IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-02-19

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lcukhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_soup is a wise tale which I remember from fractint days00:00
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lcuk(fractint developers called themselves the stone osup group)00:01
lcuks/osup/soup/00:01
infobotlcuk meant: (fractint developers called themselves the stone soup group)00:01
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CosmoHillEast is East on More4+100:03
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CosmoHillI love how the top most used words almost form a sentance00:09
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alteregomaheshk: ah, no sorry I don't.00:14
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RainCTUhm... How can I install the handset UI (and touchscreen support, etc.) on a netbook installation?00:50
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ali1234RainCT: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops00:51
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RainCTali1234: thanks00:53
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ali1234http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#Get_correct_resolution_on_IdeaPad <- i wonder if this would work for intel tablet ux? anyone tried it?00:55
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CosmoHillhot computer + glass desk = http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/1104535_3ccd086305.jpg00:57
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gabrbeddno, really, mum.  it was calculating fractals!01:05
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ali1234more like "no really i was compiling meego from scratch"01:12
tripzeroali1234, no, it doesn' apply to the tablet ux01:13
tripzerotablet ux doesn't use meegotouch01:14
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RainCTMeh, this isn't what I was looking for. Does someone know what it is they had installed on the ExoPC?01:14
ali1234maybe the intel tablet ux?01:15
RainCTWhere do I get that?01:15
ali1234http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla01:15
RainCTah, that's it01:16
RainCTwhy are there so many different iso's/repos? -.-01:16
ali1234because meego targets lots of different types of device01:16
ali1234also the intel stuff is still just a preview, it's not open so i guess it's not a official reference ux yet01:17
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ali1234but really it's not that complicated, just go to downloads and select device type to get the image01:17
ali1234the only things you wont find there are vendor customized images with closed stuff in them01:18
ali1234such as the one you wanted01:18
ali1234but that's life01:18
RainCTUhm, is it possible to get the normal meego working good on the tablet? (with touch and stuff)01:20
tripzerodefine "normal meego stuff"01:20
RainCTthe netbook one01:20
tripzeroworking, possibly.  "good", doubtfully01:21
RainCTthe intel thing looked nicer for touch but so far I've only heard from others that it works like sh*t01:21
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ali1234i think it is better than handset01:21
tripzeroRainCT, don't listen to others01:22
tripzeroali1234, +101:22
tripzeroit's much better IMHO than handset01:22
ali1234still has some nasty bugs though, but then so does handset01:22
ali1234but i prefer the overall design01:22
ali1234"i like where it is going"01:22
ali1234the touchscreen should work in the netbook ux, just that it's not designed for touch so it's a bit tricky to use01:23
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ali1234but netbook is basically the only ux that is currently suitable for actual use and not just kicking the tyres01:24
tripzerotablet ux isn't too far off01:24
tripzerobrowser has my biggest complaints right now01:25
seanvklbt: ping01:25
ali1234the video player is really bad too, i played the kitten video once and it never worked again01:25
tripzerolol01:26
tripzeroreally?01:26
ali1234just crashes when going to the list of videos, every time01:26
ali1234i can play the kitten video as much as i want, but nothing else01:26
ali1234maybe i'm doing it wrong01:26
tripzeroyup, just reproduced it01:26
tripzeroit crashes if I try to play something else01:26
tripzerosame for you?01:27
ali1234well when i run the video player now it comes up with the kitten video01:27
ali1234if i try to go back to the list it crashes01:27
tripzerostarting over seemed to work01:27
ali1234i assume it crashes, it just disappears with no error01:27
tripzeroyeh, that's probably a crash01:28
ali1234the list is displayed for about 0.1 seconds01:28
tripzeroyep01:28
jausmus_that's a known issue01:28
tripzeroyou're a known issue01:28
jausmus_I try to be :)01:28
tripzeroit's a feature01:29
tripzerosaves memory01:29
jausmus_lol01:29
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CosmoHillsince when did you need an accont for openDNS?01:57
