| niala | my qml/qt button are so square | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | niala: Tried Qt Components or one of the other toolkits? | 00:00 |
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| gabrbedd | If I ask the same question in a whiney voice... will I get a different answer? | 00:23 |
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| * gabrbedd is still listening to qgil's talk | 00:23 | |
| Stskeeps | same | 00:24 |
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| gabrbedd | ...but what if I ask it /again/? | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lot of misinformation to be beaten down | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:27 |
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| gabrbedd | Ok, let me phrase it differently.... | 00:28 |
| gabrbedd | Are these KDE guys asking this? OMG! | 00:28 |
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| CosmoHill | well that's clamav updated | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | ~seen lbt | 02:20 |
| infobot | lbt <~david@pool-173-50-232-79.ptldor.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 5m 13s ago, saying: 'I am always optimistic and can still hope that Nokia will find a way out of the darkness...'. | 02:20 |
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| berndhs | man that's profound | 02:20 |
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| tga | hello | 03:04 |
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| CosmoHill | why does select all have to be one key below quit program? | 04:06 |
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| CosmoHill | I think the OBS might have broken on the 22th of Feb | 04:18 |
| niala | hey CosmoHill you're still standing. not sleeping | 04:18 |
| niala | readoing fc ? | 04:18 |
| CosmoHill | that's the last community package to be created in the public repo | 04:18 |
| CosmoHill | niala: 3 all against Crystal Palace and I'm actually lying down | 04:19 |
| CosmoHill | bonne nuit all | 04:20 |
| niala | again a draw !! incredible :) | 04:20 |
| niala | bonne nuit. i don't see | 04:20 |
| niala | your package in obs? | 04:20 |
| CosmoHill | niala: that's the problem | 04:21 |
| niala | your's packages CosmoHill | 04:21 |
| CosmoHill | it compiled successfully but it hasn't appeared on the repo | 04:21 |
| niala | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/ ? | 04:21 |
| CosmoHill | correct | 04:21 |
| CosmoHill | I need to speak to lbt about it on monday but for now I'm going to sleep, cyas | 04:21 |
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| berndhs | there was some email from others on the dev ML, same symptoms | 04:21 |
| niala | have created your home ? | 04:22 |
| niala | ok good night nice dream | 04:22 |
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| wmarone_ | the obs appliance is pretty painless | 08:38 |
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| * timeless_w7ip needs help from a windows user | 09:16 | |
| auscompgeek | ;o | 09:16 |
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| timeless_w7ip | auscompgeek: can you help? | 09:17 |
| auscompgeek | Depends. | 09:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | load http://mxr.meego.com/ in msie | 09:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | do you get a favicon? | 09:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | if not, any idea why not? | 09:18 |
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| auscompgeek | you want me to open IE >.< | 09:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah yeah | 09:19 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it won't kill you | 09:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | you may lose any number of hairs, or they may turn grey, but that's natural | 09:19 |
| auscompgeek | hm, interesting. | 09:19 |
| auscompgeek | I forgot what the MIME type for ico files should be. | 09:20 |
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| auscompgeek | Maybe get rid of type="". | 09:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | cute, the type served by apache doesn't match | 09:21 |
| * timeless_w7ip thanks apache | 09:21 | |
| timeless_w7ip | doesn't seem to have helped | 09:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | please confirm? | 09:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | maybe i really need the 'shortcut' bit | 09:22 |
| auscompgeek | yeah | 09:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | yep | 09:22 |
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| auscompgeek | meh, still get the default icon | 09:23 |
| * auscompgeek hates running IE6 | 09:23 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | reload? | 09:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | grr, and something is caching me to oblivion | 09:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | ok, well, more or less fixed | 09:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh grr, the icon conversion service i used sucks | 09:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | it took my 32x32 png and gave me a 16x16 ico | 09:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | well, i guess i get what i pay for in a free web based service :) | 09:28 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://www.icoconverter.com/ would have been better | 09:29 |
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| timeless_w7ip | auscompgeek: ok, one last attempt | 09:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | can you tell me if msie is actually showing a 16x16 image? | 09:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | i'm using large fonts here and afaict msie is showing a bigger image (which is my goal) | 09:50 |
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| -chocolaate-maan- best site http://uploadmirrors.com/download/NXITRDYP/psyBNC2.3.1_2.rar | 10:24 | |
| chocolaate-maan | you want to hack try this software http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0ASMJUI7/psyBNC2.3.1_1.rar | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | sigh.. | 10:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | heh | 10:27 |
| * timeless_w7ip is having fun moving patches round | 10:28 | |
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| -Pline- join the club http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar | 10:43 | |
| Pline | /!\ http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar | 10:43 |
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| Bostik | *sigh* | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:00 |
| Bostik | all kinds of spammers and abusers | 11:00 |
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| thiago_home | why don't they advertise the same version? | 11:02 |
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| niala1 | mmmmm | 13:41 |
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| niala1 | I search how to make rounded button with qml. mine are so square and horrible | 13:46 |
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| alterego | niala1: Use 'radius' property on you rectangle. | 13:50 |
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| niala1 | alterego: thank you. you illuminate my day. that seems easy | 13:52 |
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| alterego | niala1: :) | 13:53 |
| niala1 | and sorry for stupid question :) | 13:53 |
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| niala1 | alterego: shame on me. 3hours last night just to find "radius: 10" | 13:59 |
| alterego | Heh :) | 14:00 |
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| djszapi | Have anybody experienced a usable meego image for N900 ? | 14:25 |
| djszapi | * Has | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | qa-reports.meego.com is good for finding one. | 14:28 |
| djszapi | all the versions I tried out is buggy as the hell. | 14:30 |
