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hirabayashitaro | I noted that http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/ is down, any idea of the reason for that? | 00:20 |
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thiago_home | there's only one reason: server maintenance | 00:24 |
thiago_home | unscheduled though | 00:24 |
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npm | gabrbedd: re your problems w/ zypper... have you been keeping an eye on your network while it's doing it's thing, because the networking going up/down bug in netbook (imho triggered by network activity s.a. dling an rpm or repo-md file) ... i have examples of stuff failing the first time and then succeeding on retry | 00:54 |
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npm | gabrbedd: (yes: "zypper clean --all ; zypper update" is a good thing to run") | 00:57 |
npm | s"// :-) | 00:57 |
npm | err... s/"// | 00:57 |
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gabrbedd | npm: I'm only just now taking the zypper issue seriously. | 00:58 |
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npm | i've been having some success, but also some oddities investigating keysigning before I unleach "fcm" (the project formerly called meegolem) | 00:58 |
gabrbedd | npm: So, yeah... could be the cause of a network issue on my end... or on repo.meego.com's end... or mid-update on r.m.c. or an actual zypper bug... or.. | 00:58 |
npm | s/unleach/unleash.... where's my spell checker | 00:59 |
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gabrbedd | npm: I can't remember if I've tried zypper clean --all. I think I tried zypper clean and didn't get very far. | 00:59 |
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npm | the --all helps | 00:59 |
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gabrbedd | hey lcuk: you can't resolve a bug by simply making it a feature!! :-p | 01:00 |
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npm | but every command in zypper is also equivalent to eding or deleting one of it's files | 01:00 |
gabrbedd | npm: Yes, I wasn't aware of the --all... I'll try that next time. | 01:00 |
gabrbedd | npm: thank you | 01:00 |
lcuk | gabrbedd, no, but if it could be made into a feature it saves wasting another number | 01:00 |
lcuk | it had same info in it anyway | 01:00 |
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npm | is it good form to distribute /etc/zypp/repos.d/*.repo files as-is, or must i tediously develop a script of zypper commands to re-create the same? | 01:00 |
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* gabrbedd was just making a joke along the line of "It's not a bug... it's a feature!" | 01:01 | |
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btdrucke_ | I personally move around *.repo files. Works for me. | 01:01 |
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lcuk | gabrbedd, o_O I had not noticed | 01:01 |
btdrucke_ | Also, many of the most recent times zypper hasn't worked for me, it was because the repos got moved around! | 01:01 |
lcuk | I have had IT issues all weekend | 01:02 |
lcuk | AVG ate my x-chat | 01:02 |
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npm | btdrucke_: that's good to know... i'm new to zypper.. as a long time fedora use, i prefer yum... so i'm learning. | 01:02 |
gabrbedd | npm: I think `zypper ar` has an option to take a .repo file instead of putting all the URL's on the command line. | 01:02 |
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npm | yep that's what i was talking about w/r/t/ tedium | 01:03 |
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gabrbedd | lcuk: Plus you killed a laptop by kicking it. :-/ Sorry, dude. | 01:03 |
lcuk | gabrbedd, different issue | 01:03 |
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npm | but after that you need to also do a bunch of "zypper modifyrepo" to change, priority of repos | 01:03 |
lcuk | that has a cracked motherboard | 01:03 |
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* lcuk had a :( IT weekend | 01:03 | |
npm | that way i can prevent the Fedora repo libs from overwriting into meego, but steal all their apps... | 01:03 |
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npm | the main thing standing in the way of progress is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 and https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 | 01:06 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 13778 nor, Undecided, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wireless connection loses "router" setting for Static-IP | 01:06 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 13780 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wired connection stops working when transferring lots of data | 01:06 |
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npm | aka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7529 | 01:07 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 7529 nor, High, 1.1, jku, NEW, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes | 01:07 |
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npm | aka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11083 | 01:07 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 11083 maj, Medium, ---, jimmy.huang, NEW, [REG] "Ethernet/Wifi is not available" in Control Panel | 01:07 |
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gabrbedd | lcuk: So, did you figure out the BMC thing? How to turn it into a feature? | 01:08 |
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CosmoHill | lcuk: .o/ | 01:08 |
lcuk | gabrbedd, filed a new one (bug 13922) | 01:08 |
MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13922 enh, Undecided, ---, sami.pienimaki, RESO DUPLICATE, [FEA] Missing fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcrip | 01:08 |
lcuk | but hirabayashitaro filed bug 13923 | 01:09 |
MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13923 nor, Undecided, ---, sami.pienimaki, NEW, [FEA] Fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcription | 01:09 |
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CosmoHill | lcuk: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/cosmo/meego_1.1_extras_Netbook/i586/ | 01:09 |
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lcuk | nice CosmoHill | 01:10 |
niala1 | nice CosmoHill. it s for a n900 cluster around the world? | 01:10 |
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CosmoHill | took over a day to appear on the repo | 01:10 |