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FaitherCosmoHill: you don't?02:00
CosmoHillhttp://www.samknows.com/broadband/cable/smallworld02:01
CosmoHillgod damn fucking firefox02:01
CosmoHillhttps://www.opendns.com/start/02:01
CosmoHillmakes it look like you need an account to get openDNS but you don't02:01
Faither208.67.222.22202:01
Faither208.67.220.22002:01
Faitheron www.opendns.com02:02
CosmoHillyes, looks a little deceptive02:02
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pupnik_23:00 < lcuk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_soup is a wise tale which I remember from  fractint days  <<<  Stskeeps02:15
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CosmoHillberndhs: hehe, you have "bee" in your IPv602:44
berndhsdont know how it got there :)02:44
CosmoHilldid you leave a window open?02:45
berndhsno my connection crashed02:45
CosmoHilland a bee flew in?02:45
berndhsperhaps02:46
berndhsno, that's just my address02:46
berndhsI can change it if its a big problem :)02:46
CosmoHillno, bee stings just hurt, they don't kill me02:47
berndhsat least ipv6 has room for insects, ipv4 is all bacteria and stuff02:47
berndhsearthquake in Florida, very strange02:48
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basiafipv6 has also room for a lot of dead:beef02:52
CosmoHillburgers?02:52
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berndhsyeah, fight the greenhouse gases, eat the cows02:56
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CosmoHillnight night03:38
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vgrade1bug 615 is fixed03:41
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 enh, Medium, ---, ryan.r.ware, ASSI, Open the access of MeeGo OBS03:41
vgrade1this will help me learn so much03:42
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berndhsfor those who have relatives there, Libya went offline04:32
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GAN900Florida has earthquakes all the time.04:41
GAN900Usually they're way out in the Gulf of Mexico and small, though.04:41
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lpotternaaa. they are just NASA farting05:09
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pupnikIControlpad now available for gaming with your cellphone - very cool indie project - http://icontrolpad.com/  http://www.gp2x.de/shop/index.php/cPath/4506:00
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Termanamorning07:47
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TermanaDamn it. I think I just sent a LinkedIn invitation to the MeeGo l1on list :\ LinkedIn is such an awkward site08:34
TSCHAKeeecongratulations08:37
TSCHAKeeewe all hate you now08:37
TSCHAKeee;)08:37
* TSCHAKeee hugs Termana ... kiddin. ;)08:37
Termana:p08:37
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amarsman_nlI would like to buy a netbook for running meego IVI, does a current hp mini 210 work? it doesn't have the the atom Z530 but the N45510:05
pupnikdoes N455 have SSE3?10:07
TSCHAKeeeyes, it does.10:07
pupnikthen you must check for graphics support10:07
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amarsman_nlI checked SSE3, it does have it10:12
StskeepsSSSE310:12
Stskeeps:P10:12
amarsman_nlGraphics is Intel GMA 415010:12
amarsman_nls/4150/3150/10:13
infobotamarsman_nl meant: Graphics is Intel GMA 315010:13
amarsman_nlaccording to the install page it's using VESA, no hw accelerated graphics10:13
amarsman_nlOn the Netbook page it states for v1.0 the HP mini 210-1044 is supported, nothing about v1.1. What I can buy now is a HP mini 210-2001sd10:15
amarsman_nlnot sure what the differences are10:15
amarsman_nlanother option would be a Samsung notebook with a N550 and same graphics10:16
amarsman_nlneed to check what the higher price and going from N455 to N550 brings10:17
pupnikhttp://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/711/Intel_Atom_N455_vs_Intel_Atom_N550.html10:18
amarsman_nlthe N550 has 2 cores10:18
amarsman_nlboth max 2 GB memory10:19
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npmhttp://nielsmayer.com/meego/netbooktablet/10:36
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* Stskeeps looks10:36
Stskeepsmerged uis?10:36
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Stskeepslcuk: http://www.noteslate.com/philosophy.htm10:38
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timophhrrr. -2711:09
Stskeepssounds cold11:11
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timophit is :)11:11
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* timoph is mentally preparing for a trip to buy food11:11
* kyb3R same here11:12
Stskeepsorder pizza?11:12
Stskeeps:P11:12
timophnot a bad idea11:12
sandst1timoph: naah, just go to pizzaonline.fi :P11:14
kyb3Rtimoph: did sandst1 sugget you already that we meet at Demola next week to hack with meego-drone stuff?11:14
timophkyb3R: he did11:14
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kyb3Rgood11:14