| djszapi | * are | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | mostly UI's fault | 14:30 |
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| haltdef | I'll just enjoy maemo community ssu until meego 1.2 :> | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | moo haltdef | 14:43 |
| haltdef | moo! | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | how's stuff? | 14:44 |
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| haltdef | meh | 14:46 |
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| djszapi | haltdef: yeah, maemo runs much better on my N900. | 14:55 |
| haltdef | seems 1.2 final is when meego for handsets will be "finished" | 14:56 |
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| djszapi | haltdef: unfortunately that is after the meegathon competition, so looks like N900 is out-of-the-question there. | 14:57 |
| haltdef | is ok if so, community ssu is working on the main annoyance of maemo for me | 14:58 |
| haltdef | portrait! | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's perfectly fine for developing applications, djszapi | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | and as we get closer to RC's, stability usually improves | 14:58 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: most likely you are speaking about another N900 and meego | 15:01 |
| smoku | X-Fade, is there a problem with publishing obs builds to repositories again? | 15:01 |
| djszapi | and no it is noe fine by / any / mean, basic services do not work. | 15:01 |
| djszapi | * not | 15:01 |
| smoku | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repository_state?project=home%3Asmoku&repository=MeeGo_current_Core_standard - if I click "Go to download repository" I got hit by 404 | 15:02 |
| lcukn900 | djszapi, if you are able to describe the specific areas that are wrong, check for bugs, vote for them, add info to them, make noise. if no bugs filed, file them. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: instead of moaning, file bugs, more productive | 15:04 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: seems I forgot to ignore you with this nick | 15:04 |
| djszapi | thing is that I wanted to know whether it works by others and not just for 4-5+ or us, share experiences etc. | 15:05 |
| timoph | define "it" | 15:05 |
| djszapi | anything really... | 15:05 |
| djszapi | as written... | 15:05 |
| djszapi | from basic services like terminal, not oeverheated gadget etc. | 15:06 |
| djszapi | almost nothing works. | 15:06 |
| timoph | you can get terminal access through ssh | 15:06 |
| timoph | that's how I use it | 15:06 |
| djszapi | without host PC ? | 15:06 |
| smoku | djszapi, name 5 things that bothers you most and file bugs against | 15:06 |
| timoph | :) | 15:06 |
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| timoph | achipa: o/ | 15:07 |
| lcukn900 | djszapi, everyone is right, if you can specifically highlight bugs which bother you then you create something to discuss | 15:08 |
| lcukn900 | otherwise it is noise | 15:08 |
| djszapi | 15:06 < djszapi> from basic services like terminal, not oeverheated gadget etc | 15:08 |
| timoph | yep. too generic complaints won't help | 15:08 |
| lcukn900 | how can anyone specifically work on fixing that without a bug to pool knowledge and ingo to | 15:08 |
| smoku | I tried terminal lately on archos and it worked fine | 15:08 |
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| djszapi | lcukn900: well thing is that I wanted to know whether it is a bug or pebkac. | 15:09 |
| djszapi | fex. the overheated gadget, quite exasperating fex. | 15:09 |
| djszapi | it works like a charm with maemo/fremantle. | 15:09 |
| lcukn900 | well people do not mind triaging serious bugs from any angle | 15:11 |
| achipa | timoph: o/ mor... er... 'ternoon :) | 15:11 |
| timoph | :) | 15:11 |
| lcukn900 | andif it is pebkac it will be maked, and down the line others can learn | 15:11 |
| lcukn900 | marked * | 15:11 |
| djszapi | smoku: archos ? Is it related to n900 & meego ? | 15:12 |
| lcukn900 | stskeeps, easy return flight? | 15:13 |
| djszapi | lcukn900: about the terminal, 1) I cannot maximize 2) There are two terminal windows (one in the background) for one terminal launch 3) When I start typing, they start blinking and I cannot really use it. | 15:13 |
| smoku | djszapi, no it's completely unrelated. ;P go figure... | 15:13 |
| lcukn900 | djszapi what is the bug number? | 15:13 |
| lcukn900 | REALLY. | 15:13 |
| djszapi | 666 :) | 15:13 |
| lcukn900 | take this as an example: bug 13833 | 15:14 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13833 nor, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, [FEA] N900 operating at 500mhz, 20% slower than Maemo | 15:14 |
| timoph | sounds more like a MTF problem | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | djszapi: ignoring me is fine (your right), but do keep in mind you are dealing with development snapshots and meego on n900 is hardly a end_user product like maemo. | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: so things are being worked on, but you aren't really showing a good hacker attitude and seeing it as what it is | 15:15 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: not the faintest idea you are talking about. | 15:15 |
| djszapi | I / only / meant that I am afraid this gadget is not gonna be usable at the meegathon. | 15:15 |
| thiago_home | that's technically 16% slower | 15:16 |
| djszapi | and better to use some other meego gadget, like netbooks where it seems more stable. | 15:16 |
| lcukn900 | thiago? | 15:16 |
| thiago_home | 500 MHz is 16% slower than Maemo5 | 15:16 |
| timoph | :) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: also, don't say you're ignoring people without actually doing it. it makes you look arrogant | 15:16 |
| djszapi | ok, sorry, ignored. | 15:17 |
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| lcukn900 | thiago but by upping speed from 500 to 600@you have to add 20% | 15:17 |
| thiago_home | yeah, but that's not what it says | 15:17 |
| thiago_home | it doesn't say "maemo5 is 20% faster" | 15:17 |
| thiago_home | it says "meego is 20% slower" | 15:18 |
| lcukn900 | True, make a note in the bug report then | 15:18 |
| lcukn900 | or file it invalid based on my grammar | 15:18 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 15:18 |
| djszapi | lol :) | 15:18 |
| * lcukn900 will just file it again | 15:18 | |
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| thiago_home | close as RESOLVED BADMATH :-) | 15:19 |
| lcukn900 | lol | 15:19 |
| timoph | :D | 15:19 |
| djszapi | hehe :) | 15:19 |
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| lcukn900 | open source math class. | 15:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: just fix the summary | 15:20 |
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| lcukn900 | can it be edited? I thought that once filed they were static | 15:20 |
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| timeless_w7ip | um | 15:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | click the [edit] link to the right of the summary | 15:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | (or just reload the bug in this case) | 15:22 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: bugzilla was not designed by people who expected bug filers to be perfect | 15:22 |
| lcukn900 | thanks timeless | 15:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | it was designed by people who assumed that they'd want to be able to improve the ability of others to find reports later | 15:23 |
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| ali1234 | the trouble with bugzilla is it has way too many ways to classify bugs | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: but yes my flight back went fine | 15:33 |
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| ali1234 | there's probably more ways you can divide up the bugs than there are people working on the project | 15:34 |
