IRC log of #meego for Monday, 2011-02-28

CosmoHillTomaszD: oo oo, I wanna try00:00
TomaszDCosmoHill, my favourite moment is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwxdkiqefns&feature=player_detailpage#t=178s00:01
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TomaszDwhere I powerslid so close to the ice builtup00:01
TomaszD:)00:01
TomaszD<- driver00:01
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CosmoHillTomaszD: about 4:40?00:04
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TomaszDnah00:04
TomaszD3:00 onwards00:04
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dm8tbrvgrade: http://meego.openaos.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?framename=mainright&output=urldetail - I believe that provides what you were asking for00:08
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befordHey I am getting this on dmesg when trying to boot a meego image, EXT3: error: unrecognized mount option "ssd" or missing value any hints?00:44
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jonnor"ssd" is an option for the btrfs filesystem01:00
jonnorso probably the image does not have btrfs when it should have, or it has a mount option it should not have01:01
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befordthanks jonnor, will check that maybe is something wrong with the KS.01:23
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hirabayashitaroTo who can I submit a question like the one I'd posted here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=282702:11
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hirabayashitaroisn't the irc quite dead recently?02:19
rohanpmhirabayashitaro: it's usually quiet during European night02:21
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lcukn902what is fun on the tablet build?02:27
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hirabayashitarorohanpm: You're right. I assumed that American daytime should be more vital, but the meego core is in Europe indeed02:28
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* lcukn902 not sleep yet, trying to get rid of headache02:29
lcukn902i have lost my meego ideapad for the night too, missus has been taught to use it and shown how to write by my youngest02:29
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lcukn902hira whats your question02:31
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hirabayashitarolcukn902: it is simply: contacts are part of the core project or not?02:35
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lcukn902i am sure some contacts are in the core, but as for code libraries, which part of contacts do you mean?02:36
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lcukn902because for instance, doesn't qtmobility depend upon the things02:36
lcukn902and if qtm is in core, then the ddpendencies should be too?02:37
hirabayashitaroI don't really know how things works about dependecies02:37
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hirabayashitaromy doubt is about the fact that bugs cannot be submitted for features about contacts in general02:38
hirabayashitarobut must refer to a specific product02:38
lcukn902this is blood type feature again, yes?  ( I was talking to my missus the other night)02:38
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hirabayashitaroIt is, but it is not at the same time02:39
lcukn902you already did file bugs?  if so which are they02:39
lcukn902if not, file them best you can and descibe properly02:39
lcukn902if needbe it can be moved to appropriate location02:39
lcukn902or even find a way to add a new one if not :p02:40
hirabayashitaroI don't really care about that (well, I care but I think it is not a must do thing)02:40
lcukn902ie better to file a bug clearly in the wrong place than non at all02:40
hirabayashitaroI did file the bug02:40
lcukn902hiro, you have cared since you first arrived.02:40
lcukn902which is it02:41
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hirabayashitarohttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1312702:41
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hirabayashitaroAnyway what I really like to say is that I don't see a reason why meego should have this fragmentation02:42
lcukn902hira02:43
lcukn902add a comment there asking for an update, it has been an additional 2weeks since you commented02:43
hirabayashitaroI'm not in a hurry for that specifically02:44
lcukn902add the info we have spoken about clearly02:44
lcukn902hira, it is not about hurry, it is about moving things along02:45
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lcukn902a lot has happened in the last 2 weeks02:45
hirabayashitarolcukn902: I missed something?02:45
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lcukn902hira i am going to bed, but there is someone in that bug asking management bout stuff you care about.02:47
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lcukn902he is the persob who knows how to answer your forum post and questions here02:47
lcukn902gnite \o02:48
hirabayashitarolcukn902: thanks, 'nite02:48
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zutesmogWhat do you think of the chances of getting Meego up and running on http://cgi.ebay.com.au/8inch-Samsung-Android-2-2-CortexTM-A8-MID-3G-HDMI-/160549816127?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item256183c73f#ht_4124wt_1141  ?08:06
gabrbeddmeegobot: supported processors?08:09
MeeGoBotgabrbedd: I have heard that Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors08:09
zutesmogyeah not a lot of detail on the ARM section.  It's a Samsung Arm cortex A8 Samsung S5pv21008:10
gabrbeddzutesmog: I think a cortex is an ARMv708:10
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gabrbeddzutesmog: but I live in x86 world.08:10
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gabrbeddzutesmog: europe comes on-line in about 2 hours... i suggest asking again then.08:11
zutesmoghmm that's what I have been trying to work out.  Will do.08:11
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zutesmogThe N900 is OMAP3430 is Cortex A8 as well, so could be promising.08:13
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dm8tbrwhich hw are we talking?08:25
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dm8tbrgalaxytab?08:26
