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| nillerz | hello | 00:10 |
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| nillerz | Can someone help me? | 00:10 |
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| nillerz | I get "configuration file not found" when I attempt to boot from DVD | 00:10 |
| pupnik | hi nillerz | 00:10 |
| nillerz | hello pupnik | 00:10 |
| nillerz | should I just re-burn? | 00:11 |
| gabrbedd | nillerz: Where did the ISO come from? | 00:12 |
| tarantism_ | are there instructions for booting weekly/daily images on the N900? I get "VFS: Cannot open root device ... Please append a correct "root=" boot option ..." | 00:12 |
| nillerz | meego.com | 00:12 |
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| gabrbedd | nillers: There's lots of iso's on meego.com. Can you please be more specific? | 00:13 |
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| RainCT | Hey | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | s/nillers/nillerz/ | 00:14 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: nillerz: There's lots of iso's on meego.com. Can you please be more specific? | 00:14 |
| nillerz | meego-netbook-ia32-1.1 | 00:14 |
| RainCT | How can I close the settings window? | 00:14 |
| nillerz | also, I re-named the .img to .iso after using file to determine that it was an iso | 00:15 |
| RainCT | On a tablet that is. At the AppUp conference they showed us some gesture on the top-left corner, but if I use it I just see a header with an icon and the label "!! Settings" but after that the screen image is corrupted (all black and some green line) | 00:15 |
| nillerz | just to get it so ubuntu would burn it through the right-click menu | 00:15 |
| tripz0 | RainCT, you launch the app switcher, long-tap on the settings icon, and click close | 00:15 |
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| tripz0 | RainCT, if you screen is corrupted, i'd try a reboot | 00:16 |
| RainCT | tripz0: If I hold on the settings icon I get some weird screen with lots of red and saying "!! MainPage", "qtn_sett_man_connections", "qtn_sett_man_phone", etc. | 00:16 |
| tripz0 | also, why would you want to close settings. settings is clearly the best app ever | 00:17 |
| RainCT | :) | 00:17 |
| tripz0 | yeh, your system sounds hosed | 00:17 |
| tripz0 | reboot ftw | 00:17 |
| gabrbedd | nillerz: Just a guess... If you have a CD-R or CD-RW, I would use that instead of a DVD. Those are CD ISO's, and I don't know if they're compatible with DVD's. | 00:17 |
| nillerz | Well the file-size is too big to fit on a CD, I tried that first. It's over 800 megabytes | 00:18 |
| gabrbedd | nillerz: Hmmm... true. Most of us are installing with a flash drive. Do you have a 1 GB flash drive you can erase and use? | 00:18 |
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| nillerz | this PC doesn't boot too well off of them | 00:19 |
| nillerz | It's hit or miss, mostly miss, and I've tried a few times | 00:19 |
| nillerz | the first time I tried meego it was off a flash drive but then after that it failed even after reformatting and putting meego on the flash drive again | 00:19 |
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| nillerz | alright I'm re-burning at a lower speed | 00:20 |
| RainCT | Didn't work. | 00:21 |
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| sivang | yay my image finished copying. | 00:21 |
| * sivang heads on to booting. | 00:22 | |
| timeless | sivang: oh right, i've got something for you | 00:23 |
| sivang | timeless: ? :) | 00:23 |
| sivang | timeless: shouldn't we be sleeping? | 00:23 |
| sivang | :-p | 00:23 |
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| nillerz | alright dun burning brb | 00:24 |
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| tarantism_ | I'm trying to boot meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.90.3.20110215.10-mmcblk0p.raw using the same procedure that I used for meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw without success. Is the image broken or do I need a different procedure? | 00:25 |
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| nillerz | back so soon. | 00:27 |
| nillerz | no luck, I guess I *have* to keep trying usb-style | 00:27 |
| sivang | hrm | 00:28 |
| sivang | maemo flsher does not support 64bit | 00:28 |
| sivang | my ubuntu desktop is 64bit | 00:28 |
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| gabrbedd | nillerz: What kind of PC do you have? What's the processor and video card? | 00:37 |
| nillerz | Pentium processor, intel video card | 00:37 |
| nillerz | want an lspci readout? | 00:37 |
| gabrbedd | Pentium 4 ? | 00:38 |
| nillerz | uhh.. it just says pentium inside on the sticker... let me check | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Distribution_Frequently_Asked_Questions | 00:40 |
| nillerz | mobile 4 series | 00:40 |
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| gabrbedd | nillerz: it won't work with MeeGo. | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | are you currently running an OS? | 00:40 |
| nillerz | yeah, Ubuntu 10.04 | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | one second | 00:41 |
| nillerz | I'm going to give it another go off usb drive because I've done it before off of usb | 00:41 |
| auke | grep model\ name /proc/cpuinfo | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | auke: you you damn you | 00:41 |
| auke | useless use of cat! | 00:42 |
| nillerz | model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T3400 @ 2.16GHz | 00:42 |
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| CosmoHill | auke: fine | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | nillerz: grep ssse3 /proc/cpuinfo | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | (three Ss | 00:43 |
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| javispedro | ok, time to install that tablet ux on dublin lenovo! | 00:43 |
| sivang | fun!!! | 00:43 |
| sivang | it si booting | 00:43 |
| auke | nillerz: looks like your CPU is not supported | 00:43 |
| javispedro | sivang: no major problems? | 00:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I was thinking of making a list of supported processors on the wiki but it seems kinda of moot | 00:44 |
| sivang | javispedro: hmm, let's see | 00:44 |
| sivang | javispedro: it booted a minute a go, and showed the X of x | 00:44 |
| auke | CosmoHill: might not be a bad idea | 00:44 |
| sivang | oh darn! | 00:44 |
| sivang | it is here! | 00:44 |
| * sivang dances a happy dance | 00:44 | |
| CosmoHill | auke: want to help me make it? | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | Supported_Processors << is that spelt correctly? | 00:45 |
| sivang | hmm | 00:45 |
| sivang | battery shows empty but is is fool | 00:45 |
| sivang | full | 00:45 |
| nillerz | don't be so quick, remember how I said I already booted it off of usb on this pc before? | 00:46 |
| sivang | but it is fool | 00:46 |