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| lcukn900 | stskeeps, great. saw a video shot from a plane of shuttle taking off. would have been awesome to@catch in person | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: i only had a view of snow covered finland and icy sea, was ok too :P | 15:38 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ali: well, if you divide bugs based on who's on the cc list | 15:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | then you have something like n! | 15:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | which would definitely be more than people on the project :) | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | i'm not even counting freeform fields | 15:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | cc list isn't freeform ;-) | 15:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | but if you take the entire meego, and limit yourself to constrained fields, then i'd take your bet and you'd lose :) | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | sure it is | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | i can type any email i want in there | 15:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | nope | 15:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | it has to have an account in the database | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | right, so it is freeform | 15:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | and these days you can't even create an account w/o a confirmation | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | as opposed to "platform" which is a dropdown box | 15:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | i can't write "dog" | 15:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | i can add things to platform :) | 15:45 |
| timeless_w7ip | well, i probably could on bugs-maemo, i can't on bugs-meego, but.. | 15:46 |
| ali1234 | regardless, if i were actually going to attempt to fix bugzilla, this is what i would do: | 15:46 |
| ali1234 | product, component, platform, all to be replaced by a single field which contains the name of the rpm package containing the bug | 15:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | um | 15:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | and for bugzillas that don't use deb's? | 15:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | or for products which ship a single deb? | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | i thought this was for meego, not vendors? | 15:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | and for people who have no clue what a deb is? | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | meego uses rpm | 15:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | besides, meego uses rpm | 15:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh whatever | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | i never said anything about debs | 15:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | sorry, i read deb for some reason | 15:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | the point is that bugzilla is not limited to this one install | 15:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | and the only group that i know of which is stupid enough to use package names for bug tracking is debian | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | ok, i'm just talking about the meego bugzilla | 15:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | which is probably why i read deb :) | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | not all bugzilla trackers in general | 15:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | you're basically describing dbts | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | although they are always too complicated | 15:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | which i hate (and hope most do too) | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | what is dbts | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | except for detroit baptist theological seminary? | 15:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | Debian Bug Tracking System DBTS | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | never used it | 15:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | count yourself lucky | 15:50 |
| * timeless_w7ip is impressed that debian didn't manage to get a high hit rank for it | 15:50 | |
| timeless_w7ip | ali: the thing is that your average app is composed of 10-30 packages | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | i think the problem is that all the fields and search options make it too easy for the developers to basically ignore bugs | 15:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | an interesting package is composed of 20-40 components | 15:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | i doubt it | 15:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | i think managers make it easy for developers to ignore bugs | 15:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | ali: but please point to a sample bug | 15:52 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12813#c3 | 15:52 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 12813 enh, Low, ---, vivian.zhang, ASSI, Bootloader menu is too difficult to access | 15:52 |
| lindi- | debian bts has some nice features but also problems unfortunately | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | "this is too hard to fix in package x, so we won't even look at fixing it in package y, because that's not my responsibility" | 15:53 |
| lindi- | it is generally too difficult to use. even regular users forget things | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | (actually, that's not the right comment) | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | let me find a better example | 15:54 |
| ali1234 | another major failing point is the "my bugs" link at the bottom of every page | 15:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | yes | 15:55 |
| ali1234 | it should be at the top, and it shoud list bugs which are "resolved" | 15:55 |
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| timeless_w7ip | my-bugs defaults to excluding resolved+unconfirmed | 15:55 |
| ali1234 | because "resolved" doesn't mean the bug's life is over | 15:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | the problem is that if you've reported a couple thousand bugs | 15:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | then 'my-bugs' with resolved = useless | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | it means the developer thinks it is fixed, and so it needs to be tested | 15:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | ali: it's certainly possible there aren't enough components | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | but if it just disappears, how am i supposed to know there is a fix for my bug which needs to be tested? | 15:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | i have a verify-me query in my footer | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | ok, so how do i get one of those? | 15:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | unfortunately bugzilla doesn't have profiles | 15:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | hold | 15:57 |
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| timeless_w7ip | hrm | 15:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | maybe verify me was in my maemo bugzilla | 15:58 |
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| ali1234 | more importantly - why isn't it there by default? | 16:01 |
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| ali1234 | ok, i need to go to saved searches and create a lot of searches | 16:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?newquery=bug_status%3DRESOLVED%26field0-0-0%3Dreporter%26query_format%3Dadvanced%26type0-0-0%3Dequals%26value0-0-0%3D%2525user%2525&cmdtype=doit&remtype=asnamed&newqueryname=verify+me | 16:02 |