zutesmogdm8tbr Samsung Cortex A8 S5pv210  based android tablet08:28
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dm8tbra) can you run your own kernel and userspace?08:29
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thiago_homeeven if he's not, he wouldn't be seeing that (he isn't here)10:33
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greg__I wrote it by mistake...10:36
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velope./whowas swc|66610:53
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velopebtw, I own the trademark of X so be careful with using incorrectly.11:02
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velopeit*11:05
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thiago_homepretty sure you can't trademark a letter11:07
auscompgeekI think he meant Xorg.11:08
auscompgeek;p11:08
velopeno, it's X11:08
auscompgeekThen, er, yeah, what thiago_home said.11:08
velopeit is not a letter11:09
Dijitit's a philosophy?11:09
velopeno, it's hand written 'X'11:10
Dijityou're not allowed to trademark anything that is a part of an ordinary daily life..11:10
Dijitwithout "X" product11:10
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velopei am allowed to use it already11:11
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iekkuvelope, want to tell more?11:14
velopeiekku: later..11:15
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rzrhi12:38
rzrwhere to find .dsc file to madde 0:0.7.57-3 ?12:38
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timophrzr: do need it to be exactly that version?12:44
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timophI can find -2 and -4 but not -312:44
timophit's an older version anyway. current seems to be 0.7.59-112:46
rzrtimoph: well than one may be obsolete12:46
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rzrany deb-src for http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ will be fine12:46
rzris it that related file ? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde/blobs/master/src/maemo/mad-developer/debian/control12:47
timophhttp://build.meego.com/package/files?package=madde&project=Tools%3ASDK%3AHost12:47
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niala1hello, bon apétit13:43
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mikhasheya DawnFoster - I dislike to be such an annoying %*$, but could you please check the status of https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 ? thanks :-)15:35
MeeGoBotBug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML15:36
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Stskeepsmikhas: it's a bugtracker, people get to it eventually :)15:38
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gabrbeddstskeeps: I ran the "missile lock" comment by my wife... she got the same impression as you.  :-)16:41
gabrbeddstskeeps: So, I'll probably abandon that one....16:41
Stskeepshehe16:41
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SavagoGood morning.18:04
Stskeepsmorn18:04
SavagoAnyone knowns if Qt is the 'recommended way' for developing apps for Meego? (I mean for inclusion in the appUp store).18:04
TomaszDhi Stskeeps18:04
SavagoOr has it changed after Nokia went to bed with MS?18:04
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StskeepsSavago: yes, qt is still a central piece18:05
SavagoStskeeps, so, if I target Qt 4.7.0 would it be good?18:05
Stskeepsyes18:06
SavagoI think is odd, because the documentation for C++ includes <stdafx.h>, which is a header for  Visual Studio.18:06
Savagohttp://appdeveloper.intel.com/sites/files/pages/SDK%20Developer%20Guide.pdf18:06
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Stskeepsmight be looking at wrong one18:07
toninikkanenmaybe you're looking at the docs for making windows apps for AppUp18:07
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zuhI have zypper 1.5.2-1.39 for i586 installed in my image, and it seems to be horribly broken. Refreshing repos fails with an error message about curl failing to fetch blaablaa-other.sqlite.bz218:59
zuhIs this a known problem?18:59
zuhOr what the heck is going on?18:59
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zuhhmm, upgrading libzypp and zypper manually to 8.10.2-1.35 and 1.5.2-1.53 doesn't help either...19:03
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velizuh: \o/19:04
Stskeepslibsatsolver?19:04
zuhveli: !19:04
velizuh: working with meego now?19:04
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zuhveli: Among other things, yes: http://gitorious.org/~kvahlman/meegotouch/kvahlman-meegotouch-compositor19:05
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zuhveli: Are you coming back now? ;)19:06
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velizuh: uhoh..19:06
veli:(19:06
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veligotta go to eat with daughter ->19:09
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zuhStskeeps: Where does that come from? all I see is satsolver-tools and libsatsolver-demo and -devel...19:13
Stskeepszuh: what error are you getting anyway?19:14
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MoL0ToVis true that nokia abandoned meego?19:15
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Myrttino19:15
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Myrttinext question?19:15
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sofardo I have to go to work?19:16
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zuhStskeeps: http://pastebin.com/a9BmQSyz19:16
Stskeepssofar: able to work from home? if so, no19:16
Stskeepszuh: meego version?19:16
sofarStskeeps: hah, tempting ;)19:17
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Ulf_sofar, I don't know. Do you have to? ;)19:18
zuhStskeeps: 1.1.90.2.20110209.4 build, and this happens both on an image on a device and in my rootfs with matching software19:18
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Stskeepszuh: ok, if so that sounds like a serious bug.. your RTC set right?19:19
zuhOh, and I tried other build repos on both repo.meego.com and download.meego.com, all fail with similar errors19:20
zuhStskeeps: I would assume my desktop has it right at least ;)19:20
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Stskeepszuh: got a url for 'core' repo?19:22