CosmoHill | niala1: actually it failed on arm for some reason | 01:10 |
niala1 | CosmoHill: wht is a day in a life? | 01:10 |
gabrbedd | lcuk: :-S can't win for losing, eh? | 01:11 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: :-) | 01:11 |
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npm | i hate doing that with sites that disable the account after three tries | 01:12 |
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lcuk | gabrbedd, story of my life | 01:14 |
CosmoHill | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/openmpi/1.4.3-1ubuntu2 | 01:14 |
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niala_droopy | i m wonder why the universe exist instead of not ? | 01:29 |
CosmoHill | if it didn't you weren't be here to wander | 01:29 |
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CosmoHill | or wonder, one of the two | 01:29 |
niala_droopy | CosmoHill: incredible isn't it? | 01:29 |
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Redmono | i didnt knew nokia changed gtk for kde ? | 01:32 |
niala_droopy | I wonder, what will happen when silicium will disappear ? we will do wood computer? | 01:33 |
CosmoHill | silicon* | 01:33 |
npm | gallium arsenide | 01:33 |
Redmono | yes were will people get their boobs | 01:33 |
CosmoHill | Redmono: they haven't as far as I know | 01:33 |
DawnFoster | hmmmm | 01:34 |
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CosmoHill | hey dawn | 01:34 |
DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill! | 01:34 |
smoku | Redmono, i got boobs without silicon | 01:34 |
CosmoHill | I had a meeting with my dissertation supervisor and I survived :D | 01:34 |
Redmono | just wait 30 years | 01:35 |
Redmono | :P | 01:35 |
Redmono | besides silicon is obsoleet | 01:35 |
niala_droopy | coltan | 01:35 |
niala_droopy | CosmoHill: good meeting uou re happy ? good news for you? | 01:36 |
CosmoHill | I'm fu...screwed | 01:36 |
CosmoHill | ideally I need to do about 1000 words a week | 01:36 |
Redmono | !rank | 01:37 |
CosmoHill | I say that, ideally I would have already done the work and not need to catch up | 01:37 |
Redmono | theres no ranking for the most chater box ? | 01:37 |
CosmoHill | Redmono: killer op, regular and newbies | 01:37 |
niala_droopy | words= words; if i <10000 { echo > word} | 01:37 |
niala_droopy | CosmoHill: great UK whos invent sandwich :) | 01:38 |
CosmoHill | if you're a chatter box you'd have a very low rank compared to someone who provides meaningful contributions to relative discussions | 01:38 |
CosmoHill | niala_droopy: the welsh invented the toasty | 01:38 |
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Redmono_ | damn freenode | 01:40 |
Redmono_ | and theier ident thing | 01:41 |
Redmono_ | its like a mania | 01:41 |
CosmoHill | Redmono_: can you tell me the names of the two founding companies? | 01:41 |
Redmono_ | for what ? | 01:42 |
CosmoHill | for Meego | 01:42 |
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niala_droopy | CosmoHill: and french eat :) | 01:42 |
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Redmono_ | intel nokia ? | 01:42 |
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CosmoHill | correct | 01:42 |
Redmono | hufff | 01:42 |
Redmono | do i get a prize ? | 01:42 |
CosmoHill | I don't put you on my hit list, does that count? | 01:43 |
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Redmono | humm kadafi merc better watch out ... | 01:44 |
niala_droopy | merc ? | 01:45 |
niala_droopy | whet is mec? | 01:45 |
niala_droopy | merc | 01:45 |
ali1234 | is it quiz night? | 01:45 |
Redmono | ababdabdahbiabhab | 01:45 |
Redmono | niala_droopy: just dont drool on the keyboard | 01:46 |
niala_droopy | woop woop | 01:46 |
Redmono | !trivia | 01:46 |
ali1234 | s/quiz night/happy hour/ | 01:46 |
infobot | ali1234 meant: is it happy hour? | 01:46 |
niala_droopy | happy hour is finished here, but not really in my brain | 01:47 |
Redmono | any one for a netris session ? | 01:48 |
Redmono | :) | 01:48 |
niala_droopy | is netris on meego ? | 01:48 |
Redmono | niala_droopy: ? | 01:48 |
niala_droopy | ah is not a game ? | 01:48 |
Redmono | its not ? | 01:49 |
Redmono | might be a batlle of the wills | 01:49 |
Redmono | and muscle memorei | 01:49 |
Redmono | youll need a 100 hz brain to beat me :P | 01:50 |
niala_droopy | waoouh actually my brain i m more 0,3 hz | 01:51 |
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niala_droopy | like alcool in my blood in fact | 01:51 |
Redmono | cool | 01:52 |
Redmono | so its al cool then ? | 01:52 |
niala_droopy | well this is not an habit | 01:53 |
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Redmono | just a custume then | 01:53 |
Redmono | just join AA | 01:55 |
niala_droopy | yep and the girl i have seen is so, how to explain, so nice, maybe she can make me abandon meego | 01:55 |
Redmono | how would you send her sweet mms then ? | 01:55 |
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niala_droopy | there is girls on #meego ? lol | 01:56 |
Redmono | what os doesent have its pron ? | 01:56 |
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Redmono | just use google | 01:57 |
niala_droopy | pron ? | 01:57 |
niala_droopy | no need to send mms only roses... oh i m so nice :) | 01:58 |
Redmono | google meego even the name looks like a ripof ;) | 01:58 |
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Redmono | its just that meego have sexier eeys | 01:58 |
niala_droopy | CosmoHill: what he say ? | 01:58 |
CosmoHill | duno but i think it's a good idea to get back on topic | 01:58 |
Redmono | whats the topic ? | 01:59 |
CosmoHill | niala_droopy: it looks like there is a bug in openmpi 1.4.x for ARM but it may have been fixed in openmpi 1.5 | 01:59 |
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niala_droopy | the topic is how to decrease bug in meego... knowing that every day there is new bugs | 02:00 |
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niala_droopy | CosmoHill: do a 1.5..rpm so ? the .spe should work? | 02:01 |
CosmoHill | I should be able to just change the version in the .spec | 02:02 |
Redmono | its not "there is new bugs" | 02:02 |
Redmono | its there*are new bugs | 02:02 |
niala_droopy | oui sorry | 02:02 |
Redmono | do you program in french ? | 02:03 |
Redmono | roflol | 02:03 |
niala_droopy | i m | 02:04 |
Redmono | french sintaxe can be such a pain | 02:04 |
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niala_droopy | sure even for me | 02:05 |