| RainCT | Uhm, how can I update meego? "pkcon refresh"? (if so, it get stuck refreshing the package list -.-) | 00:46 |
| sivang | how do I make a call? | 00:46 |
| sivang | I only get this settings and and X | 00:46 |
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| sivang | so how do I work this thing? | 00:48 |
| sivang | it shows me no reception though | 00:48 |
| sivang | :/ | 00:48 |
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| javispedro | sivang: what are you using? | 00:50 |
| sivang | the tethering module is enabled for some odd reason | 00:50 |
| sivang | latest daily | 00:50 |
| sivang | 15feb | 00:50 |
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| sivang | javispedro: very slow to respond. Is Wifi working or GSM/3G ? | 00:51 |
| javispedro | I have not tried it... | 00:51 |
| javispedro | (latest) | 00:52 |
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| sivang | ah I see | 00:53 |
| sivang | I think it took time for tracker to load | 00:53 |
| sivang | now apps are dispalyed and there is not just odd settings window | 00:53 |
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| sivang | there should be that vibrate when pressing | 00:54 |
| sivang | it really helps in Maemo | 00:54 |
| CosmoHill | looking at the wiki, then they have coloured tables they use a template of yes, no and partial which show in green, red and yellow | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | would anyone object to me doing this on the meego wiki? | 00:55 |
| sivang | settings don't start | 00:55 |
| tripzero | settings don't start? | 00:58 |
| tripzero | in tablet? | 00:59 |
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| * javispedro tries to remember | 01:01 | |
| javispedro | so should I dd the .iso file to a pendrive with an mbr, or without a mbr (supperfloppy style)? | 01:01 |
| auke | dd the img to the drive, not the partition | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | thanks auke | 01:02 |
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| CosmoHill | auke: what intel processors are supported? | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | I have atom, i series and some celeron / pentiums based on the i3 | 01:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | sivang: the recent weeklies seem to be very broken at the moment | 01:05 |
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| javispedro | "meego-tablet-x86_64" amd64? really? | 01:06 |
| sivang | TSCHAKeee: ok | 01:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | sivang: stskeeps mentioned something about OBS being broken atm | 01:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | what wonderful timing | 01:06 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: what ARM processors are supported? | 01:22 |
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| hirabayashitaro | anyone knows what qtct is? | 01:30 |
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| GAN900 | CosmoHill, armv7 | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | thanks GAN900 | 01:35 |
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| CosmoHill | wanna see what I have at the moment? formatting is kinda screwed up | 01:37 |
| ahiemstra | formatting of? | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | wiki table | 01:39 |
| ahiemstra | aah | 01:40 |
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| ahiemstra | those can be tricky yes :) | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | "oh this will be easy, it will look just like wikipedia...oh none of that is on the meego wiki" | 01:40 |
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| CosmoHill | oh shit, did I hit save instead of preview | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, at what level do the cpu differences come into it? | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | SSSE3 | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | that's it | 01:47 |
| lcuk | I mean how far into boot sequence do you think issues would hit | 01:47 |
| lcuk | is ssse3 used in the kernel? | 01:47 |
| lcuk | can you boot normal console? | 01:47 |
| lcuk | etc | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | I can use MeeGo on a P4 with TWM | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | can't use yum / zypper but RPM works | 01:47 |
| ahiemstra | you probably want to change "expect" to "except" and "compatable" to "compatible" ;) | 01:47 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: most of the core doesn't care about SSSE3 | 01:49 |
| lcuk | yeah, that is written for lowest common denominator | 01:50 |
| lcuk | thanks for that chart CosmoHill, I am sure it will be fleshed out even more given time. | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/smeegol-on-p4.jpg | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | wrong link | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-on-p4.jpg | 01:51 |
| niala1 | ty CosmoHill | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | firefox is being a laggy bitch again | 01:56 |
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| * javispedro hates meego x86 installer overwrites mbr | 02:03 | |
| CosmoHill | I believe distro installers should have an option to not install a boot loader | 02:03 |
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| tripzero | most do | 02:05 |
| tripzero | well, ubiquity will give you the option iirc | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | Kubuntu raped my poor little boot loader | 02:05 |
| tripzero | anaconda sux | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | I went from 4 options to 12, minus the one I want | 02:06 |
| berndhs | fedora gives you a few options | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | anaconda is used on more than fedora | 02:06 |
| berndhs | meego is pretty brutal though | 02:06 |
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| CosmoHill | infact anaconda gaves me options to not install a boot loader | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo goes "say what?" and hangs on me :( | 02:07 |
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| javispedro | aaaargh | 02:09 |
| javispedro | bad unicode rendering on the tablet ux browser :( | 02:10 |
| ahiemstra | heh | 02:10 |
| ahiemstra | blame google :p | 02:10 |
| javispedro | it's on the chrome, actually, not the content | 02:10 |
| ahiemstra | oh | 02:11 |
| javispedro | seems that something is doing a misconversion when rendering the "New tab" string on the title bar | 02:11 |
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| javispedro | ñ (from "pestaña"=tab in spanish) gets renderer as ã± | 02:13 |
| javispedro | *rendered | 02:13 |
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| ahiemstra | hmm, that's not too nice | 02:22 |
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| javispedro | hope to get the source soon (kernel is hanging my s10-3t on shutdown for some reason =) ) | 02:28 |