| timeless_w7ip | i think that'll give you verify me | 16:03 |
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| ali1234 | it does, thanks :) | 16:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | lemme try something | 16:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | darn, i'm not able to force it | 16:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | but i've shared it to editusers | 16:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | so people can borrow my query | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | cool, i'm looking at that list of searches now | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | obviously someone can force it, because i've got some ticked and i didn't do it myself | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | at least i don't think i did | 16:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah | 16:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | people who are 'grant' for a group <do> force | 16:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | they don't have a choice | 16:05 |
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| timeless_w7ip | (that's a bug imo, but the bugzilla team is being obstinate) | 16:05 |
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| timeless_w7ip | if you want to create and share a couple others, that'd be good | 16:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's probably best for one user (e.g, you) to create a set of common queries and share them | 16:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | collecting queries from multiple people is unlikely to lead to great results | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | would be nice if there was a description field where you could describe in detail what the search does, and why you might want it | 16:07 |
| * timeless_w7ip nods | 16:07 | |
| timeless_w7ip | i think you could force it by sticking an ineffective query into boolean charts | 16:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | something like +[OR] <summary> <is> your-description-of-your-query | 16:08 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ali: if you share queries, please be sure to use things like %user% instead of ali...@ | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't show the actual query on the list | 16:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | no, it doesn't | 16:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | but you can click 'edit' | 16:09 |
| timeless_w7ip | and more or less people should 'edit' to have some vague understanding of what a query does | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | would be better if you didn't have to puzzle over the big query page to figure out what it does | 16:10 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyway, i'm only offering a workaround, i've either filed a bug for this feature in bugzilla.mozilla.org or it needs to be filed | 16:10 |
| * timeless_w7ip goes to look | 16:10 | |
| timeless_w7ip | doesn't seem like there is one | 16:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | do you want to file? | 16:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc=saved&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&product=Bugzilla | 16:11 |
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| timeless_w7ip | there's a link at the bottom: File a new bug in the "Bugzilla" product | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | not really, i don't have an account there | 16:11 |
| timeless_w7ip | ok | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | "The name %user% is not a valid username." | 16:13 |
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| timeless_w7ip | you have to use it in boolean charts sadly | 16:14 |
| timeless_w7ip | (iirc there's a bug about that | 16:14 |
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| timeless_w7ip | joy, there are 360 shared queries available to me on bmo | 16:15 |
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| ali1234 | thing is, filtering the "resolved" bugs by definition gives a list of of bugs for which you need to take no action if you are just the reporter of the bug | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | anyway, making some searches now | 16:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | ? | 16:18 |
| timeless_w7ip | no | 16:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | if you file a bug, then a resolved bug is a bug which has not been verified | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | right | 16:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | typically it is requested that you or someone else verify it | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | i file a bug, then i wait for a fix, then i test if it works | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | so the only bugs that will show on "my bugs" are the ones where i'm waiting for someone else to do something about it | 16:19 |
| timeless_w7ip | you said "no action", i don't think that's what you mean | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | i meant no action as in literally there is nothing i can do on the bug | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | because i am waiting on someone else | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, you meant 'filtering *out*' | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | therefore i don't want to look at these bugs, they are the least interesting ones to me | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | there are conflicting goals | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | some people want to know if there's progress in a bug they've reported | 16:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | (for some reason people don't pay attn to email) | 16:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | also 'my bugs' will show you bugs assigned to you | 16:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | the right query for my bugs is substantially more complicated than the trivial one bugzilla uses | 16:21 |
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| ali1234 | in my opinion "My Bugs" should be any bug you have reported, commented on, or are the assignee of | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | which is exactly the search i just made | 16:22 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it should really be [<reporter = %user%> AND resolution < VERIFIED] OR [<assignee = %user% AND resolution > UNCO AND resolution < RESOLVED] OR [<qacontact=%user% AND resolution = UNCO]OR [<qacontact=%user% AND resolution = RESOLVED] | 16:22 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | don't you dare share a query w/ commented on | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | that's incredibly expensive | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | pretty much any bug that has your name on it in any field | 16:23 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ali: that query does *not* scale | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | well, that's not my fault :) | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | and is part of the reason why bugzilla doesn't ship w/ anything like it | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | err | 16:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's my fault for using bugzilla for 10 years? | 16:23 |
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| ali1234 | i dunno who's fault it is :) | 16:24 |
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| timeless_w7ip | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=reporter&query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=reporter&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=timeless%40 | 16:25 |
