along to a conference for speakers adds lots of complications, perhaps if there was a way for the partner to also help with the conf itself (even if not technical) ? | 19:48 |
| DawnFoster1 | lcuk: the partner would have to apply and receive sponsorship on their own merits | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster1, yeah, my point | 19:49 |
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| DawnFoster1 | yeah, the sponsorship program isn't really designed for people to bring partners | 19:49 |
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| DawnFoster1 | honestly, we just can only accommodate so much | 19:50 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster1 it never has been for any conf and has always been a random question from people | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you could get Mrs Keeps coding! | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: hehe, we're taking all this on own budget :) | 19:51 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, I know | 19:52 |
| lcuk | #random_discussions | 19:52 |
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| hejos | hi there | 20:33 |
| hejos | has anyone ever tried Meego + n900 | 20:33 |
| hejos | does the usb host mode work? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, doesn't - someone needs to make it work on modern kernels and ideally get it upsteamed | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | er, upstreamed.. | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: ooh. didn't know about rpmrebuild | 21:36 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, it's a very nice little tool | 21:37 |
| arfoll | especially when working with proprietary rpms.... | 21:38 |
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| gabrbedd | wait a second... I thought rpm was better than deb because the RPM is looking for libQtCore.so.4 instead of some random package name. WTH?? | 21:50 |
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| ali1234 | it looks for them while making the rpm, then transforms the library names into package names | 21:51 |
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| ali1234 | so if you only have a binary rpm, it doesn't help you | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | at least thats how i understand it | 21:52 |
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| ali1234 | so rpmrebuild rebulds an rpm based on the package database and the installed files | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | interesting | 21:54 |
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| ali1234 | i briefly considered writing such a tool to turn the tablet UX back into RPMs | 21:54 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: Right. But rpm /will/ let you specify aribtrary package names that you depend on... and this is what Skype did. | 21:54 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: They covered their bases by requiring the package "qt4-x11"... so they used rpmrebuild to edit the metadata in the package and remove that requirement. | 21:55 |
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| ali1234 | well, that's not my understanding | 21:56 |
| arfoll | ali1234, you don't need to have it installed you can specify a new package | 21:56 |
| gabrbedd | (Erm... LEGEND: first "they" == skype, send "they" == aMeeGos) | 21:56 |
| arfoll | gabrbedd, how did I become 'they' | 21:56 |
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| ali1234 | what is in the list of depends for the new package then? | 21:57 |
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| arfoll | ali1234, i just commented out qt4-x11 | 21:57 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: :-) | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | so it will happily install on a system without Qt now? | 21:57 |
| arfoll | ali1234, yep - it's dumb as hell | 21:58 |
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| arfoll | but there is nothing stoping you from adding a new requires for whatever suits meego best | 21:58 |
| arfoll | my point was just to show it was easy | 21:59 |
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| ali1234 | right. but what you can't do is make a rpm that directly depends on libQtCore.so.4 because rpm has no way of knowing which package provides it, unless that package is already installed | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | so there is no way skype could have made a rpm that was compatible with both fedora and meego | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: uh, i actually think Requires: libQtCore.so.4 gets made automatically | 22:00 |
| arfoll | ali1234, you can require an so directly | 22:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | damn, vgrade isn't here | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | if you're depending directly on qt-x11, you're doing it wrong :) | 22:01 |
| arfoll | ^^ see what Stskeeps said | 22:01 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: rpm doesn't care what package provides it... it just checks that it's there. | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | arfoll: is there something else i need to install besides emgd-bin? as there is no kernel module for the emgd bits | 22:01 |
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| ali1234 | so how would eg. zypper know which package to install to provide the depended libraries? | 22:01 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: OTOH, /zypper/ does know what package(s) provide libQtCore.so.4 | 22:01 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: i.e. zypper wp libQtCore.so.4 | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | "zypper wp" does not work if that file isn't already installed | 22:02 |
| arfoll | TSCHAKeee, not sure I think that emgd-bin should work on its own | 22:02 |
| arfoll | i havent looked at it enough though, best to ask vgrade when he's here or try it out | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | arfoll: it doesn't. | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | fuck | 22:02 |
| arfoll | then have a look in the kernel joggler | 22:02 |
| arfoll | there must be some glue or something | 22:03 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: No. rpm only works on what's installed... zypper can use the repo. | 22:04 |
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| * gabrbedd is fully aware that Skype does not know how to package properly -- for any distro. :-) | 22:06 | |
| TSCHAKeee | skype engineers don't know how to code properly | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | much less package for any distro | 22:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | they do some of the nastiest hacks i've ever seen to deal with the sound card | 22:07 |
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| gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: LOL :-) | 22:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and consistently leave the sound card unusable on a vast number of configurations | 22:07 |