| Ulf_ | sabotage, is b0.10 working for you? | 02:31 |
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| CosmoHill | I think I'm doing well on the meego wiki considering my first FAQ was meant to be a joke | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | (factually correct but still a joke) | 02:47 |
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| merlin_1991 | CosmoHill, link plz :D | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | never actually got done | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | it was various "does meego do / support this" with the answer being No | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | one of them would be "yes" with the following question being "what. really?" "no" | 02:49 |
| merlin_1991 | :D | 02:49 |
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| CosmoHill | crap, I have a lecture in 8 hours... | 03:10 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:27 |
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| MichaelWang | hi, what is new on MWC? | 08:51 |
| MichaelWang | and meego? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | carrypad.com has fairly decent coverage | 08:52 |
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| sivang | morning | 09:39 |
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| sivang | anybody knows how to make pinetrail resize to the ideapad's resolution? | 09:42 |
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| sivang | also, it would be nice to have evince | 09:45 |
| sivang | or other pdf reader on pinetrail | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | what image.. | 09:45 |
| * sivang thinks of creating his own ebook reader UX | 09:45 | |
| sivang | Stskeeps: the pinetrail downloaded from intel | 09:46 |
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| sivang | meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail.iso | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | no idea then | 09:46 |
| sivang | the only good thing about it is swype so far, otherwise given the ideapad resolution and screen realestate impossible to leave apps without killing them from the VT | 09:47 |
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| Ronksu | I have been trying to download the pinetrail tablet image for couple of times, no succes so far. Connection has always broken after ~50M | 09:49 |
| Ronksu | would really like to test it on the ideapad. | 09:49 |
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| Myrtti | wget -c ♥ | 09:50 |
| Ronksu | myrtti, yeah, have to do it like that the next time | 09:51 |
| sivang | Myrtti: ha! | 09:51 |
| sivang | Ronksu: it's not so fitted for the ideapad though. Not even as a mere ebook reader in my taste. | 09:51 |
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| Ronksu | sivang: too bad. Will try out of curiosity though, don't have much use for the ideapad otherwise. | 09:52 |
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| sivang | Ronksu: don't get me wrong. it is quite nice, the UX elements there are tablet suited and pretty | 09:54 |
| sivang | Ronksu: but it still more love to go the wya | 09:54 |
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| Ronksu | sivang: yep, not expecting anything finished | 09:54 |
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| lbt | timeless: pong | 10:45 |
| timeless | any progress? | 10:45 |
| lbt | we're meeting next week in oregon and will discuss it then | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | do we have a BMC# for timeless's request? | 10:45 |
| lbt | who uses this system ? | 10:45 |
| lbt | timeless: BMC? | 10:45 |
| timeless | bugs.meego.com | 10:46 |
| lbt | yes I know. Thanks | 10:46 |
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| timeless | this is nuts | 10:46 |
| timeless | what's there to discuss? the vm was created | 10:46 |
| timeless | someone was supposed to set up an ldap account, surely that takes 10mins | 10:46 |
| timeless | has it been done? | 10:46 |
| lbt | I said "no" | 10:46 |
| lbt | FYI | 10:47 |
| timeless | ? context? | 10:47 |
| lbt | we have not properly assessed how much resource this will use | 10:47 |
| lbt | there are no backup plans | 10:47 |
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| * timeless bangs head against wall | 10:47 | |
| lbt | there is no indication of where this should fit in our priority | 10:47 |
| timeless | the backup is that when the service goes down some people whine | 10:47 |
| timeless | that's no different from any other service | 10:48 |
| lbt | I know you are the single most important person in your world. But I'm trying not to just react to the people who shout loudest | 10:48 |
| lbt | we have a *LOT* to do and frankly mxr is low down on the list | 10:48 |
| timeless | setting it up again... well, give me the box and use a stop watch and i'll let you know | 10:48 |
| lbt | it is not a *no* | 10:48 |
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| timeless | would that be useful? | 10:48 |
| * timeless should run a log analyzer on mxr.maemo.org | 10:48 | |
| lbt | it is a "we are going to look at your request as part of our planning next week" | 10:49 |
| lbt | it would be useful to have an idea of how many users you expect | 10:49 |
| lbt | eg is mxr more important than wiki? | 10:49 |
| lbt | how about auth system | 10:49 |
| lbt | how about the sdk site? | 10:49 |
| timeless | no auth required until private repos are indexed | 10:49 |
| lbt | which should we downgrade to do your work? | 10:49 |
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| timeless | all things considered, having a cross reference is cheaper and more useful than an sdk site | 10:50 |
| lbt | no those are amongst the projects we're looking at | 10:50 |
| timeless | which is unlikely to be well maintained | 10:50 |
| timeless | since a cross reference automatically provides access to whatever code and hence code docs or code indicating actual quirks are present | 10:50 |
| lbt | timeless: the current mechanism for getting a service up on meego.com isn't great | 10:50 |
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| timeless | really? i hadn't noticed | 10:51 |
| timeless | somehow the qa team managed | 10:51 |
| timeless | and yet, tbh, their thing is crap | 10:51 |
| timeless | and utterly worthless | 10:51 |
| timeless | although perhaps someone gave them their thing to stop them from spamming wiki | 10:51 |
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| timeless | so that people could spend less time cleaning up wiki | 10:51 |
| lbt | timeless: do you have the server logs from the mxr you setup | 10:52 |
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| timeless | the number of users actually using the qa graph server has to be far fewer than the number who will use mxr | 10:52 |
| lbt | so you can say "this is how many hits we had" | 10:52 |
| timeless | lbt: i have logs for mxr.maemo.org and the internal one | 10:52 |
