IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2011-03-01

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hirabayashitaroI noted that http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/ is down, any idea of the reason for that?00:20
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thiago_homethere's only one reason: server maintenance00:24
thiago_homeunscheduled though00:24
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npmgabrbedd: re your problems w/ zypper... have you been keeping an eye on your network while it's doing it's thing, because the networking going up/down bug in netbook (imho triggered by network activity s.a. dling an rpm or repo-md file) ... i have examples of stuff failing the first time and then succeeding on retry00:54
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npmgabrbedd: (yes: "zypper clean --all ; zypper update" is a good thing to run")00:57
npms"// :-)00:57
npmerr... s/"//00:57
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gabrbeddnpm: I'm only just now taking the zypper issue seriously.00:58
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npmi've been having some success, but also some oddities investigating keysigning before I unleach "fcm" (the project formerly called meegolem)00:58
gabrbeddnpm: So, yeah... could be the cause of a network issue on my end... or on repo.meego.com's end... or mid-update on r.m.c. or an actual zypper bug... or..00:58
npms/unleach/unleash.... where's my spell checker00:59
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gabrbeddnpm: I can't remember if I've tried zypper clean --all.  I think I tried zypper clean and didn't get very far.00:59
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npmthe --all helps00:59
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gabrbeddhey lcuk: you can't resolve a bug by simply making it a feature!! :-p01:00
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npmbut every command in zypper is also equivalent to eding or deleting one of it's files01:00
gabrbeddnpm: Yes, I wasn't aware of the --all... I'll try that next time.01:00
gabrbeddnpm: thank you01:00
lcukgabrbedd, no, but if it could be made into a feature it saves wasting another number01:00
lcukit had same info in it anyway01:00
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npmis it good form to distribute /etc/zypp/repos.d/*.repo files as-is, or must i tediously develop a script of zypper commands to  re-create the same?01:00
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* gabrbedd was just making a joke along the line of "It's not a bug... it's a feature!"01:01
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btdrucke_I personally move around *.repo files.  Works for me.01:01
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lcukgabrbedd, o_O I had not noticed01:01
btdrucke_Also, many of the most recent times zypper hasn't worked for me, it was because the repos got moved around!01:01
lcukI have had IT issues all weekend01:02
lcukAVG ate my x-chat01:02
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npmbtdrucke_: that's good to know... i'm new to zypper.. as a long time fedora use, i prefer yum... so i'm learning.01:02
gabrbeddnpm: I think `zypper ar` has an option to take a .repo file instead of putting all the URL's on the command line.01:02
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npmyep that's what i was talking about w/r/t/ tedium01:03
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gabrbeddlcuk: Plus you killed a laptop by kicking it. :-/  Sorry, dude.01:03
lcukgabrbedd, different issue01:03
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npmbut after that you need to also do a bunch of "zypper modifyrepo" to change, priority of repos01:03
lcukthat has a cracked motherboard01:03
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npmthat way i can prevent the Fedora repo libs from overwriting into meego, but steal all their apps...01:03
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npmthe main thing standing in the way of progress is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 and https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1378001:06
MeeGoBotBug 13778 nor, Undecided, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wireless connection loses "router" setting for Static-IP01:06
MeeGoBotBug 13780 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wired connection stops working when transferring lots of data01:06
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npmaka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=752901:07
MeeGoBotBug 7529 nor, High, 1.1, jku, NEW, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes01:07
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npmaka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108301:07
MeeGoBotBug 11083 maj, Medium, ---, jimmy.huang, NEW, [REG] "Ethernet/Wifi is not available" in Control Panel01:07
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gabrbeddlcuk: So, did you figure out the BMC thing?  How to turn it into a feature?01:08
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CosmoHilllcuk: .o/01:08
lcukgabrbedd, filed a new one (bug 13922)01:08
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13922 enh, Undecided, ---, sami.pienimaki, RESO DUPLICATE, [FEA] Missing fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcrip01:08
lcukbut hirabayashitaro filed bug 1392301:09
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13923 nor, Undecided, ---, sami.pienimaki, NEW, [FEA] Fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcription01:09
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CosmoHilllcuk: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/cosmo/meego_1.1_extras_Netbook/i586/01:09
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lcuknice CosmoHill01:10