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| ali1234 | so where does zypper get it's list of files for wp? | 22:09 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: /var/cache/zypp | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | no, that's clearly where it caches it | 22:10 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: i.e. the info is in the repos. | 22:11 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Zypper_usage_11.3#Dependencies | 22:11 |
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| ali1234 | ok let me put it another way: how can i see everything a package provides, without installing it? | 22:13 |
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| ali1234 | or, how can i see which package contains "/usr/bin/convert" for example? (the correct answer is ImageMagick) | 22:15 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: give me a second | 22:16 |
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| CosmoHill | rpm -fq /path/to/file | 22:17 |
| lcuk | MeeGo TigerBlood UX | 22:17 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: not sure of the zypper command... but the info is in the repodata/filelists.xml | 22:18 |
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| ali1234 | CosmoHill: error: file /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: e.g. http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/repodata/25a9e991a0956e368f90a4cbb059438ac91629d29daa587ee550d01def73559e-filelists.xml.gz | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | ah sorry, my command only works for installed packages | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: un-gzip that file and you'll see it in there. | 22:19 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: that's the data that zypper uses. | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | i just see a huge xml file that crashes firefox :( | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | right, i loaded it eventually | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | so it really does have a list of every file in the rpm | 22:20 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: So, when you do `zypper wp /usr/bin/convert` it looks in there for the answer(s). | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | yeah except it doesn't work | 22:21 |
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| Myrtti | I must've gone blind... | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | i can see the entry for /usr/bin/convert | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | but zypper says "No providers of '/usr/bin/convert' found." | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | and "No providers of 'convert' found." | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | so if my app depends on /usr/bin/convert, and i don't want to explicitly name a package (because it might be different named elsewhere) what do i do? | 22:23 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: What about `zypper wp convert` ? | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | same | 22:26 |
| Myrtti | has anyone submitted their proposal for a talk at the meegoconf? | 22:26 |
| Myrtti | I need some help in submitting mine | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | so, if it has a listing of every file, why does it work for .so but not for other files? | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | it works for "zip" | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | but it is probably just matching the package name in that case | 22:29 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: I don't know. Looks like a bug to me. | 22:31 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: It looks like this explains what we're seeing: http://bit.ly/gFwC7H | 22:45 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: yum does it, zypper doesn't. As of last year, it was "WONTFIX" | 22:46 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: yum is to be remove from Meego | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | so iow blame suse | 22:48 |
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| gabrbedd | no, blame skype. | 22:49 |
| ali1234 | also that doesn't really explain to me what the exact rule is | 22:49 |
| ali1234 | i can't really blame skype for not understanding this stuff if i don't understand it myself | 22:49 |
| berndhs | i blame the standards, there are too many of htem | 22:50 |
| gabrbedd | i blame CosmoHill, there are too many of him | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | don't blame me, blame the pope | 22:51 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: skype had no need to depend on qt4-x11 | 22:51 |
| berndhs | why do they have the dependency in their rpm ? random chance ? | 22:51 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: rpmbuild automatically inserts a requirement for libQtCore.so.4 -- so you don't even have to worry about it. | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | automatic requires aren't always good | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | I've had rpm complain that I can't install bash.rpm because /bin/bash is a requirment | 22:52 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: probably CYA... in case they missed something. | 22:52 |
| berndhs | qt-devel, libqt-devel, libqt4-devel, people should make up their minds | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | such a positive writeup: http://myn900.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/meego-on-the-n900-officially-targeted-by-nokia/ | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | tbh i thought they already had support from nokia | 22:57 |
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| ali1234 | i note there's not mention of power management | 22:59 |
| lcuk | bug 7790 | 23:00 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 23:00 |
| lcuk | and notably, one of the last comments: | 23:00 |
| lcuk | > For reference, the maemo kernel on n900 can run ~8mA base consumption without | 23:00 |
| lcuk | > enabling OFF mode. With cellular networking, it'll be probably around 10mA. I | 23:00 |
| lcuk | > think that's the target for what comes to idle power consumption for N900 on | 23:00 |
| lcuk | > MeeGo 1.2. | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | it's not mentioned here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition | 23:01 |
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| ali1234 | except for "battery will be optimized" | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, the page is not a complete technically detailed manifesto | 23:02 |
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| ali1234 | well, i thought it was | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: you can't have a daily usable solution without PM, that is understood | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i mean it certainly reads like one | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, the power management is already being sorted | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | they did not mention any of the other 100s of bugs being worked on either | 23:03 |