| lbt | no | 10:52 |
| lbt | meego one | 10:52 |
| timeless | the one for meego.com, we have to ask jebba | 10:52 |
| lbt | it was up for 2 months iirc | 10:52 |
| lbt | OK - that will help | 10:52 |
| timeless | lbt: ask jebba in the bug | 10:52 |
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| timeless | since that's where you want the info and that's where he's reading | 10:53 |
| lbt | no. jebba is not someone I'm involving in this | 10:53 |
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| timeless | explain how you want the data | 10:53 |
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| lbt | all I'm asking is to fairly assess mxr wrt other services | 10:53 |
| timeless | ok | 10:53 |
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| lbt | really that's not my job. It's CO with Dawn or Quim ... but we are not yet setup so we do as best we can | 10:54 |
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| lbt | so. help me to set the priority and we will get onto it | 10:54 |
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| lbt | meanwhile asking "are we there yet" like a child on a long car journey is not endearing you to me..... | 10:55 |
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| timeless | sorry, but you're being a stick in the mud | 10:55 |
| timeless | and are not endearing yourself to the channel | 10:55 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:55 |
| timeless | i'd like to be able to set up mxr even if no one can access it | 10:56 |
| lbt | sure | 10:56 |
| timeless | that requires some time but shouldn't require worries about backup resources | 10:56 |
| timeless | or just about anything else | 10:56 |
| timeless | just someone to give me the keys | 10:56 |
| lbt | and that kind of attitude is why we don't give out keys. | 10:56 |
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| timeless | i don't want root | 10:57 |
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| timeless | and i will not try to acquire root | 10:57 |
| lbt | if/when you leave (as you regularly say you will) then who looks after this service? | 10:57 |
| lbt | cf jebba | 10:57 |
| lbt | me? | 10:57 |
| lbt | Niels? | 10:57 |
| lbt | so yes, I am looking to the long term installation | 10:57 |
| lbt | and yes I care about backup/recovery | 10:58 |
| RST38h | Will anyone care at that point? | 10:58 |
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| lbt | when timeless leaves? No.... it'll all be over : | 10:58 |
| timeless | lbt: i have a couple of people who i'm grooming to be able to pick up mxr setup | 10:58 |
| timeless | but, there's little point in asking them to do work now | 10:59 |
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| lbt | OK that's 15 mins on this .... I've explained and said it's on the teams discussion list for planning .... now-> work | 10:59 |
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| lbt | get me those hit stats please | 11:00 |
| lbt | nb... that's something that's needed for DawnFoster's stats project | 11:00 |
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| lbt | so we know where to allocate resource | 11:00 |
| lbt | so I assume you correctly set that up on the mxr.meego.com instance you had | 11:00 |
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| timeless | it's apache, from memory access_log was generated | 11:01 |
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| lbt | good. That should help | 11:02 |
| timeless | do you guys publish stats for the other services? | 11:03 |
| * timeless would love to see stats for qa-graphs | 11:03 | |
| lbt | ask DawnFoster | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 13:17 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 13:17 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: back home finally :) | 13:17 |
| thresh | condolences | 13:18 |
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| wazd | thresh: ty :P | 13:18 |
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| thresh | wazd: enjoy -25œC :P | 13:19 |
| wazd | thresh: yeah, after +6 in Prague it's insane :) | 13:20 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: really bad that I was too far away to meet you | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: another time :) | 13:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sure :) You can come here maybe :D | 13:22 |
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| thresh | nice joke | 13:24 |
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| magnetic | is there an equivalent to the android telephony api? stuff to add hooks when a call is received and so on? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | magnetic: ofono dbus api maybe | 13:31 |
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| bergie | or on higher level, Telepathy? | 13:32 |
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| magnetic | cool, thx | 13:33 |
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| magnetic | the amount of documentation on ofono.org is overwhelming: a block diagram :P | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, that is my thought too | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | doc/ in source is ok | 13:36 |
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| The3211 | hii friends | 13:38 |
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| leinir | ofono is only for actual phone call stuff though, right? This would mean you didn't get informed about for example SIP calls or Skype... Telepathy would let you do that :) | 13:39 |
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| leinir | ...if those hooks exist, of course, which... well, not knowing, i would be surprised if they didn't :) | 13:39 |
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| leinir | magnetic: ^ | 13:42 |
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| Hq` | http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/contest/developerchallenge | 13:51 |
| Hq` | nice prizes :) | 13:51 |
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| Naranek | "Best custom app for France" - say what now!?? | 13:53 |
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| Naranek | and why is the graphic a white flag? ;) | 13:53 |
| ar | france | 13:53 |
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| magnetic | leinir: i'm only interested on phone calls at the moment. Looking at the doc it seems that the PropertyChanged signal is what i need | 13:54 |
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| pupnik | 3D phone, dual-core omap4, IPS stereoscopic display, 2-4x performance of N900, http://www.anandtech.com/show/4179/ti-omap4-and-lg-optimus-3d-tested | 14:01 |
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| Dijit | good afternoon gentlemen | 14:01 |
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| leinir | notmart: Sooo... do you think it'd be possible to get something ready before the SF meego conf? ;) | 14:15 |