niala1nice CosmoHill. it s for a n900 cluster around the world?01:10
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CosmoHilltook over a day to appear on the repo01:10
CosmoHillniala1: actually it failed on arm for some reason01:10
niala1CosmoHill: wht is a day in a life?01:10
gabrbeddlcuk: :-S can't win for losing, eh?01:11
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: :-)01:11
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npmi hate doing that with sites that disable the account after three tries01:12
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lcukgabrbedd, story of my life01:14
CosmoHillhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/openmpi/1.4.3-1ubuntu201:14
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niala_droopyi m wonder why the universe exist instead of not ?01:29
CosmoHillif it didn't you weren't be  here to wander01:29
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CosmoHillor wonder, one of the two01:29
niala_droopyCosmoHill: incredible isn't it?01:29
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Redmonoi didnt knew nokia changed gtk for kde ?01:32
niala_droopyI wonder, what will happen when silicium will disappear ? we will do wood computer?01:33
CosmoHillsilicon*01:33
npmgallium arsenide01:33
Redmonoyes were will people get their boobs01:33
CosmoHillRedmono: they haven't as far as I know01:33
DawnFosterhmmmm01:34
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CosmoHillhey dawn01:34
DawnFosterhey CosmoHill!01:34
smokuRedmono, i got boobs without silicon01:34
CosmoHillI had a meeting with my dissertation supervisor and I survived :D01:34
Redmonojust wait 30 years01:35
Redmono:P01:35
Redmonobesides silicon is obsoleet01:35
niala_droopycoltan01:35
niala_droopyCosmoHill: good meeting uou re happy ? good news for you?01:36
CosmoHillI'm fu...screwed01:36
CosmoHillideally I need to do about 1000 words a week01:36
Redmono!rank01:37
CosmoHillI say that, ideally I would have already done the work and not need to catch up01:37
Redmonotheres no ranking for the most chater box ?01:37
CosmoHillRedmono: killer op, regular and newbies01:37
niala_droopywords= words; if i <10000 { echo > word}01:37
niala_droopyCosmoHill: great UK whos invent sandwich :)01:38
CosmoHillif you're a chatter box you'd have a very low rank compared to someone who provides meaningful contributions to relative discussions01:38
CosmoHillniala_droopy: the welsh invented the toasty01:38
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Redmono_damn freenode01:40
Redmono_and theier ident thing01:41
Redmono_its like a mania01:41
CosmoHillRedmono_: can you tell me the names of the two founding companies?01:41
Redmono_for what ?01:42
CosmoHillfor Meego01:42
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niala_droopyCosmoHill: and  french eat :)01:42
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Redmono_intel nokia ?01:42
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CosmoHillcorrect01:42
Redmonohufff01:42
Redmonodo i get a prize ?01:42
CosmoHillI don't put you on my hit list, does that count?01:43
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Redmonohumm kadafi merc better watch out ...01:44
niala_droopymerc ?01:45
niala_droopywhet is mec?01:45
niala_droopymerc01:45
ali1234is it quiz night?01:45
Redmonoababdabdahbiabhab01:45
Redmononiala_droopy: just dont drool on the keyboard01:46
niala_droopywoop woop01:46
Redmono!trivia01:46
ali1234s/quiz night/happy hour/01:46
infobotali1234 meant: is it happy hour?01:46
niala_droopyhappy hour is finished here, but not really in my brain01:47
Redmonoany one for a netris session ?01:48
Redmono:)01:48
niala_droopyis netris on meego ?01:48
Redmononiala_droopy: ?01:48
niala_droopyah is not a game ?01:48
Redmonoits not ?01:49
Redmonomight be a batlle of the wills01:49
Redmonoand muscle memorei01:49
Redmonoyoull need a 100 hz brain to beat me :P01:50
niala_droopywaoouh actually my brain i m more 0,3 hz01:51
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niala_droopylike alcool in my blood in fact01:51
Redmonocool01:52
Redmonoso its al cool then ?01:52
niala_droopywell this is not an habit01:53
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Redmonojust a custume then01:53
Redmonojust join AA01:55
niala_droopyyep and the girl i have seen is so, how to explain, so nice, maybe she can make me abandon meego01:55
Redmonohow would you send her sweet mms then ?01:55
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niala_droopythere is girls on #meego ? lol01:56
Redmonowhat os doesent have its pron ?01:56
* CosmoHill rolls eyes01:57
Redmonojust use google01:57
niala_droopypron ?01:57
niala_droopyno need to send mms only roses... oh i m so nice :)01:58
Redmonogoogle meego even the name looks like a ripof ;)01:58
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Redmonoits just that meego have sexier eeys01:58
niala_droopyCosmoHill: what he say ?01:58
CosmoHillduno but i think it's a good idea to get back on topic01:58
Redmonowhats the topic ?01:59
CosmoHillniala_droopy: it looks like there is a bug in openmpi 1.4.x for ARM but it may have been fixed in openmpi 1.501:59
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niala_droopythe topic is how to decrease bug in meego... knowing that every day there is new bugs02:00
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niala_droopyCosmoHill: do a 1.5..rpm so ? the .spe should work?02:01
CosmoHillI should be able to just change the version in the .spec02:02
Redmonoits not "there is new bugs"02:02
Redmonoits there*are new bugs02:02
niala_droopyoui sorry02:02
Redmonodo you program in french ?02:03
Redmonoroflol02:03
niala_droopyi m02:04
Redmonofrench sintaxe can be such a pain02:04
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niala_droopysure even for me02:05
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Redmonoi kinda liked nokia phones but with winOS im not so sure...02:06