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Redmono | i kinda liked nokia phones but with winOS im not so sure... | 02:06 |
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Redmono | mabey i can get them to dualboot ubuntu unity | 02:06 |
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niala_droopy | Redmono: idem, nokia phone are very strong, durable | 02:07 |
Redmono | and they do make phone calls | 02:07 |
niala_droopy | only if you have credits | 02:09 |
niala_droopy | ! | 02:09 |
CosmoHill | no | 02:09 |
CosmoHill | they also make settop boxes and laptops | 02:09 |
Redmono | yes with new winOS nokia you just need a free hot sopt :) | 02:09 |
niala_droopy | for Sip ? | 02:10 |
niala_droopy | winpho,e know sip? i m impressioned | 02:10 |
Redmono | isnt it viop ? all these acronims | 02:10 |
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Redmono | is it voip or sip or dosent mater really ? | 02:11 |
niala_droopy | no i suppose no | 02:12 |
Redmono | CosmoHill: ? | 02:12 |
Redmono | i usually just send sms and wait it out | 02:12 |
Redmono | i guess thats why i dont have a girlfriend | 02:13 |
niala_droopy | funny next apple laptop will be Intel+Ati or Intel+intel | 02:13 |
Redmono | why is that funny ? | 02:14 |
CosmoHill | niala_droopy: the high end macbook pros have both intel and nvidia graphics cards | 02:14 |
niala_droopy | because Apple is now only an assembleur and iOs | 02:15 |
CosmoHill | thats one reason the intel devs have macs | 02:15 |
Redmono | just what i was thinking about | 02:15 |
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Redmono | do you read fortune too CosmoHill ? | 02:15 |
CosmoHill | no | 02:15 |
auke | I don't have a mac | 02:15 |
Redmono | good i real find that stuf scray | 02:15 |
Redmono | scary * | 02:15 |
CosmoHill | auke: no but you have everything else | 02:15 |
niala_droopy | now macintosh is only Apple like a Windows | 02:16 |
auke | CosmoHill: pretty much | 02:16 |
CosmoHill | auke: between the two of us, there must be 30+ computers on our desks | 02:16 |
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niala_droopy | CosmoHill: that's why you use a cluster .? | 02:17 |
Redmono | so you dont really need a multicore /tasking cpu CosmoHill | 02:17 |
niala_droopy | auke: take a pause | 02:17 |
CosmoHill | I could by one HP to replace the whole cluster | 02:18 |
Redmono | "one to rull them all and in fire bind them." | 02:18 |
auke | CosmoHill: nah, I get rid of systems quickly too - keep it below 5 or so systems when I can | 02:18 |
niala_droopy | CosmoHill: not really energy saving | 02:19 |
CosmoHill | Redmono: fire + super computer = bad | 02:19 |
Redmono | i was talking about recicling | 02:19 |
Redmono | :) | 02:20 |
CosmoHill | what's your first language | 02:20 |
niala_droopy | 10001 0110 10101 01010 lol | 02:20 |
CosmoHill | niala_droopy: don't swear | 02:20 |
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CosmoHill | hey TSCH | 02:20 |
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Redmono | whats TSCH ? | 02:22 |
niala_droopy | i bet TSCH = 108-82-162-8.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net | 02:23 |
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niala_droopy | there is no easy meego question this night ? | 02:24 |
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Redmono | will megoo be bacawards compatible with old nokia phones and will i be able to run it for free ? | 02:27 |
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javispedro | "intel+intel"? | 02:27 |
Redmono | i mean the really old 25 bucks phones | 02:27 |
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CosmoHill | javispedro: processor + graphics | 02:28 |
javispedro | ah | 02:28 |
* javispedro still can't forget the experience with switchable graphics | 02:28 | |
Redmono | so much foe wintel ? | 02:28 |
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javispedro | (so I thought you were talking about intel gfx x2 =) | 02:28 |
berndhs | Redmono: yes, you will be able to dial all the same phone numbers as from your old phones | 02:28 |
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Redmono | i hope they have speatch recognition because its such a time saver | 02:29 |
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Redmono | i guess no one bother sting it up | 02:30 |
lcuk | Redmono, it looks like you used speech recognition for that line | 02:30 |
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Redmono | if only speach recognition had an ebebed speelcheker | 02:30 |
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lcuk | "dear aunt let's set so double the killer delete select all" | 02:31 |
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Redmono | i ued to use that for not having to go thru the phone list | 02:32 |
Redmono | but im an odd ball | 02:32 |
javispedro | "speach" recognition doesn't misspell. | 02:32 |
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* Redmono is glad for missseeling it makes him feel human | 02:32 | |
niala_droopy | shame on you Redmono :d | 02:32 |
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ali1234 | lcuk: after that demo they made all excuses like "the room was noisy and echoey" | 02:37 |
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ali1234 | lcuk: but the computer clearly heard him say "select all" and then didn't do it, that can only be crap software | 02:37 |
lcuk | ali1234, I recall the demo and cringed with everyone | 02:37 |
CosmoHill | what demo is this? | 02:38 |
lcuk | having had my fair share of stage hiccups | 02:38 |
lcuk | CosmoHill, the dear aunt quote I posted | 02:38 |
ali1234 | CosmoHill: just google "dear aunt" etc | 02:38 |
lcuk | is from a microsoft speech recognition demo | 02:38 |
Redmono | im not saying you should talk to the computer on a regualr basis i just think its neat to have on a phone since you are goint to talk to it anyway | 02:39 |
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lcuk | Redmono, I do not doubt nor object | 02:40 |
lcuk | but you will have to look at what assistive input methods are around | 02:40 |
Redmono | besides when i talk to the computer i rader it not hear me or he might take it personaloly and execut revenge | 02:40 |
Redmono | :) | 02:41 |
CosmoHill | http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472#docid=-6763786752660444455 | 02:41 |
CosmoHill | this? | 02:41 |
ali1234 | CosmoHill: no | 02:41 |