| notmart | leinir: aaand, when it is? ;) | 14:16 |
| leinir | End of May :) | 14:17 |
| leinir | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 | 14:17 |
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| notmart | so, depends on the entity of the "something" but end of may, yeah, i see it nicely feasible :D | 14:17 |
| leinir | i would love to see a community booth type thing from kde with a couple of devices with the plasma netbook, plasma tablet and plasma mobile UXes, that'd be pretty sweet ;) | 14:19 |
| notmart | leinir: i'm fixing some rough edges right now so that plasma mobile cn really be used as a shell | 14:20 |
| notmart | then i think we are also quite near to a booting image from the packaging side ;) | 14:20 |
| leinir | Sweet ;) | 14:21 |
| pupnik | motorola droid2 with omap3640 @ 1ghz could make a fine meego-phone (if opensource drivers are avail) http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-2-Teardown/3502/1 | 14:22 |
| The3211 | hi leinir | 14:22 |
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| leinir | Heya The3211 :) | 14:23 |
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| notmart | pupnik: ...and if it didn't insisted to reflash any custom image put on it :p | 14:23 |
| pupnik | it does that? | 14:25 |
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| notmart | droid2 i think so, at least, most recent motorola android phones have this nasty habit | 14:25 |
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| notmart | that has of course already jailbroken, but shows the attitude of motorola about controlling their devices... | 14:26 |
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| pupnik | notmart: are there any other attractive looking candidates for meego on the horizon? | 14:28 |
| leinir | pupnik: that depends on how far away your horizon lies... jupiter or mars curvature? ;) | 14:29 |
| pupnik | hm | 14:30 |
| pupnik | mmaybe i should just play with the archos 7.0 and a huawei umts stick | 14:30 |
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| The3211 | is there anyone for chat???? | 14:32 |
| thiago | we're not here for chatting | 14:32 |
| thiago | we're here for work | 14:32 |
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| The3211 | is there anyone for chat??? | 14:32 |
| thiago | no | 14:32 |
| The3211 | can you tell me what kind of work may be i can help you... @ thiago | 14:33 |
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| pupnik | The3211: i could use a very low-power mp3 player that discards low-frequency bands and bypasses pulseaudio | 14:36 |
| The3211 | what the hell is that ?? @ pupnik | 14:37 |
| pupnik | perhaps deadbeef is a candidate, or something else arm-optimized | 14:38 |
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| DEADBEEF- | huh? | 14:38 |
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| pupnik | http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/ | 14:38 |
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| sig^ | any good handwriting recognizer software, preferably one that can handle hanzi/kanji? | 14:46 |
| sig^ | (google gave me cellwriter) | 14:46 |
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| pupnik | sig^: how about finding me some FOSS kanji OCR | 14:51 |
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| sig^ | that's actually what I'm kind of wondering... there are so many small-ish websites that offer javascript handwriting recognition | 14:54 |
| sig^ | it must be a cheap tech, but can it be just all proprietary? | 14:54 |
| sig^ | Also, it's not just bitmap OCR, it's more like "stroke recognition", comparing a set of strokes against a database | 14:55 |
| sig^ | of course, you have to be able to say which strokes are which... | 14:55 |
| pupnik | yes there's a big difference | 14:55 |
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| sig^ | but it can also be just OCR, aiding in recognition | 14:55 |
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| sig^ | hmm, it could be interesting to write one, again, if I had a time bubble where I could sit for a hundred years without time passing | 14:56 |
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| notmart | sig^: if you find such a kind of time bubble please let us know :p | 15:00 |
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| ahiemstra | hmm, i think i'd rather avoid that one | 15:04 |
| ahiemstra | i mean, how can you be in a time bubble for 100 years if no time passes? :) | 15:04 |
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| topeira | ahiemstra: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ | 15:08 |
| topeira | sorry | 15:08 |
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| topeira | sig^: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ | 15:09 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: does sudo work for you on ircbot VM ? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: you didn't actually give me anywhere to ssh to from the jumpbox | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 15:46 |
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| lbt | ah - I thought max did ... left/right hand | 15:46 |
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| jarkko^ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613083 | 15:52 |
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| mwichmann | jarkko: amusing (hey, why not rm -fr / since it might have some junk under it :) | 16:07 |
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| RST38h | from a burning platform, to a sinking platform <-- hehe | 19:34 |
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| apol | does anybody know where can I find information about how to make qml apps look integrated in meego tablet UX? | 19:48 |
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| tripzero | apol, even though the entire UX hasn't been open yet, you can surely look at the QML files that are installed per-app and "do what they do" | 19:52 |
| apol | hmm | 19:52 |
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| apol | i guess there's no doc yet, then, no? | 19:53 |
| apol | tripzero: do you know where can i find them other than an installed system? (a repository for instance) | 19:53 |
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| tripzero | apol, negative | 19:56 |
| apol | well | 19:57 |
| apol | thanks | 19:57 |
| gabrbedd | apol: Intel hasn't released it publicly. You'll have to grab their pre-alpha image and play around with it. | 19:57 |
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| apol | ;/ ok | 19:58 |
| apol | thx! | 19:58 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: ping | 20:17 |
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| sivang | RST38h: why sinking? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: pong | 21:21 |