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Redmonomabey i can get them to dualboot ubuntu unity02:06
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niala_droopyRedmono: idem, nokia phone are very strong, durable02:07
Redmonoand they do make phone calls02:07
niala_droopyonly if you have credits02:09
niala_droopy!02:09
CosmoHillno02:09
CosmoHillthey also make settop boxes and laptops02:09
Redmonoyes with new winOS nokia you just need a free hot sopt :)02:09
niala_droopyfor Sip ?02:10
niala_droopywinpho,e know sip? i m impressioned02:10
Redmonoisnt it viop ? all these acronims02:10
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Redmonois it voip or sip or dosent mater really ?02:11
niala_droopyno i suppose no02:12
RedmonoCosmoHill:  ?02:12
Redmonoi usually just send sms and wait it out02:12
Redmonoi guess thats why i dont have a girlfriend02:13
niala_droopyfunny next apple laptop will be Intel+Ati or Intel+intel02:13
Redmonowhy is that funny ?02:14
CosmoHillniala_droopy: the high end macbook pros have both intel and nvidia graphics cards02:14
niala_droopybecause Apple is now only an assembleur and iOs02:15
CosmoHillthats one reason the intel devs have macs02:15
Redmonojust what i was thinking about02:15
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Redmonodo you read fortune too CosmoHill  ?02:15
CosmoHillno02:15
aukeI don't have a mac02:15
Redmonogood i real find that stuf scray02:15
Redmonoscary *02:15
CosmoHillauke: no but you have everything else02:15
niala_droopynow macintosh is only Apple like a Windows02:16
aukeCosmoHill: pretty much02:16
CosmoHillauke: between the two of us, there must be 30+ computers on our desks02:16
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niala_droopyCosmoHill:  that's why you use a cluster .?02:17
Redmonoso you dont really need a multicore /tasking cpu CosmoHill02:17
niala_droopyauke: take a pause02:17
CosmoHillI could by one HP to replace the whole cluster02:18
Redmono"one to rull them all and in fire bind them."02:18
aukeCosmoHill: nah, I get rid of systems quickly too - keep it below 5 or so systems when I can02:18
niala_droopyCosmoHill:  not really energy saving02:19
CosmoHillRedmono: fire + super computer = bad02:19
Redmonoi was talking about recicling02:19
Redmono:)02:20
CosmoHillwhat's your first language02:20
niala_droopy10001 0110 10101 01010   lol02:20
CosmoHillniala_droopy: don't swear02:20
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CosmoHillhey TSCH02:20
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Redmonowhats TSCH ?02:22
niala_droopyi bet TSCH = 108-82-162-8.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net02:23
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niala_droopythere is no easy meego question this night ?02:24
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Redmonowill megoo be bacawards compatible with old nokia phones and will i be able to run it for free ?02:27
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javispedro"intel+intel"?02:27
Redmonoi mean the really old 25 bucks phones02:27
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CosmoHilljavispedro: processor + graphics02:28
javispedroah02:28
* javispedro still can't forget the experience with switchable graphics02:28
Redmonoso much foe wintel ?02:28
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javispedro(so I thought you were talking about intel gfx x2 =)02:28
berndhsRedmono: yes, you will be able to dial all the same phone numbers as from your old phones02:28
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Redmonoi hope they have speatch recognition because its such a time saver02:29
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Redmonoi guess no one bother sting it up02:30
lcukRedmono, it looks like you used speech recognition for that line02:30
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Redmonoif only speach recognition had an ebebed speelcheker02:30
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lcuk"dear aunt let's set so double the killer delete select all"02:31
* niala_droopy learn qml and is really nice02:31
Redmonoi ued to use that for not having to go thru the phone list02:32
Redmonobut im an odd ball02:32
javispedro"speach" recognition doesn't misspell.02:32
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* Redmono is glad for missseeling it makes him feel human02:32
niala_droopyshame on you Redmono :d02:32
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ali1234lcuk: after that demo they made all excuses like "the room was noisy and echoey"02:37
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ali1234lcuk: but the computer clearly heard him say "select all" and then didn't do it, that can only be crap software02:37
lcukali1234, I recall the demo and cringed with everyone02:37
CosmoHillwhat demo is this?02:38
lcukhaving had my fair share of stage hiccups02:38
lcukCosmoHill, the dear aunt quote I posted02:38
ali1234CosmoHill: just google "dear aunt" etc02:38
lcukis from a microsoft speech recognition demo02:38
Redmonoim not saying you should talk to the computer on a regualr basis i just think its neat to have on a phone since you are goint to talk to it anyway02:39
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lcukRedmono, I do not doubt nor object02:40
lcukbut you will have to look at what assistive input methods are around02:40
Redmonobesides when i talk to the computer i rader it not hear me or he might take it personaloly and execut revenge02:40
Redmono:)02:41
CosmoHillhttp://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472#docid=-676378675266044445502:41
CosmoHillthis?02:41
ali1234CosmoHill: no02:41
CosmoHillah, i think it's a joke02:41
ali1234http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472#02:42
ali1234this ^02:42
ali1234obviously sppech recognition isn't going to work if you try to use it write perl02:42