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timophtueday would work for me. Monday is going to be a long day so not sure if I'll have energy to hack anymore after work11:15
kyb3Rtimoph: tuesday would be best for me11:15
sandst1+1 for tuesday then11:16
kyb3Rok, around 5pm?11:16
timophso tuesday it is?11:16
timophworks for me11:16
sandst1tuesday 5pm11:16
kyb3Rdone, tuesday at 5pm at demola11:16
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lcukStskeeps, that is nice indeed :)11:30
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lcuknice article, Making things hard to read 'can boost learning'       http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-1157366612:07
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RainCTWhere should bug reports for the intel tablet thing go?13:32
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pupnikRainCT: intel13:35
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lcukRainCT, bugs.meego.com  - file them probably in netbook for now, but it might be an idea to also file a bug to request tablet ux categories13:46
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bash`hi all13:55
lcuk\o13:55
bash`if I create a set of PKGBUILDs (ebuilds in Gentoo) to build MeeGo for Arch Linux, can I keep the meego name for the X session or I've to change the name? (like Smeegol for SuSE)?13:56
bash`ps. I don't ship binaries, only PKGBUILDs13:56
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Stskeepsbash`: there is guidelines, sec13:57
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance_primer_1.013:59
bash`ok13:59
Stskeepsthis is -current policy- and there is policy bugs where clarifications/less harsh policy is being crafted14:00
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lcukare there any qt/meego/maemo apps for testing responsiveness of touchscreens, so check for misclicks or misswipes and actually come up with a comparative figure14:02
lcuk*to check for14:02
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ShadowJKhm, how would you measure that14:08
* ShadowJK is having lots of issues with his new samsung netbook's capacitive touchpad14:08
ShadowJKwould be nice to have metrics14:08
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lcukShadowJK, yeah I don't know either14:14
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lcukbut certainly, touchscreen experiences in street use vs lab conditions is different14:15
lcukit does not help when UI expects lab condition precision14:15
ShadowJKbiggest issue is that it's flush with the case, I don't feel where it starts or stops14:15
lcukShadowJK, that is device specific (n900)14:15
ShadowJKasus has textured touchpad area and smooth glossy the rest so you can feel where it is14:15
lcukI wasn't thinking touchpads necessarily14:16
lcuktouchscreens14:16
ShadowJKYeah I know14:16
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ShadowJKaccuracy, precision, sensitivity14:18
lcukShadowJK, when I had the n81014:20
lcukit never had a perfect ts for finger use14:20
lcukso all the ui and interactions I thought of tried to account for that14:20
lcuk"imperfect computing"14:20
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ShadowJKthe edges and stylus keyboard are finger usable on my N800, but the thumb keyboard is harder to use cause of low sensitivity in the middle of screen :)14:21
lcukyeah over time it seems they sag in the middle like a cake14:22
ShadowJKN810 is overall less sensitive for me14:22
lcukyeah my original n810 now has an entire zone in the centre that does not react to finger at all14:22
lcukbut works happily on its stylus14:22
ShadowJKI mostly use N800 with fingers nowadays14:23
ShadowJKexcept when typing in lots of things in xterm14:23
* lcuk still really prefers hardware keyboard14:23
ShadowJKof course14:24
lcukto the extend I never saw the n800 or iphone as a computer14:24
lcukextent14:24
ShadowJKN800 = surf in bed, N810 = alarm clock, weather forecast, music on bedside table :)14:24
lcukhaha14:24
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lcukShadowJK, setting the alarm on the n810 was a bit bob14:25
lcukn900 got it much better :)14:25
ShadowJKwell14:25
* lcuk adores the unlimited alarm feature :)14:25
ShadowJKoh you mean snooze forever?14:26
lcukno, once you set an alarm time14:26
lcukyou can set more and more14:26
ShadowJKone time I hit snooze for 9 hours before getting up14:26
lcukand activate and deactivate at will14:26
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ShadowJKMy Nokia E75 replaces "Snooze" with "Stop" after an hour or so14:27
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lcuklol14:27
* ShadowJK discovered it the unpleasant way :P14:27
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trumeeare there any plans of incorporating MythTv in meego?14:49
pupnikwhat's that14:50
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trumeepupnik, pvr14:50
niala1a xbmc like14:50
pupnikoh yes14:50
* trumee has never used xbmc but loves MythTV14:51
trumeepupnik, http://www.mythtv.org/14:51