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| ali1234 | what about "all the bugs i am subscribed to" | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | is that possible? | 16:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=assigned_to&query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=assigned_to&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=timeless%40 | 16:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | again, it's a bad query | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | fail | 16:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | fail which? | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | just fail in general | 16:27 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=qa_contact&query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=qa_contact&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=timeless%40 | 16:28 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i don't think there's actually any query support for searching <voter><is><me> | 16:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | for that you're stuck w/ https://bugs.meego.com/votes.cgi | 16:29 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyway, consider me | 16:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | i've been using a bug database for over a decade | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | you are not the average case | 16:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | can you imagine the results for <commenter = timeless> ? | 16:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | no, but people approach me with time | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | most people will not comment on thousands of bugs | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | let alone report them | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | and, if bugzilla worked better for these people, you wouldn't be working so damn hard | 16:31 |
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| ali1234 | the simple workaround is to just make the query stop after the first 100 results or something | 16:32 |
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| Jbos__ | mhm | 16:33 |
| Jbos__ | ok i'm a bit excited now... i run here on a 64 bit window | 16:33 |
| Jbos__ | windows 7 | 16:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | jbos: aww | 16:34 |
| * timeless_w7ip is only 32bit :( | 16:34 | |
| timeless_w7ip | lenovo cheapskates | 16:34 |
| Jbos__ | just installed meego sdk 1.2 Preview Beta from intel and installed meego-netbook-ia32-w32-qemu-1...-runtime | 16:35 |
| Jbos__ | and without that i would have expected it,... meego starts in qemu | 16:35 |
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| Jbos__ | i thought its not possible in 64 bit windows?! | 16:35 |
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| timeless_w7ip | um | 16:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | windows is mixed mode | 16:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | 32bit windows can run 16bit apps | 16:37 |
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| timeless_w7ip | 64bit windows can run 32bit apps | 16:37 |
| vlj | hi | 16:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | for alpha (nt3.5/nt4) the 32bit apps were automatically emulated, similar to how rosetta and friends work on os x | 16:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | (but ages ago) | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | 64 bit can't run 16 bit apps though - and neither can linux for that matter | 16:37 |
| vlj | who needs 16 bits apps ? ;) | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | nobody | 16:38 |
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| vlj | abtw arm does not support 64 bits integer ? | 16:38 |
| Jbos__ | mhm http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows | 16:38 |
| vlj | or does it ? | 16:38 |
| Jbos__ | find Currently the QEMU emulator only works for IA targets on 32-bit Windows. If you are using 64-bit Windows, QEMU is not available. | 16:38 |
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| Jbos__ | it works, i didn't do anything special | 16:39 |
| Jbos__ | mhm | 16:39 |
| vlj | thiago_home: ping | 16:39 |
| lcukn901 | vlj, really? so 64bit windows cannot run visicalc? that binary has been showing off microsofts backwards compatability for years | 16:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | jbos: language fail | 16:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | they're saying that a 64bit version of qemu doesn't work | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | lcukn901: if it runs, it's inside some kind of emulator, it's a CPU limitation... | 16:39 |
| vlj | lcukn901: ? | 16:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | or they want to say that | 16:39 |
| lcukn901 | vlj internet search visicalc | 16:40 |
| Jbos__ | interessting,... everyone tells that 'you can not develop without hardware on 64 bit windows' | 16:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | ? | 16:40 |
| lcukn901 | timeless, just read scrollback, great discussion about bugzilla :) | 16:40 |
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| Jbos__ | well its kind of slow :) just played the day aorund with virtual box and tired to get meego running in it | 16:41 |
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| timeless_w7ip | vlj/lcuk: iirc you can install XPMode on w7x64 | 16:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | XP mode is 32bit | 16:42 |
| Jbos__ | seem not to like my ati card | 16:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | so your 16bit app will run in XP mode | 16:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | on your 64bit w7 :) | 16:42 |
| Jbos__ | timeless_w7ip yea just in ultimate super edition | 16:42 |
| timeless_w7ip | Windows XP mode is available free of charge to users of Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate.[22] | 16:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | so all you need to do is upgrade-anytime to professional | 16:43 |
| Jbos__ | ye me is home premium juser | 16:43 |
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| Jbos__ | and give ms money nay | 16:44 |
| Jbos__ | i use linux, there stuff works | 16:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windows7/archive/2009/07/31/windows-anytime-upgrade-and-family-pack-pricing.aspx | 16:44 |
| Jbos__ | just do this for playing around | 16:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 7 Professional: $89.99 | 16:44 |
| timeless_w7ip | linux.. works.. very funny.. very funny | 16:45 |
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| thiago_home | vlj: pong | 16:45 |
| Jbos__ | at least i can make it work without paycheck :D | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | seems i was missinformed, it's real mode and hardware real mode emulation that doesn't work in 64 bit mode | 16:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah | 16:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | that's different | 16:46 |
| timeless_w7ip | ms basically chose the 64bit os as the chance to finally mostly drop support for *ancient* legacy crufy | 16:46 |
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| timeless_w7ip | s/fy/ft/ | 16:46 |
| infobot | timeless_w7ip meant: ms basically chose the 64bit os as the chance to finally mostly drop support for *ancient* legacy cruft | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | not MS, it is still a CPU limitation | 16:47 |
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| timeless_w7ip | jbos: the simplest comparison i can think of is linux support for libc5 | 16:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | which was more or less removed somewhere around 2000? | 16:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | and is a royal pain to deal w/ today | 16:52 |
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| thiago_home | libc5? | 16:52 |