CosmoHill | ah, i think it's a joke | 02:41 |
ali1234 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472# | 02:42 |
ali1234 | this ^ | 02:42 |
ali1234 | obviously sppech recognition isn't going to work if you try to use it write perl | 02:42 |
lcuk | who says? | 02:42 |
lcuk | just stub your toe | 02:42 |
lcuk | perfect perl output | 02:42 |
Redmono | does he have to tell it twice so the computer know its not a regular chat ? | 02:43 |
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niala_droopy | good night, have nices dreams | 02:43 |
Redmono | i think english has a problem because it doesnt use alot of difrent sounds and lots of difrent frases sound alike | 02:44 |
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Redmono | if you sai fuck you to the computer its going to right thank you | 02:45 |
Redmono | because you know how polite the computers are :) | 02:45 |
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Redmono | besides windows use lots of computer processing to do what ever it is it does when its not doing anything | 02:47 |
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CosmoHill | ali1234: indeed, the guy is an idiot for trying to program | 02:49 |
ali1234 | well i don't think he really expected it to work | 02:50 |
CosmoHill | it started swearing at him | 02:50 |
ali1234 | i mean what windows users actually write perl scripts? | 02:50 |
Redmono | perl coders like to bash MS products ? | 02:52 |
Redmono | not that i think that it worked | 02:53 |
Redmono | windows has to much latency | 02:53 |
CosmoHill | legacy* | 02:54 |
Redmono | thats why you see lots of music dj using MACs | 02:54 |
CosmoHill | oh I see | 02:54 |
Redmono | at least some of them the other 90 per cent use them becaus its trendy | 02:54 |
CosmoHill | damn them | 02:55 |
Redmono | dam how ? | 02:55 |
Redmono | damn who ? | 02:55 |
CosmoHill | with a pitch fork? | 02:55 |
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Redmono | CosmoHill: kadafi is hireing | 02:55 |
CosmoHill | my mac has stickers on it, it's got a big dent in it and tape holding parts together | 02:55 |
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Redmono | ho ! i pity you | 02:56 |
Redmono | but not to much because you seem to have 30+ computer other then mac just siting around | 02:57 |
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Redmono | if i had a make i would just install ubuntu or some other linux | 02:58 |
Redmono | MAC* | 02:58 |
CosmoHill | they're not sitting around | 02:58 |
Redmono | if you ask me maks gui us from the 80s | 02:59 |
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Redmono | damn wireless keyboards | 02:59 |
CosmoHill | yes, blame the keyboard | 02:59 |
Redmono | cant even read the chars | 03:00 |
Redmono | the paint id gone | 03:00 |
CosmoHill | you should be able to touch type | 03:00 |
Redmono | im geting there | 03:01 |
CosmoHill | kinda funny, 50 years ago it was a woman's place to touch type | 03:01 |
CosmoHill | now everyone should be able too | 03:01 |
Redmono | not for long im geting a digital board pretty soon | 03:02 |
Redmono | digitizer ? | 03:02 |
Redmono | what the hell its called | 03:02 |
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CosmoHill | I have no idea what you're on about | 03:02 |
Redmono | then i will be able to really wright | 03:02 |
Redmono | you got love my hand writhing | 03:03 |
CosmoHill | tablet? | 03:03 |
Redmono | i guess that will do | 03:03 |
Redmono | i was thinking a draning board type of thing | 03:03 |
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CosmoHill | google "wacom tablet" | 03:04 |
Redmono | that looks cool is it running inkscape ? | 03:05 |
CosmoHill | I've used it on inkscape before | 03:05 |
CosmoHill | Redmono: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_GruOfYo4 | 03:06 |
Redmono | can you use autocad with it ? | 03:06 |
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Redmono | err i meant blender | 03:07 |
Redmono | google sketchup ? | 03:07 |
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Rav_ | ahh .. | 03:08 |
Rav_ | what's meego? | 03:08 |
Redmono | that is running windows ? | 03:08 |
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Rav_ | hello ? | 03:09 |
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Redmono | CosmoHill: is that running windows ? | 03:10 |
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Rav_ | hmm.. | 03:11 |
Redmono | can it be pluged into a desktop laptop or something ? | 03:11 |
Rav_ | nobody's awake Redmono - so it seems | 03:11 |
Rav_ | enjoy vrlogrs.com if ur bored :D | 03:11 |
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CosmoHill | Redmono: it's connected to a powermac running photoshop | 03:12 |
Redmono | what about windows ? | 03:12 |
CosmoHill | what about it? | 03:13 |
Redmono | the problem is most programs are designed to use that stuff | 03:13 |
CosmoHill | it's a "Cintiq 21UX", look it up | 03:13 |
Redmono | i mean arent* | 03:13 |
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Redmono | besides that damn expensive | 03:15 |
Redmono | 1999 ? thats almost the number of the beast :) | 03:16 |
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berndhs | 1999 wasn't a bad year | 03:17 |
Redmono | not at all at least there wasnt a market crash | 03:17 |
berndhs | i was in florida for most of it | 03:18 |
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Redmono | sis you see the aligators ? | 03:18 |
berndhs | not all of them :) | 03:18 |
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Redmono | completed its US$7.68 billion acquisition of security vendor McAfee finally a AV for MAC ? | 03:25 |
Redmono | "Intel has completed its US$7.68 billion acquisition of security vendor McAfee, | 03:25 |
Redmono | who would have guessed MACfee would cost 7.68 billion !!!! | 03:26 |
Redmono | i usually got it for free | 03:26 |
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Redmono | but havent been using it for ages now | 03:26 |
CosmoHill | cyas | 03:27 |
Redmono | astalavista | 03:27 |
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jonwil | McAfee is junk, the only thing that's worse is Norton | 03:30 |
Alison_Chaiken | http://tinyurl.com/4vv4slt "Android vs. MeeGo - Which is Better for the x86?" | 03:32 |
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javispedro | heh | 03:36 |
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javispedro | can't wait to see what position is he going to take =) | 03:36 |
gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: nice. Thanks for the link. | 03:36 |
* gabrbedd wonders what position people in this channel will take :-p | 03:37 | |
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Redmono | hehe linus whent to holywood :) | 03:38 |
Alison_Chaiken | javispedro, I'd like to attend the talk and find out for myself! | 03:39 |
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javispedro | he seems to have worked with android, though >:) | 03:44 |
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ali1234 | why would it make any difference what CPU it uses? | 04:04 |
dotblank | ali1234, it makes a huge difference with the cpu | 04:05 |
dotblank | for example mego could take advantage of more x86 features then android | 04:06 |
dotblank | meego* | 04:06 |
ali1234 | what kind of features? | 04:07 |
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ali1234 | unless you count 15 minute battery life and the ability to set fire to your trousers as features... | 04:08 |
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dotblank | well more accurately, some extensions like vitalization, accelerated encryption and stuff like SSE | 04:08 |
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gabrbedd | ali1234: The floating point performance of Atoms is about 1000x that of ARM. | 04:23 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: So if you're running apps that need a lot of FP power, Atom is the way to go. | 04:23 |
ali1234 | and that's useful on a mobile operating system... how? | 04:24 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: Sure, ARM's have DSP support... but the support is optional and requires special procedures to get your code optimized for it. | 04:24 |
gabrbedd | mobile audio apps, for one. | 04:24 |
gabrbedd | can't think of any others. | 04:24 |
gabrbedd | anyway, that's one benefit of using atom. | 04:25 |
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ali1234 | see, a more interesting question would be "will it ever make sense to use x86 in a mobile device?" or "will android ever be suitable for anything other than mobile devices?" | 04:26 |
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berndhs | ali1234: the target apps of mobiles dont' user floating point now because ARM doesn't support it well | 04:28 |
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berndhs | not because its not useful | 04:28 |
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gabrbedd | ali1234: would x86 ever make sense for a phone? I don't know. | 04:31 |
gabrbedd | But for a mobile device? I think the answer is obviously, yes. | 04:32 |
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npm | gabrbedd: the DSP support is not only optional, it's also closed source, and IMHO that was part of what slowed ARM handset development -- all the nonworking lowlevel infrastrucure that needed bootstrapping before being able to build apps on top of them.... oh and aren't the opengl parts closed too... | 04:44 |
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gabrbedd | npm: +1 | 04:46 |
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npm | part of the problem is that "upper management" doesn't recognize how hard it is to replatform and rework... the devil is in the details that is well below the level of a powerpoint | 04:47 |
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npm | IMHO if certain handset manufacturers were to ensure that the hardware they designed was totally open, with no closed device drivers... then they might be in the same position that intel was in to standardize a the x86 PC.... and make an equivalently open standard for any handset OS to work with... | 04:57 |
npm | (needed, a handset bios that's open) | 04:58 |
npm | and if you're going to be a hardware mfgr, then you want to make hardware that runs as many platforms as possible | 04:59 |
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dcthang | someone knows good calligra pack for Meego? | 05:09 |
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npm | well it's not part of fedora or rpmfusion.... but meego doesn't have KDE (unless you install fedora's :-) ) | 05:16 |
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* npm clicks "always translate Finnish" in google chrome :-) | 05:19 | |
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xiambax | What are the thoughts on the ExoPC? | 07:13 |
xiambax | Good buy? Its the only one Im seriously interested in | 07:14 |
xiambax | Atom run meego smoothly? | 07:14 |
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npm | yes | 07:35 |
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npm | (re atom and smooth) | 07:35 |
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iekku | morning | 07:47 |
dm8tbr | 'bry | 07:47 |
Stskeeps | morn | 07:53 |
lbt | 'night | 07:53 |
lbt | :) | 07:53 |
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xiambax | can you theme me ego? | 08:34 |
Stskeeps | meego? yes | 08:35 |
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xiambax | Is there a UI team | 08:35 |
xiambax | and what does latest look like | 08:36 |
xiambax | running in vm | 08:36 |
xiambax | find Ui to be scary | 08:36 |
Stskeeps | netbook or hanset? | 08:36 |
xiambax | vm netbook | 08:36 |
xiambax | I'm sold on meego actually | 08:38 |
xiambax | whats it based on | 08:38 |
xiambax | can i add repos | 08:38 |
Stskeeps | itself, mostly | 08:38 |
Stskeeps | yes | 08:38 |
xiambax | Your thoughts on ExoPC/ | 08:38 |
xiambax | ? | 08:38 |
Stskeeps | haven't tried it in person | 08:39 |
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Myrtti | Stskeeps: you're still wearing your slip | 08:39 |
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Myrtti | in case you haven't noticed | 08:39 |
Stskeeps | no, didn't actually | 08:39 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:39 |
xiambax | How can i get alpha 1.2? | 08:40 |
Stskeeps | repo.meego.com | 08:40 |
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xiambax | is there a command i can do that just does it all for me? | 08:42 |
Stskeeps | mm, not sure | 08:42 |
xiambax | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaJwrmk86Ir | 08:42 |
xiambax | This video impressed me | 08:42 |
xiambax | Ive been tablet shopping for months | 08:42 |
npm | xiambax: 'dd' :-) | 08:43 |
xiambax | ExoPC and me ego made my mind | 08:43 |
xiambax | Can i just update via commandline? | 08:43 |
xiambax | i have to reinstall? | 08:43 |