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| ali1234 | they did list all the other important ones though | 23:04 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: For RPM deps and zypper, it looks like you can depend on anything returned by `rpm -q --provides PACKAGE` | 23:14 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: As it happens, `rpm -q --provides ImageMagick` does not have `convert` in the list. | 23:15 |
| ali1234 | that also only works on installed packages | 23:15 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: You said that you don't have ImageMagick installed, right? | 23:16 |
| ali1234 | right | 23:16 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: What does `zypper wp libMagickCore.so.3` give you? | 23:16 |
| ali1234 | works | 23:17 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: Right. And if you install ImageMagick and do `rpm -q --provides ImageMagick` you'll get a list of strings that you /could/ use to depend on ImageMagick | 23:18 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: ...and zypper will be able to solve the dependency. | 23:18 |
| gabrbedd | the list is actually pretty long, too. | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | and where does that list come from? | 23:19 |
| gabrbedd | ...but it's mostly .so-files | 23:19 |
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| ali1234 | who decides what things appear on it? | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | say i am packaging libfoo | 23:19 |
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| ali1234 | how do i control what the package provides? just list it all manually in the spec? | 23:20 |
| auke | ali1234: pretty much, yes | 23:21 |
| ali1234 | in that case you can't rely on this any more than you can rely on consistant package names across distros | 23:21 |
| auke | although rpmbuild automatically makes those | 23:21 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: You add something like `Provides: FooBaby` to make a manual "capability" | 23:21 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: And rpmbuild automatically does a bunch of stuff... like .so-files. | 23:21 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: So then a 3rd party package could depend on FooBaby or on libfoo.so.0 | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | hmm... ok | 23:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjCjgjk9n0o <-- Using MeeGo Image Creator to make a Handset image for a new piece of hardware... | 23:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | :D | 23:25 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: Anyway WRT Skype... they circumvented a very stable feature by manually depending on "qt4-x11" | 23:27 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: But *your* case with scripts... | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | my case? | 23:27 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: ...and binary dependencies... | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | i was just pointing out inconsistencies in my understanding :) | 23:28 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: ...that's a totally valid shortcoming. | 23:28 |
| gabrbedd | of course, DEB doesn't do this part any better. :-) | 23:28 |
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| ali1234 | deb does not even try though, afaik | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | and pretty much all deb distros inherit their package names from debian (if not the packages themselves) | 23:29 |
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| gabrbedd | yeah it does try... but I won't get in to that. :-) Still deb requires that everyone's on the same page for package naming. | 23:30 |
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| ali1234 | i like how on ubuntu, if you type a command and it isn't installed, it tells you what package to install | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | i constantly run against this problem on rpm distros - command not found, and no idea what package it is in | 23:35 |
| berndhs | ali1234: i hate when it does that, makes me wait every time i mis-type something | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah it can be a bit slow | 23:35 |
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| ali1234 | but the benefit is worth it | 23:35 |
| berndhs | i wish it could be turned off, fedora does it too now | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | i'm sure it can | 23:36 |
| berndhs | oh probably, but I can't find it | 23:36 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: berndhs I both love and hate that feature. And it /can/ be turned off. I just don't remember how. :-) | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | sudo dpkg -r command-not-found | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | and -data | 23:37 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: beat me to it! | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | still, the slowness is no worse than the slowness when you press tab and there's 8 million possible completions | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | i'm not going to turn off tab complete just because of that :) | 23:39 |
| berndhs | i have a few aliases for my most frequent typos | 23:39 |
| berndhs | alias mroe=more | 23:39 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: do you want to show all 1384 possibilities? | 23:39 |
| gabrbedd | alias moron=gabriel | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | gabrbedd: if theres enough possibilities, even that can take ages | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | eg i have some directories with over 50000 files all with sequential filenames | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | eg 00000000.bin - 00050000.bin | 23:41 |
| gabrbedd | yeah, I know. I've hit that errorspace, too. | 23:41 |
| berndhs | PackageKit-command-not-found | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | what is the best game I can install on any of my meego devices? | 23:56 |
| Myrtti | booyah | 23:57 |
| Myrtti | I've never submitted a proposal for a talk before | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: how much effort are you willing to go to? | 23:58 |
| lcuk | ali1234, well based on previous effort put in, I think you could say quite a lot. | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | does it basically have to be in the repos, or are you willing to eg compile wine? | 23:58 |
| Myrtti | does Sun Java work in MeeGo? | 23:58 |
| lcuk | that is not really a meego game is it | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | well you didn't say meego game... | 23:59 |
| lcuk | but let us assume that is valid | 23:59 |
| Myrtti | because if it does, then MINECRAFT | 23:59 |
| Myrtti | \o/ | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | minecraft is probably the correct answer, yes | 23:59 |
| lcuk | and it would of course have to work on my n900 too | 23:59 |
| lcuk | since that is my meego device in hand atm | 23:59 |
| lcuk | minecraft on wine on some emulator hmm | 23:59 |
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