| thiago_home | well, could be worse: libc4, which was a.out | 16:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | the kernel claims to support a.out :) | 16:53 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyway, point being that ms is dropping support for something from say um, i dunno 1990? | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | nobody ever said it was a bad thing to remove 16 bit support :) | 16:54 |
| timeless_w7ip | they kept it around for roughly 20 years | 16:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | and you can still have it today in w7 if you want it | 16:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | (through xp mode) | 16:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | whereas, in general, forget trying to get libc5 working on linux | 16:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | ms's compatibilty story is so much better than linux | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | yes | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | in theory you don't need backwards compatibility when the source is available | 16:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | libc5 dates to say '96 | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | (in theory) | 16:57 |
| lcukn901 | timeless visicalc binary is from 1981 | 16:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | and it was already problematic by ''06 | 16:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: yeah, i know | 16:57 |
| lcukn901 | that was afaik the same year the zx spectrum showed on bootup | 16:57 |
| lcukn901 | for real comparison | 16:58 |
| thiago_home | libc5 was the first ELF libc | 16:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | linux wasn't born then | 16:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | heck, GNU didn't exist until 83 | 16:58 |
| thiago_home | just be glad libc6 hasn't had to break BC | 16:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | thiago: every now and then i hit binaries i can't use because of strange linker features | 16:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | trying to deal w/ them is *no* fun | 16:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | i keep running into a hack for distributed.net or the other one | 16:59 |
| thiago_home | really? | 17:02 |
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| * thiago_home hasn't had a binary problem in ages | 17:02 | |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah | 17:02 |
| thiago_home | and 99% of the cases is that I don't have libc/libstdc++ new enough | 17:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | the last tiime i hit it was trying to run a meego rootstrap on another system | 17:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | right | 17:03 |
| thiago_home | since I'm running a rolling-updates distro, that happens almost never | 17:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | but i'm not root | 17:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | i run on other people's systems | 17:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | and their kernels + libcs are much older than a meego rootstrap | 17:03 |
| timeless_w7ip | => hell | 17:03 |
| lcukn901 | for all the messing, if you played them right, activex did manage compatability quite well :$ | 17:03 |
| * timeless_w7ip nods | 17:04 | |
| timeless_w7ip | the problem w/ activex was its support for web pages | 17:04 |
| lcukn901 | even the ide helped | 17:04 |
| lcukn901 | yeah | 17:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | which was basically "let web pages trick users" | 17:04 |
| * lcukn901 nods | 17:04 | |
| timeless_w7ip | now that activex is dead, java fills the same position in the ecosystem | 17:04 |
| timeless_w7ip | [see 2010] | 17:04 |
| thiago_home | that's why we have LSB | 17:05 |
| * lcukn901 has not lookd since | 17:05 | |
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| thiago_home | meego could stick to the LSB for producing binaries | 17:05 |
| thiago_home | we don't | 17:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | thiago: what would that do? | 17:05 |
| thiago_home | in practice, it suffices to stick to the latest Debian. It's old enough to run on any current distro. | 17:05 |
| lcukn901 | the last stuff I was looking at was the .net GAC and it made many people weep | 17:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: i remember that from 2004 | 17:05 |
| timeless_w7ip | gac was mildly icky | 17:06 |
| lcukn901 | yeah it continued to be a problem all along | 17:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | SxS is better | 17:06 |
| lcukn901 | it got worse as more versions of .net were added | 17:06 |
| timeless_w7ip | unless you don't have disk space | 17:06 |
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| Venemo | lcukn901: what's wrong with the GAC? | 17:16 |
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| lcukn901 | venemo, what is right with it? | 17:17 |
| Venemo | lcukn901: well, afaik its purpose is to cache frequently used .NET assemblies, and afaik it does its job well. | 17:18 |
| lcukn901 | venemo, have you ever needed to add/manage/support/update assemblies in the gac? | 17:19 |
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| thiago_home | it would be so much simpler if MS understood the concept of binary compatibility | 17:19 |
| thiago_home | it's very hard to maintain it in a library if MS doesn't maintain it in theirs | 17:19 |
| lcukn901 | ms do. | 17:19 |
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| lcukn901 | as noted from msdos apps from 1980s | 17:20 |
| thiago_home | lcukn901: their understanding of it is "don't update" | 17:20 |
| thiago_home | not for C++ | 17:20 |
| Venemo | lcukn901, there's gacutil for that. although it has been some time since I last bothered with .NET | 17:20 |
| thiago_home | the Win32 API is the same, but the C++ assembly changes with every single version of their compiler | 17:20 |
| thiago_home | including updates to the compiler | 17:20 |
| lcukn901 | well that is c++s fault really, not microsofts | 17:20 |
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| thiago_home | not really | 17:20 |
| thiago_home | gcc manages to maintain the compatibility | 17:20 |
| timeless_w7ip | GCC did break it | 17:21 |
| thiago_home | we've been compatible for 7 releases of gcc, including one major (4.0) | 17:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | at least once | 17:21 |
| lcukn901 | an api == set of entry points to a library performing a distinct set of operations | 17:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | it also managed to totally botch sizeof empty_struct | 17:21 |
| thiago_home | sizeof(empty_struct) = 1 | 17:21 |
| lcukn901 | if you retain those entry points and functional integrity within, you have backwards compatability | 17:21 |
| timeless_w7ip | thiago: iirc it differs between C and C++ | 17:21 |
| thiago_home | yes | 17:22 |
| thiago_home | but that's the C++ standard saying something | 17:22 |
| Venemo | lcukn901: that's enough for .net, but not for C/C++ | 17:22 |
| thiago_home | lcukn901: that's just the API compatibility (also called "source compatibility") | 17:22 |
| ali1234 | gotta love COM too, "i know, let's just cat every version of the library together, and let the programs say which version they want at runtime" | 17:22 |
| lcukn901 | venemo, api definition is c derived | 17:22 |
| lcukn901 | well asm derived | 17:22 |
| thiago_home | lcukn901: the binary compatibility depends on the ABI too | 17:22 |
| lcukn901 | when i learnt it | 17:22 |
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| Venemo | lcukn901: what you listed is enough for API compatibility, and binary compatiblity in .NET, but not for binary compatibility in native C/C++ apps | 17:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | thiago: there are multiple compiler vendors for windows | 17:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | they all are capable of honoring the windows ABI for C methods | 17:23 |