pupniki tried getting it working once - hated the setup14:51
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trumeeIt will be ubercool to use mythtv on a tablet14:52
pupnikwhat - exactly - do you want to do?14:52
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trumeepupnik, watch LiveTv on a meego device14:52
pupnikfrom what source?14:53
trumeepupnik, streamed from my mythtv backend14:53
pupnikoh you mean a client14:53
trumeepupnik, yes or a frontend14:53
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pupnikyou could have been talking about a server for a settop box14:53
pupnikon the n900 i use knots client to watch movies, streamed/captured video14:54
pupnikbut that doesn't do the pvr14:54
trumeepupnik, yes i do use knots as well with mythtv. but it cannot do livetv14:54
niala1readme say he need libmp3lame so you must start with this14:54
niala1i don't know about XMLTV14:55
trumeeniala1, XMLTV is not really required on the frontend14:56
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trumeeniala1, it is only needed at the backend14:56
pupnikis there a QT mythtv frontend?14:56
trumeeniala1, yes. Mythtv is coded in Qt14:56
trumeepupnik, No other frontend except Qt14:57
trumeepupnik, although there were bits of Qt3 before but now it is mostly Qt414:58
pupniksounds good14:58
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plr_trumee: what kind of hardware is needed for the mythtv backend14:58
trumeeplr_, depends on what is the source of your Tv14:59
Stskeepsmyth is qt?14:59
Stskeepsnice14:59
plr_trumee: we have cable, dvb-c15:00
trumeeplr_, atom is good enough for SD content15:00
trumeeplr_, either a dvb-c card or hookup your settopbox via svideo15:00
trumeeplr_, which part of the world are you in?15:01
plr_trumee: finland15:01
trumeeplr_, not sure if dvb-c is encrypted in finland. but you can connected stb to the pc15:02
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plr_trumee: I don't think the public channels are, but commercial ones for sure15:02
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trumeeStskeeps, so will there be any interest in mythtv on meego?15:02
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Stskeepstrumee: dunno, but qt would help. how about licensing?15:03
trumeeStskeeps, gpl i suppose15:03
niala_big-bang-tlater trumee15:05
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CosmoHillget berndhs and GAN90016:10
GAN900What?16:11
CosmoHillhey*16:11
GAN900Oh, hi. :)16:11
berndhsmornin16:11
CosmoHillmy right hand was one key to the left16:11
berndhsso should have been "hry" ?16:12
CosmoHille is on the left hand16:12
berndhsah16:13
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alteregoAnyone know how to do compile time meego platform detection in Qt .pro files?16:28
thiago_homealterego: what are you trying to detect?16:29
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alteregothiago_home: presence of OpenGL ES 2 headers16:29
thiago_homealterego: no test needed16:30
thiago_homeMeeGo should have it16:30
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alteregoCurrently I'm using Q_WS_MAEMO_5, but I need to build for maemo/meego and desktop16:32
alteregoSo I need to know whether to look for GLES headers or normal GL headers16:32
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alteregoThis is basically my problem ;)16:32
Stskeepsgles16:32
thiago_homeah16:32
Stskeepsalways gles16:32
alteregoMy desktop doesn't have GLES :P16:32
thiago_homelet me check, I think there's a #define16:32
alteregoMy code is compatible with both GL2/3 and GLES216:33
alteregoBut obviously the GLES2 headers arn't on desktop16:33
thiago_homeQT_OPENGL_ES_2 is defined16:33
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Django84hi!!16:34
Django84I'm looking to buy a wireless router that has the ability to configure when connect to internet (by PPPoE) and when disconnect, automatically.16:34
thiago_homeDjango84: good for you. Also not relevant here.16:35
CosmoHillDjango84: sorry, this place is for MeeGo related issues / chat16:35
Django84ok guys thanks anyway16:36
CosmoHillDjango84: all I'd say is avoid netgear and belkin16:36
CosmoHillsay*16:36
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alteregothiago_home: by QtOpenGL?16:40
thiago_homealterego: by qconfig.h16:40
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svipSo like, after I have flashed the device, how long does it take the device to boot into MeeGo?16:59
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Stskeepswhat device?17:01
svipN900.17:01
Stskeepsdid you write the image to microsd?17:01
svipYes.17:01
Stskeepsloaded the kernel with flasher -l -k -b?17:02
svipNot -b17:02
Stskeeps-f?17:02
CosmoHillsvip: first time takes the longest17:03
CosmoHillit also depends upon the speed of the SD card you bought17:03
svipNow something is happening!17:03
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Stskeepsi hope you used -b17:03
svipI did now.17:03