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xiambax | anyone? | 08:51 |
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xiambax | Anyone | 09:13 |
xiambax | Would like to install latest. 1.2 Alpha. | 09:13 |
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jonnor | xiambax: See http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions and http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 | 10:13 |
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jainjacob | so.. any idea about the first meego phone?? | 12:17 |
Stskeeps | nop, have to ask vendors :) | 12:17 |
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jainjacob | I need a meego phone.. gonna buy N900... but the h/w is outdated ryt? | 12:22 |
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Stskeeps | it's armv7 so not horribly | 12:23 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
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jainjacob | but whether, the 600 mhz processor is enough for meego?? | 12:27 |
Stskeeps | we run meego on it :P | 12:28 |
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jainjacob | yep.. I seen.. but its laggy na?? | 12:29 |
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niala1 | hello, bon apétit | 13:24 |
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lcuk | niala1, are you not drunk anymore? | 13:37 |
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lcukn900 | oh poop internet | 13:43 |
niala1 | lcuk nooo very very rarely, i don't support | 13:44 |
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niala1 | lcuk: today footing. with no cool meego app gps to trace me :( | 13:46 |
niala1 | gps works on n900 ? | 13:46 |
lcukn900 | niala my son was poking around some of my stuff on meego ideapad last night and comparing them against my n900 | 13:47 |
lcukn900 | the accelerometer is not running so he had this big screen with accelerometer charts remaining still and picked it up to move it like on n900 | 13:47 |
* lcukn900 should check how to do accelerometer reading on meego | 13:48 | |
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timoph | lcukn900: qt mobility -> sensors | 13:49 |
tkeisala | niala1: I have liblocation test app running on meego n900 but that's just GPS no AGPS yet | 13:49 |
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niala1 | ah, well I must google what is agps..... | 13:50 |
jonwil | AGPS is cell-tower-assisted GPS | 13:50 |
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niala1 | ok i saw | 13:52 |
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lcukn900 | timoph that assumes I can use qtmobility. i have users on n8x0 | 13:58 |
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lcukn900 | for various bits of things | 13:58 |
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lcukn900 | and it is a c project technically | 13:58 |
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lcukn900 | timoph one of the apps he was playing with was written before n900 was released and before qtm was defined | 14:01 |
* lcukn900 was surprised at how well it still runs :) | 14:02 | |
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* Dijit ♪np: Matisse & Sadko - Hi Scandinavia (Original) - (5:46/6:28) | 14:14 | |
Dijit | ^_^ | 14:14 |
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lcuk | heh, A warning for all those who say "I cannot write, I never need to write" well, if you ever want to make it into government you need to write, a clown elected in Brazil nearly did not make it into their Congress http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/231358/Clown-gets-seat-on-congress-panel | 14:31 |
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RST38h | lcuk: You mean, All UK clowns who would like to work in the government have to learn writing? | 14:33 |
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RST38h | Aren't they all graduating from elite schools? | 14:33 |
lcuk | RST38h, it makes sense | 14:33 |
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zchydem | Hi. Does anyone know how can I make an app to react on orientation changes on MeeGo? For Maemo 5 there is flag: Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, but is there something similar for MeeGo/Qt? And I don't want to use anything from MeeGoTouch... | 14:35 |
lcuk | zchydem, well which MeeGo are you on about? (UX netbook/tablet/handset/ivi etc) | 14:36 |
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zchydem | handset | 14:36 |
zchydem | lcuk: ^ | 14:36 |
zchydem | we have some MeeGo 1.9.x something in use | 14:36 |
zchydem | -some | 14:37 |
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lcuk | zchydem, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't but the window manager is meegotouch | 14:38 |
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lcuk | ie no way for you to avoid it | 14:38 |
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zchydem | Well yes, it handles it, but I have a plain Qt app. We have pretty much disabled all the MeeGoTouch stuff there e.g. no meego/duihome running. No theme daemon etc.. | 14:39 |
zchydem | I'm actually asking this because it seems if I do a rotation 90 degrees the performance seems to drop | 14:39 |
zchydem | So no I'm wondering if there is another way to do this stuff.. | 14:40 |
zchydem | now | 14:40 |
lcuk | how are you doing it at the moment, ie if you use xrandr to rotate then test, shouldn't it be native speed? | 14:40 |
lcuk | however if you are using qt to rotate, might that be where the performance difference comes from? | 14:41 |
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ali1234 | lcuk i would expect it to be the other way around | 14:51 |
lcuk | ali1234, ? | 14:51 |
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ali1234 | xrandr drivers have historically done that | 14:51 |
ali1234 | that is, when you rotate with xrandr, you lose HW acceleration (historically that is, might be fixed now) | 14:51 |
lcuk | done what? software rotation rather than just setting flags on the lcd driver? | 14:52 |
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lindi- | ali1234: I wish fbdev supported xrandr at all | 14:52 |
* lcuk has had to implement software rotation (using Amiga thinking!) because rotated XV does not historically work everywhere | 14:52 | |
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ali1234 | however, rotation through Qt should not affect speed because most of what it does is rotation independent anyway, especially if it is using GL acceleration | 14:53 |