lcukwho says?02:42
lcukjust stub your toe02:42
lcukperfect perl output02:42
Redmonodoes he have to tell it twice so the computer know its not a regular chat ?02:43
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niala_droopygood night, have nices dreams02:43
Redmonoi think english has a problem because it doesnt use alot of difrent sounds and lots of difrent frases sound alike02:44
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Redmonoif you sai fuck you to the computer its going to right thank you02:45
Redmonobecause you know how polite the computers are :)02:45
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Redmonobesides windows use lots of computer processing to do what ever it is it does when its not doing anything02:47
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CosmoHillali1234: indeed, the guy is an idiot for trying to program02:49
ali1234well i don't think he really expected it to work02:50
CosmoHillit started swearing at him02:50
ali1234i mean what windows users actually write perl scripts?02:50
Redmonoperl coders like to bash MS products ?02:52
Redmononot that i think that it worked02:53
Redmonowindows has to much latency02:53
CosmoHilllegacy*02:54
Redmonothats why you see lots of music dj using MACs02:54
CosmoHilloh I see02:54
Redmonoat least some of them the other 90 per cent use them becaus its trendy02:54
CosmoHilldamn them02:55
Redmonodam how ?02:55
Redmonodamn who ?02:55
CosmoHillwith a pitch fork?02:55
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RedmonoCosmoHill: kadafi is hireing02:55
CosmoHillmy mac has stickers on it, it's got a big dent in it and tape holding parts together02:55
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Redmonoho ! i pity you02:56
Redmonobut not to much because you seem to have 30+ computer other then mac just siting around02:57
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Redmonoif i had a make i would just install ubuntu or some other linux02:58
RedmonoMAC*02:58
CosmoHillthey're not sitting around02:58
Redmonoif you ask me maks gui us from the 80s02:59
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Redmonodamn wireless keyboards02:59
CosmoHillyes, blame the keyboard02:59
Redmonocant even read the chars03:00
Redmonothe paint id gone03:00
CosmoHillyou should be able to touch type03:00
Redmonoim geting there03:01
CosmoHillkinda funny, 50 years ago it was a woman's place to touch type03:01
CosmoHillnow everyone should be able too03:01
Redmononot for long im geting a digital board pretty soon03:02
Redmonodigitizer ?03:02
Redmonowhat the hell its called03:02
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CosmoHillI have no idea what you're on about03:02
Redmonothen i will be able to really wright03:02
Redmonoyou got love my hand writhing03:03
CosmoHilltablet?03:03
Redmonoi guess that will do03:03
Redmonoi was thinking a draning board type of thing03:03
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CosmoHillgoogle "wacom tablet"03:04
Redmonothat looks cool is it running inkscape ?03:05
CosmoHillI've used it on inkscape before03:05
CosmoHillRedmono: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_GruOfYo403:06
Redmonocan you use autocad with it ?03:06
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Redmonoerr i meant blender03:07
Redmonogoogle sketchup ?03:07
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Rav_ahh ..03:08
Rav_what's meego?03:08
Redmonothat is running windows ?03:08
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Rav_hello ?03:09
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RedmonoCosmoHill: is that running windows ?03:10
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Rav_hmm..03:11
Redmonocan it be pluged into a desktop laptop or something ?03:11
Rav_nobody's awake Redmono - so it seems03:11
Rav_enjoy vrlogrs.com if ur bored :D03:11
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CosmoHillRedmono: it's connected to a powermac running photoshop03:12
Redmonowhat about windows ?03:12
CosmoHillwhat about it?03:13
Redmonothe problem is most programs are designed to use that stuff03:13
CosmoHillit's a "Cintiq 21UX", look it up03:13
Redmonoi mean arent*03:13
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Redmonobesides that damn expensive03:15
Redmono1999 ? thats almost the number of the beast :)03:16
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berndhs1999 wasn't a bad year03:17
Redmononot at all at least there wasnt a market crash03:17
berndhsi was in florida for most of it03:18
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Redmonosis you see the aligators ?03:18
berndhsnot all of them :)03:18
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Redmonocompleted its US$7.68 billion acquisition of security vendor McAfee finally a AV for MAC ?03:25
Redmono"Intel has completed its US$7.68 billion acquisition of security vendor McAfee,03:25
Redmonowho would have guessed MACfee would cost 7.68 billion !!!!03:26
Redmonoi usually got it for free03:26
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Redmonobut havent been using it for ages now03:26
CosmoHillcyas03:27
Redmonoastalavista03:27
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jonwilMcAfee is junk, the only thing that's worse is Norton03:30
Alison_Chaikenhttp://tinyurl.com/4vv4slt "Android vs. MeeGo - Which is Better for the x86?"03:32
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javispedroheh03:36
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javispedrocan't wait to see what position is he going to take =)03:36
gabrbeddAlison_Chaiken: nice.  Thanks for the link.03:36
* gabrbedd wonders what position people in this channel will take :-p03:37
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Redmonohehe linus whent to holywood :)03:38
Alison_Chaikenjavispedro, I'd like to attend the talk and find out for myself!03:39