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zuhbaseurl=http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.5.20110225.1/repos/oss/ia32/packages/19:23
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Stskeepsdo you have a gpg key further down referenced/19:23
Stskeeps?19:23
zuhYes19:23
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Stskeepsdoes the file match http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.5.20110225.1/repos/oss/ia32/packages/repodata/repomd.xml.key ?19:24
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zuh85e2b59745a7b57662d362c0fc49adc8  /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego19:25
zuh85e2b59745a7b57662d362c0fc49adc8  repomd.xml.key19:25
zuhYeah, seems so19:26
zuhand I also can fetch the file it complains about with wget without problems...19:26
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* zuh is full of confusion19:27
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zuhHmm, it also should indeed be able to verify the key then, right?19:28
zuhBut doesn't...19:28
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gabrbeddzuh: I've run in to similar problems.  Sometimes my only way out is to delete the cache.19:30
gabrbeddzuh: before, I figured I had done something silly...19:30
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gabrbeddzuh: But I think I'm seeing it often enough that it's a bug with zypper.19:31
zuhgabrbedd: Where's the cache, under /var/cache?19:31
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gabrbeddzuh: My hypothesis is that repomd.xml is changed... but for on refresh it's not checking that file first.19:32
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gabrbeddzuh: I think so, don't have it in front of me at the moment.  One time I was having to deal with a mic2 cache... which is a different (but similar) case.19:33
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Texrathola19:33
gabrbeddTexrat: isn't IRC blocked for you?19:33
Texrathey gabrbedd19:33
Texratlol19:33
Texratjust testing it now19:33
gabrbeddTexrat: :-p19:33
Texratlooks liek it's the only thing that isn't19:33
TexratI canNOT believe they blocked social.msdn.microsoft.com19:33
gabrbeddBTW, i'll be AFK for a while... (lunch)19:33
Texratidiotsd19:33
Texratidiots*19:34
TexratI'm on lunch now, n]hence free time19:34
Texrat...19:34
Texratsticky keys19:34
zuhgabrbedd: zapping the whole /var/cache/zypp seems to indeed have fixed things. Thanks for the hint!19:34
slonopotamuszapping / gives even more surprising effects19:35
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Stskeepsmoo Texrat19:35
Texratmoo19:36
Stskeepshow's things?19:36
zuhgabrbedd: Do you know if there is a bug for this somewhere? (what even is the upstream for zypper..?)19:36
Texrateh19:36
Texratmore or less the same Stskeeps19:36
Texratfrustrated that LinkedIn was blocked at work19:36
Texrathard to manage it on my E7119:37
Stskeepsah, they don't want to let you employees go :P19:37
Texratyou would be amazed how many have left and at what rae19:37
Texratrate*19:37
Texratdepressing place19:37
Stskeeps:nod:19:38
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TexratOh, Stskeeps-- a manager at NSN offered to get my resume to another manager over a job I applied for19:38
Stskeepscool19:38
Texratwe'll see19:38
Texraton the other job that I really wanted, they brought a former employee back19:38
TexratI can't fault them for that, but MAN I wanted that role19:39
TexratI am also appying for several positions at RIM, but I'm afraid that would mean no more MeeGo or maemo community for me...19:39
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TexratIn fact RIM specifically asks about open source community involvement on one application!19:41
Stskeepsscary19:41
Stskeepsbut hey, food on table first always matters19:41
Texratyes19:42
TexratI am ready for something better19:42
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Texrathow are things going for you Stskeeps?19:42
Stskeepsschroedinger's cat scenario, don't know we're dead or alive ;)19:43
Texratlol... sounds about right19:43
Stskeepsso we keep on working19:43
Texratas logn as no one observes you, then you'll be fine :D19:43
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Texratlong*19:43
iekkuStskeeps, :D19:43
StskeepsTexrat: "hey, why is this money flow still active" kind of observation, yeah ;)19:44
Texratlol19:44
andre__hehe19:44
iekkuStskeeps, I have wanted dead or alive schroedinger's cat poster in my cubicle :)19:44
iekkui didn't realise how true it is :(19:45
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Texrathey javispedro20:19
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javispedrohello Texrat20:20
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javispedrohow ya going? ;)20:20
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Texratas wella s can be expected javispedro, you?20:22
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javispedroTexrat: same :D20:23
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gabrbeddzuh: ping21:09
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* CosmoHill seeths21:11
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raph0x88there is any alternative repository for meego? I can´t find the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-base for MeeGo21:36
CosmoHillrepo.pub.meego.com21:36
Stskeepsraph0x88: fairly sure that exists21:37
Stskeepsraph0x88: might be called something else though21:37
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CosmoHillyay, my repo appeared at midnight this morning21:37
raph0x88Stskeeps: I tried different plugins packages, didn´t work21:38
Stskeeps'didn't work'?21:39
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raph0x88Sorry, english is not my native language21:40
CosmoHillraph0x88: what version of meego?21:42
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raph0x88CosmoHill: 1.121:43
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CosmoHilltype zypper search gstreamer0.1021:44
CosmoHilltype zypper search gstreamer21:44
CosmoHillhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/gstreamer-0.10.30-2.6.i586.rpm21:44
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