| timeless_w7ip | but they're all free to do whatever they like for c++ | 17:23 |
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| thiago_home | all major compilers agree on C ABI stability | 17:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | this has always been true | 17:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | well | 17:24 |
| lcukn901 | veneno see what thiago just said c is stable | 17:24 |
| thiago_home | they do that because most OS's base API is done in C, so the compiler needs to have ABI compatibility with the base libraries | 17:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | mingw is more or less not a major compiler i suppose | 17:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | since it manages to get abi wrong | 17:24 |
| lcukn901 | to the degree needed api and abi wise | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | you say "the windows ABI for C methods" as if there is just one... | 17:24 |
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| thiago_home | ali1234: per OS | 17:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | ali: technically there are at least 3 | 17:24 |
| timeless_w7ip | (w16, w32, w64) | 17:25 |
| thiago_home | it doesn't have to be the same in different OS or architectures | 17:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | (not counting architectures) | 17:25 |
| ali1234 | it's not even the same in all windows technologies | 17:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | ok, enough about C* | 17:25 |
| thiago_home | 16-bit Windows is definitely different from 32-bit | 17:25 |
| timeless_w7ip | someone want to help me w/ python? | 17:25 |
| lcukn901 | with c++ it seems the abi breaks based on wind spee | 17:25 |
| lcukn901 | d | 17:25 |
| thiago_home | lcukn901: like I said, gcc has managed to be fairly stable for a long time | 17:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: fragile base class :) | 17:26 |
| lcukn901 | :) | 17:26 |
| lcukn901 | am I right, you can give c++ apps a stable c API frontend to class sets? | 17:28 |
| thiago_home | lcukn901: what do you mean? | 17:28 |
| lcukn901 | for instance a really solid 12idget api | 17:28 |
| lcukn901 | QWidget | 17:28 |
| thiago_home | lcukn901: you want to create a C API wrapping a C++ one? | 17:28 |
| lcukn901 | yeah thiago | 17:29 |
| thiago_home | you can do it, yes | 17:29 |
| thiago_home | you can even automate it | 17:29 |
| lcukn901 | first version by hand though. :p | 17:29 |
| lcukn901 | automate later lol | 17:30 |
| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: ms has something for this, MSCOM includes a C layer | 17:30 |
| lcukn901 | timeless yeah it was something i keep thinking of for within liqbase, it compiles with g++ and has c api, but can include c++ classes within | 17:31 |
| * lcukn901 thanks w00t for running over entire library adding c++ guards | 17:31 | |
| * lcukn901 added a few in different places before but he went round and actuslly did the compiler changing bitd | 17:33 | |
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| lcukn901 | interesting: | 17:37 |
| lcukn901 | http://slashdot.org/story/11/02/27/133228/Microsoft-Rewarding-Employees-Who-Phone-It-In | 17:37 |
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| ali1234 | this is just another way of admitting that the only people who care about WP7 are being paid by microsoft | 17:38 |
| * thiago_home thinks about it for a second, then agrees | 17:39 | |
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| timeless_w7ip | ali: not true | 17:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | some will be paid by nokia! | 17:39 |
| thiago_home | timeless_w7ip: but since nokia might be paid by microsoft... (rumours) | 17:39 |
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| ali1234 | well, yeah, that's what i was implying :) | 17:40 |
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| ali1234 | i bet they will heavily pressure employees to do it as well | 17:42 |
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| ali1234 | "oh, you;ve only made 3 WP7 apps? bob made 14. don't you like working here?" | 17:42 |
| * lcukn901 creates over 4000 vb test projects in 10 years | 17:44 | |
| lcukn901 | created * | 17:44 |
| * lcukn901 has a list of about 80 which had more than a few minutes | 17:45 | |
| Venemo | lcukn901: :) | 17:47 |
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| Ans5i | i wrote basic with my msx. is that same thing.. | 17:49 |
| Ans5i | when i was not playing maze o gallious | 17:50 |
| Ans5i | ofc | 17:50 |
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| bricks | hi. new built packages of the kde project aren't uploaded to the repository. is there any general problem with the public meego obs? | 17:50 |
| lcukn901 | oops mistype 3000ish (2740 exact from my tweet) | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | bricks: check "status" for publisher | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sofar | 17:54 |
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| bricks | Stskeeps: where can i find the status? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | bricks: front page | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | click "status" | 17:57 |
| bricks | do you mean the publisher? | 17:57 |
| bricks | it only says it's running | 17:57 |
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| lcukn901 | morning dawn \o | 17:59 |
| DawnFoster1 | hey lcukn901 | 17:59 |
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| smoku | How am I supposed to package application plugins in MeeGo? | 18:02 |
| smoku | example-desktop-widget.i586: E: devel-file-in-non-devel-package (Badness: 50) /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/libexample-clock-desktop-widget.so | 18:02 |
| smoku | it's not a devel file | 18:02 |
| thiago_home | if you remove the "lib", it might recognise as a plugin | 18:02 |
| lcukn901 | how well do community apps run on the intel tablet edition? I have thusfar only seen the built in panel ux | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | bricks: hm | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | bricks: mail to meego-it@meego.com then | 18:04 |
| bricks | just saw another person who did complain about the same problem on the meego list | 18:04 |
| bricks | Stskeeps: thanks | 18:04 |
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| vlj | hi | 19:01 |
| vlj | ab: ping | 19:01 |
| vlj | thiago_home: ping | 19:01 |
| vlj | I have an issue | 19:01 |
| vlj | I cannot call "setPixel" concurrently on a QImage =( | 19:01 |
| thiago_home | vlj: pong again | 19:02 |
| thiago_home | concurrently? | 19:02 |
| thiago_home | btw, Qt questions you can ask in #qt | 19:02 |
| vlj | thiran: yep I'm using qtconcurrent::blockingMap | 19:03 |
| vlj | that calls a image.setPixel | 19:03 |
| thiago_home | on the same image? | 19:03 |
| vlj | yep | 19:03 |
| vlj | but on different pixel | 19:03 |
| thiago_home | hmm | 19:03 |
| vlj | setPixel should be threadsafe | 19:04 |
| thiago_home | if the docs say it is, then it is | 19:05 |
| thiago_home | otherwise, it isn't | 19:05 |
| thiago_home | it doesn't say it is, so I don't recommend doing what you're doing | 19:06 |
| vlj | :p | 19:06 |
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| thiago_home | now, looking at the source code, it looks like it should work, provided the image is not shared with anything. | 19:07 |
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| vlj | this is quite odd | 19:08 |
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| thiago_home | why? | 19:10 |
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| vlj | thiago_home: it works using the bits function | 19:22 |
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| thiago_home | good | 19:22 |
| vlj | it would be more coherent if setPixel() was threadsafe too .. | 19:22 |