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svipCosmoHill: It seems to be booted, but the system seems rather slow.17:07
svipIt took a minute for Firefox to boot.17:07
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svipAlso, do I need the SD card afterwards?17:08
CosmoHillyes, meego runs off the SD card17:08
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svipHm.17:09
svipThat's why you recommend SDHC.17:09
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psycho_oreosSDHC just means High Capacity SD :p It doesn't imply anything to do with speed. Speeds for SDHC are noted as Class ranging from 2 - 10, with 10 being the fastest17:11
svipWell, I will have to redo this process when I get my own MicroSD card.17:12
svipI got impatient, so I lended a friend's.17:12
psycho_oreosyou meant you borrowed17:13
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quetzalzunsorry for that : P17:46
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Venemo_N900hi18:02
CosmoHill.o/18:04
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Is that a side-ways, one-eyed frown?  Or a dude waving at his friened from a long distance?18:13
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gabrbeddnpm: I tried changing themes in Mixxx... and it didn't change the issue I'm having.  Thanks for the suggestion, tho.18:19
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vgrade1Take the red pill, #meego #tegra2 xterm and meegotouchhome images. #joggler #tablet ux and #xbmc images on bug10738.openaos.org18:21
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed18:21
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wazdHello all18:27
Stskeepslo wzzd18:27
Stskeepser, wazd18:27
wazdStskeeps: o/, hows it going?18:27
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Stskeepswazd: good, you?18:29
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wazdStskeeps: me too, we've decided to participate in intel's meego app contest :)18:31
Stskeepssounds like a good idea, a lot of prices :)18:31
wazdStskeeps: $50k for the "most elegant app" :)18:31
wazdStskeeps: looks like a nice opportunity for me :)18:32
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Stskeepswazd: hehe ;)18:33
wazdStskeeps: you can try to do something too :)18:34
Stskeepswazd: nah, i'm good18:35
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wazdStskeeps: you don't want additional 50k? Damn, it's good to be you :D18:41
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Stskeepswazd: i'm not much for competitions, i'm better at earning through good work :)18:42
wazdStskeeps: well, me too, but I'd take a shot anyway :)18:43
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CosmoHilloh bollocks, my two select keys have come off my phone19:26
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MindWarpertoutchy toutchy19:30
MindWarper:)19:31
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berndhs50% change of gluing them back on in the wrong order ?19:31
CosmoHillnope, they're attached to each other19:31
MindWarperif you laptop keys come of your in for treat19:32
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CosmoHillI'll need to go to the market on tuesday and get a new keypad, maybe a new case too19:33
MindWarpertry to stik them in is almost impossible :)19:33
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npmgabrbedd: hmmm.. changing skins in mixxx did it for me . in fact if you use the stock CCRMA version of MIXXX on fedora, you'll see the same problem (but it may be dependent on graphics drivers etc according to KDE/Qt people)20:52
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gabrbeddnpm: Yeah, I think this is a different issue.20:55
gabrbeddnpm: I don't know of many people playing with Mixxx on a GLES setup.20:56
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npmhmm... yeah i forgot about the GLES part. so what happens with different values for QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM20:59
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npme.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-graphics-wg/+spec/multimedia-linaro-qt-110521:00
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npmgabrbedd: have you seen this: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/netbooktablet/ :-) :-)21:01
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npm( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003477.html )21:02
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gabrbeddnpm: I tried `mixxx -graphicssystem raster` and it didn't really change anything... and I couldn't get menus and stuff to pull up.21:07
gabrbeddnpm: But that's kind of beside the point... because I want OpenGL :-)21:07
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gabrbeddnpm: Yeah, I saw the ML post... nice screen shots.  :-)21:07
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npmit's more than screenshots... it actually works as my netbook21:10
philipsbuild.meego.com has a lot of footer links still pointing at Novell/openSUSE21:10