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javispedrohe seems to have worked with android, though >:)03:44
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ali1234why would it make any difference what CPU it uses?04:04
dotblankali1234, it makes a huge difference with the cpu04:05
dotblankfor example mego could take advantage of more x86 features then android04:06
dotblankmeego*04:06
ali1234what kind of features?04:07
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ali1234unless you count 15 minute battery life and the ability to set fire to your trousers as features...04:08
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dotblankwell more accurately, some extensions like vitalization, accelerated encryption and stuff like SSE04:08
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gabrbeddali1234: The floating point performance of Atoms is about 1000x that of ARM.04:23
gabrbeddali1234: So if you're running apps that need a lot of FP power, Atom is the way to go.04:23
ali1234and that's useful on a mobile operating system... how?04:24
gabrbeddali1234: Sure, ARM's have DSP support... but the support is optional and requires special procedures to get your code optimized for it.04:24
gabrbeddmobile audio apps, for one.04:24
gabrbeddcan't think of any others.04:24
gabrbeddanyway, that's one benefit of using atom.04:25
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ali1234see, a more interesting question would be "will it ever make sense to use x86 in a mobile device?" or "will android ever be suitable for anything other than mobile devices?"04:26
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berndhsali1234: the target apps of mobiles dont' user floating point now because ARM doesn't support it well04:28
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berndhsnot because its not useful04:28
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gabrbeddali1234: would x86 ever make sense for a phone?  I don't know.04:31
gabrbeddBut for a mobile device?  I think the answer is obviously, yes.04:32
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npmgabrbedd: the DSP support is not only optional, it's also closed source, and IMHO that was part of what slowed ARM handset development -- all the nonworking lowlevel infrastrucure that needed bootstrapping before being able to build apps on top of them.... oh and aren't the opengl parts closed too...04:44
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gabrbeddnpm: +104:46
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npmpart of the problem is that "upper management" doesn't recognize how hard it is to replatform and rework... the devil is in the details that is well below the level of a powerpoint04:47
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npmIMHO if certain handset manufacturers were to ensure that the hardware they designed was totally open, with no closed device drivers... then they might be in the same position that intel was in to standardize a the x86 PC.... and make an equivalently open standard for any handset OS to work with...04:57
npm(needed, a handset bios that's open)04:58
npmand if you're going to be a hardware mfgr, then you want to make hardware that runs as many platforms as possible04:59
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dcthangsomeone knows good calligra pack for Meego?05:09
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npmwell it's not part of fedora or rpmfusion....  but meego doesn't have KDE (unless you install fedora's :-) )05:16
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* npm clicks "always translate Finnish" in google chrome :-)05:19
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xiambaxWhat are the thoughts on the ExoPC?07:13
xiambaxGood buy? Its the only one Im seriously interested in07:14
xiambaxAtom run meego smoothly?07:14
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npmyes07:35
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npm(re atom and smooth)07:35
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iekkumorning07:47
dm8tbr'bry07:47
Stskeepsmorn07:53
lbt'night07:53
lbt:)07:53
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xiambaxcan you theme me ego?08:34
Stskeepsmeego? yes08:35
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xiambaxIs there a UI team08:35
xiambaxand what does latest look like08:36
xiambaxrunning in vm08:36
xiambaxfind Ui to be scary08:36
Stskeepsnetbook or hanset?08:36
xiambaxvm netbook08:36
xiambaxI'm sold on meego actually08:38
xiambaxwhats it based on08:38
xiambaxcan i add repos08:38
Stskeepsitself, mostly08:38
Stskeepsyes08:38
xiambaxYour thoughts on ExoPC/08:38
xiambax?08:38
Stskeepshaven't tried it in person08:39
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MyrttiStskeeps: you're still wearing your slip08:39
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Myrttiin case you haven't noticed08:39
Stskeepsno, didn't actually08:39
Stskeeps:P08:39
xiambaxHow can i get alpha 1.2?08:40
Stskeepsrepo.meego.com08:40
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xiambaxis there a command i can do that just does it all for me?08:42
Stskeepsmm, not sure08:42
xiambaxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaJwrmk86Ir08:42
xiambaxThis video impressed me08:42
xiambaxIve been tablet shopping for months08:42
npmxiambax: 'dd' :-)08:43
xiambaxExoPC and me ego made my mind08:43
xiambaxCan i just update via commandline?08:43
xiambaxi have to reinstall?08:43
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xiambaxanyone?08:51
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xiambaxAnyone09:13
xiambaxWould like to install latest. 1.2 Alpha.09:13
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jonnorxiambax: See http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions and http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.210:13