| DawnFoster | hey stskeeps - I'm starting to pull download data from server logs & want to make sure I have the n900 downloads captured correctly. | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | right? | 21:22 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: main download file would match: aw\.bz2 | 21:23 |
| DawnFoster | oops make that raw\.bz2 | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | yep - kernel is just a sidenote | 21:23 |
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| DawnFoster | with released images always in a /releases/ directory and developer builds somewhere in /builds/ directories | 21:23 |
| DawnFoster | (using awk to parse some huge files & want to make sure I'm matching the right things) | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | +1 on using awk ;) | 21:24 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I <3 awk | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, /releases/ and buils/ | 21:25 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I'll send you a file this afternoon (to you and other release managers) to do a reality check on the numbers | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:25 |
| DawnFoster | thanks! | 21:25 |
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| * Stskeeps goes look at flight prices | 21:25 | |
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| lbt | hey DawnFoster | 21:27 |
| DawnFoster | hey lbt | 21:27 |
| lbt | how's things? | 21:27 |
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| sivang | flights? servers? | 21:30 |
| * sivang wonders what's going on. | 21:30 | |
| Stskeeps | sivang: did i forget to tell you of my second career as a secret agent? | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: hmm | 21:31 |
| DawnFoster | things are good - just working on metrics | 21:31 |
| kyb3R | double-agent ;) | 21:31 |
| sivang | if there is a flight I want to be on it :) | 21:31 |
| * sivang likes flying | 21:31 | |
| DawnFoster | adding some new data | 21:31 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: am I there ? :p | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: probably in irc stats on speaking a lot ;p | 21:33 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, where are the irc stats? | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.jan.html | 21:34 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: well, there are ml's blog posts :) | 21:34 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: yes, this country makes you a good speaker :-p | 21:35 |
| sivang | err, there's a word for that | 21:35 |
| sivang | 'digger' | 21:35 |
| sivang | in hebrew is sounds better and funnier | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: shows up in mailing list posts & IRC top 20 people :) | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | the rest of you have to wait until I publish them. Muwahaha | 21:36 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: heh | 21:36 |
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| gabrbedd | DawnFoster always loved sivang best!! | 21:38 |
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| sivang | gabrbedd: I wish ;) | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | ha! he was the first to ask :) | 21:39 |
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| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: can I borrow $20? | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | gabrbedd: ha, nice try :) | 21:43 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 21:43 |
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| Ulf_ | DawnFoster, so what's the most downloaded image these days? | 21:48 |
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| gabrbedd | I just got an e-mail from Intel AppUp. Hard to read in pine with all the [1x1_clear.gif] and [isn_news_back_feature_bot3.gif] stuff.... but I think they're now accepting MeeGo apps in the store. | 21:50 |
| gabrbedd | I still don't see an AppUp app for MeeGo on the front page, yet... but that's good news. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | Ulf_: i'm having bets on the N900 one, but netbook pinetrail might be high on the list too | 21:51 |
| Ulf_ | Stskeeps, I'm guessing Pinetrail | 21:52 |
| DawnFoster | Ulf_: only analyzed released images: netbook image by far is the leader | 21:52 |
| DawnFoster | followed by N900 | 21:52 |
| DawnFoster | then IVI | 21:52 |
| Ulf_ | wow | 21:52 |
| DawnFoster | Oct - Jan data | 21:52 |
| DawnFoster | downloads from builds directories will be very different | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: splits on versions could be interesting | 21:53 |
| DawnFoster | n900 leads on builds downloads | 21:53 |
| DawnFoster | I'll send you both a spreadsheet this afternoon to do a reality check on | 21:53 |
| DawnFoster | ok, I have to drop off for a while | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 21:54 |
| Ulf_ | Excluding source IPs in the Intel network range for wget as the user agent would be good | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: do you have stats on tablets-dev / meego-codedrop.php ? | 21:54 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: No. I might be able to get that, but that will take some time. | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ok, not a high priority | 21:59 |
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| hirabayashitaro | can someone suggest me a gui irc client with minimal features to use instead of webirc? | 22:13 |
| tripzero | xchat | 22:13 |
| tripzero | irssi | 22:13 |
| tripzero | pidgin | 22:13 |
| tripzero | empathy | 22:13 |
| niala1 | bitchx | 22:13 |
| lcuk | telnet | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | irssi, for sure | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | people still use bitchx? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:13 |
| tripzero | telnet lol | 22:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | ircII ! | 22:14 |
| kyb3R | irssi | 22:14 |
| hirabayashitaro | wait wait | 22:14 |
| hirabayashitaro | irssi has no gui | 22:14 |
| tripzero | sure it does | 22:14 |
| lcuk | sure it does | 22:14 |
| tripzero | maybe not a point and click gui, but gui nontheless | 22:15 |
| hirabayashitaro | ok ok | 22:15 |
| hirabayashitaro | so | 22:15 |
| hirabayashitaro | let's start from the beginning | 22:15 |
| tripzero | its irc we are talking about. you use the keyboard | 22:15 |
| tripzero | not the mouse ;) | 22:15 |
| smoku | tripzero, tui ;-) | 22:15 |
| hirabayashitaro | tripzero: i know and I use irrsi also | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 22:15 |
| lcuk | tripzero, who says it has to be like that forever | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | hirabayashitaro: xchat +1 | 22:16 |
| hirabayashitaro | but I'm searching for something more click & you're done | 22:16 |
| * tripzero moves mouse in rolling-the-eyes motion | 22:16 | |
| niala1 | hy CosmoHill from the hill | 22:16 |