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andre__philips, is that a problem?21:16
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philipsandre__: Uh, yes, I think you would rather redirect people to bugs.meego.com instead of bugzilla.novell.com for example ;)21:17
andre__philips, I don't get it.21:17
andre__(and if Novell or Redhat own the copyright on a particular piece of software in my GNOME desktop, I still go to GNOME's Bugzilla, so I don't get your point)21:18
thiago_homephilips: it's the OpenSUSE Build Service21:18
thiago_homewhy should we not credit OpenSUSE?21:18
andre__if they have the copyright on it, they have it. full stop.21:18
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philipsandre__: the footer on build.meego.com has a link called Help: "Reporting a Bug" which tells you how to report a bug against openSUSE the Linux distro...21:20
andre__philips, aha! now that's something completely different.21:20
philipsandre__: Same with the forum link, etc21:21
andre__I see. I thought you just refered to the copyright. Sorry, got you wrong21:21
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philipsandre__: oh, no, I meant the links21:21
andre__philips, file a report in bugs.meego.com about it, please21:21
andre__thanks in advance!21:22
philipsandre__: done.21:26
andre__thanks21:26
gabrbeddnpm: Yes, I know it's more than screenshots.  :-)21:26
ali1234btw, the community OBS was the same, last time i checked21:27
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slizardoHello!21:36
andre__hi21:37
slizardoHi, andre__, we are only two here? :-o21:37
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andre__no, but this is IRC. if everybody starts writing "Hi" too I couldn't spot the real messages anymore in all that noise ;-)21:38
andre__so I have the "Hi" response task for this hour, and next hour it's somebody else.21:38
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slizardojeje, good to know that. Very convenient.21:39
gabrbeddandre__: LOL!21:39
slizardoIs this the right place to ask a technical question about MeeGo? (from a developer point of view)21:39
andre__go ahead and just ask :)21:40
andre__if it's the wrong channel we could still redirect you...21:40
slizardoOk. I am creating a MeeGo application using QtCreator, C++, and the wonderful Qt libraries...21:40
slizardoAll my "experiments" with the technology have gone ok so far.21:41
slizardoNow I want to persist user preferences. And I couldn't find any example or documentation. My hesitates are basically,... can I write to the filesystem directly? Should I use a standard directory? The regular systems calls are permitted or should I use another mechanism?21:42
gabrbeddslizardo: Either use QSettings...21:43
gabrbeddslizardo: or write your data to $HOME/.config/my_app_name/21:44
slizardoHumm... interesting, gabrbedd.  QSettings.21:44
gabrbeddhttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qsettings.html21:45
thiago_homesee QDesktopServices::storageLocation21:45
thiago_homeit has a directory that is for your own app21:46
slizardoVery useful that too, thiago_home.21:46
slizardoFrom I can see on the documentation for QSettings...21:47
slizardoIs an excellent class to store key=>value information. I will use it in certain21:48
slizardoBut...21:48
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slizardoIf I want to store lot of information with structured information, such as an XML, .. the way to obtain a path where to save it is using the solution suggested by thiago_home, I suppose. Am I right?21:50
thiago_homeyes21:51
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slizardoCool, and now the last thing. Is there something like a sqlite in MeeGo?21:53
slizardo(I mean, official support for sqlite, or an alternative library/service)21:54
berndhsthere is sqlite21:54
gabrbeddthiago_home:  Looks like you have to use QApplication::applicationName() and QApplication::organizationName() in order for QDesktopServices::storageLocation(DataLocation) to work.21:54
gabrbeddRight?21:54
thiago_homegabrbedd: right21:55
gabrbeddthiago_home: thx  slizard: did you follow that?21:55
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thiago_homeslizardo: sqlite should come standard21:56
slizardogabrbedd: yes.21:56
slizardoOk, that was all I needed21:57
slizardoI'm very grateful for all your help, andre__, gabrbedd, thiago_home, berndhs!21:58
andre__you're welcome!21:58
gabrbeddslizardo: my pleasure!21:58
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slizardoSee you next time, bye!22:01
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crevetorStskeeps: Hi23:09
crevetorI have a couple of questions regarding n900 camera and gps ? do you have a few minutes ?23:10
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Stskeepscrevetor: sorry, 10pm here so i'm not around :)23:16
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crevetorStskeeps: at what time can I catch you ?23:21