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jainjacobso.. any idea about the first meego phone??12:17
Stskeepsnop, have to ask vendors :)12:17
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jainjacobI need a meego phone.. gonna buy N900... but the h/w is outdated ryt?12:22
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Stskeepsit's armv7 so not horribly12:23
Stskeeps:P12:23
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jainjacobbut whether, the 600 mhz processor is enough for meego??12:27
Stskeepswe run meego on it :P12:28
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jainjacobyep.. I seen.. but its laggy  na??12:29
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niala1hello, bon apétit13:24
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lcukniala1, are you not drunk anymore?13:37
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lcukn900oh poop internet13:43
niala1lcuk nooo  very very rarely, i don't support13:44
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niala1lcuk: today footing. with no cool meego app gps to trace me :(13:46
niala1gps works on n900 ?13:46
lcukn900niala my son was poking around some of my stuff on meego ideapad last night and comparing them against my n90013:47
lcukn900the accelerometer is not running so he had this big screen with accelerometer charts remaining still and picked it up to move it like on n90013:47
* lcukn900 should check how to do accelerometer reading on meego13:48
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timophlcukn900: qt mobility -> sensors13:49
tkeisalaniala1: I have liblocation test app running on meego n900 but that's just GPS no AGPS yet13:49
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niala1ah, well  I must google what is agps.....13:50
jonwilAGPS is cell-tower-assisted GPS13:50
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niala1ok i saw13:52
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lcukn900timoph that assumes I can use qtmobility.  i have users on n8x013:58
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lcukn900for various bits of things13:58
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lcukn900and it is a c project technically13:58
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lcukn900timoph one of the apps he was playing with was written before n900 was released and before qtm was defined14:01
* lcukn900 was surprised at how well it still runs :)14:02
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* Dijit ♪np: Matisse & Sadko - Hi Scandinavia (Original) - (5:46/6:28)14:14
Dijit^_^14:14
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lcukheh, A warning for all those who say "I cannot write, I never need to write" well, if you ever want to make it into government you need to write, a clown elected in Brazil nearly did not make it into their Congress http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/231358/Clown-gets-seat-on-congress-panel14:31
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RST38hlcuk: You mean, All UK clowns who would like to work in the government have to learn writing?14:33
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RST38hAren't they all graduating from elite schools?14:33
lcukRST38h, it makes sense14:33
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zchydemHi. Does anyone know how can I make an app to react on orientation changes on MeeGo? For Maemo 5 there is flag: Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, but is there something similar for MeeGo/Qt? And I don't want to use anything from MeeGoTouch...14:35
lcukzchydem, well which MeeGo are you on about?  (UX netbook/tablet/handset/ivi etc)14:36
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zchydemhandset14:36
zchydemlcuk: ^14:36
zchydemwe have some MeeGo 1.9.x something in use14:36
zchydem-some14:37
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lcukzchydem, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't but the window manager is meegotouch14:38
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lcukie no way for you to avoid it14:38
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zchydemWell yes, it handles it, but I have a plain Qt app. We have pretty much disabled all the MeeGoTouch stuff there e.g. no meego/duihome running. No theme daemon etc..14:39
zchydemI'm actually asking this because it seems if I do a rotation 90 degrees the performance seems to drop14:39
zchydemSo no I'm wondering if there is another way to do this stuff..14:40
zchydemnow14:40
lcukhow are you doing it at the moment, ie if you use xrandr to rotate then test, shouldn't it be native speed?14:40
lcukhowever if you are using qt to rotate, might that be where the performance difference comes from?14:41
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ali1234lcuk i would expect it to be the other way around14:51
lcukali1234, ?14:51
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ali1234xrandr drivers have historically done that14:51
ali1234that is, when you rotate with xrandr, you lose HW acceleration (historically that is, might be fixed now)14:51
lcukdone what? software rotation rather than just setting flags on the lcd driver?14:52
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lindi-ali1234: I wish fbdev supported xrandr at all14:52
* lcuk has had to implement software rotation (using Amiga thinking!) because rotated XV does not historically work everywhere14:52
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ali1234however, rotation through Qt should not affect speed because most of what it does is rotation independent anyway, especially if it is using GL acceleration14:53
ali1234no, not software rotation14:53
ali1234just that the drivers will often refuse to support OpenGL is rotation != 014:54
LynoureNo meego for me anymore, went android.14:54
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ali1234s/is/if/14:54