| smoku | hirabayashitaro, I like XChat. I used Konversations yesterday and I liked it too. | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | tripzero: what's the mouse? | 22:16 |
| hirabayashitaro | I don't need any feature, so the most light the best is for me | 22:17 |
| tripzero | CosmoHill, not sure. i hear it's this tool that xerox came up with a while back | 22:17 |
| tripzero | still in wide usage apparently | 22:17 |
| hirabayashitaro | lol, no grammar in previous sentence | 22:17 |
| berndhs | I use egalite, made it myself :) | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | xerox didn't come up with it..they borrowed it. ;) | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | I don't realise how computer proficent I am until I do something and the person next to me blinks cos I did it so far | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | tripzero: does it need feeding? | 22:18 |
| tripzero | yes. mine gobbles up batteries | 22:18 |
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| smoku | CosmoHill, http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/ilug/2006-February/086028.html | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | wtf | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | translated badly from another language , but still funny | 22:22 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, cat overload? :P | 22:37 |
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| Myrtti | GAN900: trying to find something nice or funny or something to make my today a bit better day than it has been so far | 22:38 |
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| Myrtti | if a kitty makes me smile, then I'll take 100 pictures of a silly cat | 22:38 |
| Myrtti | don't worry, there's only ten left tho | 22:38 |
| Myrtti | (please let today be over and forgotten soon) | 22:39 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, I'm sorry. | 22:40 |
| pupnik_ | http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/downloads nice linux support | 22:40 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, I only mention it because I have to prevent myself from filling up my photostream with cat pictures. *g* | 22:40 |
| Myrtti | hehe | 22:40 |
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| Myrtti | the cat hasn't ben with my mum for a week now and he did that for the first time now | 22:42 |
| Myrtti | (mum has been in a hospital for a week and the cat has been at mums, now both of them are at my sisters) | 22:42 |
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| pavlix | is it possible to disable myzone? | 22:49 |
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| ali1234 | pavlix: i don't think so | 22:52 |
| pavlix | ali1234: thanks | 22:52 |
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| gabrbedd | pavlix: If you go into settings, you can disable a lot of the stuff that appears on your MyZone page. (I assume you're talking about the Netbook UX) | 22:58 |
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| pavlix | gabrbedd: in the meantime, I retried my custom xsession | 23:00 |
| pavlix | gabrbedd: and it seems to work fine | 23:01 |
| pavlix | now I'm only missing my mouse cursor | 23:03 |
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| ali1234 | gabrbedd: then you'll just have a useless empty page... | 23:10 |
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| sivang | can some please note me to the pinetrail imeage? | 23:13 |
| * sivang is dead tired and pained :) | 23:13 | |
| ali1234 | the tablet one? | 23:13 |
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| sivang | yep | 23:13 |
| sivang | the swype one | 23:13 |
| sivang | :) | 23:13 |
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| ali1234 | http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla | 23:13 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: All I want on that page are app icons. For my workflows... all the MyZone stuff is already useless. | 23:13 |
| * sivang kisses ali1234 | 23:13 | |
| ali1234 | (dunno if that has swype) | 23:13 |
| sivang | it has teh elsa | 23:13 |
| sivang | elsa | 23:13 |
| sivang | esla | 23:13 |
| sivang | bah | 23:14 |
| sivang | so it has to be it | 23:14 |
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| mikhas | ali1234, it has swype keyboard - see next page | 23:22 |
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| ali1234 | mikhas: you expect me to read all that click-though rubbish? | 23:22 |
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| sivang | gabrbedd: pintrail? | 23:22 |
| mikhas | that's why I am telling you | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | heh :) | 23:23 |
| mikhas | it's even the default keyboard | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | this image works on ideapad right? | 23:23 |
| mikhas | yup | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | right | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | it is a bit rough around the edges but fairly nice | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | ok, will install it in a moment | 23:23 |
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| mikhas | saw it on jukey's ideapad yesterday | 23:23 |
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| ali1234 | can't be worse than handset... can it? | 23:23 |
| sivang | ali1234: yes | 23:23 |
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| mikhas | feels better, but yeah, rough | 23:23 |
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| gabrbedd | sivang: huh? | 23:24 |
| sivang | mikhas: very nice *POC* | 23:24 |
| mikhas | pixelated thumbnails | 23:24 |
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| sivang | mikhas: I did not see them pixlated | 23:24 |
| sivang | hmm | 23:24 |
| sivang | but it would be nice if we could do soemthign about the resoltion | 23:24 |
| mikhas | sivang, time to get glasses? | 23:24 |
| sivang | mikhas: they are already there | 23:24 |
| sivang | mikhas: I will recheck | 23:24 |
| mikhas | obviously you got cheated then | 23:24 |
| mikhas | :-) | 23:24 |
| sivang | heh | 23:24 |
| mikhas | might be the resolution in general, didnt have much time to play with it | 23:25 |
| mikhas | it's definitely just a showcase for now | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | it's a standard mic image? just dd to usb? | 23:25 |
| mikhas | the application manager just lists fake apps | 23:25 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: Tablet UX? Yes. | 23:26 |
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| mikhas | anyways, it shows that the ideapad has a nice multitouch-capable display | 23:27 |
| mikhas | pinch zoom for example | 23:27 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: does one have to get the -madde raw image if he wants to deploye qt creator apps/qml into it? | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, | 23:30 |
| lcuk | -mikhas, | 23:30 |
| lcuk | sorry, lol | 23:30 |