ali1234 | no, not software rotation | 14:53 |
ali1234 | just that the drivers will often refuse to support OpenGL is rotation != 0 | 14:54 |
Lynoure | No meego for me anymore, went android. | 14:54 |
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ali1234 | s/is/if/ | 14:54 |
infobot | ali1234 meant: just that the drivers will often refuse to support OpenGL if rotation != 0 | 14:54 |
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ali1234 | anyway, i have not tried it on recent intel or pvr | 14:54 |
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Rasi | hi | 15:25 |
Rasi | i am a bit confused | 15:25 |
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Rasi | will meego 1.2 netbook UX be release in summer or not? | 15:25 |
Rasi | or is it completely dead | 15:25 |
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Stskeeps | i think it will be released, but no new features i think | 15:27 |
Stskeeps | just fixes | 15:27 |
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CosmoHill | isn't version 1.2 targeted for April? | 15:32 |
lcuk | eek | 15:35 |
lcuk | todays daily pinetrail images (for both handset and netbook) are not bootable | 15:35 |
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password | êó | 15:36 |
password | hi | 15:37 |
lcuk | i got the netbook image lastnight and it could not boot, and today I got the handset image with same effect | 15:37 |
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lcuk | though an abs() comparison/inversion is still much much cheaper than sqrt | 17:33 |
Ans5i | ☺ | 17:33 |
CosmoHill | Ans5i: oooo, what did you press to do that? | 17:33 |
Ans5i | ctrl+c + ctrl+v | 17:34 |
Ans5i | http://shrey27.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/facebook-smileys-utf-8-codes/ | 17:34 |
ali1234 | in terms of calculating the length of a vector (which is the most common reason for using pythagoras) the negative sqrt makes no sense | 17:34 |
ali1234 | since you are converting a vector to a scalar | 17:34 |
ali1234 | and this is why all good 3D engines (including Qt) have a squaredLength() function on their vector class | 17:34 |
thiago_osl | :-) | 17:36 |
thiago_osl | anyway, flight is boarding | 17:36 |
* thiago_osl is going to HEL for open governance | 17:36 | |
lcuk | thiago_osl, \o | 17:37 |
CosmoHill | cyas | 17:37 |
Stskeeps | good luck! | 17:37 |
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ScriptRipper | ping lool | 18:04 |
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smoku | what happened to builds/trunk/daily ? | 18:40 |
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lardman | Jaffa: hey thanks for the mention re multitouch | 18:46 |
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lcuk | on the n900, is there a standard/safe way to happily use and store data somewhere not on the microsd - for instance when setting up Maemo MyDocs with some scripts and packages to use in daily testing images | 19:09 |
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Jaffa | lardman|gone: No probs. What I'm here for! | 19:58 |
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gabrbedd | Is the MeeGo version of Qt include the Embedded features? (E.g. QDecoration) | 20:17 |
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gabrbedd | erm... /supposed/ to included? | 20:20 |
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jonnor | gabrbedd: no, Meego uses Xorg | 20:40 |
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gabrbedd | jonnor: thanks. I was trying to find a portable workaround for bug 2953. | 20:50 |
MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2953 nor, High, ---, jesse.barnes, REOP, Many third-party Apps' window (i.e. glxgears, xterm) is not working in the fullscreen mode | 20:50 |
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jonnor | gabrbedd: fix, don't work-around | 20:55 |
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gabrbedd | jonnor: yes, master yoda. | 20:57 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 20:57 |
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CosmoHill | sounds like duct tape is out of the question | 21:01 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: only if you're trying to repair a duct. | 21:11 |
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berndhs | gabrbedd: so duct tape is ok when it says "broken pipe" ? | 21:11 |
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gabrbedd | berndhs: Nope. A pipe is a duct. Scientific studies have proven that duct tape is an extremely effective repair media for nearly every purpose EXCEPT repairing and sealing ducts. | 21:14 |
CosmoHill | the british army confirms this | 21:15 |
berndhs | maybe the army was using the wrong side | 21:16 |
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thomasjfox | CosmoHill: Thanks. Funny, my microSD card arrived today... | 21:18 |
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* thomasjfox wonders if it's a sane thing to install a 1.1.90.5.20110301 meego image for a first try | 21:19 | |
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CosmoHill | I'm making a dual boot cluster, you notion sounds relatively sane | 21:20 |
CosmoHill | worse case is you've lost an hour of your time | 21:20 |
thomasjfox | I can live with that ;) Still reading the instructions on how to dual boot this beast | 21:21 |
CosmoHill | turn it off, remove memory card, turn back on | 21:21 |
thomasjfox | how is the active kernel selected? | 21:21 |
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CosmoHill | ~faq? | 21:22 |
infobot | cosmohill, the FAQ is available at http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php/FAQ | 21:22 |
CosmoHill | that's not the bot or FAQ I'm after | 21:22 |
thomasjfox | I think I've seen something in the wiki | 21:22 |
CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 21:23 |
thomasjfox | Still have 15 minutes until the download is finished, so no worries :) | 21:23 |
gabrbedd | CosmoHill: When will we see OpenMPI for RockBox? | 21:25 |
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CosmoHill | gabrbedd: we're currently waiting for battery life in devices to improve since OpenMPI is processor intensive it drains the battery to fast | 21:26 |
gabrbedd | CosmoHill: mpm. even when the USB cable is plugged in? | 21:27 |
gabrbedd | :-p | 21:27 |