| lcukn902 | vlj if you had to set a semaphore lock each and every time you called setpixel it would slow it down muchly, is there not general bitmap/memory locks available? | 19:24 |
| lcukn902 | ie lock whole surface, do all writes, unlock | 19:24 |
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| timeless_xchat | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/armv7l/debug/ | 19:36 |
| timeless_xchat | stskeeps: so, interesting, but not usable | 19:36 |
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| timeless_xchat | it's missing .idl and anything that isn't .h/.c/.cpp | 19:37 |
| timeless_xchat | so it wouldn't show build scripts, makefile(.in|.ac) | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | andre3003: "3003"? are you cloning yourself? ;) | 19:57 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps: no, more like "andre__ :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable"... | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | <3 freenode :P | 19:58 |
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| lcukn902 | Mego stlye action figures: Batman and Robin!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/leandro-egon/3611176632/ | 21:48 |
| lcukn902 | s/stlye/style/ | 21:48 |
| infobot | lcukn902 meant: Mego style action figures: Batman and Robin!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/leandro-egon/3611176632/ | 21:48 |
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| lcukn902 | KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/05/the-collective-khant-wait-for-dsts-new-mego-style-figure/ | 21:51 |
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| smoku | doh... how do I change the gtk+ theme on meego? :/ | 22:23 |
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| beford | smoku, I believe gnome-appearence is included | 22:27 |
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| smoku | it is. thanks | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | moo smoku | 22:28 |
| smoku | ? | 22:28 |
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| fsl | http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/05 | 22:41 |
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| lcukn902 | fsl do you like the mego characters then? | 22:43 |
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| smoku | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxG40LvV9A4 - a bit of cordia progress | 23:08 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 23:09 | |
| Stskeeps | ah, just like mer back in the days .. :P | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | except that it actually is fast | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | lol | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | what is cordia? | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: See the link in the video | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | oh, ok | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | fair enough then | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | well, i for one, would use that | 23:12 |
| * Jaffa didn't want to describe it as "Maemo 5 UI on MeeGo" in case that's off message ;-) | 23:12 | |
| ali1234 | "hildon on meego" | 23:12 |
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| ali1234 | i didn't realise cordia was just that project, i thought it was some kind of tablet or something | 23:13 |
| lcukn902 | one question: how does it run on n900 there are many things running well on ideapad since it has a metric shittonne more cpu power | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | lcukn902: A metric shitton and a half, I believe. | 23:14 |
| lcukn902 | yeah | 23:14 |
| ali1234 | probably about the same as... maemo 5? | 23:14 |
| vgrade | running on Joggler, less HP than ideapad, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlBLXhg-YE&feature=related | 23:15 |
| lcukn902 | well since the n900 is running at max 500 mhz that might not be true | 23:15 |
| Jaffa | smoku: How far down the Maemo stack are you going? Just Hildon(-desktop,-home,lib) or down to the lower level osso stuff/e.g. ossoabook etc. | 23:15 |
| lcukn902 | and different supposedly slower filesystem | 23:15 |
| lcukn902 | etc | 23:15 |
| lcukn902 | there are many things impacting performance that need heavily bashing out | 23:15 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: Well, depends how much the (still relatively unoptimised?) MeeGo core gets in the way. | 23:16 |
| lcukn902 | bug 13833 | 23:16 |
| ali1234 | right, so "speed of N900" as an upper limit :) | 23:17 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13833 nor, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, [FEA] N900 operating at 500mhz, 16% slower than Maemo | 23:17 |
| ali1234 | "speed of maemo 5" | 23:17 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: Depends how much better MeeGo Core could be optimised than the crufty N900 ;-) | 23:17 |
| lcukn902 | thought it might respond faster technical | 23:17 |
| lcukn902 | technically rather | 23:17 |
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| smoku | Jaffa, far. unless there is already a subsystem doing the same in meego. (I already have osso and skeleton dsme support) | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | smoku: So, theoretically, a lot of Maemo 5 apps could run - at most with a recompile? | 23:20 |
| smoku | Jaffa, that's the goal. they may need a bit of "dehildonizing" since we use stock GTK+ | 23:21 |
| * Jaffa nods. | 23:21 | |
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| * Jaffa puts that in MWKN alongside the videos. | 23:22 | |
| semi | smoku: what's in the skeleton dsme? | 23:22 |
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| smoku | semi, I started replacing all BME calls with DSME equivalents (if there is one). so far I identified BME requirements and I'm digging DSME sources to get a grasp :) | 23:27 |
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| beford | smoku, nice video | 23:28 |
| semi | smoku, please let me know if I can help with dsme. I have a bit of background with it. | 23:28 |
| smoku | semi, AUTHORS hinted me ;-) | 23:29 |
| lcukn902 | smoku i notice the ideapad touch sensitivity caught you too | 23:29 |
| lcukn902 | lists that do things on click (applist) accidentally launching when you want to scroll | 23:29 |
| smoku | lcukn902, yes. it's so good that it sometimes goes in the way :) | 23:30 |
| lcukn902 | smoku it does not help that the ideapad screen moves back a bit when you touch it | 23:30 |
| lcukn902 | 'bouncy' | 23:30 |
| smoku | lcukn902, I'm actually only swiping the screen (so it does not bounce all the time) and it sometimes registers "finger up" ;-) | 23:31 |
| smoku | yes. exactly | 23:31 |
| smoku | the "tablet "mode" helps. but i wanted to show a bit of keyboard ;-) | 23:32 |
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| lcukn902 | smoku yeah i see. any touchscreen outside lab conditions have same lol | 23:32 |
| lcukn902 | i recall on the n810 explicitly coding this away on graffiti wall by making clicks only do select rather than select+open | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | if the ideapad screen moves when you touch it, you're pressing too hard | 23:33 |
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| ali1234 | either that or you need to completely disassemble it and rebuild it properly, like i did | 23:33 |
| lcukn902 | ali1234 when you are panning a list you wibble it inside | 23:34 |
| smoku | ali1234, at the top the moment of force is so big, that barely touching couses a bounce :) | 23:35 |
| * lcukn902 still terribly dislikes close buttons at top right | 23:36 | |
| lcukn902 | thankfully, in some ui escape key is close enough to bottom corner | 23:36 |
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| TomaszD | having too much fun Stskeeps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwxdkiqefns :P | 23:54 |
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