TomaszDStskeeps, do you remember when am I supposed to send you the freerunner back?23:22
StskeepsTomaszD: 201323:22
crevetorWell maybe someone else knows this : I have a running 2.6.35.9 kernel with everything needed for the cameras to work but I can't get the v4l devices to show up23:23
crevetorI don't know if I'm missing a module or something.23:23
Stskeepscrevetor: ask theodor and guys in #meego-arm during typical office hours (8am-5pm finnish time)23:23
crevetorStskeeps: thanks23:24
StskeepsTomaszD: how broken is it nowadays?23:24
TomaszDStskeeps, it works great23:24
TomaszDfor limited values of "great"23:24
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TomaszDI mean, as good as a freerunner23:25
StskeepsTomaszD: well, just send it back when you don't want it, i guess :P23:25
TomaszDI'm waiting for the replacement board with an OMAP 385023:25
TomaszD:)23:25
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Stskeepsif it didn't work, i would also have accepted a video with it falling from a high height23:26
Stskeeps:P23:26
TomaszDI'm gonna smash it on a slab of concrete during New Year's Eve in 201223:26
TomaszDrecord it and send you the video23:26
TomaszDdeal?23:26
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Stskeepsnah :P anyway, you know my addy if you want to send it back :)23:27
TomaszDyup23:27
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TomaszDThe Secure Office, Warsaw23:27
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Jartza_120°C temperature change... that felt gooood :)23:33
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StskeepsJartza: finland sounds really cold atm23:33
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CosmoHillmy aunty and cousin are going to lapland tomorrow23:34
JartzaStskeeps: it is.23:34
Jartzait's -27°C outside here and I just came out from sauna which was over 90°C :)23:34
Jartzachilled outside for few minutes23:35
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Stskeepsit occasionally baffles me why humans would settle in areas that gets that cold :P23:35
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crevetorStskeeps: Where do you live ?23:36
Stskeepscrevetor: poland, used to live in denmark23:36
crevetorStskeeps: Ok23:36
mihero_some of us like to do thing hard way:)23:36
mihero_things23:36
crevetorI live in Canada but it rarely gets that cold.23:36
mihero_Stskeeps: why now in poland?23:37
crevetor-30 happens but not that often23:37
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CosmoHillthe UK starts to crumple at about 5C23:37
JartzaStskeeps: I've spent days thinking, why on earth some prehistoric people settled down here in finland :)23:37
Jartzamy only logical solution is that they were chasing some reindeer over the icy sea and after 2 months when they were finally returning, the sea wasn't on ice anymore :)23:38
Jartzaand they just had to stay23:39
berndhsreminds me of the first white people who came to Canada23:39
berndhsNewfoundland23:39
berndhsthe vikings23:40
berndhsafter 2 years they had the good sense to go back home - to Greenland23:40
CosmoHillhttp://i.imgur.com/qE1vp.png23:43
gabrbeddCosmoHill: It crumples because it's a bunch of hot air in a tin gas can.23:43
CosmoHilldo you remember when the euro star broke because it was "the wrong type of snow"23:44
gabrbeddCosmoHill: Ha ha!  Nice pic.  Yours?23:44
CosmoHillnope23:44
gabrbeddno... googling it.23:44
CosmoHillcould you imagine after so many erm...things..he remote desktoped back to the first computer23:45
Stskeepsmihero_: the usual story, meet beautiful polish girl, meet her culture..23:45
gabrbeddLOL!  Who ordered this snow??23:45
npmregarding app storage, also consider: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html#offline-storage-api23:46
CosmoHillgabrbedd: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8423851.stm23:46
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npmfinland looks colder than canada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMD1k16baVE (where is that video shot -- looks amazing)23:50
mihero_Stskeeps: ah, good reason:) I thought you just had moved to lower cost country to do your work:)23:50
gabrbeddCosmoHill: That's wild! I can see how stuff like that happens, though.23:51
Stskeepsmihero_: the taxes and prices of things here does help things23:51
berndhssome parts of Canada are colder than others :)23:51
CosmoHillgabrbedd: boredom and firewalls are the only two reasons I can come up with23:52
gabrbeddCosmoHill: Well, a CS equivalent would be a race condition that worked for 15 years and is suddently being uncovered by a new use-case.23:53
mihero_what kind of tax base there is in poland?23:53
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Stskeepsmihero_: slightly less than scandinavian countries :P23:54
mihero_i was two years ago long weekend in gdansk, atleast that place was quite nice and zubrowska is cheep and good:)23:55
berndhsmihero_: about 38 million ?23:55
mihero_hehe23:55

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