CosmoHill | well yes you can use USB but it's not really a portable device if it requires a power source | 21:28 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 21:28 |
gabrbedd | BTW, is the current Handset build as rough on an N900 as it is on a netbook? | 21:29 |
DawnFoster | FYI: MeeGo Community Office Meeting starting in 30 min - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 21:29 |
* CosmoHill wonders if it's a meeting he should care about and if he will be sober when it takes place | 21:30 | |
Stskeeps | CosmoHill: depends if you keep on drinking or not | 21:31 |
* Stskeeps could need a martini, was a good day today | 21:32 | |
CosmoHill | I will have seen 3 of my best friends by the end of today so today is a very good day | 21:32 |
gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Wait... they're serving drinks at the meeting? I'm there! | 21:32 |
thomasjfox | Is there anything special on this page: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php ? It doesn't accept my IEMI :o) | 21:33 |
Stskeeps | thomasjfox: then you don't have a CE n900 :P | 21:33 |
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Stskeeps | thomasjfox: just grab from repo.meego.com , the 1.1.90's | 21:33 |
thomasjfox | so the "original" nokia image doesn't contain anything extra/proprietary? | 21:34 |
Stskeeps | so, there's a bit of history there :) | 21:34 |
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thomasjfox | :o) | 21:35 |
Stskeeps | we used to not have permission to put some bits on meego.com so we had to store images for n900 on tablets-dev. because of various things, we weren't able to get 1.1 as good as it could be (graphics drivers, etc), so we put up a marketing image | 21:35 |
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Stskeeps | nowadays we are just dumping random bits and pieces there, and normal releases goes on repo.meego.com | 21:36 |
thomasjfox | Stskeeps: ok. thanks. | 21:36 |
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thomasjfox | is "uboot-power" the right package to install for permanently running dual boot + power kernel? | 21:42 |
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CosmoHill | now would be a good time to meantion that I don't own a N900 | 21:45 |
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Stskeeps | time to buy one | 21:46 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:46 |
thomasjfox | CosmoHill: Now that you say it, I remember you said it before :) | 21:46 |
CosmoHill | but they cost money | 21:46 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: So... what do you use? The SDK? | 21:47 |
CosmoHill | pure luck and a text editor | 21:48 |
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CosmoHill | www.macromates.com << I'd recommend that for mac users | 21:48 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Ha! :-) | 21:51 |
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gabrbedd | \o/ | 21:55 |
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CosmoHill | that's good, for both meanins | 21:56 |
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CosmoHill | the Community Office Meeting starts in 4 minutes | 21:56 |
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lcuk | lol http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bostonpolice.jpg | 22:46 |
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dm8tbr | developer things I guess :) | 23:21 |
xiambax | i installed 1.1.90 and it doesn't look like this. | 23:21 |
xiambax | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaJwrmk86I | 23:21 |
xiambax | how do i get 1.2 alpha ? | 23:21 |
dm8tbr | xiambax: go to the intel site | 23:21 |
xiambax | link? | 23:21 |
dm8tbr | google? | 23:21 |
xiambax | hey common | 23:22 |
xiambax | i know how to google me ego intel | 23:22 |
xiambax | i dunno what I'm looking for though | 23:22 |
xiambax | appup? | 23:23 |
gabrbedd | thomasjfox: actually, I wondered if I was the only one seeing that! | 23:23 |
gabrbedd | thomasjfox: Does the wifi applet work for you? | 23:24 |
thomasjfox | gabrbedd: It looks totally broken. F.e. the settings menu is called "qtn_sett_main_connections" | 23:24 |
thomasjfox | below it says "qtn_sett_main_connections_label2" | 23:24 |
gabrbedd | thomasjfox: Yeah, that's what I'm getting on x86. | 23:24 |
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gabrbedd | thomasjfox: IIRC, it's the same on Intel's Tablet UX. | 23:25 |
thomasjfox | gabrbedd: So I guess the current build is broken | 23:25 |
thomasjfox | crap :) | 23:25 |
thomasjfox | As meego is rpm based, can I install a known-to-work 1.1 version and upgrade it to something recent? | 23:26 |
gabrbedd | thomasjfox: some of it is regressions from internal API changes... | 23:26 |
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gabrbedd | thomasjfox: and I think some of it never worked. | 23:26 |
gabrbedd | however, 1.1 works a lot better than the current builds. | 23:27 |
gabrbedd | afaik, there are no official upgrade paths. I think they're really just trying to get it working. | 23:28 |
xiambax | found it | 23:28 |
thomasjfox | I'll try to get the 1.1 nokia version for n900 | 23:29 |
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thomasjfox | boot up is also complaining about missing /bin/awk and /bin/find | 23:30 |
xiambax | So what are your thoughts on ExoPC? | 23:30 |
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thomasjfox | xiambax: I just took a quick look to make sure it looks totally different from what I have here :o) | 23:32 |
thomasjfox | xiambax: Looking nice though! | 23:32 |
xiambax | What do you mean | 23:32 |
smoku | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-8n-JXeegs :) | 23:33 |
xiambax | are there lots of people working on meego now? | 23:34 |
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xiambax | is it possible to run 1.2 Alpha on none pine trail procs? | 23:42 |
xiambax | say in Virtual Machine? | 23:42 |
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gabrbedd | xiambax: If your VM supports Atom/Core2 processor emulation and also OpenGL ES, then yes. | 23:50 |
xiambax | Virtualbox | 23:51 |
gabrbedd | xiambax: I think MeeGo provides a version of qemu that can do it in repo.meego.com/tools/ | 23:51 |
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xiambax | this is to much trouble to just try 1.2 | 23:55 |
xiambax | ill just buy an exopc | 23:55 |
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lcuk | \o timeless_office | 23:57 |
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