infobotali1234 meant: just that the drivers will often refuse to support OpenGL if rotation != 014:54
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ali1234anyway, i have not tried it on recent intel or pvr14:54
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Rasihi15:25
Rasii am a bit confused15:25
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Rasiwill meego 1.2 netbook UX be release in summer or not?15:25
Rasior is it completely dead15:25
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Stskeepsi think it will be released, but no new features i think15:27
Stskeepsjust fixes15:27
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CosmoHillisn't version 1.2 targeted for April?15:32
lcukeek15:35
lcuktodays daily pinetrail images (for both handset and netbook) are not bootable15:35
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passwordêó15:36
passwordhi15:37
lcuki got the netbook image lastnight and it could not boot, and today I got the handset image with same effect15:37
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lcukthough an abs() comparison/inversion is still much much cheaper than sqrt17:33
Ans5i☺17:33
CosmoHillAns5i: oooo, what did you press to do that?17:33
Ans5ictrl+c + ctrl+v17:34
Ans5ihttp://shrey27.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/facebook-smileys-utf-8-codes/17:34
ali1234in terms of calculating the length of a vector (which is the most common reason for using pythagoras) the negative sqrt makes no sense17:34
ali1234since you are converting a vector to a scalar17:34
ali1234and this is why all good 3D engines (including Qt) have a squaredLength() function on their vector class17:34
thiago_osl:-)17:36
thiago_oslanyway, flight is boarding17:36
* thiago_osl is going to HEL for open governance17:36
lcukthiago_osl, \o17:37
CosmoHillcyas17:37
Stskeepsgood luck!17:37
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ScriptRipperping lool18:04
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smokuwhat happened to builds/trunk/daily ?18:40
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lardmanJaffa: hey thanks for the mention re multitouch18:46
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lcukon the n900, is there a standard/safe way to happily use and store data somewhere not on the microsd - for instance when setting up Maemo MyDocs with some scripts and packages to use in daily testing images19:09
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Jaffalardman|gone: No probs. What I'm here for!19:58
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gabrbeddIs the MeeGo version of Qt include the Embedded features?  (E.g. QDecoration)20:17
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gabrbedderm... /supposed/ to included?20:20
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jonnorgabrbedd: no, Meego uses Xorg20:40
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gabrbeddjonnor: thanks.  I was trying to find a portable workaround for bug 2953.20:50
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2953 nor, High, ---, jesse.barnes, REOP, Many third-party Apps' window (i.e. glxgears, xterm) is not working in the fullscreen mode20:50
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jonnorgabrbedd: fix, don't work-around20:55
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gabrbeddjonnor: yes, master yoda.20:57
gabrbedd:-)20:57
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CosmoHillsounds like duct tape is out of the question21:01
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: only if you're trying to repair a duct.21:11
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berndhsgabrbedd: so duct tape is ok when it says "broken pipe" ?21:11
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gabrbeddberndhs: Nope.  A pipe is a duct.  Scientific studies have proven that duct tape is an extremely effective repair media for nearly every purpose EXCEPT repairing and sealing ducts.21:14
CosmoHillthe british army confirms this21:15
berndhsmaybe the army was using the wrong side21:16
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* CosmoHill gives thomasjfox a cookie for working on Rockbox21:17
thomasjfoxCosmoHill: Thanks. Funny, my microSD card arrived today...21:18
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* thomasjfox wonders if it's a sane thing to install a 1.1.90.5.20110301 meego image for a first try21:19
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CosmoHillI'm making a dual boot cluster, you notion sounds relatively sane21:20
CosmoHillworse case is you've lost an hour of your time21:20
thomasjfoxI can live with that ;) Still reading the instructions on how to dual boot this beast21:21
CosmoHillturn it off, remove memory card, turn back on21:21
thomasjfoxhow is the active kernel selected?21:21
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CosmoHill~faq?21:22
infobotcosmohill, the FAQ is available at http://cvs.prohost.org/index.php/FAQ21:22
CosmoHillthat's not the bot or FAQ I'm after21:22
thomasjfoxI think I've seen something in the wiki21:22
CosmoHillhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC21:23
thomasjfoxStill have 15 minutes until the download is finished, so no worries :)21:23
gabrbeddCosmoHill: When will we see OpenMPI for RockBox?21:25
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CosmoHillgabrbedd: we're currently waiting for battery life in devices to improve since OpenMPI is processor intensive it drains the battery to fast21:26
gabrbeddCosmoHill: mpm. even when the USB cable is plugged in?21:27
gabrbedd:-p21:27
CosmoHillwell yes you can use USB but it's not really a portable device if it requires a power source21:28
gabrbedd:-)21:28
gabrbeddBTW, is the current Handset build as rough on an N900 as it is on a netbook?21:29
DawnFosterFYI: MeeGo Community Office Meeting starting in 30 min - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings21:29