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| jonnor | +mikhas | 23:30 |
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| * sivang lieks the channel quite on this time of the day. | 23:30 | |
| mikhas | am I zero again? | 23:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: ddi you see the video tutorials that I wanted to have like windows phone has? | 23:31 |
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| ali1234 | sivang: like screencasts? | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/ | 23:32 |
| sivang | I used microsoft videos as an examples because they felt very dead easy to get started with, probably unfortunate timing, but I had no idea of what is coming upon us :) | 23:33 |
| sivang | it is somehwere in the bug report. | 23:33 |
| sivang | anyway | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | i mean, you can probably look at how ubuntu does it | 23:34 |
| sivang | http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/meego-application-development-walkthrough | 23:34 |
| sivang | Danny does a fair job as well. | 23:34 |
| sivang | ali1234: it feels lilke I am talking to myself :) | 23:34 |
| sivang | ali1234: when you say 'ubuntu, ubuntu' | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean? | 23:35 |
| sivang | on this occasion, it would be nice to get some feedback about this videos | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | well, it's asking me for a password... | 23:35 |
| sivang | ali1234: never mind, I'm tried and with soem flu drugs | 23:35 |
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| sivang | :) | 23:35 |
| sivang | ali1234: user:meego password:developer | 23:35 |
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| sivang | if you can add feedback onto the thread in the mailing list that'd be nice. | 23:36 |
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| ali1234 | well, first video is not very useful to me | 23:36 |
| sivang | dneary_: have you created a bug report for the qml documentation not reflecting inheritence from video walkthrough? | 23:37 |
| sivang | ali1234: feebdackn on the m, please | 23:37 |
| sivang | ali1234: ml | 23:37 |
| dneary_ | sivang, I don't think so | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | which one? | 23:37 |
| sivang | dneary_: okay, I'm going to do that now. | 23:37 |
| dneary_ | sivang, The week's been a bit of a blur :) | 23:37 |
| sivang | ali1234: are you following the mailing lists? | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | some of them | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | there's so many, i'm not sure | 23:37 |
| sivang | dneary_: yes, but I insist going forward :) | 23:37 |
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| dneary_ | It definitely makes sense to list all properties the way you can list all methods of the object | 23:38 |
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| sivang | ali1234: one thing ubuntu taught me. Is to get along with 1k's of emails a day :) | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | they keep adding more at a rate faster than i can subscribe to them | 23:38 |
| dneary_ | sivang, Thanks for taking it on | 23:38 |
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| sivang | dneary_: sure, the thing is that if we had a clause saying look at the base class that would be good | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | oh, i already get about 2k of emails from various mailing lists, only about 25% of it is meego | 23:38 |
| sivang | dneary_: or is there already in the subclassed thing? | 23:38 |
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| sivang | ali1234: threads? :) | 23:38 |
| sivang | anyways. | 23:38 |
| sivang | I'll send you the link | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | yes, gmail threads them nicely | 23:39 |
| sivang | just a sec. | 23:39 |
| * sivang loses a finger and goes to search mailing list archives. | 23:39 | |
| sivang | for soem reason, google has hard time indexing them | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | if you just tell me which ML it was, that will do | 23:39 |
| sivang | meego-community | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | ok, i think i am on that one | 23:39 |
| sivang | dneary_ kindly commented, I started | 23:39 |
| sivang | ali1234: tell me what you think about the alleged documentation bug through the qml entity inheritence | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | ugh, these videos only cover QML... do not want | 23:40 |
| dneary_ | sivang, From what I saw, the NumberAnimation class inherits from a PropertyAnimation class, and the PropertyAnimation class includes a duration | 23:40 |
| sivang | dneary_: and the docs for the sunbclass do not mention it is subclassed? | 23:41 |
| * sivang thinks it did last time he checked | 23:41 | |
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| CosmoHill | if I can read what I've written then reading what you've written is easy | 23:42 |
| dneary_ | sivang, The docs for NumberAnimation, here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-numberanimation.html | 23:42 |
| dneary_ | mention two properties: from & to | 23:42 |
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| sivang | dneary_: I see and propety do not | 23:43 |
| sivang | bug in the qml docs genrator for most likely | 23:43 |
| dneary_ | sivang, You can see "inherits from..." and you have a link "list of all members, including inherited" | 23:43 |
| sivang | yep | 23:43 |
| dneary_ | But you don't see duration anywhere in the page | 23:43 |
| sivang | and from / to are not there | 23:43 |
| sivang | hmm no | 23:44 |
| dneary_ | hmm what? | 23:44 |
| sivang | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-numberanimation-members.html | 23:44 |
| sivang | dneary_: you need to follow the link | 23:45 |
| sivang | "inherited" | 23:45 |
| sivang | and tis there | 23:45 |
| sivang | click duration and it takes you back to the parent class | 23:45 |
| sivang | a bit odd, I agree | 23:45 |
| sivang | but more of a usabitliy bug I guess | 23:45 |
| dneary_ | Ah, yes, the properties are there | 23:45 |
| sivang | can you see it? | 23:45 |
| sivang | how do I descrive this.. | 23:45 |
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| dneary_ | So it's not a bug, so much as a suggestion to show how the documentation works :) | 23:46 |
| sivang | yes | 23:46 |
| sivang | usability enhacement | 23:46 |
| sivang | but it needs to be comunicated | 23:46 |
| sivang | and -sdk did not respond | 23:46 |
| sivang | or did I cc them? | 23:46 |
| dneary_ | Referring to the docs in the videos, and then using a property that you can't see from the docs, well, it's a small think, but I noticed it | 23:47 |
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| sivang | dneary_: if you noticed it, others would be confused at this. | 23:48 |
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