* CosmoHill wonders if it's a meeting he should care about and if he will be sober when it takes place21:30
StskeepsCosmoHill: depends if you keep on drinking or not21:31
* Stskeeps could need a martini, was a good day today21:32
CosmoHillI will have seen 3 of my best friends by the end of today so today is a very good day21:32
gabrbeddStskeeps: Wait... they're serving drinks at the meeting?  I'm there!21:32
thomasjfoxIs there anything special on this page: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php ? It doesn't accept my IEMI :o)21:33
Stskeepsthomasjfox: then you don't have a CE n900 :P21:33
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Stskeepsthomasjfox: just grab from repo.meego.com , the 1.1.90's21:33
thomasjfoxso the "original" nokia image doesn't contain anything extra/proprietary?21:34
Stskeepsso, there's a bit of history there :)21:34
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thomasjfox:o)21:35
Stskeepswe used to not have permission to put some bits on meego.com so we had to store images for n900 on tablets-dev. because of various things, we weren't able to get 1.1 as good as it could be (graphics drivers, etc), so we put up a marketing image21:35
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Stskeepsnowadays we are just dumping random bits and pieces there, and normal releases goes on repo.meego.com21:36
thomasjfoxStskeeps: ok. thanks.21:36
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thomasjfoxis "uboot-power" the right package to install for permanently running dual boot + power kernel?21:42
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* thomasjfox has a vague feeling he will have to reflash his N900 tonight :)21:43
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CosmoHillnow would be a good time to meantion that I don't own a N90021:45
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Stskeepstime to buy one21:46
Stskeeps:P21:46
thomasjfoxCosmoHill: Now that you say it, I remember you said it before :)21:46
CosmoHillbut they cost money21:46
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: So... what do you use?  The SDK?21:47
CosmoHillpure luck and a text editor21:48
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CosmoHillwww.macromates.com << I'd recommend that for mac users21:48
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Ha! :-)21:51
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* thomasjfox didn't brick it21:54
gabrbedd\o/21:55
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CosmoHillthat's good, for both meanins21:56
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CosmoHillthe Community Office Meeting starts in 4 minutes21:56
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lcuklol http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bostonpolice.jpg22:46
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* thomasjfox wonders if the meego settings menu really looks that odd with f.e. "!! MainPage" and very strange colors23:20
dm8tbrdeveloper things I guess :)23:21
xiambaxi installed 1.1.90 and it doesn't look like this.23:21
xiambaxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaJwrmk86I23:21
xiambaxhow do i get 1.2 alpha ?23:21
dm8tbrxiambax: go to the intel site23:21
xiambaxlink?23:21
dm8tbrgoogle?23:21
xiambaxhey common23:22
xiambaxi know how to google me ego intel23:22
xiambaxi dunno what I'm looking for though23:22
xiambaxappup?23:23
gabrbeddthomasjfox: actually, I wondered if I was the only one seeing that!23:23
gabrbeddthomasjfox: Does the wifi applet work for you?23:24
thomasjfoxgabrbedd: It looks totally broken. F.e. the settings menu is called "qtn_sett_main_connections"23:24
thomasjfoxbelow it says "qtn_sett_main_connections_label2"23:24
gabrbeddthomasjfox: Yeah, that's what I'm getting on x86.23:24
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gabrbeddthomasjfox: IIRC, it's the same on Intel's Tablet UX.23:25
thomasjfoxgabrbedd: So I guess the current build is broken23:25
thomasjfoxcrap :)23:25
thomasjfoxAs meego is rpm based, can I install a known-to-work 1.1 version and upgrade it to something recent?23:26
gabrbeddthomasjfox: some of it is regressions from internal API changes...23:26
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gabrbeddthomasjfox: and I think some of it never worked.23:26
gabrbeddhowever, 1.1 works a lot better than the current builds.23:27
gabrbeddafaik, there are no official upgrade paths.  I think they're really just trying to get it working.23:28
xiambaxfound it23:28
thomasjfoxI'll try to get the 1.1 nokia version for n90023:29
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thomasjfoxboot up is also complaining about missing /bin/awk and /bin/find23:30
xiambaxSo what are your thoughts on ExoPC?23:30
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thomasjfoxxiambax: I just took a quick look to make sure it looks totally different from what I have here :o)23:32
thomasjfoxxiambax: Looking nice though!23:32
xiambaxWhat do you mean23:32
smokuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-8n-JXeegs  :)23:33
xiambaxare there lots of people working on meego now?23:34
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xiambaxis it possible to run 1.2 Alpha on none pine trail procs?23:42
xiambaxsay in Virtual Machine?23:42
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gabrbeddxiambax: If your VM supports Atom/Core2 processor emulation and also OpenGL ES, then yes.23:50
xiambaxVirtualbox23:51
gabrbeddxiambax: I think MeeGo provides a version of qemu that can do it in repo.meego.com/tools/23:51
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xiambaxthis is to much trouble to just try 1.223:55
xiambaxill just buy an exopc23:55
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lcuk\o timeless_office23:57

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